I think the real problem is that the Final Fantasy game mechanic clash with the action combat. Sure you have these abilities, but you’re limited to only 3 eikons which harms combo potential, there’s cooldowns, and the enemies are still spongy which means you kinda get tired at certain points.
Its not bad, but it gets repetitive, as the cooldowns take a long time and you only have a 4 combo attack and no strong attack, wish they added a longer moveset for the base attack and a strong attack.
cooldowns are not long, the fuck you on about? You literally have 3 rotations. Just don't spam combo everything and you'll get results, and it will look much nicer than simply smashing your controller/keyboard
It's no surprise really that this game is being called that when the devs stated that they wanted this game to be accessible for everyone. Called it ages ago but oh well even dmc gets called a button masher and bayonetta a flashy dark souls 🤷♂️
@@trollaseum6174I think people forget what the whole point of a controller is. You're supposed to be pressing buttons. What are you not able to be pressing buttons you want to sit there with your finger up your ass and just watch cutscenes I swear people don't know what the f*** they want they don't make up their minds that's just an excuse not to play the game because they're jealous of an actual good game which is why the video game community is so toxic for the most part.
Yes, there's no strategy, you basically spam dodge on everything and destroy the enemies with your overpowered skills. You can make some sick combos just for the looks, but you don't need to. 99% of the encounters are just brainless fights, just like this one.
It’s crazy I’m not good at fighting games but ff7 remake combat was way better than this. All I have to on this game is dodge and hit square/triangle for the most part
@@Jaykurosakii7R’s combat has some issues. The almost always useless dodge and the hardly useful block. The party members rarely have an ounce of self preservation in them. There’s no jump to deal with flying enemies. Boss fights get interrupted by cutscenes mid-fight with no clear indication as to when the cutscenes are triggered. But it’s very accessible. Essentially has a built in turn-based mode by the way of using the menu. It’s a great way of blending action gameplay and the original’s ATB gameplay.
I thouht the game was fun but the combat couldve been much better; its weird bc the dmc5 combat designer was on this but still forgot to add things such as different combos for melee attacks so you only ever have 4 I think itd also be neat if there was some damage multiplier for doing long combos, would give more incentive to be agressive and juggle enemies around as opposed to an arbitrary rating that appears on the screen
He didn't forget that stuff - the appeal of DMC has never been with how many combo strings a character has. For a novice player maybe, but, once you move beyond that what makes the games fun is the different tech and the creative things you can do to link different attacks together that can not be linked normally. These are things FF16 is full of, lots of different animation cancels, lots of multi-tasking since you can charge abilities while animation locked, tons of control over the physics system, and so on. Combo strings are basically key jangling for normies and low skill players. So if we were going to point out a problem it'd be that he had too much faith in people understanding how you're supposed to play a game like DMC. Which I do agree with actually, but for anyone who is actually good at action games FF16 has a lot of fun systems to play with. You can literally see it in this video.
For there first attempt i give then credit is the first game to be actually hack and slash they are not use to making this type of game so im guessing it was a challenge to them they did a good job yeah i wish the basic combo had more into it but is a ok game worth buying the story was very good and everything's else is not perfect but a good game
I enjoyed the fame, but the combat is holding me back from replaying it, i loved the ost, the world,the characters. Just wish the combat was something like monster hunter where i want to challenge my self for fun
LOL Your comment section is absolute comedy. Either people who don't have the brain matter to detect sarcasm or people who got triggered to validate their "turn-based superiority" It's funny when you realise these are people in their mid-30s who spend time of their day to mald over the internet about how a publically traded company hasn't made a game that appealed to them for almost 2 decades. Also saying "just mash one button" when ironically you can beat the large majority of all turn-based Final Fantasy games by just spamming "Attack" over and over, but surely these people think you need true skill, talent and a PHD to beat turn-based games.
Yeah dude lmao. I didn't see these typa comments a lot with the ff7 remake which is pretty ironic. Once rebirth comes out, double standards are for sure gonna show up
Finally someone with more than 2 brain cells, I swear people just repeat what they hear on the internet because they're too stupid or lazy to form an opinion on their own
My favourite commenters are the ones complaining the new combat is nothing like FF. No one in their right mind is playing these games for the combat. I doubt these people have even touched an older title in years because anyone older than ten would find fights the most boring aspect of these games. There's a reason the most hyped up games in this franchise are the heavily story-driven ones like VII and X and it's not for their combat systems that's for sure. I'm glad XVI has this in depth of a combat system because frankly I don't like the direction the story took that much. However, instead of dropping it like I have with a lot of other FF titles, I'm still trying to complete the game because I find the combat interesting enough to keep going.
Because all your abilities are on a cool down. Imagine making an action game where you gotta wait for your special and only press your 4 hit basic combo you have through the entire game
Agreed. That is actually my biggest gripe with the game's systems. They shoulda went the GOW route and added a bunch of non cooldown moves while also having moves with cooldown if that's what they wanna go for.
@@trollaseum6174You guys are complaining about nothing. If there were no cooldowns, these fights would be a breeze. You can easily beat bosses on the hardest difficulty with timing and the right gear
@@chriswheeler5808 the game's a breeze either way. Enemies aren't aggressive and higher difficulties didn't change that. Difficulty isn't my problem here but the lack of moves outside the cooldown-based abilities is my main gripe. Once I'm all out and waiting, I've got nothing else but the 4 hit combo and burning blade with the addition of charge shots and eikon feats. I just don't like playing action games feeling limited and gets boring fast for me at least. If I ever wanna switch to a difficult character action game, I'd just hop on dmc3 or any of the ninja gaiden games and crank it to max difficulty. I hope that cleared up any misunderstanding
@@trollaseum6174i feel that’s where gow did great at but you have a lot of weapon choices with cooldowns but even when you run out the combos are really creative and make it always feel fresh
@@trollaseum6174 I have a couple combo videos from ffxvi too and there are definitely weirdos in the comments. Like bruh whatever happened to having fun with games lmfao
@@dyer_wav people play games like jobs nowadays. If the game aint dangling keys in front of most players, they'd have no clue on what to do (souls games encouraging no mashing and sekiro with the big red kanji telling players to jump or dodge etc.)
That's why a lot of the time, when some players watch stylish videos of action games they get so surprised that u can do a whole lot of crazy things with the systems and mechanics
If there isn't something that will stop them from playing brain-dead (like with hi fi rush's beat system), they'll out themselves and continue to do so Edit: and blame the game for it
Combat would have been much more fun with different sets of weapons. Like spear for Bahamut, gloves for Titan, and so on. So swpping Eikon would swap the weapon as well. It would give usage to all the materials you find and a shit ton of extra work for good old Blackthorne
I want to get it but I’m new to ff and i don’t know in depth the combat goes compared to games like gow and dmc did you enjoy the game just trynna get other opinions
@@gogetum5186 as my first ff game i loved it, though it still carries a bunch of flaws. I really liked the combat, but playing other action games I realized yeah it could've been better but I still enjoyed it for what it was. It also has flaws with side quests, pacing issues in the middle of the game. Even with its flaws, I still liked the story and the combat, its one of my favorite games I've played.
I had tons of fun with the combat in 16. Sure, you could equip nothing but the big cutscene eikon abilities and spam them every time they're off cooldown and win fights, but that's no fun. I use phoenix/garuda/shiva and all mobility/aerial skills. I spend half the time in the air zipping around, pulling enemies up to me, slamming them down, relaunching them, and doing it all again. Its hella fun and also effective for winning fights.
Bro..are you clickbaiting cause this is some fire gameplay I would love to see you do more sick shit like I’m not gonna like you made me want to play this game fuck…
Yes and no lol. I made this vid as a bait to collect brainrot comments. I don't play the game as much anymore, prolly will when the next dlc drops. If u want more ff16 gameplay then check out calihei and selch lightwarden. Two of which I consider the best players of this game to the point where the way I played the game last time was a fusion of both their playstyles.
This game was great but combat could have been better. 4 hit melee combo is not enough fun even with the magic burst, so eventually gameplay becomes use your skills, repeat 4 hit combo until cooldown resets. It would have been so much better if there were more base skills to play with the combos because lunge and 4 hit combo is not enough substance for how long this game is.
I like the normal mode combat, but Final Fantasy mode changes the way some encounters work. Sometimes you have to wait to use a cooldown or to attack and pay attention in sorroudings, and this breaks the monotony of "evade, 4 hits, skill" and tranforms it into something a little bit more tactical and positioning instead of comboing everything into oblivion. Perfect dodge being so easy to do is still a thing that could be changed tho
the thing that looks to me as a problem is the ammount of health the opponents have you have to beat them up for 10 minutes to get their health half way the combat looks great but it is also a waste of cool powers when they do no damage
Yep. Enemies fall into two categories: fodder that's so weak the mechanics aren't even relevant to defeat them and sponges with so much hp nothing you do feels impactful at all.
Way better than pushing the same button over and over again. Old games didnt really have strategy, like you have to think a lot to hit an enemy with a weakness.
@kickingbackpunchingcones4099did you guys expect an action game should be like typing on a keyboard writing a sentence but in a controller? Pressing multiple buttons at the same time? IQ levels below zero I guess
Imma be honest, the gameplay isn't that complex and it sure had more potential, but I still believe that even if it's that basic, it can still look very fun just like this gameplay of yours
Amazing video! Idk why tf casuals complain and whine there is not much to do in the game. It's called, creativity and you certainty proved that. That's like a DMC player that only knows how to melee and shoot and never presses R1(I have friends who have done it for DMC4 it's fooken hilarious)😂
I didn't play the game myself but from what I saw in this clip it bro did every combo in existence and the boss was sitting down in disappointment and be like "You did all that for a mere drop of blood?"
I have 4 problems with the combat: 1. You can *button mash* the hell outta it because you don't feel a NEED to play strategically to beat the game. 2. It's a *simplified* version of DMC combat. Inputs require no skill to pull the moves off, and a significant number of said moves is taken straight from the DMC games *_(Helm Breaker, Charged Shot, Snatch, Enemy Step, Stinger)_* 3. Too much *visual noise--* oftentimes can't see what's going on, on the screen. 4. When I'm playing Oldschool Medieval Fantasy theme'd games, I have this rule that to make it feel really atmospheric, *the combat needs to be Down-to-Earth,* just like the rest of the world is. Which means, my character mustn't move like some shounen Anime demigod protagonist, since that kills the vibe of hardship and conservativeness of that era. This is partly why I like combat in Dark Souls, Dragon Age Origins, Witcher 1, Kingdoms of Amalur, Risen, Classic WoW or Fable. And what makes all of it worse, is that the combat is pretty much the only thing going on for this game. The RPG elements are minimalistic, and that includes the World Exploration.
@@shanebluesky7452 Stop acting disingenuously just because you hate the truth, unless you actually expect game developers to design each of their titles the same way...
@@turbotrup96it’s your choice to play the way you want to, not the developers fault for your gameplay. Ever heard of experimentation maybe you should try that
@@shadowmomochiuchiha6839 Hahaha generic is the ff8 a love story all cliché and boring with a stupid story with giant plot holes and lousy characters Zidane >>>>>> Squallzzzzzzz FF9 >>>>>>> FF8ZZZZZZ
In ff7 you have more choices to make, and you can set up a strategy with Materia combinations. Ff16 has dmc influence, but limited combat. How is that even possible??
@@GottEddy useless choices that had you to spam potion after potion after potion lmao. Yall are so spoiled by dmc 5 combat you expected ff 16 to dmc 6💀
I’m good at actually parrying with my sword so to me the combat is great. I’d honestly change the easy mode dodge. It’s so forgiving also all these enemies in the field and they barely attack you.
Its a masterpiece from the best action genre people. People from kingdom hearts and nier were involved. And the OG DMC COMBAT DIRECTOR made it. Though it was way too easy but after ff mode i love it.
I think people overrared this game too much, especially in its combat design. And it's coming from a dmc players that obsessed with getting an S on every level. After finishinh dmc 5 all I want to do is to do it again. Playing ff 16 makes me feel that I can't wait to finish it so I don't have to play it anymore.
I'm in the exact same boat but I can't quite figure out why. In a vacuum, FF16 is a lot of fun and it's combat is crisp... why is it not nearly as fun as DMC, then?
@@ulquiorracifer9205 But it's not Final fantasy outside of the thematics either... After around FFX / FFXI it's become about referencing the old school games but abandoning most game mechanics from those games, rather than improve or innovate with them. If you start making action games, be prepared to be compared to other devs doing action games. Because so far the RPG stuff / semblance of choices is looking very thin on the ground. No party setup, no jobs
@@spikey288 what's the point of doing that? It's not like the game rewards you for it. It'd get boring real fast when there's no purpose for trying different combos, just use the strongest moves.
A flashy power fantasy is combat? Boring indeed. I'll tell you what's exciting. Facing a terrifying enemy, getting cornered and scrambling to find a way out, HP entering the danger zone multiple times, using every tool in your toolbox, pushing on and surviving until victory or defeat. That's what makes combat exciting. Fighting means struggling to survive.
There are enemies that block - though not many - but you will likely have their guard broken with something before noticing they are blocking haha FF7R combat is absolutely superior though
Agreed, by the end of the game enemies are just sponges that absorb damage and the fastest way to beat them is by spamming abilities. Besides that I don't think the combat design is anything special tbh. Compared to devil may cry 5 this game is completely lacking. I don't know how to describe it, but dmc 5 is never tiring, it's always engaging and you feel awesome doing it. Here it's just boils down to quickly spamming your abilities while the boss is staggered.
I think you didn’t play the game, for all the attacks he had to change the eikon, press the ability of the eikon, than it’s passive, then press the normal attack bottom, than do a combo extender and then repeat the process. each one of these use a different button of the controller. Please don’t give your opinion on the game if you haven’t played it entirely.
@@g2monkig718 None of those matter because you'd get similar results just by mashing. This aint DMC or Bayonetta where pulling stylish combos rewards you for being creative nor it was versatile as those said games. FFXVI literally spoonfeeds you everything and the combat is literally brain dead since its just QTEs and walking sponges
@@ArielJLuna Dont even need cheat rings to beat this game. Hell, you can finish this game with your starting equipment and minimal upgrades Play and beat something like Ninja Gaiden or Tenchu then brag about being "skilled" on your baby's first action game.
Is this supposed to be a big deal? Game still boring as hell. Sponge damage uninteresting enemies, combos are extremelly shallow. It is just spectacle that rquires 0 effort on any difficulty
A bunch of particle and other flashy effects don't make any combat system good. Didn't play it. Maybe it's really good, but this videos proves nothing.
That's another thing many people, especially newbies, omit. Many games had impressive-looking combat decades ago, like East Asian MMOs, and yet it was WoW that has conquered people's hearts, not a flashy weapon trails of the korean games.
That's another thing many people, especially newbies, omit. Many games had impressive-looking combat decades ago, like East Asian MMOs, and yet it was WoW that has conquered people's hearts, not a flashy weapon trails of the korean games.
Okay now wait for all of your abilities to refresh and mash them all again then press square square square square triangle then maybe circle then hold square and jump and press square square square square triangle. ohhhh then you can use another eikon ability then press square square square square triangle dont forget to press R1 dodge. Welcome to final fantasy XVI the most overrated game in a LONG time with the most repetitive combat and mind numbingly boring tedious missions in the whole series. The cutscenes and the boss battles are the only good parts of the game and there are some really nice cutscenes that are locked behind shitty fetch quests. The entire game is go here talk to them fight this fight that cutscene talk to them fight in this hallway cutscene boss fight cutscene over and over and over again. Currently nearing the end only enduring because i like the characters and story the game is an absolute chore.
Yeah, everything you just described is SOOOOOO much more boring and repetitive, requires less though and strategy than just waiting for a turn to come up and hitting X for attack and sitting back to do it again.
@@Eversoul12just because you beat the game twice that doesn't make you good. Any casual gamer can beat this game. Making combat look and feel fun on the other hand takes skills, which is something you obviously lack lol
@@fluffybuns2001what a stupid ass argument xD _"To have fun, you can't just play the game and finish it, you actually have to know how to play it MY way. You actually need dedication to work your way up to have fun, to be able to enjoy this 70$ game. The devs don't own you anything, you noob!"_
@@fluffybuns2001Making the game fun is the developers' job, not the player's. If you need to pull off vapid combos that look flashy because the attacks in the game are all hits with big animations on timers to make the game "look and feel fun" the developers failed. Especially when these combos end up being less efficient than less flashy gameplay
@@beaup.2643games are fun because you make it be. That's why devs are giving you a variety of tools and a variety of difficulties for you to use and play with and make your own fun, if you can't do that then you're the one with the issue here not the game.
Combat feels awful, spamming square till skills are off cooldown or add in an awkward triangle between squares, no idea when to dodge off screen enemies surrounding you and flaming sword etc doing barely any more dmg than a basic spam attack... bring back turn based...
no its just boring spammy combat.@@ulquiorracifer9205 you spam 1 attack till cooldowns are off like an Mobile game them spam all the cooldowns then go back top spamming Basic attack.
Thats why there are gameplay helpers for mentally challenged people like you. Hell, do you seriously think a 60 hour game would be praised if 90% of its content which is combat was bad? Why? Because square has been getting so much praise recently by the industry. Can you even comprehend that your lack of basic reflex and hand eye cordination is whats at fault when there are literally countless people giving specifically that part of the game praise…
@@Astreon123 Erm yeah I did, ni paid attention to the awful soammy combo system thay feels awful and has more cool down than a world of warcraft paladin.
To me its just immensely jarring to see the action vs the health. I guess that goes back to JRPG tropes, but if you're not trying to be much of a JRPG anymore, one of the first things to do is make sure you new combat matches what's actually going on in the screen. The player is dealing off enough power to end a small country, they got the voice actor grunting and straining on some of these attacks like he's putting his all into it, and then that all translates to watching the equivalent of a loading bar that's barely even crawling, and this isn't even the full fight! Player is 10 levels down from an enemy, so maybe that has something to do with- wait, wtf, where's the challenge from the enemy then?
This game is utter garbage. FF15 is MILES better than this and I dont even liked that one tbh...FF7 Remake is the best FF since FFX and Rebirth will be even better.
@@yubunleng5927 I've played the game, that is a copy paste game it literally has the exact same combos from Dynasty warriors, Dynasty warriors gundam, one piece, bleach soul ignition. It is literally a cheap copy paste game that they use for anime games it literally uses the same combos across all games even the map and game design is the same. Here is a mob of 100 enemies who barely have 1 attack animation. Go beat em up. Ff could learn to add more combos for sure but they should stay far away from copying it especially in terms of game design
I think the real problem is that the Final Fantasy game mechanic clash with the action combat. Sure you have these abilities, but you’re limited to only 3 eikons which harms combo potential, there’s cooldowns, and the enemies are still spongy which means you kinda get tired at certain points.
I don’t think this game has FF mechanics to be honest
@@willuigi64 100% right, its not ff anymore
spongy enemies is the real problem
Enemies don’t knock u out of ainmation and have no weight to them I never died once in the game is wack asf
@@willuigi64 I agree, I meant that they felt like they HAD to add spongy enemies since it’s a FF game
Its not bad, but it gets repetitive, as the cooldowns take a long time and you only have a 4 combo attack and no strong attack, wish they added a longer moveset for the base attack and a strong attack.
Naaa it's more of this
cooldowns are not long, the fuck you on about? You literally have 3 rotations. Just don't spam combo everything and you'll get results, and it will look much nicer than simply smashing your controller/keyboard
@@leoleo1035spam combo is the best strategy though as you will get your cooldowns back faster thus using them as often as possible that way
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It's no surprise really that this game is being called that when the devs stated that they wanted this game to be accessible for everyone. Called it ages ago but oh well even dmc gets called a button masher and bayonetta a flashy dark souls 🤷♂️
@@trollaseum6174I think people forget what the whole point of a controller is. You're supposed to be pressing buttons. What are you not able to be pressing buttons you want to sit there with your finger up your ass and just watch cutscenes I swear people don't know what the f*** they want they don't make up their minds that's just an excuse not to play the game because they're jealous of an actual good game which is why the video game community is so toxic for the most part.
Yes, there's no strategy, you basically spam dodge on everything and destroy the enemies with your overpowered skills. You can make some sick combos just for the looks, but you don't need to. 99% of the encounters are just brainless fights, just like this one.
It’s crazy I’m not good at fighting games but ff7 remake combat was way better than this. All I have to on this game is dodge and hit square/triangle for the most part
@@Jaykurosakii7R’s combat has some issues. The almost always useless dodge and the hardly useful block. The party members rarely have an ounce of self preservation in them. There’s no jump to deal with flying enemies. Boss fights get interrupted by cutscenes mid-fight with no clear indication as to when the cutscenes are triggered. But it’s very accessible. Essentially has a built in turn-based mode by the way of using the menu. It’s a great way of blending action gameplay and the original’s ATB gameplay.
I thouht the game was fun but the combat couldve been much better; its weird bc the dmc5 combat designer was on this but still forgot to add things such as different combos for melee attacks so you only ever have 4
I think itd also be neat if there was some damage multiplier for doing long combos, would give more incentive to be agressive and juggle enemies around as opposed to an arbitrary rating that appears on the screen
He didn't forget that stuff - the appeal of DMC has never been with how many combo strings a character has. For a novice player maybe, but, once you move beyond that what makes the games fun is the different tech and the creative things you can do to link different attacks together that can not be linked normally. These are things FF16 is full of, lots of different animation cancels, lots of multi-tasking since you can charge abilities while animation locked, tons of control over the physics system, and so on.
Combo strings are basically key jangling for normies and low skill players. So if we were going to point out a problem it'd be that he had too much faith in people understanding how you're supposed to play a game like DMC. Which I do agree with actually, but for anyone who is actually good at action games FF16 has a lot of fun systems to play with. You can literally see it in this video.
@@StephenTheZ i don't see anything close to DMC in this video... he was just spamming there were no tech involved
@@fazeslasher7927so you’re saying that you can do it? Exactly as in the video?
@@raisylvaine8398 wdym? Of course i can spam all my cooldown attacks
Every game that isn't a souls like is "brainless button mashing" for game reviewers
Just let people enjoy what they enjoy like damn
Every hack n slash can be called a button masher if that's the mentality people approach the games and never bother to experiment
Hey look, an anti-critique retard.
For there first attempt i give then credit is the first game to be actually hack and slash they are not use to making this type of game so im guessing it was a challenge to them they did a good job yeah i wish the basic combo had more into it but is a ok game worth buying the story was very good and everything's else is not perfect but a good game
I enjoyed the fame, but the combat is holding me back from replaying it, i loved the ost, the world,the characters. Just wish the combat was something like monster hunter where i want to challenge my self for fun
@@jesseperez4185nothing beats monster hunter in terms of combat
LOL Your comment section is absolute comedy. Either people who don't have the brain matter to detect sarcasm or people who got triggered to validate their "turn-based superiority"
It's funny when you realise these are people in their mid-30s who spend time of their day to mald over the internet about how a publically traded company hasn't made a game that appealed to them for almost 2 decades.
Also saying "just mash one button" when ironically you can beat the large majority of all turn-based Final Fantasy games by just spamming "Attack" over and over, but surely these people think you need true skill, talent and a PHD to beat turn-based games.
Yeah dude lmao. I didn't see these typa comments a lot with the ff7 remake which is pretty ironic. Once rebirth comes out, double standards are for sure gonna show up
Finally someone with more than 2 brain cells, I swear people just repeat what they hear on the internet because they're too stupid or lazy to form an opinion on their own
My favourite commenters are the ones complaining the new combat is nothing like FF. No one in their right mind is playing these games for the combat. I doubt these people have even touched an older title in years because anyone older than ten would find fights the most boring aspect of these games. There's a reason the most hyped up games in this franchise are the heavily story-driven ones like VII and X and it's not for their combat systems that's for sure.
I'm glad XVI has this in depth of a combat system because frankly I don't like the direction the story took that much. However, instead of dropping it like I have with a lot of other FF titles, I'm still trying to complete the game because I find the combat interesting enough to keep going.
Because all your abilities are on a cool down. Imagine making an action game where you gotta wait for your special and only press your 4 hit basic combo you have through the entire game
Agreed. That is actually my biggest gripe with the game's systems. They shoulda went the GOW route and added a bunch of non cooldown moves while also having moves with cooldown if that's what they wanna go for.
Or just, not have any on cooldown like every other action game lol
@@trollaseum6174You guys are complaining about nothing. If there were no cooldowns, these fights would be a breeze. You can easily beat bosses on the hardest difficulty with timing and the right gear
@@chriswheeler5808 the game's a breeze either way. Enemies aren't aggressive and higher difficulties didn't change that. Difficulty isn't my problem here but the lack of moves outside the cooldown-based abilities is my main gripe. Once I'm all out and waiting, I've got nothing else but the 4 hit combo and burning blade with the addition of charge shots and eikon feats. I just don't like playing action games feeling limited and gets boring fast for me at least. If I ever wanna switch to a difficult character action game, I'd just hop on dmc3 or any of the ninja gaiden games and crank it to max difficulty. I hope that cleared up any misunderstanding
@@trollaseum6174i feel that’s where gow did great at but you have a lot of weapon choices with cooldowns but even when you run out the combos are really creative and make it always feel fresh
God damn your comment section is fucking hilarious hahahah.
Frfr it's a cesspool lmao
@@trollaseum6174 I have a couple combo videos from ffxvi too and there are definitely weirdos in the comments. Like bruh whatever happened to having fun with games lmfao
@@dyer_wav people play games like jobs nowadays. If the game aint dangling keys in front of most players, they'd have no clue on what to do (souls games encouraging no mashing and sekiro with the big red kanji telling players to jump or dodge etc.)
That's why a lot of the time, when some players watch stylish videos of action games they get so surprised that u can do a whole lot of crazy things with the systems and mechanics
If there isn't something that will stop them from playing brain-dead (like with hi fi rush's beat system), they'll out themselves and continue to do so
Edit: and blame the game for it
Combat would have been much more fun with different sets of weapons. Like spear for Bahamut, gloves for Titan, and so on. So swpping Eikon would swap the weapon as well. It would give usage to all the materials you find and a shit ton of extra work for good old Blackthorne
So the dot hack// G.U system
IDK if you noticed but the whole point of the game was to be a straightforward hack and slash with absolutely no choices
@@Sennacherib-e9gwhich is something nobody wants
Bro the game looks like it actually runs decent on videos literally baited me into buying it then i played the actual 12 fps game and was sad
I want to get it but I’m new to ff and i don’t know in depth the combat goes compared to games like gow and dmc did you enjoy the game just trynna get other opinions
@@gogetum5186 as my first ff game i loved it, though it still carries a bunch of flaws. I really liked the combat, but playing other action games I realized yeah it could've been better but I still enjoyed it for what it was. It also has flaws with side quests, pacing issues in the middle of the game. Even with its flaws, I still liked the story and the combat, its one of my favorite games I've played.
@@gogetum5186for what it's worth, this game's combat has very little to do with other mainline games (except for maybe 7 remake)
I stopped half way through game. Got tired of clive grunting
It’s really a good game, love FF16
I had tons of fun with the combat in 16. Sure, you could equip nothing but the big cutscene eikon abilities and spam them every time they're off cooldown and win fights, but that's no fun. I use phoenix/garuda/shiva and all mobility/aerial skills. I spend half the time in the air zipping around, pulling enemies up to me, slamming them down, relaunching them, and doing it all again. Its hella fun and also effective for winning fights.
so you spent half the time doing the same thing over and over, aka literally what everyone here is complaining about.
@@Sennacherib-e9g Actually Viralshark spend half the time having fun which is what everyone else is complaining about not having
Bro..are you clickbaiting cause this is some fire gameplay I would love to see you do more sick shit like I’m not gonna like you made me want to play this game fuck…
Yes and no lol. I made this vid as a bait to collect brainrot comments. I don't play the game as much anymore, prolly will when the next dlc drops. If u want more ff16 gameplay then check out calihei and selch lightwarden. Two of which I consider the best players of this game to the point where the way I played the game last time was a fusion of both their playstyles.
That was some awesome and creative gameplay. Definitely fun to watch.
Simpleton
Too bad it isn't fun to play.
Same could be said for the entire Ff series
someone's not good at playing
This game was great but combat could have been better. 4 hit melee combo is not enough fun even with the magic burst, so eventually gameplay becomes use your skills, repeat 4 hit combo until cooldown resets. It would have been so much better if there were more base skills to play with the combos because lunge and 4 hit combo is not enough substance for how long this game is.
I like the normal mode combat, but Final Fantasy mode changes the way some encounters work. Sometimes you have to wait to use a cooldown or to attack and pay attention in sorroudings, and this breaks the monotony of "evade, 4 hits, skill" and tranforms it into something a little bit more tactical and positioning instead of comboing everything into oblivion. Perfect dodge being so easy to do is still a thing that could be changed tho
the thing that looks to me as a problem is the ammount of health the opponents have you have to beat them up for 10 minutes to get their health half way the combat looks great but it is also a waste of cool powers when they do no damage
Yep. Enemies fall into two categories: fodder that's so weak the mechanics aren't even relevant to defeat them and sponges with so much hp nothing you do feels impactful at all.
So much better than FFXV.
Way better than pushing the same button over and over again. Old games didnt really have strategy, like you have to think a lot to hit an enemy with a weakness.
The comment section is so toxic omg
Can you say that a little slower?
Just keep tapping square.
😔
@kickingbackpunchingcones4099did you guys expect an action game should be like typing on a keyboard writing a sentence but in a controller? Pressing multiple buttons at the same time? IQ levels below zero I guess
@kickingbackpunchingcones4099not rly 💀
Well just return keeping tapping X poor boy 😂
@kickingbackpunchingcones4099plenty of video games have that quit with the excuses
Imma be honest, the gameplay isn't that complex and it sure had more potential, but I still believe that even if it's that basic, it can still look very fun just like this gameplay of yours
how about the prep system? is it like ff12 at least?
Amazing video! Idk why tf casuals complain and whine there is not much to do in the game. It's called, creativity and you certainty proved that. That's like a DMC player that only knows how to melee and shoot and never presses R1(I have friends who have done it for DMC4 it's fooken hilarious)😂
Either way you want to show it, this game is a flashy button masher
Cry bot 🤣
learn to play
@saif_shahid1 why? The game is too easy and doesn't reward you for getting better.
I didn't play the game myself but from what I saw in this clip it bro did every combo in existence and the boss was sitting down in disappointment and be like "You did all that for a mere drop of blood?"
How do you input the combo?
flashy particle effects =/= good combat
That's like saying Devil May Cry has boring combat
I have 4 problems with the combat:
1. You can *button mash* the hell outta it because you don't feel a NEED to play strategically to beat the game.
2. It's a *simplified* version of DMC combat.
Inputs require no skill to pull the moves off, and a significant number of said moves is taken straight from the DMC games *_(Helm Breaker, Charged Shot, Snatch, Enemy Step, Stinger)_*
3. Too much *visual noise--* oftentimes can't see what's going on, on the screen.
4. When I'm playing Oldschool Medieval Fantasy theme'd games, I have this rule that to make it feel really atmospheric, *the combat needs to be Down-to-Earth,* just like the rest of the world is.
Which means, my character mustn't move like some shounen Anime demigod protagonist, since that kills the vibe of hardship and conservativeness of that era.
This is partly why I like combat in Dark Souls, Dragon Age Origins, Witcher 1, Kingdoms of Amalur, Risen, Classic WoW or Fable.
And what makes all of it worse, is that the combat is pretty much the only thing going on for this game.
The RPG elements are minimalistic, and that includes the World Exploration.
Of course it resembles dmc. The combat director made this. Genius
@@shanebluesky7452 Stop acting disingenuously just because you hate the truth, unless you actually expect game developers to design each of their titles the same way...
@@turbotrup96it’s your choice to play the way you want to, not the developers fault for your gameplay. Ever heard of experimentation maybe you should try that
@@myherobeaste7 It actually is their fault because the game is so easy it's not trying to force you to play differently.
Some people just can’t tell what a sarcasm is.
That’s because some of us aren’t being sarcastic
i miss JRPG final fantasies. ofc final fantasy 8 is peak final fantasy tho
FF9 its the maxima final Fantasy
@@animexplayer59 ff9?! the mc is so generic squall>>>>zidaine
@@shadowmomochiuchiha6839 Hahaha generic is the ff8 a love story all cliché and boring with a stupid story with giant plot holes and lousy characters Zidane >>>>>> Squallzzzzzzz
FF9 >>>>>>> FF8ZZZZZZ
@@shadowmomochiuchiha6839 FF9 in metacritic = 94
FF8 = 90
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@animexplayer59 ff8 is still a better game. Fact.
Even if it’s sarcasm some of you don’t realize ff7 remake combat was nothing special either.
In ff7 you have more choices to make, and you can set up a strategy with Materia combinations. Ff16 has dmc influence, but limited combat. How is that even possible??
@@GottEddy useless choices that had you to spam potion after potion after potion lmao. Yall are so spoiled by dmc 5 combat you expected ff 16 to dmc 6💀
@@ulquiorracifer9205 You don't need to spam potions, what are you talking about
It was way better than this df, you must of sucked
@@GottEddy ignorant towards the truth.
If you want strong thumbs, it's the right game. If you want challenge, looks elsewhere.
This but unironically
Nice Sequence :D
It is boring
It's just spamming abilities
Your normal combo is just there and you can't combo threw it
You’re boring
I’m good at actually parrying with my sword so to me the combat is great. I’d honestly change the easy mode dodge. It’s so forgiving also all these enemies in the field and they barely attack you.
Holy fuck
Its a masterpiece from the best action genre people. People from kingdom hearts and nier were involved. And the OG DMC COMBAT DIRECTOR made it. Though it was way too easy but after ff mode i love it.
I think people overrared this game too much, especially in its combat design. And it's coming from a dmc players that obsessed with getting an S on every level. After finishinh dmc 5 all I want to do is to do it again. Playing ff 16 makes me feel that I can't wait to finish it so I don't have to play it anymore.
I'm in the exact same boat but I can't quite figure out why. In a vacuum, FF16 is a lot of fun and it's combat is crisp... why is it not nearly as fun as DMC, then?
Cause it’s not supposed to be DMC it’s final fantasy lmaoo. Y’all are really simple minded and always want more then what’s given.
@@ulquiorracifer9205you out hear steel parrying all these comments 😂😂. Been Reading your replies throughout this comment section
@@ulquiorracifer9205 But it's not Final fantasy outside of the thematics either... After around FFX / FFXI it's become about referencing the old school games but abandoning most game mechanics from those games, rather than improve or innovate with them.
If you start making action games, be prepared to be compared to other devs doing action games. Because so far the RPG stuff / semblance of choices is looking very thin on the ground. No party setup, no jobs
@@4meaninreachin 🤣
Stupid button smash. What they did with Final Fantasy... RIP
This game sucks lol
gotta love braindead combat without strategy ❤
This is what happens when you choose an mmo developer to make an action game ☝️ The game is 90% npc dialogue 🤢
Me spending 70% of my time in game fighting, speccing and trying out awesome combos while you miss out: 🤠
@@spikey288 what's the point of doing that? It's not like the game rewards you for it. It'd get boring real fast when there's no purpose for trying different combos, just use the strongest moves.
@@date5960 The point, my friend, is called: having fun. With a video game. Ever heard about that?
@@dragoncrashhero12no he hasn't. Which is why he's here complaining about absolutely nothing but being toxic bait waiting for people to reply.
@@date5960cause you’re simple minded and don’t know how to have fun.
A flashy power fantasy is combat? Boring indeed.
I'll tell you what's exciting. Facing a terrifying enemy, getting cornered and scrambling to find a way out, HP entering the danger zone multiple times, using every tool in your toolbox, pushing on and surviving until victory or defeat. That's what makes combat exciting.
Fighting means struggling to survive.
Agree iam enjoying the game but when i see a ton of enemys i hust sigh because my fingers are tired from mashing
Sad thing is the enemy npc don’t block, don’t dodge, and don’t riposte. Very very boring compared to ghost of Tsushima and ff7 remake ☝️
There are enemies that block - though not many - but you will likely have their guard broken with something before noticing they are blocking haha FF7R combat is absolutely superior though
Agreed, by the end of the game enemies are just sponges that absorb damage and the fastest way to beat them is by spamming abilities. Besides that I don't think the combat design is anything special tbh. Compared to devil may cry 5 this game is completely lacking. I don't know how to describe it, but dmc 5 is never tiring, it's always engaging and you feel awesome doing it. Here it's just boils down to quickly spamming your abilities while the boss is staggered.
@@dantederi5062then go play dmc since you keep crying like a little girl.
Nah you just ungrateful plain and simple bud.
All I see is flashy particles that adds nothing to combat or the overall game. You're still mashing one or two buttons for the entire game. Next!
I think you didn’t play the game, for all the attacks he had to change the eikon, press the ability of the eikon, than it’s passive, then press the normal attack bottom, than do a combo extender and then repeat the process. each one of these use a different button of the controller. Please don’t give your opinion on the game if you haven’t played it entirely.
@@g2monkig718 None of those matter because you'd get similar results just by mashing. This aint DMC or Bayonetta where pulling stylish combos rewards you for being creative nor it was versatile as those said games. FFXVI literally spoonfeeds you everything and the combat is literally brain dead since its just QTEs and walking sponges
Lmaooo no he is not & you would know if you actually played the game
@@suiken3149 no you wouldn’t , unless you played with the cheat ring which it sounds like you did
@@ArielJLuna Dont even need cheat rings to beat this game. Hell, you can finish this game with your starting equipment and minimal upgrades
Play and beat something like Ninja Gaiden or Tenchu then brag about being "skilled" on your baby's first action game.
Yes.. Clunky, just not fun to play. Like driving a muscle car.. Looks nice, but meh 😂
Is this supposed to be a big deal? Game still boring as hell. Sponge damage uninteresting enemies, combos are extremelly shallow. It is just spectacle that rquires 0 effort on any difficulty
Simple minded clown comment.
@@ulquiorracifer9205 It's a troll, don't feed him.
@@KristianLarsen-yc9pd facts
A bunch of particle and other flashy effects don't make any combat system good. Didn't play it. Maybe it's really good, but this videos proves nothing.
That's another thing many people, especially newbies, omit.
Many games had impressive-looking combat decades ago, like East Asian MMOs, and yet it was WoW that has conquered people's hearts, not a flashy weapon trails of the korean games.
That's another thing many people, especially newbies, omit.
Many games had impressive-looking combat decades ago, like East Asian MMOs, and yet it was WoW that has conquered people's hearts, not a flashy weapon trails of the korean games.
Okay now wait for all of your abilities to refresh and mash them all again then press square square square square triangle then maybe circle then hold square and jump and press square square square square triangle. ohhhh then you can use another eikon ability then press square square square square triangle dont forget to press R1 dodge. Welcome to final fantasy XVI the most overrated game in a LONG time with the most repetitive combat and mind numbingly boring tedious missions in the whole series. The cutscenes and the boss battles are the only good parts of the game and there are some really nice cutscenes that are locked behind shitty fetch quests. The entire game is go here talk to them fight this fight that cutscene talk to them fight in this hallway cutscene boss fight cutscene over and over and over again. Currently nearing the end only enduring because i like the characters and story the game is an absolute chore.
Even the worst quest in ff16 has nothing on how bad ffx blitzball, monster arena, dark aeons, or the chocobo races are.
@@typharius404 dark eons are unfair and require farms or exploits to even have a chance at fighting them
@@typharius404 I'd rather not farm don tonberry for several hours or play blitzball, an incomplete mini game that doesn't even have defenders
@@angellara7040ff10 super bosses are waste of time. You can cheese everyone with yojimbo.
Yeah, everything you just described is SOOOOOO much more boring and repetitive, requires less though and strategy than just waiting for a turn to come up and hitting X for attack and sitting back to do it again.
Still boring because i can do all of that. 😂😂😂
it is boring, there is no tactical depth to it.
Well it doesn’t have a deep fighting system doesn’t mean it’s boring, I actually found it boring at first but loved it after
Cant believe i bought this game im going to finish it just because but damn if its boring af
Are you being sarcastic here? Or you just wearing all the easy mode accessories?
I'm being sarcastic g look at the top left. None of the assists are highlighted
DMC 5 is superior game
Agreed
And?
No
It’s really not y’all just really ungrateful and spoiled to the core.
@@ulquiorracifer9205 Why would being ungrateful and spoiled cause him to think that DMC5 is superior to FF16?
If you think its boring git gud
ive beat the game twice now for the platinum. its pretty damn boring
@@Eversoul12just because you beat the game twice that doesn't make you good. Any casual gamer can beat this game.
Making combat look and feel fun on the other hand takes skills, which is something you obviously lack lol
@@fluffybuns2001what a stupid ass argument xD
_"To have fun, you can't just play the game and finish it, you actually have to know how to play it MY way. You actually need dedication to work your way up to have fun, to be able to enjoy this 70$ game. The devs don't own you anything, you noob!"_
@@fluffybuns2001Making the game fun is the developers' job, not the player's. If you need to pull off vapid combos that look flashy because the attacks in the game are all hits with big animations on timers to make the game "look and feel fun" the developers failed. Especially when these combos end up being less efficient than less flashy gameplay
@@beaup.2643games are fun because you make it be. That's why devs are giving you a variety of tools and a variety of difficulties for you to use and play with and make your own fun, if you can't do that then you're the one with the issue here not the game.
Combat feels awful, spamming square till skills are off cooldown or add in an awkward triangle between squares, no idea when to dodge off screen enemies surrounding you and flaming sword etc doing barely any more dmg than a basic spam attack... bring back turn based...
Literally a skill issue, you need somebody to baby you through the game.💀
no its just boring spammy combat.@@ulquiorracifer9205 you spam 1 attack till cooldowns are off like an Mobile game them spam all the cooldowns then go back top spamming Basic attack.
Thats why there are gameplay helpers for mentally challenged people like you.
Hell, do you seriously think a 60 hour game would be praised if 90% of its content which is combat was bad? Why? Because square has been getting so much praise recently by the industry.
Can you even comprehend that your lack of basic reflex and hand eye cordination is whats at fault when there are literally countless people giving specifically that part of the game praise…
You did NOT pay attention at all in your playthrough
@@Astreon123 Erm yeah I did, ni paid attention to the awful soammy combo system thay feels awful and has more cool down than a world of warcraft paladin.
WORST FANTASY EVER
To me its just immensely jarring to see the action vs the health. I guess that goes back to JRPG tropes, but if you're not trying to be much of a JRPG anymore, one of the first things to do is make sure you new combat matches what's actually going on in the screen. The player is dealing off enough power to end a small country, they got the voice actor grunting and straining on some of these attacks like he's putting his all into it, and then that all translates to watching the equivalent of a loading bar that's barely even crawling, and this isn't even the full fight! Player is 10 levels down from an enemy, so maybe that has something to do with- wait, wtf, where's the challenge from the enemy then?
This game is utter garbage. FF15 is MILES better than this and I dont even liked that one tbh...FF7 Remake is the best FF since FFX and Rebirth will be even better.
Shut your trap, loser
really boring, wtf
Sengoku Basara has much better combat than this, so I'm not impressed with the combat of the game at all.
Nice cap
No just no.
@@dantemiles689 Have you seen sengoku basara combos ?
@@yubunleng5927 I've played the game, that is a copy paste game it literally has the exact same combos from Dynasty warriors, Dynasty warriors gundam, one piece, bleach soul ignition. It is literally a cheap copy paste game that they use for anime games it literally uses the same combos across all games even the map and game design is the same. Here is a mob of 100 enemies who barely have 1 attack animation. Go beat em up. Ff could learn to add more combos for sure but they should stay far away from copying it especially in terms of game design
All spectacle no intricacy.
Button mashing games are ridiculously boring and samey.
FF7 REMAKE AND REBIRTH IS JUST EPIC BUT 16 OMG WHT A SHIT
Shut your trap, loser
People will unironically think this game has boring combat and then go play FF14 with the worst combat system ever made lmao
Imagine needing more than two brain cells to play a video game.