This isn't karste grappling, he's just utilizing Muay Thai shills in combination with his Karate, just a good solid mix of stand up styles for all situations, hopefully they do some form of ground training so they know how to quickly and efficiently get back to their feet should their grappling lead to a throw or a sweep!
@@James-if4zw very true he did use jui jitsu on the ground! Im just hoping it's a regular part of the curriculum and pointing out to the original commenter that those techniques of grappling in the stand up, we're not based in karate but came from Muay Thai 😀
@@James-if4zw the original comment was about how he liked this style of karate because it had grappling, but I was just trying to make the distinction that they are combining karate with other grappling styles to achieve this
nice video- helpful i been curious about what tang soo do looks like in actual motion- i went through quite a few videos now that were less then impressive unfortunately- this is the first one, that even though its light sparring, i can see some solid fundamentals at play and i can see the value here finally- not sure if this is modernized or traditional?- i still dont fully understand what the style's characteristics are just yet- ive sparred / fought taekwondo guys and i have a very solid idea of how they play in motion. i heard tkd and tang soo do were very similar but im not at all seeing that here- this just sorta looks like very loose / beginner mma / kickboxing- which is totally practical of course, i just dont know if like i said its reflective of the style or if this gym / dojo has updated it for more practical self defense? also was wanting to see more movement off the center line- i remember tkd guys loved staying upright constantly and never had any head movement but i guess that works in their world and for their system? i would like to see more body work as well- idk if thats not part of the curriculum- its a short video so who knows- some body work of course would mix up and set more openings up top and help students learn what to react to accordingly- just my two cents my obligatory background if anyone is curious- primarily boxing with a ton of second hand grappling (primarily danzan ryu jujitsu / roman-grecko wrestling and a little judo) taught to me through the years (about 12 years)- but that was back in the day- i havent been "in it" for a long time now- lately ive just been getting fat off of my wifes good cooking since i been out of the military like a typical deadbeat lol doubt anyone will ever read this- but if so, your awesome
Thanks! This definitely is modernized. I practice and teach Tang Soo Do but I’ve spent a lot of time researching practical applications for the forms and cross training in other martial arts. What people normally call traditional is pretty modern too though. People often will call what I do ‘not traditional’ as some sort of slight but I really don’t care. I just want what I do to work. I cross train in boxing currently and am working to integrate more head movement into my approach.
@@ModernTangSooDo fantastic- and i feel the same way- focus on what works- in my opinion it would be a disservice to students not setting them up for success should they ever need it- as boxing is the core of my experience i am a bit biased with the art, but i will admit yes, on its own it is woefully incapable to deal with kicks and especially grappling, but in my own experience of rounding out its shortcomings with wrestling, judo, and jujitsu nothing feels more satisfying then having the advantage in close range and clinch / "dirty boxing" stand up- so i suppose i find your direction of taking tang soo do as your base and rounding it out with solid and effective styles to compliment and fill in gaps is something im all too familiar with lol from what i can tell, your a great instructor / coach- keep up the good work bro
the biggest problem with tang soo do, is that it trains you to not keep your hands up after throwing punches. all those katas train you to charge up your punches from the hip - not good.
What it trains is unconscious loading and release of the muscle groups you use to strike and defend. That training naturally brings out the power of your attacks when you're actually using a guard in sparring or a fight. The pullback to hip is also incorporated into a number of wrist locks and takedowns later on. Overall, the way it's taught is as a system of common movements that are drilled into the student until they're second nature and can then be adapted to a wide variety of situations.
To me forms are largely an ornamental part of the my training methodology. They have historical, interpretative, and aesthetic value. Good as a light form of exercise too. They don’t do much to contribute to your fighting ability, and I agree that they even can teach bad habits. They’re choreographed sequences of poses.
I'm going to disagree, when doing forms in TSD, yes your hands are down, but only because that's what the form requires. However, sparring is much different and we are taught to keep our hands up at all times.
@PracticalTangSooDo Forms are great exercise indeed, but in an actual situation your body is going to react no matter what. Forms, I believe teach good habits that help support TSD in other TSD exercises
I didn't knew tang soo do before and honestly never heard of it, but it looks like a mix of brazilian jiujitsu and mixed martial arts! I really like it Those light punches at 2:16 made me laugh haha, master humbling the student a lil bit is always fun I recently started doing bjj and i get my ass handed in every class by everyone and its fun for me to see how they go easy on me but still feels like a complete obliteration
Tang so do is basically what chuck Norris started in.too many Martial arts are looking like mma.train your style to defend whatever you might encounter. Good stuff tho
i'm not a fan of this 'light to no contact' sparring. I mean, you will get dellusions about your technic, if you never get hit. Like in 1:52 when get guy with headgear reveived this spinning hook kick, he doesnt even bother to parry, he then throws a frontkick and spins into it with what looks like a spinning back fist. Dude, why would you just wildy expose your back after you stepped right into his boxing distance with your own attack? If this would be ANYthing near a real fight or a fullcontact fight, you'd pay dearly for that. And guys, i know people need to built up their repertoire, reflexes etc. But why learn unuseful and simply false stuff that wont ever work when put to the test? You can do shadowboxing and light contact as long as you want. Thats your right. But please learn technics that actually function when under pressure!!
Nonsense. First off you're not paying attention. The reason why the dude who threw the front kick even spun around is because his opponent circle-blocked the front kick. That makes you spin and expose your back. That's the whole point of that block. So you're not even watching what's happening, but you're criticizing and talking the big game. Secondly, you have mistaken expectations of sparring. It will never be like a real full contact fight or even a self defense situation and it shouldn't be. Light sparring and hard contact sparring are both important, but there is no point in beating each other up. Thinking that by doing that you'd be better prepared for a "real" situation is completely wrong. The quality of your sparring will always depend on your mindset and approach. It's up to you to take it seriously and stick to things that you know would be possible in a real fight. A lot of people don't do this. For example not acknowledging clear KO shots. Like. you get a perfect opening for a clean head kick and you throw it, but pull it before connecting because that's the smart thing to do in sparring. Normally your opponent should know: OK, this is where I would have been knocked out. But since you didn't hit them, they do stupid things like pushing you over because you're standing on one leg etc. That's dumb sparring, because it wouldn't happen that way "for real". But you can't help that by sparring like a maniac and following through with the kick and taking people's heads off in practice. Whether one learns something in sparring or not is one's personal responsibility.
@@honigdachs. he 'touched' his foot? that's what you called a block? jesus, you guys need some serious anti- delusion spray. he could just pull back his feet, place it on the ground and go for either a switch kick or punches. You guys seriously dont fight good muay thai guys and for real never do full contact sparring. In this scenarios you will just get your front foot/ side pumelled by low kicks. And no, you clearly have the misunderstanding here. I didnt say 'never to light contact sparring'. But in full contact its easier to realise your mistakes. Thats all. Like you said some people dont aknowledge a clear light contact hit. Now try that in fullcontact and see where you end up. Look i trained under a 2x times world champion in Muay Thai, 3x european champion and 12x german champion, aswell as K1 Max fighter back in the days. And he came from taekwondo into german kickboxing with low kicks. This means, he knew his shit and had a arsenal way larger than a standart muay thai guys. But much off the flashy stuff is just easily countered. And even if you think 'i just have to practice the flashy stuff often enough, so it gets effective' so do the guys training the basics. Look Buakaw or Saenchai. Top tier muay thai guys. Do they use a lot of flashy turn around technics? Not so much. They use solid basics. The most flashy technic i can imagine is Saenchais quesion mark kick. But even then, he uses way more normal technics. And yes, that's what i take out of these videos. My times as a active fighter is long gone. But when i was, i went to many dojos of different style be it 'jiu jitsus fighting' or 'kung fu' or other kickboxing gyms. And i mopped the floor with most of them (when they're not relying on solid muay thai basics) by just simple stuff. Parry - low kick. No matter we going hard or easy. I can do both. They key difference is, when we go hard, they will aknowledge them getting wopped, weather they like it or not. And maybe they realise their stupid technics. Who knows...
@@janosch7210 so true dude as soon as the guy talking said “we don’t want to try hurt ourselves.” I immediately knew he is still a white belt caliber daunting the black belt fakery. In no scenario of actual self defense will those tap tap slow kicks or punches ever work. That’s why my taekwondo instructor from many years ago always used to go hard on me in our sparring sessions so that I could learn how to genuinely react and prepare for rough confrontations against whomever. And you’re right about buakaw having solid basics techniques because they do work better if you can time them with precision. That’s why even though I never got a black belt I’m certain I could even now compete with the Olympic level athletes since the sport has been so softened from 2016 onward with their pg rules of light contact nonsense.🤦🏼♂️👎🏻
It’s cool that this style of Karate does a bit of grappling . And sparring is awesome . Great Martial art
Okinawan kenpo has grappling
This isn't karste grappling, he's just utilizing Muay Thai shills in combination with his Karate, just a good solid mix of stand up styles for all situations, hopefully they do some form of ground training so they know how to quickly and efficiently get back to their feet should their grappling lead to a throw or a sweep!
@@Krezznet mate he has taken mount and used a basic combination to go for an Americana, it’s level 1 basic Jiu Jitsu combative s ! That is grappling 😀
@@James-if4zw very true he did use jui jitsu on the ground! Im just hoping it's a regular part of the curriculum and pointing out to the original commenter that those techniques of grappling in the stand up, we're not based in karate but came from Muay Thai 😀
@@James-if4zw the original comment was about how he liked this style of karate because it had grappling, but I was just trying to make the distinction that they are combining karate with other grappling styles to achieve this
1:50 he got in there and instructor had to go up a level and take him down LOL :D
nice video- helpful
i been curious about what tang soo do looks like in actual motion- i went through quite a few videos now that were less then impressive unfortunately- this is the first one, that even though its light sparring, i can see some solid fundamentals at play and i can see the value here finally-
not sure if this is modernized or traditional?- i still dont fully understand what the style's characteristics are just yet- ive sparred / fought taekwondo guys and i have a very solid idea of how they play in motion. i heard tkd and tang soo do were very similar but im not at all seeing that here- this just sorta looks like very loose / beginner mma / kickboxing- which is totally practical of course, i just dont know if like i said its reflective of the style or if this gym / dojo has updated it for more practical self defense?
also was wanting to see more movement off the center line- i remember tkd guys loved staying upright constantly and never had any head movement but i guess that works in their world and for their system? i would like to see more body work as well- idk if thats not part of the curriculum- its a short video so who knows- some body work of course would mix up and set more openings up top and help students learn what to react to accordingly- just my two cents
my obligatory background if anyone is curious- primarily boxing with a ton of second hand grappling (primarily danzan ryu jujitsu / roman-grecko wrestling and a little judo) taught to me through the years (about 12 years)- but that was back in the day- i havent been "in it" for a long time now- lately ive just been getting fat off of my wifes good cooking since i been out of the military like a typical deadbeat lol
doubt anyone will ever read this- but if so, your awesome
Thanks! This definitely is modernized. I practice and teach Tang Soo Do but I’ve spent a lot of time researching practical applications for the forms and cross training in other martial arts. What people normally call traditional is pretty modern too though. People often will call what I do ‘not traditional’ as some sort of slight but I really don’t care. I just want what I do to work. I cross train in boxing currently and am working to integrate more head movement into my approach.
@@ModernTangSooDo fantastic- and i feel the same way- focus on what works- in my opinion it would be a disservice to students not setting them up for success should they ever need it-
as boxing is the core of my experience i am a bit biased with the art, but i will admit yes, on its own it is woefully incapable to deal with kicks and especially grappling, but in my own experience of rounding out its shortcomings with wrestling, judo, and jujitsu nothing feels more satisfying then having the advantage in close range and clinch / "dirty boxing" stand up-
so i suppose i find your direction of taking tang soo do as your base and rounding it out with solid and effective styles to compliment and fill in gaps is something im all too familiar with lol
from what i can tell, your a great instructor / coach- keep up the good work bro
the biggest problem with tang soo do, is that it trains you to not keep your hands up after throwing punches. all those katas train you to charge up your punches from the hip - not good.
What it trains is unconscious loading and release of the muscle groups you use to strike and defend. That training naturally brings out the power of your attacks when you're actually using a guard in sparring or a fight. The pullback to hip is also incorporated into a number of wrist locks and takedowns later on. Overall, the way it's taught is as a system of common movements that are drilled into the student until they're second nature and can then be adapted to a wide variety of situations.
To me forms are largely an ornamental part of the my training methodology. They have historical, interpretative, and aesthetic value. Good as a light form of exercise too. They don’t do much to contribute to your fighting ability, and I agree that they even can teach bad habits. They’re choreographed sequences of poses.
I'm going to disagree, when doing forms in TSD, yes your hands are down, but only because that's what the form requires. However, sparring is much different and we are taught to keep our hands up at all times.
@PracticalTangSooDo
Forms are great exercise indeed, but in an actual situation your body is going to react no matter what. Forms, I believe teach good habits that help support TSD in other TSD exercises
It can be interpreted as pulling someone towards you as you're going to punch them
Great attitude,,,thanks for teaching
I wanna join your freaking class!!!
I wish my tang soo do school did this
How long did you train under the kim sun yung dojo
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Im looking for a new martial art. But i don't want to spar like a kickboxer. I want to use traditional techniques in fighting.
This is awesome!
I didn't knew tang soo do before and honestly never heard of it, but it looks like a mix of brazilian jiujitsu and mixed martial arts! I really like it
Those light punches at 2:16 made me laugh haha, master humbling the student a lil bit is always fun
I recently started doing bjj and i get my ass handed in every class by everyone and its fun for me to see how they go easy on me but still feels like a complete obliteration
Tang Soo Do is a Korean pronunciation of Karate-do, it’s a precursor to Taekwondo. I cross train in other martial arts, including BJJ.
Tang soo do self defense spring
Tang so do is basically what chuck Norris started in.too many Martial arts are looking like mma.train your style to defend whatever you might encounter. Good stuff tho
Style of Chuck Norris
Sweeps....you need more sweeps.
i'm not a fan of this 'light to no contact' sparring. I mean, you will get dellusions about your technic, if you never get hit. Like in 1:52 when get guy with headgear reveived this spinning hook kick, he doesnt even bother to parry, he then throws a frontkick and spins into it with what looks like a spinning back fist. Dude, why would you just wildy expose your back after you stepped right into his boxing distance with your own attack? If this would be ANYthing near a real fight or a fullcontact fight, you'd pay dearly for that. And guys, i know people need to built up their repertoire, reflexes etc. But why learn unuseful and simply false stuff that wont ever work when put to the test?
You can do shadowboxing and light contact as long as you want. Thats your right. But please learn technics that actually function when under pressure!!
Nonsense. First off you're not paying attention. The reason why the dude who threw the front kick even spun around is because his opponent circle-blocked the front kick. That makes you spin and expose your back. That's the whole point of that block. So you're not even watching what's happening, but you're criticizing and talking the big game. Secondly, you have mistaken expectations of sparring. It will never be like a real full contact fight or even a self defense situation and it shouldn't be. Light sparring and hard contact sparring are both important, but there is no point in beating each other up. Thinking that by doing that you'd be better prepared for a "real" situation is completely wrong. The quality of your sparring will always depend on your mindset and approach. It's up to you to take it seriously and stick to things that you know would be possible in a real fight. A lot of people don't do this. For example not acknowledging clear KO shots. Like. you get a perfect opening for a clean head kick and you throw it, but pull it before connecting because that's the smart thing to do in sparring. Normally your opponent should know: OK, this is where I would have been knocked out. But since you didn't hit them, they do stupid things like pushing you over because you're standing on one leg etc. That's dumb sparring, because it wouldn't happen that way "for real". But you can't help that by sparring like a maniac and following through with the kick and taking people's heads off in practice. Whether one learns something in sparring or not is one's personal responsibility.
@@honigdachs. he 'touched' his foot? that's what you called a block? jesus, you guys need some serious anti- delusion spray. he could just pull back his feet, place it on the ground and go for either a switch kick or punches.
You guys seriously dont fight good muay thai guys and for real never do full contact sparring. In this scenarios you will just get your front foot/ side pumelled by low kicks.
And no, you clearly have the misunderstanding here. I didnt say 'never to light contact sparring'. But in full contact its easier to realise your mistakes. Thats all. Like you said some people dont aknowledge a clear light contact hit. Now try that in fullcontact and see where you end up.
Look i trained under a 2x times world champion in Muay Thai, 3x european champion and 12x german champion, aswell as K1 Max fighter back in the days. And he came from taekwondo into german kickboxing with low kicks. This means, he knew his shit and had a arsenal way larger than a standart muay thai guys. But much off the flashy stuff is just easily countered. And even if you think 'i just have to practice the flashy stuff often enough, so it gets effective' so do the guys training the basics. Look Buakaw or Saenchai. Top tier muay thai guys. Do they use a lot of flashy turn around technics? Not so much. They use solid basics. The most flashy technic i can imagine is Saenchais quesion mark kick. But even then, he uses way more normal technics.
And yes, that's what i take out of these videos. My times as a active fighter is long gone. But when i was, i went to many dojos of different style be it 'jiu jitsus fighting' or 'kung fu' or other kickboxing gyms. And i mopped the floor with most of them (when they're not relying on solid muay thai basics) by just simple stuff. Parry - low kick. No matter we going hard or easy. I can do both.
They key difference is, when we go hard, they will aknowledge them getting wopped, weather they like it or not. And maybe they realise their stupid technics. Who knows...
@@janosch7210 We're so happy that you're here.
@@janosch7210 so true dude as soon as the guy talking said “we don’t want to try hurt ourselves.” I immediately knew he is still a white belt caliber daunting the black belt fakery. In no scenario of actual self defense will those tap tap slow kicks or punches ever work. That’s why my taekwondo instructor from many years ago always used to go hard on me in our sparring sessions so that I could learn how to genuinely react and prepare for rough confrontations against whomever. And you’re right about buakaw having solid basics techniques because they do work better if you can time them with precision. That’s why even though I never got a black belt I’m certain I could even now compete with the Olympic level athletes since the sport has been so softened from 2016 onward with their pg rules of light contact nonsense.🤦🏼♂️👎🏻
Tang soo do seems more like Karate than TKD....odd being a Korean martial art
That is defferent compare to à philippine moo duk kwan tang soo do,but its ok👍
cool
I like
too much talk