Awesome video! As someone who loves to use preamp pedals straight into my audio interface, the next logical step would be a video explaining how to make a Cab IR with a power amp's sonic characteristics. I recently started doing that , but not with real power amps, just with the power section of some of the Brainworx amp plugins, like the VH4. I run a short burst of pink noise through the plugin activating only the power section and bounce that. I then load it into an IR loader where you can have IRs in series, like the MixIR3 from RedWirez, put a regular IR after it and export that into a new IR file! Other plugins that have separate Power amp sections are the Mercuriall plugins, which sound amazing - and actually have a good Cab sim! There's also the TPA1 power amp plugin from Ignite Amps! One of the only IR companies that i know that makes IRs with tube power amp signals baked into them are Kalthallen. They make REALLY beefy IRs and they sound incredible
I've completely given up on finding band members, so this is basically how I intend to move forward in creating my own music. I very much appreciate all your videos, man!
@@jacobhenderson1763, it's extremely hard to find people to mesh with, these days. Egos, differences in attitudes, differences in creativity, etc. I live in Louisville, and there are plenty of musicians, here. Getting enough people together that agree on a creative direction is insanely difficult, though. Lol
First time I ever tried to record to a DAW by myself, back in 2005 I think, someone had given me a copy of Sonar to mess with and I definitely plugged my Metal Zone directly into the 1/8 mic input on my computer's sound card. Good times.
@@mylogify You need a DI box if your space is polluted by electro smog, but using a pedal as a preamp, you'd only need a good interface with LOW LATENCY. You can't reamp a signal recorded with distortion thou, but in this case you don't need an amp plugin anyway
2:36 Hard to believe the sound is created without a real amp. I just ordered a regular MT-2 hope it pairs well with my marshall SL-5 and Gibson LP standard
Why not use a free poweramp sim as well? Like the ignite TPA-1, or free clean channel from Ignite as well. Peeps should try that as well with the pedals, if they find them lacking in some aspect that is.
sure thing you would want that! Just remember that some if not most impulses are made through a power amp already. But that's the beauty of life right there, there are no rules.
@@OlaEnglund True that, the only rule should be your own taste. The poweramps in IRs are often so transparent that adding in a poweramp before them that does add color to the sound a bit does help some pedals though. And for example the Be-Od IMO sound way better through clean channels that direct (a good clean clean-channel that is). great video btw!
Recording an impulse response through a power amp does not reproduce the whole effect of the power amp. An impulse response is a very fancy EQ filter. The famous desirable effect of a power amp is more like compression than EQ. Impulse responses can't capture the compression effects produced by the power amp. It's still worth trying a power amp sim or any gentle tube saturation plugin before the impulse response. In the context of metal rhythm guitars, the compression is less likely to be desirable, but it's great for anything that needs a little more squish, like a spiky lead guitar.
Agreed! I discovered that running the distortion/overdrive pedals into the TPA-1 on EL34 mode and setting the volume on the front panel of the plugin to the edge breaking up really adds a lot. AND ITS FREE!
I have a few amps in my apartment and my go-to is always just my pedals into my power amp. You'd be surprised how good a lot of distortions sound as a preamp
It really shines as a preamp and sounds awful as a distortion pedal. Same with Metal Zone, the EQ is just more suited to hit a power amp rather than most amp inputs.
The revv pedal sounded really nice. This is how I record my guitar as well basically. Been playing through an Orange combo and ts9 overdrive through an ir for about a year now.
I love my metal zone! I've used it for years and it's never failed me. I'm a sludge player and it brings a wide variety of beef! Lean.. ground.. and chunk!!
I'm using a Victory V4 The Kraken for this stuff and it's great. You can get at least Nadir from Ignite for free, it can load 2 IRs at a time. For a little more powerful IR loader Ugritone TrveCab is like 5€ at the moment and it can load up to 8 IRs at the same time, so you can blend IRs for different cabs, mics and mic placements.
Hi Ola, did you know that you can load IR's into the space designer in Logic Pro X? I tried it with a free IR from Celestion. It sounds great! Your channel is wonderful. A carnival of edutainment!
You have a great weekend too, Ola and family! This a great vid. So many wonderful options. People don't have to wait for big ass awesome amps... they can START RIGHT NOW!
@@jorgeguitar2540 yeah it’s legit. Distortion pedals are pretty much just preamps, and using multiple pedals like an hm-2 into an mt-2 (with the mt-2’s gain set pretty low to act like a crunch channel, or even turned up some) , or even a tube screamer into an mt-2 with the gain turned up a bit you’ll get good results. Use noise suppression though just like you would with a real amp.
That's what i do for years. I was thinking about buying a Neural DSP plugin, but the tube preamp I use sounds way better and more real. Would be interesting how an old Marshall JMP-1 and/or similar would fair against a new trendy ampsim.
it's a method I often make use of often but simply use a few Two Notes C.A.B. boxes and a few of the dinky yet great Mooer RADAR boxes which take care of the mic'd speaker cab impulse response real-time convolving as well as both featuring power amp modelling which is very useful for turning practically any distortion or other gain-based pedal into a preamp, The Revv G3 is an ideal pedal in the role of a preamp as it nails tight yet crushing modern high-gain sounds with ease as that is what it was built to do. I have a loop switcher with various distortion pedals which get rotated often but the REVV G3 has always stayed, currently have an AmpTweaker TightMetal Pro, Line 6 Uber Metal, Digitech Hardwire TL-2, EHX Nano Metal Muff as its a newish toy, Victory VH4 the Kraken preamp pedal, a DOD Grunge distortion which I get a nice grindcore-suitable high-gain sound from that old beast (the original though, the Digitech variant doesn't sound/feel the same), a Bogner Extasy red channel pedal as well as an EHX IC Big Muff, Boss FZ-2 Hyper Fuzz along with a second Line 6 Uber Metal which feeds into a long discontinued MXR "Hendrix Fuzz System" which isn't used for the fuzz but rather for that horrific foldback octave part of the circuit which with a tight, carved & contoured filth box like the Uber Metal is easily dialled in as this enables me to nail a more responsive but every bit as horrible sounding OTT distorted octave fuzz sound. The main reason being I am very short on physical space therefore I can't use a good chunk of my gear, mainly amp heads & cabs as I usually would which basically forced me to start meddling around to make up for missing out on certain goto sound...I got them available now even though they might not be 1 for 1 identical. The TORPEDO C.A.B.s and RADARs do still get used even with a multi-mic'd amp and cab as well as a DI as it offers me more options/versatility to track with & then when it comes time to mix things down, I have the same type of variety to mix and match thanks to pedals acting as preamplifiers. All the best as always sOLAr fella, some fine sounds as you always achieve and best to all too, cheers! \m/ Dean \m/
I'm using a Diezel VH4-2 pream pedal and it sounds kick ass just plugged in my focusrite Scarlett. No amp needed ! Personal tip : I plug a noise gate pedal just after the pedal and it works perfectly well without changing the tone of the preamp. The Revv G3 and the Friedman sound killer too !
Thank you and you also have a good day! I just figured this out about a week ago when I bought my first distorsion pedal ever. That moment was like "Damn, man! all I needed was a freaking pedal!!! If only I knew this earlier when I started playing..."
Love these videos where people are shown that there is no magic with pedals or electronics in general to get a good sound. Most of it is about good filtering. A good way to experiment getting a good sound is using 2 equalizer pedals. One before and one after, lets say, a distortion pedal. Just playing around with the frequencies shaping the sound.
Reminds me of the video where you told us to try the metal zone pluged straight into the loop receiver of an amp to use it as a preamp, at the end it's the same thing
Thank you Ola ! I'm glad you tried the metal muff this way. If I may, that's the second time you turn down the trebles to compensate for the boost: I would suggest to just put the boost at 38min, that's subtle but no aggressive hiss anymore ;)
Hey Ola “god of the riffage” Englund. The setup I use is a metalzone with the transparent amp on logic with a modern British 4x12 cab panned left, and a modern American 4x12 panned right. Full presence and a sm57 centred. Eq at noon on both pedal and cab amp thingy. Mid boost on leads. Sounds badass. Give that a go!
I don’t usually use distortion pedal but I’ve preordered the ascendancy pedal from Matt heafy and Corey Beaulieu and I can’t wait to try this bad boy out!
I mentioned this on twitter but I'll say it again, thanks Ola for this amazing video! 🤘 This video helped me come up with my rhythm guitar tone for our first album! 🤘
I find that if I put a boss SD-1 or a fulltone OCD in front of my metal zone waza for a little push it sounds ultra fat. Overdrive lvl at 12:00 and drive at 9:00 on one or the other and the same on the metal zone. Into a clean mesa boogie recto through a marshall 4x12 it is recording worthy.
Tack! I have been wondering about similar things for a while but hadn't tested it out yet because I AM LAZY and already get quite good tones. But knowing this is good for when I might need to do this :)
My Signal Chain in 1996 was like: Guitar > Ibanez Soundtank Classic Metal > Boss Metal Zone > Fostex XR-5 Tape Recorder. Sounded like s**t but the envy was massiv and i enjoyed it. Haha.
Yeah! We were at the studio, and a speaker just blowed up. That was just ok, and as a guitarist..we plugged my Ibanez through behringer ultra metal pedal straight to the mixing bord, and it sounded great.
For anyone who has an Orange Micro Dark like me, you can run the FX send into your interface. Just plug a dummy cable into the headphones output then run the FX send to your interface and mind the master volume on the amp, set it all the way off then gradually bring it up. Been doing this for a while and prefer it over all my plugins
You know what, Ola... I agree with your comment. Few years ago, I let go ALL my amps: Marshall, Randall, Fender, and Peavey. I was so so so tired hauling amps to every gig and rehearsal. I'm so glad, companies made better pedals. Most of the times, my pedals sound way better than my regular amps. lol.
you can emulate tube sag by adding compression between the input and IR. also makes it easier to get a cleaner sound from turning the guitar volume down like on a single channel amp
Or probably just a clean and flat boost with little drive. Power amp tone section is just that after all... Sometimes part of the tonestack goes there (like presence), but that's it.
Yeah Ola... I also use the same method.. TS9 & Fuzz pedal + I.R to get Chainsaw Sound... Sound Pretty good to me but this method nowdays have a few guitarist cant trust i.r... BTW Congrats Ola And Nice T Solar...
Cool video man. Useful for guitar players on a budget. I tried using the analog pedals to the interface and then the TPA-1 by Ignite Amps that is free and the IR loader. It sound a lot better than most people think. Even better than albums recorded with real amps. Cheers man. See you on next guitar related video or SWOLA.
Hola, maybe a but unrelated but great to hear you like the gold color it's also my favorite. Would love to see a gold matte solar(A/AB type) with a floyd. Hope you do more with that sweet gold finish.
thats the crazy thing about the metal zone. that through a power amp and IR it sounds like a sick amp. but the pedal into a clean channel is a bit bleh haha
@@andrewpegg its pretty good for rhythm stuff through the fx loop, but you can get a sick lead tone if you dial it in like a boost over your high gain channel
It took me a while to realise that my favourite tones did NOT require power amp simulation. I use Victory V4 tube preamps straight into IR and get the best response.
Source Audio UltraWave + EQ2 into power amp into guitar cab. or Tech21 PSA 2.0 (turn off the sansamp) into power amp into guitar cab. The UltraWave has compressor, distortion, LFO, and this is key: 8-band graphic EQ + high and low pass filters; also has envelope, trem, and noise gate. The EQ2 has a tuner. The Source Audio pedals two ins and outs, so many routing options are possible such as stereo or dual mono - which lets you have two different "preamps" for a dual amp rig, or as a two channel preamp... I've used these with different power amps, solid state and tube.
this also works great into the fx return of an amp with a crap sounding preamp section. completely revitalized my origin 50 head... tried some other power amps and same same. sometimes it's the simplest things, right?!? OLA!!
Hey Ola! Awesome video! Have you ever considered testing cheap amplifiers like the Marshall MG100 FX for the Will It Chug series? I think ti would be great to see their real capabilities. Keep rocking man!
Wayne Static swore by those MG100s. It was my first half stack back in the early 2000s. Did the job for a tone ignorant 16 year old in a metal band. Sounded horrible when turned up to full volume I remember though.
I feel like you could put the Guv'nor there too. It's probably not the "metal" tone, but it's still a hard clipping distortion which could be used for some grampa heavy metal
overdrive is just a smoother way to increase your gain. if you use multiple "gain" knobs in a single chain, you can achieve a smoother, more dynamic guitar chug.
I'm of the suspicion that the Metal Muff with Top Boost is intended for Doom bands that use Orange/Marshall amps with a more classic gain structure that darkens as you push the amp hard. Though I'm hardly an expert, and happy to be wrong.
The Abasi Pathos sounded phenomenal! Color me surprised as heck. Listening over my cell phone no headphones, but sounded like it had the most balls, to me. I agree, the top boost on the metal muff was pretty terrible. I love how one can coaxe a very usable tone out of any pedal, how you just proved here. A truck load of irs can be had free too, so badassery is very accessible these days
Great video as always. I'm waiting for the Ola guide to plugins and guitar SW, the best of the best and the free of the free. For a beginner it is a bit confusing with all this tech. Skipping the investment of an amp is very appealing!
That Revv is fucking Sweet! I might wan to try that out on my rig! I notice Ken Susi of Unearth runs that through his rig as well during his live streams.
Pedals over amps everyday when a budget it a concern. There are so many more options for people now a days on a budget. Days are gone you have to waste money on a “starter amp” a
its important to know that ALL IMPULSE RESPONSES ARE RECORDED USING A POWER AMP OF SOME KIND INTO A GUITAR CAB. So you really just need a preamp with a tone stack to do all of your gain and shaping, so of course this works. My fave sound rn is a metalzone going into an IR, so i am going to get both a super cheap power amp and an IR cab sim pedal to make a mobile amp setup.
Shit, man. You know, if your only amp is a "non metal" amp like a Hot Rod Deluxe or an AC15, you might have better results getting a chug going using this method than going into the front of your amp. Shit sounds great.
That's because pedals back then were all instrument level output, and the Tascam had instrument level inputs. I was doing the same thing, but the IRs today make a world of difference.
Saved the best two pedals of the bunch for last, I see. Also, these pedals will definitely cut it live if you have a tube amp with a great clean channel.
For a good couple of years I was using my Mesa Studio Preamp straight into my UX1 with a v30 cab sim and it sounded crunchy as hell. I know it's not as small and cheap as a pedal, but it's another option if you have a preamp but no power amp and/or want to play at night(like I do), since you don't need a speaker load for them! 👍
Distortion pedals used as preamp straight into a mixer board isn't that bad, and if you're steel string acoustic like I am you may want to mic the room up a bit some serious distance away from the speakers. But it's fucking great. Personally I'm using a Bad Monkey as a preamp for the pickup, and then again the room mics via a loop back to the mixer on a separate channel.
Might be super obvious for some, but not for all! This is for you guys, have a great weekend!
Have a great weekend too Ola! Hey man can Louise open a channel? That would be awesome!
Nice 👍 I’m older so any of this new fangled computer stuff baffles me .I’m so old school I still hunt mammoths 🦣
Awesome video! As someone who loves to use preamp pedals straight into my audio interface, the next logical step would be a video explaining how to make a Cab IR with a power amp's sonic characteristics.
I recently started doing that , but not with real power amps, just with the power section of some of the Brainworx amp plugins, like the VH4.
I run a short burst of pink noise through the plugin activating only the power section and bounce that. I then load it into an IR loader where you can have IRs in series, like the MixIR3 from RedWirez, put a regular IR after it and export that into a new IR file!
Other plugins that have separate Power amp sections are the Mercuriall plugins, which sound amazing - and actually have a good Cab sim! There's also the TPA1 power amp plugin from Ignite Amps!
One of the only IR companies that i know that makes IRs with tube power amp signals baked into them are Kalthallen. They make REALLY beefy IRs and they sound incredible
Exactly, Ola! Thank you very much sir!! How about direct box like the Countryman type85?
I have a Two-Notes Le Lead preamp pedal in front of a Mooer Tube Engine. kickass combo. 3 boost pedals.
I've completely given up on finding band members, so this is basically how I intend to move forward in creating my own music. I very much appreciate all your videos, man!
I feel the same
@@jacobhenderson1763, it's extremely hard to find people to mesh with, these days. Egos, differences in attitudes, differences in creativity, etc. I live in Louisville, and there are plenty of musicians, here. Getting enough people together that agree on a creative direction is insanely difficult, though. Lol
@@babayagaslobbedaknobba hey I live in cincinnati! And i agree. Thats why I use Fiverr to find drummers
Yo I’m in Lexington and I’ve got two guys with me and we need another guitarist/vocalist maybe we could make something work?
@@donovansanders4232 i can do stuff virtually!
I love how Ola is always showing love to the Revv G3 👌
Just got it delivered today 🔥
love that pedal!
First time I ever tried to record to a DAW by myself, back in 2005 I think, someone had given me a copy of Sonar to mess with and I definitely plugged my Metal Zone directly into the 1/8 mic input on my computer's sound card. Good times.
Same. Nothing but pops/clicks. Finally was able record when I got Cubase+M-Audio 2496
Don't you need DI Box or Reamp, for recording your guitar with Pedal plugged into Interface?
@@mylogify You need a DI box if your space is polluted by electro smog, but using a pedal as a preamp, you'd only need a good interface with LOW LATENCY. You can't reamp a signal recorded with distortion thou, but in this case you don't need an amp plugin anyway
@@larslevinberget9558 I plugged in my MT-2W into interface and recorded it sounds very good.
I love it when you do stuff Ola
It's f-ing great.
I could listen to The Haunted riffs all day long
Same bro
2:36 Hard to believe the sound is created without a real amp. I just ordered a regular MT-2 hope it pairs well with my marshall SL-5 and Gibson LP standard
Why not use a free poweramp sim as well? Like the ignite TPA-1, or free clean channel from Ignite as well. Peeps should try that as well with the pedals, if they find them lacking in some aspect that is.
sure thing you would want that! Just remember that some if not most impulses are made through a power amp already. But that's the beauty of life right there, there are no rules.
@@OlaEnglund True that, the only rule should be your own taste.
The poweramps in IRs are often so transparent that adding in a poweramp before them that does add color to the sound a bit does help some pedals though. And for example the Be-Od IMO sound way better through clean channels that direct (a good clean clean-channel that is).
great video btw!
Recording an impulse response through a power amp does not reproduce the whole effect of the power amp.
An impulse response is a very fancy EQ filter. The famous desirable effect of a power amp is more like compression than EQ. Impulse responses can't capture the compression effects produced by the power amp.
It's still worth trying a power amp sim or any gentle tube saturation plugin before the impulse response. In the context of metal rhythm guitars, the compression is less likely to be desirable, but it's great for anything that needs a little more squish, like a spiky lead guitar.
Agreed! I discovered that running the distortion/overdrive pedals into the TPA-1 on EL34 mode and setting the volume on the front panel of the plugin to the edge breaking up really adds a lot. AND ITS FREE!
Recently discovered the DS-1 is actually really cool as a preamp, would be interesting to see it done this way
I have a few amps in my apartment and my go-to is always just my pedals into my power amp.
You'd be surprised how good a lot of distortions sound as a preamp
The Metal Muff sounded better compared to when it was plugged to an amplifier.
I have this pedal and it's really hard to equalized, but if you can do it, you can have a great tone! Just need to be patient and tried
Even the treble boost sounded usable to me.
Metal Muff did sound better this way... it's hard to make a CAN of BEES sound good.
It really shines as a preamp and sounds awful as a distortion pedal. Same with Metal Zone, the EQ is just more suited to hit a power amp rather than most amp inputs.
@@tomieilamo power amp in is the way.
The revv pedal sounded really nice. This is how I record my guitar as well basically. Been playing through an Orange combo and ts9 overdrive through an ir for about a year now.
I love my metal zone! I've used it for years and it's never failed me. I'm a sludge player and it brings a wide variety of beef! Lean.. ground.. and chunk!!
I'm using a Victory V4 The Kraken for this stuff and it's great. You can get at least Nadir from Ignite for free, it can load 2 IRs at a time. For a little more powerful IR loader Ugritone TrveCab is like 5€ at the moment and it can load up to 8 IRs at the same time, so you can blend IRs for different cabs, mics and mic placements.
Hi Ola, did you know that you can load IR's into the space designer in Logic Pro X? I tried it with a free IR from Celestion. It sounds great! Your channel is wonderful. A carnival of edutainment!
You have a great weekend too, Ola and family! This a great vid. So many wonderful options. People don't have to wait for big ass awesome amps... they can START RIGHT NOW!
Honestly now that I’ve tested this out myself using an MT-2 and a Merciless Distortion with cab sims It honestly sounds better than ANY amp sim
Are you still using this Method? Thinking of buying some pedals and compared it against my favorite amps sims
@@jorgeguitar2540 yeah it’s legit. Distortion pedals are pretty much just preamps, and using multiple pedals like an hm-2 into an mt-2 (with the mt-2’s gain set pretty low to act like a crunch channel, or even turned up some) , or even a tube screamer into an mt-2 with the gain turned up a bit you’ll get good results. Use noise suppression though just like you would with a real amp.
Did you use a reamp or DI box? How were you able to record into a daw?
I did this with my Ukulele lmao
you have some recordings? might sound good
@@mach2223 Yes I do. Check out my insta @the21vk .
@@VinayKumar-ym4ly It sounds pretty cool actually.
That's what i do for years. I was thinking about buying a Neural DSP plugin, but the tube preamp I use sounds way better and more real. Would be interesting how an old Marshall JMP-1 and/or similar would fair against a new trendy ampsim.
it's a method I often make use of often but simply use a few Two Notes C.A.B. boxes and a few of the dinky yet great Mooer RADAR boxes which take care of the mic'd speaker cab impulse response real-time convolving as well as both featuring power amp modelling which is very useful for turning practically any distortion or other gain-based pedal into a preamp, The Revv G3 is an ideal pedal in the role of a preamp as it nails tight yet crushing modern high-gain sounds with ease as that is what it was built to do. I have a loop switcher with various distortion pedals which get rotated often but the REVV G3 has always stayed, currently have an AmpTweaker TightMetal Pro, Line 6 Uber Metal, Digitech Hardwire TL-2, EHX Nano Metal Muff as its a newish toy, Victory VH4 the Kraken preamp pedal, a DOD Grunge distortion which I get a nice grindcore-suitable high-gain sound from that old beast (the original though, the Digitech variant doesn't sound/feel the same), a Bogner Extasy red channel pedal as well as an EHX IC Big Muff, Boss FZ-2 Hyper Fuzz along with a second Line 6 Uber Metal which feeds into a long discontinued MXR "Hendrix Fuzz System" which isn't used for the fuzz but rather for that horrific foldback octave part of the circuit which with a tight, carved & contoured filth box like the Uber Metal is easily dialled in as this enables me to nail a more responsive but every bit as horrible sounding OTT distorted octave fuzz sound.
The main reason being I am very short on physical space therefore I can't use a good chunk of my gear, mainly amp heads & cabs as I usually would which basically forced me to start meddling around to make up for missing out on certain goto sound...I got them available now even though they might not be 1 for 1 identical.
The TORPEDO C.A.B.s and RADARs do still get used even with a multi-mic'd amp and cab as well as a DI as it offers me more options/versatility to track with & then when it comes time to mix things down, I have the same type of variety to mix and match thanks to pedals acting as preamplifiers.
All the best as always sOLAr fella, some fine sounds as you always achieve and best to all too, cheers!
\m/ Dean \m/
I'm using a Diezel VH4-2 pream pedal and it sounds kick ass just plugged in my focusrite Scarlett. No amp needed ! Personal tip : I plug a noise gate pedal just after the pedal and it works perfectly well without changing the tone of the preamp. The Revv G3 and the Friedman sound killer too !
Thank you and you also have a good day! I just figured this out about a week ago when I bought my first distorsion pedal ever. That moment was like "Damn, man! all I needed was a freaking pedal!!! If only I knew this earlier when I started playing..."
Always amazing how much difference it makes to change the impulse response.
Have a great weekend! you too Ola
I recommend the Ibanez SM-7 Smash Box.
Old, criminally underrated and very powerful distortion with noise gate.
Wish I still had mine
@@ericsalinas1839me too😢
i never would have thought of doing this. thank you Ola!
I use the boss mt2w with using an amp's
send and return.
It's tone is soooooo good!!
Ola just plugs it into the return only.
ola your playing is getting better and evolving with every video. it’s great!
Love these videos where people are shown that there is no magic with pedals or electronics in general to get a good sound. Most of it is about good filtering.
A good way to experiment getting a good sound is using 2 equalizer pedals. One before and one after, lets say, a distortion pedal. Just playing around with the frequencies shaping the sound.
That rif for the first like 10 seconds was freaking amazing.
Listen to The Dead Eye by The Haunted. You won’t be disappointed
Reminds me of the video where you told us to try the metal zone pluged straight into the loop receiver of an amp to use it as a preamp, at the end it's the same thing
Thank you Ola ! I'm glad you tried the metal muff this way. If I may, that's the second time you turn down the trebles to compensate for the boost: I would suggest to just put the boost at 38min, that's subtle but no aggressive hiss anymore ;)
Hey Ola “god of the riffage” Englund. The setup I use is a metalzone with the transparent amp on logic with a modern British 4x12 cab panned left, and a modern American 4x12 panned right. Full presence and a sm57 centred. Eq at noon on both pedal and cab amp thingy. Mid boost on leads. Sounds badass. Give that a go!
Going to do this with my HM-2 for massive facemelt tone!!
I don’t usually use distortion pedal but I’ve preordered the ascendancy pedal from Matt heafy and Corey Beaulieu and I can’t wait to try this bad boy out!
Where’s the link you said you’d put in the comments, Ola? I’m stoked to try this.
I mentioned this on twitter but I'll say it again, thanks Ola for this amazing video! 🤘 This video helped me come up with my rhythm guitar tone for our first album! 🤘
I find that if I put a boss SD-1 or a fulltone OCD in front of my metal zone waza for a little push it sounds ultra fat. Overdrive lvl at 12:00 and drive at 9:00 on one or the other and the same on the metal zone. Into a clean mesa boogie recto through a marshall 4x12 it is recording worthy.
Shout out to the every single video riff again, we love you. 3:03
The Revv pedal sounded amazing!
"Ola doing stuff in his office" This is the best segment ever !
holy shit that intro riff was insane
I know right. It's "The Flood", from "The Dead Eye". Beast of a song
I just got a Revv G3 a few weeks ago, its amazing.
Tack! I have been wondering about similar things for a while but hadn't tested it out yet because I AM LAZY and already get quite good tones.
But knowing this is good for when I might need to do this :)
Had questions about practicing at work breaks and this might be my solution.
Great new out of the box thinking video
Kudos Ola
I'm in love with my MT-2w, of course I use that for preamp. Custom Mode is really great!!
I used to do this back in the day….. Boss DS-1 right into a Tascam Porta One…… yeah….. I’m old as dirt…… lol
My Signal Chain in 1996 was like: Guitar > Ibanez Soundtank Classic Metal > Boss Metal Zone > Fostex XR-5 Tape Recorder. Sounded like s**t but the envy was massiv and i enjoyed it. Haha.
I'm going from a digitech rp-1 directly into a shure m367
Not quite old as dirt, but I still use a Zoom PS02 for testing stuff and riffs. Had the damn thing for 19 years.
Wow, that metalzone sounds great running this way!
Works great for violin too👌🏼
That Revv pedal is simply on another level
The finish on the wood of that guitar is so nice from certain angles it looks like candy dark orange paint
Thank you, Ola! I learn so much from your videos, and you always manage to keep them fun!
I play through a shotty pa system with my Tosin Abasi pedal. It sounds awesome
thanks for the info ola I like the metal zone sound i feel you and Colin are the only ones who can make the metal zone awesome
Yeah! We were at the studio, and a speaker just blowed up. That was just ok, and as a guitarist..we plugged my Ibanez through behringer ultra metal pedal straight to the mixing bord, and it sounded great.
For anyone who has an Orange Micro Dark like me, you can run the FX send into your interface. Just plug a dummy cable into the headphones output then run the FX send to your interface and mind the master volume on the amp, set it all the way off then gradually bring it up. Been doing this for a while and prefer it over all my plugins
You know what, Ola... I agree with your comment. Few years ago, I let go ALL my amps: Marshall, Randall, Fender, and Peavey. I was so so so tired hauling amps to every gig and rehearsal. I'm so glad, companies made better pedals. Most of the times, my pedals sound way better than my regular amps. lol.
you can emulate tube sag by adding compression between the input and IR. also makes it easier to get a cleaner sound from turning the guitar volume down like on a single channel amp
Or probably just a clean and flat boost with little drive.
Power amp tone section is just that after all... Sometimes part of the tonestack goes there (like presence), but that's it.
@@daniloberserk it's not to replicate the tone, which like you said can be done with eq, but the feel of a tube power section
awesome video! thank you ola!! i am going to try this out RIGHT NOW!!
Yeah Ola... I also use the same method..
TS9 & Fuzz pedal + I.R to get Chainsaw Sound... Sound Pretty good to me but this method nowdays have a few guitarist cant trust i.r...
BTW Congrats Ola And Nice T Solar...
Love the Metal Muff for the simple set up. But, EQ into a Pi sounds better, especially for leads.
Cool video man. Useful for guitar players on a budget. I tried using the analog pedals to the interface and then the TPA-1 by Ignite Amps that is free and the IR loader. It sound a lot better than most people think. Even better than albums recorded with real amps. Cheers man. See you on next guitar related video or SWOLA.
Hola, maybe a but unrelated but great to hear you like the gold color it's also my favorite. Would love to see a gold matte solar(A/AB type) with a floyd. Hope you do more with that sweet gold finish.
Never been this early, great stuff Ola.
Hey did you share These impulses? Ive been looking for IRS that work with pedals
thats the crazy thing about the metal zone. that through a power amp and IR it sounds like a sick amp. but the pedal into a clean channel is a bit bleh haha
Everyone says to put it in your fx loop
Gotta use it as a boost, its the only real way
@@andrewpegg its pretty good for rhythm stuff through the fx loop, but you can get a sick lead tone if you dial it in like a boost over your high gain channel
I played my Metal Zone through my Dual Rec's clean channel and it sounds brutal!
Well, he's putting on IR that is clean. IR's do not add distortion by design, they can't - just coloring.
It took me a while to realise that my favourite tones did NOT require power amp simulation. I use Victory V4 tube preamps straight into IR and get the best response.
Brilliant! Cheers for this OLA ITB!
My day is better now. Thanks Ola!
That Revv sounded fantastic!
Source Audio UltraWave + EQ2 into power amp into guitar cab.
or
Tech21 PSA 2.0 (turn off the sansamp) into power amp into guitar cab.
The UltraWave has compressor, distortion, LFO, and this is key: 8-band graphic EQ + high and low pass filters; also has envelope, trem, and noise gate.
The EQ2 has a tuner.
The Source Audio pedals two ins and outs, so many routing options are possible such as stereo or dual mono - which lets you have two different "preamps" for a dual amp rig, or as a two channel preamp...
I've used these with different power amps, solid state and tube.
this also works great into the fx return of an amp with a crap sounding preamp section. completely revitalized my origin 50 head... tried some other power amps and same same. sometimes it's the simplest things, right?!? OLA!!
Hey Ola! Awesome video! Have you ever considered testing cheap amplifiers like the Marshall MG100 FX for the Will It Chug series? I think ti would be great to see their real capabilities. Keep rocking man!
Wayne Static swore by those MG100s. It was my first half stack back in the early 2000s. Did the job for a tone ignorant 16 year old in a metal band. Sounded horrible when turned up to full volume I remember though.
I have one and fucking love it.
Been useing the Boss since birth of the pedal...now i mix it with my Moen affects pedal...still sounds the best to me. Great vid Ola...🤘🤘🤘
the metal zone will always be a favorite of mine! sick tones ola!
I feel like you could put the Guv'nor there too. It's probably not the "metal" tone, but it's still a hard clipping distortion which could be used for some grampa heavy metal
What’s the intro riff from ? It sounds sick!
That's from "the flood" by the Haunted, on the album the Dead Eye. Best album Ola ever had a part in creating IMO
My fav was the metal muff. It sounded so damn "in your face" while covering a good spectrum to me.
Yess.. The Metal Muff and the REVV G3.. Horns wayyy up!⛧🤘
Ola's such a cool guy!!!🤘👍
"Put an overdrive in front of it" - why do you put an OD in front of the distortion pedal? (I know very little about pedals, so I'm just curious)
It tightens up the sound and brings out the high end a little bit more. To my ears it does
gain stacking
overdrive is just a smoother way to increase your gain. if you use multiple "gain" knobs in a single chain, you can achieve a smoother, more dynamic guitar chug.
Harmonic excitement
@@killerspyder1 I use an SD-1 in front of an Amptweaker Tight Metal. The SD-1 adds a lot of harmonics and tightens up the mids and chugs
Well thanks.. I didn't know I could do that.. good weekend to you too..
I got the Friedman be-od delux pedal and love it so much.
I'm of the suspicion that the Metal Muff with Top Boost is intended for Doom bands that use Orange/Marshall amps with a more classic gain structure that darkens as you push the amp hard.
Though I'm hardly an expert, and happy to be wrong.
I too am looking forward to more segments of "Ola Doing Stuff in his Office". Someone make a title card and print it!
The Abasi Pathos sounded phenomenal! Color me surprised as heck. Listening over my cell phone no headphones, but sounded like it had the most balls, to me. I agree, the top boost on the metal muff was pretty terrible. I love how one can coaxe a very usable tone out of any pedal, how you just proved here. A truck load of irs can be had free too, so badassery is very accessible these days
Great video as always. I'm waiting for the Ola guide to plugins and guitar SW, the best of the best and the free of the free. For a beginner it is a bit confusing with all this tech. Skipping the investment of an amp is very appealing!
All the way trough this clip I thought about Foo Fighters ... MY HERO
That Revv is fucking Sweet! I might wan to try that out on my rig! I notice Ken Susi of Unearth runs that through his rig as well during his live streams.
Totally agree! Awesome video!
Pedals over amps everyday when a budget it a concern. There are so many more options for people now a days on a budget. Days are gone you have to waste money on a “starter amp” a
To me personally though amps are more fun. There’s nothing like feeling speakers push some air.
its important to know that ALL IMPULSE RESPONSES ARE RECORDED USING A POWER AMP OF SOME KIND INTO A GUITAR CAB. So you really just need a preamp with a tone stack to do all of your gain and shaping, so of course this works. My fave sound rn is a metalzone going into an IR, so i am going to get both a super cheap power amp and an IR cab sim pedal to make a mobile amp setup.
Shit, man. You know, if your only amp is a "non metal" amp like a Hot Rod Deluxe or an AC15, you might have better results getting a chug going using this method than going into the front of your amp. Shit sounds great.
I did this in old days when using 4-track Tascam cassette recorders and it worked great! Z.K.
That's because pedals back then were all instrument level output, and the Tascam had instrument level inputs.
I was doing the same thing, but the IRs today make a world of difference.
3:26 I like that cab!
Saved the best two pedals of the bunch for last, I see. Also, these pedals will definitely cut it live if you have a tube amp with a great clean channel.
That Revv pedal just slays all the other ones you have there. Like it's not even close.
You betcha!⛧🤘 Revv G3 for the Win!⛧🤘
Amazing!... Have a good day Sir... Love the Revv sound....
For a good couple of years I was using my Mesa Studio Preamp straight into my UX1 with a v30 cab sim and it sounded crunchy as hell. I know it's not as small and cheap as a pedal, but it's another option if you have a preamp but no power amp and/or want to play at night(like I do), since you don't need a speaker load for them! 👍
Amazing video as always
They need to make a Metal Muff with a BOTTOM boost!! 🔥🔥👊🏽😁
Distortion pedals used as preamp straight into a mixer board isn't that bad, and if you're steel string acoustic like I am you may want to mic the room up a bit some serious distance away from the speakers. But it's fucking great. Personally I'm using a Bad Monkey as a preamp for the pickup, and then again the room mics via a loop back to the mixer on a separate channel.