Millennium Dawn Pros and Cons: Pros- Turns a war game into a modern economy and politics simulator Cons - Turns a war game into a modern economy and politics simulator
When I saw the US in my Millenium Dawn game go 25000b in debt, I believed that the mod was too complicated even for it's own AI... Then I looked up the height of US debt in the real world.
When it comes to debt I’d recommend paying it off as often as possible and try to get it near zero. If you actually manage to get it paid off you won’t have to worry about a debt crisis during WW3 which is the last thing you need in the late game when division costs are through the moon. Bonus points are earned for this in the late game when major powers keep exploding into civil wars because the AI is still pretty bad at economy even if super powers rarely self destruct anymore.
Id love to see critical infrastructure and resources in Millenium Dawn - like food, gas/oil with pipelines needed for efficient civilian and military factories. That would get the game one level higher in terms of realism!
@@H3rraM4juri maybe - or maybe not. Railways and supply are currently the best thing that could happen to warfare in hoi iv in my opinion. I believe that better reflected resource transport and trade would make the same for economy and powerplay. The other thing i would love seeing is being able to force your options in peace conference if you are major power/superpower even if you didn't fight directly. That should be accompanied by military power having it's share in war contribution. As a superpower it should be possible to shape world without being engaged directly!
@@colemorrison8957 The current mod is great, I love the idea, and I admire the work put into this. It's complicated but with videos like these one can grab basics and have fun :) But for me skipping these (and to a lesser extent straits - control of it should generate political power and GDP at least) causes a high loss in ralism. Currently one fights not only for resources but to control trade routes. The lack of these completely transforms powerplay and strategy... If Millennium Dawn wants to simulate the current political landscape (and I thought it does) it requires at least 3 more features: - food and commodities - pipelines/transport routes (straits included) - peace conference rebalanced :)
Investing takes I think around 20-30 years to pay off so unless you plan to pay till late game it might not be worth it compared to paying off your debts.
Investing in other countries is more of a tool for acquiring subjects half the time. Making money is a side benefit. Also at least in my USSR games it's been really amusing putting down 15 civs a year in countries that I know will be part of me soon. Whether they like it or not.
Investing into factories and infrastructure in your core lands that you will retake, into your future puppet or even into your allies and customers will repay FAR more quickly though indirectly;)
Am I the only one who didn't learn a thing from this? How do I trade? How do I send offers to trade resources? How do I properly manage my population and tax? How do I manage debt interest???? Please explain more.
tbh russia in late game can be powerful but it takes time to build large army and challenge major powers (of course if you have ai division limit off) and oh yeah i always go for mandatory service bcs i don't care what happens to my soldiers
@@H3rraM4juri russia has barely enough men to fight a minor country xd. us, china and eu can conscript tens of millions each with little to no economic effect while russian federation is barely able to field a few millions at best before collapsing.
I love the economic mechanic in millenium dawn, but the time for buliding civilian factory by investment is sooo Looong. For example it take 933 day for only 3 civilian factory with max infrastructur and network. Is there any change to reduce time for building? it is really frustating to only build Infrastructure and network😅
While in the majority of cases it is true for the trade laws I find it more worthwhile to use global trade early on as Canada because of the fact they have a huge surplus of resources and them being in Nato means it is easier to export to big consumers. It is especially good to give that early cash boost when combined with the oil focuses
@@Hammurabae Alot more for OWB, mostly just Fallout Fans that just want to play a new fallout game instead of waiting for Todd Howard to make another one 😂
With the new economic/electricity update a new use for investment loop appeared: Investing into fossil fuel powerplants in countries that don't have domestic fuel production as oil state. It massively boosts global demand for oil even if at first they start to buy from random places like Russia or Saudi Arabia, they eventually get to you. Selling almost all of your market oil feels like a power trip. Basically you're copying the idea and spirit of Belt&Road investments. And of course there are the usual - invest in ally, invest in future core, invest in future puppet, invest to boost diplomatic relations, invest in infrastructure in states that produce rare Earth elements to increase their amounts on the market, invest in dockyards to bankrupt your opposition by filling their building slots with weakest building.
If I were the Millenium dawn devs i would put the eco preview on the top right next to important things like the division designer bc it took me at least 10 play throughs just to find it
Do I understand correctly that volunteer service is more expensive than mandatory service? I never understood why that is Also is there a way to increase the opinion of internal factions other than focuses and random events?
It’s actually pretty simple. With a volunteer service the government needs to compete with industry for soldiers whereas in conscription services the government can pay you whatever it feels and you have to do it or go to jail.
IMPORTANT:ik im late but office sectors are not the best for making money.civilian factories make buildings faster.unless youre running out of building slots you always build civs
Do you know what other factors influence GDP? If we go by the numbers provided, assuming you aren't a rural microstate with one office complex taking your one building slot and thus have a gdp per capita through the roof, the highest you can get gdp per capita through buildings seems to be 48k with the numbers provided through 3 office complexes per state with each state barely having 300k population. Is trade added to GDP?
GDP is based on your factories (civs, mils, dockyards, offices). If you are getting civs through trade this are included in the calculation. See: Russia at game start whose civs will almost all come from oil exports.
Honestly, this economy thing feels off. Because if we're talking about MD here, it should account for different things and repurpose some economic actions, such as civs, why do civs divert to tax costs? Why can't the office parks do that? Another reason is trade, why do civs go to other nations when you want to trade? Makes no sense, because the Cold War mod already made a better version and that is you don't pay with civs but actual money, also there's no civilian consumption in MD but in cold war, there is [Consumption Economy spirit] also the economic synergy between nations is lacking, in MD4 the global economy was very interconnected like irl (i suppose that's cuz resources were limited and oil was still used to make ships and tanks, making oil exporting countries like Russia and Saudi Arabia very, VERY broken in terms of civ amount) while here it feels isolationist. I feel it's only right to expand on the economics of MD to include all available forms of irl modern day economy matters, because it still feels like it's VERY heavily focused on the military and expansion. Another point (this is more of my favourite) is the ability to cut resource production, now you may ask why? Because it can increase the price of those certain resources like irl, if you were playing Saudi Arabia for instance and you GREATLY cut your oil production (with a cap of 10%) it should make the oil prices soar and make u a LOT of revenue (ofc it should be counterbalanced by either demands from other nations for you to increase your oil production or for other oil rich nations to increase their production)
in my civilian taxes i get the modifier “Law, ideas and tech compacts on taxes: -104%” or something like that how do i fix it? (btw im playing as italy)
anyone know how to lower tax cost? Lowering my corporate tax rate seems to not actually lower my corporate tax cost, so I'm permanently at above 70% corporate tax cost from adjusting it so much.
Whenever I try to build something it tells me I do not have an assigned industry. What does it mean by that? Is there a hidden menu or something that I missed?
I’m not understanding how to get rubber for production. I trade for it but it costs civ industry. I’ve burned through that already. Isn’t there any other way to gain good without using industrial building as a trade off?
What's the difference between basic and cash crops? Why should I priotize one over the other? (if this is in the video sorry, i played it in the background while playing hoi4)
Returning playee here, i notice they removed the Weapons Market in MD 1.9.1... did they put it on international Market on DLC (arms against tyranny)? Also is selling weapons in that DLC generate Income?
This is like one of the worst mods I have played. I cannot even start constructing any civ factories because all of them are used to pa off the debt. I am playng on civilian difficulty but I am already stuck on a cycle which i cannnot get out of withput cheats. This mod literally forces you to cheat to survive. Absolute garbage economics
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Millennium Dawn Pros and Cons:
Pros- Turns a war game into a modern economy and politics simulator
Cons - Turns a war game into a modern economy and politics simulator
XD 😂
dude it's like hoi4 on ROIDS
The war goes from about %60 to %20 of the gameplay 😂
When I saw the US in my Millenium Dawn game go 25000b in debt, I believed that the mod was too complicated even for it's own AI...
Then I looked up the height of US debt in the real world.
US Economic policy built different, not in a good way
@@Hammurabae YOU DONT UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO SPEEEEEEEND
@@admiraljohan7152hahhaa
32 trillion
25000b? Not enough.
When it comes to debt I’d recommend paying it off as often as possible and try to get it near zero. If you actually manage to get it paid off you won’t have to worry about a debt crisis during WW3 which is the last thing you need in the late game when division costs are through the moon. Bonus points are earned for this in the late game when major powers keep exploding into civil wars because the AI is still pretty bad at economy even if super powers rarely self destruct anymore.
Id love to see critical infrastructure and resources in Millenium Dawn - like food, gas/oil with pipelines needed for efficient civilian and military factories. That would get the game one level higher in terms of realism!
yeah but it would just make it too complex
@@H3rraM4juri maybe - or maybe not. Railways and supply are currently the best thing that could happen to warfare in hoi iv in my opinion. I believe that better reflected resource transport and trade would make the same for economy and powerplay.
The other thing i would love seeing is being able to force your options in peace conference if you are major power/superpower even if you didn't fight directly. That should be accompanied by military power having it's share in war contribution. As a superpower it should be possible to shape world without being engaged directly!
Bro it’s already like three times more complicated then base game💀
@@colemorrison8957
The current mod is great, I love the idea, and I admire the work put into this. It's complicated but with videos like these one can grab basics and have fun :)
But for me skipping these (and to a lesser extent straits - control of it should generate political power and GDP at least) causes a high loss in ralism. Currently one fights not only for resources but to control trade routes. The lack of these completely transforms powerplay and strategy... If Millennium Dawn wants to simulate the current political landscape (and I thought it does) it requires at least 3 more features:
- food and commodities
- pipelines/transport routes (straits included)
- peace conference rebalanced :)
@@matek11 I dont want to build a super computer just to run hoi4. its already bad enough
You helped me a year ago you helping me now thanks bro
Investing takes I think around 20-30 years to pay off so unless you plan to pay till late game it might not be worth it compared to paying off your debts.
A lot of MD players go until late. If your budget isnt balanced make office complexes instead or cut costs.
Investing in other countries is more of a tool for acquiring subjects half the time. Making money is a side benefit.
Also at least in my USSR games it's been really amusing putting down 15 civs a year in countries that I know will be part of me soon. Whether they like it or not.
Investing into factories and infrastructure in your core lands that you will retake, into your future puppet or even into your allies and customers will repay FAR more quickly though indirectly;)
Am I the only one who didn't learn a thing from this?
How do I trade? How do I send offers to trade resources? How do I properly manage my population and tax? How do I manage debt interest????
Please explain more.
tbh russia in late game can be powerful but it takes time to build large army and challenge major powers (of course if you have ai division limit off) and oh yeah i always go for mandatory service bcs i don't care what happens to my soldiers
''I don't care about what happens to my soldiers'' playing straight IRL Russia lmfao.
@@commanderchaos5670 just build lot of infantry and tanks and just throw them into the meat grinder because I HAVE THE MANPOWER TO DO SO
@@H3rraM4juri yup and Russia's economy is strong once you get out of the initial early phase.
@@H3rraM4juri russia has barely enough men to fight a minor country xd. us, china and eu can conscript tens of millions each with little to no economic effect while russian federation is barely able to field a few millions at best before collapsing.
@@Jack-he8jv the ai and player russia are two different fucking things
I love the economic mechanic in millenium dawn, but the time for buliding civilian factory by investment is sooo Looong. For example it take 933 day for only 3 civilian factory with max infrastructur and network.
Is there any change to reduce time for building? it is really frustating to only build Infrastructure and network😅
There is if you know how to work with in-game files
don't make 3 civs at once, make 1 civ 3 times, they will all run for 300 days simultaneously
While in the majority of cases it is true for the trade laws I find it more worthwhile to use global trade early on as Canada because of the fact they have a huge surplus of resources and them being in Nato means it is easier to export to big consumers. It is especially good to give that early cash boost when combined with the oil focuses
Ive never played hearts of iron, day i got the game immediately went to millenium dawn
How did that go 😅🤣
Pretty bad but got better but if the support for this mode stops I'm dead
A lot of people buy hoi4 to play MD and old world blues tbh.
@@Hammurabae Alot more for OWB, mostly just Fallout Fans that just want to play a new fallout game instead of waiting for Todd Howard to make another one 😂
Im ngl you should be getting more views
Thanks this video really helped me understand the game(mod)
With the new economic/electricity update a new use for investment loop appeared:
Investing into fossil fuel powerplants in countries that don't have domestic fuel production as oil state. It massively boosts global demand for oil even if at first they start to buy from random places like Russia or Saudi Arabia, they eventually get to you. Selling almost all of your market oil feels like a power trip. Basically you're copying the idea and spirit of Belt&Road investments.
And of course there are the usual - invest in ally, invest in future core, invest in future puppet, invest to boost diplomatic relations, invest in infrastructure in states that produce rare Earth elements to increase their amounts on the market, invest in dockyards to bankrupt your opposition by filling their building slots with weakest building.
Never used the dockyard trick, but I will use it as china, ty!
If I were the Millenium dawn devs i would put the eco preview on the top right next to important things like the division designer bc it took me at least 10 play throughs just to find it
I played Turkey, kept my Pop Tax at 40% and Corp Tax at 47%. Helped me pay off my national debt by 2010.
Do I understand correctly that volunteer service is more expensive than mandatory service? I never understood why that is
Also is there a way to increase the opinion of internal factions other than focuses and random events?
It’s actually pretty simple. With a volunteer service the government needs to compete with industry for soldiers whereas in conscription services the government can pay you whatever it feels and you have to do it or go to jail.
@@adamm4766 Makes sense now thank you
IMPORTANT:ik im late but office sectors are not the best for making money.civilian factories make buildings faster.unless youre running out of building slots you always build civs
How about electricity? since civ is consuming electricity to work
I've seen this video before
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Could you make an update video as there's been some changes?
Can you make a video on how to download millenium dawn and run it with the correct version please, because i had lots of problem in it
Does AI manage their military stockpile costs or do they just produce?
They manage them in order to balance budget
This mod is just painful. I think I got the economy after 3rd watch, but for the military I will need to see the video 8 more times
Do you know what other factors influence GDP? If we go by the numbers provided, assuming you aren't a rural microstate with one office complex taking your one building slot and thus have a gdp per capita through the roof, the highest you can get gdp per capita through buildings seems to be 48k with the numbers provided through 3 office complexes per state with each state barely having 300k population. Is trade added to GDP?
GDP is based on your factories (civs, mils, dockyards, offices).
If you are getting civs through trade this are included in the calculation. See: Russia at game start whose civs will almost all come from oil exports.
@@sneedchuckington so 48k per capita is indeed the max then
Honestly, this economy thing feels off. Because if we're talking about MD here, it should account for different things and repurpose some economic actions, such as civs, why do civs divert to tax costs? Why can't the office parks do that? Another reason is trade, why do civs go to other nations when you want to trade? Makes no sense, because the Cold War mod already made a better version and that is you don't pay with civs but actual money, also there's no civilian consumption in MD but in cold war, there is [Consumption Economy spirit] also the economic synergy between nations is lacking, in MD4 the global economy was very interconnected like irl (i suppose that's cuz resources were limited and oil was still used to make ships and tanks, making oil exporting countries like Russia and Saudi Arabia very, VERY broken in terms of civ amount) while here it feels isolationist. I feel it's only right to expand on the economics of MD to include all available forms of irl modern day economy matters, because it still feels like it's VERY heavily focused on the military and expansion.
Another point (this is more of my favourite) is the ability to cut resource production, now you may ask why? Because it can increase the price of those certain resources like irl, if you were playing Saudi Arabia for instance and you GREATLY cut your oil production (with a cap of 10%) it should make the oil prices soar and make u a LOT of revenue (ofc it should be counterbalanced by either demands from other nations for you to increase your oil production or for other oil rich nations to increase their production)
First I thank for the video, help me much. Now I ask if you know about the ONU mod and how play multiplayer with he.
I feel like number of building slots depending on population is a bit strange
How can i have more of those 15/15 building slots? And how can i speed up building industry?
Hey! Could you explain the omt system?
How to play it without the Bux ? The game Crashs every time if i play it longer
Did they completely do away with agriculture?
in my civilian taxes i get the modifier “Law, ideas and tech compacts on taxes: -104%” or something like that how do i fix it? (btw im playing as italy)
You never told me how to fix 36 percent debt…
anyone know how to lower tax cost? Lowering my corporate tax rate seems to not actually lower my corporate tax cost, so I'm permanently at above 70% corporate tax cost from adjusting it so much.
Whenever I try to build something it tells me I do not have an assigned industry. What does it mean by that? Is there a hidden menu or something that I missed?
"These things are very expensive"
*laughs in half of my GDP in the treasury as India*
What is reinvestment investment?
Could you explain how the weapons Market is working, I placed order but how long does it take before I get the Equipment I want to buy?
Check your decisions to see a timer at the top telling you how long. I believe its a month or few
I’m not understanding how to get rubber for production. I trade for it but it costs civ industry. I’ve burned through that already. Isn’t there any other way to gain good without using industrial building as a trade off?
Invading a country that has said goods, or building refineries other than those i think thats it
What's the difference between basic and cash crops? Why should I priotize one over the other? (if this is in the video sorry, i played it in the background while playing hoi4)
Sorry for asking why don’t have Chinese subtitles
Should be fixed, does it work now?
Mod is too boring...nothing ever happens
Different folks different strokes
Dunno man as russia this is an awesome mod, slowly but surely you fix the Russian army and fight your way into world domination
Can someone help me because my population income is 0
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Playing as Ghana. Not easy!
Returning playee here, i notice they removed the Weapons Market in MD 1.9.1... did they put it on international Market on DLC (arms against tyranny)? Also is selling weapons in that DLC generate Income?
Friday comes new update and brings market back and solutio to the issues with game crash because of AAT dlc.
@@mikegr2840 so i can get Weapons Market ( Money for equipment ) from AAT DLC ?
@@DEJDJDJDE123So did market works?
@@adiuxadiux9086 never
NO WAY SEONE ACTUALLY DID THIS NO FOCKING WAY! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA THIS IS ACTUALLY SO FUNNY!
What happened to the old one?
I uploaded in the lowest resolution by accident 😂 Recently switched to premiere from vegas for editing and getting used ti some things.
@@Hammurabae ahhh fair enough. Good tutorial though. I like managing my economy, love seeing the GDP go up.
Wtf is this bullshit. I just wanna play a game.
This is like one of the worst mods I have played. I cannot even start constructing any civ factories because all of them are used to pa off the debt. I am playng on civilian difficulty but I am already stuck on a cycle which i cannnot get out of withput cheats. This mod literally forces you to cheat to survive. Absolute garbage economics