$433 280Ah LiFePO4 Cells Tested: Cheaper than lead acid!
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Updates:
These are new lishen 272Ah cells, not eve 280Ah. I used the barcode under the covers for verification. These cells were resleeved and had the same overpressure valve as the older eve cells, and same dimensions, and same capacity, so I figured they were Eve. But I was incorrect. Lishen are considered better than eve cells on the forum. And yes, lishun pull higher than rated capacity. 281Ah is not uncommon
The cells are now $433. I bought mine for $385 + shipping, and I used my receipt as a reference for this video.
The cells in the video have the same dimensions as eve cells, but the terminals do look different. The overpressure relief valve actually matches what is on the EVE cell data sheet: www.dcmax.com.tw/LF280(3.2V280Ah).pdf
And grade b usually just means scratched, but a lot of times they are used cells that are not matched (especially on aliexpress). And heavily degraded, mismatched IR.
I usually assume the worst.
New update 1/9/2021: Gasification is a term used in some lithium ion literature, but gas generation is a more proper term. Sorry about that.
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+ shipping at what cost? 😂
Just looked for UK delivery is £579 (4) or £1779 (16). Or am I doing something wrong. Perhaps these are USA seller?
Thanks for this! This cell form factor is insanely popular on the forums right now. The terminals look like the Lishen 272's. My EVE pressure reliefs are blue. We've seen some sellers market EVE but Lishen's are what's delivered. Lishen 272's have been testing quite well (over 272 I believe). I've got 4 on the way myself because my EVE's are NOT performing like your cells (I have 36 cells operating between 268 and 281 Ah, mostly in the mid 270's).
@@zjzozn Yeah seems like UK and Canada have insane shipping costs. Sorry about that :(
@@TisTheDestiny Good to know! I have read about those lishens. Such a bummer :(
And I bet the inverter cost more than the cells. Got a link for the inverter?
I love your Passion, Understanding & Explanation of every review you do. Thank you. I just ordered your book 📖 to learn all I can from you
It really makes me happy that you seem to be getting more “good” products lately! Sure sign that your efforts to make the industry better is showing some results!
Will, your videos have quickly become my most favorite of any on TH-cam. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks Will, I was waiting for someone trustworthy and knowledgeable to really test these out, much appreciated.
Thank you so much for teaching me about off grid power options. I have been watching and learning a great deal. Keep up the excellent content!
Dude. I was just going to build this. I looked you up first to see if you made one yet. Now I come back a day later and there it is. Great job kiddo. Keep up the good work.
i love all of your extremely well presented information and immaculate annunciation
I forgot to say this is awesome this is what I've been waiting for. I want to get two sets and make a 24v battery for my camperI've been watching your videos over and over trying to get a handle on this stuff thank you for all the information. You're very appreciated
what made you decide 24v over 12v?
@@crosscarlisle3077 I was going to ask that as well
I've been using mine for about 2 months now and have been very impressed with it's quality. Good to see that they hold up to a 1C discharge test.
It's good that Will has confirmed our both finding in testing these cells. I'm very happy with them and looking forward to finally connect my battery soon.
These cells are out for months i have seen it on a dozen channels, but they performed almost the same 260-270 , this is the first i see 280++ Nice job! Thank you!
Maybe they are onto Will's alliexpress account. I have read that depending on your testing equipment, results can be different for the same cells. I ordered assuming 260ah, we will see what I get (still in battery jail in LA). I think managing your expectations when ordering from alliexpress is important.
I love your enthusiasm and I've learned so much from you already! Keep making videos mate! Appreciate it!
Great details included in the video. Love all the detail shared. Surprised that the terminals were all fine for 300 amps. Great confidence test for us looking to build our battery from these. At least those with lots of paciance.
Hi Will, thanks for the great info. Super batteries! I suggest you get a thread gauge, cutting tap and some conductive grease. Yes drive the stud to the end, and a small torque wrench does not cost the world. 1/4' or 3/8' is all you need. Then torque test on gear you can sacrifice and note breaking point. Using a third of the breaking value to final torque with light conductive grease on everything current can flow. For a permanent installation use a marker for marking all you torqued. Then a quick spray of de-greasing spray followed by a burst of compressed air to dry. Finally a squirt of battery pole protector spray and the installation is going to last and last. Fitting access points where you can leave a meter that records the cut-off voltage is handy to see if a battery is going astray. If you really want to spoil yourself, a flir camera module to your phone would be the cream on the pie. Keep up the good work. Here in Australia they keep dumping panels by the truck load. If I could get batteries that cheap half of the town would no longer need the grid connection.
I just ordered these exact same cells X 3, 2 days ago for my sailboat. Feeling better now.
Finally! This is the review I was waiting for! These are game changing!
Wow! I just came across these cells yesterday while researching pricing and capacities and almost pulled the trigger on em lol. Somewhat regretting not doing it but medical bills and living expenses kinda overshadow a solar project I sorely want to do 😒. Will have to hope they're still around when I can get em or maybe a better deal down the road. Thanks for the vids!! I really love watching you enjoy your work and teaching us things we may not know
The way how things develop right now looks good for my electric sailboat projects in next few years. In year or two I should be able to upgrade my current boat to lithium much cheaper. And my big boat project will need massive battery within ~5 years. Looking forward to that.
Keep up the amazing job you’re doing!
A 22 foot Marshall Cat boat fell in my lap last summer, I removed the 1975 16hp diesel westerbeke and am going electric. My motor is 5hp with 48volt 270ah system. Looking for specs on solar and shore power charging. Thanks in advance. Thank you Will for sharing the elec-trickery.
@@PlantedwithIanCooke I’m not that familiar with lithium charging but what I know is:
You need mppt solar charge controller that can charge 48V. And to that you need a bunch of solar panels in series to raise the charging voltage high enough for that controller.
Challenge in sailboats is shading. In series configuration all the panels should be without any shade to work properly.
There could be combined solar and shore chargers available, but haven’t looked those yet...
@@ArcticSeaCamel I don't have a boat yet but I have dreams of snagging a much older cat, rewiring the whole damn thing and plugging in LEDs as well as going full electric. Wondering if it's possible to have a combination of solar panels and either a wind or 'water' turbine. I've heard you could potentially use your motor (assuming AC) to work as a generator while under sail. Salt dreams right now, though. Edit. I should add that I'm a newbie to electric AND boating :|
@@jonathanself1263 Hi. Yeah, it's definitely possible to use your motor as generator but there's a few but's.
- There's no any reasonable current coming in under 6 knots of speed
- That means, that regneration works properly only with reasonable big boats. My 27 footer isn't big and fast enough.
- There's some compromises to be made of the efficiency of propulsion and regeneration, the propeller shape and size is complex issue that I still know too little about.
Solar panels are getting better and better all the time. In catamaran there's often plenty of space to put reasonable big array of them.
You can check my channel for some info of doing electric conversion to my current boat. The plan for the 15 meter boat is to do fully electric propulsion but with backup generator for cold climates.
Also check Sailing Uma's experience of electric propulsion. They're using second hand Oceanvolt system currently. But they also tested a boat with two servoprops a while ago. Very interesting setup.
Cheers!
Make sure to pack a life boat in case it catches on fire. Wouldn't be a good time.
I've been waiting for you to do this video for quite a while! The 280ah cells have the softest aluminum at the terminals I think I've ever seen threads cut into.
I keep watching these videos to find the ultimate 4wd battery for fridge, lights, etc. Your high amperage rating videos are great and all, but i'm all about the constant load over period of times so I'm glad you cover both.
@Nick Sullivan Looking at this setup in his milk crate setup, how long do you think this would last powering a Dometic-type fridge? Would it be adequate to power diesel parking heater and occasional 1800 watt induction platter? I'd likely run off-road lights off traditional dual battery setup with isolator.
Just trying to get a ballpark estimate how long this would last off-grid before needing to recharge/if I could get away without needing solar panels out in the desert for about 5 days. Seems pretty capable.
Loved that review.. looking at building a 4x4 12v system and using 320ah cells similar to this.. with the Daly non fanned 250a common port option. This only confirmed with me that I am on the right path! Thank you .. awesome vid and also great commentary and notes re tooling and what not as well..
Now that it has passed the smoke test, and that they been Will tested.
They would probably do very well in my van, no where near that kind of load.
So if you need further testing in a light duty environment just send them my way.
Thanks Will
Another great video
Planning on getting some soon. But now I'll probably have to wait for stock now that you just convinced everyone to buy some.
I just got these same cells delivered last week. Can't wait to finish my build!
out of all the videos you do and all the stuff you have the only thing im jealous about is your amazing tape selection you have.
I've had these exact cells for over a year, I built a tight pine box case and wired them inside to terminals on the outside of the wooden case. Works great.
No ventilation or fans ?
@@seanmoon1444 There's a couple of small holes in the top lid but I dont think I really need them. They've never really gotten hot on me, I only use them in an RV.
@@NigelM18 I am also going to be making an RV offgrid solar setup. How many batteries do you recommend, and do you have any tips?
Great news that a great buy wasn't a rip-off this time. Thanks brother!
Thanks for the great review. I plan on getting 16 of these cells to build a 48v battery for my RV.
I love how passionate you are in these videos Will! You keep my attention throughout the entire video.
As I write this I am using my space heater in my RV boondocking using this exact setup. I went with 16 cells making 4 12V batteries going to common bus bar with 4 overkill solar BMS's with 18 inches of # 4 cable to a 3,000 watt siginer low frequency inverter. IT runs my ac, microwave, space heaters, compressors and any tool I have. Mine too tested at over capacity but top balancing is a must. Thank you will for a good vid on that. Got them through Amy at Xuba about $2,000 with BMS's I don't know why anyone would buy anything else. This is a edit to say that going with 12 volts was not my first choice. I was going to go with 2 24v batteries with 2 overkill solar 100 amp bms but since I have a 5th wheel didn't want to mess around with the trailer brake issues from the feed from my truck, the 12v for lights ect. would be easy with converter but didn't want deal with the truck brake signal issues, even so it works perfectly
Can you talk more about what you mean by "trailer brake issues from the feed from my truck" ?
Love that at the moments you think there may be a issue, you use the lean back to create a little more distance between you and any potential sparks, flash etc. But at least you wear safety goggles, whereas, how many people on TH-cam do you see using power tools, cutting, drilling, chipping etc. where debris can get in their eyes, with no signs of eye protection.
Yes! Very important to wear eye protection and stand a bit back. I read a safety paper on electric arcs and the various possibilities, and I was terrified. I burned my eye two years ago with some solder. It hurt so bad and took a week to heal. Never going without eye protection again.
Been waiting for this review! Ordered mine 3 weeks ago. Can't wait for them to get here.
Did the test out alright?
That trigger finger discipline with those heat guns was admirable! All jokes aside, really cool build, that battery holds some serious energy!
With these cells you have to be sure what system you wanna run in the end... I myself made the wrong decession with 12V and I want to run a 24V system in my trailer-project but I can't wait another month to get some new cells. :) I can imagine running this system in an average RV-system can be a very good thing in terms of cost-saving. thanks for the review Will!
I you have the 4 cells just make a 24v 140Ah pack??
What's the difference between 12v and 24v? What is better or worse about each one?
@@waynefilkins8394 you have less thicker cables (costs are less) and the strength of the electricity is less which is a bit more safe … I would also say that 24V LED strips (and LED in general) quality wise is much better than 12V-dependent Strips…so there are some advantages in dependency what you want in the end. 24V is also a Good way because you can of course always step down for some appliances
I gotta these cells grade a at around 525 per 4, running 8 in series with a 100 amp bms to the all in one hybrid inverter charger to the 100 amp 24 to 12 converter. Everything Aliexpress special! Cells not perfectly balanced, but I'm going from 90% soc to 15% dod. Lots of help from your videos! Thanks Will!
Hey if I’m understanding this right these are 3.2v 280amp cells so 90% of 8 of these cells would = about 6.45kWh and if you’re only going down to 15% would that mean you’re getting about 5.37kWh of useable power? I’m still new to this stuff so I am just trying to understand what the useable power is for cells like this. Am I right in thinking that 3.2v • 280amp • 8 cells = 7.17 total kWh? But this is the actual total of the pack and not the useable power correct?
@@Rickie53 that's exactly right - there's about 7.2 kwh in the pack and of that I choose to charge up to 90 and down to 10 or 15 for increased cycle life, utilizing around 80% of the overall capacity.
@@reishiramzi Awesome thanks! I am kicking around the idea of building out a smallish home off grid solar system for emergency back up firstly, just something to power the low demand stuff. I am thinking 16 of these batteries to get to 48v, an MPP solar 3kw 48v 110-120 inverter, and maybe about twelve 250w panels sounds nice. Does all that sounds good/compatible to you?
@@Rickie53 that sounds like an excellent setup!
@@reishiramzi Thanks I appreciate your input.
I am a three-time cancer survivor living on disability in my motorhome I thank you for all the help that you could give meI've been watching your videos I guess I need to watch him or I'm a self-taught solar power person by watching TH-cam
Thanks for the review/test. I ordered 4 of these cells a few weeks ago along with a 200A Daly BMS... probably won’t get them until mid February. If they work out, I’ll probably get more.
I love the videos where you’re just stoked it’s working haha
Awesome. I love you and your vids. This exactly is what I do: 4 battery cells, bms, inverter, and charger. I build this battery systems and give them away to poor families here in Venezuela. The power outages here lasts sometimes two to four days. If you ever wanna donate batteries, bms, or whatever to this families you can let me know. If you have anything laying around you don't use I'm sure I can scrap and use the batteries or any other parts for a good cause. Anyway. Keep up the good vids I am looking forward to your next one.
Just saying, if you do t know what to do with all those junk solar generators they send you after you review them ..... You can do a good deed. Hmu
Two to four days? I have never had uninterrupted supply for 24hours my whole damn life.
And I have seen 3 decades in this world already. 😆
@@leviahamefula3994 Venezuela is a mess. A little more than a year ago there was a country wide outage that lasted 8 days. I gave a couple of batteries to a nursing home. It turns out it saved a couple of lives because some medication like insulin needs to be refrigerated. Here things are hard sometimes.
@@leviahamefula3994 Come to newEngland in winter with ice storms brining down trees and power lines - 2 weeks with no power. Add freezing temps, if no wood stove, no water etc either..... Solar may help with good battery setup and a heat supply of wood or propane etc. Fun fun fun. Not!
@@leviahamefula3994 i have never had a poweroutage more more than 3h lol but that the netherland ps the 3 h power outage is the onlyone iv had in my live 🤘
Awesome! I just bought these cells before I saw this video. So great to hear they are that good!
I really enjoy watching your vids man! Keep up the good work!
sweet to see vid on 280s
Hey Will, I would love to see test how it preformed over time.
Great job as usual. Keep up the good reviews.
This is perfect, I ordered this same stuff back in December they cam in and only now I'm starting to build it. This is like a perfect cheat sheet
How do you like them?
@@allenj1996 it's built but I have yest to go a full test, my panels are coming in today, im hoping to have everything going by the weekend. The idea is not to need a generator while camping
When Will is sleepy and late night recording it really shows in his eyes..lol thanks for the dedication
That's cannabis.
hes high lol
This is exactly the video I wanted. I bought 40 of these cells for our off grid property last month. I ordered double bus bars to be super safe. I figured making busbars from copper bar would get old fast for that many cells. Cover the terminal areas in dialectric grease to keep o2 out to prevent galvanic corrosion between the aluminum terminals and your copper or stainless bars.
Guessing you are using 12 volts for your system, but something with a bit higher voltage would be easier from the amps side of things. If you have the stuff for 12 already, I understand though as buying the inverter and charge controller adds up quickly.
@@gojeffgordon24 48 volt/ 12kw system. 32 cells for property, with two 12 volt batteries for the RV. Higher volts for the property = less amps = smaller wire and longer runs. 12v for the RV is required for the lights, propane fridge board, water pump, and propane water heater board. If all goes well I will swap them in for the car batteries for the solar gate motors, but it gets cold in the boxes out at the gates. Maybe if I bury them they will get 50 degree geothermal heat 2 ft down. I was thinking use a 55 gallon plastic barrel for clean, dry, deep storage.
Oh, the 40 of them is what threw me off on guessing that voltage. Thought you might be doing 10 in parallel for a huge 12v system. Hoping to do a 48v system too in the near future for home backup.
@Jerome Eberharter I got two.daly 16s. I need to research relays for the Chargery, but its the only reasonably priced 16s 48v BMS. But it needs a continous duty relay or solid state relay or something so it doesn't get too hot. Watch Will's video 2 on the chargery. Last I looked electro dacus doesn't do 16s 48v. Batrium costs too much.
Its $400-ish for a Chargery two DCCs for sperate port and shipping to do 16s. Can't really do 32s bc the two 16s won't communicate. So Batrium is the best option for a little more, esp for 32s. Or use a cheaper relay w chargery
I saw another TH-cam video about these and the cost so ordered straight away along with a 150a Daly BMS for use in my Landcruiser 200, designed a battery box and they work a treat. Only dropped down to 6% and uses 262ah via the VictronConnect 712 smart at constant 47amp pond pump. Great for the price.
These are the ones I got! Thanks for the Ali E link Will! I followed it for purchasing and I absolutely love these cells they're performing very well. They keep in balance nicely voltage diff of 8 to 3 mili-amps with normal usage 20 to 80% capacity. Cheers and sunny days brother 🌞
If you get a thread cutting die you can run it onto a stud with slightly damaged threads with very little force and then you can spin the nuts on with your fingers. This process is called chasing the threads, and if you're working with a supplier of high quality tools, they will actually have a type of die called a thread chasing die, like Grainger or McMaster- Care. But you can probably get away with one from Ace Hardware. Lowe's, not sure what's near you. You can also get thread gauges to measure the size of the stud and the number of threads per inch. You can usually figure this out backwards by taking a nut to the hardware store and asking a for help trying to measure the bolt size and threads. So, that used to be easy in ASE, ( coarse threads), NF ( fine cut threads are stronger). Now from overseas you most likely have Metric,and they can be tricky to match, but getting the right tools may prevent you from breaking off a battery stud. Cost of this would be less than $25, something worthwhile to add to your skill set. Happy New Year, one and all. 👍🔨👍
There are 3 types of thread taps, Taper, Intermediate and Plug, best one the finish a short blind thread is a Plug tap
Its called a "tap" to cut threads on the inside, like a nut and "die" for threads on the outside, like a bolt. Just incase someone got confused.
I was glad to read this as I was thinking the same thing. If the stud size is standardized for Lishen and Eve perhaps someone on here that has already done this exercise can post the stud and thread size (like you I am assuming it is metric) and also possibly the depth. Will advised switching to studs instead of the provided bolts but he did not mention the sizes to use. Here finding metric threaded rod is a challenge so I may have to go to long bolts and cut them down.
An old-school thread file works best for me. It's got eight different thread sizes in one tool, so it also doubles as a thread gauge!
Agreed, but not many people have tools let alone thread and die kit. Great looking out, it's how newbies learn. Yep I have tools galore. i Like, OLE!
One of the Best instructors I’ve seen, you got my vote, for a Secretary of Energy Position.
Thankyou buddy we are learning heaps
I placed an order to the US. Got them for $399 per 4 pack. Got 2 sets for a 24v setup and see how they work. Will be my first battery bank I build myself. Had some experience with used BYD, but wasn’t happy with their performance. Good thing they were cheap. Thanks Will for your info, it’s very helpful.
How did the batteries work out for you? Would you buy them again today?
Same question as barkingspider, how did the build turnout?
Build worked out fine for me. I have them in a heavy duty plastic box with some advantech subflooring plywood I had leftover just to give some extra support. I put 8 batteries sandwiched together terminals staggered and made 2 24v packs with a thin pvc separator sheets I found on Amazon. Got it tied to a 150A DC breaker and 150A class T fuse and a overkill solar 100A 48v bms. It was time consuming to build and make it work for me in my cabin setup and look neat. I also have this tied to 3 EG4 batteries all in parallel. The EG4 was easier, just plug an play, but for about $2000 and my time I build a battery that is about equal to the $4500 I spent from Signature Solar. I would build again, but I wish there were more options for a prefabricated cabinet that wasn’t so expensive or would take forever to get here from overseas.
Build worked out fine for me. I have them in a heavy duty plastic box with some advantech subflooring plywood I had leftover just to give some extra support. I put 8 batteries sandwiched together terminals staggered and made 2 24v packs with a thin pvc separator sheets I found on Amazon. Got it tied to a 150A DC breaker and 150A class T fuse and a overkill solar 100A 48v bms. It was time consuming to build and make it work for me in my cabin setup and look neat. I also have this tied to 3 EG4 batteries all in parallel. The EG4 was easier, just plug an play, but for about $2000 and my time I build a battery that is about equal to the $4500 I spent from Signature Solar. I would build again, but I wish there were more options for a prefabricated cabinet that wasn’t so expensive or would take forever to get here from overseas.
@@jimmyg6215 thanks for the reply 😊👍
Good to see this cells are as advertised as I usually recommend this cells as they seem the best value at the moment. There are some other similar one 272Ah that have rectangular terminals and they have welded aluminium brackets that have build-in studs tho I think those are a bit more expensive it may be a good choice for those with heavier hands :)
Oh good idea! I need to find some of those!
@electrodacus can you tell us for the TH time how the sbms0 will work with this setup?
@@thomasnyanfore8424 yea I know right. I have an SBMS0 sitting here doing nothing and am running this exact setup to the T. Same voltage meter and everything lol. I have no idea how to get that SBMS0 hooked up. Can't even get the shunts to show the correct values on the screen. I want to use it so bad ugh!
Thanks Will, my order is on it's way!
Your workshop must have some really good fire suppression. Love your vids
As always well done, two unrelated questions
You recently changed from MPP to Growatt, better? Or just a change?
Would you be interested in doing a review of seplos technology 48v battery kits I have not found any reviews except what comes from the manufacture, it would be great to learn your opinion
Thank you for your work on our behalf
Rick
Hi will, maybe you have seen on your forum, i have 112 of these cells in a 48v 100 kWh powerwall, and it is a beast! They work great!
That's so cool! Yeah I think I did see your set up. Very nice!
@@WillProwse
I doubled up the busbars by the way.
That being said, i have to mention the cells don't get the promised charge c rate. With 7 banks in parallel, i can max charge them at 9000 watts or so, or a a few cell voltages rise too quick and trigger the bms. (Batrium)
That's great!. Exactly what I am planning to do next for 20kW Sandi 400Volts inverter with Orion BMS. Only 112 of them in series. I think that Batrium and Orion are close in performance. So far, I ordered 16 of 280ah 3 weeks ago from Shanzen Basen. This will be for a 6kW split phase low frequency Sun Gold Power inverter, and Orion Junior 2 BMS.
Thakns Will for posting this video. I was told that I paid for grade A cells. Your capacity test is what I wanted to see. I spent $1725 for 16 of them with shipping and credit card fees.
@@jochensnauwaert6875 What type of busbars did you use? That's shipped with the cells or self made ?
@@mrzed6597 the ones that got shipped
I think this is what I need for 72v ev. great video. I have been on a budget, so this is it.
Thank you for testing these EVE LF280 cells. That reflects $148.00 per 100AH 'battery' at the store. I think the flooded golf cart batteries are cheaper, but- it's close!!! 3,500 full cycles- you bet I'll 'adjust' to the crappy M6 terminals to get that much safe, usable power. I'll prolly make (2) of them, for a total weight of just under 100Lbs. I'm pretty confident that they will fit in the space allotted for batteries in my truck camper even!!! Thankfully, there are a bunch of other reviewers: Off-grid Garage, LithiumSolar, Freely Roaming- all with excellent insights too.
These cells brand new are phenomenal. Best possible cells for stationary applications. They are absolute tanks. In a 16s setup they will soak up all the solar you can throw at them.
What would be the problem for RV or Marine. use where there is vibration and movement?
@@sailpac For high g applications (vehicles, boats) I've read it's best to use
@@vaguedirector_7342 - Wow, really(?) Hmm... so nothing over 100Ah in my class C RV...(?)...bummer :(
@@sailpac You can use it in RV/Marine too. Only need to compress the cells. Many use it in a tight box, or 2x2 rods and 2 plates holding them strongly together. Only one thing you must remember: 16 of these is more than 80kg. So you need a strong not bending base/platform/box that you can put them.
@@sailpac The terminals are not very robust. You could use them if the pack was built properly but even a small amount of stress on the terminals would cause them to fail quickly.
Hello Will.
Great review.
Maby consider to use a good quality internal resistance meter and termal camera, to observe temperature behavior of components and electric joints while performing tests.
Best regards.
Seeing the temp perspective from an infrared camera would be pretty cool!
Voltage drop against internal resistance is heat P = RI² so just a multimeter and big 1C load is cheap and reliable method.
I finished building my 24v battery bank with 280 ah cells. It's so powerful. I'm using it for my UPS unruptible power supply and also have it hooked up to 4 solar panels and I'm using a mppt solar charge controller.
Gosh, that was fun! Thx Will, keep it up 😁
Hey Will, great video and very impressive results! I would make one suggestion though for future consideration. Hook the negative battery cable up to the inverter FIRST instead of the positive. It doesn’t matter on an isolated system like what you show, but out in the wild (like in an RV) with lots of other systems involved, hooking up negative last can and will cause a lot of damage. As somebody who works on RV electrical for a living, I have seen a lot of equipment burned up because somebody unhooked negative on a battery and left positive hooked up. This causes a “wild” power scenario. Car manufacturers say to unhook negative first only because they assume you will strike your wrench on the car frame when unhooking the battery so if you unhook negative first, it won’t spark. Sorry to be long winded, just wanted to pass along a tip from my experiences and years in the industry.
Thanks, bro, I'm still new in this field, im appreciate your effort to teach us even in the comment section.
TH-cam has changed Will so much in just a couple of years. Back in the day, no safety glasses, no spark capacitors, cheap wire crimping tools, outbursts of excitement and disappointment. Now days he’s so “proper”. I get a good laugh watching his older videos.
😂😂😂
Great video as always Will!
I've learned so much from your stuff, TY
first seconds with the bms " what did he try to do with a grphics card" :-)
When I first saw it I asked myself "Is that an AGP card?
Lmao same 🤣🤣🤣
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Will Suggestion:
If the cells connection threads are damaged use a tap to chase the thread.
(Obviously we know you're using the correct bolt to connect to the cell)
Mack Fisher The terminals are not deep enough for a tap, it will bottom out before the full threads reach the damaged area.
@@acmeopinionfactory8018 he could get a thread chasing kit, they don’t cut new threads. Or he could invest in a bottoming tap set.
@@acmeopinionfactory8018 That's why you use a bottoming tap......
Does anyone know the stud or bolt size so I can have it on hand?
@@sailpac M6
Will this video is bad ass. Except for your taping job of the bms lol I love that the bms has active cooling. Massive amounts of power! Love it
Great review. Hope the cycle life is good too.
7:47 Oh no! Phone down! Phone down!
7:57 Ummm, well that worked out well.
I am gobsmacked that those busbars held up so well...i thought at those amperages they would get really hot.
Right?! There were only warm, and I could leave my hand on them the whole time. I can't believe it.
@@WillProwse Too bad you did not measure the voltage drop on them. Probably 20mV?
That would be 5W, probably would feel that when touching them.
Excellent video and as always - NO animals were harmed in its making
Nice! Been looking at these cells as well!🤘
just ordered my 4 cells 2 weeks ago... only 6 more weeks to go! lol
if all goes well im getting 4 more for an 8s setup for my rv!
How did it come out?
Will, in the automotive industry, I found that the best corrosion prevention was had by using never-seize or anti-seize. Of course, we're talking lead acid, but the fact remains that it's conductive and creates a barrier for corrosion. What I'm curios about is that I never tried checking voltage drop across a connection, and wondered if you might entertain the idea of checking a voltage drop dry and one with a copper (or silver, either one, or even both) anti-seize applied to the contact area. IF you happen to do the threads as well, BEWARE that your toque value will decrease compared to clamping force and you can strip the threads much more easily than dry threads! Nobody talks about terminal/connection corrosion, but I would think that it becomes an issue over time, especially with dissimilar metals.
Exactly what I am researching right now. Alu terminal and copper busbar or ring terminal. The best I found is CUPAL washer. One side alu other side copper, melted together.
As long as they are kept dry dissimilar metals should not be a problem.
I've got 8 on order that should be here in a week or two. I am using the Electrodocus BMS with the DSSR0. Thanks for the video. Feeling good about the purchase.
Great vids bro just found ur channel very knowledgeable stuff 👍.
I have 4 105ah cells on the way from a supplier on Alibaba, 364$ us shipped to Canada. They've told me in writing that they are brand new, Grade A EVE cells. The shipping cost to Canada for cells on Aliexpress is crazy town. Guess we'll see how it all works out, I have some torture testing planned if they ever show up.
I spent $3100 Canadian on 16 of the 280 ah batteries but that was with shipping included. A lot cheaper than the Tesla powerwall with more capacity.
That are not grade A, they are brand new grade B cells.
I've purchased 16 202 amps cells from Alibaba. Shipping cost is 300$US to Montreal, Canada. Total cost 1317$US. Price looked ok with 62$ per cell.
Man I wish I was into DIY stuff and....needed this much power....and wanted to spend money on it. haha. At some point in the VERY FAR off future, I would like to look into transfer switches or one of those all in one dips. I cant keep up with this stuff. Im just a portable power station and panel kind a guy.
Had my eye on a 100ah set for a week or so. About 200 euro's and free shipping. They seem to perform perfectly in your video. Order on its way!
i like your vids. finally some good batteries. i just bought 2 packs of then right now.
"We have 3000 watts of HEATGUN POWER!!!!" Late at night, I can tell you were tired, but that line deserved the full treatment! All kidding aside, this is excellent. They seem to be very cheap cells for what you get.
Super ! ! ! . . .
Thanks a lot for the video ! Wonderful review.
The video I have been waiting for!!!
Wow, cells are nearing $100 per KWH. Why isn't anyone building "Powerwall" devices that don't back feed power to the grid? I can get a dozen of these cells and hybrid charger/inverter to absorb solar during the day and it'll power the whole house without backfeeding the grid.
They are it's called off grid. 0.0 XP
That's my plan for the future
“That’s dangerous “. Lol. Will ought to take his show on the road.
127A charge makes me very nervous. I'm a low voltage/low current kinda guy...lol
Good stuff, Thanks Will!
If you want to make studs, buy Allen head set screws. They work great and you don’t have to worry about screwing up or redressing the starter thread. Excellent video. And looks like a great battery cell for the money.
It’s bout time everyone is doing crap versions of this with these 280 ah cells 👍think I will be getting some this spring
Sounds like you'd have to order now just to get them this spring....
been looking at these for two weeks,should've ordered before your review, probably be half as much again or unavailable
@chris - So true, soon as Will does a review & the results are good... prices shoot up & everything's o.o.s. :(
Right!! Same here... Now I'm worried they will go up in price or completely run out... Crap!
Does anyone else not know anything he is talking about but just comes for his beauty, enthusiasm, knowledge and great energy? Asking for a friend...
Nice one dude! I’ve just ordered a set of these cells to play with. 😀
So, I'm thinking about buying 4 of these packs and wiring them in series for a 48v system in my skoolie. Is that advisable with these?
That would be an incredible system!!
@@WillProwse why you are buying from Aliexpress, where you can buy them from Alibaba for 78$ per pcs
6:17 The moment I fully realized I am a light weight...
Another of your great videos. I was hoping you'd critique those 280 Ah cheapies.
I bought the 24v 500Amp Daly for my Bus Build. I expect a draw of 200amps max on a 4.5kw inverter maxxed out so I decided to use the headroom for safety. Seeing your 250 amp handle 290 amps was impressive though!