What makes Frank Fontaine so fascinating to me is how competitive he is. You get the sense that even before Rapture the guy was a Machiavellian manipulator who was willing to do anything to elevate status and control others. It’s hardly a god complex like Shodan, it’s more an elevated sense of self and a hunger to show himself as stronger than others.
In the book it's revealed Fontaine isn't even actually Fontaine. Fontaine was a smuggler that started selling fish to Ryan's construction site. Frank killed him and stole his boat and identity to get the fishing job and to learn more about rapture.
@@nono9543 he even coins the crime as the first "identity theft"....the book is of mixed quality We know Frank was an orphan, learned how to lie from running away to the theater, and had many last names before conning a man out of his bar to listen in on the patrons and eventually learning of something being built in the Atlantic through said bar. That said the book being canon is up for debate. It's owned by 2k with approval from Ken Levine but he hasn't actually read it or at least hadn't at the time and doesn't consider it canon himself.
Damn, say what you will about Fontaine, but he's smart and committed, he played everyone in Rapture for a fool and nearly got away with it, if he didn't give Tenenbaum the opportunity to free Jack from the spell he would've gotten away with the whole thing.
Something that annoys me is WHY did he try to kill jack though? The only reason Jack had a reason to go after fontaine is cause fontaine tried to kill him. Besides that, they didnt actually have beef. Fontaine could have just sent jack back top side and go about his life.
@@hidan407 Well after Ryan spilled the beans about what happened, as well as after seeing Suchong's tapes, Fontaine knew Jack probably wouldn't be too happy with him after knowing that Fontaine made his whole life a lie and just made him murder his own biological father.
@@Brainflayer Well Andrew forced Jack to kill him when he could have helped jack obtain his own free will. Idk I think Ryan is just weird. He learned that he could control jack just as much as fontaine could but still decided to make jack kill him. Yeah its messed up that Jack was created cause of Fontaine and he did try to get jack to kill ryan even though it was Ryan who "pulled the trigger". Ryan could have won tbh but he gave up and says he is a man cause he *chose* to just give up. I think everyone in rapture just needs real therapy and not from someone like Sofia who decided to just make everything worse.
@@hidan407 Fontaine always chooses murder, he probably doesn't trust anyone because he knows himself too well, anyone who could potentially beat him needed to go at some point in time because they couldn't be trusted to be by his side, especially those who had some sort of moral - they would end up giving up doing Fontaine's dirty work. Also, Jack was a liability when he was both a super soldier and conditioned to do what others wanted him to. Both Tenenbaum and Ryan knew how to pull Jack's strings, anyone else could learn as well. Andrew gave up in the end because he knew he couldn't stop Jack, he knew the WYK, but it was Fontaine and Tenenbaum who could really play with Jack's mind, there was no point for Ryan to fight back when Jack survived everything else Ryan threw his way.
@@molmolsmolses For a guy like fontaine to scheme so much, he never once thought that it should be a good idea to have jack ONLY listen to him and no one else? They created him to be a super soldier from birth. I dont see why he didnt fully think it through to add things to make Jack the perfect weapon. Yeah Fontaine is so used to betraying people that its natural now smh. What I hate though is that fontaine could have honestly saved rapture. He knew all the issues from the very start and didnt buy the bullshit. He really could have done extreme good and took over rapture without even needing to take a life.
As a person who does voicework for amateur things, I can clearly say that the voice actor must have enjoyed the 45:47 bit quite a lot. It's always my favorite when there is emotion in a line, and I get into character so deeply that my laughs are always genuine (even the villain laughs, lol). I bet it's the same here.
44:27 That "you won't even walk till somebody says 'go'" line really stuck with me for some reason. Ryan's "A man chooses" speech is memorable, but I think this line also sums up the game's meta-commentary really well.
In my perspective he was a genius. He saw a clear and opened loophole that ryan completely forgot. And he took it. It's Andrew's fault for not actually making sure that nobody else could try Replace him as mega Magnate.
@@_anterix_2953 Cost wise yes it was 10times more adam to create them and if you drink wayyyy too much it will show obvious signs of abuse like with slate and the crystals on his head. I was wondering if the increase in cost actually stablized everything more and less likely to cause adam addiction because I never saw people showed the same abuse signs Rapture splicers did.
14:48 This audio log is especially impressive. I’m not sure how they actually did it because Atlas and Fontaine have two different voice actors in the first game. Clever audio editing I suppose.
Same voice actor. Took a few takes but he changed his voice part way through the line. Greg Baldwin wasn't used in the end because test audiences didn't trust his voice, so when Karl Hanover recorded for Atlas, he also rerecorded Fontaine's lines. It isn't reflected in the game credits but he confirms that it was him in interviews - which is also why Karl was used to play Fontaine in both sequels
@@becksmumford5926 Oh, interesting! I’m watching an interview with Karl Hanover right now and yeah I guess he did do both voices. I will say it’s nice they at least credited Greg Baldwin even if they didn’t use his voice because it would suck to be him and do all that work and then not have any of it credited.
Frank Fountaine: *Look around you! There's nothing to save! Rapture's a mausoleum, a god damn cemetery funhouse. And you and the Kraut is just ghosts. Just a matter of time till you realize it.* Me: ... Frank Fountaine: *You think turning yourself into one of those tin men is a two-way street? The Kraut's holding auditions for the Frankenstein parade, and you're first in line!* Me: ... Frank Fountaine: *Has Mother Goose really got her hooks into you. You can knock Ryan all you want, but the old man was bingo on one point of fact: you won't even walk till somebody says "go"!* Me: ... Frank Fountaine: *You're playing a bad hand, kid! You're just too spliced to smell it! Roll on back to Mother Goose now, or everything's gonna go busto!* Me: ... Frank Fountaine: *I'd turn tail if I were you, kid. Ain't nothin' here for you but tears.* Me: ... Frank Fountaine: *You pushed me too far, kid. When you're cold and stiff, I'm going over to Mother Goose's house, and I'm going to take it apart, piece-by-piece and brat-by-brat. Consider it your legacy.* Me: ...
excuse me but are you reading "yes i can" by sammy davis jr? yeh well the title of that book should be "yes i can. if frank sinatra says it is ok." cause frank calls the shots for all of those guys.
What makes Frank Fontaine so fascinating to me is how competitive he is. You get the sense that even before Rapture the guy was a Machiavellian manipulator who was willing to do anything to elevate status and control others. It’s hardly a god complex like Shodan, it’s more an elevated sense of self and a hunger to show himself as stronger than others.
In the book it's revealed Fontaine isn't even actually Fontaine.
Fontaine was a smuggler that started selling fish to Ryan's construction site.
Frank killed him and stole his boat and identity to get the fishing job and to learn more about rapture.
@@95keat Really? Man I didn't know that. So even his last name is a fake. There's no info of Frank before he became Frank Fontaine huh?
@@nono9543 he even coins the crime as the first "identity theft"....the book is of mixed quality
We know Frank was an orphan, learned how to lie from running away to the theater, and had many last names before conning a man out of his bar to listen in on the patrons and eventually learning of something being built in the Atlantic through said bar.
That said the book being canon is up for debate. It's owned by 2k with approval from Ken Levine but he hasn't actually read it or at least hadn't at the time and doesn't consider it canon himself.
41:40 That line is just too funny. Whoever said it was right, it is his best line.
Damn, say what you will about Fontaine, but he's smart and committed, he played everyone in Rapture for a fool and nearly got away with it, if he didn't give Tenenbaum the opportunity to free Jack from the spell he would've gotten away with the whole thing.
Something that annoys me is WHY did he try to kill jack though? The only reason Jack had a reason to go after fontaine is cause fontaine tried to kill him. Besides that, they didnt actually have beef. Fontaine could have just sent jack back top side and go about his life.
@@hidan407 Well after Ryan spilled the beans about what happened, as well as after seeing Suchong's tapes, Fontaine knew Jack probably wouldn't be too happy with him after knowing that Fontaine made his whole life a lie and just made him murder his own biological father.
@@Brainflayer Well Andrew forced Jack to kill him when he could have helped jack obtain his own free will. Idk I think Ryan is just weird. He learned that he could control jack just as much as fontaine could but still decided to make jack kill him.
Yeah its messed up that Jack was created cause of Fontaine and he did try to get jack to kill ryan even though it was Ryan who "pulled the trigger". Ryan could have won tbh but he gave up and says he is a man cause he *chose* to just give up.
I think everyone in rapture just needs real therapy and not from someone like Sofia who decided to just make everything worse.
@@hidan407 Fontaine always chooses murder, he probably doesn't trust anyone because he knows himself too well, anyone who could potentially beat him needed to go at some point in time because they couldn't be trusted to be by his side, especially those who had some sort of moral - they would end up giving up doing Fontaine's dirty work. Also, Jack was a liability when he was both a super soldier and conditioned to do what others wanted him to. Both Tenenbaum and Ryan knew how to pull Jack's strings, anyone else could learn as well. Andrew gave up in the end because he knew he couldn't stop Jack, he knew the WYK, but it was Fontaine and Tenenbaum who could really play with Jack's mind, there was no point for Ryan to fight back when Jack survived everything else Ryan threw his way.
@@molmolsmolses For a guy like fontaine to scheme so much, he never once thought that it should be a good idea to have jack ONLY listen to him and no one else?
They created him to be a super soldier from birth. I dont see why he didnt fully think it through to add things to make Jack the perfect weapon.
Yeah Fontaine is so used to betraying people that its natural now smh. What I hate though is that fontaine could have honestly saved rapture. He knew all the issues from the very start and didnt buy the bullshit. He really could have done extreme good and took over rapture without even needing to take a life.
Andrew Ryan's biggest Rival, same coin, different sides, one wants power, the other owns it.
Andrew Ryan didn’t want to take over the world..? Fontaine corrupted the city
As a person who does voicework for amateur things, I can clearly say that the voice actor must have enjoyed the 45:47 bit quite a lot. It's always my favorite when there is emotion in a line, and I get into character so deeply that my laughs are always genuine (even the villain laughs, lol). I bet it's the same here.
"I WANNA SPLICE TIL' THERE AIN'T NOTHIN' LEFT TO SPLICE WITH!"
This game is a masterpiece. I've owned it 4 different times on different systems and the remastered version
Sad that the remastered version is dog shit.
@@BoydTheMilkmanXWhy?
16:38 I never heard this quote before. Man, Bioshock has a ton of quotes in it.
it's kind of like with Doom Eternal. They made a game as a bonus for an audiobook
The Elizabeth quote at the end...holy crap, that was brutally satisfying
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That "you won't even walk till somebody says 'go'" line really stuck with me for some reason. Ryan's "A man chooses" speech is memorable, but I think this line also sums up the game's meta-commentary really well.
I like how frank laughs
34:30 Oh my god! Jack it's you, you're the Boyoshock!
nice work, BOYOO
Honestly I think Fontaine/Atlas is one of the most detestable villains in all of gaming
And one of the most fascinating? That's my perspective.
I wanted to choke him so many times bro while playing Bioshock man it was FUN but also ANNOYING, LIKE BRO SHUT Up aNd DiE!
In my perspective he was a genius. He saw a clear and opened loophole that ryan completely forgot. And he took it. It's Andrew's fault for not actually making sure that nobody else could try Replace him as mega Magnate.
@@lornbaker1083 oh he is a genius, but he’s fucking evil
Yep. Right up there next to Micah Bell from RD2, Mr. House from Fallout: Las Vegas, Delphine from Skyrim, and Abbey from TLOU 2.
YOU BROKE THE SPELL!! but laying all your chips on mother goose. 41:39.
2:10 I wonder if Drinkable plasmids was much more stable compared to the injectables and less likely to cause adam addiction
According to the wiki it was said to be even worse
@@_anterix_2953 Cost wise yes it was 10times more adam to create them and if you drink wayyyy too much it will show obvious signs of abuse like with slate and the crystals on his head.
I was wondering if the increase in cost actually stablized everything more and less likely to cause adam addiction because I never saw people showed the same abuse signs Rapture splicers did.
Fontaine, or his voice actor has such a good voice. If I could have any accent in the world, it would be Fontaine's
41:40 You broke the spell?!?!
Fontaine said calmly
Goofy Disney Villain line
14:48 This audio log is especially impressive. I’m not sure how they actually did it because Atlas and Fontaine have two different voice actors in the first game. Clever audio editing I suppose.
Same voice actor. Took a few takes but he changed his voice part way through the line. Greg Baldwin wasn't used in the end because test audiences didn't trust his voice, so when Karl Hanover recorded for Atlas, he also rerecorded Fontaine's lines. It isn't reflected in the game credits but he confirms that it was him in interviews - which is also why Karl was used to play Fontaine in both sequels
@@becksmumford5926 Oh, interesting! I’m watching an interview with Karl Hanover right now and yeah I guess he did do both voices. I will say it’s nice they at least credited Greg Baldwin even if they didn’t use his voice because it would suck to be him and do all that work and then not have any of it credited.
@dextergrif I'm glad Greg got credit for his intial work but it sucks that people don't realise we hear Karl in the game
@@becksmumford5926 True, I wish they clarified that in the credits.
It's really nice seeing all these in order
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Nice done! I've discovered some new quotes and it's amazing how many hidden things there are in Bioshock. Thank you!
Thanks for uploading again! It's really interesting to hear these in chronological order
Merry Christmas (:
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Fontaine if he had been beaten to death by a Splicer.
Come on now, kid. You wanna get serious!?
Frank Fountaine: *Look around you! There's nothing to save! Rapture's a mausoleum, a god damn cemetery funhouse. And you and the Kraut is just ghosts. Just a matter of time till you realize it.*
Me: ...
Frank Fountaine: *You think turning yourself into one of those tin men is a two-way street? The Kraut's holding auditions for the Frankenstein parade, and you're first in line!*
Me: ...
Frank Fountaine: *Has Mother Goose really got her hooks into you. You can knock Ryan all you want, but the old man was bingo on one point of fact: you won't even walk till somebody says "go"!*
Me: ...
Frank Fountaine: *You're playing a bad hand, kid! You're just too spliced to smell it! Roll on back to Mother Goose now, or everything's gonna go busto!*
Me: ...
Frank Fountaine: *I'd turn tail if I were you, kid. Ain't nothin' here for you but tears.*
Me: ...
Frank Fountaine: *You pushed me too far, kid. When you're cold and stiff, I'm going over to Mother Goose's house, and I'm going to take it apart, piece-by-piece and brat-by-brat. Consider it your legacy.*
Me: ...
Corporate evil personified
excuse me but are you reading "yes i can" by sammy davis jr? yeh well the title of that book should be "yes i can. if frank sinatra says it is ok." cause frank calls the shots for all of those guys.
Did you hear commstock soudefect in Fontain final mesidges?
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