It should be extended to cover all major cities in Australia…the high speed trains work great in other countries…because they are more efficient and run on time especially the Shinkansen in Japan.
High speed rail in Australia is uneconomical, due to our low population density. For comparison, the high speed rail between Beijing and Shanghai has catchment population of over 80 million.
@@dont_listen_to_AlboAustralia is like all countries…we will have population growth….It’s only uneconomical because the the LNP say it is….if they get into power they will jump on it and try to convince people they need it…this is just another tactic of the LNP as per usual.
@@dont_listen_to_Albo "low population density" yeah where exactly do most australians live again? in the middle of the simpson desert? is that where we're building trains? everyone lives in a thin line along the east coast, why are you still spewing nonsense about the entire countries density when what matters is the density WHERE THE TRACK IS there are countries in africa and former soviet countries with high speed rail
You’re probably not even old even to remember that it was freight trains that took goods around Australia before truck and semi trailer buggered the roads…you’re just another sheeple trying to be relevant.
The last I saw of this proposal, the Sydney terminus was at Strathfield, and people heading for the city would need to change trains. Whether this is a dedicated connection or a regular commuter train was not stated. To make the trip in 30min means no intermediate stops. That is a lot of Central Coast commuters left standing on the platforms southbof Gosford and key rail junctions such as Hornsby and Epping bypassed. Has Labor hired the Victorian government to do its infrastructure planning?
@TropicAviation the more rail connections, the slower the train. The claimed 30-minute travel time is based on Gosford Strathfield non-stop. Tropic Aviation suggests you understand how much travel time is added when a plane lands en route instead of flying non-stop.
its really dumb and expensive, they should have just made the sydney terminus at rosella as part of its redevelopment and the newcastle terminus out near hexham(empty field) would probably save about 10 billion and increase speed that proposal has the travel time reduced by about 75min
I PROSED A HIGH SPEED TRAIN ROUTE WITH STOPS AT NEWCASTLE INTERCHANGE HAMILTON BROADMEADOW FASSIFERN WYONG OR TUGGERAH GOSFORD HORNSBY STRAITHFIELD CENTRAL WITH THE LOCAL TRAINS USED TO FEED PASSENGERS FROM THE OTHER STATIONS TO THE FAST STOP PLATFORMS
@@rogertull8888 terminus at newcastle interchange and central would be a mess, super expensive, require a lot of slower track, and make it harder to expand either side to extend interstate plus central isnt in the center of sydneys population anyway so itd be way longer for most of sydney
AGAIN. I've heard politicians raise,promise or guarantee 'Hi Speed Rail' in Australia so many times I don't have enough extremities to count them on (in Hex) I won't live long enough to see it implemented.
whats really insane about it is that every single proposal so far has been financially and technically viable and the reason they didnt go ahead was politics
THE OTHER OPTION IS TO USE THE CURRENT TRACKS BETWEEN GOSFORD AND BRISBANE, BUT TO STRAIGHTEN AND LEVEL AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE OF THE TRACKS BETWEEN GOSFORD AND BRISBANE, WHAT TAKES MOST TIME IS THAT TRAINS HAVE TO USE WINDING TRACKS TO CLIMB HILLS, ESPECIALLY IF IT IS A LONG OTR HEAVY TRAIN. I USED TO DRIVE TRAINS BWTWEEN PERTH AND KALGOORLIE, THE OLD PROSPECTOR COULD DO THE 650 KMISH TRIP IN ABOUT 6 HOURS TRAVELLING AT SPEEDS UP TO 130 KM/H, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY OTHER TRAINS YOU EITHER FOLLOWED OR HAD TO WAIT TO CROSS AS THERE WAS ONLY ONE TRACK, FREIGHT TRAINS COULD TAKE 10-11 HOURS FOR THE SAME DISTANCE. STRAIGHTEN, LEVEL AND MAYBE DUPLICATE THE TRACK AND BUILD IT TO RUN PASSENGER TRAINS TO AT LEAST 160KM/H UP TO 200KM/H. THAT WOULD CUT TRAVEL TIME DOWN, DO IT SECTION BY SECTION STARTING WITH THE EASY SECTIONS FIRST, THE ONES WITH THE LEAST TUNNELLING/ VIADUCT'S IN OTHRER WORDS BUILD IT LIKE THEY BUILT THE M1/ PACIFIC HWY GETTING RID OF AS MANY HILLS AND GULLIES/ VALLEYS THAT SLOWED DOWN TRAFFIC
It should run from Newcastle to the new airport and down to Canberra. By passing the CBD would save billions and the new airport has metro links to the CBD of Sydney.
What’s the point of it. It’s gonna cost so much of Taxpayers money and Taxes will go through the roof. Just duplicate and Straighten Sections of tracks to allow better high speed. The real problem in the first place is that NSW’s TrainLink Fleet is very outdated with XPT which was good but is way past it’s lifetime. NSW should be more like QLD with there Rail Systems in some ways.
By now, the electorate would be cynical. The high speed rail initiative appears at regular intervals (particularly near an election), but never proceed any further.
I'm sure people have noticed, but the terrain between northern Sydney and Gosford is very topographically challenging, and complicated by environmental issues that will make the line now under Lane Cove River look easy.. There will also be the usual habit of people wanting it to go to Central station, even though the centre of population of Sydney is now in Parramatta. The building of major motorways in NSW wasn't done in one big Utopian project, but as a set of modest but continuous improvements. Perhaps the same approach should be used for high speed rail. The easier bit is between Gosford and Newcastle (and maybe the soon to be Newcastle International Airport), so perhaps doing only that would be a good start. It also means that the Central Coast and Newcastle would become more closely bonded, and look to each other, rather than to Sydney, for their shared identity and infrastructure.
theres already plans that would have built it in 4 overlapping segment with interconnects to regular rail(so each segment can be used as its finished) going between rosehill with its new development(3 minute metro from paramatta cbd) and hexham an empty field(5 minutes from newcastle cbd) but ofcourse everyone wants to do things differently
@@tacitdionysus3220 fastrackaustralia's proposal, theyre a non profit organization so its not government plans, just private sector plans and guides the newcastle to sydney route they propose is also set up to expand to brisbane and melbourne, which is partly why the terminus at rosehill and hexham are so important, as it wouldnt require slowing down to 60km/h inside the city if passing through
Do you know more money in Australia is spent repairing, upgrading roads and building new roads because of trucks, semi trailers and motorists. I guess not.
@@CatsandJP we should proritise roads because most people prefer driving and its more convienant. The idea that everyone will be happy with a big train is not going to work. we dont have money or population to support it.
@electro_sykes most people dont prefer driving, they just dont have the choice but to drive because the train network is underfunded compared to the road network, and the majority of cities and towns are designed to make cars faster and everything else slower
@electro_sykesif they wanted to Realign and Upgrade the line from Sydney - Newcastle they should’ve done it decades ago. Now that part of the line has to much Rail traffic. For them to do it now it would have major Track closures and effect so many. The only way out is using your car which Driving causes more fatalities. So NSW’s Rail Network has been fucked
@electro_sykes People preferring to drive in the long term is not a good thing. Preference of driving over public transport will only further lead to more road infrastructure destroying land and bring people into the blind mentality that driving is superior...which it's only that way because we have allowed governments and oil/car conglomerates to brainwash out society into car dependency. At the end of the day...oil/car conglomerates know that if done right... public transport beats driving in alot of aspects...so they do what they can to poison society into building and investing cars/road infrastructure.
It probably won't work for the routes shown here but I think if we could establish some good overnight sleeper trains between major cities at a reasonable price, it would be very popular. It can use existing infrastructure as it doesn't need to be fast, and it solves a nights worth of accomodation for the passenger. If, let's say The Overland returned to this format with a nightly frequency, someone could visit Melbourne from Adelaide for a full day without having to pay for a hotel. In that time visiting event's like an AFL game can be done easily. The XPT is losing this which is a disaster but I think it could be cool.
The airline industry will never allow high-speed rail between Brisbane, Sydney, and Melbourne. This is the airline industry's most profitable fight routes.
Why do we need it, utter waste of money , look at Queensland and see how all the infrastructure projects have blown out by Billions.what and 1 Trillion in Federal Debt.
Then get South Korea or China to do it. Australia 🇦🇺 does only property, NDIS and the Voice. Get countries who know about building top infrastructure and transport systems
high speed rail has proven time and time again to be critically important financial infrastructure, even in australia during all the other propsals every single one was profitable when you include its benefits also the first time you build anything its going to be expensive, thats why you need to keep doing it
part of that is because some of your tax money goes towards paying part of the cost to keep it cheap part of it is because you pay for the cost in ways other than money also it isnt as little time as you think when you consider time spent in the airport itself
its pretty amazing how theyve managed to make it so expensive terminating in sydney cbd is stupid and pointless there are already plans for the route that build the thing in segments over the next 12 years for less than 32 bill, its still not going to be cheap though as its the first time we've done this and need to learn and its a mountainous area the leader of the nationals is a moron for thinking this is some sort of vanity project and that theres more important things to do than building critical economic infrastructure as much as there is to complain about labors proposal, its not as if the liberals or nationals are going to actually do anything useful if they get in
@@stevewiles7132 airport line was waiting cause the airport wanted an underground termini while Metro wanted a skyrail of sorts. Besides, the airport has now decided to give in to Metro's demands and construction should begin sooner or later.
Oh here we go it used to be Sydney’s second airport they started sprooking that in the late 1960s now it’s the high speed rail they’ll be still talking about this in 2125
They want a 24 hour airport, and they couldn't make SYD airport 24 hours due to hundreds of thousands of people living under the flight paths. So they built the 2nd airport.
It should be extended to cover all major cities in Australia…the high speed trains work great in other countries…because they are more efficient and run on time especially the Shinkansen in Japan.
High speed rail in Australia is uneconomical, due to our low population density.
For comparison, the high speed rail between Beijing and Shanghai has catchment population of over 80 million.
@@dont_listen_to_AlboAustralia is like all countries…we will have population growth….It’s only uneconomical because the the LNP say it is….if they get into power they will jump on it and try to convince people they need it…this is just another tactic of the LNP as per usual.
Wait till you see how much they will charge a ticket. This is Australia, it won't be affordable for the average punter
@@ACDZ123 it'll turn out like Concorde, a luxury for the megarich. And we already have that, in the form of The Ghan and trains like that.
@@dont_listen_to_Albo "low population density"
yeah where exactly do most australians live again? in the middle of the simpson desert? is that where we're building trains?
everyone lives in a thin line along the east coast, why are you still spewing nonsense about the entire countries density when what matters is the density WHERE THE TRACK IS
there are countries in africa and former soviet countries with high speed rail
Cheaper than Victoria's railway loop around Melbourne.
Bull Shit Labor has run this 5 times in my lifetime
You’re probably not even old even to remember that it was freight trains that took goods around Australia before truck and semi trailer buggered the roads…you’re just another sheeple trying to be relevant.
The last I saw of this proposal, the Sydney terminus was at Strathfield, and people heading for the city would need to change trains. Whether this is a dedicated connection or a regular commuter train was not stated. To make the trip in 30min means no intermediate stops. That is a lot of Central Coast commuters left standing on the platforms southbof Gosford and key rail junctions such as Hornsby and Epping bypassed. Has Labor hired the Victorian government to do its infrastructure planning?
They already have rail connections plus new railways could be made to support the hsr
@TropicAviation the more rail connections, the slower the train. The claimed 30-minute travel time is based on Gosford Strathfield non-stop. Tropic Aviation suggests you understand how much travel time is added when a plane lands en route instead of flying non-stop.
its really dumb and expensive, they should have just made the sydney terminus at rosella as part of its redevelopment and the newcastle terminus out near hexham(empty field)
would probably save about 10 billion and increase speed
that proposal has the travel time reduced by about 75min
I PROSED A HIGH SPEED TRAIN ROUTE WITH STOPS AT
NEWCASTLE INTERCHANGE
HAMILTON
BROADMEADOW
FASSIFERN
WYONG OR TUGGERAH
GOSFORD
HORNSBY
STRAITHFIELD
CENTRAL
WITH THE LOCAL TRAINS USED TO FEED PASSENGERS FROM THE OTHER STATIONS TO THE FAST STOP PLATFORMS
@@rogertull8888 terminus at newcastle interchange and central would be a mess, super expensive, require a lot of slower track, and make it harder to expand either side to extend interstate
plus central isnt in the center of sydneys population anyway so itd be way longer for most of sydney
AGAIN. I've heard politicians raise,promise or guarantee 'Hi Speed Rail' in Australia so many times I don't have enough extremities to count them on (in Hex)
I won't live long enough to see it implemented.
whats really insane about it is that every single proposal so far has been financially and technically viable
and the reason they didnt go ahead was politics
THE OTHER OPTION IS TO USE THE CURRENT TRACKS BETWEEN GOSFORD AND BRISBANE, BUT TO STRAIGHTEN AND LEVEL AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE OF THE TRACKS BETWEEN GOSFORD AND BRISBANE, WHAT TAKES MOST TIME IS THAT TRAINS HAVE TO USE WINDING TRACKS TO CLIMB HILLS, ESPECIALLY IF IT IS A LONG OTR HEAVY TRAIN.
I USED TO DRIVE TRAINS BWTWEEN PERTH AND KALGOORLIE, THE OLD PROSPECTOR COULD DO THE 650 KMISH TRIP IN ABOUT 6 HOURS TRAVELLING AT SPEEDS UP TO 130 KM/H, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY OTHER TRAINS YOU EITHER FOLLOWED OR HAD TO WAIT TO CROSS AS THERE WAS ONLY ONE TRACK, FREIGHT TRAINS COULD TAKE 10-11 HOURS FOR THE SAME DISTANCE.
STRAIGHTEN, LEVEL AND MAYBE DUPLICATE THE TRACK AND BUILD IT TO RUN PASSENGER TRAINS TO AT LEAST 160KM/H UP TO 200KM/H.
THAT WOULD CUT TRAVEL TIME DOWN, DO IT SECTION BY SECTION STARTING WITH THE EASY SECTIONS FIRST, THE ONES WITH THE LEAST TUNNELLING/ VIADUCT'S
IN OTHRER WORDS BUILD IT LIKE THEY BUILT THE M1/ PACIFIC HWY GETTING RID OF AS MANY HILLS AND GULLIES/ VALLEYS THAT SLOWED DOWN TRAFFIC
Please lower your voice
@@friendlychat34 Yeah but the people running the country are so old you need to raise your voice so they can actually hear
Dont support it Vicos tried the same, theyre billions in debt and funneled the funding into admin rather than construction.
It should run from Newcastle to the new airport and down to Canberra. By passing the CBD would save billions and the new airport has metro links to the CBD of Sydney.
What’s the point of it. It’s gonna cost so much of Taxpayers money and Taxes will go through the roof. Just duplicate and Straighten Sections of tracks to allow better high speed. The real problem in the first place is that NSW’s TrainLink Fleet is very outdated with XPT which was good but is way past it’s lifetime. NSW should be more like QLD with there Rail Systems in some ways.
By now, the electorate would be cynical. The high speed rail initiative appears at regular intervals (particularly near an election), but never proceed any further.
Not without a few million spent on feasibility studies each go around.
I'm sure people have noticed, but the terrain between northern Sydney and Gosford is very topographically challenging, and complicated by environmental issues that will make the line now under Lane Cove River look easy.. There will also be the usual habit of people wanting it to go to Central station, even though the centre of population of Sydney is now in Parramatta.
The building of major motorways in NSW wasn't done in one big Utopian project, but as a set of modest but continuous improvements. Perhaps the same approach should be used for high speed rail. The easier bit is between Gosford and Newcastle (and maybe the soon to be Newcastle International Airport), so perhaps doing only that would be a good start. It also means that the Central Coast and Newcastle would become more closely bonded, and look to each other, rather than to Sydney, for their shared identity and infrastructure.
theres already plans that would have built it in 4 overlapping segment with interconnects to regular rail(so each segment can be used as its finished) going between rosehill with its new development(3 minute metro from paramatta cbd) and hexham an empty field(5 minutes from newcastle cbd)
but ofcourse everyone wants to do things differently
@ That’s interesting. Are they in public domain? If so I’ll do a search.
@@tacitdionysus3220 fastrackaustralia's proposal, theyre a non profit organization
so its not government plans, just private sector plans and guides
the newcastle to sydney route they propose is also set up to expand to brisbane and melbourne, which is partly why the terminus at rosehill and hexham are so important, as it wouldnt require slowing down to 60km/h inside the city if passing through
I wanna know how much they have spent on just looking into it, I bet it's in the millions before a hammer is lifted
far too much, always studying and never doing
big issue in english speaking countries when it comes to high speed rail
That’s 32 billion Labor dollars as well , you can at least double that once the Unions get involved plus the completion blow out to.
Waste of money. We are better off just upgrading and realigning the existing infrastructure
Do you know more money in Australia is spent repairing, upgrading roads and building new roads because of trucks, semi trailers and motorists. I guess not.
@@CatsandJP we should proritise roads because most people prefer driving and its more convienant. The idea that everyone will be happy with a big train is not going to work. we dont have money or population to support it.
@electro_sykes most people dont prefer driving, they just dont have the choice but to drive because the train network is underfunded compared to the road network, and the majority of cities and towns are designed to make cars faster and everything else slower
@electro_sykesif they wanted to Realign and Upgrade the line from Sydney - Newcastle they should’ve done it decades ago. Now that part of the line has to much Rail traffic. For them to do it now it would have major Track closures and effect so many. The only way out is using your car which Driving causes more fatalities. So NSW’s Rail Network has been fucked
@electro_sykes People preferring to drive in the long term is not a good thing.
Preference of driving over public transport will only further lead to more road infrastructure destroying land and bring people into the blind mentality that driving is superior...which it's only that way because we have allowed governments and oil/car conglomerates to brainwash out society into car dependency.
At the end of the day...oil/car conglomerates know that if done right... public transport beats driving in alot of aspects...so they do what they can to poison society into building and investing cars/road infrastructure.
It probably won't work for the routes shown here but I think if we could establish some good overnight sleeper trains between major cities at a reasonable price, it would be very popular. It can use existing infrastructure as it doesn't need to be fast, and it solves a nights worth of accomodation for the passenger. If, let's say The Overland returned to this format with a nightly frequency, someone could visit Melbourne from Adelaide for a full day without having to pay for a hotel. In that time visiting event's like an AFL game can be done easily. The XPT is losing this which is a disaster but I think it could be cool.
The airline industry will never allow high-speed rail between Brisbane, Sydney, and Melbourne. This is the airline industry's most profitable fight routes.
They don't get a say
They been talking about it for 50 years and Japan started building theres 50 years ago and added more since.
$32 billion doesnt seem too bad...just a tad more than what sydney metro is currently.
Would the cost really be an issue of Guilty Gladys was still premiere of the state???
;)
So...we could get like, 10 of these for the cost of those stupid fucking submarines?
Would this be a feasibility study?
Would be more worthwhile for our govt to do this than give billions to Ukraine...
Good start building. We need modern transport for our country to keep up with the developed world
Im 22 now, will I be alive to see it happen?
Here we go, election season. Promise a high speed rail.
Over 50 years they've said about this.
😆😅🤣😂
and every single propsal thats come out has been found to be technically and economically feasible
then cancelled due to political bull
"New documents" = costs from a study done 2 years ago? Crap journalism.
Deep Underground Military Bases called DUMBS have trains that can travel at 1500 kph and we get Crap.
Why do we need it, utter waste of money , look at Queensland and see how all the infrastructure projects have blown out by Billions.what and 1 Trillion in Federal Debt.
Then get South Korea or China to do it. Australia 🇦🇺 does only property, NDIS and the Voice. Get countries who know about building top infrastructure and transport systems
high speed rail has proven time and time again to be critically important financial infrastructure, even in australia during all the other propsals
every single one was profitable when you include its benefits
also the first time you build anything its going to be expensive, thats why you need to keep doing it
I said the Other Day, The old High Speed Rail, Election Chestnut should be coming out any Day Soon.
meanwhile Air Cheapo will fly rtn for under $100 in half the time, next??
part of that is because some of your tax money goes towards paying part of the cost to keep it cheap
part of it is because you pay for the cost in ways other than money
also it isnt as little time as you think when you consider time spent in the airport itself
thats code for 100 billion
Just let the Chinese do it for a fraction pf the cost and drill all the tunnels for the planed Metro . We should have some change over then.
Do study indonesia High speed rail
Cheaper than bankrolling a war
its pretty amazing how theyve managed to make it so expensive
terminating in sydney cbd is stupid and pointless
there are already plans for the route that build the thing in segments over the next 12 years for less than 32 bill, its still not going to be cheap though as its the first time we've done this and need to learn and its a mountainous area
the leader of the nationals is a moron for thinking this is some sort of vanity project and that theres more important things to do than building critical economic infrastructure
as much as there is to complain about labors proposal, its not as if the liberals or nationals are going to actually do anything useful if they get in
2019,2020 East coast fires = bullet train map
Do you have a link
Interesting!
@@donaghocallaghan8302 links are for followers
Use your grey matter
How much of that would go into paying off the local spirit gods?
It will never happen in Australia
Imagine hiw expensive the tickets will be? Australia will make you take a loan to afford it lol
pollution transport stop it
They would get all that money back, with huge interest included, in no time. ALP always thinking ahead of everyone else.
Both parties have been talking about it for thirty years or more like every thing else in Australia
... < laughing uncontrollably > ...
@@stephenbarrett7064 The Tullamarine airport line comes to mind, first raised when the airport was being built, still waiting.
@@stevewiles7132 airport line was waiting cause the airport wanted an underground termini while Metro wanted a skyrail of sorts. Besides, the airport has now decided to give in to Metro's demands and construction should begin sooner or later.
Oh here we go it used to be Sydney’s second airport they started sprooking that in the late 1960s now it’s the high speed rail they’ll be still talking about this in 2125
They want a 24 hour airport, and they couldn't make SYD airport 24 hours due to hundreds of thousands of people living under the flight paths. So they built the 2nd airport.
Waste of money !!! Make our lives easier by spending this money to pay off ATO bills or something to help people !!!
Thus helps people
Cheaper than bankrolling a war