There's one machine that will ignore iron completely it's a Lazer scout with the black 7"coil but there are so many variables that testing in air is not a real test we don't detect in air we detect in soil.How often will you have these scenarios ??
As a mentioned „sect member” I can assure you, no one is building a gallows for you 😂😂😂. Funniest thing which I read today. This is coming from hard to educate people which doesn’t understand much bar propaganda and fake influencers. This situation escalated to full time war already, but the primer was a hurt pride of one person who was refused to become an official Versa retailer. He said to the owner of Rutus after phone conversation "you realize that this will cause my acting appropriately?" This is not coming from nowhere, attack on Rutus from every possible way. IF machine will be that bad as some people are trying it to make (I’m not talking about you to be clear), no one will spend that much time and effort to show it as bad as possible. I seen you were replying on comments under my video but they disappeared somehow - my test was not focused on plain iron, just about specific behaviour of targets in iron proximity and ID changes. Setup was not important, but to perform 3d test I’d need any other machine to do a reference test to compare results - to show both sides unbiased. Have a good day!
Hey Rob, i rewatched and read your reply about one tone so then I understood your test. There are videos and comments everywhere now about the Versa and its tough to keep up 😆 i removed mine from the FB page as well but will reply to everyone here. 👍
@@IffySignals tried to reach you on messenger, but I think you missed my messages. You are right, there is too much happening everywhere and it is hard to not get lost
@RobertWestWykopki in your video you show 1 tone, Disc at -5 do you think Rutus will make an update so it can be used without having to go into the Neg Disc? That would be better than having to search and dig negative numbers. In the two demos i put up and in testing other machines they hit these targets all with positive ID including the Nokta Score (very basic multi machine) giving a 35 ID. The work around you did definitely works, no disputing that. But the trade offs of digging negative IDs and other bits that fall into that range show it needs improvement. i know there is allot of dispute videos and controversy but i still think it needs an update.
All feedbacks and outcome has been passed to Rutus and I have confirmation this will be improved in the next update. The advantage of Versa is the very stiff ID and in this particular example even negative ID can be easily determined as valuable target - however it brings mandatory level of knowledge. Score result didn’t bought me personally- as ID were too jumpy for me - I’d have to dig every positive chirp. But everyone has got their preffered way of working with machine and everyone can find something for them
@@RobertWestWykopki the 1 tone suggestion and negative disc that you showed did it. I explained the instructions you gave me and when Calabash got it back yesterday he put those settings in and it was allot better. It give’s negative numbers but at least it hits it. Seems like 1 tone and 2 tone are the same, but 1 tone hits it, both have a non ferrous and ferrous, is there any difference between them? Thx
It's been 20 days since I purchased Versa, and I mainly use the multi-frequency at the beach. But there's a problem! Target depth not working properly? There is no mineral response signal through the headphones, but the current depth is quite short. I think there's also an issue with the sensor being too quiet when detecting the beach. It felt as if the noise had been forcibly blocked.
Hopefully some of the Versa users will chime in and help. Did you have a machine before the Versa that you can compare to? There is also a FB page for the Versa that could help get you some answers.
Thanks Iffy for that very thorough test and assessment of the Rutus Versa. I'd say you and Calabash bent over backwards and turned that detector inside-out and upside down trying to get the results. Perhaps Rutus will update it in the future. I know the metal detecting community really appreciates your hard work and attention to detail 🙂
@@flyrock2 multifrequency should be used on highly mineralized soils. If detector doesn't react to the soil and is stable on single frequency than you should use single frequency for much better range and detection. Multifrequency doesn't give better results in normal soils... So first of all you should educate yourself about difference between single and multifrequency and when to use them.
Sending a high frequency and a low frequency into the ground at the same time covers both your high conductors and low conductors. The only time i would run a single here (my soil is not very mineralized) is if the multi was unstable which is not often. Why would you want to run single anymore unless you are specifically looking for gold or a cache?
If you're a relic hunter and you primarily hunt for iron relics, this looks to be a great machine. Its ability to discriminate non ferrous targets is amazing.
Hi Tim, some of my sites are pretty iron loaded. I like the machines that can find the non ferrous between the ferrous. They keep getting better and better 👍
Rutus have confirmed that unmasking tests were carried out on the Versa (though not on US coins) and results were not worse than other comparable detectors. BUT they will check the specific situation shown on the iffysignals/Calabash videos and the Versa will be updated if needed. Thanks all for your contributions and thorough testing
"Multi IQ Technology (SMF), will obsolete All Single Frequency metal detectors". Said the jokers to the sheep. Thank goodness you are a "shepherd" Mike. My old '05 UK Tejon "kills" these tests, even with the big 10"x12" DD and a 4" t'ick high- mineralised brick on top of each target: and no faffing with settings. On ancient habitation sites this Rutus would be "compromised" imo.🤫
Ja wierzę w firmę rutus, to mala firma mierzącą się z Goliathem , trzeba czasu poprawią to jest pewne, rutus ma potencjał, to dopiero 1 poprawka softu😉
Hmm i understand.. In the beginning i had problems with the Atrex Multi doing the same things but when soil was poluted with water/minerals the machine struggled on non mingled non ferro as well. I always had contact with Rutus by chat with Wiola or something (company owner) and they were always very helpful and open for discussions and stuff. Never had a bad argue with them, just send vids of it and they worked it out. I had high hopes when seeing the test run of Top digin on youtube.. EU ground and EU targets. It wasnt under performing a alot compared to D2 and Manticore.
@@IffySignals i cant remember but have you tried to adjust the sounds? On the atrex, If i remember correctly i had to adjust sound and tone breaks to make it perform.
@@TheInsox i didn’t try any tone adjustments. If you go to one tone and drop the tone break into the negative range (- 10) or a little less it helps unmask and non ferrous will come into that negative range and give negative IDs. I am not sure how this will handle out in the field but I have seen posts and videos showing this helps the Versa unmask. I have not tested it.
For the money they are asking it should match the performance of the Nokta Legend. As it is it cannot even match the turn-on and go Nokta Score! Instead of attacking testers Rutus should hold their hands up, admit it is not performing as well as they want and work on a firmware update that can at the very least match the Score.
Are you in communication with anyone from Rutus? Is this version 2.44 ? I know tcDetects in the UK uses a Versa may be worth asking him his thoughts as well.
@@IffySignals If you have a few minutes to spare I would be curious to hear your thoughts on this short video. Is this what Rutus is implying needs to be done to the Versa in order to sucessfully find targets in Iron?th-cam.com/video/OgFffMmjXhM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=eM62U_48b_WgseKE
Loren is spot on in this video. This can also be done on the Versa. When you lower the first non ferrous tone break into the set iron range you will then pull through the non ferrous. The negative impact to this is you will dig much more iron because you are making this adjustment on a single sample of iron. That is why manufacturers setup there own particular range of iron in this case -29 - 0.
@@IffySignals In this video I can't understand but it appears to be having the same issue but at the 4min mark he makes some adjustments on screen that help. Now I can't tell if his iron is on the same plane because it is buried but the machine does respond better. th-cam.com/video/HJOXuekvJmc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=saTWqb9l9TMwzzPM
I m a owner of a Rutus Versa since a few weeks. I'm very disappointed with what I'm seeing. I also tried to do the test and the results are the same, it doesn't matter if in the woods on a concrete slab or elsewhere, there are coins here and the metal doesn't detect them, that's it. Furthermore, I think that a manufacturer should take advantage of all the advice and tests carried out by users and not come into conflict with them as happened to Calabash. I sincerely hope that the Rutus engineers will make an improvement to their product as soon as possible, otherwise, as far as I'm concerned, I will return the unit and buy a less expensive one, but one that detects metals as a metal that costs that price should.
@@omnitron i saw the comments on your youtube channel from Rutus. Just out of their arrogance I would return the metal detector even if it were the best in the world. It's a shame I only read them now… already bought.
How does it perform in single freq. with the tests? I'm starting to think they have a multi-freq issue that needs dialed in. Similar to what we saw with the Legend when it was first released.
I loved my Rutus Alter 71, it would have passed all the tests, I am disappointed that a manufacturer rushed out a new detector that does not surpass the old model. Such a shame.
There's one machine that will ignore iron completely it's a Lazer scout with the black 7"coil but there are so many variables that testing in air is not a real test we don't detect in air we detect in soil.How often will you have these scenarios ??
Have you used a Minelab Vanquish 340 ?
Love the 540. Was one of my favorites. Still my dads main machine.
As a mentioned „sect member” I can assure you, no one is building a gallows for you 😂😂😂. Funniest thing which I read today. This is coming from hard to educate people which doesn’t understand much bar propaganda and fake influencers. This situation escalated to full time war already, but the primer was a hurt pride of one person who was refused to become an official Versa retailer. He said to the owner of Rutus after phone conversation "you realize that this will cause my acting appropriately?" This is not coming from nowhere, attack on Rutus from every possible way. IF machine will be that bad as some people are trying it to make (I’m not talking about you to be clear), no one will spend that much time and effort to show it as bad as possible. I seen you were replying on comments under my video but they disappeared somehow - my test was not focused on plain iron, just about specific behaviour of targets in iron proximity and ID changes. Setup was not important, but to perform 3d test I’d need any other machine to do a reference test to compare results - to show both sides unbiased. Have a good day!
Hey Rob, i rewatched and read your reply about one tone so then I understood your test. There are videos and comments everywhere now about the Versa and its tough to keep up 😆 i removed mine from the FB page as well but will reply to everyone here. 👍
@@IffySignals tried to reach you on messenger, but I think you missed my messages. You are right, there is too much happening everywhere and it is hard to not get lost
@RobertWestWykopki in your video you show 1 tone, Disc at -5 do you think Rutus will make an update so it can be used without having to go into the Neg Disc? That would be better than having to search and dig negative numbers. In the two demos i put up and in testing other machines they hit these targets all with positive ID including the Nokta Score (very basic multi machine) giving a 35 ID. The work around you did definitely works, no disputing that. But the trade offs of digging negative IDs and other bits that fall into that range show it needs improvement. i know there is allot of dispute videos and controversy but i still think it needs an update.
All feedbacks and outcome has been passed to Rutus and I have confirmation this will be improved in the next update. The advantage of Versa is the very stiff ID and in this particular example even negative ID can be easily determined as valuable target - however it brings mandatory level of knowledge. Score result didn’t bought me personally- as ID were too jumpy for me - I’d have to dig every positive chirp. But everyone has got their preffered way of working with machine and everyone can find something for them
@@RobertWestWykopki the 1 tone suggestion and negative disc that you showed did it. I explained the instructions you gave me and when Calabash got it back yesterday he put those settings in and it was allot better. It give’s negative numbers but at least it hits it. Seems like 1 tone and 2 tone are the same, but 1 tone hits it, both have a non ferrous and ferrous, is there any difference between them? Thx
It's been 20 days since I purchased Versa, and I mainly use the multi-frequency at the beach. But there's a problem! Target depth not working properly? There is no mineral response signal through the headphones, but the current depth is quite short. I think there's also an issue with the sensor being too quiet when detecting the beach. It felt as if the noise had been forcibly blocked.
Hopefully some of the Versa users will chime in and help. Did you have a machine before the Versa that you can compare to? There is also a FB page for the Versa that could help get you some answers.
I believe it is still a dream smasher! And I appreciate you doing the demos for us!!
Welcome Shannon.
Thanks Iffy for that very thorough test and assessment of the Rutus Versa. I'd say you and Calabash bent over backwards and turned that detector inside-out and upside down trying to get the results. Perhaps Rutus will update it in the future. I know the metal detecting community really appreciates your hard work and attention to detail 🙂
Thank you! I appreciate the feedback and hopefully RUTUS takes the high road and provides there users with an update.
Yes this was the updated 2.44 version that Iffy and CD tested.
@@lanenebraska3322 yes.
This detector was tested in england.Could that have an effect on the detector.
There is an update coming that was tested in multiple countries. A great improvement.
This is an interesting detector. Looks the The Score took the win over the Versa....Thanks for taking your time to doing these test videos .. Peace
Thanks Danny!
Thank Mike for sharing this with us.
Welcome!
Thank you for trying again iffy no different with the small coil .
Welcome Leonard!
How weird is it that they make a sim multi machine and factory default it to start up in single freq? 🤔
Good point.
So tell me when would you use multifrequency?
@mdfishing299 Always in most situations. Unless you have a rutus I guess.
@@flyrock2 multifrequency should be used on highly mineralized soils.
If detector doesn't react to the soil and is stable on single frequency than you should use single frequency for much better range and detection.
Multifrequency doesn't give better results in normal soils...
So first of all you should educate yourself about difference between single and multifrequency and when to use them.
Sending a high frequency and a low frequency into the ground at the same time covers both your high conductors and low conductors. The only time i would run a single here (my soil is not very mineralized) is if the multi was unstable which is not often. Why would you want to run single anymore unless you are specifically looking for gold or a cache?
Hello🖐 Which detectors do you thing are best for working in highly ferrous terrain ?
Hi, XP Deus 2 and Minelab Manticore.
Same results as the big coil. Thanks for the video, this machine needs an update or an overhaul.
Yes Bill. Was hoping for better with the small.
If you're a relic hunter and you primarily hunt for iron relics, this looks to be a great machine. Its ability to discriminate non ferrous targets is amazing.
Hi Tim, some of my sites are pretty iron loaded. I like the machines that can find the non ferrous between the ferrous. They keep getting better and better 👍
Rutus have confirmed that unmasking tests were carried out on the Versa (though not on US coins) and results were not worse than other comparable detectors. BUT they will check the specific situation shown on the iffysignals/Calabash videos and the Versa will be updated if needed.
Thanks all for your contributions and thorough testing
Thanks for the update TC.
@@IffySignals thank you for the vids
Where is my apology from Rutus on their UK Facebook page? I hope they get the bugs worked out...
I don't think it should have the price tag it has if the base programs won't even separate a little.
Agree.
"Multi IQ Technology (SMF), will obsolete All Single Frequency metal detectors". Said the jokers to the sheep. Thank goodness you are a "shepherd" Mike. My old '05 UK Tejon "kills" these tests, even with the big 10"x12" DD and a 4" t'ick high- mineralised brick on top of each target: and no faffing with settings. On ancient habitation sites this Rutus would be "compromised" imo.🤫
Thanks for the feedback Tim!
There is just no way the rutus is on par with an of the top 3 manufacturer's products.
Not from what i am seeing here.
Ja wierzę w firmę rutus, to mala firma mierzącą się z Goliathem , trzeba czasu poprawią to jest pewne, rutus ma potencjał, to dopiero 1 poprawka softu😉
Thats great they are a small company that came out and attacked me instead of saying they will look into it!@@czasposzukiwan
Thanks for the vid and time and information. Great 👍 👌
Welcome Fred!
Hmm i understand.. In the beginning i had problems with the Atrex Multi doing the same things but when soil was poluted with water/minerals the machine struggled on non mingled non ferro as well. I always had contact with Rutus by chat with Wiola or something (company owner) and they were always very helpful and open for discussions and stuff. Never had a bad argue with them, just send vids of it and they worked it out.
I had high hopes when seeing the test run of Top digin on youtube.. EU ground and EU targets. It wasnt under performing a alot compared to D2 and Manticore.
I think they are looking into it. Hopefully they will be able to update the software. 👍
@@IffySignals i cant remember but have you tried to adjust the sounds? On the atrex, If i remember correctly i had to adjust sound and tone breaks to make it perform.
@@TheInsox i didn’t try any tone adjustments. If you go to one tone and drop the tone break into the negative range (- 10) or a little less it helps unmask and non ferrous will come into that negative range and give negative IDs. I am not sure how this will handle out in the field but I have seen posts and videos showing this helps the Versa unmask. I have not tested it.
For the money they are asking it should match the performance of the Nokta Legend. As it is it cannot even match the turn-on and go Nokta Score! Instead of attacking testers Rutus should hold their hands up, admit it is not performing as well as they want and work on a firmware update that can at the very least match the Score.
I do not know if the prior update performed better but at least make that available to people who own this machine. It is currently not.
So it's not possible to downgrade to the older version?
Are you in communication with anyone from Rutus? Is this version 2.44 ? I know tcDetects in the UK uses a Versa may be worth asking him his thoughts as well.
Hey Travis, no. Have not heard from anyone.
@@IffySignals If you have a few minutes to spare I would be curious to hear your thoughts on this short video. Is this what Rutus is implying needs to be done to the Versa in order to sucessfully find targets in Iron?th-cam.com/video/OgFffMmjXhM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=eM62U_48b_WgseKE
Loren is spot on in this video. This can also be done on the Versa. When you lower the first non ferrous tone break into the set iron range you will then pull through the non ferrous. The negative impact to this is you will dig much more iron because you are making this adjustment on a single sample of iron. That is why manufacturers setup there own particular range of iron in this case -29 - 0.
I am looking for the link
@@IffySignals In this video I can't understand but it appears to be having the same issue but at the 4min mark he makes some adjustments on screen that help. Now I can't tell if his iron is on the same plane because it is buried but the machine does respond better. th-cam.com/video/HJOXuekvJmc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=saTWqb9l9TMwzzPM
I m a owner of a Rutus Versa since a few weeks. I'm very disappointed with what I'm seeing. I also tried to do the test and the results are the same, it doesn't matter if in the woods on a concrete slab or elsewhere, there are coins here and the metal doesn't detect them, that's it. Furthermore, I think that a manufacturer should take advantage of all the advice and tests carried out by users and not come into conflict with them as happened to Calabash. I sincerely hope that the Rutus engineers will make an improvement to their product as soon as possible, otherwise, as far as I'm concerned, I will return the unit and buy a less expensive one, but one that detects metals as a metal that costs that price should.
Max, I appreciate the feedback and your verification of the testing. I hope RUTUS addresses the concerns.
@@omnitron i saw the comments on your youtube channel from Rutus. Just out of their arrogance I would return the metal detector even if it were the best in the world. It's a shame I only read them now… already bought.
How does it perform in single freq. with the tests? I'm starting to think they have a multi-freq issue that needs dialed in. Similar to what we saw with the Legend when it was first released.
@@travismitchell9637 main problem is with multi frequency mode, in single frequency it performs better.
@@travismitchell9637 It's the same result, I tried in factory set 14khz, and in 38khz as they advised and still no improvement with this test.
I loved my Rutus Alter 71, it would have passed all the tests, I am disappointed that a manufacturer rushed out a new detector that does not surpass the old model. Such a shame.
Thx for the info Jim!
R.I.P. rutus. You gave it a fair shake and now it’s time to lay it to rest !!⚰️
Morning Mr Outcast.
good work!
Thanks Dan!
Please for god's sake put your coil cable on properly 👍😊
There is no movement from the coil wire in this video. I could drag the coil wire on the ground with the other machines and hit these targets.
You forgot, "And use velcro cable ties".😵💫🤣
@@KernowekTim 😆
Rutus Versa
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Thanks, i watched. These targets are very far away from each other and not under the coil at the same time. Not the same test.
Panie Rutyna nie zadzieraj z Amerykanami 😂 .good job.
Thank you 👍
POSSIBILE METTERE TRADUZIONE GRAZIE !🤝👍
Hi, let me see if I can add it.
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At yah hoo
You or Calabash
Whats that Rick? My email is in my about section if you need to contact me.