Nice demonstration my friend. I used a pump for my PCP ca 20 years ago. I struggled to get over 150 BAR in it. I think pumps are of better quality today and maybe easiyer to pump. Cheers
Most are a bit easier now but there are still some doozies being sold cheap. These days i use compressor too but keep a hand pump as back up if the world ends. 🧟♀️
Glad I could help. Hpa on the outside appears complex and more dangerous but there are many safeties built in. Reality is i think co2 is more dangerous as it can be unpredictable at times.
Make sure to bottom out the pump piston on both up stroke and downstroke. If you don't you lose 80% of efficiency, you are just bouncing piston on an air pocket.
Yes i did mention full complete strokes otherwise you are just wasting energy. Most of the actual compression is at the bottom 1” or so but not fully extending the stroke also just waste time as you are not grabbing enough air.
Wont catch me pumping a 68. I aint that spry anymore. 😂 I started with an oil less compressor that lasted a year. I have since moved onto a Yonger and it rips….13ci 45sec flat.
The ci (cubic inches) size 10 vs 13 vs 26 is the volume of air the bottle can hold store safely at 3000psi. Larger the bottle, the more shots. There are also 4500psi bottle which can store roughly 60% more shots in the same volume because the stored pressure is higher.
That's great, does this work for air powered airsoft guns instead of cans ?!? I'd like to find an alternative to buying 10€ cans.. . How many shots do you get out of that bottle ?
LOL i bought one of these for $50-60. They actually work. But the reality is, after pumping a few times, the juice will no longer be worth the squeeze. I'm 5'11 190 and I found it extremely hard to pump past 3000 psi for my 4500 hpa tanks. Like the byrna this hand pump served as a gateway to better things because now I just use electric. The hand pump can still serve as a back up in case you have no power.
Great analogy. I would definitely pass on hand pumping a 4500psi tank. Most of these hand pumps are only good to 3000 any how which i neglected to mention. Braver man then I.
LoL,. Yup! . I'm getting one of these, too. Any more than a 3 gage or higher . Good investment non the less. Another great video, brother. Don't die! We need ya around! lol 🇺🇲🤜💥🤛🇺🇲
i got same bottle know is yours 1000 psi out put got a new 3 stage pump the vevor ones are decent tbf i lubed all the seals an put plumers tape on threads no leaks so quite happy with it an pumps quick tbf compared to last cheap one way better quality
I'll stick to my compressor I have a pump but after using it a couple times I started looking at other options namely a compressor it's a good backup system for a power outage or if we go to war lol
Just learned a few things and was wondering if you have a special place you like to get valves I want something around the 2200psi out, I was looking at a 13ci tank then I saw this video and thought I like this way better, I want to couple this with my 2240 hpa build
Finding high pressure 1200+ output pcp regs are not that common state side. The only one that comes to mind is the Ninja Flex regulator, otherwise Aliexpress will have any pressure regulator under the moon including adjustable ones.
Hi Sean. Have you looked into the 9ci tanks from Grimburg and if so, do you know if they are easy to modify upwards from 850 psi? It looks like they are using a Ninja regulator. Also, as a single marker owner that is thinking about moving to an air tank, like the 9ci size, any opinions on using a hand pump vs. a cheap pcp air compressor? Thanks!
I have a few 9ci and 10ci tanks. Changing the output isnt difficult at all but you need the correct shims for that particular regulator being used. Approx 220 strokes to fill with a hand pump. Nothing wrong with hand pumping but if you encounter an issue, air empties fast and then you got to start over. 😢
@@lesslethalfordummies thanks Sean. Most appreciated. I don’t have the interest or desire to pick up one of those Yong Heng compressors and I am fearful that the smaller compressors will crap out. Whereas the hand pump has less parts and in the end, I would only be filling a 9ci tank.
@ChrisC-cb6rz if you reach out to Grimburg they may be able to adjust the output pressure for your purchase. Never hurts to ask. I understand not needing a compressor, but even a good hand pump can be more than half the cost of a compressor.
@@lesslethalfordummies as always….awesome advice. The order had already been processed for shipment. Once it arrives, I will take a closer look at the actual regulator (the rep did not know which Ninja regulator is attached). The point I intended to make about the cheap compressor vs. hand pump was more about which one would last longer, not the price. You are right about hand pumps….some of them are definitely pricy. My thought process is to invest in a decent quality hand pump vs throwing money at a compressor that may or may not last.
@@ChrisC-cb6rzyou will have to check whats inside the regulator when it arrives. Ninja either uses a spring or bellevue washers. The inexpensive oilless compressors do work well for limited use and may not be a bad option for your frequency of usage. I would suggest one from Amazon Prime that can be returned easily should it be a dud. If you choose a hand pump look for minimum 3 stage pump.
Have you had any issues with the foster fitting not locking up on the full nipple? I’m having this issue on my pepperball 13 ci and first strike 10 ci hpa bottles but the foster fitting secures with the fill nipple on my ninja hpa tank.
On my newest FS regulator that has an external hex drive nipple…yes the QD bottoms out on the hex before locking. Most annoying if you ask me. It’s easy enough to swap to a different nipple but a hassle and small expense none the less. The FS nipple in this video was the old internal allen key style and i never had a problem. They ceased production of these because apparently if you torqued them too tight the allen drive breaks, fractures the nipple and makes them damn near impossible to remove at that point.
@Less Lethal for Dummies thanks again man I got chills when I heard my name such a cool dude u could've been like fuk that kid but u didn't u kept it real💯💪🏼
the VEVOR 3-stage hand crank pump with high quality 301 stainless steel, crank pump 4500 psi (0-30 MPa), PCP Air Gun Rifle, PCP pump with pressure measurement range: 0-5800 psi (0-40 MPa) has it allready adapter for filling 13ci tank?
Hello brorher i got my self a brand new valken today i shot 2 times .68 rubber defence bullet cant pull the trigger neither change safety mode why can that be?
@@DripMoneyjewelry1rubber balls have a tendency to jam the marker. If the safety is stuck you need to loosen and remove the sling ring screw just behind the grip. Pull down slightly on the grip and you should hear the bolt reset and your fire selector should regain use. If you experience a jam do not safety the launcher rather unscrew and completely degas the launcher.
@@lesslethalfordummies thank you! i will just try to advertise it back but thank you! its to much work i need it for defence i cant rely on this crap🫶🏽
@lesslethalfordummies Thank you! I just picked up a TRP Carbine with a short 8 inch Rifled Barrel and wanting to make up for the loss and a consistent 65 + Joules. Waiting to see what you do with the Sicariis!
I cant stress enough shimming your own bottles can be somewhat dangerous if you dont know what you are doing. There are safety features built into the bottle but should something malfunction 💥. Most paintball marker are at least tested to 1100psi max by the manufacturer. Just be mindful of the firing pin sending higher than normal pressure into the FS markers.
If search around at some of the lesser known online shops you might find one. They were discontinued. Grimburg sells a 9ci version though which is even a little more compact.
Nice demonstration my friend. I used a pump for my PCP ca 20 years ago. I struggled to get over 150 BAR in it. I think pumps are of better quality today and maybe easiyer to pump. Cheers
Most are a bit easier now but there are still some doozies being sold cheap.
These days i use compressor too but keep a hand pump as back up if the world ends.
🧟♀️
i really appreciate this video!!.. i have a pump and tanks but Never knew how to do it. i feel like a dumass. Thank you Sean !!!
Glad I could help. Hpa on the outside appears complex and more dangerous but there are many safeties built in. Reality is i think co2 is more dangerous as it can be unpredictable at times.
@Less Lethal for Dummies i totally agree brother
Big Thanks my guy I'm going to be pump pump pumping pretty soon 💪🏼 keeps u strong like bull
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@@lesslethalfordummies hooorawww
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Make sure to bottom out the pump piston on both up stroke and downstroke. If you don't you lose 80% of efficiency, you are just bouncing piston on an air pocket.
Yes i did mention full complete strokes otherwise you are just wasting energy. Most of the actual compression is at the bottom 1” or so but not fully extending the stroke also just waste time as you are not grabbing enough air.
@@lesslethalfordummies it takes about an hour of pumping to fill 68 ci to 3000 psi. Just get a Yong Heng compressor, highly recommend it
Wont catch me pumping a 68. I aint that spry anymore. 😂
I started with an oil less compressor that lasted a year. I have since moved onto a Yonger and it rips….13ci 45sec flat.
If your just filling littel tanks pumps ent a bad workout if your younger an active not a bad way to get some cardio in haha pump 3 tanks
Smaller tanks aren’t terrible. It gets old when you are troubleshooting leaks in your launchers 😂
😂😂 I thought i was the only one to make the " Froggy Dance 🐸 " while pumping 😂😂 jokes appart that avoid getting back pain
The frog dance definitely helps especially with taller folk.
Lol😅
this helped me thank you but question what is the difference between a small 3000 psi bottle like yours and a larger one also 3000 psi?
The ci (cubic inches) size 10 vs 13 vs 26 is the volume of air the bottle can hold store safely at 3000psi. Larger the bottle, the more shots. There are also 4500psi bottle which can store roughly 60% more shots in the same volume because the stored pressure is higher.
@@lesslethalfordummies awesome thank you
That's great, does this work for air powered airsoft guns instead of cans ?!? I'd like to find an alternative to buying 10€ cans.. . How many shots do you get out of that bottle ?
Hpa will not replace green gas unless you swap to an hpa engine. I am speaking loosely as my airsoft knowledge is not on the up and up.
LOL i bought one of these for $50-60. They actually work. But the reality is, after pumping a few times, the juice will no longer be worth the squeeze. I'm 5'11 190 and I found it extremely hard to pump past 3000 psi for my 4500 hpa tanks. Like the byrna this hand pump served as a gateway to better things because now I just use electric. The hand pump can still serve as a back up in case you have no power.
Great analogy. I would definitely pass on hand pumping a 4500psi tank. Most of these hand pumps are only good to 3000 any how which i neglected to mention. Braver man then I.
LoL,. Yup! . I'm getting one of these, too. Any more than a 3 gage or higher .
Good investment non the less.
Another great video, brother.
Don't die! We need ya around! lol
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Minimum 3 stage or you will burst into flames trying.
i got same bottle know is yours 1000 psi out put got a new 3 stage pump the vevor ones are decent tbf i lubed all the seals an put plumers tape on threads no leaks so quite happy with it an pumps quick tbf compared to last cheap one way better quality
Minimum 3 stage or you will hate yourself 😆. I have a CX hand pump as back up.
@13:41 "nice ballshot there, you want full strokes. So dont half stroke the pump and do it nice and smooth".
I'll stick to my compressor I have a pump but after using it a couple times I started looking at other options namely a compressor it's a good backup system for a power outage or if we go to war lol
Yeah once you get a compressor there is no looking back but a hand pump is good backup.
@@lesslethalfordummies Agreed
Just learned a few things and was wondering if you have a special place you like to get valves I want something around the 2200psi out, I was looking at a 13ci tank then I saw this video and thought I like this way better, I want to couple this with my 2240 hpa build
Finding high pressure 1200+ output pcp regs are not that common state side. The only one that comes to mind is the Ninja Flex regulator, otherwise Aliexpress will have any pressure regulator under the moon including adjustable ones.
How many shots do you get from this tank?
That really depends on the marker it’s used on. Some are pigs on air like an M17 but most are fairly frugal. 10-30 useful shots can be expected.
Hi Sean. Have you looked into the 9ci tanks from Grimburg and if so, do you know if they are easy to modify upwards from 850 psi? It looks like they are using a Ninja regulator. Also, as a single marker owner that is thinking about moving to an air tank, like the 9ci size, any opinions on using a hand pump vs. a cheap pcp air compressor? Thanks!
I have a few 9ci and 10ci tanks. Changing the output isnt difficult at all but you need the correct shims for that particular regulator being used. Approx 220 strokes to fill with a hand pump. Nothing wrong with hand pumping but if you encounter an issue, air empties fast and then you got to start over. 😢
@@lesslethalfordummies thanks Sean. Most appreciated. I don’t have the interest or desire to pick up one of those Yong Heng compressors and I am fearful that the smaller compressors will crap out. Whereas the hand pump has less parts and in the end, I would only be filling a 9ci tank.
@ChrisC-cb6rz if you reach out to Grimburg they may be able to adjust the output pressure for your purchase. Never hurts to ask.
I understand not needing a compressor, but even a good hand pump can be more than half the cost of a compressor.
@@lesslethalfordummies as always….awesome advice. The order had already been processed for shipment. Once it arrives, I will take a closer look at the actual regulator (the rep did not know which Ninja regulator is attached). The point I intended to make about the cheap compressor vs. hand pump was more about which one would last longer, not the price. You are right about hand pumps….some of them are definitely pricy. My thought process is to invest in a decent quality hand pump vs throwing money at a compressor that may or may not last.
@@ChrisC-cb6rzyou will have to check whats inside the regulator when it arrives. Ninja either uses a spring or bellevue washers.
The inexpensive oilless compressors do work well for limited use and may not be a bad option for your frequency of usage. I would suggest one from Amazon Prime that can be returned easily should it be a dud.
If you choose a hand pump look for minimum 3 stage pump.
Have you had any issues with the foster fitting not locking up on the full nipple? I’m having this issue on my pepperball 13 ci and first strike 10 ci hpa bottles but the foster fitting secures with the fill nipple on my ninja hpa tank.
On my newest FS regulator that has an external hex drive nipple…yes the QD bottoms out on the hex before locking. Most annoying if you ask me. It’s easy enough to swap to a different nipple but a hassle and small expense none the less.
The FS nipple in this video was the old internal allen key style and i never had a problem. They ceased production of these because apparently if you torqued them too tight the allen drive breaks, fractures the nipple and makes them damn near impossible to remove at that point.
Gotta get me that gauge now the pump and the fill adapters and i should be good
The output tester isnt necessary when getting started. All the other stuff should come with the pump.
@@lesslethalfordummies I have the tank dk spencer gave me it has 1 bar of pressure still in it lol
@@SoLoCruizer less pumping for you.
@Less Lethal for Dummies thanks again man I got chills when I heard my name such a cool dude u could've been like fuk that kid but u didn't u kept it real💯💪🏼
@@SoLoCruizer I try to help as much as i can but there is only so much time in the day. Thanks for being patient.
the VEVOR 3-stage hand crank pump with high quality 301 stainless steel, crank pump 4500 psi (0-30 MPa), PCP Air Gun Rifle, PCP pump with pressure measurement range: 0-5800 psi (0-40 MPa)
has it allready adapter for filling 13ci tank?
Yes if they designate its for pcp it should have a foster style fitting that plugs right into a 13ci.
@@lesslethalfordummies thank you once again! :))
Hello brorher i got my self a brand new valken today i shot 2 times .68 rubber defence bullet cant pull the trigger neither change safety mode why can that be?
@@DripMoneyjewelry1rubber balls have a tendency to jam the marker. If the safety is stuck you need to loosen and remove the sling ring screw just behind the grip. Pull down slightly on the grip and you should hear the bolt reset and your fire selector should regain use.
If you experience a jam do not safety the launcher rather unscrew and completely degas the launcher.
@@lesslethalfordummies thank you! i will just try to advertise it back but thank you! its to much work i need it for defence i cant rely on this crap🫶🏽
That's what she said🥁
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Do a 48ci 4500 next
💪🏼…pass 😂
Good cardio too yeah im probably just gonna get me a compressor lol
Compressors are fun too.
@Less Lethal for Dummies yeah just a Lil pricey ima have to Crack open the piggy 🐷 bank
I think Angry Cruizer punked you on this vid 😂😂😂. You're a better man than me hand pumping for the cam. How many strokes would you say?💥💥💥
I thought I remember 220-230 for the 10ci and another 100 for a 13ci.
Damn you AngryCruizer!
@@lesslethalfordummies ok. Maybe I should do a comparison. Mine is a 4 stage pump💥💥💥
Its a pump off!
How many pumps did it take you
I believe it was 220 pumps for a 10ci and 300 for a 13ci both to 3000psi.
Is it safe for me to set that exact tank at an 1100 output pressure?
Yes it is. The FS kit gets it to about 1025psi so you might need to add your own shim if you want a true 1100psi.
@lesslethalfordummies Thank you! I just picked up a TRP Carbine with a short 8 inch Rifled Barrel and wanting to make up for the loss and a consistent 65 + Joules. Waiting to see what you do with the Sicariis!
I cant stress enough shimming your own bottles can be somewhat dangerous if you dont know what you are doing. There are safety features built into the bottle but should something malfunction 💥. Most paintball marker are at least tested to 1100psi max by the manufacturer.
Just be mindful of the firing pin sending higher than normal pressure into the FS markers.
@@lesslethalfordummies UNDERSTOOD BROTHER!
Ha ha, Only Fans... Youse a funny guy.
Where can I buy a 10ci 3000 tank?
If search around at some of the lesser known online shops you might find one. They were discontinued.
Grimburg sells a 9ci version though which is even a little more compact.
@lesslethalfordummies
I have that one and it's incompatible with FS regulators. I've been looking at Scandinavian Airsoft/Paintball stores no luck. 😢
Doent ship to US 😢
@@Malficionask over at Less Lethal Machines TH-cam channel. He found some a little while back.
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Lol he's great u wouldn't think u would laugh so much in a hpa tank vid really stands out from the other vids on these