Another good vid mate. 100% the temp will effect the top speed. How metals react to heat and how a battery discharges during use are effected. Couple that with a potential lack of traction under load.... Cheers Glen 👍👍
That’s a great achievement big man Great speed I found lipos work tons better when it’s warm I went from 3s 3300mah 50c to 4s 3330 mah 50c and gained 12mph Love your videos I learnt lots off you last year coming back into Rc never forget it Tamiya legends for life 💪🏽
Nice run Glenn, I thought it mite be a 50/50 chance on what motor is fastest. Like you were saying, older motor & colder temps. But so close in speed, it’s not important. Now Brushless TIME 🤩🤩
I’m thinking you need to revisit this one on a better day and maybe the belts being tighter made a big difference. When I lived in the north of British Columbia I noticed a different in performance on lipo the colder it got so they don’t like the cold for sure. Great vid as usual
Not sure if your intentions are to keep the gear ratio the same for each test, but to get the most out of each motor, they should be geared properly. Higher rpm motors that produce less torque will require a smaller pinion gear to maximize the available power. It may seem counter-intuitive, but a faster spinning motor can sometimes produce more overall speed with a smaller pinion gear (the higher gear ratio will allow the motor to reach maximum rpm faster and with less amp draw from the battery.) If you're overgeared (pinion too large), the motor may not have the torque to reach max rpm, hence the slower top speed.
bunjy814 Awesome information thank you my friend. Yeah the initial part of this series of videos was to just run all the motors I had on a level playing field to see the differences between them, with a view to playing with the gearing in the future. Thanks for watching buddy 😊👊🏻
Thanks for another great film Glenn, looks bloody chilly. Was looking forward to the speed run and it didn’t disappoint me. Cold temps not enough grip on the tyres? Superb effort either way. Thank you Glenn. 😊👍🏻
The temperature will affect the current provided by the lipo battery. Colder temps inhibit the battery chemistry, whereas warmer temps enhance it, within reasonable limits. 3 brothers hobbies posted a great video on lipo resistances which touched on this, if you want to research it further.
I’d agree the temp and motor age, wear make a difference. Also the charge the battery received could have been slightly different. Either way the AZ, BZ motors are fast for brushed. You can also get more speed from gearing changes which could affect each motor differently. Now on to brushless! Still a great series of videos!
Good runs, still very respectable speeds 👌. I think the cold is your enemy here. I've read LiPo's don't like being under degrees 10c. Basically it results in a lower C rating and lower capacity. Good to see a no damage run again, although not as exciting. 😂🤣
Looking forward to seeing how fast the Tamiya 10.5 is as I have one in my optima turbo with a Team Orion r10 love Tamiya’s to build and look at have the other to run 👍
That’s good going considering the temperature. I don’t think that you’ll be able to get a true and reliable speed until you have better weather. The only other thing you can do is do all your motor swaps and speed runs on the same day. But -5 degrees is crazy cold. Stay inside mate, that’s like me standing in a paddock do runs at 40+ degrees. You’ll catch a death. I’d just have to dodge snakes and get fried by the heat and worry about starting a fire. That I can tolerate 🤣🤣🤣🤣
TAMIYA Legends truthfully me either! My daughter has more bravado than me when it comes to reptiles, she’s 15 and volunteers at a zoo. No problems with pythons etc. I nearly fill my britches when I see a lizard, that half a second is enough panic before you realise what it really is. Considering the most common snake where I come from and grew up is number 2 in the world for deadliness (the Eastern Brown). This where I bash in a paddock! They tend to be more scared of you than you think, you tend not to see them, they will only really attack if you tread on them or corner them. I think the 4 or 5th deadliest (the Tiger Snake) is a lot more aggressive bites more than once but their toxicity is far less. They are not uncommon within the suburbs of Melbourne a city of approximately 6 million, we get a few reports each year. The number 1 is the Inland Taipan, you’ve got about 20 minutes with this bad boy, enough venom per bite to kill a few people, but extremely shy, located in the outback. In saying all of that, we would be lucky to have a handful of deaths a year. The country isn’t infested with Kangaroos and deadly reptiles and spiders as portrayed.
Have you tried contact tyres for speed runs they come pre glued and have excellent grip especially when warm better than sorex but dont last more than a couple of races.
They also make the brushes out of 3 different materials. I think the carbon ones are the fastest but wear the quickest. Do you know for sure your brushes are the same material? These super stock motors on 3s are scary fast enough! I just ordered 4 sets of carbon replacement brushes instead of bothering with a brushless setup. For now...... P.s. what video of yours would have your best decal tricks in it? Have you done a water mist one for large stickers? I am nervous about putting on the big ones for the top force, not to mention the mci ones are slightly larger and don't have the vent cutout😭
Peter Renaud Tbh when it comes to decaling I cut them out perfectly then only apply a very small area at a time with the backing always left on. Also the hairdryer is your friend when decaling, it can come in very handy, buy don’t have it too hot 🥵
An interesting test and series :) just out of interest why wasn't the GT tuned motor tried? Sorry if this is a silly question I am new to the hobby and I do have a GT tuned motor so I am curious. Thanks for posting as always and stay safe.
Great vid Glenn. Wow its cold over there in Canada 😱❄️. I was just wondering. I'm still living in the olden days and running 7.2v nimh. What speed do you think it would run on the sport tuned using this battery. Cheers 👍
Good morning Glen! Pretty fast car! It's terrible the weather is not cooperating with us! Would like to see it on a warmer day. Question..what do you think of the super stock TZ motor ? 53 696 if that helps? Thinking of putting that into a hotshot but now I'm learning from you channel that some are specific. Thanks and keep up the awesome video!!
tamiya frog Well I have to be honest, I’m more a fan of the BZ now, I’ve ran both in buggies and for me the BZ is slightly better, but there’s hardly anything between them 🤔🤷🏼♂️
I find with belts especially when racing stock class you want to run the belts as slack as you can without skipping under load. Too tight & your just wasting power
Was thinking that too. For offroading I might run them that tight, but they looked very tight for onroad use. I suspect that some speed was definitely lost there. To be honest, I don't think I run my TRF503 belts that tight. Before running it again, I'd say keep it in the notches, but loosen the tensioners a bit to get some slack. You can tighten them well by feel. When the motor is out and the wheels are off, make sure it's fairly loose. Turn the spur with your fingers while tightning the tensioners one at a time. As soon as you feel there's a bit more resistance, you back up the tensioner a 16th of a turn. Now you should feel almost as little resistance as you did when you started, but with a belt that is tight enough to run properly. After one pack through, it will have stretched ever so slightly and it is spot on. For a good comparison, leave the belt where it is and run the BZ motor again. That will tell you whoat the belt tensioning did.
Another good vid mate. 100% the temp will effect the top speed. How metals react to heat and how a battery discharges during use are effected.
Couple that with a potential lack of traction under load....
Cheers Glen 👍👍
RTS Motorsport
Excellent thanks my friend 😊👊🏻
So glad you didn't crash with those cold slippery conditions mate!
Great video & thanks for freezing your fingers off to make another vid 👍🦘🇦🇺
Outback RC Australia
No worries my friend 🤩👊🏻
great run Glenn mate👍👊😊😎🇬🇧
Leons rc hobbys
Cheers Leon 😎👊🏻
That’s a great achievement big man
Great speed
I found lipos work tons better when it’s warm
I went from 3s 3300mah 50c to 4s 3330 mah 50c and gained 12mph
Love your videos I learnt lots off you last year coming back into Rc never forget it
Tamiya legends for life 💪🏽
CMW Chris woodward
Thanks man 😎👊🏻
Looking forward to seeing more of the Brushless speed runs. I really like you camo jacket very cool :)
boostedmonza502
Thanks buddy 🤩👊🏻
Still a great comparison video glenn that thing is movin on brushed motor nice job brotha 👍
Been watching a few of your vids now. Very cool channel mate:)
ABOlsen80X
Excellent welcome to the channel my friend 😊👊🏻
Thanks Glenn, nice video🙏 (ps. funny birds, starlings? in the background, they’re start sound like Tamiyas electronics😂
Nice run Glenn, I thought it mite be a 50/50 chance on what motor is fastest. Like you were saying, older motor & colder temps. But so close in speed, it’s not important.
Now Brushless TIME 🤩🤩
Rcalltypes
Brushless time love it 🤩👊🏻
You are very brave going out with it that cold soon be summer fingers crossed. We might even be out of lockdown soon . Then we can have proper Rc fun
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I'm always looking forward to it.
Still looks pretty fast though! 👍
Shen RC
Yeah all brushless from here, the speeds start to ramp up now buddy 😊🚗💨💨💨
I’m thinking you need to revisit this one on a better day and maybe the belts being tighter made a big difference.
When I lived in the north of British Columbia I noticed a different in performance on lipo the colder it got so they don’t like the cold for sure.
Great vid as usual
adrian harrison
Thanks Adrian 😊👊🏻
Great video!
Ready Set RC
Thanks for watching buddy 😊👊🏻
Not sure if your intentions are to keep the gear ratio the same for each test, but to get the most out of each motor, they should be geared properly. Higher rpm motors that produce less torque will require a smaller pinion gear to maximize the available power. It may seem counter-intuitive, but a faster spinning motor can sometimes produce more overall speed with a smaller pinion gear (the higher gear ratio will allow the motor to reach maximum rpm faster and with less amp draw from the battery.) If you're overgeared (pinion too large), the motor may not have the torque to reach max rpm, hence the slower top speed.
bunjy814
Awesome information thank you my friend. Yeah the initial part of this series of videos was to just run all the motors I had on a level playing field to see the differences between them, with a view to playing with the gearing in the future.
Thanks for watching buddy 😊👊🏻
Thanks Glenn. Good effort :) Gauranga.
Now you gotta find a TZ motor...lol great video!!
Dave Coxx
Thanks for watching buddy 😊👊🏻
Thanks for another great film Glenn, looks bloody chilly. Was looking forward to the speed run and it didn’t disappoint me. Cold temps not enough grip on the tyres? Superb effort either way.
Thank you Glenn. 😊👍🏻
Dave Pearce
Thanks Dave 😎👊🏻
The temperature will affect the current provided by the lipo battery. Colder temps inhibit the battery chemistry, whereas warmer temps enhance it, within reasonable limits. 3 brothers hobbies posted a great video on lipo resistances which touched on this, if you want to research it further.
Nice Runs 😎
RC Action Australia
Thanks Adam 😊👊🏻
I’d agree the temp and motor age, wear make a difference. Also the charge the battery received could have been slightly different. Either way the AZ, BZ motors are fast for brushed. You can also get more speed from gearing changes which could affect each motor differently. Now on to brushless! Still a great series of videos!
slebdad
Thanks for watching buddy 😎👊🏻
We need more TamiCrack Videos
Gene
Love it 😂👊🏻
Good runs, still very respectable speeds 👌. I think the cold is your enemy here. I've read LiPo's don't like being under degrees 10c. Basically it results in a lower C rating and lower capacity. Good to see a no damage run again, although not as exciting. 😂🤣
RC Hobby Shed
Yeah spot on my friend, don’t worry there’s a few crashes coming 😂👊🏻
love it
Stew- Mac
Cheers Stew 😎👊🏻
Got those nice blue wheelhubs on 2 cars 😁
Richard E3046
Thanks for watching buddy 😊👊🏻
Looking forward to seeing how fast the Tamiya 10.5 is as I have one in my optima turbo with a Team Orion r10 love Tamiya’s to build and look at have the other to run 👍
That’s good going considering the temperature. I don’t think that you’ll be able to get a true and reliable speed until you have better weather.
The only other thing you can do is do all your motor swaps and speed runs on the same day. But -5 degrees is crazy cold. Stay inside mate, that’s like me standing in a paddock do runs at 40+ degrees. You’ll catch a death. I’d just have to dodge snakes and get fried by the heat and worry about starting a fire. That I can tolerate 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Paul Garwood
Lol 😂 Paul
I don’t do snakes 🐍😭😭😭
TAMIYA Legends
truthfully me either! My daughter has more bravado than me when it comes to reptiles, she’s 15 and volunteers at a zoo. No problems with pythons etc.
I nearly fill my britches when I see a lizard, that half a second is enough panic before you realise what it really is.
Considering the most common snake where I come from and grew up is number 2 in the world for deadliness (the Eastern Brown). This where I bash in a paddock! They tend to be more scared of you than you think, you tend not to see them, they will only really attack if you tread on them or corner them. I think the 4 or 5th deadliest (the Tiger Snake) is a lot more aggressive bites more than once but their toxicity is far less. They are not uncommon within the suburbs of Melbourne a city of approximately 6 million, we get a few reports each year. The number 1 is the Inland Taipan, you’ve got about 20 minutes with this bad boy, enough venom per bite to kill a few people, but extremely shy, located in the outback. In saying all of that, we would be lucky to have a handful of deaths a year.
The country isn’t infested with Kangaroos and deadly reptiles and spiders as portrayed.
Yeah could be cold effect on that run! A bit too cold for your plums!
But yeah still quick!
Mad-Bee RC & BB
Absolutely my friend 🥶🥶🥶
Would be interesting to see it under better conditions.
Darth Nagus
Yeah that’s for sure 😊👊🏻
Have you tried contact tyres for speed runs they come pre glued and have excellent grip especially when warm better than sorex but dont last more than a couple of races.
David Harris
Excellent thanks for the feedback David 😎👊🏻
It's brushless time ⚡
Honokami-sama
Oh yeah 😎🚗💨💨💨
They also make the brushes out of 3 different materials. I think the carbon ones are the fastest but wear the quickest. Do you know for sure your brushes are the same material? These super stock motors on 3s are scary fast enough! I just ordered 4 sets of carbon replacement brushes instead of bothering with a brushless setup. For now...... P.s. what video of yours would have your best decal tricks in it? Have you done a water mist one for large stickers? I am nervous about putting on the big ones for the top force, not to mention the mci ones are slightly larger and don't have the vent cutout😭
Peter Renaud
Tbh when it comes to decaling I cut them out perfectly then only apply a very small area at a time with the backing always left on. Also the hairdryer is your friend when decaling, it can come in very handy, buy don’t have it too hot 🥵
An interesting test and series :) just out of interest why wasn't the GT tuned motor tried? Sorry if this is a silly question I am new to the hobby and I do have a GT tuned motor so I am curious. Thanks for posting as always and stay safe.
duff duff
Only reason was I didn’t have one 😂👊🏻
@@TAMIYALegendsfair enough mate :) get me lol I actually have something you don't :) thanks for the reply and the brilliant content. take care mate.
Great vid Glenn. Wow its cold over there in Canada 😱❄️. I was just wondering. I'm still living in the olden days and running 7.2v nimh. What speed do you think it would run on the sport tuned using this battery. Cheers 👍
-5 is a bit parky. That will certainly have an effect on the run. Great vid though.
Gary Rawlins
Thanks Gary 😊👊🏻
Good morning Glen! Pretty fast car! It's terrible the weather is not cooperating with us! Would like to see it on a warmer day. Question..what do you think of the super stock TZ motor ? 53 696 if that helps? Thinking of putting that into a hotshot but now I'm learning from you channel that some are specific. Thanks and keep up the awesome video!!
Mary Venianakis
Hey 👋
My understanding is,
BZ off road
RZ on road
TZ drift
But tbh there’s very little difference between them 👊🏻
thank you soooooo much!! Always learning from you.
The TZ motor would go very well in a HotShot with a ball bearing set. I have a RZ in one (just because it’s Red) lol Cheers
Just a thought will it go quicker if you could get rid off any weight
Still not to bad hey Glenn. What do you think off that motor?
tamiya frog
Well I have to be honest, I’m more a fan of the BZ now, I’ve ran both in buggies and for me the BZ is slightly better, but there’s hardly anything between them 🤔🤷🏼♂️
Still quick mate but don’t think lipos like the cold ??
David Turner
No you’re spot on David + I don’t ether lol 😂🥶🥶🥶
What about super stock tz?
how about the superstock TZ?
erwin bergania
I don’t have one unfortunately 😔
Move the front spool to the rear
James wilson
That’s an interesting idea James 🤔👊🏻
I think if you would have left the belts The Way They Were they would have run faster with this motor.
Brad Kalman
Yep quite possibly Brad 🤔👊🏻
bung the pink cans in just for lols :D
chloe devereaux
🤪🤪🤪
I find with belts especially when racing stock class you want to run the belts as slack as you can without skipping under load. Too tight & your just wasting power
irvine40
Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated 👊🏻
Was thinking that too. For offroading I might run them that tight, but they looked very tight for onroad use. I suspect that some speed was definitely lost there. To be honest, I don't think I run my TRF503 belts that tight. Before running it again, I'd say keep it in the notches, but loosen the tensioners a bit to get some slack.
You can tighten them well by feel. When the motor is out and the wheels are off, make sure it's fairly loose. Turn the spur with your fingers while tightning the tensioners one at a time. As soon as you feel there's a bit more resistance, you back up the tensioner a 16th of a turn. Now you should feel almost as little resistance as you did when you started, but with a belt that is tight enough to run properly. After one pack through, it will have stretched ever so slightly and it is spot on. For a good comparison, leave the belt where it is and run the BZ motor again. That will tell you whoat the belt tensioning did.