@@soyymaafia6004 sadly she is no longer with us, but yes she did, there is a video on my channel where she is playing with her catnip mouse. Tell about your house-panter,
@@jettec9411 I had black cat then I adopted his brother from the same parents, but different litter a year later. Shadow unfortunately died when he was two but his brother is still with me and will be 5 in July. He's the one in my avatar.
@@thegatorhator6822 is it abuse when you just weren’t probably informed. The parents were doing what they thought was the best health choice for their child not someone else’s. They didn’t make those decisions with the intention to cause harm to their child. If they were trying to hurt the baby, the last place you take them is to a hospital where someone would call child protective services.
@@bhawk12h it's their job to be properly informed. Manslaughter still gets you prison time and 'accidentally' abusing your children is still abusing them.
@@thegatorhator6822 but that's not abuse there is no way that holds up in a court of law espically if house is there to testify. Manslaughter exsit cause is accidental. Abuse criteria must have intent or negelect and what they have displayed here is not negligence, at least not by legal definition. So yah no house made the right call.
Honestly really love how House cares so much for kids, like the kid on the spectrum or when he threw away his cane to run to save a child when usually he will just call someone else to do it even if he is in the room (adults lie and are evil so according to his misanthropy but kids are of the utmost importance and still protects the innocent and shows that he cares way more that he’ll ever admit)
Could someone tell me in which episode did he throw his cane and run to save a child? Can't remember this moment. Upd. Found it. Season 2, episode 22 "Forever"
One thing I want to point out that is *objective* and shown in this clip: when a doctor told them the diet was the problem, they didn’t argue and promised to change it. Regardless of their previous choices and what was ultimately right or wrong, they proved they are caring parents with that response.
They also gave all the info they could to the doctor up front telling him about the dieet change instead of dnying that it could possibly be something they did.
there are vegan parents out there starving their kds. alot of them are still around, never arrested and continuing the chiId abuse. they are slowly kiIIng their chiIdren with a vegan diet. humans arent herbivores!
Yeah, I expected them to be insufferable and hateable but I actually really liked them. They seem like good parents. Sure they made the mistake of accidentally starving the baby but they fixed it immediately and it wasn’t out of hate.
@@janderson947 many toddlers will still communicate that something is wrong. Their ability to communicate is limited by their world knowledge and experience rather than a desire to conceal the truth.
Something important this clip left out was that the parents made bail and came back to talk to House. They told him they consulted with a nutritionist about the diet she was on, who turned out to be the mothers uncle. This was enough to have House order more tests. Turned out the baby had a genetic disorder which caused her thymus gland to wither away, which was the real reason she couldn't gain weight. He brought this information to Cuddy and she called the police and social services and had all the charges withdrawn.
Yeah as someone who grew up in a home with a child molester this is absolutely true. It doesn't matter if the kid is unhappy. Kid has to stay until they're 12 and can tell the judge who they want to live with. Went to the authorities multiple times but there wasn't enough evidence to convict my step dad of molesting me and my sister. My sister eventually ran away and I ended up moving out. I still have two younger siblings living with them. It sucks because CPS didn't even REMOVE me or my siblings from their care while he was being investigated. Sooo yeah CPS will only get involved with cases that have concrete proof. Its bullshit.
@@carb_8781 Regardless of the fantasy in the show, it is a reality that feeding a child a vegan diet is abuse, and living on a diet consisting mostly of carbohydrates is also incredibly damaging to your metabolic system
I mean... humans didn't evolve to be herbivores... To give a baby this kind of food instead of maternal milk and actual baby food IS actual abuse. I would even say that it should be illegal for people to feed their children under 18 exclusively vegan food. After 18, they can do whatever they want.
Parents: *feeds their kid* Parents: *notice things are wrong and brings kid to the hospital* Dr: Change your feeding habits. Parents: absolutely! Kid: *gets better* Hospital: *has parents arrested for neglect and abuse* Meanwhile, a child two blocks away is beaten and starved for attention and CPS refuses to remove them from their home.
@@TentaclePentacle No, they didn't do the right thing, you just hate vegans. 🙄 The fact they changed the baby's diet and the baby was doing better is proof they already learned the lesson.
@@TentaclePentacle There wasn't any abuse. They didn't try to hurt the kid and actively worked on finding and fixing the problem so it wouldn't happen again. That's the opposite of abuse.
In the end it wasn't even the parent's fault. They genuinely cared about the health of their baby, spoke with a nutritionist to ensure what they were feeding the baby was okay and then took her to the Doctor when they saw something was wrong. The baby had a genetic disorder.
My neighbour is a personal trainer and nutritionist. When they consult parents about their children, they always check for genetic disorders with the hospital first. They wouldn't have seen a nutritionist, because if they did, they would have known about the disorder.
I didn't like the Anti-Vegetarian Tone of The Clip. My Mother died of Cancer of the Colon in late 1984. She suffered for many years with it about 5 years before she finally died from it. I was told that Colon Cancer is correlated with Eating Red Med. I cut back on Red Meat and I eventually became a Vegetarian. I think the VAst Majority of Eviddence shows that being a VEgetarian is Healthy.
@@HoldenNY22 red meat is fine as long as its part of a balanced diet. Eating too much carbs - which can also be found in fruits and vegetables - is also related to increased risk of cancer. Eating a balanced diet without overdoing it with one food group is the best way to "minimize" your risk of cancer but always keep in mind that there are other causes for cancer such as genes/family history, exposure to radiations in the environment, certain medical conditions, certain lifestyle choices such as smoking, etc. And sometimes it just happens without an obvious cause!
In a way, it's great that she has so much compassion for children patients, but to be this emotionally-driven as a doctor is a disaster waiting to happen. She might be good at administration and such, but she should not go anywhere near a patient if her judgement can be so easily clouded
@Friendly Bane listen I understand if it was really sure, but she didn't even talk to the parents and ask them anything. House said don't be morons they said we understand and cuddy just went straight for the throat. I mean they where dumb but not not really as the babies real issue was not being able to process fats or something like that so they were technically giving the kid what they needed just not the usual way. It's not like they were intentionally starving the kind it just looked like it cause of the vegan thing which people sometimes do wrong with babies, and no one realized it's actually something wrong with the kid.
What's funny about this scene is that it is later revealed that the Baby's starvation was due to a rare medical condition(digeorge syndrome), and had nothing to do with their diet.
@Lu Cheng your dumb stop talking, the mothers father was a certified nutritionist. The baby was probably getting those requirements from nuts and seeds, for fats, proteins, etc. Since ya know peanut oil, almond oil, cashew oil, etc etc. Oil is usually pretty fatty, and nuts contain more protein per lb then a nice juicy steak. People eat meat cause it tastes good, not because their aren't equavilants growing from plants.
@Lu Cheng except it was established that the Parents were feeding their Baby a balanced diet, as the mother's uncle was a nutritionist. That's what made House take a second look. Yeah, you shouldn't feed a baby nothing but sprouts and Tofu, but that wasn't the issue in this case
@Абдульзефир not really, humans are omnivores. It's why all our teeth aren't sharp like say, all carnivores on earth... Sorry to disrupt your delusion. Maybe you could spend your lifetime filing all your teeth, including those back molars designed for grinding plant matter.
@Абдульзефир then again you don't strike me as the kinda person smart enough to know the difference between a cat's teeth, and a cows teeth. Since you know dumb things come outta your mouth lol
Yeah, but still changing their diet from normal diet to vegan diet kinda what cause house to misinterpret the baby growth charts, if only they keep the baby on normal diet for crucial time frame and then it starts showing the symptoms, then pediatrician doesn't have to guessing whether the baby sick from the diet or it was other sickness or disease.
@@rahmadrenaldi2624 That was the doctors preconception of what they were feeding the baby. When he found out that the diet the baby was on was made by a nutritionist not some casher at whole foods he ordered the tests that discovered the problem I can't remember the disease that was causing it. It wasn't the fault of the diet it was Houses fault for thinking that all people are stupid and all patients lie. It is one of major fault in his character: Hubertus.
Is it just me or is House in season 1 more caring about his patients? He lied to give a transplant to one patient and now he is concerned about the vegan parents.
He’s definitely caring, but I feel like it fits the narrative of season 1 where he’s an edgy doctor that plays outside the box, but is a caring doctor at the end of the day, which is why Cuddy ultimately ditches Vogler instead of House. The “He did his job” scene from the board meeting, where Cuddy stands up for him, comes to mind. I feel like there are other instances of him caring later on but maybe less apparent. Like with the guy who travelled across the ocean with his wife to see House in the season 3 finale. House doesn’t take her off bypass cause he truly thinks he can cure her if he just finds the next right diagnosis. They always play his caring off as curiosity later on, even with the super brave young girl who has cancer, but sometimes you can tell he really cares.
House cares a ton secretly but he is way more obvious when it comes to babies and kids, like the kid on the spectrum with worms or him throwing away his cane and running across the floor to save a kid when with adults he might just call a nurse to do it so he doesn’t have to (he’s a misanthrope but mainly with adults who lie and cheat, kids are way more important and valuable)
I love how blunt he was being in explaining that they were inadvertently starving their baby. They looked so deflated when they realized that the diet was harmful to her. At least they were smart enough to listen
"explaining that they were inadvertently starving their baby." They weren't. "They looked so deflated when they realized that the diet was harmful to her. " The director told them to look that way. Humans are raw-vegans by nature, just like every primate. In real life the baby had a genetic condition
And they weren’t doing anything wrong. The baby’s diet was carefully developed by a nutritionist, she just wasn’t absorbing the nutrients because of a genetic disease. The parents were very responsible about their baby’s health, but apparently the people in charge of this channel thought vegans getting dunked on would sell better.
@@felipevasconcelos6736 No, it wasn't 'carefully developed by a nutritionist'. They asked him if it was alright. Besides, a vegan diet for a young child is not recommended. Then again, it depends on the type of veganism. Some vegan diets are just absurdly strict.
I’m seeing a lot of comments about how House has a soft spot for babies and children, and given his backstory I think that was a good call on the writers’ part. In “Three Stories” we find out about how he got his limp, and that 1) he didn’t listen to the doctor’s advice and wanted a very risky surgery, which he seems to show regret for (hence why he says all patients are idiots because he’s including himself), and 2) the decision was ultimately made by someone else. His right to refuse certain treatments was taken from him. Children are in a similar position where they can’t make their own medical decisions (which they shouldn’t. They’re children. They don’t know what’s best for them yet.) but the one who is making the decisions can sometimes be an idiot. House may not be able to give all children a choice, but he knows what it’s like to have your fate in the hands of another person, so he does the best he can: educate the caretakers, and keep the child alive until they can make a decision for themself.
Well said Brother, the "He gives Children chances, until they are capable of Their own medical choices" which is evident with the episode of the Cancer Girl, where he did gave her choice to take Life in her own hand...... that was Beautiful
They also weren't doing anything wrong. House finds out later that the diet they had the baby on was prepared and recommended by an actual certified dietitian and something else was causing the weight loss.
What I find funny is that in this episode Cuddy calls CPS immediately without all the facts but in the episode where the dad’s body wash was putting his young children through very early puberty, and they discovered the girl’s menstrual blood covered shirt in the vent, Cuddy ordered Cameron to do a full body examination of the girl to look for signs of potential abuse. She did her due diligence with that one but acted very swiftly based off concerned nurses in this one.
Tracey Ullman made a sketch about that. It's called Tracey Ullman - Female-Led Drama Television Review It's about 2:50 minutes long, but it's hilarious and also a bit sad.
I have to give a lot of credit to the actors who played the parents. They did a fantastic job of portraying people who didn’t know they were harming their child. They did a fantastic job of showing people who now understand and will change their behavior… until they were arrested. Serious props to those actors!
As a former foster parent, the whole scene where the police come in, arrest the parents and the social worker takes the baby is Hollywood drama. That isn't how it happens. In the 16 years I was a foster parent, only once did I ever hear of a situation where the police actually broke down the house doors and took the children in custody. (Trust me, it was definitely needed). More likely than not, the parents would have been interviewed by a social worker and then offered family preservation services. Rarely is taking a child into custody the first step and the child has to be in "immediate" danger. Lastly and I know this is nit picky but if they are trying to say that child is starving, they should actually have a child that looks like she is starving. This is clearly a healthy baby within a healthy weight range. I have seen children who are way under weight and this child is no where near what that looks like.
Thank you for mentioning the nitpicky thing about the child not looking like she's starving. I work with kids and know ones that are technically in the healthy range BUT could fit the bill for something like this (especially as the age of the baby is ambiguous). They could've/should've picked a diff baby (or used a prop)
That's not true. In Florida a baby can be taken from disabled parents right after birth because of the "possibility" of neglect. True they won't be arrested. Also once a baby is taken if usually takes a year minimum to get back your child.
"Those parents weren't abusive, they're idiots!" Which explains so many cases of endangerment, or neglect and why I truly believe it should be a mandatory requirement that all potential or new parents take courses on caring for a baby. Too many idiots having babies that have no idea how to take care of them, or go to unreliable sources and end up harming or even killing their children.
While you’re generally true, you’re false in hype context of this video. The parents didn’t just shove the baby on a diet of potatoes. They consulted a nutritionist at every single step. The reason the child lost so much weight was because she had a genetic condition, not the diet. Believe me. I would have lost it at this video if they didn’t. Think about it. They didn’t reject or question any of Dr.House’s medical treatments or advice. They took every measure suggested to save their daughter. So, in the case of this video, you’re wrong. The parents did consult with medical professionals, they didn’t just toss their child onto their hopes and dreams for the future of world sustainability.
Yes, and parents further harm their children by feeding them parts of animal corpses as they grow up, and the really sad part is when someone is old with heart disease or diabetes or all the typical diseases from eating corpses as a part of the standard American diet. People think they're taking care of them by still feeding them corpses.
Our hospital offered them and I took them all while.pregnant, but a year later they cut them. Weirdly the prices for maternity care still went up so who knows which administrator gave themselves a raise after axing that free life saving service that was fully enrolled every season. Hope the crewp sleeps well at night in their yacht while some infant chokes to death because that administrator cut the cpr lessons for expecting parents from the hospitals budget.
The world would be so much better if in order to have a child, you had to go through the same hoops you would to adopt a child. Classes, drug tests, financial responsibility assessments, criminal background checks....
they didnt even do anything wrong because in the full episode it shows that they where guiving the baby a full vegan diet correctly and that the baby was sick because it had some type of tumore that stoped it from growing
@@seungcheolswife Yeah, but a full vegan diet that young would still be harmful. So they did something wrong, but I wouldn't call it abuse as it was a mistake.
@@skotnica93 Its like House said, "they're not abusive, they're idiots." At least parents seem to want to learn from their idiocy. I actually respect that. Accepting that you were wrong and growing from it is going to make them great parents in the future.
@@pxrxy we're told we can start trying solids slowly in addition to breastfeeding/formula between 4-6mths. But anyway I was wondering watching the clip how old exactly is the baby? It wasn't said. Seemed pretty big though. Vegan can be fine but raw vegan sounds like it wouldn't work for an infant or child no matter how much nutritionist advice you're getting.
Since I've recently been on a House binge and saw the episode, let me chime in: The baby is not starving because it's on a vegan diet, it has an underlying condition.
They skip the ending! The parents had consulted a licenced dietitian about what they were feeding the baby. There was a different reason why the baby was sick and losing weight.
A raw herbivore diet was helping? Yes the baby had a genetic disorder (maybe caused by the herbivore diet the parents were on when they conceived) but feed a baby a herbivore diet is still not species appropriate.
There is no raw vegan diet that exists that is remotely appropriate for a baby. They would get a full stomach (and digestive issues) by the time they met about a tenth of their daily caloric requirements.
@@steakovercake3986 Really?? Do our stomachs match carnivore animals (our stomachs match much more to herbivores)? or any other known omnivore? what about our teeth, made to chew raw animal flesh? Or how other animals break down animal protein.. ? Do you know how well our bodies process animal protein? It literally takes calcium from your bones to break it down.. thus your need for dairy milk. Perfect combo for the meat and dairy industry huh If you were made to eat meat, go and hunt a deer.. don't cook it.. and eat the deer, see how it goes
When my son was considered failure to thrive twice (2½ and 7 months) I honestly was terrified of this happening. I was doing everything I possibly could. He had such severe reflux he just couldn't keep anything down. He was seeing a specialist 2-3 times a month 2½ hours away though to get all the care he needed. He's now 3 and healthy weight. No longer needing medicine.
That is not abuse, it's ignorance and stupidity that they have clearly learned from. Those parents clearly loved and cared about their child and its welfare. Taking it away was the wrong call.
it was not stupidity though, they got professional help with the diet, and it turned out that the diet wasn't the problem. The child would have wasted away on a non-vegan diet too.
@Gem Boyie M8 why do you post this when google could give you a quick answer? I'll keep it short: Where tf do you think the animals you eat got their protein from?
The funny thing is you find out later in the episode the child has a condition that house diagnosis (can't recall it) The parents were working with a nutritionist from the beginning to make sure their daughter was getting the nutrition she needed
Considering its somehow legal to intentionally not give your kids potentially life-saving vaccines, it seems insane that you could be arrested for accidentally screwing up their diet...
don't worry, if you read on the episodes and these comments, you know it was a genetic disorder (A user called Just some Guy said it was digeorge syndrome), which means the baby was not even absorbing fat. House is right that was his call, he was there to actual check it, Cuddy was not. I'm not doctor, but you think the doctor who was actually present and doing the examination would know more, then someone who wasn't right?
@@captainflowers748 But they didn't know that at the time. So as far as they knew, the parents were - as a result of their ignorance - starving the baby. Btw, that's neglect, not abuse.
@@zakle3805 Not always true. I grew up with extremely high functioning Autism, but I didn't have a proper diagnosis until I was 21. High school was absolute hell, I didn't get any of the help I needed. I couldn't connect with my peers because they were busy drawing penises on bathroom stalls while I was figuring out how to solder a modded chipset onto a ps2 so I could play the PAL version of GGX Isuka back in the early 2000s. I knew I was different but didn't know why. And as a result of the ADHD/ADD diagnosis popularity among doctors in the early 2000s, I was misdiagnosed and therefore didn't receive the treatment and help I needed. You can call that neglect, but it doesn't count as abuse because none of us knew any different. Neglect isn't always malevolent, and it's not necessarily premeditated. Of course, abuse isn't always malevolent or premeditated either, but that's a different discussion altogether.
Actually, this is a real threat. If a baby isn't within a certain weight range for it's age, and there's no sign of disease, they check a few things and if it appears the baby isn't being fed the right way, child protective services will get involved.
I am vegan and I agree with House. He never said the baby needed meat or dairy. He used the right words: fat, protein. I know that later we see the diet was not the problem but the doctor is actually being great here by saying that we need nutrients not products. Each individual has particular needs so we also need diet that take that into consideration. You may be vegan and not eating everything you need and eating things that don't agree with your body and the same with non vegans Also they are not just vegans, they are Raw.
@@noninoni9962 In my experience the people who invalidate others are the ones in the wrong Everything I said it's pretty self evident. If you have a different opinion, you can just say you disagree. Your opinion is not facts no matter how much you want to believe it is Please do not write to me again, I don't tolerate disrespect Goodbye
@@niaselah3348 Would you make the decision to raise your child as a vegan or wait until they make that decision themselves? One is wrong morally, the other good parenting. If you are in the latter, you are a good parent. You raise your child within their restrictions if they have any. Otherwise you should raise them with all the food groups, including meat.
I heard a story about parents from Georgia whose baby died from malnutrition because they were feeding it a strictly vegan diet. They eventually faced legal action because they were warned by doctors and family members and refused to change the kid's diet
Vegan here. Don't put your baby on a vegan diet. Their underdeveloped digestive system can't handle it. Breastfeeding your child is best. When they transition to solid foods you should speak with your pediatrician about proper diet. Also, don't force veganism on your child. Educate them on the advantages and the reasons for a plant based diet, expose them to plant based or plant rich meals at home, but don't chastise them if they make different lifestyle decisions from what you would prefer.
I grew up in a vegetarian household (didn't eat eggs, but milk was a strong part of my diet). I come from a long lineage of vegetarians. Both me and my sister were born premature, but grew up to be pretty fat toddlers. Our diet plan came from grandmother tricks, and mom's know-how. Vegans and Vegetarians get bad rep because of people who think eating salads and drinking almond milk is healthy. They don't know about lentils, seeds, rice, vegetables (cooked and many other versions) and most importantly spices. My parents said that as long as I'm in their house, I'm vegetarian. Yep, it was "forced" on me. But honestly, after I left their house (perfectly healthy by the way), I didn't change it.
@@orppranator5230 Sometimes, discipline doesn't need to change and certain "habits" can be maintained. Besides it's just a life choice. My opinion is a vegetarian with a balanced meal is no different than a meat-eater with a balanced meal. An unbalanced meal in any diet hurts anyone.
When I saw this episode when it first came out, I didn’t have the social services experience I do now. Seeing it now makes me realize how outlandish it was that they arrested them to begin with lol. I consulted on a case recently where the baby fell into a coma and CPS made assumptions pretty rapidly before it turned out to be a case of diabetes they hadn’t known about, and I considered THAT an overreaction by CPS (the parents weren’t arrested or charged but the investigator was kind of already verbalizing assumptions of abuse in the first day or two after the coma before all test results were back).
Ah yes but when I reached out to my school guidance counselors about being abused it just came down to “my moms a single mom doing her best” 🙄 not to mention she beat me after she talked to them lmao they really don’t give af for the kids who need it
While House was probably annoyed at the vegan diet from a medical standpoint I don't think it truly mattered. He mentioned the meat thing because: 1) it's House 2) the baby lost a considerable amount of weight in a month. The weight loss is nothing to overlook as she has a compromised immune system from the pneumonia so the weight loss would be an added blow that would cause severe damage if it wasn't addressed. House suggested the meat thing because it would be something that would quickly get her weight back up. I haven't seen this episode for a while, but the parents werent overly "preachy" like other couples House has encountered. They explained their diet, House suggested the meat thing, and they didn't argue with him. They agreed. While it can be argued that she would've gotten the right nutrients on the current diet, one of the issues was that she wasn't getting it that's why she got sick and had the weight loss. It wasn't because of a starvation diet it was due to an underlying illness. The reason why CPS got involved was bc the weight loss was dramatic. Again, I forgot most of the episode but the point was that medical staff are mandatory reporters. House didn't do anything because he examined the baby and saw no abuse. But the medical staff are responsible, and by law they have to report it or be guilty of child endangerment. People can argue one side or the other about the diet. Personally if I was following that diet I would introduce it gradually. My infant cousins all have had lactose intolerance, and drank almond milk when they were young. Some of the food that the parents gave the child are not extreme, and are quite common. But if you do it all at once it may be hard to pin point what is happening (i.e. can't digest carrots) if there are too many variables in place.
i like how the show showed how ignorant doctors are about diets when House realized he was wrong and the diet wasn't hurting the baby at all, later in the episode. If you want to know about food, ask a dietician (RD), not a doctor, not a nutritionist, not a youtube commenter.
Yah except by the end of the episode it’s revealed that the parents do everything House tells them to and she is still losing weight bc her diet wasn’t the problem but the fact that she had a rare disease that House never considered bc of his prejudice
I’m not sure why people just scream abuse, when the entire point of the story is that they were not abusive (and house was wrong). This has nothing to do with her diet. It’s a condition.
@@curlyhairdudeify then according to actual science, and doctor house “you are a mor- wait for it - on. Feeding your child anti oxidants rich diets, including things like beans which are incredibly dense in vital minerals like iron, magnesium, etc(more so than any animal food by a long shot), is actually setting them up for long term health. Instead of just throwing a cheese burger on a plate, calling it healthy because you made it at home, but never even having them meet anti oxidants or fiber or mineral needs
@@MrMasterDebate i love how you immediately went defensive when bacchanalia was so very obviously making a joke that you perfectly set up. and felt the need to attack anyone who dares eat a larger variety of food than you
@@MrMasterDebate because it's been deemed by the law that feeding an infant a vegan diet is abuse and they used a nutritionist which is an unregulated term which means the diet wasn't created by a medical professional and is deemed abuse and intention neglect of a child. It gets the nutritionst charges as well. Abuse is abuse ignorance is not an excuse
Absolutely never trust a ‘nutritionist’ if you want actual viable science viz food, diet and physiology then you want to speak to a person called a Dietician and a consult from an everyday practicing MD Physician can’t hurt. It’s amazing how much ‘nutritional science’ is total hokum. It has to be some of the most difficult stuff to study because you can’t exactly pull a double blind placebo controlled study on Food. Five year longitudinal study’s are completely out of the question..
@@bulcsuzsiga1824 big difference. Humans can eat vegan. And furthermore human babies can, IF properly implemented and supervised by someone who actually knows what they're doing. Like is explained in this episode. It is completely unnatural and unethical for dogs to be completely vegan.
@@kylovesart Well, it’s technically unnatural for humans to eat a vegan diet. Humans are biologically made to be omnivores, but can survive as vegans if they’re careful about their diet.
@@lucheng1945 that's fair. Perhaps unnatural was a poor choice in words. But the point stands that humans can function just fine if properly attempted. Dogs cannot.
No, the Hospital made the wrong call. Separating babies from their parents should be the last resort, not the first, the parents were foolish but not malicious, and they were listening to House when he told them what they were doing wrong, they shouldn't have been arrested.
honestly i believe it should be a persons own decision what they eat - don’t force veganism onto your child, wait until they’re old enough to decide for themselves
I think this couple was dangerously ignorant, but at least these parents (unlike most) took this advice to heart and decided to change what they were doing for the welfare of the baby. Dangerously ignorant, yes, changed for the better, yes. (Social services should actually go for actual abusers--like child molesters and child abuse.)
Yeah the road to hell is paved with good intentions and all that. They were in the wrong but they learned and grew. They weren’t abusive just dangerously uninformed or even misinformed. In today’s age of information it’s easy to find so called “experts” tell you all sorts of nonsense whilst sounding very convincing. So I agree that they shouldn’t have to deal with social services.
@@someonerandom8552 Actually the parents weren’t doing anything wrong-the baby’s diet was planned by a nutritionist and baby was getting everything they needed. When House found out the diet was being looked over by an actual nutritionist, he ordered some tests and found out the baby has a genetic condition that doesn’t let you absorb fats. So the diet was actually fine, and the parents were being fully responsible about it, baby just had a genetic condition. I will full heartedly agree that it can be harder to make sure a baby gets all the nutrition needed from a plant-based diet, (let alone a raw diet), but most baby food is fruits and veggies with milk-which a baby can easily have soy milk. A nutritionist should 100% be involved just because there’s less readily available info on how to keep your baby healthy on a restrictive diet. But that doesn’t mean it can’t be done responsibly or with no issues. If the parents had their baby on a hippie blog’s diet, then yes the parents are dumbasses, but they were doing everything right.
@@emikookime1849 Nutritionist isn't a protected term. Any person can claim to be a nutritionist. Having a nutritionist create a diet for a baby is stupid bordering on child abuse. Dietician is the protected term.
@@geoffreysorkin5774 A nutritionist working in a hospitals are going to be registered dietians, the academy of nutrition and dietetics which is responsible for accrediting RDs says that a plant based vegan diet is safe for all stages of life.
I work with families affected by child welfare and I am shocked and horrified at the abuse and power I see being wielded against poor, ignorant people...it's almost as traumatic and shocking as the criminal justice complex and leaves a lifetime of trauma.
What pisses me off is the fact that the parents were honestly trying to do the best for their child. They didnt even try to argue about the diet and they listened to house as the doctor. They prioritized their baby over the pride and were concerned with her first and foremost. God. But this just pisses me off. A lot. Its never the Actual Abuse that they go after, its always these kind of issues. Ugh.
"You made the wrong one" Cuddy is an idiot, she hasn't been a real doctor in years (they said so in the show and she later on admitted it), it's very easy for someone in any profession to look at a chart or any piece of data and say whatever they want without knowing any context. Cuddy was proven to be wrong since the baby had a genetic disorder which caused the weight loss, also you don't call child services and the police without at minimum talking to the parents, very unrealistic situation. Cuddy just saw a chart, saw the doctor was House (assumed he was being lazy) and called the cops? Very irresponsible of her, she legally wasn't in the wrong since the law requires that you report to child services if you suspect abuse, problem is that she wasn't the attending physician and she wasn't in any place to be suspecting abuse. It was Houses call and he made the right one.
All of these types of shows revolve around a very smart character being told they are wrong, and then they prove themselves right. Remember Monk? He solved every murder, and even in the late seasons people doubted him. I agree though, it's stupid.
You do, in fact, call child services, as you're a mandatory reporter. If a kid comes in with signs of abuse there is literally no way for them to talk themselves out of being reported. This is because no one actually wants to report, it's awful, especially if the parents are nice; at the same time, some of those nice people are abusing their children. The sudden seizing of the child is pretty unlikely because judges really don't like doing it but you absolutely must call. House was in the wrong, because it wasn't his call to make; it was the lawmaker's, and they made it when they made the law.
@@liesmith Yeah you report signs of abuse not overwelmed first time parents who are clearly open to doing what needs doing. There was no abuse to report.
@@MissCaraMint No, you report the actual material situation the kid is in if it could be abuse, you don't make a judgment call at all. Then someone else says 'ah, they're just overwhelmed first time parents' and it's OK
@@liesmith Listen. The baby and parents interact well, there is no question of a rash or signs or other signs that the child’s hygiene has been neglected. The parents are not dismissive of the situation and have agreed to make whatever change House considdered best. There are no signs of shake baby syndome. No indication of muchousen by proxy. Or that the baby is overly anxious or annything appart from the nutritian issue that is easily fixed with a bit of guidance. In short, there is no suspicion of neglect to report. You set them up for follow up appointments to guide them make wiser decisions.
Absolutely fucking not. House's choice was correct. He fixed their mistake and educated them. If the problem had persisted after that, then it's neglect/ abuse.
As other people mentioned, the baby was later revealed to have a genetic disorder that causes malabsorption of nutrients. The vegan diet was a red herring. You still shouldn't put a baby on a vegan diet.
What negligence? As soon as they found out there was a problem, they sought help. That's not neglect. They didn't argue with the information. They weren't given a chance to neglect, because some Karen decided that one mistake warranted destroying their lives. By that logic, just because you gave your toddler oatmeal that burned their tongue, that was abuse. You don't get a chance to learn to cool it more, or teach them to blow on it, because that was abuse and you don't deserve your child. That's BS.
Tracey Ullman made a sketch about that. It's called Tracey Ullman - Female-Led Drama Television Review It's about 2:50 minutes long, but it's hilarious and also a bit sad.
Had a similar experience at a former place of work. Worked at a casino that doubled as a hotel and I worked the night shift hotel counter as an audit. Had the police show up because apparently this couple left about six or so minors ranging from 15 to 2 years old. The couple wasn’t even on the property, they had left the hotel and let it slip about the kids after being pulled over on the highway by law enforcement (something’ along the lines that needed to hurry because their kids were alone in the hotel room). Child services took in the kids and the couple was arrested, that’s as far as I know of what happened but this was a clear sign of either neglect, stupidity and/or an actual attempt at abandonment (and that last one has happened before, but with an elderly woman with sundown syndrome; she was stuck at the casino/hotel for a week).
leaving out the part where the vegan parents talk about how they consulted a nutritionist about their baby's diet, and that she actually had an underlying condition is certainly a choice!
I recently adopted a kitten from a shelter and they told me when we adopted him that he was being fed twice a day with morning dry food and night wet food. I followed their directions and called a vet a few days later because he was having digestive issues. The vet was extremely angry because apparently, the shelter didn't give me the right direction on how much to eat. Thankfully we caught it in time and he's thriving.
House said it best. They aren’t abusing that baby, they are just idiots. They don’t need their baby taken and arrested. They need taught how to be parents. They thought they were doing the right thing for their child. They didn’t know it was wrong.
Sadly things like this happen where babies don't latch on and first time parents don't know what to do, and they end up taking the baby to the hospital out of concern and to seek help and the staff end up calling cps on them. It's really sad 😔
There was an actual case in Sweden exactly like this one a couple of years ago. Parents were found guilty of child endagerment. One doctor who met their toddler, had earlier worked in starvation-struck parts of Africa and had never seen anything as bad as this child. :(
@@MsLovestory01 Yup, but I'm pretty sure a lot of them will say _"it's the exact same nutrients! And they're not made of murder!"_ or some outlandish BS.
This is one reason why I hated Cuddy. Jumping to conclusions about what went on with patients. Didn't even bother to supervise or interview them herself, just called the police.
People do it all the time. My child has a medical condition called microdeletion syndrome 15Q 13.3. Because of it he has no muscle tone. Hes 9 years old and weighs 48 pounds. I had a neighbor apparently take one look at him assumed I was starving him and reported me to CPS. I had to deal with them for weeks over something I literally have zero control over. People can be very quick to judge and in my experience never even tries to talk to you first. I've had a previous school system be pretty ignorant too because my child has autism and self harms and they wasted no time in reporting that without talking to me then also. I realize that maybe they think they are helping but I wish they have that same energy for kids who actually need CPS.
Tracey Ullman made a sketch about that. It's called Tracey Ullman - Female-Led Drama Television Review It's about 2:50 minutes long, but it's hilarious and also a bit sad.
If the baby was already at the 25th percentile for weight, why the hell were there no interventions put in place by the pediatrician? This baby should have been seen by the pediatrician once a week to ensure it was gaining weight. Why didn't the parents take the baby to the pediatrician? They had to know she was getting thinner.
I love the amount of people saying these parents were abusive and should have done research about the diet, and that they deserve to have their baby taken from them…Just watch the freaking show and find out how wrong you are before commenting lmao!
@Shawn Brink Where did I say I’m better than people? I just said people should watch the show before arguing with people using their opinion instead of facts.
The person to blame is whoever uploaded a misleading clip without context. People are allowed to comment on that clip without researching the whole show.
In asia, sometimes infants are abandoned in front of buddhism temples, and the monks raised them up with what they have - vegan foods. The childs grown up just fine, this baby has a genetic disorder that was triggered by the vegan diet, without that genetic disorder, they would have no problem
I took my son to a check up at his 1 year appointment and they give you a paper to fill out, I answered all the questions. Including that I was nursing my son. I guess the doctor was in a hurry and didn't read the paper or something. She asked if he takes a sippy cup. I said yes and that he gets water in it and the occasional juice. She said he should be given cows milk too(they can quit nursing and formula at 1yo). To which I replied he doesn't need cows milk. She looked at me all upset and said yes he does need it... Confused I said he's already getting water and juice, in his cup there's no need for the extra calcium when he's already getting so much nutrients. She started to explain that isn't nutrients... Even more confused I said well breast bill is extremely nutrient and since he eats 3 meals a day with snacks too I don't think he needs the additional whole fat milk. You can imagine the awkwardness as she explained she skipped over the paperwork, and apologized for the mistake.
Well they obviously don't need cows milk, as dairy milk was only a recent development, it's completely optional. But they certainly need meat and animal fat to function and develop properly. The requirements for certain nutrients in a developing brain is higher than one that is developed, etc. Also the number of meals a day means absolutely nothing. A human can do just fine with one meal a day provided they are getting everything they need within that meal, and it was more natural for us to do so.
Love that house is like "let's see if these are the kinds of idiots that learn from mistakes" rather than just. Shoving a kid that is loved, even if they're making horrific dietary mistakes, into a system that seldom works as intended
cant you just turn this around and say: "To be a meat eater should be a personal choice. Children should not be forced to do it, as its very easily damaging." ?
@@bewaterdmt Not really, as veganism is the restrictive diet, the other way around is not. However, if you mean the other extreme of a "only meat" diet, like a carnivore diet, then yes, that would indeed be the same problem. Religious things like not eating specific meat is somewhat in that too, but its quite specific and not as broad.
@@bewaterdmt There is no healthy "PLANTS ONLY" diet for us. Show us the study that says otherwise...oh right there isn't one. Why do you use animal products needlessly (that means possible and practicable to avoid) while only pretending to be against it?
@@ThisNameIsBanned So, by your logic it seems like eating meat and drinking milk is absolutely "not damaging", but beeing vegan is, even for children? Do you have a source for this claim? Greetings!
@@bewaterdmt "Both vegetarian and vegan children exhibit signs of vitamin B12 deficiency without supplementation, with approximately 30% not receiving supplementation. Additionally, they show lower iron stores, increased risk of vitamin D deficiency, and potentially inadequate iodine intake." Women usually get not enough iron, so for teenage girls it can be really bad as well. To stay healthy as a vegan you usually need supplements that give you what you deny your body with your diet. "Children can be safely raised as vegans, as long as the parents are very well informed on meeting nutritional requirements with a vegan diet, which is trickier than meeting requirements for adults following a vegan diet." You can do it, but the usual parents are not diet experts, a lot of vegan women do not get enough iron and have problems with their period, which can be especially bad for teenage girls with a vegan diet. They wont fall over dead because of it, but they have deficiencies that has health consequences that go away if they stop being vegan and eat more meat. That said, you can of course be unhealthy with a meat diet as well, like eating way too much, a regular diet with meat however is the basic healthy diet, as you get all you need (say meat, fish, greens, a balanced diet is not complicated).
This reminds me of a episode of Unsolved Mysteries. A baby is suspected of dying by antifreeze poisoning. The parents were arrested and charged. The mother was pregnant and had supervised visits after the birth. But the 2nd baby started showing signs of antifreeze poisoning. After a full examination and a certain test, did they find out both babies had a disorder. (Can't remember what it's called).
Patricia Stallings. Her babies had Methylmalonic Acidemia. When prosecutors learned of the diagnosis they insisted that it was coincidence that the younger baby happened to have a disease that could present so similarly to antifreeze poisoning. Her own lawyer only halfheartedly pursued the possibility that the first baby had the disease, and did not press very hard when told he couldn't present that possibility. She was failed on so many levels. She wasn't freed until a scientist saw an episode of Unsolved Mysteries on the case and offered to thoroughly test the dead baby's blood samples, and later he and a colleague proved how easily the chemical products of the disease could be confused with antifreeze poisoning by labs using the most common testing methods.
Funny how people in the comments are bashing vegan parents, but I guess you haven't watched the whole episode, bcs it turns out, they were actually doing this according to a licensed nutritionist and it turns out the baby had some kind of medical problem digesting correctly, which lead to this.... but it wasn't the diets fault.... Yes, the problem is mostly vegans don't actually stick with the diet correctly and get lazy after time, which might be ok with them but not with babies and children, but still, if you do it right, if you get help from nutritionists and are able to make compromises then it will be fine....
Its still wrong to feed a baby a vegan diet. You want to experiment on yourself when you are old enough to decide that great. But not a kid. Babys need fat and protein to build. Not tomatoes and hemp seeds
Eating a whole foods, plant based (wfpb) diet is one of the healthiest ways to eat. Most people can get everything they need from plants, since all vitamins, all minerals, first come from plants. Most starving kids eat animals. It is not a wfpb diet that starves someone. It is usually a psychological concern (of the kids or parents) or a physical condition.
@@HUCERBH3947 they unintentionally starved their child, they didn’t know the diet was bad for it and it’s why they said they were gonna change it right before the cops came in. Parents make mistakes, that was one of them
Since it's possible, and now very easy, to give a child a full vegan (or vegetarian) diet with no drawbacks, maybe it should be the childs option to have an animal killed in it's sake or not, not the way you claim it should be.
@@npc1238 Yea, when hes a bit older you ask if he wants to start eating meat. And yes, i'm salty they didn't put the end clip in there where it's explained the parents did nothing wrong.
I'm not usually on House's side because I don't like bullies, but I come over to his side because he's usually right, but in this case I'm 100% on his s ide, I said it in my head before he even delivered it, just in different words "they aren't abusive they're stupid."
As a vegan parent with a vegan 3 YO, just thought you'd like to know she is 95th percentile for height and 85th for weight 😉. The important thing is eating a balanced diet, whether vegan or not. As a side note, it turns out in this episode the weight loss is caused by another underlying problem, not her diet.
@@r0bw00d Nutritionists aren’t certified and yes the uncle was a self proclaimed nutritionist but he was not a dietician which is the regulated certified term. The veganism did lead to the severe pneumonia because the lack of vitamin D compromised her immunity as well as caused anemia. This is common for vegan infants which is why public nutrition organizations highly discourages the diet from pregnant and lactating women and infants and children unless prescribed by a doctor.
@@kimmiewise1044 The uncle wasn't a 'self proclaimed' nutritionist. He was a college graduate with a degree in diet and nutrition. And the diet quite explicitly did NOT cause the child's medical issues. The child had a preexisting medical condition that surprise, surprise: can cause the child to be unable to gain weight. Even if they had fed her a regular diet, she would STILL not be gaining weight. Because her diet wasn't the reason. Just an idea but maybe before you go spouting off about a show, you should try actually watching the show.
Tracey Ullman made a sketch about that. It's called Tracey Ullman - Female-Led Drama Television Review It's about 2:50 minutes long, but it's hilarious and also a bit sad.
I have 3 kids that are now adults, they grew up in a vegan and organic household, it's not abuse if you want your kids to have a healthy diet and lifestyle.. I rather have my children be healthy than eating candies, chocolate, sugar, *meat* , and fats, and get diabetes or other health problems.. I'm expecting baby #4 and a grandchild this year and we are going to raise our kids the same way I raised my eldest children
I had a classmate who was vegan all throughout his life and turned out fine. He was able to eat everything vegan and not as strict besides not consistently eating candy and junk food. I have non-vegan friends and family who were lactose intolerant at birth so only drank alternative which was fine before gerber came in.
I remember this has happened for real in one in Florida and the other in Canada..but sadly in these cases the child did not survive and the parents were arrested..
So i understand where House is coming from and I completely agree. However anyone who works in healthcare knows as mandated reporters, by law when something like this happens, you have to report and let social services investigate. Its unfortunate at times and sometimes you don't want to call, but you have to. Fortunately in this case it was not abuse, but you would be surprised how often it is.
No you call if you suspect child abuse, and House did not suspect child abuse. It’s just a couple with their first baby who clearly are open to doing everything the doctor is going to tell them about how to best take care of their baby.
My sister's first baby was a failure to thrive and they took him to the hospital. The hospital immediately notified CPS. It turns out that the only reason he wasn't eating properly is because he didn't like the way the bottle nipple was sitting on his tongue. Unlike the way it was supposed to sit, he liked it with the flat side of the nipple upside down and he would drink it just fine. Even then CPS workers still came around for a couple months after.
"I'm not a baby expert, but I'm pretty sure they are not supposed to shrink" savage 🤣😂
Sez the fellas with a black cat 🐈.
Does he gets catnip
@@soyymaafia6004 sadly she is no longer with us, but yes she did, there is a video on my channel where she is playing with her catnip mouse.
Tell about your house-panter,
@@jettec9411 I had black cat then I adopted his brother from the same parents, but different litter a year later. Shadow unfortunately died when he was two but his brother is still with me and will be 5 in July. He's the one in my avatar.
@@Ashtarot77 I am sorry for your loss 🌹, black cats are the best ❤️ so pretty and cute, thank you for sharing yours 😊
@@jettec9411 Thank you. And yes agree, they are 😊
"Those parents werent abusive, they're idiots!"
Pretty much sums it all up.
It's still abuse and house did make the wrong call here.
@@thegatorhator6822 so abusive they took their child to a hospital, presumably to further potential lifespan and thus inflict more abuse
@@thegatorhator6822 is it abuse when you just weren’t probably informed. The parents were doing what they thought was the best health choice for their child not someone else’s. They didn’t make those decisions with the intention to cause harm to their child. If they were trying to hurt the baby, the last place you take them is to a hospital where someone would call child protective services.
@@bhawk12h it's their job to be properly informed. Manslaughter still gets you prison time and 'accidentally' abusing your children is still abusing them.
@@thegatorhator6822 but that's not abuse there is no way that holds up in a court of law espically if house is there to testify. Manslaughter exsit cause is accidental. Abuse criteria must have intent or negelect and what they have displayed here is not negligence, at least not by legal definition. So yah no house made the right call.
Honestly really love how House cares so much for kids, like the kid on the spectrum or when he threw away his cane to run to save a child when usually he will just call someone else to do it even if he is in the room (adults lie and are evil so according to his misanthropy but kids are of the utmost importance and still protects the innocent and shows that he cares way more that he’ll ever admit)
Kids are his weak spot
@@suzannekilgannon1242 agreed. I think he was even soft on the parents for how young they were.
I wonder at what age he believes children switch from innocent to “evil adults”?
Could someone tell me in which episode did he throw his cane and run to save a child? Can't remember this moment.
Upd. Found it. Season 2, episode 22 "Forever"
That is something to really respect
One thing I want to point out that is *objective* and shown in this clip: when a doctor told them the diet was the problem, they didn’t argue and promised to change it.
Regardless of their previous choices and what was ultimately right or wrong, they proved they are caring parents with that response.
They also gave all the info they could to the doctor up front telling him about the dieet change instead of dnying that it could possibly be something they did.
True. But now they have to prove it to child services.
there are vegan parents out there starving their kds. alot of them are still around, never arrested and continuing the chiId abuse. they are slowly kiIIng their chiIdren with a vegan diet.
humans arent herbivores!
And it wasn't the diet that was the problem. Turned out the baby had a condition that caused malabsorption.
Yeah, I expected them to be insufferable and hateable but I actually really liked them. They seem like good parents. Sure they made the mistake of accidentally starving the baby but they fixed it immediately and it wasn’t out of hate.
Despite his cynicism towards every patient he has, Dr. House has a soft spot for babies.
Babies don't/can't lie to him. Why would he think bad about them?
Babies are innocent even house knows that...
@@janderson947 I think it’s more that they are honest, they don’t know how to lie.
Unless they are toddlers majority of them can't exactly talk..
@@janderson947 many toddlers will still communicate that something is wrong. Their ability to communicate is limited by their world knowledge and experience rather than a desire to conceal the truth.
Something important this clip left out was that the parents made bail and came back to talk to House. They told him they consulted with a nutritionist about the diet she was on, who turned out to be the mothers uncle. This was enough to have House order more tests. Turned out the baby had a genetic disorder which caused her thymus gland to wither away, which was the real reason she couldn't gain weight. He brought this information to Cuddy and she called the police and social services and had all the charges withdrawn.
Thank You!
Something similar happened in real life. The baby was taken away from the Mom. She wasn't vegan but they accused her of starving the baby.
Was it Cystic fibrosis by any chance ?
@@cnote2458 DiGeorge syndrome.
This was based on a real case. And allopaths are the last people you should take dietary advice from.
"Those parents aren't abusive, they're idiots!"
Vogler: "Are they gonna make me money? Then I don't care."
God I can’t wait for vogler to leave
I legit read that in his voice.
Volger was about as lovable as Lex Luthor.
@@alexisgrunden1556 he wasn't meant to be lovable.
@@hardcase722 if it was a show about volger you’d like him.
Sure... Social services will come and do this, but when a child is ACTUALLY being abused they are seldom intervening and don't care.
Yeah as someone who grew up in a home with a child molester this is absolutely true. It doesn't matter if the kid is unhappy. Kid has to stay until they're 12 and can tell the judge who they want to live with. Went to the authorities multiple times but there wasn't enough evidence to convict my step dad of molesting me and my sister. My sister eventually ran away and I ended up moving out. I still have two younger siblings living with them. It sucks because CPS didn't even REMOVE me or my siblings from their care while he was being investigated. Sooo yeah CPS will only get involved with cases that have concrete proof. Its bullshit.
Pretty sure starving your child of vital nutrients and proteins is ACTUAL ABUSE
@@mattyryon if you had seen the episode, you'd know they weren't actually doing that
@@carb_8781 Regardless of the fantasy in the show, it is a reality that feeding a child a vegan diet is abuse, and living on a diet consisting mostly of carbohydrates is also incredibly damaging to your metabolic system
I mean... humans didn't evolve to be herbivores... To give a baby this kind of food instead of maternal milk and actual baby food IS actual abuse. I would even say that it should be illegal for people to feed their children under 18 exclusively vegan food. After 18, they can do whatever they want.
Parents: *feeds their kid*
Parents: *notice things are wrong and brings kid to the hospital*
Dr: Change your feeding habits.
Parents: absolutely!
Kid: *gets better*
Hospital: *has parents arrested for neglect and abuse*
Meanwhile, a child two blocks away is beaten and starved for attention and CPS refuses to remove them from their home.
cuddy did the right thing.
Vegans needs to be taught a lesson.
@@TentaclePentacle No, they didn't do the right thing, you just hate vegans. 🙄 The fact they changed the baby's diet and the baby was doing better is proof they already learned the lesson.
@@YuugiArry abuse still needs to be punished.
@@TentaclePentacle There wasn't any abuse. They didn't try to hurt the kid and actively worked on finding and fixing the problem so it wouldn't happen again. That's the opposite of abuse.
@@YuugiArry starving the kid is abuse, doesn't matter if they mean to do it or not.
In the end it wasn't even the parent's fault. They genuinely cared about the health of their baby, spoke with a nutritionist to ensure what they were feeding the baby was okay and then took her to the Doctor when they saw something was wrong. The baby had a genetic disorder.
My neighbour is a personal trainer and nutritionist. When they consult parents about their children, they always check for genetic disorders with the hospital first. They wouldn't have seen a nutritionist, because if they did, they would have known about the disorder.
@@faisalmehmood5375 Or..maybe the writers failed on that detail?
I didn't like the Anti-Vegetarian Tone of The Clip. My Mother died of Cancer of the Colon in late 1984. She suffered for many years with it about 5 years before she finally died from it. I was told that Colon Cancer is correlated with Eating Red Med. I cut back on Red Meat and I eventually became a Vegetarian. I think the VAst Majority of Eviddence shows that being a VEgetarian is Healthy.
@@HoldenNY22 correlation does not equal causation....
@@HoldenNY22 red meat is fine as long as its part of a balanced diet. Eating too much carbs - which can also be found in fruits and vegetables - is also related to increased risk of cancer. Eating a balanced diet without overdoing it with one food group is the best way to "minimize" your risk of cancer but always keep in mind that there are other causes for cancer such as genes/family history, exposure to radiations in the environment, certain medical conditions, certain lifestyle choices such as smoking, etc. And sometimes it just happens without an obvious cause!
When it comes to cuddy and babies it's like she forgets about everything else and losses sight of everything
In a way, it's great that she has so much compassion for children patients, but to be this emotionally-driven as a doctor is a disaster waiting to happen. She might be good at administration and such, but she should not go anywhere near a patient if her judgement can be so easily clouded
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@@moneer7139 get over it
@Friendly Bane Don't feed this troll.
@Friendly Bane listen I understand if it was really sure, but she didn't even talk to the parents and ask them anything. House said don't be morons they said we understand and cuddy just went straight for the throat. I mean they where dumb but not not really as the babies real issue was not being able to process fats or something like that so they were technically giving the kid what they needed just not the usual way. It's not like they were intentionally starving the kind it just looked like it cause of the vegan thing which people sometimes do wrong with babies, and no one realized it's actually something wrong with the kid.
What's funny about this scene is that it is later revealed that the Baby's starvation was due to a rare medical condition(digeorge syndrome), and had nothing to do with their diet.
@Lu Cheng your dumb stop talking, the mothers father was a certified nutritionist. The baby was probably getting those requirements from nuts and seeds, for fats, proteins, etc. Since ya know peanut oil, almond oil, cashew oil, etc etc.
Oil is usually pretty fatty, and nuts contain more protein per lb then a nice juicy steak.
People eat meat cause it tastes good, not because their aren't equavilants growing from plants.
@Lu Cheng except it was established that the Parents were feeding their Baby a balanced diet, as the mother's uncle was a nutritionist. That's what made House take a second look.
Yeah, you shouldn't feed a baby nothing but sprouts and Tofu, but that wasn't the issue in this case
@Абдульзефир Humans are omnivores, but sure.
@Абдульзефир not really, humans are omnivores. It's why all our teeth aren't sharp like say, all carnivores on earth... Sorry to disrupt your delusion. Maybe you could spend your lifetime filing all your teeth, including those back molars designed for grinding plant matter.
@Абдульзефир then again you don't strike me as the kinda person smart enough to know the difference between a cat's teeth, and a cows teeth. Since you know dumb things come outta your mouth lol
In the end it wasn't the diet the baby had a genetic disorder. The baby was getting lots of fats, proteins and calories, just not absorbing them.
Ah yes, those sweet, sweet prolines.
@@P.Griffin switch one more letter and you get pralines, I much prefer those! 😆
@@jarik9 Didn't do it. Spellcheck fucked me.
Yeah, but still changing their diet from normal diet to vegan diet kinda what cause house to misinterpret the baby growth charts, if only they keep the baby on normal diet for crucial time frame and then it starts showing the symptoms, then pediatrician doesn't have to guessing whether the baby sick from the diet or it was other sickness or disease.
@@rahmadrenaldi2624 That was the doctors preconception of what they were feeding the baby. When he found out that the diet the baby was on was made by a nutritionist not some casher at whole foods he ordered the tests that discovered the problem I can't remember the disease that was causing it. It wasn't the fault of the diet it was Houses fault for thinking that all people are stupid and all patients lie. It is one of major fault in his character: Hubertus.
Is it just me or is House in season 1 more caring about his patients? He lied to give a transplant to one patient and now he is concerned about the vegan parents.
House is actually more caring than he lets on
He’s definitely caring, but I feel like it fits the narrative of season 1 where he’s an edgy doctor that plays outside the box, but is a caring doctor at the end of the day, which is why Cuddy ultimately ditches Vogler instead of House. The “He did his job” scene from the board meeting, where Cuddy stands up for him, comes to mind.
I feel like there are other instances of him caring later on but maybe less apparent. Like with the guy who travelled across the ocean with his wife to see House in the season 3 finale. House doesn’t take her off bypass cause he truly thinks he can cure her if he just finds the next right diagnosis. They always play his caring off as curiosity later on, even with the super brave young girl who has cancer, but sometimes you can tell he really cares.
@@rahulparhar1003 honestly people like fogler and the white FBI guy pissed me off so much
While he more caring than he lets on, no way does he respect those parents. Think he's more concerned about Vogler (or Cuddy) stepping on his toes.
House cares a ton secretly but he is way more obvious when it comes to babies and kids, like the kid on the spectrum with worms or him throwing away his cane and running across the floor to save a kid when with adults he might just call a nurse to do it so he doesn’t have to (he’s a misanthrope but mainly with adults who lie and cheat, kids are way more important and valuable)
I love how blunt he was being in explaining that they were inadvertently starving their baby. They looked so deflated when they realized that the diet was harmful to her. At least they were smart enough to listen
"explaining that they were inadvertently starving their baby."
They weren't.
"They looked so deflated when they realized that the diet was harmful to her. "
The director told them to look that way. Humans are raw-vegans by nature, just like every primate.
In real life the baby had a genetic condition
I honestly think being able to admit you've made mistakes and then being able to learn from them is a sign of very high intelligence.
And they weren’t doing anything wrong. The baby’s diet was carefully developed by a nutritionist, she just wasn’t absorbing the nutrients because of a genetic disease. The parents were very responsible about their baby’s health, but apparently the people in charge of this channel thought vegans getting dunked on would sell better.
@@felipevasconcelos6736 No, it wasn't 'carefully developed by a nutritionist'. They asked him if it was alright. Besides, a vegan diet for a young child is not recommended. Then again, it depends on the type of veganism. Some vegan diets are just absurdly strict.
No it is not, its bare mimimum common sense @eldritchbeauty
the funny thing about this episode is that it turns out it wasn't the parents' fault - the diet was fine and the baby had an unrelated illness
A vegan diet for a baby is NEVER fine.
@@DmonHiro Why are you lying? This is not what health experts say.
@Marcus North this is incorrect, you shouldn't be spreading misinformation like this.
@@nullethosechoes vegetarian diet maybe good but not vegan.
@@porronesianparrapio9122 look up Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics and their statement on vegan diet.
I’m seeing a lot of comments about how House has a soft spot for babies and children, and given his backstory I think that was a good call on the writers’ part. In “Three Stories” we find out about how he got his limp, and that 1) he didn’t listen to the doctor’s advice and wanted a very risky surgery, which he seems to show regret for (hence why he says all patients are idiots because he’s including himself),
and 2) the decision was ultimately made by someone else. His right to refuse certain treatments was taken from him. Children are in a similar position where they can’t make their own medical decisions (which they shouldn’t. They’re children. They don’t know what’s best for them yet.) but the one who is making the decisions can sometimes be an idiot. House may not be able to give all children a choice, but he knows what it’s like to have your fate in the hands of another person, so he does the best he can: educate the caretakers, and keep the child alive until they can make a decision for themself.
Docs are insanely fucking cynical. But we do have a soft spot for kids.
Well said Brother, the "He gives Children chances, until they are capable of Their own medical choices" which is evident with the episode of the Cancer Girl, where he did gave her choice to take Life in her own hand...... that was Beautiful
If he didn't think they would change, I think he would report them. He doesn't actually want the tiny human to die
They also weren't doing anything wrong. House finds out later that the diet they had the baby on was prepared and recommended by an actual certified dietitian and something else was causing the weight loss.
@@luxintenebris1776 giving a baby only vegan food is still a stupid descision lol
Baby
@@digitallocations1423 tiny human. same thing
Tiny human that does sound like something house would say 😂
Someone is still uploading House clips in 2021 and this person needs to come out so we can give them the love and respect that they need
@Jennifer Taylor Unfortunately the only place I'm going to watch the series is pirate bay, idiotic big media and their region locking...
@@marshallb5210 cant you use a vpn
Probably afraid they would get charged for copyright infringement.
What I find funny is that in this episode Cuddy calls CPS immediately without all the facts but in the episode where the dad’s body wash was putting his young children through very early puberty, and they discovered the girl’s menstrual blood covered shirt in the vent, Cuddy ordered Cameron to do a full body examination of the girl to look for signs of potential abuse. She did her due diligence with that one but acted very swiftly based off concerned nurses in this one.
Because she's a terrible "doctor" and completely biassed when there's a baby involved. Cuddy I don't think was right about anything, ever.
Tracey Ullman made a sketch about that.
It's called Tracey Ullman - Female-Led Drama Television Review
It's about 2:50 minutes long, but it's hilarious and also a bit sad.
@@DmonHiro good you added 'I don't think' because you're wrong.
@@musical_lolu4811
Name a time where she was right (other than telling House that his treatment idea worked, which Wilson talked her out of).
House himself said what they were doing was illegal. Assuming she had access to patient records she could have easily seen that the baby shrunk
This is why i love House. He realised that the parents at worse have misplaced concerns. They were not malicious or neglectful.
I have to give a lot of credit to the actors who played the parents. They did a fantastic job of portraying people who didn’t know they were harming their child. They did a fantastic job of showing people who now understand and will change their behavior… until they were arrested. Serious props to those actors!
As a former foster parent, the whole scene where the police come in, arrest the parents and the social worker takes the baby is Hollywood drama. That isn't how it happens. In the 16 years I was a foster parent, only once did I ever hear of a situation where the police actually broke down the house doors and took the children in custody. (Trust me, it was definitely needed). More likely than not, the parents would have been interviewed by a social worker and then offered family preservation services. Rarely is taking a child into custody the first step and the child has to be in "immediate" danger. Lastly and I know this is nit picky but if they are trying to say that child is starving, they should actually have a child that looks like she is starving. This is clearly a healthy baby within a healthy weight range. I have seen children who are way under weight and this child is no where near what that looks like.
sunshine merlot....hollywood parents would deliberately starve a child for the role if they went too realistic. House is absurdly unreal.
Thank you for mentioning the nitpicky thing about the child not looking like she's starving. I work with kids and know ones that are technically in the healthy range BUT could fit the bill for something like this (especially as the age of the baby is ambiguous). They could've/should've picked a diff baby (or used a prop)
That's not true. In Florida a baby can be taken from disabled parents right after birth because of the "possibility" of neglect. True they won't be arrested. Also once a baby is taken if usually takes a year minimum to get back your child.
@@sarahcroud9137 that's insane prejudice. Talk about no civil rights!
social workers are power tripping half wits a lot of the time. I know a few and wouldn't leave my cat in their care
"Those parents weren't abusive, they're idiots!" Which explains so many cases of endangerment, or neglect and why I truly believe it should be a mandatory requirement that all potential or new parents take courses on caring for a baby. Too many idiots having babies that have no idea how to take care of them, or go to unreliable sources and end up harming or even killing their children.
While you’re generally true, you’re false in hype context of this video.
The parents didn’t just shove the baby on a diet of potatoes. They consulted a nutritionist at every single step.
The reason the child lost so much weight was because she had a genetic condition, not the diet.
Believe me. I would have lost it at this video if they didn’t.
Think about it. They didn’t reject or question any of Dr.House’s medical treatments or advice. They took every measure suggested to save their daughter.
So, in the case of this video, you’re wrong. The parents did consult with medical professionals, they didn’t just toss their child onto their hopes and dreams for the future of world sustainability.
Yes, and parents further harm their children by feeding them parts of animal corpses as they grow up, and the really sad part is when someone is old with heart disease or diabetes or all the typical diseases from eating corpses as a part of the standard American diet. People think they're taking care of them by still feeding them corpses.
@@Swan-rb4yg You are a shining example of what I'm talking about. You should never have children.
Our hospital offered them and I took them all while.pregnant, but a year later they cut them. Weirdly the prices for maternity care still went up so who knows which administrator gave themselves a raise after axing that free life saving service that was fully enrolled every season. Hope the crewp sleeps well at night in their yacht while some infant chokes to death because that administrator cut the cpr lessons for expecting parents from the hospitals budget.
The world would be so much better if in order to have a child, you had to go through the same hoops you would to adopt a child. Classes, drug tests, financial responsibility assessments, criminal background checks....
I'm sorry that's not abuse or neglect that's a first time parent mistake. You know how to tell that THEY STOPPED WHEN TOLD.
they didnt even do anything wrong because in the full episode it shows that they where guiving the baby a full vegan diet correctly and that the baby was sick because it had some type of tumore that stoped it from growing
@@seungcheolswife Yeah, but a full vegan diet that young would still be harmful. So they did something wrong, but I wouldn't call it abuse as it was a mistake.
@@skotnica93 Its like House said, "they're not abusive, they're idiots." At least parents seem to want to learn from their idiocy. I actually respect that. Accepting that you were wrong and growing from it is going to make them great parents in the future.
@@seungcheolswife You are not meant to feed children under the age of 6 months with solid food
@@pxrxy we're told we can start trying solids slowly in addition to breastfeeding/formula between 4-6mths. But anyway I was wondering watching the clip how old exactly is the baby? It wasn't said. Seemed pretty big though. Vegan can be fine but raw vegan sounds like it wouldn't work for an infant or child no matter how much nutritionist advice you're getting.
i'm gonna enjoy the future "vegan comments" xD "grabs popcorn" edit: wow 4k likes!!?? This was meant to be a joke. 😂😂😂
That popcorn better be vegan!
@@simon2776 it's corn so I guess it counts
@@simon2776 yeah no butter, because butter bad😂
What vegan comments are you expecting on a house md video?
Since I've recently been on a House binge and saw the episode, let me chime in:
The baby is not starving because it's on a vegan diet, it has an underlying condition.
They skip the ending! The parents had consulted a licenced dietitian about what they were feeding the baby. There was a different reason why the baby was sick and losing weight.
A raw herbivore diet was helping? Yes the baby had a genetic disorder (maybe caused by the herbivore diet the parents were on when they conceived) but feed a baby a herbivore diet is still not species appropriate.
There is no raw vegan diet that exists that is remotely appropriate for a baby. They would get a full stomach (and digestive issues) by the time they met about a tenth of their daily caloric requirements.
@@steakovercake3986 Really?? Do our stomachs match carnivore animals (our stomachs match much more to herbivores)? or any other known omnivore? what about our teeth, made to chew raw animal flesh? Or how other animals break down animal protein.. ? Do you know how well our bodies process animal protein? It literally takes calcium from your bones to break it down.. thus your need for dairy milk. Perfect combo for the meat and dairy industry huh
If you were made to eat meat, go and hunt a deer.. don't cook it.. and eat the deer, see how it goes
Or better yet... when a baby is born... see if he chooses to eat the apple or the bunny...
@@derron4764 were omnivores. Humans need B-12, which is found only in animal products.
When my son was considered failure to thrive twice (2½ and 7 months) I honestly was terrified of this happening. I was doing everything I possibly could. He had such severe reflux he just couldn't keep anything down. He was seeing a specialist 2-3 times a month 2½ hours away though to get all the care he needed. He's now 3 and healthy weight. No longer needing medicine.
FTT is really fucking scary to witness.
Reflux babies can be sooooo stressful and scary. I'm glad your baby is okay
"Those parents aren't abusive their idiots" Welcome to 2021.
They are *
@@gabrielaegas5005 My bad.
@@gabrielaegas5005 lol the irony of them calling 2021 parents idiots when they don’t know basic grammar 😆😆😆
@@TheLovesnowangel hahahahah exactly
@@TheLovesnowangel ikr 💀
That is not abuse, it's ignorance and stupidity that they have clearly learned from. Those parents clearly loved and cared about their child and its welfare. Taking it away was the wrong call.
it was not stupidity though, they got professional help with the diet, and it turned out that the diet wasn't the problem. The child would have wasted away on a non-vegan diet too.
It isn't ignorance, lol. The baby had a medical issue. Her diet wasn't the issue.
Ignorance is abuse.
Ignorance is not an excuse in the eyes of the law
@Gem Boyie M8 why do you post this when google could give you a quick answer?
I'll keep it short: Where tf do you think the animals you eat got their protein from?
The funny thing is you find out later in the episode the child has a condition that house diagnosis (can't recall it) The parents were working with a nutritionist from the beginning to make sure their daughter was getting the nutrition she needed
And they changed the baby's diet when there were signs that something was wrong (hence, the baby improved under the new diet)
Considering its somehow legal to intentionally not give your kids potentially life-saving vaccines, it seems insane that you could be arrested for accidentally screwing up their diet...
don't worry, if you read on the episodes and these comments, you know it was a genetic disorder (A user called Just some Guy said it was digeorge syndrome), which means the baby was not even absorbing fat. House is right that was his call, he was there to actual check it, Cuddy was not. I'm not doctor, but you think the doctor who was actually present and doing the examination would know more, then someone who wasn't right?
@@captainflowers748 But they didn't know that at the time. So as far as they knew, the parents were - as a result of their ignorance - starving the baby.
Btw, that's neglect, not abuse.
@@RedT...TheOriginal.NotANumber Neglect is abuse.
@@zakle3805 Not always true. I grew up with extremely high functioning Autism, but I didn't have a proper diagnosis until I was 21. High school was absolute hell, I didn't get any of the help I needed. I couldn't connect with my peers because they were busy drawing penises on bathroom stalls while I was figuring out how to solder a modded chipset onto a ps2 so I could play the PAL version of GGX Isuka back in the early 2000s.
I knew I was different but didn't know why. And as a result of the ADHD/ADD diagnosis popularity among doctors in the early 2000s, I was misdiagnosed and therefore didn't receive the treatment and help I needed. You can call that neglect, but it doesn't count as abuse because none of us knew any different. Neglect isn't always malevolent, and it's not necessarily premeditated.
Of course, abuse isn't always malevolent or premeditated either, but that's a different discussion altogether.
Actually, this is a real threat. If a baby isn't within a certain weight range for it's age, and there's no sign of disease, they check a few things and if it appears the baby isn't being fed the right way, child protective services will get involved.
“Don’t worry it’s a vegan IV” I love Dr. House 😂
Me too lol
I am vegan and I agree with House. He never said the baby needed meat or dairy. He used the right words: fat, protein. I know that later we see the diet was not the problem but the doctor is actually being great here by saying that we need nutrients not products. Each individual has particular needs so we also need diet that take that into consideration. You may be vegan and not eating everything you need and eating things that don't agree with your body and the same with non vegans
Also they are not just vegans, they are Raw.
Vegetarian, Vegan and Raw. Similar but not quite the same.
You can't be more WRONG.
@@noninoni9962 In my experience the people who invalidate others are the ones in the wrong
Everything I said it's pretty self evident.
If you have a different opinion, you can just say you disagree. Your opinion is not facts no matter how much you want to believe it is
Please do not write to me again, I don't tolerate disrespect
Goodbye
@@thebighurt2495vegetarian is better . You can drink milk and consume eggs
@@niaselah3348 Would you make the decision to raise your child as a vegan or wait until they make that decision themselves? One is wrong morally, the other good parenting. If you are in the latter, you are a good parent. You raise your child within their restrictions if they have any. Otherwise you should raise them with all the food groups, including meat.
I really like that they didn’t cut the first scene to calm the baby, they all kept going, very professional and it adds realism to the scene.
I heard a story about parents from Georgia whose baby died from malnutrition because they were feeding it a strictly vegan diet. They eventually faced legal action because they were warned by doctors and family members and refused to change the kid's diet
Vegan here. Don't put your baby on a vegan diet. Their underdeveloped digestive system can't handle it.
Breastfeeding your child is best. When they transition to solid foods you should speak with your pediatrician about proper diet.
Also, don't force veganism on your child. Educate them on the advantages and the reasons for a plant based diet, expose them to plant based or plant rich meals at home, but don't chastise them if they make different lifestyle decisions from what you would prefer.
I grew up in a vegetarian household (didn't eat eggs, but milk was a strong part of my diet). I come from a long lineage of vegetarians. Both me and my sister were born premature, but grew up to be pretty fat toddlers. Our diet plan came from grandmother tricks, and mom's know-how. Vegans and Vegetarians get bad rep because of people who think eating salads and drinking almond milk is healthy. They don't know about lentils, seeds, rice, vegetables (cooked and many other versions) and most importantly spices.
My parents said that as long as I'm in their house, I'm vegetarian. Yep, it was "forced" on me. But honestly, after I left their house (perfectly healthy by the way), I didn't change it.
@@monihasnone6137 Old habits die hard.
@@orppranator5230 Sometimes, discipline doesn't need to change and certain "habits" can be maintained. Besides it's just a life choice. My opinion is a vegetarian with a balanced meal is no different than a meat-eater with a balanced meal. An unbalanced meal in any diet hurts anyone.
@@monihasnone6137 That is true.
Breastfeeding is vegan. I wouldn’t “force” my child to be vegan but I’d let them purchase animal products with their own money once they get older.
I love how everyone watches these videos years after they’ve aired. I love House
When I saw this episode when it first came out, I didn’t have the social services experience I do now. Seeing it now makes me realize how outlandish it was that they arrested them to begin with lol. I consulted on a case recently where the baby fell into a coma and CPS made assumptions pretty rapidly before it turned out to be a case of diabetes they hadn’t known about, and I considered THAT an overreaction by CPS (the parents weren’t arrested or charged but the investigator was kind of already verbalizing assumptions of abuse in the first day or two after the coma before all test results were back).
Ah yes but when I reached out to my school guidance counselors about being abused it just came down to “my moms a single mom doing her best” 🙄 not to mention she beat me after she talked to them lmao they really don’t give af for the kids who need it
While House was probably annoyed at the vegan diet from a medical standpoint I don't think it truly mattered. He mentioned the meat thing because:
1) it's House
2) the baby lost a considerable amount of weight in a month.
The weight loss is nothing to overlook as she has a compromised immune system from the pneumonia so the weight loss would be an added blow that would cause severe damage if it wasn't addressed.
House suggested the meat thing because it would be something that would quickly get her weight back up. I haven't seen this episode for a while, but the parents werent overly "preachy" like other couples House has encountered.
They explained their diet, House suggested the meat thing, and they didn't argue with him. They agreed. While it can be argued that she would've gotten the right nutrients on the current diet, one of the issues was that she wasn't getting it that's why she got sick and had the weight loss. It wasn't because of a starvation diet it was due to an underlying illness.
The reason why CPS got involved was bc the weight loss was dramatic. Again, I forgot most of the episode but the point was that medical staff are mandatory reporters. House didn't do anything because he examined the baby and saw no abuse.
But the medical staff are responsible, and by law they have to report it or be guilty of child endangerment.
People can argue one side or the other about the diet. Personally if I was following that diet I would introduce it gradually. My infant cousins all have had lactose intolerance, and drank almond milk when they were young.
Some of the food that the parents gave the child are not extreme, and are quite common. But if you do it all at once it may be hard to pin point what is happening (i.e. can't digest carrots) if there are too many variables in place.
i like how the show showed how ignorant doctors are about diets when House realized he was wrong and the diet wasn't hurting the baby at all, later in the episode.
If you want to know about food, ask a dietician (RD), not a doctor, not a nutritionist, not a youtube commenter.
Yah except by the end of the episode it’s revealed that the parents do everything House tells them to and she is still losing weight bc her diet wasn’t the problem but the fact that she had a rare disease that House never considered bc of his prejudice
I’m not sure why people just scream abuse, when the entire point of the story is that they were not abusive (and house was wrong). This has nothing to do with her diet. It’s a condition.
Abuse.
@@curlyhairdudeify then according to actual science, and doctor house “you are a mor- wait for it - on.
Feeding your child anti oxidants rich diets, including things like beans which are incredibly dense in vital minerals like iron, magnesium, etc(more so than any animal food by a long shot), is actually setting them up for long term health.
Instead of just throwing a cheese burger on a plate, calling it healthy because you made it at home, but never even having them meet anti oxidants or fiber or mineral needs
@@MrMasterDebate i love how you immediately went defensive when bacchanalia was so very obviously making a joke that you perfectly set up. and felt the need to attack anyone who dares eat a larger variety of food than you
@@MrMasterDebate because it's been deemed by the law that feeding an infant a vegan diet is abuse and they used a nutritionist which is an unregulated term which means the diet wasn't created by a medical professional and is deemed abuse and intention neglect of a child. It gets the nutritionst charges as well. Abuse is abuse ignorance is not an excuse
Absolutely never trust a ‘nutritionist’ if you want actual viable science viz food, diet and physiology then you want to speak to a person called a Dietician and a consult from an everyday practicing MD Physician can’t hurt.
It’s amazing how much ‘nutritional science’ is total hokum. It has to be some of the most difficult stuff to study because you can’t exactly pull a double blind placebo controlled study on Food. Five year longitudinal study’s are completely out of the question..
Lmfao y'all are so funny. "Force veganism." Everything at that age is forced.
ikr im getting frustrated seeing the comments about how veganism bad.
Like vegan dogs? They cannot articulate what is best for them.
@@bulcsuzsiga1824 big difference. Humans can eat vegan. And furthermore human babies can, IF properly implemented and supervised by someone who actually knows what they're doing. Like is explained in this episode.
It is completely unnatural and unethical for dogs to be completely vegan.
@@kylovesart Well, it’s technically unnatural for humans to eat a vegan diet. Humans are biologically made to be omnivores, but can survive as vegans if they’re careful about their diet.
@@lucheng1945 that's fair. Perhaps unnatural was a poor choice in words. But the point stands that humans can function just fine if properly attempted. Dogs cannot.
No, the Hospital made the wrong call. Separating babies from their parents should be the last resort, not the first, the parents were foolish but not malicious, and they were listening to House when he told them what they were doing wrong, they shouldn't have been arrested.
Who ever is keeping this show alive, you are a legend. Thank you.
honestly i believe it should be a persons own decision what they eat - don’t force veganism onto your child, wait until they’re old enough to decide for themselves
"Thank god!"
"Technically it's Alexander Fleming, he developed Antibiotics"
Idk but I always smile when I hear Alexander Fleming. A true lad
I think this couple was dangerously ignorant, but at least these parents (unlike most) took this advice to heart and decided to change what they were doing for the welfare of the baby. Dangerously ignorant, yes, changed for the better, yes. (Social services should actually go for actual abusers--like child molesters and child abuse.)
Yeah the road to hell is paved with good intentions and all that. They were in the wrong but they learned and grew. They weren’t abusive just dangerously uninformed or even misinformed. In today’s age of information it’s easy to find so called “experts” tell you all sorts of nonsense whilst sounding very convincing. So I agree that they shouldn’t have to deal with social services.
@@someonerandom8552 Actually the parents weren’t doing anything wrong-the baby’s diet was planned by a nutritionist and baby was getting everything they needed. When House found out the diet was being looked over by an actual nutritionist, he ordered some tests and found out the baby has a genetic condition that doesn’t let you absorb fats.
So the diet was actually fine, and the parents were being fully responsible about it, baby just had a genetic condition.
I will full heartedly agree that it can be harder to make sure a baby gets all the nutrition needed from a plant-based diet, (let alone a raw diet), but most baby food is fruits and veggies with milk-which a baby can easily have soy milk. A nutritionist should 100% be involved just because there’s less readily available info on how to keep your baby healthy on a restrictive diet. But that doesn’t mean it can’t be done responsibly or with no issues. If the parents had their baby on a hippie blog’s diet, then yes the parents are dumbasses, but they were doing everything right.
@@emikookime1849 Nutritionist isn't a protected term. Any person can claim to be a nutritionist. Having a nutritionist create a diet for a baby is stupid bordering on child abuse.
Dietician is the protected term.
@@geoffreysorkin5774 A nutritionist working in a hospitals are going to be registered dietians, the academy of nutrition and dietetics which is responsible for accrediting RDs says that a plant based vegan diet is safe for all stages of life.
I'm a pediatric hospital social worker. I love House and I know the show is drama. But a CPS intervention would not happen like that.
It's TV, chill out.
@@musical_lolu4811 Totally chill. Like I said, the show is drama.
Its always interesting to see House defending his patients rights
I work with families affected by child welfare and I am shocked and horrified at the abuse and power I see being wielded against poor, ignorant people...it's almost as traumatic and shocking as the criminal justice complex and leaves a lifetime of trauma.
What pisses me off is the fact that the parents were honestly trying to do the best for their child. They didnt even try to argue about the diet and they listened to house as the doctor. They prioritized their baby over the pride and were concerned with her first and foremost.
God. But this just pisses me off. A lot. Its never the Actual Abuse that they go after, its always these kind of issues. Ugh.
"You made the wrong one"
Cuddy is an idiot, she hasn't been a real doctor in years (they said so in the show and she later on admitted it), it's very easy for someone in any profession to look at a chart or any piece of data and say whatever they want without knowing any context. Cuddy was proven to be wrong since the baby had a genetic disorder which caused the weight loss, also you don't call child services and the police without at minimum talking to the parents, very unrealistic situation. Cuddy just saw a chart, saw the doctor was House (assumed he was being lazy) and called the cops? Very irresponsible of her, she legally wasn't in the wrong since the law requires that you report to child services if you suspect abuse, problem is that she wasn't the attending physician and she wasn't in any place to be suspecting abuse. It was Houses call and he made the right one.
All of these types of shows revolve around a very smart character being told they are wrong, and then they prove themselves right.
Remember Monk? He solved every murder, and even in the late seasons people doubted him.
I agree though, it's stupid.
You do, in fact, call child services, as you're a mandatory reporter. If a kid comes in with signs of abuse there is literally no way for them to talk themselves out of being reported. This is because no one actually wants to report, it's awful, especially if the parents are nice; at the same time, some of those nice people are abusing their children. The sudden seizing of the child is pretty unlikely because judges really don't like doing it but you absolutely must call. House was in the wrong, because it wasn't his call to make; it was the lawmaker's, and they made it when they made the law.
@@liesmith Yeah you report signs of abuse not overwelmed first time parents who are clearly open to doing what needs doing. There was no abuse to report.
@@MissCaraMint No, you report the actual material situation the kid is in if it could be abuse, you don't make a judgment call at all. Then someone else says 'ah, they're just overwhelmed first time parents' and it's OK
@@liesmith Listen. The baby and parents interact well, there is no question of a rash or signs or other signs that the child’s hygiene has been neglected. The parents are not dismissive of the situation and have agreed to make whatever change House considdered best. There are no signs of shake baby syndome. No indication of muchousen by proxy. Or that the baby is overly anxious or annything appart from the nutritian issue that is easily fixed with a bit of guidance. In short, there is no suspicion of neglect to report. You set them up for follow up appointments to guide them make wiser decisions.
Absolutely fucking not. House's choice was correct. He fixed their mistake and educated them. If the problem had persisted after that, then it's neglect/ abuse.
As other people mentioned, the baby was later revealed to have a genetic disorder that causes malabsorption of nutrients. The vegan diet was a red herring.
You still shouldn't put a baby on a vegan diet.
no because he was breaking law by not reporting negligence its required
What negligence? As soon as they found out there was a problem, they sought help. That's not neglect. They didn't argue with the information. They weren't given a chance to neglect, because some Karen decided that one mistake warranted destroying their lives.
By that logic, just because you gave your toddler oatmeal that burned their tongue, that was abuse. You don't get a chance to learn to cool it more, or teach them to blow on it, because that was abuse and you don't deserve your child.
That's BS.
Tracey Ullman made a sketch about that.
It's called Tracey Ullman - Female-Led Drama Television Review
It's about 2:50 minutes long, but it's hilarious and also a bit sad.
Had a similar experience at a former place of work. Worked at a casino that doubled as a hotel and I worked the night shift hotel counter as an audit. Had the police show up because apparently this couple left about six or so minors ranging from 15 to 2 years old. The couple wasn’t even on the property, they had left the hotel and let it slip about the kids after being pulled over on the highway by law enforcement (something’ along the lines that needed to hurry because their kids were alone in the hotel room). Child services took in the kids and the couple was arrested, that’s as far as I know of what happened but this was a clear sign of either neglect, stupidity and/or an actual attempt at abandonment (and that last one has happened before, but with an elderly woman with sundown syndrome; she was stuck at the casino/hotel for a week).
leaving out the part where the vegan parents talk about how they consulted a nutritionist about their baby's diet, and that she actually had an underlying condition is certainly a choice!
Bad criminal justice doesn't always result in someone getting shot.
I recently adopted a kitten from a shelter and they told me when we adopted him that he was being fed twice a day with morning dry food and night wet food.
I followed their directions and called a vet a few days later because he was having digestive issues. The vet was extremely angry because apparently, the shelter didn't give me the right direction on how much to eat.
Thankfully we caught it in time and he's thriving.
In the end it was not the veganism the problem but it was misinterpreted just like in real life
House said it best. They aren’t abusing that baby, they are just idiots. They don’t need their baby taken and arrested. They need taught how to be parents. They thought they were doing the right thing for their child. They didn’t know it was wrong.
I loved House he was so blunt and straightforward he cared but it was so funny I wish they would bring it back !!
Sadly things like this happen where babies don't latch on and first time parents don't know what to do, and they end up taking the baby to the hospital out of concern and to seek help and the staff end up calling cps on them. It's really sad 😔
Most reasonable and understanding vegans to ever exist?
There was an actual case in Sweden exactly like this one a couple of years ago. Parents were found guilty of child endagerment. One doctor who met their toddler, had earlier worked in starvation-struck parts of Africa and had never seen anything as bad as this child. :(
Really, choosing what you eat it's your choice, give that same choice to your children, don't impose yours to them.
I completely agree! Babies and children also need a lot of vitamins and nutrition that their bodies need to grow and vegan diets lack that.
@@MsLovestory01 Yup, but I'm pretty sure a lot of them will say _"it's the exact same nutrients! And they're not made of murder!"_ or some outlandish BS.
@@MsLovestory01 what vitamins and nutrients are you talking about?
@@Tyke69
Proteins and Fats (as found in human breast milk).
@@Well_I_am_just_saying Vegans have no problems giving their children human breast milk
This is one reason why I hated Cuddy. Jumping to conclusions about what went on with patients. Didn't even bother to supervise or interview them herself, just called the police.
People do it all the time. My child has a medical condition called microdeletion syndrome 15Q 13.3. Because of it he has no muscle tone. Hes 9 years old and weighs 48 pounds. I had a neighbor apparently take one look at him assumed I was starving him and reported me to CPS. I had to deal with them for weeks over something I literally have zero control over. People can be very quick to judge and in my experience never even tries to talk to you first. I've had a previous school system be pretty ignorant too because my child has autism and self harms and they wasted no time in reporting that without talking to me then also. I realize that maybe they think they are helping but I wish they have that same energy for kids who actually need CPS.
Tracey Ullman made a sketch about that.
It's called Tracey Ullman - Female-Led Drama Television Review
It's about 2:50 minutes long, but it's hilarious and also a bit sad.
If the baby was already at the 25th percentile for weight, why the hell were there no interventions put in place by the pediatrician? This baby should have been seen by the pediatrician once a week to ensure it was gaining weight.
Why didn't the parents take the baby to the pediatrician? They had to know she was getting thinner.
I liked how the parents didn't argue with House when he pointed out the diet.
Too bad social services doesn’t do this when there is actual child abuse going on.
I love the amount of people saying these parents were abusive and should have done research about the diet, and that they deserve to have their baby taken from them…Just watch the freaking show and find out how wrong you are before commenting lmao!
@Shawn Brink Where did I say I’m better than people? I just said people should watch the show before arguing with people using their opinion instead of facts.
The person to blame is whoever uploaded a misleading clip without context. People are allowed to comment on that clip without researching the whole show.
In asia, sometimes infants are abandoned in front of buddhism temples, and the monks raised them up with what they have - vegan foods. The childs grown up just fine, this baby has a genetic disorder that was triggered by the vegan diet, without that genetic disorder, they would have no problem
I took my son to a check up at his 1 year appointment and they give you a paper to fill out, I answered all the questions. Including that I was nursing my son. I guess the doctor was in a hurry and didn't read the paper or something. She asked if he takes a sippy cup. I said yes and that he gets water in it and the occasional juice. She said he should be given cows milk too(they can quit nursing and formula at 1yo). To which I replied he doesn't need cows milk. She looked at me all upset and said yes he does need it... Confused I said he's already getting water and juice, in his cup there's no need for the extra calcium when he's already getting so much nutrients. She started to explain that isn't nutrients... Even more confused I said well breast bill is extremely nutrient and since he eats 3 meals a day with snacks too I don't think he needs the additional whole fat milk. You can imagine the awkwardness as she explained she skipped over the paperwork, and apologized for the mistake.
Well they obviously don't need cows milk, as dairy milk was only a recent development, it's completely optional. But they certainly need meat and animal fat to function and develop properly. The requirements for certain nutrients in a developing brain is higher than one that is developed, etc. Also the number of meals a day means absolutely nothing. A human can do just fine with one meal a day provided they are getting everything they need within that meal, and it was more natural for us to do so.
The problem was the raw food diet. Not the vegan diet
Vegan babies are fine
Love that house is like "let's see if these are the kinds of idiots that learn from mistakes" rather than just. Shoving a kid that is loved, even if they're making horrific dietary mistakes, into a system that seldom works as intended
So abusive, they took their baby to the hospital when they noticed she was sick.
To be a vegan should be a personal choice. Children should not be forced to do it, as its very easily damaging.
cant you just turn this around and say:
"To be a meat eater should be a personal choice. Children should not be forced to do it, as its very easily damaging." ?
@@bewaterdmt Not really, as veganism is the restrictive diet, the other way around is not.
However, if you mean the other extreme of a "only meat" diet, like a carnivore diet, then yes, that would indeed be the same problem.
Religious things like not eating specific meat is somewhat in that too, but its quite specific and not as broad.
@@bewaterdmt There is no healthy "PLANTS ONLY" diet for us. Show us the study that says otherwise...oh right there isn't one.
Why do you use animal products needlessly (that means possible and practicable to avoid) while only pretending to be against it?
@@ThisNameIsBanned So, by your logic it seems like eating meat and drinking milk is absolutely "not damaging", but beeing vegan is, even for children? Do you have a source for this claim? Greetings!
@@bewaterdmt "Both vegetarian and vegan children exhibit signs of vitamin B12 deficiency without supplementation, with approximately 30% not receiving supplementation. Additionally, they show lower iron stores, increased risk of vitamin D deficiency, and potentially inadequate iodine intake."
Women usually get not enough iron, so for teenage girls it can be really bad as well.
To stay healthy as a vegan you usually need supplements that give you what you deny your body with your diet.
"Children can be safely raised as vegans, as long as the parents are very well informed on meeting nutritional requirements with a vegan diet, which is trickier than meeting requirements for adults following a vegan diet."
You can do it, but the usual parents are not diet experts, a lot of vegan women do not get enough iron and have problems with their period, which can be especially bad for teenage girls with a vegan diet. They wont fall over dead because of it, but they have deficiencies that has health consequences that go away if they stop being vegan and eat more meat.
That said, you can of course be unhealthy with a meat diet as well, like eating way too much, a regular diet with meat however is the basic healthy diet, as you get all you need (say meat, fish, greens, a balanced diet is not complicated).
This reminds me of a episode of Unsolved Mysteries. A baby is suspected of dying by antifreeze poisoning. The parents were arrested and charged. The mother was pregnant and had supervised visits after the birth. But the 2nd baby started showing signs of antifreeze poisoning. After a full examination and a certain test, did they find out both babies had a disorder. (Can't remember what it's called).
Patricia Stallings. Her babies had Methylmalonic Acidemia. When prosecutors learned of the diagnosis they insisted that it was coincidence that the younger baby happened to have a disease that could present so similarly to antifreeze poisoning. Her own lawyer only halfheartedly pursued the possibility that the first baby had the disease, and did not press very hard when told he couldn't present that possibility. She was failed on so many levels. She wasn't freed until a scientist saw an episode of Unsolved Mysteries on the case and offered to thoroughly test the dead baby's blood samples, and later he and a colleague proved how easily the chemical products of the disease could be confused with antifreeze poisoning by labs using the most common testing methods.
Didn't The Good Doctor recently make an episode based on that case?
Funny how people in the comments are bashing vegan parents, but I guess you haven't watched the whole episode, bcs it turns out, they were actually doing this according to a licensed nutritionist and it turns out the baby had some kind of medical problem digesting correctly, which lead to this.... but it wasn't the diets fault....
Yes, the problem is mostly vegans don't actually stick with the diet correctly and get lazy after time, which might be ok with them but not with babies and children, but still, if you do it right, if you get help from nutritionists and are able to make compromises then it will be fine....
Its still wrong to feed a baby a vegan diet. You want to experiment on yourself when you are old enough to decide that great. But not a kid. Babys need fat and protein to build. Not tomatoes and hemp seeds
That's exactly what makes it fiction. There is no such thing as an infant-appropriate raw vegan diet.
@@steakovercake3986 To insinuate that you only get fat and protein from meat.. is disgustingly ignorant and just flat out wrong
@@cee-emm raw diet no, vegan diet yes.
@@bexie1992 That's still a hard no.
So glad I have the notifications on
Eating a whole foods, plant based (wfpb) diet is one of the healthiest ways to eat. Most people can get everything they need from plants, since all vitamins, all minerals, first come from plants. Most starving kids eat animals. It is not a wfpb diet that starves someone. It is usually a psychological concern (of the kids or parents) or a physical condition.
so social services saves kids who are not in need of saving and the kids they actually save do not have that good condition
i know right what a bunch of losers , so what if parents starved their child? at least they love their child
@@HUCERBH3947 they unintentionally starved their child, they didn’t know the diet was bad for it and it’s why they said they were gonna change it right before the cops came in. Parents make mistakes, that was one of them
@@SoldierD- oh boy no one tells this dude what manslaughter is please don't
@@SoldierD- In the episode it's explained they were actually giving the child a full diet, he just had a condition.
@@HUCERBH3947 actually they had no idea they were starving the kid
Let your child be vegan at their own volition and time, not exactly when they’re children.
Since it's possible, and now very easy, to give a child a full vegan (or vegetarian) diet with no drawbacks, maybe it should be the childs option to have an animal killed in it's sake or not, not the way you claim it should be.
@@martintaylor1547 Of course a baby can decide if it wants to eat meat or not! Its not like that was the entire point of this video
Ditto with religion.
@@npc1238 Yea, when hes a bit older you ask if he wants to start eating meat. And yes, i'm salty they didn't put the end clip in there where it's explained the parents did nothing wrong.
@@martintaylor1547 over emotive guilt tripping rhetoric.... you must be a vegan.
I'm not usually on House's side because I don't like bullies, but I come over to his side because he's usually right, but in this case I'm 100% on his s ide, I said it in my head before he even delivered it, just in different words "they aren't abusive they're stupid."
As a vegan parent with a vegan 3 YO, just thought you'd like to know she is 95th percentile for height and 85th for weight 😉. The important thing is eating a balanced diet, whether vegan or not.
As a side note, it turns out in this episode the weight loss is caused by another underlying problem, not her diet.
No need to make things up.
Both you and your young one use animal products.
@@SteversChed ?
@@SteversChed ?
@@bewaterdmt Glad you agree with me since you couldn't even formulate words.
Wasn’t this the one where it turned out there was actually something wrong with the baby? Like the diet they had it on was doctor approved?
@@r0bw00d Nutritionists aren’t certified and yes the uncle was a self proclaimed nutritionist but he was not a dietician which is the regulated certified term. The veganism did lead to the severe pneumonia because the lack of vitamin D compromised her immunity as well as caused anemia.
This is common for vegan infants which is why public nutrition organizations highly discourages the diet from pregnant and lactating women and infants and children unless prescribed by a doctor.
@@kimmiewise1044 The uncle wasn't a 'self proclaimed' nutritionist. He was a college graduate with a degree in diet and nutrition. And the diet quite explicitly did NOT cause the child's medical issues. The child had a preexisting medical condition that surprise, surprise: can cause the child to be unable to gain weight. Even if they had fed her a regular diet, she would STILL not be gaining weight. Because her diet wasn't the reason.
Just an idea but maybe before you go spouting off about a show, you should try actually watching the show.
It's extra funny because Lisa Edelstein is also a Vegan
Uh, bigger risk to not communicate with the actual direct provider before you potentially endanger the patient by forcing a switch in guardianship…
It's stuff like "You made the wrong one" that made me hate Cuddy from the start. Was she ever right about... ANYTHING?
Tracey Ullman made a sketch about that.
It's called Tracey Ullman - Female-Led Drama Television Review
It's about 2:50 minutes long, but it's hilarious and also a bit sad.
Came to laugh about vegans, stayed to frown at abusive US agencies.
I have 3 kids that are now adults, they grew up in a vegan and organic household, it's not abuse if you want your kids to have a healthy diet and lifestyle.. I rather have my children be healthy than eating candies, chocolate, sugar, *meat* , and fats, and get diabetes or other health problems..
I'm expecting baby #4 and a grandchild this year and we are going to raise our kids the same way I raised my eldest children
Remember kids: stay away from your parents' moral causes, get your own
A couple in Florida actually killed their baby. They had her on all raw fruit and vegetable diet and she died of malnutrition..
I saw that story. That is Death by Stupidity.
It was my call
You made the wrong one
dude he just made them change their minds of forcing the baby to be vegan
I had a classmate who was vegan all throughout his life and turned out fine. He was able to eat everything vegan and not as strict besides not consistently eating candy and junk food. I have non-vegan friends and family who were lactose intolerant at birth so only drank alternative which was fine before gerber came in.
I remember this has happened for real in one in Florida and the other in Canada..but sadly in these cases the child did not survive and the parents were arrested..
*Body start producing milk during pregnancy to feed its offspring*
*Human doesn't feed the baby milk*
Body : WTF !
Well, you can't exactly feed a baby that isn't born yet, now, can you?
@@-._.-KRiS-._.- you obviously aren't trying hard enough!
So i understand where House is coming from and I completely agree. However anyone who works in healthcare knows as mandated reporters, by law when something like this happens, you have to report and let social services investigate. Its unfortunate at times and sometimes you don't want to call, but you have to. Fortunately in this case it was not abuse, but you would be surprised how often it is.
No you call if you suspect child abuse, and House did not suspect child abuse. It’s just a couple with their first baby who clearly are open to doing everything the doctor is going to tell them about how to best take care of their baby.
My sister's first baby was a failure to thrive and they took him to the hospital. The hospital immediately notified CPS. It turns out that the only reason he wasn't eating properly is because he didn't like the way the bottle nipple was sitting on his tongue. Unlike the way it was supposed to sit, he liked it with the flat side of the nipple upside down and he would drink it just fine. Even then CPS workers still came around for a couple months after.