to be fair, you can't just take a book and put it straight to movie or tv. now some of the lines they definitely do rip from the book. but many situations and dialogue is only on tv. Not just talking about the part that hasn't had the books come out for them yet.
@@yoboyrob201 Not as many as you think. Before they ran out of book material (at which point Tyrion basically became a prop, standing behind Dany and doing almost nothing for 2 seasons), they clung to the books as tighly as they could. They omitted a lot, sure, but of the things that were in the show they kept as close to the books as possible, and even when they had to change stuff, they often took dialogue and lines from parts of the books they cut and used them. I think in the first season, for example, there's no more than a handful of lines Tyrion says which aren't basically word-for-word lines from the first novel. And that's especially true to all the awesome monologues he gives, or the super quippy one liners -- all of those were from GRRM.
@@gabec5073 But still in this second half there are a lot of good scenes and dialogue (I drink and I know things, etc.) especially in Season 6. So I would still call D&D talented writers.
@@gabec5073 But still in this second half there are a lot of good scenes and dialogue (I drink and I know things, etc.) especially in Season 6. So I would still call D&D talented writers.
I assume it is a defence against interviewers to dissuade them asking about the ending. Peter gains nothing publicly shttalking his former employers, has no desire to go there
Or maybe he knows more than you do and he's right? They did write some of the best scenes that did not have source material. Peter makes a great point, dialogue is hard, and they had 7 months to write hundreds of pages of it.
@@Klopp619 not that 7 months is a good excuse, but they had more than that. You're forgetting them taking a year break to come out with a shortened season bloated with action sequences, plus all the money that they needed (and chose not) to hire competent writers. Bringing us genius dialogue like Tyrion's repeated eunuch 'jokes' to Varys. Or Jon needing to be told by Arya (after they had witnessed Dany murdering tens, maybe hundreds, of thousands of civilians) that she knows a killer when she sees one. Garbage, pure garbage writing
@@johnmacleod2487while I agree the ending seasons where terrible people have to remember these actors worked with these guys for over a decade and helped them boost there careers to new heights. I guess to them it’s like shit talking about a friend behind there back who helped out. I’m not defending the ending but I understand why the cast are being nicer to the showrunners than most people would suspect. Even then, they still made grievances and some have done so publicly.
Someone pointed this out and I agree with it, the thing the later seasons of GoT missed that HotD also missed somewhat is pairing the characters such that they can bounce interesting dialogue off each other; often with humour. Arya travelling with the Hound, Tyrion and Bronn, Varys verbally sparring with Baelish. They have all the individual component characters that they need, but they just don't ever put them in situations where they can create those moments for the audience of "oh, these two are on screen, I'm already here for it"
The directors with no more material thought death drives the story not interactions to who takes the throne. Little finger had to pay with his life in the North to elevate Stansa's position and clear a name off Aiya's list. In the books they still live the banter is there. House of Dragon requires no filler it is complete, can't go the same as later seasons of Game of Thrones.
weII peopIe Iiked HotD because of it dwelve more into ancííent Targaryen famiIy, the mysticism and how ancííent majestic about the Dragons are, more cuIturaI and everything.
@@BaschBarrage tbh, if you were not a big fan of game of thrones, they would never even watch HOTD, and if you watched both you know HOTD is not even close to GOT. The 2nd season of HOTD was much better though, so it's hopeful.
@@dontevntrip8627 weII we can aIso appIy this Iogic of yours to every series/franchise there is, therefor this excuse is redundant IoI. AIso, you comparing 8 seasons GoT to 2 seasons HotD, thats disingenuous🤦
I love Peter Dinklage and he brought Tyrion to life like none other could, but the core of that character is from GRRM, not D&D. The difference in writing skill became readily apparent after S4, IMO...
Bit weird that they talking about the writing and at no point did they mention the guy who wrote the books bloody George. Pretty clear the 2 clowns that wrote the last season are not good writers. 🤡🤡
Yeah, because you have any idea how writing works, and how difficult it is. You're the clown here.... But I will agree, they should have mentioned GRRM. That was a stupid thing to overlook.
It's funny my friends and myself refused to watch it at first BECAUSE of the fantasy aspects (Dragons/zombies/witches). But then I gave it a go...then convinced my friends to watch by telling them it's a "political drama" disguised as a midlevel fantasy show. To me it's "House Cards" in medieval times.
I've enjoyed House of the dragons but I do feel what's missing from this show compared to game of thrones is bonding between characters and some type of journey of growth of a character.
What MADE the show was George’s intense and incredible writing plus the vfx team. the actors were also very committed and I love it. And I do think as directors David and Dan are talented. The performances in house of the dragon are much stronger though, to be point where bad directing gets completely ignored due to being fully captivated by the actors. The way George wrote the conversations legit felt like REAL LIFE conversations to the point where you think you are watching a reality tv show, in house of the dragon, there isn’t much psychology and effort put in conversations so the actors have to be the one to add the extra layer
What a stupid comment, they were supposed to write original stuff in Martin's world on the spot as well as the guy who spent 17 years writing the source material? Fuck off!
Some of that early stuff was really good, even stuff they made up like the conversation between Robert and Cersei in season 1. They bungled perhaps the last half of the bloody show, but seasons 1-4 have some amazing moments.
The visual symbolism of how season 2 ends. It's a beautiful greek tragedy. The "come with me" and "you speak as if from a distant dream" lines packed more emotion than anything in Thrones or modern TV. The final visual of Rhaenyra & Alicent : rhaenyra will all the power but trapped in her golden cage, while Alicent having lost everything but free under the stars and the seas! A role reversal for the ages. So brilliant. Real Alicels know Alicent and Rhaenyra toxic yuri star crossed lovers romance is the best part of House of the Dragon. It is the central foundation of the show and what makes the show so emotionally complex and why the average asoiaf hates it. Because is all about the story of two women in a feudal patriarchy with a strong antiwar message. Targ stans wanted wanted Alicent to be a evil stempom for their daemyra self insert and Aegon self inserts wanted Alicent to be a "devoted mother, her catelyn to Aegon's Robb" archetype. I'm so glad they were bold enough to think out of the box and come with an incredibly layered social snd psychological relationship that is a tragic unfulfilled romance for the ages. Alicent slowly breaking out of her chains free under the skies after losing everything. While rhaenyra gains everything only to be trapped in her golden cage.
D&D were good till they stopped giving a f. Why do you think GOT was such a mega hit in the first place. They wrote a bunch of phenomenal scenes that were not in the books.
@@mercyinquisitor4234 The writing on GoT noticeably declined when the source material ran out. Seasons 6 and 7 were some of the worst written dialog to have ever been broadcast.
@htvtc21 lmaoooo lame take "butchering" is such a ridiculous overstatement. I finally finished it last night after holding off until the end ofnthe season and it really wasn't bad and dont know what all the whining is about..a bit slow here and there but I was still plenty entertained. Coming from a book reader
I read first book and was pretty surprised that a lot was taken almost word for word. One change I noticed was D&D made Tyrion very likable in the show where in the books he can be a jerk.
Most you guys don't know how movies based on novels playout GRRM did his part by making the good movie, that doesn't mean the movie will follow what he wrote, if you just do that you'll end up with the show almost similar to HOT(house of Dragon), the show with no life, just like reading out the book, For the show to be enjoyable like GOT directors have to write scrips based on human relationships and normal life as we know it, not every conversations from the series are present in the movies, infact most are added by Script writters The novel might say " He slept with his maid", but script writters to the show have to write and add meat to what made the decision to make place So most of you guys just don't know how movies work D&D did great before running out of budget, that was the bigger problem And don't ever think everyone can just turn a good story to a good movie, we all loved GOT for a reason
The way the talk to each other in both shows is night and day. In house of the dragon 🐉 it's like listening to a Shakespeare play. In game of thrones they spoke normally and I loved it. I'm currently rewatching game of thrones it's 10 times better to watch
Season 8 "I dun wan it, I never did" "Bend the knee" "brown eyes, blue eyes, green eyes" "who has a better story than Bran the Broken" "She's not my KWEEN!" I think the execs thought that what everyone wants was to know who sits on the Iron Throne, when all we wanted to watch our favourite characters conclude their character arcs. D & D thought they were smart subverting the premise and destroying the Iron throne itself
They were just following the books hence it was good. Even then they made some changes that were hit or miss or neutral but the books was too strong for it to be bad until later on it just became so surface level and then we had to start relying on performances and some of the actors don’t have strong acting skills even though they aren’t bad. House of the dragon is much more prepared with an amazing cast
GoT: Good scripts. HoD: Crap scripts. GoT: We don't know everything that happens so we can be surprised (bothers some people, and those people SUCK). HoD: Literally every major plot point revealed already. GoT: About everybody. HoD: About Targareyns and dragons. Now and then the Starks drop in, but it never goes anywhere. GoT: Ratings kept getting higher and higher. HoD: Not even half as popular. In first-run or streaming. GoT: Dragon Queen dies, everyone is surprised. HoD: Well, that's the same, anyway. Except why are they surprised? It's in the damn books! Did they really think HBO would order a total reboot of past continuity?
Game of Thrones was probably the greatest show ever created BUT that last season ruins it for everyone. House of the Dragon is very close to Game of Thrones so as long as they don't fuck up the ending.
He should be asked who fked up that GOT ending 😂.. this also is irritating Bcoz of the fact that all house of dragon drama at the end will be having that ending.. the prophecy of the shitty ending that targeryans predicted 😂
I think improv in an airtight script can work. Martin Scorsese is known to encourage improv for the sake of natural loosey goosey feeling. Especially in his mafia movies. It requires alot of trust in your actors I imagine.
In the books...oh boy , tyrions ends up traveling with a female dwarf preformer amd her Pet Dog and pig. She at first wants to kill him because her twin dwarf brother was killed and beheaded because hoping they get a reward from Cercei for the head. essentially around the world, Dwarves are now being hunted down for their head hoping one one them is Tyrion or convince cercei that is Tyrion's head
The character Saul Goodman is introduced in season 1 of Breaking Bad. Sometime after that it's revealed that his real name is Jimmy McGill. No big deal, people change their name all the time. But only years later, in season 4 of the spinoff series Better Call Saul, it's revealed he chose the name because it sounds exactly like ``it's all good, man", which really resonates with his personality and demeanor. Some people's minds were blown that they knew the character for almost a decade and never realized Saul Goodman = It's all good, man. Specifically, Peter Dinklage is referring to a scene (that takes place years before his introduction in Breaking Bad as Saul Goodman) where he tells someone he wants to practice law under a different name. She's shocked (partly due to other stuff earlier in the episode) and sttuters, ``Jimmy... what?!" and he turns around, winks and says, ``It's all good, man!". It's a very memorable one liner.
You're misinterpreting his actual message and simply parrott the outrage of the masses. What he said was that he'd generally wish that stories like these, in which magical dwarves exist that lean on long outdated stereotypes, wouldn't be adapted anymore. Instead, dwarf actors should be allowed to get normal roles in which they can act as normal humans that simply happen to be short. He never said anyone should lose their role.
@baldfraud1806 yeah but the entire dwarf community sided AGAINST him. Pretty sure they said "why is disney appeasing one guy in the community instead of the entire community "
First off, it was George R R Martins writing. Second, House of Dragon is better because they narrow the show instead of being all over the place in the kingdom and focus just one family, mostly. Therefore the writing feels tighter and more cohesive. The filler episodes in AGOT annoyed me so much having read the amazing books many years before the show came out.
House of The Dragon season 2 had 4 good episodes (1,2,4,8), and the quality of writing is far from GOT’s. The only interesting characters are the greens and the showrunners have no idea what to do with some of them
@@asongforthemostbeautifulwo6476 GOT was just full of memes or at least it became that way lol. Insulting to my intelligence I would say. Go read the books and you will see the night and day difference.
@@jimkillerx It does have more of those elements, I'll admit. The blatant disregard of genetics and race swapping is the worst I've ever seen in Rings of Power, however. A sad fact of modern storytelling because of weak leadership in these industries.
Don't know why people harp on so much about Dragons in GoT, Dragons were great but most fascinating thing about GoT for me was lands beyond the wall and the lore of white walkers
Most you guys don't know how movies based on novels playout GRRM did his part by making the good movie, that doesn't mean the movie will follow what he wrote, if you just do that you'll end up with the show almost similar to HOT(house of Dragon), the show with no life, just like reading out the book, For the show to be enjoyable like GOT directors have to write scrips based on human relationships and normal life as we know it, not every conversations from the series are present in the movies, infact most are added by Script writters The novel might say " He slept with his maid", but script writters to the show have to write and add meat to what made the decision to make place So most of you guys just don't know how movies work D&D did great before running out of budget
@lifeonearth94 D&D made a great show(mostly) and GRRM, created great characters and story, adapting passages to scripts takes work, but sticking close to the source material is always better since the books are already wildely loved...D&D did not run out of money but the books to adapt not yet finished
@lifeonearth94 GOT was literally the best show on TV until the later seasons because of the bad writing, the budget wasn't really a problem, D&D r the ones that decided to cut season 7&8 to 13 eps
@@Chad0023 of what i heard, HBO expected only 6 seasons at most, but they went 8 seasons, so HBO told them to finish it And those guys are not story writters, they need a good story to wright good scrips for a movies, HOT has good story and the book is complete, but somehow the directors are not good writters that's why it's so boring, i bet no good actors will benefit from this show, most of them look dull even the show doesn't make us watchers feel that the place is huge, it just feels dull, Every town in game of thrones felt as the proper town and proper place because of camera angles and the background noises and these little things that together they matter In HOT even King's landing feels awkward
I think HOTD just doesnt gravitate me to the characters as much as GOT. Like the characters arent as full in comparison I've seen some moments I do believe we will get more of that in next season. Its still a good show just no GOT. If only i literally rewatched and they flubbed the last season it was depressing more this time finishing it than before.
D&D are no good writers. And after his comments on Season 8 i can't believe he's saying this here. They didn't give a fuck about GOT because they wanted to do Star Wars and threw everyones work from 10 years in the dumpster. I don't understand why he talks about them so well.
Got so mad watching HOTD. So many great actors but they had to just hire average writers/directors based on sex/race. If they just used the good writers/directors that worked on GOT or even season 1, they could have avoided it.
The GoT writing went off the rails as soon as they ran out of source material after season four, thankfully Fire and Blood is finished, so Ryan Condal has everything he needs to adapt. The writing on HotD is great, they just now need the budget for some battles, because there simply is not enough fighting. I love everything else about it though, better writing than post s4 of GoT for sure.
Yeah except he isn’t adapting properly, leaving major characters and plot lines out and changing many details like black Velaryons, which also messes lore up and Rhaenys not having black hair. Also the events of season 4 happen in book 3 so to say they ran out of source material is just not true when there were two other books they did not properly adapt.
@@PalpatineIsAJew I think the adapting is great so far, I also love that the Velaryons are black, a great way to get some representation in, Jace and the others are bastards anyway and Laenor is mixed race, so Rhaenyra can argue they just fall more on her side of the skin colour, And laena was so stunning it was unreal. But yeah GoT butchered the books even before running out, Jon’s a complete different character and such.
@@joesteel7409 Nah because Rhaenys having black hair gives Rhaenyra some deniability, the Velaryons being black is a stupid decision and brain dead cause now all the Targaryens should be black since Aegon the conqueror had a Velaryon mother and Jahaerys’ as well and Dawmon Blackfyre the goat is now black according to this logic. Maelor being left out was poor and nerfed blood and cheese even further, it would’ve been great to see Aemond and Aegon fight Rhaenys together, Laenor being not killed is a really risky move and it would’ve been cleaner just to kill him off, Alicent’s character is just boring, may as well have got Sara Snow since Jace is gonna die soon, they clearly don’t care about diversity nonsense or they wouldn’t have cut out Nettles, Cannibal is nowhere to be seen, there was no need to make Aegon a rapist, Criston Cole’s whole character was ruined in season 1.
@@PalpatineIsAJew Yeah agreed with a lot of the changes being unnecessary, sad nettles won’t be in there as such, but I’m still enjoying it as a whole, I’d mainly like to see the battles, hopefully s3 gives us the battle of the Gullet, the fishfeed, honeywine, and tumbleton 1. I don’t mind Maelor being left out or blood and cheese being softened, but yeah some things are annoying, I still don’t mind that the Velaryons are black, the blood gets diluted anyway, there’s dornish blood in the line with Prince Baelor Breakspear, my favourite, so I don’t mind it being a mixing pot:) I just can’t wait to see more of the Reach in s3 and a knight of the seven kingdoms, my favourite kingdom by far. And yeah Daemon Blackfyra is a boss.
@@PalpatineIsAJewRhaenys not having black hair and valeryons being blk was to both benefit the story and add tension to who is rhaenyra’s children’s father and it worked. George doesn’t mind it at all. D&D started making changes since season 1 but the source material was too strong to feel it drastically. It’s the same thing happening now except some of the writers are over prioritizing opinions of twitter into consideration that game of thrones mostly had freedom from, for most of its seasons. This isn’t bridgerton where I can allow that but here they need to do better but not all the changes are bad, Rhaenys, valeryons and viserys is one of the good ones. Alicent’s change is in the middle for me
Author Robin Hobb 'Assassin's Apprentice' was a great fantasy novel, would be LOTR/GOT tv series of only someone suggested it too Producers, writers etc etc
rap lyrics you say ? 😁 *at Dragonstone after Vizzy T died* Otto : Queen Alicent eagerly awaits your answer Daemon : She can have her answer now, stuffed in her father's mouth, along with his withered 🐓 , let's end this mummer's farce 🤣🤣🤣
Gotta question him when he says Dan and David are great writers....no they aren't. The show went downhill when they went away from the books and started using fan service. They lost so much by ignoring the books.
..I love you Pete..but please don't give D&D credit for the writing. As many others have already said, the only good writing that happened in the show was ripped directly from the pages of Martin's books. If George R. R. Martin wasn't the slowest writer to have ever written anything..ever..the show would still be going and it would still be awesome. When D&D ran out of OG writing the show took a massive nose dive. Everyone who ever read the books knows exactly what I mean.
Attributing the writing to Benioff and Weiss is a fucking travesty. GoT fell off HARD when they had no source material to fall back on. George RR Martin is the genius writer, NOT Benioff nor Weiss.
I think house of the dragon lacked the character behind the characters, idk if its just me bt i wasn't rooting fr anyone there. But in GOT i related with more than one characters and i wanted them to win. In HOTD everyone is a looseball. Honestly i wont mind if all of them die in the final dragon showdown. The only best thing is battle and dragon against a dragon. thats what we all were waiting for 😂,,,,just fight and detroy, get destroyed 😂
Come on Dinklage this should be the FUCKING platform where you can be HONEST. Anyone who’s a fan watched the behind the scenes shit and we all saw your faces reading the last fuckin TWO SEASONS. Continuously Disrespecting George rr Martin
GOT was great until the last seasons. The Dragon one isn't good. The story lines are falling flat. Only a few actors are interesting. Just not the same at all.
As a book reader I actually prefer HOTD. The language, clothing, weapons, armour and castles are pulled straight from GRRM's world. Finally seeing knights use shields, and wear surcoats with their houses colours rather than the black and grey everyone except the lannisters wore in GOT was refreshing.
@@orangejuice27 Budget wasnt an issue for GOT after the first few seasons. Also rhe language in HOTD is more book accurate than GOT. That's just a fact. GOT made the language more accessible. Phrases like "Good morrow" which are common in the books are absent from GOT because they didn't want to put off a mainstream audience.
What’s wrong with that? Valyrians aren’t even from Europe. Also realistically, the targeryens are meant to look like humanoid aliens if we are being very literal. It progresses the story anyways, not only is it good for diversity, it increases the tension of rhaenyra’s sons hence they didn’t make Rhaenys’s hair brown like in the books
@@GiveonKing game of thrones world always had diversity. Black valyrians simply make no sense, especially when martin has them described literally as family with same features as targaryens. Tension wise, it would still be there if velaryons werent black because it woukd still be obvious how rhaenyras boys arent velaryons because of no white hair.
@@sandromain they are not literal family, that’s a very clear and obvious fact. Also have you never seen interracial families? There is absolutely no point you have made that justified your dislike for the change other than not wanting to see blk characters in prominent powerful roles
@@sandromain the tension would have still been there but it’s much more thick here because literally EVERYONE can see it and it gives second hand embarrassment
Hotd is much better and for a much mature and niche audience. That's why it's so underappreciated and people complain about not enough battles. The visuals, the symbolism, the antiwar mesaaging, all of it is makes more a poignant greek tragedy. And most importantly it's a strong emotional drama about the two best friends stuck in a sophoclean loop of feudal patriarchy. It takes a higher degree of intelligence to appreciate a show without marvel girlbosses and evil stepmom archetypes. While Thrones was mainly just shock value gore and violence with cartoon villains and action heroes with very little by way of the human emotional element. Hotd is a Feast for Crows. Thrones is How to Train Your Dragon.
He has the audacity to credit the character of Tyrion to Dave and Dan. Every line was written by George RR Martin.
i mean they gave him a job for 9 years
Every line? 😂
@@mikezhao6299I mean... most lines yes
to be fair, you can't just take a book and put it straight to movie or tv. now some of the lines they definitely do rip from the book. but many situations and dialogue is only on tv. Not just talking about the part that hasn't had the books come out for them yet.
@@yoboyrob201 Not as many as you think. Before they ran out of book material (at which point Tyrion basically became a prop, standing behind Dany and doing almost nothing for 2 seasons), they clung to the books as tighly as they could. They omitted a lot, sure, but of the things that were in the show they kept as close to the books as possible, and even when they had to change stuff, they often took dialogue and lines from parts of the books they cut and used them. I think in the first season, for example, there's no more than a handful of lines Tyrion says which aren't basically word-for-word lines from the first novel. And that's especially true to all the awesome monologues he gives, or the super quippy one liners -- all of those were from GRRM.
Shultz should practice the art of shutting the fuck up to let his guest talk!
Yess
He's ADD he can't
If you watch the entire thing you'll realize Peter really doesn't have much to say at all lol; gotta push it
You do think he learn by now smh
Maybe you can invite Peter on your own podcast and then you can do it your way 😇
Real ones know every line worth mentioning was written by George RR Martin.
Nah man the real ones know and respect how D&D masterfully adapted at least the first few books. That’s not easy and they did an amazing job
@@Carlo_ReNews Yeah but then then the second half of the show happened sooo....
@@gabec5073 But still in this second half there are a lot of good scenes and dialogue (I drink and I know things, etc.) especially in Season 6. So I would still call D&D talented writers.
@@gabec5073 But still in this second half there are a lot of good scenes and dialogue (I drink and I know things, etc.) especially in Season 6. So I would still call D&D talented writers.
@@Carlo_ReNewsI think it's half and half
Every-time Peter says “They’re so good” when talking about D&D I can’t help to think he’s being sarcastic 😂
I fear he's not.
I assume it is a defence against interviewers to dissuade them asking about the ending. Peter gains nothing publicly shttalking his former employers, has no desire to go there
Or maybe he knows more than you do and he's right? They did write some of the best scenes that did not have source material. Peter makes a great point, dialogue is hard, and they had 7 months to write hundreds of pages of it.
@@Klopp619 not that 7 months is a good excuse, but they had more than that. You're forgetting them taking a year break to come out with a shortened season bloated with action sequences, plus all the money that they needed (and chose not) to hire competent writers. Bringing us genius dialogue like Tyrion's repeated eunuch 'jokes' to Varys. Or Jon needing to be told by Arya (after they had witnessed Dany murdering tens, maybe hundreds, of thousands of civilians) that she knows a killer when she sees one. Garbage, pure garbage writing
@@johnmacleod2487while I agree the ending seasons where terrible people have to remember these actors worked with these guys for over a decade and helped them boost there careers to new heights. I guess to them it’s like shit talking about a friend behind there back who helped out.
I’m not defending the ending but I understand why the cast are being nicer to the showrunners than most people would suspect. Even then, they still made grievances and some have done so publicly.
Someone pointed this out and I agree with it, the thing the later seasons of GoT missed that HotD also missed somewhat is pairing the characters such that they can bounce interesting dialogue off each other; often with humour. Arya travelling with the Hound, Tyrion and Bronn, Varys verbally sparring with Baelish. They have all the individual component characters that they need, but they just don't ever put them in situations where they can create those moments for the audience of "oh, these two are on screen, I'm already here for it"
Nah dude don't even compare House of the Dragon with late Game of Thrones. One is still pretty good, the other is pure crap.
The directors with no more material thought death drives the story not interactions to who takes the throne. Little finger had to pay with his life in the North to elevate Stansa's position and clear a name off Aiya's list. In the books they still live the banter is there. House of Dragon requires no filler it is complete, can't go the same as later seasons of Game of Thrones.
All the lines he mentioned are from the books written by George RR Martin.
"I drink and I know things" wasn't written by GRRM and neither was "Chaos is a Ladder"
People like game of thrones because of the Story Lines, and the Character building on all their actors/actresses. The dragons were icing on the cake.
weII peopIe Iiked HotD because of it dwelve more into ancííent Targaryen famiIy, the mysticism and how ancííent majestic about the Dragons are, more cuIturaI and everything.
@@BaschBarrage tbh, if you were not a big fan of game of thrones, they would never even watch HOTD, and if you watched both you know HOTD is not even close to GOT. The 2nd season of HOTD was much better though, so it's hopeful.
@@dontevntrip8627 weII we can aIso appIy this Iogic of yours to every series/franchise there is, therefor this excuse is redundant IoI. AIso, you comparing 8 seasons GoT to 2 seasons HotD, thats disingenuous🤦
I love Peter Dinklage and he brought Tyrion to life like none other could, but the core of that character is from GRRM, not D&D. The difference in writing skill became readily apparent after S4, IMO...
It's beautiful to see a game of thrones actor praising breaking bad
Bit weird that they talking about the writing and at no point did they mention the guy who wrote the books bloody George. Pretty clear the 2 clowns that wrote the last season are not good writers. 🤡🤡
That is how you rewrite history and distort reality :((( a craft perfected by the Left radicals.
Yeah, because you have any idea how writing works, and how difficult it is. You're the clown here.... But I will agree, they should have mentioned GRRM. That was a stupid thing to overlook.
It's funny my friends and myself refused to watch it at first BECAUSE of the fantasy aspects (Dragons/zombies/witches). But then I gave it a go...then convinced my friends to watch by telling them it's a "political drama" disguised as a midlevel fantasy show. To me it's "House Cards" in medieval times.
Final episode " NOTHING IN THE WORLD MORE POWERFUL THAN A STORY"
no army can defeat it.
So so true
I've enjoyed House of the dragons but I do feel what's missing from this show compared to game of thrones is bonding between characters and some type of journey of growth of a character.
The biggest difference between GoT and HoD for me, is the humour. GoT has some really funny moments but HoD doesn't really have any.
There are a few moments I find to he more dry humor but it's really hard to squeeze out comedy in the topic
I thought the final episode of the second season was a pretty funny joke
Humor offends the type of people who write in black blonde guys for DEI purposes😂
"I did not think they’d be so eager to die" was a great moment tbh
What about Aegon he’s been hilarious in the first 4 episodes before Rooks Rest.
You mean modern Hollywood doesn’t realize that the writing is the most important thing? Shocking.
The difference is GOT is the best show ever made and HOTD is trash
What MADE the show was George’s intense and incredible writing plus the vfx team. the actors were also very committed and I love it. And I do think as directors David and Dan are talented. The performances in house of the dragon are much stronger though, to be point where bad directing gets completely ignored due to being fully captivated by the actors. The way George wrote the conversations legit felt like REAL LIFE conversations to the point where you think you are watching a reality tv show, in house of the dragon, there isn’t much psychology and effort put in conversations so the actors have to be the one to add the extra layer
It's simple, there isn't much dialogue in Fire and Blood
Writers are so good? GRR Martin is the only good one. See what they did without his books guiding them.
What a stupid comment, they were supposed to write original stuff in Martin's world on the spot as well as the guy who spent 17 years writing the source material? Fuck off!
The biggest difference is the writing in HOTD is unable to create a desire to invest emotionally in the characters. GOT had amazing characters
Actually mind blowing to hear him talk fondly of Dumb and Dumber.
Peter talks about Dumb&Dumber with so much confidence, he really sounds like he likes them lmao
Right?
Some of that early stuff was really good, even stuff they made up like the conversation between Robert and Cersei in season 1. They bungled perhaps the last half of the bloody show, but seasons 1-4 have some amazing moments.
Soul goodman ...that's perfection...well said man , well said
more like its all good maaan.. :D
The visual symbolism of how season 2 ends. It's a beautiful greek tragedy. The "come with me" and "you speak as if from a distant dream" lines packed more emotion than anything in Thrones or modern TV. The final visual of Rhaenyra & Alicent : rhaenyra will all the power but trapped in her golden cage, while Alicent having lost everything but free under the stars and the seas! A role reversal for the ages. So brilliant. Real Alicels know Alicent and Rhaenyra toxic yuri star crossed lovers romance is the best part of House of the Dragon. It is the central foundation of the show and what makes the show so emotionally complex and why the average asoiaf hates it. Because is all about the story of two women in a feudal patriarchy with a strong antiwar message. Targ stans wanted wanted Alicent to be a evil stempom for their daemyra self insert and Aegon self inserts wanted Alicent to be a "devoted mother, her catelyn to Aegon's Robb" archetype. I'm so glad they were bold enough to think out of the box and come with an incredibly layered social snd psychological relationship that is a tragic unfulfilled romance for the ages. Alicent slowly breaking out of her chains free under the skies after losing everything. While rhaenyra gains everything only to be trapped in her golden cage.
Sadly hod characters are not as deep and interesting as got, it makes a big difference.
I don’t even kno what’s going on in HOD
D&D were good till they stopped giving a f. Why do you think GOT was such a mega hit in the first place. They wrote a bunch of phenomenal scenes that were not in the books.
Slowly realizing that the only one that doesn’t shill for d and d is lord Varys actor
Interesting that Dink puts the quality on the show writers rather than the book author 😭
The books end by the fourth season. There are 7 seasons
because D&D deserve that credit. look how GRRM is butchering HoTD season 2
@@htvtc21 grrm isnt the showrunner for hotd...
@@mercyinquisitor4234 The writing on GoT noticeably declined when the source material ran out. Seasons 6 and 7 were some of the worst written dialog to have ever been broadcast.
@htvtc21 lmaoooo lame take "butchering" is such a ridiculous overstatement. I finally finished it last night after holding off until the end ofnthe season and it really wasn't bad and dont know what all the whining is about..a bit slow here and there but I was still plenty entertained. Coming from a book reader
I read first book and was pretty surprised that a lot was taken almost word for word. One change I noticed was D&D made Tyrion very likable in the show where in the books he can be a jerk.
Schulz is funny as hell and Dinklage is such a great actor he was great on GOT!
Most you guys don't know how movies based on novels playout
GRRM did his part by making the good movie, that doesn't mean the movie will follow what he wrote, if you just do that you'll end up with the show almost similar to HOT(house of Dragon), the show with no life, just like reading out the book,
For the show to be enjoyable like GOT directors have to write scrips based on human relationships and normal life as we know it, not every conversations from the series are present in the movies, infact most are added by Script writters
The novel might say " He slept with his maid", but script writters to the show have to write and add meat to what made the decision to make place
So most of you guys just don't know how movies work
D&D did great before running out of budget, that was the bigger problem
And don't ever think everyone can just turn a good story to a good movie, we all loved GOT for a reason
first four seasons or ro of GoT will always be baller. But House of the Dragon is great too. Loving the show so far.
The way the talk to each other in both shows is night and day. In house of the dragon 🐉 it's like listening to a Shakespeare play. In game of thrones they spoke normally and I loved it. I'm currently rewatching game of thrones it's 10 times better to watch
Season 8
"I dun wan it, I never did"
"Bend the knee"
"brown eyes, blue eyes, green eyes"
"who has a better story than Bran the Broken"
"She's not my KWEEN!"
I think the execs thought that what everyone wants was to know who sits on the Iron Throne, when all we wanted to watch our favourite characters conclude their character arcs. D & D thought they were smart subverting the premise and destroying the Iron throne itself
They were good writers up to Season 4. Then I don’t know what happened after that
They were just following the books hence it was good. Even then they made some changes that were hit or miss or neutral but the books was too strong for it to be bad until later on it just became so surface level and then we had to start relying on performances and some of the actors don’t have strong acting skills even though they aren’t bad. House of the dragon is much more prepared with an amazing cast
GoT: Good scripts.
HoD: Crap scripts.
GoT: We don't know everything that happens so we can be surprised (bothers some people, and those people SUCK).
HoD: Literally every major plot point revealed already.
GoT: About everybody.
HoD: About Targareyns and dragons. Now and then the Starks drop in, but it never goes anywhere.
GoT: Ratings kept getting higher and higher.
HoD: Not even half as popular. In first-run or streaming.
GoT: Dragon Queen dies, everyone is surprised.
HoD: Well, that's the same, anyway. Except why are they surprised? It's in the damn books! Did they really think HBO would order a total reboot of past continuity?
Game of Thrones was probably the greatest show ever created BUT that last season ruins it for everyone. House of the Dragon is very close to Game of Thrones so as long as they don't fuck up the ending.
He's gotta be fired up that he prevented about 14 little people from getting a job on Snow White.
The travesty that he doesnt know GEORGE wrote those lines. They were ripped straight from book
Come on Peter, give credit to GRRM for creating the character he did the writing lol then D&D writing later on RUINED Tyrion
This guy stopped a small minority of people get work. Well done dinkladge. 👏
He should be asked who fked up that GOT ending 😂..
this also is irritating Bcoz of the fact that all house of dragon drama at the end will be having that ending.. the prophecy of the shitty ending that targeryans predicted 😂
I think improv in an airtight script can work. Martin Scorsese is known to encourage improv for the sake of natural loosey goosey feeling. Especially in his mafia movies. It requires alot of trust in your actors I imagine.
In the books...oh boy , tyrions ends up traveling with a female dwarf preformer amd her Pet Dog and pig. She at first wants to kill him because her twin dwarf brother was killed and beheaded because hoping they get a reward from Cercei for the head. essentially around the world, Dwarves are now being hunted down for their head hoping one one them is Tyrion or convince cercei that is Tyrion's head
what is he referring to at 3:13 ?
Probably Breaking Bad or Better Call Saul.
The character Saul Goodman is introduced in season 1 of Breaking Bad. Sometime after that it's revealed that his real name is Jimmy McGill. No big deal, people change their name all the time. But only years later, in season 4 of the spinoff series Better Call Saul, it's revealed he chose the name because it sounds exactly like ``it's all good, man", which really resonates with his personality and demeanor. Some people's minds were blown that they knew the character for almost a decade and never realized Saul Goodman = It's all good, man. Specifically, Peter Dinklage is referring to a scene (that takes place years before his introduction in Breaking Bad as Saul Goodman) where he tells someone he wants to practice law under a different name. She's shocked (partly due to other stuff earlier in the episode) and sttuters, ``Jimmy... what?!" and he turns around, winks and says, ``It's all good, man!". It's a very memorable one liner.
The same dude who cried about Snow White having actual dwarves?
You're misinterpreting his actual message and simply parrott the outrage of the masses.
What he said was that he'd generally wish that stories like these, in which magical dwarves exist that lean on long outdated stereotypes, wouldn't be adapted anymore. Instead, dwarf actors should be allowed to get normal roles in which they can act as normal humans that simply happen to be short.
He never said anyone should lose their role.
@@baldfraud1806YOU ARE SO WRONG ITS NOT EVEN FUNNY, GO DO SOME REAL RESEARCH U DUMMY
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😂😂😂😂😂
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Perhaps he should have thought out his words before butchering them.
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@baldfraud1806 yeah but the entire dwarf community sided AGAINST him. Pretty sure they said "why is disney appeasing one guy in the community instead of the entire community "
Crediting Dan and Dave?
Game of thrones is based on 5 books, House of the Dragon is based on about 30 pages
First off, it was George R R Martins writing. Second, House of Dragon is better because they narrow the show instead of being all over the place in the kingdom and focus just one family, mostly. Therefore the writing feels tighter and more cohesive. The filler episodes in AGOT annoyed me so much having read the amazing books many years before the show came out.
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House of The Dragon season 2 had 4 good episodes (1,2,4,8), and the quality of writing is far from GOT’s. The only interesting characters are the greens and the showrunners have no idea what to do with some of them
@@asongforthemostbeautifulwo6476 GOT was just full of memes or at least it became that way lol. Insulting to my intelligence I would say. Go read the books and you will see the night and day difference.
HOTD is bad on the basis that it has DEI.
@@jimkillerx It does have more of those elements, I'll admit. The blatant disregard of genetics and race swapping is the worst I've ever seen in Rings of Power, however. A sad fact of modern storytelling because of weak leadership in these industries.
I don’t believe you - Ron burgundy
I don't care about dragons I care about story .. character n execution of it all the universe and surrounding are the icing
Schulz is right, it was never about the dragons.
Isn't that the only guy who is allowed to play dwarf parts?
kinda hard for me to get into HOTD when we all know how it ends
Schulz let your guest talk
Not sure it's totally accurate to be crediting Dan and david when George wrote the material they based everything on.
George r Martin’s legacy gets shit on from hbo max
The difference is it took GoT about 7 years to go to shit while it took HotD 2.
Don't know why people harp on so much about Dragons in GoT, Dragons were great but most fascinating thing about GoT for me was lands beyond the wall and the lore of white walkers
Yeah I don't like the dragon element, the wars literally don't need soldiers, if an army attack a dragon will just destroy it
White walkers are just ice zombies come on!!!
@@silvermasktraveler1788 Who took down a dragon with a javelin
@@silvermasktraveler1788 a dragon is just a fire breathing lizard
Weird of him not to credit the guy who created the characters and wrote the actual books and og dialogues
Most you guys don't know how movies based on novels playout
GRRM did his part by making the good movie, that doesn't mean the movie will follow what he wrote, if you just do that you'll end up with the show almost similar to HOT(house of Dragon), the show with no life, just like reading out the book,
For the show to be enjoyable like GOT directors have to write scrips based on human relationships and normal life as we know it, not every conversations from the series are present in the movies, infact most are added by Script writters
The novel might say " He slept with his maid", but script writters to the show have to write and add meat to what made the decision to make place
So most of you guys just don't know how movies work
D&D did great before running out of budget
@lifeonearth94 D&D made a great show(mostly) and GRRM, created great characters and story, adapting passages to scripts takes work, but sticking close to the source material is always better since the books are already wildely loved...D&D did not run out of money but the books to adapt not yet finished
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Tv shows always have a planned budget, but also what you said is what accelerated the deterioration of the series
@lifeonearth94 GOT was literally the best show on TV until the later seasons because of the bad writing, the budget wasn't really a problem, D&D r the ones that decided to cut season 7&8 to 13 eps
@@Chad0023 of what i heard, HBO expected only 6 seasons at most, but they went 8 seasons, so HBO told them to finish it
And those guys are not story writters, they need a good story to wright good scrips for a movies, HOT has good story and the book is complete, but somehow the directors are not good writters that's why it's so boring, i bet no good actors will benefit from this show, most of them look dull even the show doesn't make us watchers feel that the place is huge, it just feels dull, Every town in game of thrones felt as the proper town and proper place because of camera angles and the background noises and these little things that together they matter
In HOT even King's landing feels awkward
I'm probably late but good to see that Schulz fixed his stupid non-faded haircut 😂
I think HOTD just doesnt gravitate me to the characters as much as GOT. Like the characters arent as full in comparison I've seen some moments I do believe we will get more of that in next season. Its still a good show just no GOT. If only i literally rewatched and they flubbed the last season it was depressing more this time finishing it than before.
How can many actors from GoT not watch house of dragons?
Mini me over here said Dumb & dumber were so good with the writing... Has Peter not seen S8? What the fuck.
D&D are no good writers. And after his comments on Season 8 i can't believe he's saying this here.
They didn't give a fuck about GOT because they wanted to do Star Wars and threw everyones work from 10 years in the dumpster. I don't understand why he talks about them so well.
Got so mad watching HOTD. So many great actors but they had to just hire average writers/directors based on sex/race. If they just used the good writers/directors that worked on GOT or even season 1, they could have avoided it.
This is what happens when you have somebody who's never read the book talking absolute nonsense.
Power is power
The GoT writing went off the rails as soon as they ran out of source material after season four, thankfully Fire and Blood is finished, so Ryan Condal has everything he needs to adapt.
The writing on HotD is great, they just now need the budget for some battles, because there simply is not enough fighting. I love everything else about it though, better writing than post s4 of GoT for sure.
Yeah except he isn’t adapting properly, leaving major characters and plot lines out and changing many details like black Velaryons, which also messes lore up and Rhaenys not having black hair. Also the events of season 4 happen in book 3 so to say they ran out of source material is just not true when there were two other books they did not properly adapt.
@@PalpatineIsAJew I think the adapting is great so far, I also love that the Velaryons are black, a great way to get some representation in, Jace and the others are bastards anyway and Laenor is mixed race, so Rhaenyra can argue they just fall more on her side of the skin colour, And laena was so stunning it was unreal.
But yeah GoT butchered the books even before running out, Jon’s a complete different character and such.
@@joesteel7409 Nah because Rhaenys having black hair gives Rhaenyra some deniability, the Velaryons being black is a stupid decision and brain dead cause now all the Targaryens should be black since Aegon the conqueror had a Velaryon mother and Jahaerys’ as well and Dawmon Blackfyre the goat is now black according to this logic. Maelor being left out was poor and nerfed blood and cheese even further, it would’ve been great to see Aemond and Aegon fight Rhaenys together, Laenor being not killed is a really risky move and it would’ve been cleaner just to kill him off, Alicent’s character is just boring, may as well have got Sara Snow since Jace is gonna die soon, they clearly don’t care about diversity nonsense or they wouldn’t have cut out Nettles, Cannibal is nowhere to be seen, there was no need to make Aegon a rapist, Criston Cole’s whole character was ruined in season 1.
@@PalpatineIsAJew Yeah agreed with a lot of the changes being unnecessary, sad nettles won’t be in there as such, but I’m still enjoying it as a whole, I’d mainly like to see the battles, hopefully s3 gives us the battle of the Gullet, the fishfeed, honeywine, and tumbleton 1.
I don’t mind Maelor being left out or blood and cheese being softened, but yeah some things are annoying, I still don’t mind that the Velaryons are black, the blood gets diluted anyway, there’s dornish blood in the line with Prince Baelor Breakspear, my favourite, so I don’t mind it being a mixing pot:)
I just can’t wait to see more of the Reach in s3 and a knight of the seven kingdoms, my favourite kingdom by far. And yeah Daemon Blackfyra is a boss.
@@PalpatineIsAJewRhaenys not having black hair and valeryons being blk was to both benefit the story and add tension to who is rhaenyra’s children’s father and it worked. George doesn’t mind it at all. D&D started making changes since season 1 but the source material was too strong to feel it drastically. It’s the same thing happening now except some of the writers are over prioritizing opinions of twitter into consideration that game of thrones mostly had freedom from, for most of its seasons. This isn’t bridgerton where I can allow that but here they need to do better but not all the changes are bad, Rhaenys, valeryons and viserys is one of the good ones. Alicent’s change is in the middle for me
If y’all grown adults really going goomer for dragons. You really need to read a book.
GRRM writing carried D&D lol
D&D rushed GOT for that Disney atrocity
Dave and Dan destroyed the character. Martin deserves the credit cmon dinklage... So ignorant
Author Robin Hobb 'Assassin's Apprentice' was a great fantasy novel, would be LOTR/GOT tv series of only someone suggested it too Producers, writers etc etc
Does anyone else really really hate Andrew now?
Bro let your guest TALK. Jesus
Dave and Dan??? The guys who destroyed the show in the last 2 seasons??
I love his voice!
rap lyrics you say ? 😁 *at Dragonstone after Vizzy T died*
Otto : Queen Alicent eagerly awaits your answer
Daemon : She can have her answer now, stuffed in her father's mouth, along with his withered 🐓 , let's end this mummer's farce
🤣🤣🤣
Gotta question him when he says Dan and David are great writers....no they aren't. The show went downhill when they went away from the books and started using fan service. They lost so much by ignoring the books.
The cgi of GOT is better than HOTD
Mr. Dinklage is either the best troll in the world or he is being paid to say stupid things.
I wish Andrew would shut up more and stop making sounds while his guest is speaking.
..I love you Pete..but please don't give D&D credit for the writing. As many others have already said, the only good writing that happened in the show was ripped directly from the pages of Martin's books. If George R. R. Martin wasn't the slowest writer to have ever written anything..ever..the show would still be going and it would still be awesome. When D&D ran out of OG writing the show took a massive nose dive. Everyone who ever read the books knows exactly what I mean.
Dude's voice, omg
Attributing the writing to Benioff and Weiss is a fucking travesty. GoT fell off HARD when they had no source material to fall back on. George RR Martin is the genius writer, NOT Benioff nor Weiss.
House of the dragon is great so far, game of thrones ended as pure garbage. Why does no one ask the people involved what the fuck happened?
I think house of the dragon lacked the character behind the characters, idk if its just me bt i wasn't rooting fr anyone there. But in GOT i related with more than one characters and i wanted them to win. In HOTD everyone is a looseball. Honestly i wont mind if all of them die in the final dragon showdown. The only best thing is battle and dragon against a dragon. thats what we all were waiting for 😂,,,,just fight and detroy, get destroyed 😂
House of the dragon is still going lol
Well you’re in luck
Come on Dinklage this should be the FUCKING platform where you can be HONEST. Anyone who’s a fan watched the behind the scenes shit and we all saw your faces reading the last fuckin TWO SEASONS. Continuously Disrespecting George rr Martin
GOT was great until the last seasons. The Dragon one isn't good. The story lines are falling flat. Only a few actors are interesting. Just not the same at all.
As a book reader I actually prefer HOTD. The language, clothing, weapons, armour and castles are pulled straight from GRRM's world. Finally seeing knights use shields, and wear surcoats with their houses colours rather than the black and grey everyone except the lannisters wore in GOT was refreshing.
More money made that set, wardrobe, and cgi better but language nothing tops early season GOT
@@orangejuice27 Budget wasnt an issue for GOT after the first few seasons. Also rhe language in HOTD is more book accurate than GOT. That's just a fact. GOT made the language more accessible. Phrases like "Good morrow" which are common in the books are absent from GOT because they didn't want to put off a mainstream audience.
I can't get into HOTD. It's just nowhere near as good.
Game of Thrones is good. House of the Dragon has DEI and therefore is automatically sht.
GoT is 10x better! There’s not nearly as many sex and murder scenes. Also there are no sadistic and complex characters like in GOT
Black valyrians hahah
What’s wrong with that? Valyrians aren’t even from Europe. Also realistically, the targeryens are meant to look like humanoid aliens if we are being very literal. It progresses the story anyways, not only is it good for diversity, it increases the tension of rhaenyra’s sons hence they didn’t make Rhaenys’s hair brown like in the books
@@GiveonKing game of thrones world always had diversity. Black valyrians simply make no sense, especially when martin has them described literally as family with same features as targaryens. Tension wise, it would still be there if velaryons werent black because it woukd still be obvious how rhaenyras boys arent velaryons because of no white hair.
This comment is seriously weird.
@@sandromain they are not literal family, that’s a very clear and obvious fact. Also have you never seen interracial families? There is absolutely no point you have made that justified your dislike for the change other than not wanting to see blk characters in prominent powerful roles
@@sandromain the tension would have still been there but it’s much more thick here because literally EVERYONE can see it and it gives second hand embarrassment
The difference between Game of Thrones and House of The Dragon is that Breaking Bad is better
lol wut the 2 seasons of house of the dragons writing is better than s5-8 of GOT. Season 1 is comparable to 1-4.
‘sall good man
Nah the writers david and dan were cack.
House of the dragon is better
Hotd is much better and for a much mature and niche audience. That's why it's so underappreciated and people complain about not enough battles. The visuals, the symbolism, the antiwar mesaaging, all of it is makes more a poignant greek tragedy. And most importantly it's a strong emotional drama about the two best friends stuck in a sophoclean loop of feudal patriarchy. It takes a higher degree of intelligence to appreciate a show without marvel girlbosses and evil stepmom archetypes. While Thrones was mainly just shock value gore and violence with cartoon villains and action heroes with very little by way of the human emotional element. Hotd is a Feast for Crows. Thrones is How to Train Your Dragon.
Season2 of HOTD was terrible
You should stick to watching Rings of Power