@@vDREEGONv Yeah I was confused cause there was nothing up there and then I ran through the tunnel backwards to meet the rubble blocking the entrance on the other side
@@saplingdatree4111actually the final update shall happen September 28th and should've been called "Final Frontier" instead of final horizon 😕 like how cyloop should've been called cy dash.
The fact that you had to opportunity to normalize "Hedgehog Space Program" and decided not to heed that call to destiny proves that our bloodlines are doomed to be at war
Sick video! ^_^ Really great for beginners who want to get into the game :) It really is insane how much this game is being pushed and it's an honor to have contributed to the speedrun and see so many people enjoy the run a lot more now because of it
Great as always dawn! Can always count on you to figure out the awesome history behind the sonic speedrun community, first sa2 and now in frontiers! Genuinely enjoy watching this game get figured out and can't wait for the things to come!
Thank god I found this video. I’ve been craving those titan fights but didn’t feel like rerunning through all of the story, but thanks to this I can speed the process up a ton!
I managed to get up to the Ares Island boss area when I was just exploring on my normal first playthrough, I didn't consider it to be a skip though! I looked at it and thought, "yep, this is definitely the boss arena, but it probably won't trigger until I get all the emeralds." Had no idea I could've just climbed the tower and started the fight!
I just joined the frontiers discord, found the link to this video, and was amazed. I'm surprised and yet also kind of not surprised that the game was broken this fast lol. I've been interested in speedrunning frontiers since I first finished the game so this video was a really great introduction 👍
There was an alternative way of entering the Titan area (I mean giganto), which was by clipping through the wall that prevents you from accessing that area. The clip is somewhere in TH-cam I forgot where :/
Would be really cool if sega decides to patch emerald skips in a clever way. If the fight triggers sonic perfoms the transformation animation before falling to the ground as he doesnt have enough emeralds to initiate transformation making you fight the boss as base sonic.
It makes sense you tap it something I found out quickly is that your boost slows down later on it the boost so you go faster by tap boosting rather than holding it
Wait… I didn’t even use the puzzle area to get to the boss area… I just… climbed some walls and got lucky, I guess. I thought I was supposed to be there like it was just another area to explore lol
Honestly my theory is there was meant to be stuff there but they just didn't have the time so they left the upper area unfinished and with no invisible wall.
I was actually thinking of makeing a meme for the hsp where its just an image of sonic saluting with 2001: a space odyssey running in the background... LUL
It's not broken, it's by chance and obscure use of physics that glitches like these are found. Just because a game has obscure scenario breaking glitches and stuff does not make it broken. If anything you should be saying the glitch is broken because of what you can do with it.
@@crynosinso8324 you misunderstand my fellow internet gamer. as a speedrunner i think this is a very cool and pogchamp that we can "break" the game. it is just speedrunning vernacular when i say it is broken
so when I saw this 8 days ago after I beat froniters Im replaying now and I was searching through my watch history in order to find your vid a goat for making this video and absolute legend
Love the video! Just a bit of friendly advice: you might want to consider lowering the music volume a couple of notches. It’s hard to hear you. But that didn’t detract from the video itself, so well done!
I actually got to the boss area of the second island too using my own ways when the game launched, but did not know you had to trigger it, so... I climbed the tower for nothing and gave up.
I knew the moment DsS uploaded that video that this shit would destroy the game somehow, he's just that good at breaking shit lol. I didn't expect super sonic to be a thing even without the emeralds though, that was such a huge oversight by them, assuming players wouldn't find a way to get to the arenas early. Only thing that bothers me are those names for the trick lmao, I wish DsS had named it himself instead of trusting the community to do it.
And we then found pinball skip Btw i play the switch version and started a save where i am only allowed a power level of 10 or 1 but everything else can be upgraded to 99
If you do the Sequence where Sonic fights Giganto for the first time, for some reason there is a Giganto that just vibes in the boss arena spawned in lol
I personally found that you don't have to go to that exact area on Ares Island (the point with the ball puzzle). I'm pretty sure plenty of other people have already figured this out, but some of the walls bordering the Boss Arena have little areas that you can boost jump off of. I'd imagine it'd shave at least a second or so, but I don't really know, I'm not an expert.
@@mechashadow If you look on the map, it should be around the area you'd actually enter through in a small canyon like area. Last I remember, it was around a spring or something, I don't know, it's been a bit since I tried it. You just have to keep running around that area until the music changes. Sorry if that wasn't much help.
I feel like hedgehog space program is much easier to say an abbreviation as it would be called HSP which would much easier and faster to say than DSSS (DSS Shuffle) or just the normal way, DSS Shuffle.
oh wow, in my first playthrough of the game i actually reached the boss area in island 2 early without knowing it. crazy to think everything couldve been skipped if i knew about the trigger
Sonic frontiers is really good I play the nintendo switch version but I'm getting the ps5 version cause it's that good but I wish they made the classic levels and I mean the ones in cyber space like Green Hill and all the other ones open world I've always wondered what an open world green hill zone would look like
Yea it’s crazy because in the later islands they took steps to stop us: Chaos has a Killplane in the Arena, Ouranos doesn’t let us near it. Where these two are actually possible.
wait... this video made me realize that you're not supposed to be able to access the ares island boss arena. i don't remember how i got in there, but i remember running around the area and leaving before the boss. ill have to check my footage to see how i did it lmao
@@ethanjohnson3642 well from the looks of it i went onto a platforming segment that was close to the top of the rocks, jumped on to them, then from there just ran across them and jumped over the ravines until i naturally wandered into the arena. the platforming segment wasnt even that far from the boss arena so im wondering why its so easy? the upper part of the rocks lead right over the gate too. totally wild
@@ethanjohnson3642 just uploaded it as unlisted. the URL is NZLwQzJKdRk so if you insert that after the "watch?v=" in a standard youtube URL you should be able to see it
Wait so you're telling me while i was searching for stuff in ares island i was at the BOSS AREA?
This is exactly how I felt when I casually just walked into that area lmao. Didn't think much of it then, now it's literally a skip everyone uses lol.
@@vDREEGONv I might actually use it to fight wyvern for my lv 1 only run.
Saves me hours of time.
@@vDREEGONv Yeah I was confused cause there was nothing up there and then I ran through the tunnel backwards to meet the rubble blocking the entrance on the other side
Lol
Yea but I haven’t played the game yet😢😢
Seeing the game slowly be broken in the discord is fascinating, thx for making a good breakdown of the tech dude
Sonic is the series for speed-runners
It’s all about speed. It’s perfect. And Frontiers are no different
Let's just hope this isn't the final frontier
@@saplingdatree4111actually the final update shall happen September 28th and should've been called "Final Frontier" instead of final horizon 😕 like how cyloop should've been called cy dash.
The fact that you had to opportunity to normalize "Hedgehog Space Program" and decided not to heed that call to destiny proves that our bloodlines are doomed to be at war
Facts 📠
@@DawnSRCI don't know what y'all talking about but I liked it anyways lol😅
Also it's sad cause I think people can beat Sonic forces with no glitches faster than sonic frontiers with all the game breaking glitches 😂.
@@DuelSenseEdgeDrift. they're actually really close, the Frontiers WR is 59:46 and Forces is 55:36 despite Frontiers being a much much longer game!
Sick video! ^_^ Really great for beginners who want to get into the game :) It really is insane how much this game is being pushed and it's an honor to have contributed to the speedrun and see so many people enjoy the run a lot more now because of it
Yo thanks! Appreciate the work you've done so far. Hyped to see the Any% time keepin dropping.
On day -3, people were already finding speedrun techniques like the homing attack boost cancel
Yeah back when people were playing on Switch Emulators lol
Great as always dawn! Can always count on you to figure out the awesome history behind the sonic speedrun community, first sa2 and now in frontiers! Genuinely enjoy watching this game get figured out and can't wait for the things to come!
Thank god I found this video.
I’ve been craving those titan fights but didn’t feel like rerunning through all of the story, but thanks to this I can speed the process up a ton!
Glad I could help! Thankfully these tricks aren’t suuuuper tough either!
I managed to get up to the Ares Island boss area when I was just exploring on my normal first playthrough, I didn't consider it to be a skip though! I looked at it and thought, "yep, this is definitely the boss arena, but it probably won't trigger until I get all the emeralds." Had no idea I could've just climbed the tower and started the fight!
I just joined the frontiers discord, found the link to this video, and was amazed. I'm surprised and yet also kind of not surprised that the game was broken this fast lol. I've been interested in speedrunning frontiers since I first finished the game so this video was a really great introduction 👍
Sick video as always! Can't wait to see what this game looks like a month from now.
"OK Amy, I'm just gonna go fight the giant titan now"
"But you said you needed all the chaos emer-"
*sonic proceeds to rapidly ascend to the heavens*
Great video Dawn!!! After Em showed us how to do it on stream, I haven't been able to stop having fun with it in my casual playthrough.
This is the true mark of a great Sonic game: having enough jank to make the speedrun suitably wild and not *much* more than that
There was an alternative way of entering the Titan area (I mean giganto), which was by clipping through the wall that prevents you from accessing that area. The clip is somewhere in TH-cam I forgot where :/
Yeah I didn't include it since we don't know if it will really see use but I will include it in a future video if it does see implementation.
Would be really cool if sega decides to patch emerald skips in a clever way. If the fight triggers sonic perfoms the transformation animation before falling to the ground as he doesnt have enough emeralds to initiate transformation making you fight the boss as base sonic.
Great explanation! This is very helpful. Awesome video overall!
"Even without wings I can still fly"
_Sonic the hedgehog_
yoooo another great video! Keep up the good work man.
So I wasn't the only one who got in the Ares Boss area by accident😭
It makes sense you tap it something I found out quickly is that your boost slows down later on it the boost so you go faster by tap boosting rather than holding it
Great Video, and a very detailed explanation. This game is gonna be a great speed game. Such is par for most sonic titles.
Wait… I didn’t even use the puzzle area to get to the boss area… I just… climbed some walls and got lucky, I guess. I thought I was supposed to be there like it was just another area to explore lol
Yeah! It's crazy how easy they made it lol you can pretty much enter it from all sides if you try hard enough.
Honestly my theory is there was meant to be stuff there but they just didn't have the time so they left the upper area unfinished and with no invisible wall.
I was actually thinking of makeing a meme for the hsp where its just an image of sonic saluting with 2001: a space odyssey running in the background... LUL
Ok this is amazing lmao
bro this game is already so broken 🤯 dope video
It's not broken, it's by chance and obscure use of physics that glitches like these are found. Just because a game has obscure scenario breaking glitches and stuff does not make it broken. If anything you should be saying the glitch is broken because of what you can do with it.
@@crynosinso8324 you misunderstand my fellow internet gamer. as a speedrunner i think this is a very cool and pogchamp that we can "break" the game. it is just speedrunning vernacular when i say it is broken
@@Emerldd Oh. Ok. Sorry about that.
@@Emerldd what a truly wholesome response
@@crynosinso8324 this is how someone should respond to accidently mistaking someones comment
I CANT FUCKING BELIEVE DAWN JUST HIT THE GRIDDY
so when I saw this 8 days ago after I beat froniters Im replaying now and I was searching through my watch history in order to find your vid a goat for making this video and absolute legend
Awesome vid man ! Just found it you're so underrated bro
Love the video! Just a bit of friendly advice: you might want to consider lowering the music volume a couple of notches. It’s hard to hear you. But that didn’t detract from the video itself, so well done!
Any griddy hitters?
I love how one giganto is being completely destroyed by sonic while the other is just standing off to the side
I absolutely love doing these skips in waiting for a skip for Chaos and Island 5
This is awesome I was trying to figure this out and I had a feeling this was possible but once again the speed running community prove the prove 💯
I really hope it doesn't get patched! The devs should want us to go fast!
Yeah it's something that won't affect casual gameplay and helps speedrunners so I hope they don't touch it!
I actually got to the boss area of the second island too using my own ways when the game launched, but did not know you had to trigger it, so... I climbed the tower for nothing and gave up.
Common DawnSR banger video
I knew the moment DsS uploaded that video that this shit would destroy the game somehow, he's just that good at breaking shit lol. I didn't expect super sonic to be a thing even without the emeralds though, that was such a huge oversight by them, assuming players wouldn't find a way to get to the arenas early. Only thing that bothers me are those names for the trick lmao, I wish DsS had named it himself instead of trusting the community to do it.
As soon as I saw good gameplay of this game, I knew that speedrunners were gonna love this game.
And we then found pinball skip
Btw i play the switch version and started a save where i am only allowed a power level of 10 or 1 but everything else can be upgraded to 99
Oh... you know, I wasn't expecting this long ass game to be cracked open already but Sonic fans do be Sonic fans
Very poggers video presented to you by Mr. Poggies
Lmao Hedgehog Space Program, what a nice reference
Ngl this is the first sonic game I ever attempted to speedrun under 3hrs
1:44 why is there 2 gigantos?
If you do the Sequence where Sonic fights Giganto for the first time, for some reason there is a Giganto that just vibes in the boss arena spawned in lol
Personally, I prefer "Hedgehog Space Program".
Anyway, decent analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
I think it should be called the Reverse ARK
Shoulda been called the super bounce rather than the DsS Shuffle or Hedgehog Space Program
i prefer calling it the stomp boost, super launch or free flying
Rocket maaaan
oh i've just been calling it stomp kara because you're kara cancelling the stomp lol
I personally found that you don't have to go to that exact area on Ares Island (the point with the ball puzzle). I'm pretty sure plenty of other people have already figured this out, but some of the walls bordering the Boss Arena have little areas that you can boost jump off of. I'd imagine it'd shave at least a second or so, but I don't really know, I'm not an expert.
Can you explain the boss trigger? I ca'nt get it to work
@@mechashadow If you look on the map, it should be around the area you'd actually enter through in a small canyon like area. Last I remember, it was around a spring or something, I don't know, it's been a bit since I tried it. You just have to keep running around that area until the music changes. Sorry if that wasn't much help.
Should also help with that filler island too
based gamer
I feel like hedgehog space program is much easier to say an abbreviation as it would be called HSP which would much easier and faster to say than DSSS (DSS Shuffle) or just the normal way, DSS Shuffle.
Yeah I just say Shuffle or HSP, still don't really have a favorite lmao
@@DawnSRC fair
Sonic frontier is a blast for speedrunners
Sonic games make for great speedgames usually, glad its also the case here!
If there is one person that can find a way to break a Sonic game day 1
Its DSS
Hedgehog Space Program is way better than DSS
We’ve since reached a middle ground where the Kronos Island Skip is called HSP, since you need the most height. While the general tech is DSS Shuffle.
oh wow, in my first playthrough of the game i actually reached the boss area in island 2 early without knowing it. crazy to think everything couldve been skipped if i knew about the trigger
Yeah it's definitely super easy to get over there lol it's like they didn't even try to stop it.
is there any chance u can cover the history of forces? it's also very broken for speedruns!
Does this still work??
Yep still works and is used in the Any% route!
Speedrun I always knew this would happen
Sonic frontiers is really good I play the nintendo switch version but I'm getting the ps5 version cause it's that good but I wish they made the classic levels and I mean the ones in cyber space like Green Hill and all the other ones open world I've always wondered what an open world green hill zone would look like
Good thing though is these are almost unnoticeable in game unless you really try to break the game mean the glitches aren't that bad I feel
Yeah! I'm hopeful these won't be patched out since few of the tricks speedrunners use will affect the casual experience. Love when that happens.
The game itself is really polished besides the pop in. But man that doesn’t stop the speed runners from exploiting the game.
Yea it’s crazy because in the later islands they took steps to stop us: Chaos has a Killplane in the Arena, Ouranos doesn’t let us near it. Where these two are actually possible.
This is so crazy🔥🔥🔥
Question: will anything happen if you use the DSS shuffle in Kronos island after you’ve completed the game?
Does this trick work if you already beat Giganto? I wanna see if I can re-fight it
Some people in the comments seemed to have already tested it. Sadly, it doesn’t look like it.
speedrunners speed fast
personally, I call the dss shuffle the hedgehog rocket, though honestly think i like dss shuffle more
Hedgehog Rocket is pretty good lol, similar vibes to the Space Program.
Thanks for the tips, but I won't skip it because I want to see all the cutscenes using Japanese voice for fun in my second run
Fair enough! Maybe the third run though 😉
@@DawnSRC Okay :)
Can you use this to refight bosses
Edit:I did the glitch myself and sadly no, you cannot fight giganto again
Ah I was going to test it but very sad to hear that it doesn't work :/
Is this patched? How do you dodge forward like that? I just keep side stepping with RB, and it says press RT but that makes me boost
Bro I have been trying to find the spot where you run through the part to spawn gigantio and I can’t find it
wait... this video made me realize that you're not supposed to be able to access the ares island boss arena. i don't remember how i got in there, but i remember running around the area and leaving before the boss. ill have to check my footage to see how i did it lmao
So what did you find?
@@ethanjohnson3642 well from the looks of it i went onto a platforming segment that was close to the top of the rocks, jumped on to them, then from there just ran across them and jumped over the ravines until i naturally wandered into the arena. the platforming segment wasnt even that far from the boss arena so im wondering why its so easy? the upper part of the rocks lead right over the gate too. totally wild
@@MadamMobius do you mind uploading the segment so I can see exactly where you were?
@@ethanjohnson3642 just uploaded it as unlisted. the URL is NZLwQzJKdRk so if you insert that after the "watch?v=" in a standard youtube URL you should be able to see it
@@MadamMobius thanks man! Very niche and I appreciate it 🙏.
ohhhhhh iv done this by accident many times i guess it was a bug
🤯
Does it respawn the bosses on complete save files?
No
According to Speedsword in the comments it doesn't and lumi as well. Which is honestly tragic, would have been super cool.
If u do these even tho u beat them do they still spawn?
Gotta go fast!
Could you replay the bosses woth these tricks.
Sadly, no :/ hopefully one of the new modes they’re adding is a boss rush or something with the updates.
i love sonic frontier 🌎🌎🌎🌎
Me: F I S H I N G
Demolished /pos or Demolished /neg?
Well that’s really up to interpretation isn’t it.
It's a sonic game. You're basically speed running a speed run.
Sonic games were made to be speedruns. Glad to see them finally get more popular!
if you got s rank on 1-2 you’re 0.5% of the top speed runners
I got it thank u!!!!
Sonic the jet
I found Sonic Frontiers was honestly not much to offer....
what
Typical Sonic game
Hi dawn
Yo
i want the game but i have no money lol gg(good game) tho
the music is super distracting. I'm here for the speedrun breakdown, not some funky beats. i WANT to hear the narration.
Yeah it was sad, as I realized how bad it was too late. Will do better in the next ones.
It’s so buggy, it kinda reminds me of 06
There is a good amount of jank but all Sonic games are buggy. It reminds me more of SADX/SA2 jank than 06 personally.
Not even close to 06.
@@lonelyonionagain. right! It’s worse
@@Lewizzi Bruh.
@@lonelyonionagain. it’s my fav game of all time