Bloodborne Lore - A Plain Doll

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  • @CommodoreChauncy
    @CommodoreChauncy 8 ปีที่แล้ว +793

    The voice actress for the Doll is just the best.

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  8 ปีที่แล้ว +64

      +StugoTheJake She's pretty neat!

    • @Gadget-Walkmen
      @Gadget-Walkmen 4 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      She fits perfectly

    • @danpats1
      @danpats1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I love the way she says “strength”

    • @jaxcanaan4030
      @jaxcanaan4030 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I know it's kinda randomly asking but does anyone know of a good site to stream new movies online ?

    • @deangeloty5124
      @deangeloty5124 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Jax Canaan flixportal :D

  • @philgarrm7914
    @philgarrm7914 9 ปีที่แล้ว +868

    Regarding the dolls fingers twitching in the abandoned workshop, you could almost go as far as to say the doll is dreaming, like a dog barks and runs in the real world while dreaming. Could it be she is the source of the dream or perhaps the moon presence put the dream in the dolls head because putting it in an actual persons could mean they could wake up and destroy the dream whereas a doll cannot truly wake up creating the everlasting dream?

    • @justinzacamy5399
      @justinzacamy5399 9 ปีที่แล้ว +78

      (mind blown)

    • @MrSticksASMR
      @MrSticksASMR 9 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      +Philip Meagher holy. frickin. shit. Excuse while I fetch my brain from the other side of the room.

    • @TripleRedShell
      @TripleRedShell 9 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      +Philip Meagher This makes sense considering Gherman is the first hunter and likely long since dead, i'd go a step further and say that when the Hunter slays the Moon Presence he is in a sense killing the doll because as the video says the doll might have the mind of a Great One inside of it, but as we sometimes see a mind can have conflicting personalities that over time seem to become like the old one, so maybe the Hunter has become the New Moon presence inside the doll.

    • @miked4904
      @miked4904 9 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      +Philip Meagher Thats what i was thinking, She seems peaceful and i believe her eyes are closed as well in the abandoned workshop. Why would a person make a doll with its eyes closed? I believe it can live in the real world but hasn't for a while. Its also interesting to note that we don't fight the Moon Presence in the real world but in the dream. I don't know what that means but why is it not in the real world?

    • @huskytzu7709
      @huskytzu7709 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      daaaaaaaaaamn!

  • @FatherGas
    @FatherGas 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1754

    You killed waifu in the video, reporting for waifu abuse.

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  9 ปีที่แล้ว +74

      +Father Gascoigne th-cam.com/video/ZcpGIVbPYrI/w-d-xo.html

    • @kenetickups6146
      @kenetickups6146 9 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      +Silver Mont Metal Gear Waifu

    • @FatherGas
      @FatherGas 9 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Silver Mont Damn.

    • @cyrinaefox6828
      @cyrinaefox6828 9 ปีที่แล้ว +156

      +Father Gascoigne You, or all people, reporting him for killing waifu? Did you forget? Maybe this music box will spark your memory...

    • @floof-doof5815
      @floof-doof5815 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      +Silver Mont Thanks for your vids silver [alex] I like to have em on while playing ds & ds2 #I need bloodborne #I need a ps4 ;-;

  • @samb123078
    @samb123078 9 ปีที่แล้ว +211

    My personal opinion is that the doll would like the hunter to become a Great One and hence her surrogate child but ultimately wants the Hunter to be happy and safe. Her prayer says as much. Wishing for our well being, she places the hunter's safety and happiness (to be free of the dream and the hint)over her own goals (for you to evolve to a Great One).
    She doesn't push her agenda because she respects the hunters' free will. Like a parent who wants their kids to marry and have a family but is okay if they don't as long as they are happy.

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  9 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      +Sam Wang She'd make a good parent, then!

    • @HunterWhoLaughs
      @HunterWhoLaughs 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I totally buy this opinion being canon in bloodborne video game.

  • @SoupyPantsu
    @SoupyPantsu 8 ปีที่แล้ว +323

    The Dolls voice is so calming I love it

    • @rocker624
      @rocker624 8 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Your profile picture gives me life.

    • @fullmetal1666
      @fullmetal1666 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Fill me up Senpai ヽ(*・ω・)ノ give it to her senpai

    • @bitingpanic
      @bitingpanic 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Wtf

    • @countmeout6314
      @countmeout6314 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Knuckles the Enchilada lol, enchilada

    • @nbmoleminer5051
      @nbmoleminer5051 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Fill me up Senpai Your profile picture is disgusting. 🤢

  • @kuromoriroyal2291
    @kuromoriroyal2291 8 ปีที่แล้ว +173

    The doll was a creation of Gherman for his love and obsession for Lady Maria, but, even if she was exactly the same as her body, she lacked the strong personality that Lady Maria, had. This is the reason why Gherman doesn't love the doll, because of her motherly personality.

    • @kuromoriroyal2291
      @kuromoriroyal2291 8 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      As why the pale blood... the doll was created after the dream was created and Gherman was forced to become the puppete of the moon presence. Because of the connection of Gherman with the moon presence it may be able to expalin the paleblood that the doll bleeds.

    • @theflaminglionhotlionfox2140
      @theflaminglionhotlionfox2140 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Nah I bet she's just his sex doll.

    • @Sevren_
      @Sevren_ 4 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      TheFlamingLion//// HotlionFox I mean, he straight up tells you that you can bang the doll if you want

  • @ethankulig6296
    @ethankulig6296 8 ปีที่แล้ว +562

    "It's milky white in color. She's a doll... why's she bleeding?"
    That's not blood my friend. Gherman's been alone for a long time.

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  8 ปีที่แล้ว +93

      +Ethan Kulig Oh, nice.

    • @randybutternubs4647
      @randybutternubs4647 5 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      Ew! That old sick bastard!

    • @Spyder113
      @Spyder113 5 ปีที่แล้ว +141

      "Even the doll should it please you"

    • @kosmic100
      @kosmic100 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      oh god.

    • @jconley2795
      @jconley2795 5 ปีที่แล้ว +47

      Can you don't

  • @Diluted_Potato
    @Diluted_Potato 9 ปีที่แล้ว +625

    Doll = best waifu

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  9 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      +VelstryoxDP She's ok!

    • @kenetickups6146
      @kenetickups6146 9 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Crossbreed Priscilla>Doll

    • @Brynhildrify
      @Brynhildrify 9 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      +John Carver priscilla's hole's too big

    • @kenetickups6146
      @kenetickups6146 9 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Kal Kuma for you

    • @Brynhildrify
      @Brynhildrify 9 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      size doesn't matter, I can hump for hours and mastered kama sutra, even if urs is 3x bigger than mine it won't fit, she's a giant.

  • @CosmicApe94
    @CosmicApe94 9 ปีที่แล้ว +454

    God I love this games lore

    • @All4Randomness1
      @All4Randomness1 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't know what's happening anymore

    • @djinn218
      @djinn218 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Random Guy
      Are you on everything bloodborne/souls related?
      I see you everywhere...

    • @All4Randomness1
      @All4Randomness1 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      WolfsWorld Really? I thought I was one of the more moderate community members.

    • @djinn218
      @djinn218 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Random Guy
      hum, really. Well well.

    • @xminteee300
      @xminteee300 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Read the Paleblood Hunt on Reddit it's a lore analysis of Bloodborne and is very interesting.

  • @camolotthe42
    @camolotthe42 8 ปีที่แล้ว +391

    Insight.
    Literally, "eyes on the inside".

    • @PhantomZtryker
      @PhantomZtryker 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      That is literally the opposite of 'literal'. You mean figuratively.

    • @camolotthe42
      @camolotthe42 8 ปีที่แล้ว +41

      PhantomZtryker
      ... No, pretty sure I mean literally.
      There are literal eyes on the inside of these people's skulls.
      It's practically H. P. Lovecraft up in here, yo.

    • @PhantomZtryker
      @PhantomZtryker 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wasn't that just the big ass eyemonsters though? Do the hunters also have eyes in their brain?

    • @camolotthe42
      @camolotthe42 8 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      PhantomZtryker
      Knowing Bloodborne?
      Probably.

    • @dinormisimus2138
      @dinormisimus2138 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      camolotthe42 isnt insight like knowlage lets say ehen you get 40 insight you can see amegdala you are losing your mind and stuff you start seeing things not eyes on the inside

  • @azrael8924
    @azrael8924 8 ปีที่แล้ว +150

    Finally bought Bloodborne, years of Souls experience filling me with a great sense of preparedness. I valiantly escape the sickroom after killing the beast with my bare hands and make my way towards the bridge dodging hordes of enemies armed with pitchforks, torches,and rifles, I escape the horde and feel a great sense of relief..... When all the sudden I'm assassinated by a confused looking Golden Retriever.... It was at that moment I realized what a horrible commitment I had just made

    • @shinny_grimmy
      @shinny_grimmy 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Solaire Yup. We are gluttons for punishment

    • @aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051
      @aldiascholarofthefirstsin1051 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Ahhh, another fellow like me, who killed the first beast with their bare hands, like some sort of Doomslayer.

    • @remmondharris5884
      @remmondharris5884 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you could kill the first beast with your bare hands then maybe it's you the real beast

  • @KaneDesign
    @KaneDesign 9 ปีที่แล้ว +171

    the Doll in the workshop has quite an interesting little detail about it, its fingers twitch every once in a while.

  • @Jacksonhasjacob
    @Jacksonhasjacob 8 ปีที่แล้ว +153

    "Oh flora, of the moon, of the dream" she's referring to the moon presence.

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      +Jacob Jackson Moon flower?

    • @Jacksonhasjacob
      @Jacksonhasjacob 8 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      +Silver Mont yes, if you read the direct Japanese translation, the moon presence' name is flora

    • @bloodrosereaper2099
      @bloodrosereaper2099 8 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      +Jacob Jackson and in a twisted kind of light, the moon presence does kind of resemble a sort of... twisted or rotting flower. fitting you should see it in a garden, illuminated only by moon light then, yes?

  • @zacharyhawley1693
    @zacharyhawley1693 9 ปีที่แล้ว +94

    I think she is a manifestation of the one thing all hunters cling so desperately to above all else. And was imbued with life because of the elder ones or perhaps as a side effect of the hunters dream.
    Hope.
    That curious little thing that allows them to fight against beasts and their own warring natures in search of dangerous knowledge. She doesn't need to be grand or resplendent. She just needed to be there and in a form humanity would be able to understand and be in a form that could give comfort however small.
    So it really doesn't matter if she is a doll that transcended her unliving nature in the dream or a elder one using the medium of a doll to interact with lower dimensional beings. The effect is the same.

    • @festethephule7553
      @festethephule7553 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Zachary Hawley
      Reminds me of Pandora's box.

  • @salad1000
    @salad1000 7 ปีที่แล้ว +151

    *that's not blood coming out of her* remember the first time you talked to gehrman, he says "you're free to use anything you like. even the doll... should it please you"
    this is not a joke.

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  7 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      he ho

    • @jerry1dc
      @jerry1dc 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Drew Mega 😂

    • @erob9446
      @erob9446 4 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I think that's just like the Dad giving the Boy "the Pass"

    • @battt1718
      @battt1718 4 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      I wouldn't be surpirsed if Gerhman did use the doll like that, but that doesn't mean she literally bleeds jizz. That would be absurd. She either bleeds white because she's made of clay, or maybe because she's a creation of a Great One. Some Great Ones bleed white too I believe. Did Gerhman get it on with them too?

    • @soldier8424
      @soldier8424 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@battt1718 There is a rumor that Gerhman had sex with the Orphan of kos's mother which lead to the birth of it. After you defeat it the doll gets a new dialogue saying something like " Good hunter, I have felt a change. Gerhman has been able to sleep peacefully for once compared to other days." Something like that. Its as if hes happy you got rid of his bastard or ended its suffering.

  • @Opticfreakinbarrel
    @Opticfreakinbarrel 9 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Great video, as always! That 'gods love their creations' line that you mentioned is especially interesting. It takes the player's relationship with the Plain Doll, a relationship that would seem to be the only one in the game built on pure love and trust, and turns it on its head. She might love the player, but does she have a choice? Creepy shit...

  • @maximusatlas9377
    @maximusatlas9377 9 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    When I started thinking of all the things you said I actually started to look at the doll (who I love so much) and the hunters dream in so many new ways. Wow I actually have to admit all this points of view and info plus trying to connect one thing with the other its amazing. Plus I loved the fact that you said That Micolash is Gerhmans counter part, Mergo is the moon pressense counter part and the Went nurse is the Dolls counter part. That actually made say " OMG its so true"

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Chris Atlas Jimenez Those were just the parallels I saw between them, at any rate! I do think they must be at least somewhat intentional, though.

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      *****
      Maybe, yeah

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      *****
      Not a lot about the Moon Presence makes sense, unfortunately.

    • @ageofgambino2138
      @ageofgambino2138 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Silver Mont the doll is Connected To Mother Brain(Forgot actual Name) But The Beings That Frenzy You Are Dolls That Have Been Corrupted

    • @Helman114
      @Helman114 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Chris Atlas Jimenez WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT, hold on a moment.
      The Dolls counterpart of THE WET NURSE?
      Does that mean... We are Margo?! (Yharnam's kid, forgot if this is the real name)

  • @-chippedstars-2889
    @-chippedstars-2889 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    She's basically our keeper/nanny, and I love her

  • @minderleister9255
    @minderleister9255 9 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    play this game since a week,i am on the blood starving beast. This game is just masterpiece.

    • @Celestiial
      @Celestiial 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Add me if you need any help :) psn:cod_loverz1st

    • @minderleister9255
      @minderleister9255 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      COD_LOVERz1st
      haha thanks alot,now i´m on the newborn one.
      first of all i got to have a plus membershipt :/ but i noticed your name ;)

    • @a.fakename1686
      @a.fakename1686 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just beat the game, she's definately familiar with the Cosmos if you know which ending I got ;D

  • @thanekrios3705
    @thanekrios3705 9 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    It's quite a complex character because even if the Doll in the dream holds some memories of the old Doll, she seems unaware that Gherman was her creator even though she knows a great deal about him. As for Gherman not caring for her, well he's not the same man prior to the dream (broken), but she doesn't even fling when you kill him.
    So lets say she has both the memories/knowledge of her new/old self and was indeed created by the same entity that created the Dream, as a familiar companion for Gherman in his hard task knowing the frailty of humanity AND a medium to help wrothy hunters (with insight) transfer what they gathered into power, why doesn't she care again about her new creator dying ??
    Could it be because the hunter (you) were the only one to ever show her true affection and taught her how to "feel" ?? Whatever she was and what she became at the end of things, it's either extremely sinister or very simple and innocent.
    Great video as always.

    • @Undercroft.
      @Undercroft. 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Thane Krios I still wonder if Gherman was her creator, perhaps he was sucked into the dream like we are, perhaps Gherman was hunting her creator? Speculation I know but its fun to think about.

    • @MrSticksASMR
      @MrSticksASMR 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      +Thane Krios you know what would be cool? if the Doll reacted differently in the endings depending on if you gave her the hair ornament or not. Like that moment is when she stopped caring about Gehrman and started caring about you.

    • @ayoungzachmorris2763
      @ayoungzachmorris2763 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Con Artist Didn't she care for all hunters and was confused about the concept of love ?

    • @HunterWhoLaughs
      @HunterWhoLaughs 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Makes sense

    • @AberrantKoala
      @AberrantKoala ปีที่แล้ว

      @a young Zach morris her dialogue actually says that she wonders if we love her, she says that of course she loves us

  • @malcolm5765
    @malcolm5765 9 ปีที่แล้ว +134

    I don't mean this in a romantic way but you have the softest voice it's really
    Cool

    • @argisus1279
      @argisus1279 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      +Malcolm LaPrairie he does lol i almost fell asleep because it's so calming

    • @Galethvia
      @Galethvia 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +огарков господин I love this guy's voice.

  • @Daywalker777r
    @Daywalker777r 8 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    god i love my bloodborne character so much

  • @hiob8566
    @hiob8566 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love these pictures you take as thumbnail for your vids very much! Through the whole series... but this one, this one is simply the best i´ve ever seen in terms of fitting with the plot, cutness and funny touch on it ☺️ Great artwork!

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +hiob85 the artist will be glad you like it!

  • @mothcircle
    @mothcircle 8 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Damn you and vaati are the best! Keep it up man!

  • @cloudbloom
    @cloudbloom 8 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    the music in upper cathedral ward is some of the creepiest shit I've ever heard

  • @blameekatoneikosipente482
    @blameekatoneikosipente482 5 ปีที่แล้ว +54

    I have the Arabic version of the game, she is called the "abandoned doll" rather than a "plain doll"

    • @natnatnatting
      @natnatnatting 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      There is an Arabic version of the game??? That is quite interesting

  • @TheElshagan
    @TheElshagan 9 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    While I agree with alot in these theories, I will say I don't believe the moon presence is the source of the hunters dream. I actually believe the doll is the source of the dream, the moon presence merely helped create it. You see in life the doll was inanimate and the creator obviously had a deep love for it. I find it possible that as the moon presence ripped the hunters workshop into the dream, that it made the doll the source due to the love the creator had for the doll.
    Now concerning the pale blood you make an interesting point, that her blood is pale. So "find the pale blood" could simply mean find the doll, thing being your not explicitly told you found the pale blood so you press onwards, forwards on this search, this hunt for the pale blood. In the same manner I do believe that the messengers are her "children" due to their pale ghostly nature and how she refers to them as little ones. Children created and given form by the dream I believe she's the source off.

    • @Undercroft.
      @Undercroft. 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Januk I do think your theory is cool and is pretty sensible, but I think its cool to think that the great ones had some hand in it, some sort of granted wish.

    • @objectivityguy5399
      @objectivityguy5399 9 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      +Januk note the hunters dream still exist after you kill the moon presence, its possible the doll was created by the moon presence to watch over gherman yet i believe she is more just like the bell lady and herald the soul's level up npc are aways hiding something

    • @TheElshagan
      @TheElshagan 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      +Nicolas Lopes (Objectivity Guy) so does the Nightmare of Mensis tho even after you kill Mergo wet nurse N argueably Mergo. So I think n that's purely gameplay wise but hence why I thought the doll is the source of the dream like a program, the moon presence created her but she sustains it. Kill her for good N the dream stops.

    • @wanderingedge
      @wanderingedge 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      +Januk thats an interesting theory, but the reason why i think the Moon Presence is still the source is because Gherman has clearly done this before with other hunters making it seem like the rest of the Souls series "all will play out again", and remember before the dream she was literally a plain doll, most likely made by Gherman. when we kill the Moon Presence our character becomes an infant great one, i believe that the dream does not stop because our character just became the new Moon Presence, thus sustaining the dream, and time will play out again, a new Gherman will become the first hunter, make a new doll. and to expand on this video i believe that maybe your character is the host, Gherman is the wet nurse because he attacks you and you only meet the Moon Presence AFTER Gherman dies, the Moon Presence is Mergo and the doll....is the Pthumerian queen, notice that she loves you, cares for you, wants you to be stronger and find your worth, everything a mother would do, she might even have the soul or blood of the Pthumerian Queen, she even looks like her with her pale skin and hair and she raises you when you become an infant Great One like how she would have done with Mergo.

    • @TheElshagan
      @TheElshagan 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Joshua Singh You do make a really good point, I just find it hard for an infant great one to possess the capability of retaining a creation made by another.

  • @cloudbloom
    @cloudbloom 8 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    holy crap at 6:38 I never noticed that the statue you are looking at has stitches right across the forehead indicating some kind of cranial removal/brain surgery

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      +cloudbloom Pretty freaky, huh!

    • @seangreen3184
      @seangreen3184 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      To me, it looks more like a stitched on mask which is still quite messed up

  • @eggkneel1943
    @eggkneel1943 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Oh my God she's praying for me, I'm so touched.

  • @paranidherc
    @paranidherc 9 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    My favorite character in the souls-series.

  • @DayVidsgaming
    @DayVidsgaming 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    the more blood the doll gets the more real she becomes it's scary and creepy but maybe she was a shell of something

  • @SwitcherooU
    @SwitcherooU 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great stuff as usual.
    From does a better job than anybody of presenting all these possibilities and connections, without making them explicit, and without providing enough evidence to encourage or discourage the discussion.

  • @stranded3110
    @stranded3110 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I can see another dlc in the making... The Doll Maker would be a great name for it

  • @thatfezguy8330
    @thatfezguy8330 8 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    The old hunters dlc makes this character even more interesting

  • @cloudbloom
    @cloudbloom 9 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    i think the first hunter created the doll, and that's his gravestone that she is kneeling at sometimes

    • @willymite4119
      @willymite4119 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +cloudbloom Gerhman was the first hunter

    • @allmytoonsareblue
      @allmytoonsareblue 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +willy mite maybe she remember's his old self, before the Moon Presence took control

    • @Bakesale59
      @Bakesale59 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      +cloudbloom It's your grave she's mourning. If you get the chance to hear her mourn, you can tell that she's clearly talking about you(especially since her dialogue changes from "his" to "hers" depending on your gender). She implies that you are captive in the dream and she hopes that one day you will break the cycle(i.e. becoming a Great One).

    • @Ryukishi_Raigo
      @Ryukishi_Raigo 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The first grave probably belongs to Gehrman first disciple, if you go to the abandoned workshop you can find the old bone.

    • @cloudbloom
      @cloudbloom 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Hasasmo i have to agree, i think it states a few times that ludwig was the first hunter and that old hunter bone was his. gherman was one of ludwigs disciples i think but i could be wrong, it's been a while since I played

  • @toaolisi761
    @toaolisi761 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The thumbnail captures the Doll's adorableness so perfectly, I love it.

  • @Daywalker777r
    @Daywalker777r 8 ปีที่แล้ว +145

    that accent tho

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  8 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Kinda Eastern European Russian'y or something, I think

    • @thesewerrat4895
      @thesewerrat4895 8 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Silver Mont Sounds Ukranian to me, either that or a native Russian who is extremely fluent in English.

    • @osamashaher3772
      @osamashaher3772 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Silver Mont I think it's Japanese. but I can't be sure

    • @bumpyburrito6635
      @bumpyburrito6635 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      French?

    • @rattttooooo
      @rattttooooo 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Its either German or somewhere around that area for sure. The way she says 'something' gives it away. She says 'some(s)ing' which is quite common for Germans to do.

  • @starburner2638
    @starburner2638 7 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Don't know who makes your opening art but wow it's adorable

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  7 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      There's a link in the description

    • @starburner2638
      @starburner2638 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      oh cool

  • @philbattiste9649
    @philbattiste9649 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I get kinda sad whenever I think about the Doll too much. It's sad that she doesn't have a choice to love us as she was created that way and because of that she doesn't know if we even care for her.

    • @eldritchenigma5492
      @eldritchenigma5492 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Phil Battiste she states she loves us.she's in doubt if we care enough.

  • @femtokun
    @femtokun 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The Doll may be an artificial being created to serve the Great Ones. Just like humans do with robots now days. The metaphor of the doll would be much more easier for a human mind (or a dormant Great One in human form) to accept. Just like a butterfly evolves from a larva - the Great Ones could use humans as intermediary vessels before evolving - and while in larva form they go through all necessary experiences needed to faster adapt to this world - a most efficient colonization machine - and just like an advanced virus it becomes part of the host and adapts before taking over completely. Why fight when it is better to adapt - trick the host into passing through all needed and most precious knowledge about surviving a new environment - giving it power bit by bit - discretely tainting it and making the host accept the inevitable transformation. The Doll takes care of the human host - it helps it evolve, just like the gameplay implies. It is about a never ending circle of creation and transformation. The relation between the Doll and the Hunter is most intriguing on so many levels. Humans in their turn are a creation - puppets - for more evolved beings - just vessels to serve in a complex cosmic evolutionary context. This is why the Doll in my opinion, with the key few phrases it speaks, stands at the core of this story. It is philosophy at its finest about existence, about soul and ghost, consciousness and life, about creation and transformation.

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +femtokun Japan do seem to like robo-maids. And robo-death-maids. I guess Doll somewhat fulfilled the latter with the reveal of Maria.

  • @MrBoywonder1985
    @MrBoywonder1985 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    So fascinating. The lore is just amazing in this game. Engrossing.

  • @yuihirasawao9
    @yuihirasawao9 9 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    shes so....... tall.........

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      +Inori Eve I mean, she's not a giant, but she's no midget.

    • @xanthousfishjeretuna9778
      @xanthousfishjeretuna9778 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Viviane Devillers (Inori) She floats slightly above the ground I'm pretty sure

    • @brendajayne4426
      @brendajayne4426 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lady Maria was tall and probaly the doll is based on her.

  • @Beo__98
    @Beo__98 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Going back to Bloodborne this Friday! So excited, to see Yharnam again

    • @eldritchenigma5492
      @eldritchenigma5492 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      98Beowulf welcome back.plenty of players here.

  • @michaelgutierrez8319
    @michaelgutierrez8319 8 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    The plain doll is really beautiful...

  • @gadbenezer9329
    @gadbenezer9329 7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I love the thumbnail art they are so cute.

  • @EssexAlpha
    @EssexAlpha 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Just phenomenal work as always.

  • @1SWINZ1
    @1SWINZ1 9 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    If every Great One loses its child and yearns for a surrogate, then to me, the doll can be seen as a representation of this desire. A doll is something that is made/created to be loved, like a child. But unlike a child, a doll can't fall ill and die, it is not bound by the limitations of living organisms, and with care it'll stay young forever. If anything did happen to the doll and it got damaged, you could either repair it or get a new one, right? Sounds like the ideal ''child'' for a Great One to me.
    If the doll herself is a Great One, then I don't believe that she really looks like that, her outward appearance is a ruse to make her appear friendly to humans, possibly so that she doesn't scare any children away, she made herself look like a doll because children love dolls. Her real appearance would be closer to Amygdala or Ebrietas. Your theory about Odeon being the doll is one that I'm going to ponder over my next playthrough though!
    Yes, I know this is all subjective as hell, I'm speculating here... I have many ideas about Bloodborne's lore, but I have a hard time proving them ideas to be true. I guess that a lot of the lore just can't be proven, it can only be perceived. Awesome video anyway man, I rarely comment, but I watch and enjoy all of your lore videos across all of From Soft games, props!!!

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +SwinnyUK Yeah, I think it's def hinting at something along those lines - the Doll comes across very motherly in the "true" ending of the game, and she is the one who nurtures us throughout the game.

    • @dragonrage8888
      @dragonrage8888 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +SwinnyUK There is no proof who made the doll. Gehrmen seems to be the best option. A counter part is that there is proof in the game that the doll is made from different individuals. Perhaps Gehrman was one of them. What we do know is that gehrman most likely called upon a great one. As stated in the item discription "a great one will answer when call upon". and you find a umbillical cord in the old work shop. There is one big theory i throw out, Did the moon presence give the doll a live? And if so the hunters dream might be really old. Ofcourse From Software will never give us the detail's but i like this theory a lot sinds it would fit the tale. Also gehrman wished to get out of the dream. Another theory that i will blow out in the open. Did gehrman really give you salvation in the first ending? Did you came to close to the through? Was he forced by the moon presence? If you chose to defy him he will state it must be a force of madness. As many hunters before you have gone mad. Well maybe the second bloodborne will give us more information because they intent to make a second one.

    • @dragonrage8888
      @dragonrage8888 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +SwinnyUK did the moon presence give the doll a life*, did you came to close to the truth*

  • @Deathflare56
    @Deathflare56 9 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    This quote jumped out at me: "Oh Flora, of the Moon." Could this be the name of the Moon Presence?

    • @Cadeaux_Man
      @Cadeaux_Man 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      FLORA of the MOON.
      LUMENFLOWER.......

  • @shilekagamer9329
    @shilekagamer9329 7 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I LOVE DIS THUMBNAIL

  • @phoenixsplash135
    @phoenixsplash135 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    'you've found yourself a hunter' seems like the doll talking to Gehrman to me. He oversees the dream and has hunters fight the great ones for the moon presence.
    I like the comparisons between the doll the the wet nurse, never though of it like that.

  • @haunter4764
    @haunter4764 8 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    actually the doll is what Gehrman used to........... well if you go to the abandoned workshop you can hear some tasteful noises but one you go inside those noises stop, plus that conclude that it's not palebloood.....ummm.... Also the doll is made be a model of Gehrman's love, Lady Maria, Mainia stands for fetish in this matter, the Doll is connected to Lady Maria, when given the hair ornament, she feels what Maria was supposed to feel, the hair ornament was intended for Maria

    • @History507
      @History507 8 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      the noises you hear at the abandoned workshop is a glitch and comes from a house thats not even close to the workshop for some reason

    • @haunter4764
      @haunter4764 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      History507 yea found out later on

    • @spikewall5762
      @spikewall5762 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Haunter still funny

    • @spikewall5762
      @spikewall5762 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Haunter also is it maybe possible to give the ornament to maria ?

    • @haunter4764
      @haunter4764 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Umm nope, cuz she get up and wrecks you and yea, you can only give it to the doll

  • @lachlanhowells9624
    @lachlanhowells9624 9 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I'm of the opinion that Gehrman is a pawn being manipulated by two great ones, one being the doll and the second the moon presence. Unfortunately, I can't get into all the evidence I've found to support this here, but I believe that each of the three endings represent a victory for either Gehrman, the moon presence or the doll. Gehrman is aware he is being manipulated, and whilst he cannot escape, he can save us from fulfilling the wishes of his captors. This is why he fights us and also why he provides us with the Yarhnam sunrise ending where we appear in the waking world, free of the great ones control. The second ending, wherein the moon presence absorbs us, fulfils the moon presence's wish of perpetuating the cylce of the hunters dream, allowing it amass more power (or blood or simply destroy rival great ones). The third ending, wherein you become an infant great one is a victory for the doll. The doll now has child great one of her own, of which we are led to believe is a dormant desire for all great ones.
    -Again, this is just my opinion. Would love to hear any disagreements!

    • @wanderingedge
      @wanderingedge 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Lachlan Howells its possible that Gherman offers you the way out to stop you from becoming a beast like many did before you, remember he does comment on you wanting to hunt more for refusing him. As for the rest of your theory i made a theory of my own if you would like to read

    • @lachlanhowells9624
      @lachlanhowells9624 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sure! Where can I access it?

    • @buffsuki_8648
      @buffsuki_8648 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      So you saying The doll is letting Gehrman fuck her to keep control of him??

  • @lowkeyarki7091
    @lowkeyarki7091 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The cutest soulsborne companion ever, the fire keeper from darksouls 3 is also good, but this one seems so frail it's adorable.

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Emerald Herald is still my favourite! But the Doll would have to come in second place.

    • @lowkeyarki7091
      @lowkeyarki7091 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@SilverMont she was cute too, i loved how sometimes you can see her slightly kicking her legs playfully. I guess it was just kinda get into the story cause the lore was all over the place in dark souls 2.

    • @scarletletter5160
      @scarletletter5160 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm inclined to agree, and if I had to rank them it goes:
      #1-The Doll
      #2-Shanalotte/Emerald Herald
      #3-Fire Keeper(DS3)
      #4-Emma(Sekiro)
      #5-The Chick from Demon's Souls(I forgot her name)
      #6-Priscilla

  • @Invincible-Under-the-Sun
    @Invincible-Under-the-Sun 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think your lore videos are the best on youtube.

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Hideo Kojima Thanks Kojima!

  • @BIZKITKID86
    @BIZKITKID86 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I've been waiting for this lore :-D

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Guts Dragonslayer Get off the ship, Guts!

    • @BIZKITKID86
      @BIZKITKID86 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Silver Mont not until I kill every last Demon with my sword.

    • @Undercroft.
      @Undercroft. 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Guts Dragonslayer Never stop

    • @BlackenedDrummer
      @BlackenedDrummer 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Silver Mont he's been on that ship for like 8 years, hes never leaving!

    • @MrSticksASMR
      @MrSticksASMR 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Guts Dragonslayer Guts! We need you! Griffith/Femto isn't dead yet!

  • @malbhet
    @malbhet 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I believe Annalise is the equivalent of the doll, Martyr Logarius is just like Gehrman, and the great one of Cainhurst castle will probably be dlc. I also believe the Blood Minister from the very beginning is the Chalice Dungeon Boss - Bloodletting Beast, if you look closely at its face, it kinda looks like him, and he could have been a high ranking church member like Laurence, who also became the headless boss in the chalice dungeons.

  • @dravendfr
    @dravendfr 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That intro dialogue occurred for me when you let Gehrman kill you and you start new game plus. She stands by a new grave, and if you approach without talking to her she will say this dialogue. When you do talk to her she will talk about a hunter she once knew and it is clear it is you she is talking about, the grave doesn't appear until you do this once, whether or not more graves will appear if you pick this ending again, I don't know, but I am not about to find out. Soon to get platinum on Bloodborne.

    • @NinjapowerMS
      @NinjapowerMS 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't know if we should take everything about that dialogue serious.
      Because if we do, it would mean that Mergo and Rom is revived again? How about the NPCs? Makes no sense. It would mean that its The 'Hunt' is a never ending cycle for everyone unless we kill Moon presence.
      Or we should just take it that Miyazaki just put that bit there as a bonus easter egg for us but its not really canonically our character on the first play through.

    • @dravendfr
      @dravendfr 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      NinjapowerMS I do believe it is a never ending cycle unless we kill the Moon Presence personally.

    • @NinjapowerMS
      @NinjapowerMS 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Vlad Tepes Dracul The hunt is always a never ending cycle but it is implied to have a different objective, a different contract for other hunters.
      But if we're taking the Plain doll's grief in NG+ it would mean that Moon Presence is recreating Old Gods like Rom or Mergo is makes no sense since contracted us to eliminate them in the first place so Moon presence can take over.

    • @whytho5607
      @whytho5607 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Actually I've started playing the game for the first time on my ps4 and heard her saying that exact thing right next to the DLC headstone, I wasn't sure if she was talking about us or not because that is the one leading to the Hunter's Nightmare.

  • @nineten9011
    @nineten9011 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i think mother kos conciousness reincarnated with the gerhman grief, and also with maria (as she regretted byrgenwerth heavily).
    creating the doll, she is motherly in nature because she was expecting a child(orphan of kos) before she was killed.
    she lost all her memories, thus a new conciousness was created which was no longer mother kos(kinda like a duel conciousness) this conciousness awoke as a plain doll, while the other activated a curse(hunter nightmare).

  • @FewNewReasonss
    @FewNewReasonss 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    She is a great one. The reason you can't interact with her at first is you need insight to talk with great ones.

  • @Ekkaisara
    @Ekkaisara 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    wow i never noticed how gorgeous the doll was

  • @PaladinfffLeeroy
    @PaladinfffLeeroy 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    May be late to this one but I think that the doll is a manifestation of Maria, made by the Moon Presence, for multiple reasons.
    Who has trapped us in the hunter's dream?
    Who trapped Gehrman in the dream?
    Who has granted this dream to us?
    The Moon Presence.
    As long as we are captive in the dream we are being revived time and again.
    Now why would a Great One imprison a whole bunch of hunters? What would it's goals be by doing so?
    I figured that it would be, to hunt.
    Hunt what? A Great One. A Great One who can pose a threat to the Moon Presence. Mergo.
    On to the Doll and the "Little Ones".
    I think the Doll has been granted life by the Moon Presence, who probably has powers over lifeforce, Blood.
    Why would it do that? Well, what would you think a human would be scared of the most? A huge flying tentacle spiny creature or a Doll resembling a human? I'd say the latter one.
    As for the little ones. I think the little ones are manifestations of the Moon Presence in the real world.
    Why?
    They are what connects ALL of the hunters the Moon Presence has imprisoned in the dream. They are the ones that probably leave those messages behind that tell the player to seek paleblood. Most likely also the creatures that laid the message from the Vileblood Queen in the place where you started the game. How else is a message directly addressed to you, by name no less, going to end up in the same location as you started off? The Vileblood Queen always speaks of herself as "We". Like there was some kind of presence communicating with her, through her maybe(?).
    The Moon Presence has the ability to bend blood to it's will, as we can see in the Kill Gehrman ending where he makes you take Gehrmans place. I don't think the Doll is a Great One even though she sheds paleblood, I think that she's a manifestation manufactured by the Moon Presence as gift for Gehrman. Given power to enbibe the blood echo's to strengthen the hunters who are doing Moon Presence's dirty work.
    This is all speculation of course, as it concerns a "Souls" game, but maybe my thoughts can add something to the understanding of the lore in this game.

    • @Derpmagicz
      @Derpmagicz 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Paladin Leeroy I'm sorry to pop your bubble but the queen never sends the player a message, unless you mean the cainhurst summons, the moon presence has no relation to blood, and the messages are just tidbits laying around, which we know because the first one in the clinic is written by the player. Also the vileblood queen say's we because thats what royals do, and its called the very creative "royal we".

    • @eldritchenigma5492
      @eldritchenigma5492 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Derpmagicz i think he means the letter sent to our name.

  • @tomthestone1470
    @tomthestone1470 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    From the dlc trailer if you see gehrman I have a theory that the gehrman in the hunters dream is a illusion from the moon presence like if you believe this theory because that's he has no feelings to the doll is disgusted by his own name and a lot more

  • @jasonachilles2613
    @jasonachilles2613 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    perhaps oedon the formless one is who the plain doll may be?

  • @mrmustache7023
    @mrmustache7023 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow I dont comment to much but this deserves a wow one of your best if not thy best lore videos i was modding morrowind and i still got chills from just listening to this.

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Mr,Mustache Are you modding the Doll into Morrowind? That'd be... well that'd be kinda weird, actually. Although could be fun, too. I bet someone out there has made a TC of one of the ES games turning it into Lordran or something haha

  • @Knyex
    @Knyex 8 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Just saying, guys:
    The Moon Presence seems to be weak as shit for a great one. A newborn son of Kos is way stronger.
    So what if the Moon Presence is a failed great one and the doll is the mother?
    That would make sense if we follow his theory that we become the doll's surrogate. We do become a great one after killing the moon presence after all. We literally replace it as the origin of the dream.

    • @ZZWWYZ
      @ZZWWYZ 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +Nicolas Reali What if the entire dream is the Moon Presence 's plan all along to get rid of other Great Ones before they pose a threat to it. If my memory doesn't fail me , all the Great Ones we fought are still in their newborn/children form .
      Could it be that we are just pawns that the Moon Presence use to play its game of power ?

    • @RaulLopez-fy2fn
      @RaulLopez-fy2fn 8 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Maybe it's not that the Moon Presence is weak, it's just that, lore-wise, the hunter has become much stronger after consuming the umbilical cords, effectively surpassing it on it's way to become a true Great One.

  • @githreepi136
    @githreepi136 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think the abandoned Doll was the original doll and was replaced by a great one :o

  • @666Masque666
    @666Masque666 9 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Have you checked if the doll takes more damage from thrust attacks? I think all of the kin are weak to them right? it could possibly help the theory, or maybe bring no new info, who knows!

    • @isayaragnes8066
      @isayaragnes8066 9 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      +666Masque666 She is week to thrust attacks for another reason (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

    • @ellisriding9411
      @ellisriding9411 9 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      +Isaya Ragnes eyyyyyyyy!!!

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +666Masque666 IIIII have not checked that!

    • @igfj9241
      @igfj9241 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Isaya Ragnes weak*

  • @irlfc9
    @irlfc9 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think Oedon is much more connected to Mergo and the wet nurse (who in her own way is formless) Basically Arianna is connected to Oedon who is connected to Cainhurst who is connected to the queen yarhnam and her vile blood who is the original surrogate of Oedon, who give birth to Mergo, but was an advanced still birth. The moon presence and Oedon are definitely enemies, though what exactly the moon presence wanted from the death of Mergo I can only speculate. They just have this great contrast, the strength and cunning of Oedon vs the primal rage of the moon presence
    The doll is so different, I believe she is a fully ascended great one, not merely kin and her main belief compared to the other true great ones (Amygdala, Moon presence, Oedon) is her faith in the ability to care for someone to payoff, no real manipulation needed, unlike the other three.

  • @spookish4167
    @spookish4167 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    i believe insight is insanity. A measure of the degradation of the hunter's state of mind.

    • @bobhappy6448
      @bobhappy6448 9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      +SsGloom I think the insight is knowledge, which makes you insane from all the f*cked up shit going on

    • @spookish4167
      @spookish4167 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Bob Happy Very possible/probable. i just feel like the hunter gradually goes insane and eventually cannot distinguish man from beast and just slaughters everything in sight.

    • @bobhappy6448
      @bobhappy6448 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +SsGloom ha in sight insight. Anyways yeah that makes sense too but there's also the fact that you have people in the chapel that you don't (probably) kill so there us some flaws in that to but hey, it's just a theory

    • @spookish4167
      @spookish4167 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Bob Happy truuuue. Who is the last person you're able to send into the chapel? If it's fairly early in the game, the character may not have cracked yet. Also, maybe the incense those characters keep nearby allow the hunter some sort of clarity.
      I don't remember where I read it but I do know that it's pretty common for hunters to go insane and kill everything, which is why the Hunters of Hunters exist (or as Eileen calls them, Hoonters of Hoonters).
      Insight pun was unintended lol

    • @bobhappy6448
      @bobhappy6448 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      SsGloom Yeah yeah true. And the hunters going insane is like the 2nd boss father gascoigne but that was because the blood corrupted him. So maybe its a combination of both those things?

  • @Grandsheba
    @Grandsheba 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I do think the doll Is the owner of the dream. As all hunters know of her and even after leaving the dream or killing Gherman the dream remains, the nightmare repeats over and over and all even the citizens know it will return.

  • @Second247
    @Second247 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    My theory is somewhat different. Player after taking umbical cords basically pregantes himself/herself. I've often thought that it's because player becomes Old One that Moon Presence don't do it's thing but not anymore.
    Encouter with Moonpresence leades to stillbirth. Sluggish creature Doll picks up is not player but child of Player and Moonpresence. But Doll calls it Dear Hunter, doesn't she not? Well it's because it's offspring.
    Examples? Brain-like creature Mensis in Nightmare of Mensis. It's said that Mergo's and Mensis's contact with each other led into still birth of their BRAIN. Called Mensis. So perhaps there is pattern of giving name of parent to stillbirth-child.
    And thus player yearn for surrogate by playing the game over and over again.
    dun-dun-dun.

  • @SomeGuy-qd3li
    @SomeGuy-qd3li 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Remember at the beginning where the old guy said something about letting you use anything, including the doll, and the doll is not moving...
    I'm not saying anything but that old has done something withe that doll...

  • @DougsDiggers
    @DougsDiggers 9 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    WAIFU

  • @PaszerDye
    @PaszerDye 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is the first video of yours I've seen in a while. So it's refreshing to see you syncing your video context with you dialogue.

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +PaszerDye It was one of those rare occasions where I managed to make it match up!

    • @PaszerDye
      @PaszerDye 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Silver Mont
      Shouldn't you be striving for that though? IMO it helps with retention, helps keep people watching.

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      PaszerDye
      It's not a priority, no.

    • @PaszerDye
      @PaszerDye 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Silver Mont
      It does get distracting if they don't sync up. After all, it is a lore video. People don't just come to listen.
      Anyway, it's your call.

  • @iprobablyforgot5519
    @iprobablyforgot5519 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I got so upset when you hit her😂😭

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      It had to be this way

  • @MackDogLive
    @MackDogLive 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hmm... Just a thought, and it may be explained in the upcoming DLC, The Old Hunters, but, perhaps, The Doll in the abandoned workshop was modeled after a lover Gherman had, whom was used as a surrogate to give birth to the Moon Presence. Perhaps the woman died (Like Queen Yharnam with her C-Section), and a distraught Gherman made the doll in her image, thus alluding to the care that was put into her item lore. Some time later, the Moon Presence matures and Gherman pleads for more time with doll, thus he is whisked away into the Hunter's Dream, where insight brings the Doll to life.
    At a cost to maintain the dream, the Moon Presence, always a PALE hue in the sky, requires it's essence to be in the doll in order for it to gain life and eternally maintain the dream. And with all the rather humanoid-like Great Ones, Insight and knowledge is required to see her animated. And in regards to her feeling "joy" when she's given the hair ornament, it may have been a memento from the woman she was crafted after, eliciting a rush of empathy?

  • @868edgar
    @868edgar 9 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The best from waifu

  • @zoeblopaistinpannu5278
    @zoeblopaistinpannu5278 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i feel like ''insight'' is actually just the hunter losing his mind, this is supported by the fact that he starts to see things and that some enemies grow stronger

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +zoeblo paistinpannu If a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, then omniscience must surely be lethal!

  • @madwitchdoctor7216
    @madwitchdoctor7216 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hey Mont, do you have any idea why there are spectres near the abandoned doll at the abandoned worship within the Chapel Ward?

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      What do you mean by spectres? Like bloodstains of other players? Or the little messengers?

    • @madwitchdoctor7216
      @madwitchdoctor7216 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Silver Mont
      Spectres of the dead. How they kind of replicate the bloodstain from Dark Souls.

    • @madwitchdoctor7216
      @madwitchdoctor7216 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Silver Mont
      I've seen tons of players dying around that inanimate doll and it's bothering me into thinking I'm missing something there.

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  7 ปีที่แล้ว

      adam hossman
      Probably just plays killing themselves to get out of there.

    • @eldritchenigma5492
      @eldritchenigma5492 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Silver Mont what do you mean by "get out of there"?

  • @hcook1023
    @hcook1023 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the Amygdala reference is a good point we gained enough insight to see it. I think the Doll is the same way she's just much younger so not something the mind can't comprehend so required less insight, basically an infant Great One or servant.

  • @mexicanpapi3677
    @mexicanpapi3677 8 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    lol is that Casca

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't think so!

    • @mexicanpapi3677
      @mexicanpapi3677 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Silver Mont lol I was tripped up for a second and thought is that casca. But damn doll even went into the berserk universe of all places to be a care taker. Now that doll has some big plastic balls to go to that god forsaken place.

  • @lnenke2195
    @lnenke2195 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    In your video discussing lady Maria you mentioned her not being aware of his curious mania. The same word is used describing the doll when it is said that it was made with a sort of mania. I believe this is proof the doll is based off Lady Maria

  • @Boringspy
    @Boringspy 7 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Wet nurse... heheheh

  • @theathen6260
    @theathen6260 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    this cover pic is my new favorite followed by the emerald heralds pic, and do the eye ball monsters that cause frenzy have the same cloths as the doll, other the the eye ball thing having blood and no old lady blanket on there back, maybe Micolash made her that might explane why Gehrman seems distant to her

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +The Athen They seem to be using parts of the same assets/model, yeah.

  • @dansiomgray5401
    @dansiomgray5401 9 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Ciaran > Doll For Best Waifu

    • @LetSwine
      @LetSwine 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree

    • @dansiomgray5401
      @dansiomgray5401 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Someone Praise This Man ^

    • @LetSwine
      @LetSwine 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Dandalf ThyRed thanks but don't praise me praaaise the suuuuun

    • @Punishthefalse
      @Punishthefalse 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Dandalf ThyRed But Ciaran's not available.

    • @LetSwine
      @LetSwine 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Punishthefalse im sure artorias doesn't mind

  • @noahmasterson1999
    @noahmasterson1999 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've seen many comments pertaining to as to why the Winter Lanterns, the monster women in the nightmare, have the clothes of the doll! Well, I have theory to that. My theory is that in the Nightmare, those who enter, only see what follows their deepest fears. I.E. The Doll turning against you, or maybe, the hunter fears her piercing gaze and how she may judge them. There's also the strange beasts who are docile at first, then vicious upon noticing you. These certain beasts carry human aspects. This fear may be of the hunter's fear of beasts in general, killing people who have become monstrosities, or so on. Then you have spiders... That answers itself. Just, spiders. And then you have the giants you frequently encounter, the Shadows of Yharnam being because of the sudden and hectic fight, the pigs because of their disgusting forms, etc.

    • @owlwithantlers
      @owlwithantlers 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Noah Masterson An interesting theory, and certainly one that would fit in with the fact that the School of Mensis--and Micolash--acted basically in secret and ran their school through fear. It's mentioned that the Yaharg'hul Hunters are kidnappers who try to be invisible and promote fear, and they were part of the School of Mensis strain of Hunters, so it would make sense for the Nightmare--of which Mensis is the host--would become a place where worst fears are realized, especially if you consider that Mergo's Wet Nurse probably did this in order to protect Mergo. Who or what else would be better to keep a hunter away from an infant great one, than to create a nightmare? And who better to run it, than a man whose school manipulated what it means to be a hunter, turning them from protectors against beasts into something far more sinister?

  • @michaelyo874
    @michaelyo874 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I bet vaati is watching and writing down things u said so he can copy it.

  • @oliverskak
    @oliverskak 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just noticed you hit 50000k subs!! Congratulations Silvermont!!

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Oliver Emil Ancher Skak Noice

    • @oliverskak
      @oliverskak 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      50k lol.. mistakes were made.

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oliver Emil Ancher Skak
      When I hit 50000k, I'll be like, one of the biggest channels around! Indeed if not the biggest. All will bow to me.

    • @oliverskak
      @oliverskak 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Straight up world domination

  • @GamerRoman
    @GamerRoman 9 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    You know, when you think about it, a doll is much better than an actual woman, never complains and never says no. (If you catch my drift)

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  9 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      +GamerRoman Uh oh

    • @GamerRoman
      @GamerRoman 9 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Silver Mont Yeah, they'll never deny to level me up.

    • @bloodrosereaper2099
      @bloodrosereaper2099 9 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      +GamerRoman dude, there's only so much that people can agree with. this is not apart of that.

    • @kenetickups6146
      @kenetickups6146 9 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      *tips fedora*

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      +GamerRoman That's the worst, isn't it? When you want to level up but they won't let you.

  • @ferrari528
    @ferrari528 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    she actually kinda does hint us at an ending its the submit your life ending as she says may you fortell a pleasant awakening

  • @Infamouschicken19
    @Infamouschicken19 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I feel like old hunter is going to begin in the old workshop

  • @BestCODzombieskiller
    @BestCODzombieskiller 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hold on that makes sense, when you defeat mergos wet nurse the nightmare slain message appears until the child is crying stops, and the nightmare is destroyed but when you defeat the moon presence, the supposedly source and creator of the hunters dream, the dream remains there and with gherman also freed from the hunters dream the only one remaining is the doll, so is she the real source of the dream? And if she is then it would make sense to be odeon, because its shapeless so he took the dolls body and helped amd guided the hunter to mergo... Odeons child

  • @LordFlaggy
    @LordFlaggy 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I take the term "Insight" literally and believe it means sight on the inside or "eyes" on the inside.

  • @MrTahabk
    @MrTahabk 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Maybe Gherman lost his wife or someone he loves to the beastly scurge, and created that doll to love. Because the doll being unable to die, cannot be affected by the disease.. Which is why they claim she has paleblood. Unable to die and unaffected by waking from this dream the great one trapped her in. Maybe that is why she is here in the dream... She was once loved a lot then abandoned.. like many dolls.. people.. have E.G Toy Story..

  • @TheNoMoreGamer
    @TheNoMoreGamer 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yknow another good connection is that the abandoned workshop is found connected to Oeden chapel, but a big red flag waved at me when the doll said she had a feeling of "yearning", something mentioned in the description of the umbilical cords as a feeling Great Ones have when they lose their children. Who knows, maybe she's nurturing us to becoming a Great One.

  • @HunterWhoLaughs
    @HunterWhoLaughs 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I can buy plain doll secretly being a great one given a form and may have indeed wanted the hunter to become a great one so he or she could become plain doll's surrogate child but cares even about the hunter to respect his or her wishes if the hunter wants to leave the hunter's dream.

  • @Luca-sl7tb
    @Luca-sl7tb 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Here's my opinion/theory on the Doll.
    While you made a comparison between the Doll and the Wet Nurse I made a comparison between the Doll and the Brain of Mensis: if we assume that it was Gehrman the one that built the Doll in the Waking World (the DLC might imply that he built the Doll in the shape of Lady Maria, who was one of his apprentices that later ended up trapped in the Hunter's Nightmare) then it's possible that the Moon Presence created the Doll in the Hunter's Dream with the double purpose of helping the Hunters and fulfilling Gehrman wishes of not being lonely anymore (the Great Ones of the dreams are sympathetic in spirit and answer when called upon - Rune Moon), although Gehrman permanence in the Dream seems to have made him lose all sympathy he might have had for the Doll over time. He would just prefer to die at this point.
    In the Nightmare of Mensis there is another being that might have been created by a Great One (Mergo in this case) as fulfillment for a mortal's wishes: the Brain of Mensis of course.The members of the schools of Mensis made their ritual using an Umbilical Cord and awakened Mergo (in this way also causing Yharnam's destruction) in order to have an "audience" with him, probably asking him to gave them "a brain lined with eyes on the inside", which is to say that they were trying to reach the Eldritch Truth by directly contacting a Great One in the Dreamworld. Mergo took their demand very literally and made the Brain of Mensis, resulting in the stillbirth of Mensis' brains (them going crazy). We also know that the Brain of Mensis was a "Legitimate Great One", probably a lesser Great One vastly inferior to things like Oedon, Mergo and the Moon Presence and more similar to creatures like Amygdala, Ebrietas or Rom. I think that it should be noted that even if some Great Ones can create "lesser" Great Ones in the dreams it doesn't mean that they are their "children", as the lesser Great Ones will never be equal to their creators like a real child Great One could be.
    In my theory both the Brain of Mensis and the Plain Doll seems to have been made to fulfill the desires of mortals. Just as the Brain of Mensis can be considered a legitimate Great One on his own so is the Doll, who is a Great One herself and a servant of the Moon Presence, also quite like the Wet Nurse and Mergo. Her role in the Hunter's Dream is to aid the Hunters with her power to channel Blood Echoes and to comfort Gehrman (although he clearly no longer cares for her), the Moon Presence might exert some control over her but just like the Doll I think that the Moon Presence is also generally benevolent toward the Hunter for most of the game, it gets aggressive only if it fails to subdue the Hunter after that he has slain Gehrman.
    So my theory is not really too different from your analysis, I just don't think that the Doll needs to be controlled by something else, she's just a benevolent Great One created to serve and love you.

  • @codeman7780
    @codeman7780 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the vid, Silvermont xD.
    I've missed your lore vids! T^T

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +codeman7780 The one a month schedule has been working pretty well for me! Few more BB videos and then it'll be on to Dark Souls III I expect haha

    • @codeman7780
      @codeman7780 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      That should be pretty cool!
      Will you be getting fallout 4 as well?

    • @codeman7780
      @codeman7780 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or Taken King for Destiny?

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      codeman7780
      Yes to both, I think

    • @codeman7780
      @codeman7780 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Sweeeet ;D.
      I'm not much of a Destiny fan, but the expansion looks like it will make it quite a bit more fun.

  • @alberttus2328
    @alberttus2328 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I never really gave much thought to the phrase of, "Oedan is formless," for I assume to even see or be able to come close to seeing Oedan one would need sufficient insight, that of somewhat equivalent to Oedan. Thus, he has a form, it's just that nobody has been able to see him. I think though that both the moon presence and the doll are in some way 'forms' of Oedan. The moon presence is Oedan in form and power, revealing itself to those that have the ability to see it and possibly threaten it. The Doll is a vessel used to Oedan in order to take blood from Hunters. Though Oedan resides in all blood, it is in the possession of the Hunter when not with the doll. However, I believe that the doll is affected by the lingering will of Maria, given her dialog changes in accordance with Maria events, i.e. the hair comb, assumably a relic of Maria's, and killing Maria. So, while the doll is a doll, it is given life by both Oedan's will and the remnant memories of Maria. In short, half Maria half Oedan while the moon presence is all Oedan.

  • @iWillWakeYouUp
    @iWillWakeYouUp 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lol I love your "maybe". You ask questions everybody would want like to have answered, and then you just go "maybe, and now let's move on". You're sometimes a comedic genius.

    • @SilverMont
      @SilverMont  9 ปีที่แล้ว

      +iWillWakeYouUp I don't have the answers - nobody does, really! If they do, they are probably lying or Miyazaki in disguise looking to start some mischief. That, and a lot of the time I like to lead people without giving them the answer, as I find that more gratifying.