I absolutely love these types of video when Wes shows us new equipment and explains how they work and the difference between different models and different brands. Thank you for the informative and educational Video, Wes.
Fun fact The new CR series combines use the same gearbox on the back of the engine as the tr96 The box was a major over engineer for the TR, its rated to 1000hp I dout its identical but the basic internals and design are a match The bin extensions are electric folded.of theyre a proper closed bin If they dont fully seal then they're a manual close amd open That what we run in Australia We only close them for cleaning We're running an older 9070 (older version of this one videoed) And a new 9.90
This was a great video. Your knowledge of your industry is huge, and I for one, really appreciate it. You are an inspiration in that case. I hope you decide to do more of these types of videos.Again,Thank You.
I like your no nonsense analysis of the machines in this video. The makers of these machines would do well to actually ask you what they need to do, as I don't think you would compromise yourself and tell them what they want to hear. Not that they will do that, I think your robust style would scare them away. LoL.
Can you make a video about what you put on your hay fields? Lime, fertilizer, manure, compost.... You always make an awesome crop of hay and I'm interested in how you do it exactly, how many tons you put on per acre and stuff like that. Thanks for the awesome video's!
I've put 17000 acres on a Big M 420 and about 4000 on a Big M 450. I've also run a Big M 1 and 2. The 420 and 450 have a nicer cab and monitor. I love the redesign of the 450 but the 420 will out mow the 450. I don't know why but in heavy crop the 420 can go faster. Also they all only go 25mph on the road.
Big M's only go 40km/h, yea maybe 1 or 2 more but that is it. 400 and 420 are the same as Big M2, same problems and a few updates. For the big win take a 450, it is completely redesigned, more power, less fuel consumption roadspeed at 1200rpm/ mowing at 1600rpm, up to 25km/h mow speed, mow drivetrain with propshafts, easyer controls etc. The downside of the Big M's still are the weight, width, height and the bad driveability on the roads. Well my opinion by running the machines in the holiday period of my fellow worker s. Test them before buying, try at least 100 to 150 acres of mowing.
Saw for sale 2019 KRONE BIG M 450CR roller conditioners. 266 Engine hours. 192 Cutting Hours. Krone factory extended warranty runs until May of 2022. $395,000
Guy down the way is running a couple of Claas Lexions, buddy out back of me just bought a Gleaner S97...if I had the money they have in combines I would never have to work another day in my life.
@@f0rumrr triple mowers turn a tractor into self propelled mower with wing mowers hooked to 3 point so same as big m but can drop mowers off and utilize tractor elsewhere. However if can't use an existing tractor than the big m is more feasible. It does look like the big m can merge when cutting which would work good if used in corn stalks.
Crop doesn't change quickly, every part in the 7.90 is different in material, design, forging technology or simply position but everything in the machine outside of the DEF tank and the fart-proof seat cushion performs the exact same jobs as on a TR75.
There is a youtuber who farms in Canada and he has an army of new combines. Think he farms something like 50,000 acres. Air compreser is used for blowing off the machine mainly so they don't catch on fire.
How much hay you have to produce and sell to get that value bay? When will be machine payed off and start making depreciation found for next new one? Great video and introduction.
The only thing that scares me about those newer machines is all the added electronic stuff..... I think the combines from the early to late 2000s are probably the best combine era, with New Holland's CRs being awesome. There is a nice balance between electronic and mechanical with failsafes. Even from your TR to the newer machines they do have very similar characteristics.
There is a dairy farm up the road from me. He bought a used big M and he only does a fraction of hay you do. Yes I think it's time to finally consider owning one.
Maybe someone will chime in about "steel" rollers in comparison to rubber rollers, and impellers? I certainly agree with you about impellers over rubber rollers. Jury is still out on steel rollers?
Hey Wes, what’s the ballpark MPG you’re getting on your new pickup? I drive similar conditions as you. Kicking around buying a new pickup and I don’t want or need another diesel. Thanks for the videos.
10.90 model is the combine with the most capacity in the world, after 5 years of soild results, jd is starting to copy and experiment with their design
How long would it take you to go down the road 30 mile and cut 200 acres on your wind rower how and the big m and the new big m . Would an oshcosh be any youse on a farm or just fun
It would be really nice if Messick's would send that up and allow you to demo it. I'm a John Deere guy but they do make nice combine. Jeff Reymond can really fill you in. Have a great day
@Jeff Reymond ELM's opinion of a piece of machinery is by how good it looks. He knows very little about the mechanic nature of the machine. I will say I do like the twin rotors on the NH. Been waiting for years for deere to build one. Deere's bullet rotor are great in beans but leave a little to be desired in corn.
How much does the New Holland chew up the straw? We had trouble making small square bales of straw that went through a rotary combine because they would grind the straw to much.
@Jeff Reymond I have never ran a rotary. Maybe one of the reasons Deere was later to switching. There is still a lot of straw baled in my area for bedding.
We have a convential deere just for that purpose... way better straw... the deere rotaries are just as bad as any rotary combine for straw... depends on the condition of the straw to.
Flails are better any way. Compression rollers are nice until you run something through them that you didn't see... cost of repairs is way too much. Price wise on those machines, depends on your operation if it's too much or not. Get yourself a lowboy trailer or 2 and do your own hauling, that would help you with travel speed. Now, with those mowers, you're still going to have an issue of looking behind you on both your right and left sides. Now days, everyone is after comfort. Great video, cheers :) P.S. NH should've just stayed in haying equipment but, it is what it is. Never cared for NH once they bought out Ford.
Is that combine the same machine as a red one? I now case new holland uses the same hay equipment with different paint jobs for case ih or new holland but I don't know about combines?
They are similar chassis (NH) but the threshing is very different and the Case IH flagship series combines use the long, high lifting feederhouse design, though there could be two different lines of New Holland combines too. 🤷♂️
@@TheGhostOfLuciasClay I saw that video when he originally posted it. Back then the big m was available. So my question is based on Wesley's decision to now look at speeding up the mowing!
They just sell their engines to equipment manufactures. Mercedes used to build tractors (MB-trac) but they stopped with that in 1991. I think Claas, Ropa, Grimme and Krone. Use or used their engines.
@@chadjustice8560 Actually fiat bought out both of them... thats why you have CNH. They are not compleatly different.... they share the same cabs and engine I know for sure...
Mowing team - For simplicity find another John Deere W235 windrower with Krone folding front mower (add hydraulic motor) th-cam.com/video/ke4TkzR469o/w-d-xo.html . If too slow use a 6x6 truck to pull the windrowers to the field on a trailer. Maybe just a bit complex pre-loved Claas Xerion 3300 trac VC rotating cab with Claas triples th-cam.com/video/wtkU3B_29Xw/w-d-xo.html and take off mowers so the 330 hp xerion can be used on a baler or stacker or muck wagon.
Wes they are all Awesome till you get the price... then many dont think they need a new one. caseInternational hasn't changed much either since the 1980s nor did Deere... Deere really has been last to innovate except for the soundgard cab... just saying... US EPA screwed up Mercedes engines which is why you dont see them in diameter trucks anymore...
For corn new Holland may be ok but for cereals and canola and the like they threw way to many bushels over the top and the fuel usage compared to a CLAAS of same size is astronomical
Depending on area, operator. I have seen a Deere 9860 walk away from a claas and give a better sample. They all are so close to each other it doesn't really matter what color. If you have the dealer support and had luck with it run it.
Chad Justice yeah the jd walked away from the claas because the grain went over the top. We done the tests with a drop pan time and time again this fall .plus if your dealing with a lot of straw like we are the the Jd doesn’t even come close to chopping it as good as the claas . It’s not just about grain loss it’s also about straw management for the next years seeding ,and yes operator and such do play a role but not as much as you may think
If only you had an extra 200k to spend. Only problem with a big m, is could you trust anyone else to drive it. And complex and expensive i can imagine they are to maintain.
lots of them here and mostly being driven by employees .........somebody with their wits about them will do fine in one .............large stones hidden in the grass crops will be a different story ........local contractor got one 2nd hand and after the first day he reckoned the ...m... stood for mistake .........garage took it back and he got a fresher one from them and it went well till it burnt ......
Instead of buying a big m why don’t you buy a newer tractor and run a triple mower set up on it? Yeah it will cost more forsure but wouldn’t it be benifical to have an extra tractor in the yard for those just incase moments
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I absolutely love these types of video when Wes shows us new equipment and explains how they work and the difference between different models and different brands. Thank you for the informative and educational Video, Wes.
I know Im kinda randomly asking but does anybody know of a good site to stream new movies online?
Fun fact
The new CR series combines use the same gearbox on the back of the engine as the tr96
The box was a major over engineer for the TR, its rated to 1000hp
I dout its identical but the basic internals and design are a match
The bin extensions are electric folded.of theyre a proper closed bin
If they dont fully seal then they're a manual close amd open
That what we run in Australia
We only close them for cleaning
We're running an older 9070 (older version of this one videoed)
And a new 9.90
New Holland makes the best combine!!
This was a great video. Your knowledge of your industry is huge, and I for one, really appreciate it. You are an inspiration in that case. I hope you decide to do more of these types of videos.Again,Thank You.
You can turn off the DONG for the seatbelt. Look in the owners manual it tells you how
Ran a TR 98. Great machine! Updated to a cr9040. Even better! Priced a 7.90. HOLY CRAP$$$$
Air system to hook up air hose an nozzle to blow chaff an shit off before transportation, that's a nice combine
You can disable the seat belt ding dong. It’s called belt minder in the owner’s manual.
Those latest NH combines come with FPT Industrial Cursor 9, 11, 13, and 16 according to the spamphlet. They all have a DEF addiction though.
The smallest Case IH combine, built on the same line as the NH, uses the Iveco NEF engine.
Still FPT just not in the Cursor engine line.
It’s always a good video when you’re reviewing equipment. There is a lot of those big Ms in Ireland and I believe the beds can be bother
Thanks for the review on machines .
Always enjoy your videos Mr.Wes!!
Awesome video thanks for sharing
👍👍 Good things to come on the onelonleyfarm 😎
Very nice combine. Wish class still made the cougar. That thing is huge but 400k+ for a mower made them discontinue production
gone home and cried lol awe video you had maked
Wes - nice review !! it is always fun to window shop :) that will be really cool when you are able to get the krone mower !!
Very nice video, thank you.
I like your no nonsense analysis of the machines in this video. The makers of these machines would do well to actually ask you what they need to do, as I don't think you would compromise yourself and tell them what they want to hear. Not that they will do that, I think your robust style would scare them away. LoL.
Interesting thanks wes
Can you make a video about what you put on your hay fields? Lime, fertilizer, manure, compost.... You always make an awesome crop of hay and I'm interested in how you do it exactly, how many tons you put on per acre and stuff like that. Thanks for the awesome video's!
I've put 17000 acres on a Big M 420 and about 4000 on a Big M 450. I've also run a Big M 1 and 2. The 420 and 450 have a nicer cab and monitor. I love the redesign of the 450 but the 420 will out mow the 450. I don't know why but in heavy crop the 420 can go faster. Also they all only go 25mph on the road.
Big M's only go 40km/h, yea maybe 1 or 2 more but that is it. 400 and 420 are the same as Big M2, same problems and a few updates. For the big win take a 450, it is completely redesigned, more power, less fuel consumption roadspeed at 1200rpm/ mowing at 1600rpm, up to 25km/h mow speed, mow drivetrain with propshafts, easyer controls etc.
The downside of the Big M's still are the weight, width, height and the bad driveability
on the roads. Well my opinion by running the machines in the holiday period of my fellow worker
s.
Test them before buying, try at least 100 to 150 acres of mowing.
Saw for sale
2019 KRONE BIG M 450CR
roller conditioners. 266 Engine hours. 192 Cutting Hours. Krone factory extended warranty runs until May of 2022.
$395,000
I believe the 96 was made from 1986.. with cat engines... to 1990 to 1992 with the Ford Diesels.... 1993 was TR 97
Guy down the way is running a couple of Claas Lexions, buddy out back of me just bought a Gleaner S97...if I had the money they have in combines I would never have to work another day in my life.
Lovely tour thank you. Henry in the uk
What would cost and speed diference be with a tractor with triple mower. Wouldn't you be able to use 7530 on a triple mower?
He been using self propelled mowers so long and seen the benefits for working in his area, I dont think he could ever go back to towed.
@@f0rumrr triple mowers turn a tractor into self propelled mower with wing mowers hooked to 3 point so same as big m but can drop mowers off and utilize tractor elsewhere. However if can't use an existing tractor than the big m is more feasible. It does look like the big m can merge when cutting which would work good if used in corn stalks.
Crop doesn't change quickly, every part in the 7.90 is different in material, design, forging technology or simply position but everything in the machine outside of the DEF tank and the fart-proof seat cushion performs the exact same jobs as on a TR75.
thanks for the tour
Remember you driving a Big M a couple tears ago in the winter at Messicks. Be nice next spring if they did a demo.
Since you have trucks and trailers, you could buy the slower Big M, and put it on a trailer for the far away fields?
There is a youtuber who farms in Canada and he has an army of new combines. Think he farms something like 50,000 acres. Air compreser is used for blowing off the machine mainly so they don't catch on fire.
Mike Mitchell!
@@markpontes4457 yes that's him.
He has the fendt Ideal combines.
I remember when you were checking that baler once and found it pre-loaded with a load 💩
😉😳🤣😂😅 up topside
I was just about to say, I admire your strength to avoid talking about the Krones next to the combines.
I drive a cx8070 great combines new hollands
Paint that combine green they would own the market.
Come on Wes! Buy a new combine and get them to throw in a new Big M in on the deal! What’s a couple of million dollars, between friends!?!
How much hay you have to produce and sell to get that value bay? When will be machine payed off and start making depreciation found for next new one?
Great video and introduction.
The only thing that scares me about those newer machines is all the added electronic stuff..... I think the combines from the early to late 2000s are probably the best combine era, with New Holland's CRs being awesome. There is a nice balance between electronic and mechanical with failsafes. Even from your TR to the newer machines they do have very similar characteristics.
I agree
The motor is an iveco cruiser
There is a dairy farm up the road from me. He bought a used big M and he only does a fraction of hay you do. Yes I think it's time to finally consider owning one.
Maybe someone will chime in about "steel" rollers in comparison to rubber rollers, and impellers? I certainly agree with you about impellers over rubber rollers. Jury is still out on steel rollers?
That claas jag has bn sitting for a while dosent look like an older model either as it has the flat roof profile .
She’d pry list around 500k without heads.
Nice
Wes we gotta get u in that new combine lol
Hey Wes, what’s the ballpark MPG you’re getting on your new pickup? I drive similar conditions as you. Kicking around buying a new pickup and I don’t want or need another diesel. Thanks for the videos.
Unfortunately from what I heard from a friend that works at NH is they are moving them to China. Not much left like that made in the USA.
Cool!
checked out the New Holland site for prices on new combines. All it said was: Whose your banker. I'mma gonna guess I'm not buying one any time soon ;)
Really cool video Wes . Does krone make combines? Thanks for sharing Wes
10.90 model is the combine with the most capacity in the world, after 5 years of soild results, jd is starting to copy and experiment with their design
Spot on buddy ,be good to see a test between the two .
At 8:40ish it looks like the left front tire had a bead leak at one time or currently. Hopefully they used TireJect because that shit really works
With three Krone bailers running : Yes you need to step up your mowing game.
Your two mowers were just keeping up with one Krone bailer.
I like the look of NH Combines
Hiya Wes
Very nice review, lucky your TR is in mid life and no need for replacement lol
If you buy one you can get stalk choppers to put on it
thay are deflectors for the returns , nothing to do with air flow
How long would it take you to go down the road 30 mile and cut 200 acres on your wind rower how and the big m and the new big m . Would an oshcosh be any youse on a farm or just fun
"There's the ding dong". Yeah, driving the truck,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.
Wes what is the MPG of the new pickup?
It would be really nice if Messick's would send that up and allow you to demo it. I'm a John Deere guy but they do make nice combine. Jeff Reymond can really fill you in. Have a great day
Elm trust me when you watch this
th-cam.com/video/fVSapwW8eQc/w-d-xo.html
@Jeff Reymond
You dont have the same... let's just say stigma.
Bwaaaahaha
@Jeff Reymond ELM's opinion of a piece of machinery is by how good it looks. He knows very little about the mechanic nature of the machine. I will say I do like the twin rotors on the NH. Been waiting for years for deere to build one. Deere's bullet rotor are great in beans but leave a little to be desired in corn.
@@PaulsonFarms do your research John Deere did build one with twin rotors.
How much does the New Holland chew up the straw? We had trouble making small square bales of straw that went through a rotary combine because they would grind the straw to much.
@Jeff Reymond I have never ran a rotary. Maybe one of the reasons Deere was later to switching. There is still a lot of straw baled in my area for bedding.
We have a convential deere just for that purpose... way better straw... the deere rotaries are just as bad as any rotary combine for straw... depends on the condition of the straw to.
That cab top has a gleaner look to it
Flails are better any way. Compression rollers are nice until you run something through them that you didn't see... cost of repairs is way too much.
Price wise on those machines, depends on your operation if it's too much or not. Get yourself a lowboy trailer or 2 and do your own hauling, that would help you with travel speed. Now, with those mowers, you're still going to have an issue of looking behind you on both your right and left sides. Now days, everyone is after comfort. Great video, cheers :)
P.S. NH should've just stayed in haying equipment but, it is what it is. Never cared for NH once they bought out Ford.
few big m around here and they are not that slow on the road .......25 mph is fast enough
It's the other way around. Ford bought New Holland. Quality has been going down ever since Ford sold its Ag division off.
Why would you prefer a Big M over a tractor triple mower?
Is that combine the same machine as a red one? I now case new holland uses the same hay equipment with different paint jobs for case ih or new holland but I don't know about combines?
They are similar chassis (NH) but the threshing is very different and the Case IH flagship series combines use the long, high lifting feederhouse design, though there could be two different lines of New Holland combines too. 🤷♂️
They use the same cabs to... But the Caseih is a single long rotor ... New Hollands run 2 smaller diameter rotors
Did you visit Eric?
Would you or have you considered butterfly mowers????
th-cam.com/video/37eC78LbhtA/w-d-xo.html
@@TheGhostOfLuciasClay I saw that video when he originally posted it. Back then the big m was available. So my question is based on Wesley's decision to now look at speeding up the mowing!
Would you really want that tire tread on Krone Big M?
Would they not send u out a demo on a krone big m
If new holland only used a little thicker metal, their combines would be second to none.
Do you ever think about a Claas Cougar?
Wes- it sounds like FCA is a lot like Daimler where they have their hand in everything. Ford used to make farm stuff. I do not think GM ever did.
They just sell their engines to equipment manufactures. Mercedes used to build tractors (MB-trac) but they stopped with that in 1991. I think Claas, Ropa, Grimme and Krone. Use or used their engines.
Wonder when NH merged with CIH how much their combine design merged.
They didn't merge. New holland bought out case and the combines are completely different from each other.
@@chadjustice8560 Actually fiat bought out both of them... thats why you have CNH. They are not compleatly different.... they share the same cabs and engine I know for sure...
Need to get a damn demo of the big m, I think you spent enough money with them to get a demo of something
Mowing team - For simplicity find another John Deere W235 windrower with Krone folding front mower (add hydraulic motor) th-cam.com/video/ke4TkzR469o/w-d-xo.html . If too slow use a 6x6 truck to pull the windrowers to the field on a trailer. Maybe just a bit complex pre-loved Claas Xerion 3300 trac VC rotating cab with Claas triples
th-cam.com/video/wtkU3B_29Xw/w-d-xo.html and take off mowers so the 330 hp xerion can be used on a baler or stacker or muck wagon.
NH combine...why fix it if it ain't broken 👍
electrical unfolded.
The Big M 500 actually went out of production. The machine was just to expensive.
Yea nobody could afford it and it was too big for most people
Wes they are all Awesome till you get the price... then many dont think they need a new one. caseInternational hasn't changed much either since the 1980s nor did Deere... Deere really has been last to innovate except for the soundgard cab... just saying... US EPA screwed up Mercedes engines which is why you dont see them in diameter trucks anymore...
For corn new Holland may be ok but for cereals and canola and the like they threw way to many bushels over the top and the fuel usage compared to a CLAAS of same size is astronomical
Depending on area, operator. I have seen a Deere 9860 walk away from a claas and give a better sample. They all are so close to each other it doesn't really matter what color. If you have the dealer support and had luck with it run it.
Chad Justice yeah the jd walked away from the claas because the grain went over the top. We done the tests with a drop pan time and time again this fall .plus if your dealing with a lot of straw like we are the the Jd doesn’t even come close to chopping it as good as the claas . It’s not just about grain loss it’s also about straw management for the next years seeding ,and yes operator and such do play a role but not as much as you may think
Did you drop in and see Neil?
They told me he was there, I was tied up. We do talk frequently.
Would you ever consider doing custom combining
Yeah! Then I could retire my clapped-out Gleaner!
If only you had an extra 200k to spend. Only problem with a big m, is could you trust anyone else to drive it. And complex and expensive i can imagine they are to maintain.
lots of them here and mostly being driven by employees .........somebody with their wits about them will do fine in one .............large stones hidden in the grass crops will be a different story ........local contractor got one 2nd hand and after the first day he reckoned the ...m... stood for mistake .........garage took it back and he got a fresher one from them and it went well till it burnt ......
New holland was made in Grand island nebraska
Take a look at a gleaner. Even more simple.
Isn't the MB parts shop where all the hired help has kids going to ivy league college? You thought JD was high $'s !!!!!
When the heck are going to start cutting your corn?
lol thats not a fan thats the return augur outlet.
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I thought you would never look at a New Holland machine again?
A think he quite like there combines going off the fact he had two tr at one point
He ment the balers
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Looking about 190 to 200K for a 5 year old one of those NH combines. Bargain 🤣
Instead of buying a big m why don’t you buy a newer tractor and run a triple mower set up on it? Yeah it will cost more forsure but wouldn’t it be benifical to have an extra tractor in the yard for those just incase moments
I run a Case threshing machine every year and it is not much different than the inside of today's machines
Gotta kill those bugs. Spotted lantern fly, extremely invasive bug killing plants.
Jesus. That Ford door chime drives me fuckin crazy, turn it off!
Did you know you can shut the seatbelt dinger off in a ford