The Bosendorfer that was made in Indiana, USA
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ม.ค. 2020
- It is pretty common knowledge in the piano world that the renowned company Bosendorfer has been owned by several different companies in the past, and one of them is Kimball. I have heard of these Kimball Bosendorfers, but never seen one in the flesh. Until today. Many thanks to the owner of this piano for inviting me to his house and spending hours to film this video!
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I bought a Kimball / Bosendorfer 5’8” Kimball Viennese Edition in 1988 and did not realize what I was buying; but it was the one piano that sounded the best of every piano I had tried in every piano store I went into. Years later I found out it was due to their buying the Bosendorfer company and used their build technique! I have loved this piano all this many years and can't imagine playing another one. Love it with all my heart and soul! And mine is made from beautiful golden pecan wood in their "art case" with carved cabriole legs. It's Mine!
I also possess a 5'8" Kimbell w/ the Bosendorfer designed harp that sounds and plays absolutely splendid; however, I notice that mine does not have that small emblem above the Kimbell name. I am writing you to ask whether your piano lid is unusually heavy, b/c mine is much heavier than any grand I have used in the past. I'm wondering if the true Viennese Edition has such a heavy lid.
I played a 1936 Bluthner 9 footer 20 years ago...it was out of tune and hadn't been dusted forever...I sat down to her and played Sonata Pathatique and me and that piano had a good cry...Wish i had figured a way to care for her....Don't pass em up when you find em.
I have a restored Bösendorfer 195 from 1894, newly felted and refinished in 2017. Feel free to review it.. we live in Frankfurt am Main, Germany
I have a 5’8” Kimball Viennese Edition that I love. Model 5830 Serial #D92601; refurbished by Portland Piano Company. It also has the tone qualities in the treble and bass that make it, as my piano technician called it, “definitely not your average old Kimball” - he loved it.
I might be in Portland in a few weeks. If you would like me to review your piano send me a picture of it to my contact page listed in the discription of the video.
I had the great opportunity to play that Bach Prelude in C on a Bösendorfer Imperial at their Musikvereign showroom in Vienna. It changed my (sound) life. A dream...
My church (Eastminster Presbyterian of Indialantic, Florida) has a lovely 1990s Bozendorfer grand piano in our sanctuary. One of the best pianos I have ever heard or played, made better by a live room.
That mid-range is purely astonishing!
Makes Beautiful Music in That Space. Very Nice.
Wow this is actually one of the best sounding pianos I've heard
It was really nice for sure.
@@ThePianoforever Hello James. I have one of these serial #A64025 it's a 6700, they are wonderful piano's... You did an outstanding job explaining this incredible piano!
@@ThePianoforever James, I possess a black 5'8'' Kimbell with the Bosendorfer designed harp that sounds absolutely/plays splendid; however, mine does not have the small emblem above the Kimbell name. The only issue I have w/ my piano is the fact the lid is really heavy as compared to any other grand piano I have ever played. Did the Kimbell you experienced have such a heavy lid?
@@CLIFFYBPUBLISHING where did you find the serial # on yours. I also have a Kimbell 5'8" but I cant find the serial #.
Individual hitch pins are nice because if one string breaks, you still have two strings left for the note. On the other hand if it is one string around a hitch pin, like on this piano, if a string breaks you will only have one string left for a note.
Depends. It could leave only one string left for a single note, or it could leave two adjacent notes with only two strings each. That's not as bad, but it just depends on the break.
I have never had a string break in more than 50 years of owning my own pianos. Especially not on this one!
To me it has the charming warmth of a similar sized Bechstein. A piano that I enjoy the sound of very much. This pianos tone and warmth draws one in. It is a nice instrument. Thank you for playing. Good review.
I noticed 2 things:
1. This piano sounds much, much better when played piano than forte
2. I absolutely love the low basses and high trebles, they are buch better than high basses and low trebles. And the mid-range is somewhere in-between
The piano sounds rich and full.
Very nice sounding piano.
It really surprised me how good it sounded!
I have a Kimball same size but from the 30s... You are absolutely correct in describing them as an "average" piano. The action issues are the same on mine... Very inconsistent even after hrs of work. I love the European sound from this piano!
I learn a lot about pianos from these videos! Kimball has a very long and interesting history in the keyboard industry, including pipe organs! Thanks for another well thought out tour!
I'm always so impressed by how much knowledge you have hope you had a great time in North Carolina come back often
The Bach makes me feel at peace with the world and every note shines out crystal clear.....It moved me emotionally as really excellent pianos can do.
I would think it was less costly, as well. Ahhh Satie :)
Cheers,
Rik Spector
Kimball was always THE church piano, everywhere. Durable, relatively inexpensive, and dependable. This one has a beautiful, rich tone not expected in Kimballs in earlier days. Would never have guessed it was a Kimball.
The first Bosendorfer-design Kimballs were called Viennese Edition. Later, perhaps sometime in the 1980's, they were designated Viennese Classic.
I found another reviewer (piano dealer) who had one for sale. Their comment was that the Kimball Viennese pianos had excellent tone but generally came up short regarding action regulation; with some work they can be made to play quite well, yielding an instrument that performs far beyond its price point.
Listening to the sound of this example, I have to agree with you that the tone (especially bass) has the Bosendorfer character. But then, some other manufacturers are learning how to produce similar tone. I thought the Fazioli 308 that you played in your 3-way concert-grand comparison had quite a bit of the Bosendorfer bass tone, and I've noticed the same from my new Kawai GX-6 - a pleasant surprise to say the least!
By the way, your "test piece" is a truly beautiful melody and I look forward to hearing the finished version.
I'm a beginner, but I'm a huge Tori Amos fan. I could instantly tell in 3 notes.
Don't let bats fly around either. They pee when they fly over and whoa, the lid surprises them. It's a lot like the stealth radar sloping shape. Their sonar fails! Doesn't it get hot with that jacket on indoors? Another vintage M&H fan. How about the Starr (Indiana) with the rollers at the back of the keys? They were for easy glissandi. We rebuilt one for what is left of what was once the largest maker in the world in Richmond In. now in LA a refrigeration company. It might be a good review. Oh and any square grand, though not that they are great. You will have to show the pulled action, they're weird. We have one in storage because the museum in town didn't have room when they turned it into a B&B. On it Paul Dresser composed On the Banks of the Wabash. We have rebuilt 2 and a third is in the shop right now. Get in touch with me if interested in more info.
Kimball Vinnese models had Schwander actions.
Wonderful piano! I love Bösendorfer but this is a special one. Sounds great! Thank you for sharing.
I really liked it a lot too!
😁 you really did!
Treble Test Piece is beautiful!..Maybe you could call it "Jame's Journey" since you use that piece in your travels,to test the sound of rare and unusual pianos with..The Kimball Bosendorfer sounded amazing BTW!
LOVELY!
"Hey, what's a piece you really like?"
Oh, I like treble test piece a lot.
I love your improv piece!
Fantastic vid. So rich with pragmatic, functional and aesthetic info. Bomb. 🤘
amazing sound so warm and inviting.
Wonderful review James, kimball was beautiful ❤️
Great review, thanks
That's definitely one I've been looking for. I've seen them going for around 6K, but it's nice to know that it also need EXTENSIVE reworking and set up over the years. Not surprising the case is well-built, apparently Kimball was a furniture company that decided to get into the piano business.
For what it's worth, KIMBALL pianos used to be popular give-away prizes on TV shows like "The Price Is Right" and "Let's Make A Deal."
It further occurs to me that an individually hitched string HAS to be more stable... providing the pin block and pins are working like they should.
Actually Kimball started as a piano company in Chicago and didn't start making office furniture until the 90 because nobody was buying pianos
I have a 6'4 Vintage Chickering grand (over 100 years old).
Original case but refinished inside in 2003. Mahogony and real ivories(love the ivory keys).
We live in Pfafftown,NC.
I'm heading west for the 2020 NAMM show, but when I come back in about a month I wouldn't mind checking it out! Send me your contact info at this link!
aloveofmusic.com/Contact.html
Interesting and great review!
It definitely does have Bösendorfer sound, but the glassy sound would rather be something like Yamaha.
Wonderful video! I'm learniing a lot from your videos. Glad I subscribed. Huge thanks to the owner from me as well! :)
Thanks for playing the fugue of the Bach, and the French music sounded exquisite on it. How about using a few contrasting variations from the Goldberg Variations?
good job
I really enjoy your videos on pianos. My church in North Carolina recently acquired a 9’ Bosendorfer model 275. Bosendorfer doesn’t make the 275 model except by special order only. It is much rarer than the Imperial Grand Bosendorfer. This is a very rare piano with turned legs and has 92 keys rather than the standard 88. It has an amazing history. A tuner who retired as the piano technician at a major music school here in a North Carolina after 25 years, commented (on his own accord), that this is “a perfect piano.” Would love for you to see it, play it, and perhaps do a video on it.
David Luther , where is this church?
Melody's Theme, or maybe Jame's Theme, rolls off the tongue a bit easier than Treble Test Piece. Beautiful piano, btw.
Does anyone know the title of the older bach chorale james used to play?
I'm a church organist and I think that this peice would be very very nice to play during a communion session. I spent a long time looking for the "deck thyself, my soul with gladness" chorale and I would be happy and very thankful if someone could give me the title of the song and possibly sheet music. Thanks guys and keep up the good videos james👍
I grew up playing on a Kimball upright. The action had a very light touch, and it was a tad bit bright in the treble. They are definitely average, but solid instruments. Have you ever played a Petrof upright? I think they sound really fantastic.
I’m pretty sure that the Viennese Classic grands used Schwander actions.
Does this piano get tuned with a standard tuning tool?
Great review! I’m currently studying piano, and I’d like to know which part of the Bach Well Tempered Clavier is this? I’d like to learn it as my next piece.
Book 1, #1
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PS: short bass strings usually sound like mud. These actually have a pitch.
Does the upper registry take minimal effort and action?
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single hitching is a surprise, because, that means both strings will be equal tension, so how does one precision tune either of them?
There is lots of friction so they can be tuned individually.
George Winston touches his piano all the time.
There's a G in the treble whose volume is higher than the notes surrounding it. It's to the right of the name. Either that or my Denon headphones are resonant at that frequency
Can you post your “test piece” you play first on all the pianos? The sheet for it...Thanks!
I am honestly still working on it. I think it will one day it will be a full song.
Thanks! We don’t really need a song. Just the beautiful “vehicle” to compare sound like you.
I died when you stopped the Debussy. Why did you do cut off at that point? sob
I agree, the harp plate is Bosendorfer style but from your video it's quite evident it's not a good sandcast. The original Bosendorfer capo d'astro bar is usually unmountable, you can easily spot the screws, and I checked it's the same in the CS version (conservatory series, which is a little less refined to be cheaper). In this Kimball the capo d'astro bar is a unique sandcast mold with the rest of the harp plate. It's definitely a lower quality one, still nice and "bosendorferish", I'd be quite happy to own one anyway.
i.e. I own a Daewoo Sojin DG2, it's basically been projected (or maybe copied?) by Rud Ibach und Sohne, in fact it has a very good scale and it's an overall nice instrument, featuring an original Renner action, nice woods, but it's quite rough in many parts. It's not even comparable to an Ibach.
Any idea how many of these pianos were made?
If I have only found this one I would guess a rather small amount. I know they made more of the 5'8 size, but I believe few of the 6'7 size or 200 cm.
Some Chickerings (the ones I've seen are Uprights) have Individually Hitched Strings.
Just like epiphone instead of gibson, squier intead of fender or ltd instead of esp.
"Untitled Piano Test Piece" is my suggestion. Relevant and meta enough for modern times.
Edit: Also, what would be the result if you intentionally took a piano and rubbed your hands all over the strings?
I love the questions the internet has! It would be very bad for the strings, for sure. I don't know what the damage would actually be but it would definitely destroy the sound of the bass entirely.
@@ThePianoforever OK, I was thinking that some avant-garde composer could make a unique sound a la prepared piano. I might have been guilty of touching strings way back in uni...
DO NOT TOUCH THE BASS STRINGS!!!
Why
thanks for sharing - but i still would prefer a Mason Hamlin,,,