Awesome points, I appreciate your work. God bless you. “There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” Ephesians 4:4-6 KJV
One of five prayer given to the children at Fatima: “O Most Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, I adore Thee profoundly. I offer Thee the most precious Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ present in all the tabernacles of the world, in reparation for the outrages, sacrileges and indifferences by which He is offended. By the infinite merits of the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary I beg the conversion of poor sinners.”
So, Trinitarians take this passage as referring to the Trinity: one Spirit, one Lord (Jesus Christ), and one Father. I'm not endorsing that though. But we do need to understand that there are distinctions to be made. But not between divine persons, it's kind of like how my spirit is distinct from my body, but I'm one person. God is a divine being/person with his own Spirit, the eternal Spirit, while we have created spirits. And the one Lord Jesus Christ refers to God's Son, the child born of Mary, whom God raised up and exalted. God exalted a person, not a nature, and the person he exalted was Jesus of Nazareth.
The three are one,they are not 3 different "persons"Jesus is one with the Father the spirit is the spirit of Christ the spirit proceeds from the father ,the spirit is the word(s) Jesus spoke and the life , God is spirit .im not a oneness pentecostal but I dont promote "trinity "as the " 3 persons" idea is not in scripture.Jesus is one person not three , in him dwells the fullness of the God head in bodily form .
@@Christdiedforoursins1Corinthia The Greek reading of John 1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and God was the word. How did God create? He spoke his word.
Hi Steve! Glenn from Australia here What I found interesting is the quick reference you made to Jesus sharing the glory of God. This is actually expressed in Ezekiel 1. What I find most interesting is that most Jewish orthodox scholars and rabbis won't even comment on verses 26-27, saying it is forbidden and dangerous to talk about it, and only for private reflection. Why is that? Well, in verse 1, Ezekiel describes having seen "visions of God". 1 Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God. So, these visions are of the God they worship. Yet, in verses 26-27 it says, 26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it. 27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about. 28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake. Notice it talks about the appearance of a throne above the firmament and upon that throne was the appearance of a man (Jesus). Yet this was a vision of God!! This is confirmed in chapter 3:22-23, when he says he saw the glory of the LORD (Jehovah) as he did at the river Chebar: 22 And the hand of the LORD was there upon me; and he said unto me, Arise, go forth into the plain, and I will there talk with thee. 23 Then I arose, and went forth into the plain: and, behold, the glory of the LORD stood there, as the glory which I saw by the river of Chebar: and I fell on my face. The glory of the LORD "stood there". He had legs and feet.. This is referred to similarly at times by Ezekiel, like in chapter 10:15, 20-22, and chapter 43:3. The orthodox Jewish scholars won't touch this though and claim that it is due to verse 27 of chapter 1, including a description of His loins (which points to the purity and absolute holiness of Jesus), but also because it would align with the visions of Jesus that John saw in Revelation, thus confirming that Jesus is in fact Jehovah in the flesh!
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa I'll share with you something else I came across in 1 Peter 1:11 (interesting the numbers used there...) Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. The Spirit of Christ was in the prophets of old! One Spirit!
The messenger sent in Isaiah 48:16 is Cyrus. God said "I have called him" (verse 15) and then Isaiah prophetically has Cyrus saying "and now God has sent me."
@@ralphowen3367 makes no sense , God hasn't got an Audience in His Head . Proverbs 30:4 , prophet sees The Father and Son with Equal Power and Dominion , Sharing Glory . Hebrews 1 God calls Jesus God , so who is This guy to say There is no Trinity . Revelations 1; 8 Upwards , Jesus calls Himself The First and The Last . Is That not God's Name in Torah , Who does Jesus Think He Is ? Further it reads John fell down when He Saw Jesus , That's in Submission and Bowing To Greatness . No Angel accepts Worship , actually says don't worship me ? Who does John think Jesus is ? Jesus further on again says I am the alpha and the Omega , Again repeating God's Name as His ? Which creature can call Himself by The Name of God . Isaiah 9:6 , unto us a Child is Born , a Son Given , The Government will be upon His Shoulders , He will be Called , Wonderfully , councillor ...( Mighty God ).... ( Eternal Father ) What ? Sounds Like John 1 Says The Word of God is Seperate From God , but 1 With The Father . Genesis says for that reason , a man will leave His Parents and Marry His Wife , and they shall become ( 1 achad )Jewish meaning , meaning 1 Combined . Not 1 in singular form . Again , Now Listen Isreal , the Lord your God , is ( 1 Echad ) Jewish Word for one combined , not a singular 1 , there is many more , this guy deletes my messages because he can't answered me . There is a Jewish book of ancient , called 2 Powers in Heaven , So many Old Rabbis , believed there where more than 1 power in Heaven . Don't be blinded by this guy , his led by the wrong spirit sadly . Philippians 2 : 6-11 , Jesus found it not Robbery to make Himself equal to God . Only Reason God the Father is Jesus God , is Because He Took on Flesh as a Law to take our place , rule , Blood had to be shed . He Gave His . Acts 20:28 Purchased By God's Blood , Does The Father have Blood ? No , Does The Spirit Have Blood ? No , So Then Jesus is Actually The God Who's Blood Was purchased on our behalf .
One of five prayer given to the children at Fatima: “O Most Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, I adore Thee profoundly. I offer Thee the most precious Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ present in all the tabernacles of the world, in reparation for the outrages, sacrileges and indifferences by which He is offended. By the infinite merits of the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary I beg the conversion of poor sinners.”
The “pluralis majestatis” is a late 12th century expression. To assume that (Isa. 48:16) was written with the “plural of majesty” in view is merely an inference on the text and bad hermeneutical interpretation. The grammar is strong in this text, and the distinction between subjects (Lord God, and His Spirit, has sent Me) is clear. The context and grammar used substantially shows a tri-unity of (Lord God, The Holy Spirit, and the one sent).
The person God sent in Isaiah 48 is Cyrus. That's who God is speaking about and how he would judge Babylon. So YHWH is saying that he foretold it, and then the prophet prophetically has Cyrus speaking, that now sovereign YHWH has sent me and his Spirit, or that God has anointed me to do what he has sent me to do.
Pastor Steve, I'm not understanding what you are saying so perhaps you could approach it from a different angel. My specific question is who do you say is the "Me" in Isa 48:16 ( "... the Lord God and His Spirit have sent Me." )? Sounds like you're saying "Me" is either: a. an ancient literary construct or method that we don't understand; or b. God is speaking of Himself in the third person as royalty does. Is this correct or what am I missing?
I think he is saying that God is talking in future tense as Jesus Christ that's why he mentions that God is outside of space and time. Like in a prophetic sense.
@@YAHOOISNOTG The person God is sending in Isaiah 48:16 is Cyrus. That's who Isaiah is speaking about in the chapter. God is saying he foretold it, and then Isaiah prophetically has Cyrus saying that God has now sent him and anointed him with his Spirit to do what he was sent to do.
I think the trinity was created without using scripture. Maybe they didn't understand Greek and Hebrew. Studying scripture precept upon precept, line upon line wasn't used. Isaiah 28:10, "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:" God has one personality. I am a person because God has a personality and was created in His image to know Him personally.
One of five prayer given to the children at Fatima: “O Most Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, I adore Thee profoundly. I offer Thee the most precious Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ present in all the tabernacles of the world, in reparation for the outrages, sacrileges and indifferences by which He is offended. By the infinite merits of the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary I beg the conversion of poor sinners.”
The claim that "trinity, 3 or triune" is not mentioned in the passage is purely strawman. Trinitarian doctrine never makes claims that scripture specifically pin points the plurality, but the plurality of persons is clear as day in scripture. You don't even spend much time exegeting the passage itself, you go into church history consensus and a ontological discourse. Also your argument on John 1 was another strawman, Trinitarian doctrine is very specific on the biblical evidence of plurality in persons sharing one divinity. The triune God is the true and living God. Scripture consistently teaches that there are three persons in the Godhead (Matt. 28:19; 2 Cor. 13:14). The Father is God (Isa. 63:16; Luke 11:2; John 4:23). The Son is God (John 1:1; Rom. 9:5; Col. 1:15-16; Heb. 1:3). The Holy Spirit is also God (Acts 5:3-4). The three persons of the Godhead are not three gods but three persons subsisting in the one God.
One God The Greek word Kai is translated as and, it is also Even or that is. The word And does not mean another person. Matt 28:19 says NAME singular which is Jesus. All you have to do is read through acts and notice when they mentioned baptism. Jesus is considered the Lamb of God, the King of Kings, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the High Priest. And you believe that, but you don’t believe that One God can be all of that and more. Isaiah 44:6-8 KJVS [6] Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. [7] And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them. [8] Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it ? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. Revelation 1:7-8 KJVS [7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. [8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. There can’t be two first and last. Isaiah 9:6 KJVS [6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Why is Jesus called / Identified as the Mighty God, and the everlasting Father? 1 Timothy 3:16 KJVS [16] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. God put on flesh, and became as a man. Colossians 2:8-9 KJVS [8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. [9] For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Jude 1:25 KJVS [25] To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen. All that God is resides in the Body of Jesus. Acts 20:28 (NKJV) 28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. God is Spirit. How does a Spirit have blood? There is no remission of sin without the shedding of blood. So God produced a human body to be sacrificed for the payment of sin for all. Well over 300 times the singular pronoun is used when speaking of God. The Greek Τριάδα is translated trinity. Not once is it used by the Apostles, nor of the OT writers. The OT is clear that ONE God was taught, then after the Apostles died He changed His mind? Mark 12:29 KJVS And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Zechariah 14:9 (NKJV) 9 And the LORD shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be- “The LORD is one,” And His name one. John 20:26-28 (KJV) 26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Ruach (Spirit) in Isaiah 48:16 is the Hebrew word used in scripture for the "breath of God". Not physical, but an essence-God's essence that sustains life. It's sometimes also translated as Spirit of God, such as in Genesis chapter 1. Jesus is the "word" of God...., do you see a connection? Breath and word... when the "word of God" was "made flesh" God became manifest (clearly seen) in Jesus. The Spirit or breath of God is clearly distinct like the word of God is. The Word of God, and The Breath of God both have “personhood”. The Bible also says 1 Corinthians 2:10 for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. Meaning The Holy Spirit searches the deep mysteries/secrets of God. The Holy Spirit has MANY distinct attributes of personhood just like The Word of God does. I believe God is all three distinct yet in perfect agreement. There’s places where Jesus specifically says The Father…., and at times says God. Look at 1 Corinthians 15:24 it says Then cometh the end, when he shall deliver up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. How is this verse to be interpreted? If The Father is God all by himself wouldn’t this be worded differently…. (I know… in different versions it is, but the KJV is “The Bible” in my personal opinion). Note: I’m still learning… please be nice 🙏🏻
The very fact that The Messiah ( God's anointed Son) is saying here "GOD and His Spirit has SENT me" is confirmation, not of a 'trinity' of three equel entities, but of a SUBORDINATE Son who was ANOINTED BY the Father ( at his baptism Matt 3:16,17) At which time GOD poured HIS Spirit on Jesus, without which he was powerless! As Jesus confessed "I do NOTHING of mine own" ( John 5:19 ) Amen! No 'trinity here!
This sounds like you are making the physical body of Jesus into a divine person. Which the flesh of Jesus was only a flesh suit with a human soul that hosted the fullness of God. Which is why he prayed many times to "the father" because it was God that dwelled in him that conceived him.
The flesh part of Jesus is not who I worship, I worship Jesus "the God that dwelled in him". God himself experienced everything the flesh of Jesus went through, and he rewarded the flesh/human soul of Jesus for submitting to God's will. God is called Jesus.
@@brandonsheffield9873 Sorry but I think thats wrong! just a view that not scriptural to fit in with the 'trinity' concept'! your statment Jesus had a fleshly suit' doesnt agree with the fact that Jesus "poured out his very SOUL unto death|"! Isa 53:12! (There the word 'Nephesh' is used, not just 'life' but his veri BEING' died for us as an exact 'ransom' for our sins. "The first Adam was out of dust the SECOND adam became a life giving Spirit" ( 1 Cor 15:45) Thus Jesus said "The Son of man, not to be ministered to but to minister and to give his SOUL as a RANSOM in exchage for many" ( Matt 20:28). Look, Adam didnt only lose a 'bodily suit' he lost is 'Soul' his life'. Thus Jesus laid down his perfect life in exchange for Adam who "became a living SOUL when God created him! ( see Gen 2:7 original hebew 'Nephesh' = 'soul') Thus John staes the "Word BECAME flesh" (John 1:14). John di NOT say 'the Word PUT ON flesh" did he?
@@brandonsheffield9873 'God is calledJesus'? Think you are clearly mistaken my friend! Jesus is the SON of his FATHER, who is Almighty God! Look when ACCUSED of "making himself God" what did Jesus reply? please read John 10:33-36. There, did Jesus reply 'yes you are right! I am God'? No he didnt! he stated clearly "I AM GOD' SON". I believe the actual words of Jesus and not the doctrines of men! Jesus NOT once called himself 'God' but many, many times 'the SON o f God' ( John 3:16,17)
Hebrews 1:8-12 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
Isaiah 48:16 is Jesus saying that now the Lord GOD and his Spirit hath sent me. This is the Son, Father, and Holy Spirit (three distinct divine persons) all in the same verse. So it’s actually three Spirits here. 1 John 5:7 shows that these three Spirits at the same time are one Spirit :-)
" There is one body and one Spirit just as you were called in one hope of your calling. One Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all is above all, through all and in you all. " Ephesians 4:4-6 What part of one don't you understand ? Trinitarians will defend that man made heretical belief out of Rome, many until they die. None are as blind as those that cannot see. 1st. John 5:7 confirms the absolute oneness of God not a trinity of three anything.
@@markgupton1313 I believe scripture teaches in both absolute oneness and absolute threeness. One scripture that neither Oneness nor Trinitarians understand is John 17:3. The Father alone is the only true God. Jesus is clearly distinct from the only true God in John 17:3. Yet Jesus himself is the only true God. John 1:1 is a blatant contradiction under the confirmed Jewish Monotheism of the Old Testament. John 17:3 in light of John 1:1 is a contradiction as well. But these are true contradictions that should be believed because it's plain Bible statements.
@@ProjectCould - if you have seen Jesus, you have seen the Father. John 1:18 and Hebrews 1:3 brings John 1:1 and John 17:3 together. Jesus is the image of the invisible God. God manifest in the flesh in the life of a genuine human without God not continuing to be God
Lol the text is clear Isaiah 48:16 [16]Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me. Luke 1:35 [35]And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. Matthew 1:18 [18]Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. John 6:39 [39]And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
"Let us see here" is me saying, let's you and I see here. I do not refer to myself in the third person. That makes for a funny episode of Seinfeld tho. I will stick to the historical teaching of the Bible.
Nope. Let us see can and often is spoken by someone speaking to themselves. And since the trinity is definitely not the historical teaching of the Bible, welcome!
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa I don't think God was saying "let us" the same we we say "let's see." God was talking to the divine council at Creation. The heavenly host. Also, sometimes words are plural in Hebrew even though they denote something singular. Like, the word for "life" in Hebrew is plural.
I always want to come and give the utmost respect to you in these comments, I hope nothing I say ever comes out mean or in anything other than love. A few thoughts: I don't think it is good to use an early Jewish interpretation of scripture to interpret your stance on this passage. Jesus was not crucified for being a blasphemer because he claimed to be the Messiah or the Servant that Isaiah mentions, that was all fine (or at least not worthy of death on the cross), He was crucified for claiming to be God incarnate. Of course the Jews didn't see the trinity here, they didn't understand who the Messiah is. I would also like to bring in the early church father Origen (who didn't have perfect theology but could trace the roots of his beliefs back very early) He comments on this passage the following: "Did the Father and the Holy Spirit send Jesus, or did the Father send both Christ and the Spirit? The latter is correct. For, because the Savior was sent, afterwards the Holy Spirit was sent also, that the prediction of the prophet might be fulfilled" Elliott, M. W., ed. (2007). Isaiah 40-66 (p. 104). InterVarsity Press. The "Person" speaking here is the Servant, the Servant is Jesus and God sent the Spirit and Jesus. The context of Isaiah supports this greatly and there is a mountain of academic commentaries that would back this up.
The early church Fathers were the apostles not philosophers and theologians later. Paul warned of Scripture being twisted by men such as these. Trinitarianism is a teaching out of Rome not Jerusalem.
I don't think I need the quote from Origen to make the point but I used him because Steve frequently brings up the idea that there was no doctrine of the trinity early and I don't think the record of history reflects that.
@@jasonjett2127 - Steve is not necessarily a modalist. Also, Origen said he was in the minority and what he was arguing against was the majority. Are you saying that the modern articulation of the trinity did not exist at the time of origen?
1st Timothy 3:16 Great IS the mystery of Godliness..Paul says it is a mystery,, God knows we are but dust, Oneness ,Trinity God is mercy, and knows we make mistakes..Both groups can read Isaiah 48:16 and see 2 different things..I believe oneness in that 1 is on the throne.but I don't want to be right and they that believe in the trinity go to hell..Like our Father i would and pray that none would perish...David couldn't build the temple but God said he did well that it was in his heart..There's no a b earth matter that only God knows and ill trust Gid and His merciful judgment to judge..He would that none perish too..
Nothing there to accept except heresy. Take all your descriptions of and words added to Scripture to describe a triune God and give chapter and verse. Let me save you some time, there are none.
Because he’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing***** Wolves in sheep’s clothing scatter and divide congregations of God’s people with their deceit and lack of Biblical foundations. In Jeremiah 23:1,
Jehovah Witnesses a Complicated History (Facebook Admin) Research I use the 1984 NWT but with the 1966 Doubleday Jerusalem Bible and Douay as my Foundation as the (KJV) I use the NIV Zondervan 1984 as the Direct Comparison
One of five prayer given to the 3 children at Fatima: “O Most Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, I adore Thee profoundly. I offer Thee the most precious Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ present in all the tabernacles of the world, in reparation for the outrages, sacrileges and indifferences by which He is offended. By the infinite merits of the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary I beg the conversion of poor sinners.” ****** and your telling me there's no Trinity ****
ISN'T WATER BAPTISM AND SPEAKING IN TONGUES BORDERING ON WORKS SALVATION? AS DO CALVINIST DO? I HAVE DONE BOTH...BUT THINK ACCEPTING JESUS IS A SPIRITUAL ACT OF FAITH ALONE AS EPHESIANS 2. 8--10 CLEARLY INSISTS.
The first command in Acts 2:38 is REPENTANCE (not a work) “Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” Acts 2:38 KJV
Jew did not call anything trinity because they were not latins or greeks. The name they had for the phenomenon in passages where God talks about God in the third person, where God talks to God or where God is physically in two different locations at the same time, is Two Powers theology or the second God. Also there is no plural of majesty in the hebrew language.
How do you get trinity out of 2 powers? I’ve done vids on the 2 powers doctrine. Seems to have been a small minority who believed it. I’ve read Moreys refutation of the pluralis majesticulus and Gesenius. Of course there is a royal we, or even a let’s see, which we all use, which is let us see, but speaking of a singular person.
When God telescopes or extends Himself into the material realm, what men experiences of that dominion is God. There are not multiple Persons required for God to act @@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa
The first three verses of the Bible prove the Trinity… Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God Genesis 1:2 And the Spirit hovered over the deep Genesis 1:3 And God said Clearly describing the Holy Trinity.
Sa we read the Bible, what the Bible says is quite clear, I can tell you and you can find out for yourself, what is god like, what kind of god is he, how is he and himself, these questions we can answer because god has given the answers, questions that begin with how, none of us can answer, how can god be everywhere all the time, in the totality of his being we can’t answer that, how can god know all things as they really are all the time without learning them, how can he be just and love just and good how, how can he be three and yet one we can’t answer any of these questions because we are just ordinary creatures our minds are very limited and we are sinful creatures, and our minds are very clouded, there is no question beginning with how that we can answer because we are not god and all we can do there is bow our knees before god acknowledge the mystery and admit that he is god and we his creatures faced with the sacred pages questions that begin with what arise questions that with gratitude we can answer what is god what kind of god is he, these inquiries divine gifts have read the answers for god chose to reveal himself to us
Rapture is in the Bible. 1 Thessalonians 4:17, translated "caught up.". The Latin translation of this verse used the word rapturo. The Greek word it translates is harpazo, which means to snatch or take away. Titus 1:11 (KJV) 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. The meaning of FILTHY LUCRE is shameful gain, ill gotten money.
No Paraclete is inside Jesus, only the Father is inside Jesus to help Him. This means that the HOLY SPIRIT INSIDE JESUS IS THE FATHER - who is a spirit ("God is a spirit")- and that NO THIRD DIVINE PERSON EXISTS, (the Paraclete is not the Holy Spirit). Further, Jesus is helped when going into the desert, this means JESUS IS NOT OMNIPOTENT. Jesus cannot be "temporarily" not omnipotent just during his life on earth because Jesus is God and according to the Trinity doctrine God does not change. Thus, the Trinity doctrine is false because A. no third divine person exists and B. Jesus is God but He is NOT omnipotent.
O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one. But how Christians think about it.👇 O Israel:, The Lord is United (Father, Son and Holy Spirit 3 but 1) In short concept of God in Christianity Father is Jesus Holy Spirit is Jesus Jesus is Jesus Faith in Christianity: The belief that GOD sacrificed GOD to GOD to save GOD'S creations from GOD. It means Jesus sacrificed Jesus to Jesus to save Jesus's creations from Jesus. Seriously???
So who else was God going to sacrifice? you? lol. the overall theme of Christianity is self sacrifice as the highest good but i think that was certainly lost on you.
One God The Greek word Kai is translated as and, it is also Even or that is. The word And does not mean another person. Matt 28:19 says NAME singular which is Jesus. All you have to do is read through acts and notice when they mentioned baptism. Jesus is considered the Lamb of God, the King of Kings, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the High Priest. And you believe that, but you don’t believe that One God can be all of that and more. Isaiah 44:6-8 KJVS [6] Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. [7] And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them. [8] Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it ? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. Revelation 1:7-8 KJVS [7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. [8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. There can’t be two first and last. Isaiah 9:6 KJVS [6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Why is Jesus called / Identified as the Mighty God, and the everlasting Father? 1 Timothy 3:16 KJVS [16] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. God put on flesh, and became as a man. Colossians 2:8-9 KJVS [8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. [9] For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Jude 1:25 KJVS [25] To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen. All that God is resides in the Body of Jesus. Acts 20:28 (NKJV) 28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. God is Spirit. How does a Spirit have blood? There is no remission of sin without the shedding of blood. So God produced a human body to be sacrificed for the payment of sin for all. Well over 300 times the singular pronoun is used when speaking of God. The Greek Τριάδα is translated trinity. Not once is it used by the Apostles, nor of the OT writers. The OT is clear that ONE God was taught, then after the Apostles died He changed His mind? Mark 12:29 KJVS And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Zechariah 14:9 (NKJV) 9 And the LORD shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be- “The LORD is one,” And His name one. John 20:26-28 (KJV) 26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Pastor you get a lot right, but this you get wrong. God is triune, Three Persons and One Essence. The Father, the Son, and the Spirit are distinct Persons. Disappointing. 😢
New life of Albany, you aren't a Christian, never mind a New Testament Christian. The Bible says those who deny the Father AND the Son as (Two distinct persons in the ONE God), are unsaved antichrist's, and that's a Biblical fact. You have to twist Isaiah 48: 16. To get your erroneous beliefs, And you have done. You Oneness people make things up, things that oppose the Bible. The Hebrew clearly shows the trinity, Moses and Isaiah knew and mentioned the trinity, as God revealed it to them to write down as an eternal witness to the plurality of persons in the ONE God. The Apostles knew and taught the trinity, but because you are blinded by the spirit of antichrist that's in you, you can't see it.
@@ralphowen3367 it's you unsaved antichrist's that misquote Isaiah 48: 16, because it mentions Two of the Three persons in the ONE God. The spirit of antichrist that's in you has blinded you from seeing the Biblical truths.
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Awesome points, I appreciate your work. God bless you.
“There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.”
Ephesians 4:4-6 KJV
Thanks for sharing!!
One of five prayer given to the children at Fatima: “O Most Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, I adore Thee profoundly. I offer Thee the most precious Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ present in all the tabernacles of the world, in reparation for the outrages, sacrileges and indifferences by which He is offended. By the infinite merits of the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary I beg the conversion of poor sinners.”
So, Trinitarians take this passage as referring to the Trinity: one Spirit, one Lord (Jesus Christ), and one Father. I'm not endorsing that though. But we do need to understand that there are distinctions to be made. But not between divine persons, it's kind of like how my spirit is distinct from my body, but I'm one person. God is a divine being/person with his own Spirit, the eternal Spirit, while we have created spirits. And the one Lord Jesus Christ refers to God's Son, the child born of Mary, whom God raised up and exalted. God exalted a person, not a nature, and the person he exalted was Jesus of Nazareth.
1 John 5:7 KJV
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”
The three are one,they are not 3 different "persons"Jesus is one with the Father the spirit is the spirit of Christ the spirit proceeds from the father ,the spirit is the word(s) Jesus spoke and the life , God is spirit .im not a oneness pentecostal but I dont promote "trinity "as the " 3 persons" idea is not in scripture.Jesus is one person not three , in him dwells the fullness of the God head in bodily form .
@@Christdiedforoursins1Corinthia The Greek reading of John 1:1
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and God was the word.
How did God create? He spoke his word.
That's an added verse, please stop quoting it as it's not Scripture.
@@gimel77 John 1:1 is in the KJV… and it’s not scripture
@@Jonathan_Gen15.6 What??
Couldn't agree with you more... learning a lot from your videos... thanks a lot ❤
Happy to hear that!
Hi Steve!
Glenn from Australia here
What I found interesting is the quick reference you made to Jesus sharing the glory of God. This is actually expressed in Ezekiel 1. What I find most interesting is that most Jewish orthodox scholars and rabbis won't even comment on verses 26-27, saying it is forbidden and dangerous to talk about it, and only for private reflection. Why is that? Well, in verse 1, Ezekiel describes having seen "visions of God".
1 Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the river of Chebar, that the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God.
So, these visions are of the God they worship.
Yet, in verses 26-27 it says,
26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man above upon it.
27 And I saw as the colour of amber, as the appearance of fire round about within it, from the appearance of his loins even upward, and from the appearance of his loins even downward, I saw as it were the appearance of fire, and it had brightness round about.
28 As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. And when I saw it, I fell upon my face, and I heard a voice of one that spake.
Notice it talks about the appearance of a throne above the firmament and upon that throne was the appearance of a man (Jesus). Yet this was a vision of God!!
This is confirmed in chapter 3:22-23, when he says he saw the glory of the LORD (Jehovah) as he did at the river Chebar:
22 And the hand of the LORD was there upon me; and he said unto me, Arise, go forth into the plain, and I will there talk with thee.
23 Then I arose, and went forth into the plain: and, behold, the glory of the LORD stood there, as the glory which I saw by the river of Chebar: and I fell on my face.
The glory of the LORD "stood there". He had legs and feet..
This is referred to similarly at times by Ezekiel, like in chapter 10:15, 20-22, and chapter 43:3.
The orthodox Jewish scholars won't touch this though and claim that it is due to verse 27 of chapter 1, including a description of His loins (which points to the purity and absolute holiness of Jesus), but also because it would align with the visions of Jesus that John saw in Revelation, thus confirming that Jesus is in fact Jehovah in the flesh!
Amen!
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa I'll share with you something else I came across in 1 Peter 1:11 (interesting the numbers used there...)
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
The Spirit of Christ was in the prophets of old! One Spirit!
@@glennomac7499 Amen!
So glad you are here with is today at 10sec. Thank the Lord, glad to be here with you too.
Thanks for coming
God loves trins enough to undeceive them before it is too late.
48:16 was the Word speaking with the Father and the Spirit. No plural Persons are involved here. Good explanation.
The messenger sent in Isaiah 48:16 is Cyrus. God said "I have called him" (verse 15) and then Isaiah prophetically has Cyrus saying "and now God has sent me."
@@gimel77 I will review that verse, and thanks.
@@ralphowen3367 makes no sense , God hasn't got an Audience in His Head . Proverbs 30:4 , prophet sees The Father and Son with Equal Power and Dominion , Sharing Glory . Hebrews 1 God calls Jesus God , so who is This guy to say There is no Trinity . Revelations 1; 8 Upwards , Jesus calls Himself The First and The Last . Is That not God's Name in Torah , Who does Jesus Think He Is ? Further it reads John fell down when He Saw Jesus , That's in Submission and Bowing To Greatness . No Angel accepts Worship , actually says don't worship me ? Who does John think Jesus is ? Jesus further on again says I am the alpha and the Omega , Again repeating God's Name as His ? Which creature can call Himself by The Name of God . Isaiah 9:6 , unto us a Child is Born , a Son Given , The Government will be upon His Shoulders , He will be Called , Wonderfully , councillor ...( Mighty God ).... ( Eternal Father ) What ? Sounds Like John 1 Says The Word of God is Seperate From God , but 1 With The Father . Genesis says for that reason , a man will leave His Parents and Marry His Wife , and they shall become ( 1 achad )Jewish meaning , meaning 1 Combined . Not 1 in singular form . Again , Now Listen Isreal , the Lord your God , is ( 1 Echad ) Jewish Word for one combined , not a singular 1 , there is many more , this guy deletes my messages because he can't answered me . There is a Jewish book of ancient , called 2 Powers in Heaven , So many Old Rabbis , believed there where more than 1 power in Heaven . Don't be blinded by this guy , his led by the wrong spirit sadly . Philippians 2 : 6-11 , Jesus found it not Robbery to make Himself equal to God . Only Reason God the Father is Jesus God , is Because He Took on Flesh as a Law to take our place , rule , Blood had to be shed . He Gave His . Acts 20:28 Purchased By God's Blood , Does The Father have Blood ? No , Does The Spirit Have Blood ? No , So Then Jesus is Actually The God Who's Blood Was purchased on our behalf .
I am not Steve, but I have always seen it as the word of God speaking.
Good job Steve.
One of five prayer given to the children at Fatima: “O Most Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, I adore Thee profoundly. I offer Thee the most precious Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ present in all the tabernacles of the world, in reparation for the outrages, sacrileges and indifferences by which He is offended. By the infinite merits of the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary I beg the conversion of poor sinners.”
The “pluralis majestatis” is a late 12th century expression. To assume that (Isa. 48:16) was written with the “plural of majesty” in view is merely an inference on the text and bad hermeneutical interpretation. The grammar is strong in this text, and the distinction between subjects (Lord God, and His Spirit, has sent Me) is clear. The context and grammar used substantially shows a tri-unity of (Lord God, The Holy Spirit, and the one sent).
The person God sent in Isaiah 48 is Cyrus. That's who God is speaking about and how he would judge Babylon. So YHWH is saying that he foretold it, and then the prophet prophetically has Cyrus speaking, that now sovereign YHWH has sent me and his Spirit, or that God has anointed me to do what he has sent me to do.
Pastor Steve, I'm not understanding what you are saying so perhaps you could approach it from a different angel. My specific question is who do you say is the "Me" in Isa 48:16 ( "... the Lord God and His Spirit have sent Me." )?
Sounds like you're saying "Me" is either: a. an ancient literary construct or method that we don't understand; or b. God is speaking of Himself in the third person as royalty does. Is this correct or what am I missing?
Got it
I think he is saying that God is talking in future tense as Jesus Christ that's why he mentions that God is outside of space and time. Like in a prophetic sense.
@@YAHOOISNOTG The person God is sending in Isaiah 48:16 is Cyrus. That's who Isaiah is speaking about in the chapter. God is saying he foretold it, and then Isaiah prophetically has Cyrus saying that God has now sent him and anointed him with his Spirit to do what he was sent to do.
@@gimel77yup Isaiah 45
I think the trinity was created without using scripture. Maybe they didn't understand Greek and Hebrew. Studying scripture precept upon precept, line upon line wasn't used.
Isaiah 28:10, "For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:"
God has one personality. I am a person because God has a personality and was created in His image to know Him personally.
One of five prayer given to the children at Fatima: “O Most Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, I adore Thee profoundly. I offer Thee the most precious Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ present in all the tabernacles of the world, in reparation for the outrages, sacrileges and indifferences by which He is offended. By the infinite merits of the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary I beg the conversion of poor sinners.”
God has Three Persons, Father, Son and Spirit.
The claim that "trinity, 3 or triune" is not mentioned in the passage is purely strawman. Trinitarian doctrine never makes claims that scripture specifically pin points the plurality, but the plurality of persons is clear as day in scripture. You don't even spend much time exegeting the passage itself, you go into church history consensus and a ontological discourse. Also your argument on John 1 was another strawman, Trinitarian doctrine is very specific on the biblical evidence of plurality in persons sharing one divinity.
The triune God is the true and living God. Scripture consistently teaches that there are three persons in the Godhead (Matt. 28:19; 2 Cor. 13:14). The Father is God (Isa. 63:16; Luke 11:2; John 4:23). The Son is God (John 1:1; Rom. 9:5; Col. 1:15-16; Heb. 1:3). The Holy Spirit is also God (Acts 5:3-4). The three persons of the Godhead are not three gods but three persons subsisting in the one God.
Not in the least my friend. Please see the dozens of videos in answering trinitarians toughest questions playlist for further proof.
One God
The Greek word Kai is translated as and, it is also Even or that is. The word And does not mean another person. Matt 28:19 says NAME singular which is Jesus. All you have to do is read through acts and notice when they mentioned baptism. Jesus is considered the Lamb of God, the King of Kings, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the High Priest. And you believe that, but you don’t believe that One God can be all of that and more.
Isaiah 44:6-8 KJVS
[6] Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. [7] And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them. [8] Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it ? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Revelation 1:7-8 KJVS
[7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. [8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
There can’t be two first and last.
Isaiah 9:6 KJVS
[6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Why is Jesus called / Identified as the Mighty God, and the everlasting Father?
1 Timothy 3:16 KJVS
[16] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
God put on flesh, and became as a man.
Colossians 2:8-9 KJVS
[8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. [9] For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Jude 1:25 KJVS
[25] To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
All that God is resides in the Body of Jesus.
Acts 20:28 (NKJV) 28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
God is Spirit. How does a Spirit have blood? There is no remission of sin without the shedding of blood.
So God produced a human body to be sacrificed for the payment of sin for all.
Well over 300 times the singular pronoun is used when speaking of God. The Greek Τριάδα is translated trinity. Not once is it used by the Apostles, nor of the OT writers. The OT is clear that ONE God was taught, then after the Apostles died He changed His mind?
Mark 12:29 KJVS
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Zechariah 14:9 (NKJV) 9 And the LORD shall be King over all the earth.
In that day it shall be-
“The LORD is one,” And His name one.
John 20:26-28 (KJV) 26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Ruach (Spirit) in Isaiah
48:16 is the Hebrew word used in scripture for the "breath of God".
Not physical, but an essence-God's essence that sustains life. It's sometimes also translated as Spirit of God, such as in Genesis chapter 1. Jesus is the
"word" of God...., do you see a connection? Breath and word...
when the "word of God" was "made flesh" God became manifest (clearly seen) in Jesus. The Spirit or breath of God is clearly distinct like the word of God is. The Word of God, and The Breath of God both have “personhood”. The Bible also says 1 Corinthians 2:10 for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. Meaning The Holy Spirit searches the deep mysteries/secrets of God. The Holy Spirit has MANY distinct attributes of personhood just like The Word of God does.
I believe God is all three distinct yet in perfect agreement. There’s places where Jesus specifically says The Father…., and at times says God. Look at 1 Corinthians 15:24 it says Then cometh the end, when he shall deliver up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. How is this verse to be interpreted? If The Father is God all by himself wouldn’t this be worded differently…. (I know… in different versions it is, but the KJV is “The Bible” in my personal opinion).
Note: I’m still learning… please be nice 🙏🏻
The very fact that The Messiah ( God's anointed Son) is saying here "GOD and His Spirit has SENT me" is confirmation, not of a 'trinity' of three equel entities, but of a SUBORDINATE Son who was ANOINTED BY the Father ( at his baptism Matt 3:16,17) At which time GOD poured HIS Spirit on Jesus, without which he was powerless! As Jesus confessed "I do NOTHING of mine own" ( John 5:19 ) Amen! No 'trinity here!
The person God sent in Isaiah 48 is Cyrus.
This sounds like you are making the physical body of Jesus into a divine person. Which the flesh of Jesus was only a flesh suit with a human soul that hosted the fullness of God. Which is why he prayed many times to "the father" because it was God that dwelled in him that conceived him.
The flesh part of Jesus is not who I worship, I worship Jesus "the God that dwelled in him". God himself experienced everything the flesh of Jesus went through, and he rewarded the flesh/human soul of Jesus for submitting to God's will. God is called Jesus.
@@brandonsheffield9873 Sorry but I think thats wrong! just a view that not scriptural to fit in with the 'trinity' concept'! your statment Jesus had a fleshly suit' doesnt agree with the fact that Jesus "poured out his very SOUL unto death|"! Isa 53:12! (There the word 'Nephesh' is used, not just 'life' but his veri BEING' died for us as an exact 'ransom' for our sins. "The first Adam was out of dust the SECOND adam became a life giving Spirit" ( 1 Cor 15:45) Thus Jesus said "The Son of man, not to be ministered to but to minister and to give his SOUL as a RANSOM in exchage for many" ( Matt 20:28). Look, Adam didnt only lose a 'bodily suit' he lost is 'Soul' his life'. Thus Jesus laid down his perfect life in exchange for Adam who "became a living SOUL when God created him! ( see Gen 2:7 original hebew 'Nephesh' = 'soul') Thus John staes the "Word BECAME flesh" (John 1:14). John di NOT say 'the Word PUT ON flesh" did he?
@@brandonsheffield9873 'God is calledJesus'? Think you are clearly mistaken my friend! Jesus is the SON of his FATHER, who is Almighty God! Look when ACCUSED of "making himself God" what did Jesus reply? please read John 10:33-36. There, did Jesus reply 'yes you are right! I am God'? No he didnt! he stated clearly "I AM GOD' SON". I believe the actual words of Jesus and not the doctrines of men! Jesus NOT once called himself 'God' but many, many times 'the SON o f God' ( John 3:16,17)
Hebrews 1:8-12 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
it was Elisabeth who first calls Mary the Mother of God first. Luke 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my (Lord) should come to me?
That is a bad interpretation of that verse.
Do you have a personal Facebook? Would like to connect with you and share my apostolic journey from trinity to oneness.
I don’t, but wonderful!
Please explain Isaiah 45:19 God was speaking.
It seems pretty straightforward to me.
Isaiah 48:16 is Jesus saying that now the Lord GOD and his Spirit hath sent me. This is the Son, Father, and Holy Spirit (three distinct divine persons) all in the same verse. So it’s actually three Spirits here. 1 John 5:7 shows that these three Spirits at the same time are one Spirit :-)
" There is one body and one Spirit just as you were called in one hope of your calling. One Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all is above all, through all and in you all. " Ephesians 4:4-6
What part of one don't you understand ? Trinitarians will defend that man made heretical belief out of Rome, many until they die. None are as blind as those that cannot see. 1st. John 5:7 confirms the absolute oneness of God not a trinity of three anything.
@@markgupton1313 I believe scripture teaches in both absolute oneness and absolute threeness. One scripture that neither Oneness nor Trinitarians understand is John 17:3. The Father alone is the only true God. Jesus is clearly distinct from the only true God in John 17:3. Yet Jesus himself is the only true God. John 1:1 is a blatant contradiction under the confirmed Jewish Monotheism of the Old Testament. John 17:3 in light of John 1:1 is a contradiction as well. But these are true contradictions that should be believed because it's plain Bible statements.
@@ProjectCould - if you have seen Jesus, you have seen the Father. John 1:18 and Hebrews 1:3 brings John 1:1 and John 17:3 together. Jesus is the image of the invisible God. God manifest in the flesh in the life of a genuine human without God not continuing to be God
@@juliandoyley2103 John 1:1 already teaches that Jesus is the Father and not the Father simultaneously.
@@ProjectCould - and the Word is God
Lol the text is clear Isaiah 48:16
[16]Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
Luke 1:35
[35]And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Matthew 1:18
[18]Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
John 6:39
[39]And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
"Let us see here" is me saying, let's you and I see here. I do not refer to myself in the third person. That makes for a funny episode of Seinfeld tho. I will stick to the historical teaching of the Bible.
Nope. Let us see can and often is spoken by someone speaking to themselves. And since the trinity is definitely not the historical teaching of the Bible, welcome!
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa I don't think God was saying "let us" the same we we say "let's see." God was talking to the divine council at Creation. The heavenly host.
Also, sometimes words are plural in Hebrew even though they denote something singular. Like, the word for "life" in Hebrew is plural.
I always want to come and give the utmost respect to you in these comments, I hope nothing I say ever comes out mean or in anything other than love.
A few thoughts:
I don't think it is good to use an early Jewish interpretation of scripture to interpret your stance on this passage. Jesus was not crucified for being a blasphemer because he claimed to be the Messiah or the Servant that Isaiah mentions, that was all fine (or at least not worthy of death on the cross), He was crucified for claiming to be God incarnate. Of course the Jews didn't see the trinity here, they didn't understand who the Messiah is.
I would also like to bring in the early church father Origen (who didn't have perfect theology but could trace the roots of his beliefs back very early) He comments on this passage the following:
"Did the Father and the Holy Spirit send Jesus, or did the Father send both Christ and the Spirit? The latter is correct. For, because the Savior was sent, afterwards the Holy Spirit was sent also, that the prediction of the prophet might be fulfilled"
Elliott, M. W., ed. (2007). Isaiah 40-66 (p. 104). InterVarsity Press.
The "Person" speaking here is the Servant, the Servant is Jesus and God sent the Spirit and Jesus. The context of Isaiah supports this greatly and there is a mountain of academic commentaries that would back this up.
The early church Fathers were the apostles not philosophers and theologians later. Paul warned of Scripture being twisted by men such as these. Trinitarianism is a teaching out of Rome not Jerusalem.
I don't think I need the quote from Origen to make the point but I used him because Steve frequently brings up the idea that there was no doctrine of the trinity early and I don't think the record of history reflects that.
@@jasonjett2127 - Origen is not considered a orthodox Trinitarian by today's standards
He isn't, but he certainly appears to have argued against modalism.
@@jasonjett2127 - Steve is not necessarily a modalist. Also, Origen said he was in the minority and what he was arguing against was the majority. Are you saying that the modern articulation of the trinity did not exist at the time of origen?
1st Timothy 3:16 Great IS the mystery of Godliness..Paul says it is a mystery,, God knows we are but dust, Oneness ,Trinity God is mercy, and knows we make mistakes..Both groups can read Isaiah 48:16 and see 2 different things..I believe oneness in that 1 is on the throne.but I don't want to be right and they that believe in the trinity go to hell..Like our Father i would and pray that none would perish...David couldn't build the temple but God said he did well that it was in his heart..There's no a b earth matter that only God knows and ill trust Gid and His merciful judgment to judge..He would that none perish too..
Me to!
Who spoke with Moses out of the fire in Exodus 3:4
That would be God the consuming fire.
Why did Mary the Mother of God give birth to Jesus if His not the second member of the Trinity
How is Mary the mother of God, when God existed before Mary?
@@hargisP2 good point 😂
@@hargisP2Mary was the mother of her Lord, but not the mother of God.
Why do you try so hard to get around the Trinity instead of accepting it?
Nothing there to accept except heresy. Take all your descriptions of and words added to Scripture to describe a triune God and give chapter and verse. Let me save you some time, there are none.
That’s hilarious. My grandfather used to say, If you have to constantly prove you’re right then you are probably not.
Fire Flames Why do you accept extra biblical man made words to prove a trinity?
Because he’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing***** Wolves in sheep’s clothing scatter and divide congregations of God’s people with their deceit and lack of Biblical foundations. In Jeremiah 23:1,
I certainly am not! What if you are? You put faith in non-Biblical things like visions, and non-Biblical words, not me !
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I use the 1984 NWT but with the 1966 Doubleday Jerusalem Bible and Douay as my Foundation as the (KJV)
I use the NIV Zondervan 1984 as the Direct Comparison
One of five prayer given to the 3 children at Fatima: “O Most Holy Trinity, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, I adore Thee profoundly. I offer Thee the most precious Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ present in all the tabernacles of the world, in reparation for the outrages, sacrileges and indifferences by which He is offended. By the infinite merits of the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary I beg the conversion of poor sinners.” ****** and your telling me there's no Trinity ****
We should trust Scripture more than extra-Biblical revelation. But you can believe whatever you like!
If this was a true vision given at Fatima, God was accommodating Himself--One Person-- to the Roman Catholic bias and orientation.
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prove to me that it is Isaiah speaking and not God in (Isaiah 48:16)
ISN'T WATER BAPTISM AND SPEAKING IN TONGUES BORDERING ON WORKS SALVATION? AS DO CALVINIST DO? I HAVE DONE BOTH...BUT THINK ACCEPTING JESUS IS A SPIRITUAL ACT OF FAITH ALONE AS EPHESIANS 2. 8--10 CLEARLY INSISTS.
Read Acts 2:38-41, 10:44-48. Obedience to God isn't a work of man.
The first command in Acts 2:38 is REPENTANCE (not a work)
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
Jew did not call anything trinity because they were not latins or greeks. The name they had for the phenomenon in passages where God talks about God in the third person, where God talks to God or where God is physically in two different locations at the same time, is Two Powers theology or the second God. Also there is no plural of majesty in the hebrew language.
How do you get trinity out of 2 powers? I’ve done vids on the 2 powers doctrine. Seems to have been a small minority who believed it.
I’ve read Moreys refutation of the pluralis majesticulus and Gesenius. Of course there is a royal we, or even a let’s see, which we all use, which is let us see, but speaking of a singular person.
When God telescopes or extends Himself into the material realm, what men experiences of that dominion is God. There are not multiple Persons required for God to act @@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa
The first three verses of the Bible prove the Trinity…
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God
Genesis 1:2 And the Spirit hovered over the deep
Genesis 1:3 And God said
Clearly describing the Holy Trinity.
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@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa First verse…God. Second verse…The Spirit. Third verse…God said, the Word, which is Jesus, the Word made flesh. It’s not that hard.
@@barryclevenger7456 God, The Spirit, The Son & The Word. Isn’t that 4 and not 3?
@@markpayne2217 No. Three verses, God the father, God the Holy Spirit and God spoke the Word, which is the Son.
@@barryclevenger7456 I don’t mean three verses
Jeremiah 23:1,
Wolves in sheep’s clothing scatter and divide congregations of God’s people with their deceit and lack of Biblical foundations. In Jeremiah 23:1,
I certainly agree with that!
Sa we read the Bible, what the Bible says is quite clear, I can tell you and you can find out for yourself, what is god like, what kind of god is he, how is he and himself, these questions we can answer because god has given the answers, questions that begin with how, none of us can answer, how can god be everywhere all the time, in the totality of his being we can’t answer that, how can god know all things as they really are all the time without learning them, how can he be just and love just and good how, how can he be three and yet one we can’t answer any of these questions because we are just ordinary creatures our minds are very limited and we are sinful creatures, and our minds are very clouded, there is no question beginning with how that we can answer because we are not god and all we can do there is bow our knees before god acknowledge the mystery and admit that he is god and we his creatures faced with the sacred pages questions that begin with what arise questions that with gratitude we can answer what is god what kind of god is he, these inquiries divine gifts have read the answers for god chose to reveal himself to us
God is a Spirit, and is spoken of in the singular He.
Just watched a few of your videos. The world isn’t heliocentric that is pretty obvious especially if you believe in the word.
You went way out in left field to bend the passage to your dogma. “Rapture” is not in the Bible, and “gambling” is not in the Bible.
Rapture is in the Bible. 1 Thessalonians 4:17, translated "caught up.". The Latin translation of this verse used the word rapturo. The Greek word it translates is harpazo, which means to snatch or take away.
Titus 1:11 (KJV) 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. The meaning of FILTHY LUCRE is shameful gain, ill gotten money.
@@hargisP2 I never said that I did not believe in the rapture of the saints, nor did I say that gambling was not a sin.
No Paraclete is inside Jesus, only the Father is inside Jesus to help Him. This means that the HOLY SPIRIT INSIDE JESUS IS THE FATHER - who is a spirit ("God is a spirit")- and that NO THIRD DIVINE PERSON EXISTS, (the Paraclete is not the Holy Spirit). Further, Jesus is helped when going into the desert, this means JESUS IS NOT OMNIPOTENT. Jesus cannot be "temporarily" not omnipotent just during his life on earth because Jesus is God and according to the Trinity doctrine God does not change. Thus, the Trinity doctrine is false because A. no third divine person exists and B. Jesus is God but He is NOT omnipotent.
O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one.
But how Christians think about it.👇
O Israel:, The Lord is United (Father, Son and Holy Spirit 3 but 1)
In short concept of God in Christianity
Father is Jesus
Holy Spirit is Jesus
Jesus is Jesus
Faith in Christianity:
The belief that GOD sacrificed GOD to GOD to save GOD'S creations from GOD.
It means
Jesus sacrificed Jesus to Jesus to save Jesus's creations from Jesus.
Seriously???
So who else was God going to sacrifice? you? lol. the overall theme of Christianity is self sacrifice as the highest good but i think that was certainly lost on you.
One God
The Greek word Kai is translated as and, it is also Even or that is. The word And does not mean another person. Matt 28:19 says NAME singular which is Jesus. All you have to do is read through acts and notice when they mentioned baptism. Jesus is considered the Lamb of God, the King of Kings, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the High Priest. And you believe that, but you don’t believe that One God can be all of that and more.
Isaiah 44:6-8 KJVS
[6] Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. [7] And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them shew unto them. [8] Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it ? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Revelation 1:7-8 KJVS
[7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. [8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
There can’t be two first and last.
Isaiah 9:6 KJVS
[6] For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Why is Jesus called / Identified as the Mighty God, and the everlasting Father?
1 Timothy 3:16 KJVS
[16] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
God put on flesh, and became as a man.
Colossians 2:8-9 KJVS
[8] Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. [9] For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Jude 1:25 KJVS
[25] To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
All that God is resides in the Body of Jesus.
Acts 20:28 (NKJV) 28 Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.
God is Spirit. How does a Spirit have blood? There is no remission of sin without the shedding of blood.
So God produced a human body to be sacrificed for the payment of sin for all.
Well over 300 times the singular pronoun is used when speaking of God. The Greek Τριάδα is translated trinity. Not once is it used by the Apostles, nor of the OT writers. The OT is clear that ONE God was taught, then after the Apostles died He changed His mind?
Mark 12:29 KJVS
And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Zechariah 14:9 (NKJV) 9 And the LORD shall be King over all the earth.
In that day it shall be-
“The LORD is one,” And His name one.
John 20:26-28 (KJV) 26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Pastor you get a lot right, but this you get wrong. God is triune, Three Persons and One Essence.
The Father, the Son, and the Spirit are distinct Persons.
Disappointing. 😢
Not in the least. I’ve made dozens of videos on the subject showing it’s just not so. I grew up trinitarian….
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa Do you believe Jesus is God though?
@@HeavyHeartsShow Yes of course.
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGa Would you also say that the Father and the Ghost are God? I am asking with sincerity.
@@NewLifeOfAlbanyGaSir?
New life of Albany, you aren't a Christian, never mind a New Testament Christian. The Bible says those who deny the Father AND the Son as (Two distinct persons in the ONE God), are unsaved antichrist's, and that's a Biblical fact.
You have to twist Isaiah 48: 16. To get your erroneous beliefs, And you have done.
You Oneness people make things up, things that oppose the Bible.
The Hebrew clearly shows the trinity, Moses and Isaiah knew and mentioned the trinity, as God revealed it to them to write down as an eternal witness to the plurality of persons in the ONE God.
The Apostles knew and taught the trinity, but because you are blinded by the spirit of antichrist that's in you, you can't see it.
You just misquoted that verse while inferring that two persons in the Godhead were involved.
@@ralphowen3367 it's you unsaved antichrist's that misquote Isaiah 48: 16, because it mentions Two of the Three persons in the ONE God.
The spirit of antichrist that's in you has blinded you from seeing the Biblical truths.
Hebrews 11 5 ... The Book of Luke with Melchizedek and Genesis with Enoch? That is what got me out of the Jehovah Witnesses and confused me
there is 1 LORD GOD en 1 lord mediator
all called 1 en its in timothy 2,5 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
of ALL LAWS the shema is the GREATEST LAW en also john 17,3
trinity is UNBIBLICAL