It’s not about being politically correct. It’s about not adding anything or taking anything away. You all aren’t listening for comprehension. You want someone to soothe your itching ears. Contraception isn’t mentioned in The Bible so there’s nothing to reference.
I am someone who is currently using condoms and has 2 children & even I found his argument to be riddled with worldly excuses. Basically you are saying that it’s ok to not trust in Gods timing and planning because having another child might be “difficult or costly” during a crisis? You are essentially saying it’s ok to play God and dictate when it’s the right time for another child ? I think all you did was convict me of how sinful contraception might actually be. I thought it was ok as I’m 40 and I don’t know if I want to have another child at 40. However that’s up to God. Ultimately he can bring another baby if he wants to, he is God. Condoms aren’t fool proof. They break and they come off. If he wants to bring a baby into this world he will. However the pill and anything that stops a woman from producing eggs/fertilisation and changes her hormones ect that’s playing God.
In the name of opposing “legalism” he falls into a form of relativism. He does not even provide a biblical view of sex as it relates to procreation. He seems to be either totally unaware or dismissive of the fact that prior to the 1930s that artificial BC was universally rejected by all churches. There was always an understanding that there significant moral difference between natural and unnatural means. This does mean that there can’t be exceptional cases. But we need to lay down general rules before we can lay down exemptions. This type of “legalism” is exactly what we need in the church today.
Jeffery Dahmers mom was pretty bad to him and a terrible mother. It definitely affected him. Trusting God is reading his word and having wisdom. God said if you ask for wisdom and don't use it it's okay, it's available in an endless supply, but so many people lack it.
Something I do is use a birth control method that thin the uterine lining ie copper iud. because I still have a natural cycle/release of an egg and period I sm able to track my natural cycle and will either avoid the 7 fertile days or use condoms so that the iud is only technically used to kill sperm in non fertile periods in the worst event it doesn't they eill naturally die in the body before an egg is released
Oh, sorry, any oral sex, mutual maturation, etc is also not allowed during times when couples are abstaining during fertile times if you are not planning on finishing the sexual act in vaginal intercourse. This is the only option for couples who are not able to have any more children temporarily or perpetually which is not sinful. Sex between a husband and wife must be unitive and procreative, no spilling of semen. Birth control pills do a huge disservice to women's bodies, too. What cross are a husband and wife not willing to help Christ carry? You are very seriously wrong and need to read Humanae Vitae and Casti Canubii. Right is right, wrong is wrong. What is true is true, no exceptions. Anything else is sinful.
Your argument is biased. If you take the approach of making your point and letting people make their own conscientious decisions. Perhaps your argument would add value. Because I understand that you think this is very wrong, but you come off as a legalistic person, and therefore you are not helping us see your point, but stand at a point where what you say is what goes and are not willing to walk through this process with anyone. You just want them to take your word for it.
Oral sex and mutual masturbation is still wrong even no seed is wasted and the act is followed by vaginal intercourse. If oral sex and masturbation was allowed as foreplay then what exactly is wrong with lesbianism? Then two lesbians can also have oral sex and masturbate each other because they don't have any sperm to waste. If it's all just about not wasting sperm then why can't two lesbians who are married to each other practice mutual masturbation and oral sex but a Christian husband and wife can? And then technically two gay men can also have oral sex and masturbate each other as long as they don't climax. That kind of reasoning doesn't make any sense. Either oral sex and mutual masturbation, with or without climax, is sodomy and is not allowed for both same sex and heterosexual couples or it is allowed for both same sex and heterosexual couples. Adultery is still adultery even if there was no climax because they were maybe interrupted and didn't have time to finish. The same goes for fornication it's still fornication even if there was no climax so why all of a sudden do the rules change when it comes to sodomy and people pretend like sodomy is not sodomy anymore as long as ejaculation didn't take place? Besides it's unholy, perverted and unclean putting your mouth on someone's genitals with or without seed being wasted, cleanliness is next to nothing to godliness! Even if it was just about not wasting seed it's still wrong because when you are stimulating a man's penis you are causing his body to want to release sperm and in some cases he will not be able to control himself and even if he manages to hold it it's still a sin to put yourself in a situation which causes a near occasion for sin. Telling someone they can have oral sex as long as no sperm is being released is like telling your child they can play with fire as long as they don't get burned. Also there is danger in letting couples do this because they might develop a preference for oral sex and masturbation over vaginal intercourse which could open the door to bisexuality or homosexuality/ lesbianism. Bottom line with or without seed being spilled we are to lead people to holiness and not to near occasion for sin or put stumbling blocks in their path. Just my perspective, God bless!
Don't mean to attack you. I agree with most of what you said. It's just the way you said it seemed to imply that oral sex and masturbation would be allowed on when a couple is not abstaining. I've heard other Catholics use this argument before that oral sex, mutual masturbation and even anal sex is allowed as foreplay as long as no seed is wasted and the man finishes the act in the vagina but logically it doesn't make sense because sodomy a.k.a unnatural sexual acts should not be allowed at all. The same as robbing a bank can not be justified if you give the money to the poor in the end the same way sodomitical foreplay is not justifiable by completing the act through vaginal intercourse.
Pastor Mark, I am so grateful that the Holy spirit has led me to your sermons and talks. I admire you and your wife! Have you read Pope John Paul II’s Man and Woman He created them: A Theology of the Body? As a practicing Catholic, most of my life- Every marital act is suppose to be open to life. Getting “creative” during times of fertility theologically goes against the order, and can shift the act from love to lust (mutual masterbation). I don’t think having all the kids you can is right, but I also don’t know how to accept any other truths. Praying for discernment for all of us.
Never once referenced the Bible and was too concerned about political correctness.
Yeah. Like I just wanted a straight answer with reference or none.
Yeah. Like I just wanted a straight answer with reference or none.
It’s not about being politically correct. It’s about not adding anything or taking anything away. You all aren’t listening for comprehension. You want someone to soothe your itching ears. Contraception isn’t mentioned in The Bible so there’s nothing to reference.
Contraception was invented since ancient Mesopotamia. It is not used in the Bible so there is no support for using it.
I am someone who is currently using condoms and has 2 children & even I found his argument to be riddled with worldly excuses. Basically you are saying that it’s ok to not trust in Gods timing and planning because having another child might be “difficult or costly” during a crisis? You are essentially saying it’s ok to play God and dictate when it’s the right time for another child ? I think all you did was convict me of how sinful contraception might actually be. I thought it was ok as I’m 40 and I don’t know if I want to have another child at 40. However that’s up to God. Ultimately he can bring another baby if he wants to, he is God. Condoms aren’t fool proof. They break and they come off. If he wants to bring a baby into this world he will. However the pill and anything that stops a woman from producing eggs/fertilisation and changes her hormones ect that’s playing God.
In the name of opposing “legalism” he falls into a form of relativism. He does not even provide a biblical view of sex as it relates to procreation. He seems to be either totally unaware or dismissive of the fact that prior to the 1930s that artificial BC was universally rejected by all churches. There was always an understanding that there significant moral difference between natural and unnatural means. This does mean that there can’t be exceptional cases. But we need to lay down general rules before we can lay down exemptions. This type of “legalism” is exactly what we need in the church today.
Jeffery Dahmers mom was pretty bad to him and a terrible mother. It definitely affected him. Trusting God is reading his word and having wisdom. God said if you ask for wisdom and don't use it it's okay, it's available in an endless supply, but so many people lack it.
It’s hilarious that five is considered a big family nowadays.
Yeah poverty is hilarious.
What 😂 ok ya goof
So is pulling out not accepted by the Catholic Church?
Something I do is use a birth control method that thin the uterine lining ie copper iud. because I still have a natural cycle/release of an egg and period I sm able to track my natural cycle and will either avoid the 7 fertile days or use condoms so that the iud is only technically used to kill sperm in non fertile periods in the worst event it doesn't they eill naturally die in the body before an egg is released
Just snother option for people that felt comfortable.
Is injection family planning bad??
Your analogies are just not valid sorry. Also, your arguments are just worldly excuses but don’t really touch on the theological matter
Oh, sorry, any oral sex, mutual maturation, etc is also not allowed during times when couples are abstaining during fertile times if you are not planning on finishing the sexual act in vaginal intercourse. This is the only option for couples who are not able to have any more children temporarily or perpetually which is not sinful. Sex between a husband and wife must be unitive and procreative, no spilling of semen. Birth control pills do a huge disservice to women's bodies, too. What cross are a husband and wife not willing to help Christ carry? You are very seriously wrong and need to read Humanae Vitae and Casti Canubii. Right is right, wrong is wrong. What is true is true, no exceptions. Anything else is sinful.
You must be Catholic
Your argument is biased. If you take the approach of making your point and letting people make their own conscientious decisions.
Perhaps your argument would add value.
Because I understand that you think this is very wrong, but you come off as a legalistic person, and therefore you are not helping us see your point, but stand at a point where what you say is what goes and are not willing to walk through this process with anyone. You just want them to take your word for it.
Oral sex and mutual masturbation is still wrong even no seed is wasted and the act is followed by vaginal intercourse.
If oral sex and masturbation was allowed as foreplay then what exactly is wrong with lesbianism? Then two lesbians can also have oral sex and masturbate each other because they don't have any sperm to waste. If it's all just about not wasting sperm then why can't two lesbians who are married to each other practice mutual masturbation and oral sex but a Christian husband and wife can? And then technically two gay men can also have oral sex and masturbate each other as long as they don't climax.
That kind of reasoning doesn't make any sense. Either oral sex and mutual masturbation, with or without climax, is sodomy and is not allowed for both same sex and heterosexual couples or it is allowed for both same sex and heterosexual couples.
Adultery is still adultery even if there was no climax because they were maybe interrupted and didn't have time to finish. The same goes for fornication it's still fornication even if there was no climax so why all of a sudden do the rules change when it comes to sodomy and people pretend like sodomy is not sodomy anymore as long as ejaculation didn't take place?
Besides it's unholy, perverted and unclean putting your mouth on someone's genitals with or without seed being wasted, cleanliness is next to nothing to godliness!
Even if it was just about not wasting seed it's still wrong because when you are stimulating a man's penis you are causing his body to want to release sperm and in some cases he will not be able to control himself and even if he manages to hold it it's still a sin to put yourself in a situation which causes a near occasion for sin. Telling someone they can have oral sex as long as no sperm is being released is like telling your child they can play with fire as long as they don't get burned.
Also there is danger in letting couples do this because they might develop a preference for oral sex and masturbation over vaginal intercourse which could open the door to bisexuality or homosexuality/ lesbianism.
Bottom line with or without seed being spilled we are to lead people to holiness and not to near occasion for sin or put stumbling blocks in their path.
Just my perspective, God bless!
Don't mean to attack you. I agree with most of what you said. It's just the way you said it seemed to imply that oral sex and masturbation would be allowed on when a couple is not abstaining. I've heard other Catholics use this argument before that oral sex, mutual masturbation and even anal sex is allowed as foreplay as long as no seed is wasted and the man finishes the act in the vagina but logically it doesn't make sense because sodomy a.k.a unnatural sexual acts should not be allowed at all. The same as robbing a bank can not be justified if you give the money to the poor in the end the same way sodomitical foreplay is not justifiable by completing the act through vaginal intercourse.
This is the legalism witnessing that Mark warned against at the start of the video. Did you watch it? 😂
Pastor Mark, I am so grateful that the Holy spirit has led me to your sermons and talks.
I admire you and your wife!
Have you read Pope John Paul II’s Man and Woman He created them: A Theology of the Body?
As a practicing Catholic, most of my life- Every marital act is suppose to be open to life.
Getting “creative” during times of fertility theologically goes against the order, and can shift the act from love to lust (mutual masterbation).
I don’t think having all the kids you can is right, but I also don’t know how to accept any other truths.
Praying for discernment for all of us.
Even the Catholic Church does not teach every single marital act must be open to life, or NFP would contradict that teaching
NFP is about practicing planned times to avoid each other so it completely supports that every act should be open to life