Possibly a decoupling capacitor. You connect these to a signal line down to ground. Capacitors have a 'resistance' that is inversely proportional to the frequency of the voltage. So to a DC voltage the capacitor looks like an infinite resistance or open circuit. But if there is any noise on the line that will have a frequency so the capacitor will look like a resistance, the higher the frequency the lower the resistance. The idea is to make the capacitor look like a zero resistance or short to ground to any interference but an open circuit to any DC component - so it removes the noise. They are often added 'just in case; and this is why circuits will work without them. In the worse case you might have a bit of noise on the signal but unlikely to cause any issues - more of a concern with audio/visual circuitry.
Often referred to as a filter cap. Typically used on a dc circuit to remove any stray AC signals by shorting it to ground. 👍 I can't see the traces well enough on the video, but It's very likely.
@@del4you2 I said possibly - you keep coming up with these snappy put-downs. Why don’t you actually contribute and tell us what it is. You seem to be the sort of person I encounter a lot at work, very quick to put down other peoples work but very slow to put forward their own work.
Great answer. Did anyone else hear the pops on the audio when Steve leaned into the now oscillating fan? 🤔Either I'm hearing things or I think you nailed it, cheers 🍺
If you take a piece of tape, role it inside out, stick it to your bench. Then press your component you want to test on it... it won't wind up in the 9th dimension.😂🤣
An opto-isolator separates two parts of a circuit with an air gap. So rather than have a wire joining the points on the circuit, one point drives an LED and the other side as a photo-diode. So you can pass a signal between the two even though there is a physical gap inside the chip - the two points are not electrically connected together. A typical use is where you want a digital connection between a part of a circuit operating at a high voltage with another part of the circuit which is running at a low voltage. So you form a digital connection across the airgap in the chip with light and there is no chance of dangerous high voltages getting across and damaging sensitive components on the other side.
That is the fun thing with capacitance you can take the capacitor out and still have a capacitance reading. So taking it out fixed. This can happen as well. When I did my electrical courses in the 1990s if the insulation resistance less than 0.5 Mohms or 500000 Kohms then you had to fail it it could allowing electricity to flow. But then we were also putting 500Volts through the wires. So the reading he was saying seem a bit low for a capacitor since both sides of a Capacitor should not be connected at all. This is why a Capacitor symbol is 2 lines. I was told in electronics at College that if they ever discover a substance that could not conduct electricity then we would have capacitors that would never discharge.
Retaining ring pliers are what you're looking for to get that clip off and on. A very specific tool for a very specific part. Used in auto work a good bit. Love the video Dave! Great work! Steve, you did fine as well.
“Buy it Fix it”channel had a similar issue 2 years ago and drew the circuit to explain why this happens. He had 3 different faults of which the constant oscillations was one.
This is one of the funniest videos you have made for a long time. I love that you have gone back to your roots of not having a clue but having a go anyway.
Those capacitors spring free because they've seen Dave, and he inspired them to go out and finally live their life free of crowded circuit boards. The colony they set up in your carpet will have monuments to you for giving them a new life.
@@dany-ps2my He's UK Based, I've never heard them called Snap Rings over here, We're quite literal with the language, and they aren't a complete ring, But the more names to search under can't be a bad thing.
There are two types of circlip pliers. One is used to open the external 😮circlips like the one in this video and the other is for internal circlips which needs to be compressed to remove.
Steve, please do not auto-translate your titles and videos. In my localized version (german) all the sarcastic, extra dry comments are lost. I am not sure if you will gain new or satisfy existing viewers that way. I'll stick to the real Steve!
Ich verstehe nicht. Does he have to turn the setting on? I think it's a great feature for general purpose use, but if you want proper content in that language, then just go go those creators. Because Steve and others in similar positions cannot afford real translators.
@ I can also answer this as I am from Germany too. Pain is that this was on by default. I would only call it’s a great feature if you really really really need to translate the video But the shitty AI voice talks with such a monotone voice that it is really hard to listen to it
"What am I doing with my life?" Steve it is a question I have asked myself for 58 years and the only answer I can come up with is 'learning and enjoying he journey'! Love your channel!
Decoupling cap probably! If its turned into a resistor (as it sounds), it will be lowering the level of whatever its connected to. How that translates to the fan rotating always - no idea without looking at schematics. My guess is it somehow relates to a feed to a mosfet which powers the rotation, and maybe that mosfet was always on...
I am a new subscriber. I absolutely love your videos. I also watch channels like tronix fix and my mate Vince, but you have a certain style and humor that I totally vibe with. Instantly my favorite. Keep up the awesome content!!!!!! Thank you so much 🙏😎
Brilliant as ever Steve , but could only listen to it in German Italian French or Spanish.... No option in settings to change it to English.... certainly made it interesting....
Great achievement Steve. That was a difficult diagnosis. Persistence pays off. My Grandson and I have modelled our channel after your excellent approach. Alex and Poppy fix stuff.
That video was cool ,I was totally blown away. unfortunately, the foreign voice-over meant I had to sync my phones audio to the TV visual, then muted the TV.
I think one of the things you could have done here, was inject some voltage on the low voltage side and then inspect it with an IR camera if you have one, that'll help identify any shorts or suspect components
I was thinking the same. Not an electronics expert by any means (pretty basic, in fact) but the circuit diagram made me think of an electrical switch. Maybe allowing the 2 pins he tested to be closed if there was an input voltage.
Fair play to Dyson's build quality. The remote control for my hot'n'cool went through the washing machine. I took it apart, dried each part carefully, left it a day, put it back together and... it worked!
It's a matter of design philosophy for making something high end. Does one implement features with simple components, iterating and tweaking the design, taking longer to get it "just right", but keeping the naked parts cost low, or does one go the programmable logic route where the hardware is basically set in stone at the beginning and the software goes through the iterations to get it "working right". That's more expensive to produce per item, but it drastically reduces one's "time to market". Dyson chooses to have one hardware implementation and then implement its various devices in software, because recently graduated programmers are cheaper than experienced hardware engineers. It's a choice.
@@JVerschueren Yes, BUT, it needs to be a good product, which most of them are not. "High end" shouldn't just look good, it has to be efficient and effective, just looking good, does not a high end product make. Over priced my friend, you can't convince me otherwise, having experience with several of the Dyson products. Dyson is innovative for sure, but nearly every single copy of their design, that I have used has been more effective and some are even half the price of the original Dyson product. Dyson vacuum cleaners don't suck! And that my friend is why they SUCK! 😉
Apparently that capacitor was starting to act like a resistor instead of a capacitor and was letting enough voltage through to trigger the IC oscillating feature. You could probably throw a new 10uF cap back on there to make the oscilliation feature less likely to trigger incorrectly when switched on or off, but that's just a quality of life thing I would guess.
@@StezStixFix you might want to get the capacitor in there sooner rather than later as you might get a feedback frequency when you switch the fan on and off and it will blow the opto isolator
I was sooo confused when the Video started playing and I heared a GERMAN audio Track. First I thought someone bootlegged your Video and generated some german audio for it. Luckily I found the option to return to the original version.
@@sylvainc8146this is the second TH-camr this week that's done this. They don't listen when I ask. Tell them they don't think it's a problem, but watch this all the time on an Android TV
I'm confused that the 'original' version is "English (United States)", had no idea Steve is American, pretty confident he'd be just as surprised to find that out too.
The Dyson was obviously working for Skynet. That's why it wasn't listening to commands. Always make sure and take out the Skynet Capacitor Chips from your Appliances.🍟☺️👍
Another excellent video Steve, you’re a genius! Love the content. That tiny ceramic oblong thingy can’t possibly have any practical use, I’m sure the fan will operate perfectly without it, forever 😅
I cannot watch this video without the audio track cycling through Spanish, Portuguese, Indonesian, French, German and Italian. Only your video is doing this. HELP!!!
The seven-lead chip is what you might call a PWM chip. It's part of a switch-mode power supply, it's basically the controller -- it runs the switch rate. The optoisolator, you've got a good start. It has an LED and a photodiode, and each has a separate signal and ground line, so that you can send a signal across a space that can't have common (connected) grounds. It's often used as part of the feedback control in switch-mode power supplies, because of that -- one side will be at mains-potential, and one at low voltage. They can't share grounds, because then you basically get mains superimposed onto, say, 5v. That's... not good, it will for example do horrible things to your phone if you try to charge it that way! But, you need that coupling for the regulation to work... that's one way they do it. Extra credit: six MOSFETs near a power supply chip like that? _Especially_ with an optoisolator around? That's a three-phase motor driver. It seems odd to me that they had a capacitor across that LED. Normally you'd have that, for example, across a set of relay contacts as an arcflash suppressor. Inductors often have a Schottky diode across them in reverse polarity so that whatever switches them on and off doesn't get baked by inductive kickback. The whole fan looks to be desperately overengineered in some pretty ridiculous ways (I mean, let's face it, they have to have SOME justification, however flimsy, for the pricing Dyson puts on their products, and "it's a bladeless fan" only gets you so far -- and, honestly, is ridiculous in its own right, when you think of it...) so maybe it's meant as noise suppression vs the fan and oscillator motors? Also, Dyson didn't invent jack splat. He brought industrial tech to the consumer market. His vacuum cleaners use the exact same stuff as the cyclonic dust collector in nearly every reasonably well-equipped carpentry or machinist's shop (and likely a fair few others) all across the globe... all he did was figure out how to stick it on top of a bagless canister vacuum and make it look like something out of _Star Trek_ (or, more properly, _Doctor Who_ -- take a reeeaaal good look at the central column of the Junk TARDIS from "The Doctor's Wife"! ;3 ).
That's what I was thinking - way over complicated for what it is. Everyone else just has an on/off switch and a mechanical switch for the oscillation, but Dyson has a mountain of e-waste to do the same thing.
Oh gosh! The first 10 seconds of the video I was shocked lol I've heard Steve-o speaking Spanish! And then I wondered...how does the rap sound...no way! I much rather original Steve 😇
Put at least the same size cap in its place, it's there to avoid sudden drops in voltage. It not being there can cause intermittent annoyances that are really hard to debug.
An option isolator does what it sounds like. It electrically isolates two sides of a piece of kit. Normally separating the low voltage side from the high voltage side. It uses a light signal within the case of the OI and an LDR (Light dependent resistor) to protect delicate electronics (or fingers) from mains voltages.
Watch makers use a product called Rodico. It's a blue silly putty stuff. They use it to hold the tiny gears and springs so they don't fly off. Thanks for the video. Yes they do make snap ring pliers. They have tiny pegs on the end to go in the holes of the snap rings. Unlike normal pliers and scissors, they open when you squeeze the handles and close when you open them.
general rule: capacitors never pass DC voltage unless they are breaking down so dmm in Ohms should always show mega or OL. you could also switch you multimetr to capacitance test mode - and look up how to interpet the result. hilarious response to launching it tho thanks for what you do.
Hilarious video. Thanks Steve. And I know it's outside of your control but I thought it ironic that one of the ads that popped up towards the end was for Dyson's imminent Black Friday event. Oh and what you are doing with your life is entertaining us! "Us" being 92, 110 viewers as at 15 Nov. Brilliant!
As someone already mentioned, if something turns on when it shouldn't, it's often a shorted MOSFET. When they die, they permanently turn on. Optocouplers are usually used to pass information back to high-voltage side and it's unlikely that's the culprit here. That capacitor might have been leaking a bit of current, MOSFETs don't need much to turn on, they just need to "see" voltage. That's the only explanation I can think of.
Well done. Would depend on where the capacitor was connected, if on the input (diode) side then basic switching protection for the micro, if on the output side then part of a snubber (protect the motor and internal triac from spikes) which usually has a resistor in series. Slightly odd use of the MC3083 if it is controlling the motor directly, there is usually an external triac or SCR. Either way (as others suggest) refit a capacitor.
Result! It works with one less part. That capacitor should show as an open circuit on a 'Multimmiter'. Opto isolators are used in a feedback loop, for control of a mains power supply. Those caps are famous for going leaky, or short completely. The oscillator motor looks like it had three wires, so possibly three phase AC. That leaky cap possibly fired up the power supply, when it shouldn't have.
To vastly oversimplify, resistors let DC through, good capacitors do not. As the capacitor you found had got a large-ish resistance it was likely letting DC through where it should not have gone - which happened to turn the oscillate motor on. The cap was there for a reason, so you really ought to put a new one back in its place or bits of the circuit could suffer over time. Hope this helps?
Thumbnail looks like the romper room magic mirror. US children’s show back in the ‘60’s. She would look through it and wish happy birthday to some lucky viewer!
The reason why the fuse isn't beeping on continuity is most likely because there's this huge capacitor in parallel to it that sucks all the measly current the multimeter is sending through (to detect continuity). Only when that cap will be charged you'll hear the beep. But I may be wrong.
There is probably a circuit for you to turn the oscillation on manually by the on/off button, and that cap was probably used to sense it and causing the problem, so by removing it, it cut that circuit so it can only be told to oscillate by the remote
FYI- Typically NC = "Normally Closed", which means that the terminal is connected to the COM terminal in the default switched state (i.e. when the switch is NOT enabled the terminal is connected; when the switch is enabled it is no longer connected). NO= "Normally Open" which means in the default switch state the terminal is not connected, and when the switch is enabled it is connected.
For a relay, yes but for an IC, NC is always No Connect. The datasheet even clearly showed a warning on pin 5 "DO NOT CONNECT" so it absolutely can't be normally closed.
Just got a tip for you when you're testing tiny parts on the bench. Lay down a piece of that foam double stick tape and lay your part on it. No more ninth dimension....
confused by the 3 wire motor ! Maybe the cap was pulling the Oscilation driver to ground . Would be interesting to measure where the cap was to see if its high when osc is off and low when OSC is on.
the capacitor wasn't shorted out of circuit, but it was leaky. one thing to remember when testing ceramic capacitors they can change their characteristics by temperature and frequency. so they can be more shorted in circuit when the device is running. Also ceramic capacitors can absorb moisture if they have a hairline fracture in the ceramic casing, they then become leaky and then eventually short-circuit.
The capacitor was probably there to either prevent noise triggering the led from spuriously firing or it could have been part of a start-up circuit to prevent the led from firing when the power supplies ramp up. Either way as it went short it caused the led to turn on and then to start the motor.
It doesn't happen often - but there are cases where ceramic capacitors only leak or short when reaching a certain voltage. Also: A ceramic capacitor out of circuit should have infinite resistance and you do not need a lot of current to turn a LED or a MOSFET on.
bro the feels when that SMD cap went flying into another dimension. but yeah, you got lucky. replacing the cap would be a good idea but seems it may work w/out it. could have been a UL requirement.
BIG FAN? Ironically.. I'm a "Big Fan" too! What R the odds (really, I'm asking?). At first i thought this video was going to just be a lot of hot air. A "ringer". But under pressure from my other family members, I gave it a spin. I was wrong. It was refreshingly COoL. It did start to drag a bit at the 2:00 mark but I pushed through it. I generally don't like to "air" my joy this much (being from the States:) but it had to be said. You R the "Dyson™Whisperer", at least to me!
The capacitor is just filtering any noise off so the LED in the opto-coupler I.C. won't accidentally turn on. Try radiating some RF noise close to the device, like a mobile phone or microwave oven, and you might see the device jitter and make a ghostly move as the noise introduces enough DC voltage to light up the internal LED. The opto couple is typically used to isolate the 240 volt side from the low voltage (e.g. 12 volt) side. When the LED is lit up (inside the opto coupler) an opto receiver on the opposite side of the opto coupler chip sees the light and switches on a transistor type component to conduct the 12 volts to the motor. This mitigates the risk of any high voltage shorts producing 240 volt on the 12 volt side and potentially killing someone or causing a fire. Not having the capacitor is not likely to cause any noticeable effect in a low RF noise environment. Personally I would have just disconnected the oscillator motor and told the customer it's buggered, but you can still use it to blow straight - but I'm lazy.
If a board has a coating be double sure you've made contact with your probes when checking big caps⚡️ Also get yourself a discharge pen, under a tenner - invaluable.
Steve, did you take note of my shakycam and decide to "trade mark" it lol nice video bro, stuffs getting more and more complicated to repair but low and behold you managed to sort it out. Nice work mate
Blur Cam. This may have been suggested before. Looks like a Sony camera in the Blur Cam position. It is probably running in multi point focus mode. You could go to the camera menu and use manual focus setting. I don''t know if your camera has a spot focus or center weighted focus mode. Those modes might work better for your set up and still retain auto focus.. I enjoy your channel. The electronic content and the music is entertaining.
The cap I'm guessing is smoothing for the motor and would be to prevent spikes in the voltage caused by the motor and would stop them from feeding back and damaging other components. I would replace it if I was you if you are going to use the fan or sell it on. You would need to check the voltage to the motor and put in a cap with a voltage rating higher than that and I'm guessing the cap would have been 1 µF or higher.
Yep, you really want that cap. Motor windings are basically gigantic inductors, so if you suddenly switch them off, the magnetic field collapses and you get a massive voltage spike which can damage components if there isn't any protections in place.
@@nikkiofthevalley if you rely on a cap for that the cap is definitely going to blow. That's what fly back diodes are for. Think the cap he removed is also on the low voltage side and not the high voltage AC side of the optocoupler.
@@samuraidriver4x4 Definitely, but a flyback diode on its own also isn't the best idea. Though I do agree that the small cap he removed was probably just filtering to keep the EMI out of the rest of the circuit. I hadn't watched to that point by the time I commented that haha
@@nikkiofthevalley the MOV is probably responsible of the motor high voltage spike protection in this case. Bit of EMI filtering might be indeed all that the cap is doing, might be to protect the microcontroller. This is one of those things you really need the board and an ossciliscope for to properly figure it out. It is a bit of a strange design all together as far as I can tell.
That was a decopling capacitor, and it was leaky. A capacitor must read infinite resistance when it is measured with an ohmmeter because the ohmmeter applies DC for it. You said it measured around 1K2 outside the circuit, so it was not shorted but was leaky ("leaks" DC), this caused the LED on the opto-isolator to be on all the time and thus it was always spinning.
2 things, 1.) you need circlip pliers to remove circlips. No point in trying anything else. It MAY work but haphazardly. 2.) Dyson make their stuff as sturdy AF 😂 I service our vacuum every now and then. It takes me a good few hours and everytime I have to watch a disassembly video. EVERY.TIME.
The opto-isolator is usually a voltage control feature of the power supply. If it was having trouble, none of the electronics would work. So, not likely the cause of the issue.
I think it was used to trigger the motor in this case and the capacitor probably de couples it in some way but was somewhat shorted which enabled the trigger permanently. The chip is a triac optocoupler and one of the suggested use cases is as a motor trigger. I'm not an expert though but I seem to remember bigclive dissecteing a solid state relay and an optocoupler and a triac beaind 2 of the main components in that. In this case they ar just both in the same package.
Possibly a decoupling capacitor. You connect these to a signal line down to ground. Capacitors have a 'resistance' that is inversely proportional to the frequency of the voltage. So to a DC voltage the capacitor looks like an infinite resistance or open circuit. But if there is any noise on the line that will have a frequency so the capacitor will look like a resistance, the higher the frequency the lower the resistance. The idea is to make the capacitor look like a zero resistance or short to ground to any interference but an open circuit to any DC component - so it removes the noise.
They are often added 'just in case; and this is why circuits will work without them. In the worse case you might have a bit of noise on the signal but unlikely to cause any issues - more of a concern with audio/visual circuitry.
Often referred to as a filter cap. Typically used on a dc circuit to remove any stray AC signals by shorting it to ground. 👍
I can't see the traces well enough on the video, but It's very likely.
That is not a decoupling capacitor.
@@del4you2Can you make out what it's connected to?
@@del4you2 I said possibly - you keep coming up with these snappy put-downs. Why don’t you actually contribute and tell us what it is. You seem to be the sort of person I encounter a lot at work, very quick to put down other peoples work but very slow to put forward their own work.
Great answer. Did anyone else hear the pops on the audio when Steve leaned into the now oscillating fan? 🤔Either I'm hearing things or I think you nailed it, cheers 🍺
If you take a piece of tape, role it inside out, stick it to your bench. Then press your component you want to test on it... it won't wind up in the 9th dimension.😂🤣
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Bit of blue-tack would also work
you've been watching too much northridge fix LOL so have I
Please don't do this. It will ruin the fun 🤣
I have many detent springs still currently floating in outer space.
An opto-isolator separates two parts of a circuit with an air gap. So rather than have a wire joining the points on the circuit, one point drives an LED and the other side as a photo-diode. So you can pass a signal between the two even though there is a physical gap inside the chip - the two points are not electrically connected together. A typical use is where you want a digital connection between a part of a circuit operating at a high voltage with another part of the circuit which is running at a low voltage. So you form a digital connection across the airgap in the chip with light and there is no chance of dangerous high voltages getting across and damaging sensitive components on the other side.
What he said 👆
@@nmb46 google info
That is the fun thing with capacitance you can take the capacitor out and still have a capacitance reading. So taking it out fixed. This can happen as well.
When I did my electrical courses in the 1990s if the insulation resistance less than 0.5 Mohms or 500000 Kohms then you had to fail it it could allowing electricity to flow. But then we were also putting 500Volts through the wires.
So the reading he was saying seem a bit low for a capacitor since both sides of a Capacitor should not be connected at all. This is why a Capacitor symbol is 2 lines. I was told in electronics at College that if they ever discover a substance that could not conduct electricity then we would have capacitors that would never discharge.
Kinda like a relay but without the switch?
@@stephensimmons1537 or like a relay/ contactor without the electro magnetism. You could call it a light relay. 😂🤣
Retaining ring pliers are what you're looking for to get that clip off and on. A very specific tool for a very specific part. Used in auto work a good bit. Love the video Dave! Great work! Steve, you did fine as well.
As a tech we call them snap-ring pliers
“Buy it Fix it”channel had a similar issue 2 years ago and drew the circuit to explain why this happens. He had 3 different faults of which the constant oscillations was one.
Get some bluetack to stick the component down to your desk to help prevent it pinging away 🙂
This is one of the funniest videos you have made for a long time. I love that you have gone back to your roots of not having a clue but having a go anyway.
Well isn't that the case in every video? (not knowing anything)
Those capacitors spring free because they've seen Dave, and he inspired them to go out and finally live their life free of crowded circuit boards. The colony they set up in your carpet will have monuments to you for giving them a new life.
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Love it 🤣🤣🤣
Its always amazing to me when you're able to track down the fault and make it right. Thank you for your service; I salute you, sir.
They are called Cir Clip Pliers, and they are a specialized tool
Or snap ring pliers
@@dany-ps2my He's UK Based, I've never heard them called Snap Rings over here, We're quite literal with the language, and they aren't a complete ring, But the more names to search under can't be a bad thing.
There are two types of circlip pliers. One is used to open the external 😮circlips like the one in this video and the other is for internal circlips which needs to be compressed to remove.
I got a circlip plier set from halfords. It has interchangeable tips and fulcrum point. So you can do internal and external clips.
Steve, please do not auto-translate your titles and videos. In my localized version (german) all the sarcastic, extra dry comments are lost. I am not sure if you will gain new or satisfy existing viewers that way. I'll stick to the real Steve!
Jup, it's very bad that ai voice.
+1 for visibility 👍🏻
Why does TH-cam constantly add unwanted features 😕
Yes! And for whatever reason, the option to switch the audio language is gone from my app. I had to watch this using Chrome.
Ich verstehe nicht. Does he have to turn the setting on? I think it's a great feature for general purpose use, but if you want proper content in that language, then just go go those creators. Because Steve and others in similar positions cannot afford real translators.
@ I can also answer this as I am from Germany too.
Pain is that this was on by default. I would only call it’s a great feature if you really really really need to translate the video
But the shitty AI voice talks with such a monotone voice that it is really hard to listen to it
"What am I doing with my life?" Steve it is a question I have asked myself for 58 years and the only answer I can come up with is 'learning and enjoying he journey'! Love your channel!
Ditto 👍
Decoupling cap probably! If its turned into a resistor (as it sounds), it will be lowering the level of whatever its connected to. How that translates to the fan rotating always - no idea without looking at schematics. My guess is it somehow relates to a feed to a mosfet which powers the rotation, and maybe that mosfet was always on...
I am a new subscriber. I absolutely love your videos. I also watch channels like tronix fix and my mate Vince, but you have a certain style and humor that I totally vibe with. Instantly my favorite. Keep up the awesome content!!!!!! Thank you so much 🙏😎
Brilliant as ever Steve , but could only listen to it in German Italian French or Spanish.... No option in settings to change it to English.... certainly made it interesting....
Great achievement Steve. That was a difficult diagnosis. Persistence pays off. My Grandson and I have modelled our channel after your excellent approach. Alex and Poppy fix stuff.
That video was cool ,I was totally blown away. unfortunately, the foreign voice-over meant I had to sync my phones audio to the TV visual, then muted the TV.
Filter cap, probably causing the led not to light in the opto isolator, Great fix Steve well done, MMV has done 1 or 2 of them too 😊
I think one of the things you could have done here, was inject some voltage on the low voltage side and then inspect it with an IR camera if you have one, that'll help identify any shorts or suspect components
I was thinking the same. Not an electronics expert by any means (pretty basic, in fact) but the circuit diagram made me think of an electrical switch. Maybe allowing the 2 pins he tested to be closed if there was an input voltage.
Fair play to Dyson's build quality. The remote control for my hot'n'cool went through the washing machine. I took it apart, dried each part carefully, left it a day, put it back together and... it worked!
Excellent video as usual, measure the capacitance of a capacitor, not resistence. the ESR of a capacitor is critical to its performance
It amazes me that what should be a simple device requires quite so much electronics, but that's Dyson for you.
Over engineered and waaaayyyyy over priced!!!
Over-engineered garbage.
Yeah the vaccums are pure garbage. Especially the cordless ones.
It's a matter of design philosophy for making something high end. Does one implement features with simple components, iterating and tweaking the design, taking longer to get it "just right", but keeping the naked parts cost low, or does one go the programmable logic route where the hardware is basically set in stone at the beginning and the software goes through the iterations to get it "working right". That's more expensive to produce per item, but it drastically reduces one's "time to market". Dyson chooses to have one hardware implementation and then implement its various devices in software, because recently graduated programmers are cheaper than experienced hardware engineers. It's a choice.
@@JVerschueren Yes, BUT, it needs to be a good product, which most of them are not. "High end" shouldn't just look good, it has to be efficient and effective, just looking good, does not a high end product make.
Over priced my friend, you can't convince me otherwise, having experience with several of the Dyson products.
Dyson is innovative for sure, but nearly every single copy of their design, that I have used has been more effective and some are even half the price of the original Dyson product. Dyson vacuum cleaners don't suck! And that my friend is why they SUCK! 😉
My Dyson tower fan does the exact same thing. I disconnected the linkage about 7 years ago and left it that way
Apparently that capacitor was starting to act like a resistor instead of a capacitor and was letting enough voltage through to trigger the IC oscillating feature. You could probably throw a new 10uF cap back on there to make the oscilliation feature less likely to trigger incorrectly when switched on or off, but that's just a quality of life thing I would guess.
Thanks Jeffrey! All still working well, but I'll definitely whack a 10uF in there if it shows any signs of failing! 👍
More to the point how did you comment on this video 3 days ago when it was only posted on youtube 6 hours ago?
@@SwumholePatreon supporter with early access to the videos? 6 hours ago for you and me, but that timing is when the video went public.
@@sdjmchattie Ahh, OK, thanks for the explanation. If I wasn't such a cheapskate I'd have known that!
@@StezStixFix you might want to get the capacitor in there sooner rather than later as you might get a feedback frequency when you switch the fan on and off and it will blow the opto isolator
I was sooo confused when the Video started playing and I heared a GERMAN audio Track. First I thought someone bootlegged your Video and generated some german audio for it. Luckily I found the option to return to the original version.
I have the same thing in French, the funniest part is the disassembly part with its rap-style text.
@@sylvainc8146this is the second TH-camr this week that's done this. They don't listen when I ask. Tell them they don't think it's a problem, but watch this all the time on an Android TV
Same here. But in portuguese 😂😂😂
@@sylvainc8146 It seems that "list" rhymes with "p*ssed" in German too 😀
I'm confused that the 'original' version is "English (United States)", had no idea Steve is American, pretty confident he'd be just as surprised to find that out too.
The Dyson was obviously working for Skynet. That's why it wasn't listening to commands. Always make sure and take out the Skynet Capacitor Chips from your Appliances.🍟☺️👍
Another excellent video Steve, you’re a genius! Love the content.
That tiny ceramic oblong thingy can’t possibly have any practical use, I’m sure the fan will operate perfectly without it, forever 😅
I cannot watch this video without the audio track cycling through Spanish, Portuguese, Indonesian, French, German and Italian.
Only your video is doing this.
HELP!!!
My phone plays fine, my Google TV Streamer has the same odd language issues !
@@FingerprintguySame for me. I've had it happen with other channels randomly as well.
Please Steve deactivate this ai translation sh**
I’m a fan.
I see what you did there... congrats. 🤣🤣🤣
The capacitor is probably leaking current, not a full short but enough to pass enough current through to trigger the circuit
You can also have capacitors that fully short - but only when reaching a certain voltage.
The seven-lead chip is what you might call a PWM chip. It's part of a switch-mode power supply, it's basically the controller -- it runs the switch rate. The optoisolator, you've got a good start. It has an LED and a photodiode, and each has a separate signal and ground line, so that you can send a signal across a space that can't have common (connected) grounds. It's often used as part of the feedback control in switch-mode power supplies, because of that -- one side will be at mains-potential, and one at low voltage. They can't share grounds, because then you basically get mains superimposed onto, say, 5v. That's... not good, it will for example do horrible things to your phone if you try to charge it that way! But, you need that coupling for the regulation to work... that's one way they do it.
Extra credit: six MOSFETs near a power supply chip like that? _Especially_ with an optoisolator around? That's a three-phase motor driver.
It seems odd to me that they had a capacitor across that LED. Normally you'd have that, for example, across a set of relay contacts as an arcflash suppressor. Inductors often have a Schottky diode across them in reverse polarity so that whatever switches them on and off doesn't get baked by inductive kickback. The whole fan looks to be desperately overengineered in some pretty ridiculous ways (I mean, let's face it, they have to have SOME justification, however flimsy, for the pricing Dyson puts on their products, and "it's a bladeless fan" only gets you so far -- and, honestly, is ridiculous in its own right, when you think of it...) so maybe it's meant as noise suppression vs the fan and oscillator motors?
Also, Dyson didn't invent jack splat. He brought industrial tech to the consumer market. His vacuum cleaners use the exact same stuff as the cyclonic dust collector in nearly every reasonably well-equipped carpentry or machinist's shop (and likely a fair few others) all across the globe... all he did was figure out how to stick it on top of a bagless canister vacuum and make it look like something out of _Star Trek_ (or, more properly, _Doctor Who_ -- take a reeeaaal good look at the central column of the Junk TARDIS from "The Doctor's Wife"! ;3 ).
That's what I was thinking - way over complicated for what it is. Everyone else just has an on/off switch and a mechanical switch for the oscillation, but Dyson has a mountain of e-waste to do the same thing.
Oh gosh! The first 10 seconds of the video I was shocked lol I've heard Steve-o speaking Spanish! And then I wondered...how does the rap sound...no way! I much rather original Steve 😇
Put at least the same size cap in its place, it's there to avoid sudden drops in voltage. It not being there can cause intermittent annoyances that are really hard to debug.
My first guess was one of the MOSFETS is shorted and that MOSFET turns on the oscillating feature.
An option isolator does what it sounds like. It electrically isolates two sides of a piece of kit. Normally separating the low voltage side from the high voltage side. It uses a light signal within the case of the OI and an LDR (Light dependent resistor) to protect delicate electronics (or fingers) from mains voltages.
wow i woulda never guessed it! great job mate!
Circlip pliers, useful addition to any toolkit
Watch makers use a product called Rodico. It's a blue silly putty stuff. They use it to hold the tiny gears and springs so they don't fly off. Thanks for the video. Yes they do make snap ring pliers. They have tiny pegs on the end to go in the holes of the snap rings. Unlike normal pliers and scissors, they open when you squeeze the handles and close when you open them.
Fun video and lots of what not to dos, but that is the charm of your Vids. Educational with excellent entertainment. Keep 'em coming Steve. Thank you
@19:33 found your missing capacitor. It's next to your UV light
Your overlayed buzzing sound actually made me jump........ I wasn't ready lol
Circlip pliers steve. Such a complicated design for such a simple object.. Madness!
thing is are they internal of external circlip pliers needed. I use them all the time since Circlips are used in the engineering I do.
general rule: capacitors never pass DC voltage unless they are breaking down so dmm in Ohms should always show mega or OL. you could also switch you multimetr to capacitance test mode - and look up how to interpet the result. hilarious response to launching it tho thanks for what you do.
"Snap-ring pliers external and internal.
Hilarious video. Thanks Steve. And I know it's outside of your control but I thought it ironic that one of the ads that popped up towards the end was for Dyson's imminent Black Friday event. Oh and what you are doing with your life is entertaining us! "Us" being 92, 110 viewers as at 15 Nov. Brilliant!
As someone already mentioned, if something turns on when it shouldn't, it's often a shorted MOSFET. When they die, they permanently turn on.
Optocouplers are usually used to pass information back to high-voltage side and it's unlikely that's the culprit here.
That capacitor might have been leaking a bit of current, MOSFETs don't need much to turn on, they just need to "see" voltage. That's the only explanation I can think of.
Well done. Would depend on where the capacitor was connected, if on the input (diode) side then basic switching protection for the micro, if on the output side then part of a snubber (protect the motor and internal triac from spikes) which usually has a resistor in series. Slightly odd use of the MC3083 if it is controlling the motor directly, there is usually an external triac or SCR. Either way (as others suggest) refit a capacitor.
Well done sir!
Result! It works with one less part. That capacitor should show as an open circuit on a 'Multimmiter'. Opto isolators are used in a feedback loop, for control of a mains power supply. Those caps are famous for going leaky, or short completely. The oscillator motor looks like it had three wires, so possibly three phase AC. That leaky cap possibly fired up the power supply, when it shouldn't have.
You need to read all the comments, not just down to the first bloke with the answer. I also learn from the people who post sulutions.
Best choice for the ending song!
To vastly oversimplify, resistors let DC through, good capacitors do not. As the capacitor you found had got a large-ish resistance it was likely letting DC through where it should not have gone - which happened to turn the oscillate motor on. The cap was there for a reason, so you really ought to put a new one back in its place or bits of the circuit could suffer over time. Hope this helps?
Dang ad made me jump after you plugged in the fan to test the chip. Like how perfect of timing...
Thumbnail looks like the romper room magic mirror. US children’s show back in the ‘60’s. She would look through it and wish happy birthday to some lucky viewer!
The reason why the fuse isn't beeping on continuity is most likely because there's this huge capacitor in parallel to it that sucks all the measly current the multimeter is sending through (to detect continuity). Only when that cap will be charged you'll hear the beep. But I may be wrong.
Waited for the end credits music. Wasn't disappointed.
your BlurCAM is AWESOME!!! i wanna buy one for my family video!
This was pretty funny. Love your videos! Thanks, I needed this as I am in the US.
There is probably a circuit for you to turn the oscillation on manually by the on/off button, and that cap was probably used to sense it and causing the problem, so by removing it, it cut that circuit so it can only be told to oscillate by the remote
Ugh steve i love the final song in the video. Perfect for this video.
Entertaining. As always. Thanks!
You can use double-sided tape to hold the SMD components before measuring...
FYI- Typically NC = "Normally Closed", which means that the terminal is connected to the COM terminal in the default switched state (i.e. when the switch is NOT enabled the terminal is connected; when the switch is enabled it is no longer connected).
NO= "Normally Open" which means in the default switch state the terminal is not connected, and when the switch is enabled it is connected.
NC can also mean "No connect" ;) See 10:26
For a relay, yes but for an IC, NC is always No Connect.
The datasheet even clearly showed a warning on pin 5 "DO NOT CONNECT" so it absolutely can't be normally closed.
Just got a tip for you when you're testing tiny parts on the bench. Lay down a piece of that foam double stick tape and lay your part on it. No more ninth dimension....
confused by the 3 wire motor ! Maybe the cap was pulling the Oscilation driver to ground . Would be interesting to measure where the cap was to see if its high when osc is off and low when OSC is on.
This was a FANtastic video!
the capacitor wasn't shorted out of circuit, but it was leaky. one thing to remember when testing ceramic capacitors they can change their characteristics by temperature and frequency. so they can be more shorted in circuit when the device is running. Also ceramic capacitors can absorb moisture if they have a hairline fracture in the ceramic casing, they then become leaky and then eventually short-circuit.
The capacitor was probably there to either prevent noise triggering the led from spuriously firing or it could have been part of a start-up circuit to prevent the led from firing when the power supplies ramp up. Either way as it went short it caused the led to turn on and then to start the motor.
It doesn't happen often - but there are cases where ceramic capacitors only leak or short when reaching a certain voltage.
Also: A ceramic capacitor out of circuit should have infinite resistance and you do not need a lot of current to turn a LED or a MOSFET on.
bro the feels when that SMD cap went flying into another dimension. but yeah, you got lucky. replacing the cap would be a good idea but seems it may work w/out it. could have been a UL requirement.
Good job
Your electrical short sound effect while you were poking at the capacitor made me jump. I need to get a life.🤣
Don't feel bad. I'm the one who ducked when something came hurtling towards the camera on another vid.
I`m sure there`s a suitable emogi for that sound effect
yup.. that scared the living daylights out of me....
Shat myself 😂
@@drunkresponsibly I think it is partly knowing how that voltage feels, how it knocks you. ⚡
That was great fun! SPROING "Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..." The Despair...
love your outro songs have never once been repeated (so far as I can tell) :D
Circlip pliers are useful for removing and replacing circlips!
BIG FAN? Ironically.. I'm a "Big Fan" too! What R the odds (really, I'm asking?). At first i thought this video was going to just be a lot of hot air. A "ringer". But under pressure from my other family members, I gave it a spin. I was wrong. It was refreshingly COoL. It did start to drag a bit at the 2:00 mark but I pushed through it. I generally don't like to "air" my joy this much (being from the States:) but it had to be said. You R the "Dyson™Whisperer", at least to me!
The capacitor is just filtering any noise off so the LED in the opto-coupler I.C. won't accidentally turn on. Try radiating some RF noise close to the device, like a mobile phone or microwave oven, and you might see the device jitter and make a ghostly move as the noise introduces enough DC voltage to light up the internal LED. The opto couple is typically used to isolate the 240 volt side from the low voltage (e.g. 12 volt) side. When the LED is lit up (inside the opto coupler) an opto receiver on the opposite side of the opto coupler chip sees the light and switches on a transistor type component to conduct the 12 volts to the motor. This mitigates the risk of any high voltage shorts producing 240 volt on the 12 volt side and potentially killing someone or causing a fire. Not having the capacitor is not likely to cause any noticeable effect in a low RF noise environment. Personally I would have just disconnected the oscillator motor and told the customer it's buggered, but you can still use it to blow straight - but I'm lazy.
And plot twist!. thank you man. another great vid. take care.
If a board has a coating be double sure you've made contact with your probes when checking big caps⚡️
Also get yourself a discharge pen, under a tenner - invaluable.
I kind of want to see you go nuts on this thing, like the printer in Office Space.
Capacitor is likely decoupling usually 100nf. used for stopping transient spikes on semiconductors etc.
Nice video I have been watching you for a long time and I can say I’m a big fan 😂😂😂
Steve, did you take note of my shakycam and decide to "trade mark" it lol nice video bro, stuffs getting more and more complicated to repair but low and behold you managed to sort it out. Nice work mate
Your french was perfect but that was weird not hearing you in english.
Blue tack to hold components to test it stops the ping and disappearing act! And your cap could just be a decoupling capacitor?
I waited for the capacitor to jump and it did! You never disappoint! Nice fix! Now call the police as a rogue capacitor is loose!
I cackled like an old Wizard when that cap went flying! Only because I've seen that movie myself. LOL!!
Nice 1 steve, yet another entertaining vidro,. All we need now is component launch cam, to go with shakey cam.. Lol
Blur Cam. This may have been suggested before. Looks like a Sony camera in the Blur Cam position. It is probably running in multi point focus mode. You could go to the camera menu and use manual focus setting. I don''t know if your camera has a spot focus or center weighted focus mode. Those modes might work better for your set up and still retain auto focus.. I enjoy your channel. The electronic content and the music is entertaining.
Just like electronics repair school, no capacitor no short
@@stevelucas8867 by Bob Marley and the Tinkerers
The cap I'm guessing is smoothing for the motor and would be to prevent spikes in the voltage caused by the motor and would stop them from feeding back and damaging other components. I would replace it if I was you if you are going to use the fan or sell it on. You would need to check the voltage to the motor and put in a cap with a voltage rating higher than that and I'm guessing the cap would have been 1 µF or higher.
Yep, you really want that cap. Motor windings are basically gigantic inductors, so if you suddenly switch them off, the magnetic field collapses and you get a massive voltage spike which can damage components if there isn't any protections in place.
Thats what the large cap is for, the small cap he removed wouldnt be for that, that cap would be in the range of nF
@@nikkiofthevalley if you rely on a cap for that the cap is definitely going to blow.
That's what fly back diodes are for.
Think the cap he removed is also on the low voltage side and not the high voltage AC side of the optocoupler.
@@samuraidriver4x4 Definitely, but a flyback diode on its own also isn't the best idea. Though I do agree that the small cap he removed was probably just filtering to keep the EMI out of the rest of the circuit. I hadn't watched to that point by the time I commented that haha
@@nikkiofthevalley the MOV is probably responsible of the motor high voltage spike protection in this case.
Bit of EMI filtering might be indeed all that the cap is doing, might be to protect the microcontroller.
This is one of those things you really need the board and an ossciliscope for to properly figure it out.
It is a bit of a strange design all together as far as I can tell.
That was a decopling capacitor, and it was leaky. A capacitor must read infinite resistance when it is measured with an ohmmeter because the ohmmeter applies DC for it. You said it measured around 1K2 outside the circuit, so it was not shorted but was leaky ("leaks" DC), this caused the LED on the opto-isolator to be on all the time and thus it was always spinning.
I love his style :D
2 things, 1.) you need circlip pliers to remove circlips. No point in trying anything else. It MAY work but haphazardly. 2.) Dyson make their stuff as sturdy AF 😂 I service our vacuum every now and then. It takes me a good few hours and everytime I have to watch a disassembly video. EVERY.TIME.
I have a old Roomba that I found at goodwill that works fine but the red led is always on even when its off. Similar to this.
The opto-isolator is usually a voltage control feature of the power supply. If it was having trouble, none of the electronics would work. So, not likely the cause of the issue.
I think it was used to trigger the motor in this case and the capacitor probably de couples it in some way but was somewhat shorted which enabled the trigger permanently. The chip is a triac optocoupler and one of the suggested use cases is as a motor trigger. I'm not an expert though but I seem to remember bigclive dissecteing a solid state relay and an optocoupler and a triac beaind 2 of the main components in that. In this case they ar just both in the same package.
@@rimmersbryggeri Excellent info! Thanks
have a look at "buy it fix it" - he's done a few of these fans
Thabks Mark, will check it out!
You would be surprised by how many components, especially decoupling capacitors, we designers put on PCBs "just because".
You must find some interesting bits and pieces when you hoover your workroom Steve! Lol 😂 another great fix.
Are you writing the music it's pretty cool...
Im your #1 fan.