Searching for Disney's Dragons
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Dragons are arguably the most well-known mythical creature in the west. If you've seen my video The History of Disney and Dinosaurs, you can think of this video almost as a companion piece because it's going to relate quite a bit back to the other one, so I do suggest watching that first if you haven't. The idea for this video isn't mine, but instead came from another TH-cam user who suggested that I do the history of Disney and Dragons and coincide the release with the Chinese New Year for 2021. It's not something I thought there would be enough content for at first, but as I've done a bit of research, I think there's some interesting things to talk about. I've come to the conclusion that Disney and its history with dragons is actually one of disappointment and quite a bit of lost entertainment potential. As for the person who suggested the idea for dragons, unfortunately, it seems that they deleted their comment for whatever reason, and I can't credit you because I don't have your username. That being said though, thank you for the suggestion, and I hope everyone enjoys the video. This wouldn't have happened without you.
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Dragons are so fascinating and cool. Disney, honestly, has not done a really good job.
Agreed. Beastly Kingdom was definitely a huge missed opportunity in this regard. It's definitely something I would still really like to see.
Dragons could be either ferocious enemy or powerful allies, depending on the viewer.
Indeed!
I must admit, Mushu, Maleficent, Elliot and Figment are my favorite Disney dragons.
Indeed!
You didn't even MENTION Maleficent's dragon form in Fantasmic! While in WDW it's this sad carpet head on a stick, at Disneyland it's a 45 foot, 5 ton animatronic that breaths fire!
I somehow completely forgot about that. Granted, I've never seen Fantasmic! at Disneyland and it's been 15 years since I've seen it at the Studios.
I saw that yesterday from the haunted mansion ride. It was a spectacle!
I’m so happy I stumbled upon your channel!! Your commentary is so interesting and your topics have all been so neat so far:)
Hey thanks, I'm glad that you enjoy!
Probably could've waited until after the release of Raya and the Last Dragon because that is the second film where Disney depicted Chinese, or rather, Eastern dragons, much more accurately than Mushu may I add. There's also the film Onward from Pixar as well, but that's barely worth mentioning for obvious reasons. Also, I'm suprised you didn't even bring up American Dragon: Jack Long.
I want some Chinese Dragons appearing in the China Pavillion of Epcot’s World Showcase and the Asia section of Disney’s Animal Kingdom in a Far-Eastern sub-area with Chinese Dragons! 🐉
I agree with World Showcase, but I'm a bit iffy on Animal Kingdom. As much as I want to see a dragon themed attraction there, the Asia section of the park already blends Indian and Nepalese culture together. While there are certainly Indian depictions of east Asian dragons, it might get a little culturally crowded over there. I did a video on Joe Rohde and Animal Kingdom recently where I talk a bit about how these are blended: th-cam.com/video/bjfmDRveUa8/w-d-xo.html
@@PoseidonEntertainmentA Chinese Dragon roller coaster for the China pavilion of Epcot’s World Showcase would make an awesome addition!
@@carminecdinoproductions Indeed, something like that would be cool. The current theater is fine, but it's a pavilion that under-delivers in quite a few ways.
@@carminecdinoproductions Agreed. I don't have any issue with putting thrill rides in Epcot as long as they pertain to the original edutainment aspect of things.
Doesn't like original "Pete's Dragon" = Has no soul.
The original is superior Ngl lol
Happy Chinese New Year! Dragons seem to be pretty interesting for Chinese New Year! I’m more of sucker for Eastern Dragons like Chinese Dragons as well as the Chinese Zodiac!
I feel bad that you didn't get a lot out of The Reluctant Dragon. The story behind the film is fascinating. The Disney animators were on the infamous strike that split the studio culture. This movie still had to be made to look like everyone was a big happy family. We get some really neat looks at Disney legends before they became famous in their own right including Clarance Nash doing his Donald voice. We see new animation of Bambi and Casey Jr before audiences were familiar with those characters. The biggest effect this film had was the Baby Weems segment. Disney was THE FIRST studio to use storyboards, something used in every movie in Hollywood today. Audiences at the time were foreign to the concept. Having a partially animation storyboard piece was quite a novelty and something we haven't seen from Disney since. The actual short, The Reluctant Dragon, is well done, and true to book that inspired it, but it's actually the least interesting aspect of the movie. The good stuff comes from the studio tour and Benchley's interactions with Walt.
It’s ashamed we never got the chance to see Beastly Kingdom, I was hoping to see it in action as a dragon fan myself
You forgot the defunct dragon in Cinderella Castle in Japan and you forgot to say the dragon in Dinseyland Paris in not a Disney dragon but the legendary dragon in Merlin myths. It's for that you can enter into the dragon cave below the castle throw the Merlin shop. Many thanks for that video !
I think a video on Disney’s relationship with animals would be a great idea for a video, but It would probably be over two hours long lol.
I think dividing the subject of animals into different video like one video on domesticated animals and another video on wild animals could work.
Yeah could be interesting. Delving into Disney's early nature "documentaries" is getting into dicey territory though.
@@PoseidonEntertainment Yeah, especially that infamous lemming documentary.
You are very underrated channel, your video on the history of Disney and dinosaurs is very interesting. Keep up the good work!
Hey thanks, I'm glad that you enjoy!
Audio problems. But good video.
Thank you, but where are you encountering audio problems? I've watched through both the TH-cam upload and my video file and I don't detect anything out of the ordinary.
I had audio issues as well. At 5:00 The narration shifted to one ear while the music was in the other
It goes back to normal at 7:30
Also 9:22 to 13:20
Very odd. I encountered audio issues when I pulled up the video on my Roku TV and I got the same thing. However with normal headphones on my PCs, I've not encountered that. I'm not sure how that problem has occurred or how to fix it. My other videos don't have this issue as far as I can tell either.
I still enjoy the 2016 live-action remake of Pete's Dragon.
Ay, maybe I should go check it out then. I couldn't get through the first film.
@@PoseidonEntertainment The first film was made at a time after Walt's passing when thr studio was trying to play it safe, not too expensive, and release the kind of films they thought audiences would expect out of The common definition of "a kids' Disney movie." Pete's Dragon is what it is because of the environment it was created in. It's definitely an acquired taste for some.
I love your channel man! So unique and professional with different interesting topics! I’ve got the art of Disney Dragons book which is a fantastic art book, featuring concept art solely about Disney Dragons. It includes all sorts of cancelled concepts like the Jabbawocky from Alice in Wonderland and even things you’d not think about like Genie when he turns into a dragon and some of the murals featured around the parks. Think it was made to coincide with the live action Pete’s Dragon (which is a movie I’d give a chance, while I’ve not watched it since, I remember really enjoying it and this is coming from someone that hates the majority of their recent live action remakes) as there is some pages featuring that movie and other live action dragons like the one in Enchanted. Anyway, keep up the good work, I’d love to see something like the history of Disney and robots, a lot of look at there, maybe even too much!🤣
I loved Enchanted but felt the Climax Dragon was poorly done, to me it diminished what was a near perfect Disney Film.
I'll definitely have to check that out, I'm interested in collecting Disney books that showcase art. Same with the remake of Pete's Dragon. I couldn't stand the initial one, but I'll give the new one a fair chance.
To be honest, I'm not a fan of this video because I feel it doesn't have much of a cohesive concept, but I thought I would tackle the subject anyways because of the initial suggestion. As for robots though, I think that's an idea that could make for a much more interesting video. I can think of quite a bit to talk about there, especially with early Epcot. I'll definitely keep your idea in mind ( and please leave your comment up so I can credit you when the time comes lol). That being said, I'm going to be extremely busy over the next few weeks and that's a more ambitious project, so the videos for the next few weeks should be a bit lighter on content. I definitely really like your idea though, so thanks for the suggestion!
@@PoseidonEntertainment Yeah Robots would be hugeeeee job, animatronics as a whole are technically robots so that just opens a whole can of worms🤣 But when talking about characters who are robots there is still a lot to cover.
This channel is so goddamn underrated and I'm very glad it showed up in my recommended!
Thanks, I'm glad that you enjoy!
I liked THE RELUCTANT DRAGON as a kid, but HOO BOY, did it age POOOOORLY.
That being said, the original PETE'S DRAGON is a classic (although it, too, aged poorly, though not nearly as badly as other films in the Disney catalog). Candle on the Water is a beautiful song, full stop, and never fails to make me smile wistfully.
I don't care for Pete's Dragon, but there's also something nostalgic about walking through the Magic Kingdom parking lot at the end of a night and hearing "I Love You Too" playing from the Electrical Water Pageant in the distance.
i wish we got beastly kingdom instead of pandora :/
The park still has room for it if a new creative CEO comes along. I can see the theater where the Finding Nemo musical resides being torn down and a little mini-land put into its place. Just Dragon Tower itself could exist in its own little area.
@@PoseidonEntertainment i just feel like after pandora they wouldnt even think about building beastly kingdom anymore
For this video would be in honor of the 2021 Walt Disney animated film "Raya and the Last Dragon"
That somehow slipped my mind
The dragons that were featured in the film were inspired by "Nagas" a magical serpent in Asian mythology.
It's not just disney film their are dragons in Disney series.
For example there was the Disney channel serie "American Dragon: Jake Long", and the Disney XD serie "Penn Zero: Part-Time Hero" in S1E15 "Where Dragon Dare" & S2E2 "Alpha Bravo Unicorn".
Hopefully these series are on Disney +.
Great Video man. I know this is a comment on a 3-year-old video, but I'm new to the channel, so I wanted to give my thoughts.
As a fan of animatronics and robotics, especially of giant creatures, the losing of Dragon Tower and Beastly kingdom really hurts me. The idea of a gigantic animatronic dragon attacking guests is something I still want to see today, especially at Animal Kingdom since a) I love that park and b) it would give all the dragon imagery in the park actual meaning. I've had my own ideas on how to incorporate it into the park, the obvious being, as you mentioned, building the Dragon Tower Roller Coaster, but I also had some other ideas as well.
- The more conventional of the 2 is a Beastly Kingdom themed Dark Ride. Since Pandora has basically made it so that it’s impossible to ever see the full land built, having many of the ideas presented in the pitch incorporated into a single Dark Ride I think would be a fine compromise. Have the guests interact with animatronic figures of various mythological creatures such as Unicorns, Centaurs, and the finale being an encounter with a large Dragon animatronic. If they want something more thrilling, maybe a slot car attraction similar to Test Track, Journey to the Center of the Earth or Radiator Springs Racers, starting with slower dark ride scenes and ending in a high-speed escape from the Dragon.
- The more out there idea is this.......Put a Dragon themed thrill attraction such as a roller coaster in Dinoland USA (which I know is on the chopping block but this is for the sake of an example). I know this is a massive stretch but hear me out.
In your Disney’s History with Dinosaurs video and in this one, you mentioned how the discovery of Dinosaur Bones before modern science was a theory into how the myths of Dragons came to be. Why not play with that? Have an attraction where guests learn about how Mythology and Paleontology are related through a side show attraction presented by Chester and Hester and several Dino Institute employees. Things go south however when several of the Dinoland institute employees begin theorizing what a real dragon could actually be like, and use the scientific equipment and bones they have to reconstruct what a biologically accurate dragon could look like….only for them to accidentally create a real dragon. It goes on a rampage and they enlist the help of the guests to track down and capture the angry creature before it causes more mayhem. I know this is more sci-fi than Mythological, might not fit with Dinoland at all, and would be scarily close to Jurassic Park, but at the very least it’s a fun idea to think about.
In the end though, I just want to have a truly great giant animatronic classical Dragon in Animal Kingdom, and there is so much potential there that Disney will never go into. Hell, even just a walk through attraction similar to Disneyland Paris would make me happy, even if it might be underwhelming.
I would love for beastly Kingdom to become a real thing but it probably never will unless it's attached to an IP
Damn it seems some of the video was muted due to copyright, and recently too if the commnts are anything to go by...shame but ill live
Your videos are cool but pls fix The audio😅
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What about the dragon on Mr. Toad's Wilde Ride?!
The idea of dragons comes way before dinosaur bones
9:12-9:17 The same can not be said about him in Mulan II.
Heya, I was the one who suggested you do this history.
Enchanted too
Good point. There were definitely some things that I missed.
What’s Euopean?
You missed the Live action Film from 1981 Dragon Slayer that really does not feel like a movie disney would of made at the time. keep up the good work making videos.
When I was kid, there was a guy at the Epcot China pavilion who made beautiful candy dragons on a stick. I was fascinated watching him work. My dad bought me one. It’s a great memory. Thank you.
Did you mention Mushu? Fantastic dragon character but clearly not in the traditional depiction
Yes, at 7:27 for the segment on Chinese dragons
I found *Sleeping Beauty* snoozy. Never a fan, save climax.
Dragon Up! Jake Long was my fave back in the day.
Man I remember when I was a kid I was OBSESSED with dragons so I was desperate for any Disney dragon pins and merchandise. My teacher actually got me the reluctant dragon which was meh. I was so amazed when I saw the dragon animatronic in Disney Paris it was beautiful. I convinced myself I liked figment cause he was the only dragon I could usually find.
I do think the original iteration of Figment was great because he represented something more than the annoying nuisance that he is now.
@@PoseidonEntertainment yeah plus his design is pretty cute. It’s just his voice and attitude in the latest iterations.
Love this channel!
well, there's now Sisu and she's a Chinese dragon and she looks mixed with a Kirin