Busted 3rd Gear = T5 Transmission Rebuild - MuscleCar S7, E1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
- The finishing touches are put on the Fox Body Mustang, Dark Horse, and then it heads to the track, where the guys run into some issues.
PARTS USED IN THIS EPISODE:
Loctite: Anti-Seize, Stick, Copper, 20 g, Each
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Loctite: Sealant, PST Thread Sealant Stick, 19 g, Each
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Royal Purple: Grease, Ultra-Performance, Synthetic, 14.5 oz. Tube, Each
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American Powertrain Systems: AMERICAN POWERTRAIN-FORD T5 manual transmission rebuild kit
Dake: Single Phase Dura Press, featureS an electric power unit, lever control ram advance, a double-acting cylinder, and one hand ram positioning.
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I've broken at least a dozen T5's in my 406 third gen camaro and it's usually always 3rd gear that fails. I love dumping the clutch in 3rd gear and doing 1/8 mile burnouts, T5's do not.
This episode taught me that you can't be to aggressive when you shove something in a hole
Just be careful which hole.
😉 Just use a dab of some Royal Purple grease
@Dave Micolichek yeah. But certain holes are less appreciated than others for aggressive usage.
that has nothing to do with the driver. T5 flexes and knocks teeth off third gear. if the engaement teeth were sheared you could blame driver error
Next time use a little astrolube!!
He shifts like he's driving a dump truck
Seeing you take that transmission apart reminded me of a time when my father had an old 3 speed transmission apart. A friend came over and thought he was going to pull a fat one on my father by putting a gear he had in his car in with my father's parts. He probably gave a little away by asking my father where the gear he had stuck in went. After only a minute or two my father said it doesn't go with this transmission. My father was pretty adept. I remember him bringing old milk dispenser machines back in the 60's and working on them and getting them working properly. Thanks for sharing.
My father was rebuilding a 5 speed from a Subaru that I bought off my friends parents...he came over and asked "How can you put that back together, without a manual?" He answered "Easy, it resembles a VW transmission (he was a Porsche tech for 25 years) and honestly it easy...each gear is different size, hard to mix up reverse from 5th, 1st, etc!" We were amazed. $400 car ran forever afterward 🙂
These guys make it look so easy! Trans is hard af to work on.
i know your right
I could easily diagnose that problem! Trouble is I couldn't get the thing back together again. Love your channel.
Tommy, You have improved you position in life. I hope that they do a show just on you one day. Then also do a show on every person that has worked on the show.. Yes from the first day till now.
Another great show guys.
Watching Tommy rebuild that T5 made me cringe. So many things wrong. Smashing the tail stock off like that with a mallet distorts the front shifter bolt holes (seen it 100 times). He did not replace the 1st/2nd shift hub which I could seen by the wear on it is going to cause it to sooner than later pop out of 2nd gear. ($30 part) He did not replace the worn out bearing retainer with a new steel one ($30 part that is what makes that clutch chirping sound at idle till you touch the the clutch pedal and causes you throw out bearing to hang up on release) and my favorite rubbing the sealer over the top cover holes which forces the sealer down into the holes and causes cracks in the case. So put in a $1000 2.95z gear set without replacing two $30 parts that are going to cause you problems down the road.
Well...if you don't do this stuff everyday...
Thanks for passing along that info though!
Good catch, he didn’t preload the bearings either. Actually I didn’t notice if he did replace the bearings, Maybe I missed that part?
Great show guys!!👍🏻
Nice Fox body!! Love the darkout!!
Very informative.. Makes me wanna try and rebuild a T5
I have broken at least 10 T5 Transmissions over the years and it's always 3rd gear with the exception of one time I snapped the input shaft right in half, T5's cannot handle any power whatsoever especially when you're running slicks and nitrous ! I kept Bob Hanlon from Hanlon Motorsports in Pennsylvania very busy over the years .
Damm, now I don't feel so bad about the 4 T-5's i grenaded in my GT, same issue always 3rd even with a pro 5.0 shifter with stops set. It was just not a fan of power shifting, or sticky track prep surfaces, add a good set of tires into the mix and it was only a matter of time until you hear that dreaded sound of metal in the case!
TREMERIC makes a T5 tramsmissupn that can be spec'd out to handle 1000 horsepower
3rd gear every time, but it was okay for stock power
Enjoyed the transition rebuild
Terrific job
Good stuff!
outstanding!!!
That F. Body looked like a fun project.
You just voided your juk yard 'warrenty' as soon as you turned off the first bolt in that box........
For real, good video guys.
Hello from the Bahamas 🌴🥥
Its ALWAYS 3rd gear in a t5
Nope lost 5th in mine
@Dave Micolichek I second that
3rd is by far the most common broken. Being in the center of the main shaft gear cluster it has the least amount of support from the bearings. As the load increases the main and cluster shafts push apart from each other and when the already small amount of tooth contact diminishes, ka-boom. Especially if the cluster shaft isn't held in place with the proper preload. With a billet steel cluster shaft retainer and proper preload you have a slightly better chance for longer life.
@@classics289 second that
With those black tint windows, every Cop in the County will be pulling you over. LOL
Small correction, do not shim to 0, the bearings need .001” - .002” preload to seat the bearings.
Nice chrome sunglasses Rick
Been watching these shows for a while, and every time I have the same thought, I need an impact in Abad way....
T5 broke doing donuts in my 94 ...got a rebuilt one added h/c/I still going strong and it went 12.9 @ 108 at 3360 with me in the car still going strong . You just cant clutch drop them at 5k they are not as weak as people say they are.
When I had my s10 with 360ci sb in it I could break a t5 at will. The only gear I had was 4th. Took every tooth off the back side of the input shaft and the counter shaft.
Good job 👏
Why wasn’t the trans inspected prior to installation??
I would do unspeakable things to be able to do half the stuff you did this mustang to my Mustang
First I built alot of T-5 they updated the 3rd gear and you have to get updated cluster gear as well too
I’ll see myself out thanks
No need to worry about emission test in Giles county!
Blew my T5 gearbox
I would imagine that's why alot of people were swapping Toyota five speeds into performance vehicles in Australia.
Never like the sail panels on the '79 to '86 fox body mustangs. The Capri had nicer ones, but I prefer to change the quarter windows to the '87 to '93 models which eliminates the plastic sail panels.
i was literally just thinking about rebuilding the T-5 in my s10 because 3rd sounds like the bearings are bad
th-cam.com/users/GearWorldTV
What year is your S10?
@@Thundarr9951995 s10, 2.2l inline 4 engine
@@iammee1111 Thanks!!!
I had a worn bogner wc t5 in my 93 2.8. Reverse was junk. Even after they rebuilt it. Grinded everytime.
I need the part number on the front bearing retainer that the throw out bearing rides on my t5 bearing retainer won’t work on the bell housing in using on my 69 ford f 100 and I need a retainer like the one on your transmission
I had a t5 in my 88 s10 iron duke. Going down the freeway it dropped the bearing for the fifth pack. Talk about a heart breaker. Just got done rebuilding the old duke when I happened. Another $450 to rebuild the t5 on my kitchen table man the ex wife was pissed haha
Ha!! Manual Trans rebuild is a cake walk...try an automatic rebuild sometime if you want a challenge.
I hate doing automatic transmissions
We got rid of that useless emissions nonsense a while back in SC. Power to the people!
Boy does that take me back! I went thru 3 manuals chipping the shit out of internals!
Henry Handcuff will go Berserk regarding the Window Tint
This dude seriously said a T5 rebuild would challenge any gearhead. LOL
Isnt the t5 only good for low power ?
anyone know of a good video or article on a t-45 tear down/rebuild ??? its like that transmission has been erased from history.
I can't believe what people are asking for a foxbody 5.0 on CL nower days...🙄😑
Yep and hard to find them unmolested
Even the clapped out ones are overpriced...
Can you please send me a direct link to the rebuild kit you purchased? I've tried going on the website but it doesn't show any rebuild kit for my fox body t5.
This guy is the man! th-cam.com/users/GearWorldTV
Parts are constantly on backorder though
I got one word
TREMEC
I'd like to see a repair the dipstick tube
My non world class t5 did the same thing 3rd lost chunks opened it up and the mercon V in it looked like metalic deep red paint blocking ring for 3rd was trashed and it ate up the slide with it making 4th gear stick meaning i only had 1st , 2nd and 5th to actually use 3rd wouldnt engage and 4th would hang up when i would try to disengage to shift to 5th or down to second.
Isn't non world class supposed to have gear oil in it and world class with the 3 piece synchronizers supposed to get the ATF?
Should have went with a 2.3l Lima race engine or turbo. It is smaller lighter and puts out a lot of power. Less weight faster car.
Thanks to editing this man can look at manual call someone etc etc etc. Have huge bankroll and big guns to call. Im fairly certain is first hes done and see the parts that flew apart because he wasn't going slow and I'm absolute certain he knows right where they go. NOT. And doesn't have to work because of editing he can just throw a whole other unit in he bought rebuilt. I never have trusted Hot rod magazine people or magazines. Kind of like DR movies they look smart and look like they are top tier Dr's. Is a few I think know their stuff.
All the funds they have and they don't have a tear down table? Bearing races just fall in loosely and no mention of yellow safe gear lube.
Those arent shavings...them some chunks...
3rd gear is broken, , ,Dolly Parton is busted. it's nice to know the difference.
Oh, forgot to mention....chasing a ford oil leak is like trying to pull the moon out of the sky....good luck!!!
A stock C6 with a gearvendor under/overdrive and it'll live forever with that 302. And, 6 speed automatic why not
N. Vzla - absolutely the best way to go, esp in a car that will be seeing a lot of track time.
Better not take that car to Virginia. They would have swat on you with those tinted windows
That's the damned truth there. I lived in Tennessee for a while, just north of them. VA tagged me on i81 going a bit fast, got me on my tint, too... "it's too dark for even Tenn"... and the tint on the Fox looks a helluva lot darker than mine was...
@@crazyeyez1502 i have family in Bristol and the law on the Virginia side is always looking for reasons to pull someone over
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On power nation bring out the geo out
A GM Fully Synchronized 5-Speed transmission. Does anybody want to work on it?
Can you guys do an Aisin MA-5 takedown?
I BOUGHT A B.W.T 10 4SPEED FOR MY 57 CHEV ,327.FOR 100.00 40 YEARS AGO , I PUT IN IN AND WENT FOR A TEST DRIVE ,IT SHIFTED GREAT BUT NO SECOND .SO I PULLED IT BACK OUT .SOMEONE HAD PULLED SECOND GEAR OUT AND GROUND IT DOWN SMOOTH AND PUT IT BACK IN.W.T.F.
Looks like a 2.95 or Z-Spec type
A 4 headlight LX.
Too bad she's a hatch and not the notch back version mustang! The hatches are heavy and offer to much flex! That roll cage should help a bit though!
Should have left it unpainted and called it "patina". 😆
I love my state no test required
I bet I know which... Mine doesn't either.
They rolled it out in the late 80's to early 90's. Cars and trucks lined the highways everywhere! Only 2 or 3 new cars/trucks out of almost 100 per day could pass, even then... Most all would fail the test and fights were breaking out at the inspection stations.
People took it as an offense when they were told they couldn't drive their new truck/car to work and to not drive it until it was fixed. Conundrum for sure with a sticker that was to not be removed by anyone other than the station who inspected it.
Less than two months in and the state pulled it all out. No one could pass because cars and trucks not sold on California were built to different standards and the all of equipment was calibrated for *"CALIFORNIA'S EMISSIONS TEST!"*
The "friend" state has been saving lives ever since!
Same here got a 87 MGM last year safety 💪💪💪
*_Every show title has secondary story added with it so your left thinking why did I click on this.._*
Thought T5's were only good & safe for around 300HP?
Depends on what you do with it , how heavy the car is, and if it gets traction. They will put up with more than 300 hp if you don't run slicks and don't power shift 2nd to 3rd. I could break them at will in a 450 hp 406 3400 lb 3rd gen camaro. I could also make them last for quite a while if I didn't have any spares in the garage. The later T5 World Class a little stronger.
Just how old are these videos, seem to be 10 years at least.
W Hoggdoc Rick Bacon left to his own shop, so at least 10 years , maybe more
What you want to do is shove the main shaft forward....
These are the easiest transmission to work on, can get parts easy just sucks they don’t hold much power
He didnt put the sealer in cus he forgot
mainshaft was prolly bent no runout check not good
Here on the moon we have no emissy
Why would anyone want to rebuild a box of shit? Back in ‘99 when I had my ‘84 Z/28, the first thing I did was yank the “H.O.” 305 and that pathetic box of junk T5 and sold them to the scrap man. I dropped in a mildly built 350 with a Tremec 5 speed. Never had a problem no matter how hard I launched it. The Tremec did require some custom mounts and I had to engineer an offset to locate the shifter in the proper position, but it worked out perfectly.
Yeah working on a manual transmission is nowhere near the extreme headache and level of complexity and difficulty as it is trying to work on an automatic transmission
And im talking about the actual internal parts. Not replacing a governor or some simple ass shit like that
Irisponsible TV powernation.
Yeah we know we have an oil leak but let's run it down the track a few more times till it really squirts out all over the place.
What the hell do we care about the next guy going down the track.
Kinda helps when you rent out the track for the day and you know, you're the ONLY person going down the damn track...
@@AutoYoung you haven't a clue what this is about by your reply. Go to bed
@@anastyb
Can't even spell irresponsible and I'm pretty sure you have spell check so you've made a smartphone dumb...
T5 is a very straight forward trans. Try a ZF5, German over-engineering...
Dump the t-5 get a tremec takes torque for about the same cost as an upgraded rebuilt t-5.
10.3 in the 1/8th?
Damn that's slow
You're slow. You don't listen very well. He wasn't going full throttle, he was short shifting it, and the car still hadn't been tuned. Why watch of you're not going to listen?
@@AutoYoung can i have excuses ricers make for 100 dollars Jim
For $500 you can just get a rebuilt transmission.
It's a shame they put automatic transmission fluid in im from factory that's the whole ranger/ mustang problem. You can see the automatic fluid on the ground below it how sad.
Video makes it a lot easier than it really is, they skipped the fk out of it...and about 10 times too much sealer, you need hardly any.
Aren't they taking the term gearhead a bit too literally?
F..that sniff tester..
First thing I do with a carb car with cat on it is take cat off and trash it lol! Useless junk!
Try remaking a automatic!!!
Ya might try rebuilding one and then find out ya need expensive tools or a jig to get it back together. NVG3500 Chevy or Dodge truck...probably need a jig. You can get it together without one but it's a bitch if you've never done it before.
now Tommy going to get pulled over by a police officer and handed a citation for window tint that is to dark.
You do realize this video is of a tv show that aired around 10-15 years ago right?
You should of sold that piece of sh#$ and got Tremec tko!
Shift better!
How many of you have torn apart a t5,.... or any transmission?
I have. broke 3rd 3 times before the "world class" T5 was created. That one lasted the rest of the time I had my car.
@@dodgeplow WOW!!!
@@8000RPM. I wrote a reply but it disappeared. in the 80's Ford and Borg-Warner didn't expect the 5.0 to become as modified/powerful as it did. I still have one of the gears on my desk as a paperweight
@@dodgeplow If I recall correctly the T5 was originally behind 6 cylinder engines.
@@8000RPM. it was in 4, 6, and 8 cylinder engines. Not sure which came first, but they did have different torque ratings
Buying transmissions is like buying peanut butter.....unfortunately you bought chunk-style instead of creamy....better luck next time.
Tom Nekuda I like chunky peanut butter though
U GOT A GEAR BOX FROM JUNKYARD AND YOU DIDN'T OPEN IT UP BEFORE U INSTALLING IT
You guys are putting dated components on air - most ppl don't even use the T-5 when it comes time to upgrading a manual - either a TKO 600 or T-56 Magnum.
I have a 2001 by with this t5
Its helpful at least to see how the rebuild is done.
I 100% agree with your upgrade perspective, but for someone like me, this video was helpful to see the rebuild isn't too bad.
Cheers mate
@@azazel7752 I agree and understand - there are a lot of ppl running these T-5s. They will do for plenty of applications under 500 horse that won't be launching hard - good video for anyone wanting to do a rebuild.
Rdubfalco
- After the SROD was replaced, every manual Fox mustang, and several Camaros, came with one of these from the factory. If you aren't overpowering it significantly, it works just fine. No need to spend $2500 - $3000 when $200 in parts is all you need to get you going if you didn't break 3rd on the cluster. And it's 35 lbs lighter making it easier remove and replace.
Lollll
The T5 was never a very good transmission for high torque high horsepower applications.
A great gearbox for a mild six.
Why botherbwith T5. It will break again. Get a Tremec and be done with it.
Forgot how much this show went downhill after the first few seasons..