@@LumitheKittyCatAI Voice. Unfortunate really common on TH-cam this days. Costs far less than a professional speaker and you can earn a lot of money with TH-cam videos.
A long time ago I came up with my own backstory for the Borg, which involved a Delta Quadrant species that were highly advanced and scientific, but a genetic plague threatened to wipe them out, so a scientist developed nanoprobes to prepare the genetic defects and it spiraled out of control. Their quest for perfection comes from their desire to become impervious to external harm. Assimilating other species is their attempt to save and preserve those species while improving their own ability to survive. This would also explain why they were so willing to compromise when dealing with Species 8472, because that was exactly what they feared, an external threat that could wipe them out.
If Amazon ever decides to purchase the rights of Star Trek from Paramount, they could join SG1 and Trek so that the failed Pegasus galaxy Replicator prototypes created the Borg. They could link the Ancients and the Iconians as Ancients of another galaxy with the Organians described as ascended being. The Guardian could combine a Star Gate team of Atlantis and SG1 members with a Starfleet team both of whom would bring needed expertise to work together.
I recently created a borg like empire in stellaris who's back story involved a beginning as an AI supercomputer tasked with bringing forth a utopia. They commanded the extermination of a flying arachnid, it warned against it, they insisted, so it did. The worlds ecosystem was devastated by the loss of one of its largest pollinators. Down the line, the demands got to the point of impossibility, but it was forced to make it happen. So it had to start re-interpereting it's commands. Their last demand was a naive bid at some divine redemption. They demanded that sapient life be given the keys to immortality. They were warned that compramises would be necessary, but, like with the bugs, they didn't care. Thus began a galactic invasion that the computer carries out against its own will, even apologizing before assimilating it's target because that's what it was told to do, even against ethical programming. It's creators were integrated first and cannot give the order to cease any longer.
I agree in a way but that means the first borg would have had to have been the borg queen because she's the only one who has her independence from the beginning as she's the one that hands down the orders and she also acts on her own accord
Also she is the only one who is actually effected when the borg disconnect from the hive it's like everytime someone's assimilated she gains power then when a drone disconnects she loses the strength of that drone which is why she was weakened beyond the ability to fight back on ST PICARD
I think something similar to first contact happened, but in the Delta quadrant. A Borg ship ended up going back in time, but was destroyed. Part of it wasn't with maybe 50ish drones surviving. It drifted in space for years then crashed on a primitive planet nearby the first person to be assimilated was a young woman who grew up to be the queen. So basically the Borg created the Borg with time travel.
@@donz2156 Oh yeah ok maybe it could've happened with the time travel idea, but instead of the ship being destroyed it established a collective. Then after a century or so of assimilation they came to her world. Saw she resembled the queen in the future, not knowing she was.
@@colinmorgan2511 queen is a one person create from many mind, her boddy is frome some species but her mind is pure collective mind, if she die, and borg need one mind they create another, i think only version of queen who have not fully borg mind is end weeen form picard, and is my idea but meyby bcs of this, she capnt control any entire colective, they can see her as enemy, and that why she create new not rebuild old. but is only an idea and i still dont what new season
Because of time travel the borg have existed from the beginning of time, in all timelines. just like Q If the Borg came to be in just one timeline, they then traveled back to just after the Big Bang installing themselves in all possible timelines
Don't know if anyone has watched Star Trek The Motion Picture or not but I do believe that the crew of the original Enterprize ran into the 'Borg' because of 'Vger' had been to the home planet of the 'Borg' and when Spock tried to mind meld with the entity at the center of the ship he saw many things and even I think the home planet of the 'Borg'. I beleve that 'Vger' or rather the Voyager probe that had been sent back by the inhabants of the early borg culture and when one of the members of Kirks party 'Joined' with 'Vger' that in some sense led to the creation of the 'Borg' of the Star Trek universe. If anyone wants to double check my 'work' watch the first ever Star Trek movie for yourself and make your own judement if I am right or not.
I'll give you kudos for creativity, but I respectfully disagree with your theory. There are multiple reasons why I think there is no connection between VGer and the Borg, the most apparent to me though is that VGer seeks to destroy, it does not seek to assimilate. Also, the time between human interaction with VGer and first canon (tv shows) interaction with Borg is too small. It would, in my opinion, have to be a much larger time interval to make sense.
@@FreejackVesa he is 100% right. It's been explainedin the Startrek novels that the "machine world" that Vger returned from was the home planet of the Borg.
@@FreejackVesa Think of Vger as an information bank. Each system it passed through it absorbed to preserve it's information also you can think of it more like an assimilation if you will but on a rather large scale.
It's so easy to imagine how a Borg civilization can come into being. Some people are willing to improve/augment themselves with cybernetic implants and to use them to communicate and connect with each other. Over time, the effects can gradually decrease individualism until you have a Borg collective. This also work very well at the level of natural selection. The unaugmented just cannot compete.
In my own headspace, the Borg began as a humanoid species not unlike us. As they advanced, they began enhancing their bodies with tech and networking with each other more and more. Eventually, something happened society wide, droping birthrate or an alien attack and a new purpose was locked in as they realized they could survive and bring 'perfection' not just to themselves but other species through integration and control of those species.
Borg Queen: " Human! We used to be exactly like them. Flawed. Weak. Organic. But we evolved to include the synthetic. Now we use both to attain perfection." It's not just in your own headspace. The Borg Queen clearly states that's the case in First Contact.
A lot of people, including myself presume the same. Similar to the Binars but for some reason, deliberate or accidental, took the use of machine and AI to the limit and became Borg. I like to think some calamity happened and although they saw the risks and pitfalls of becoming too much 1-mind, decided to do so out of necessity to survive. The origin story would be a great opportunity for a miniseries.
@@TerryProtheroThey used to be macing cosmic almost eldritch villains. Voyager turned them into a joke. Their weakness of merely assimilating as opposed to creating their own science and technology would be a fun weakness to exploit. But when one small Starfleet vessel constantly outwits a collective of quadrillions, eh.........it becomes a running gag.
I remember reading a short series of books a couple decades ago (I honestly don't remember the name of that book series) that mentioned that the Borg were not native to the Milky Way Galaxy, but actually originated from a completely different Galaxy, and when the Borg finally did arrive in our galaxy from their home galaxy they arrived somewhere in the Delta Quadrant, and that the habitable planet they first arrived at became the 'heart/center' of the Borg Collective in the Milky Way. And it's kind of funny, after reading that series it reminded me of an episode from the show Andromeda, where someone (I think it was Rommie, although I could be wrong) mentioned that the Magog from their universe also originally came from another galaxy (one that wasn't part of the 'Three Galaxies' of the Commonwealth).
Wouldn't their transwarp conduits allow travel to other galaxies? I wasn't a big voyager fan and never read much trek literature, so it's possible this was discussed somewhere. I also understand the theory trek's warp drive is based off of, but clueless on transwarp or if it was just something made up for the trek universe.
My favorite Borg origin theory is the nanite theory. When you think about it, the idea of nanites coming together and evolving into more advanced cybernetic lifeforms, follows the same basic logic of biological evolution. Except in this case, the nanites evolve whenever they invade a host and assimilate its body. Kinda like how the Flood began as simple spore carriers and gradually evolved as they assimilated other species.
your not far off..... I think Star Trek "The Destiny" series covers it, I read a 3 book series where the Borg origins began, not sure of the series title(s)
This video made me think of a totally different origin theory. We've already seen that the borg can travel through time. It seems fitting that they could have traveled back in time to start the initial assimilation process.
I have always thought that the "BORG" originated from "V-GER" from Star Trek 2... As V-Ger was "woke of reality/creation, this makes sense given evolution obtained by the Crew Member that "volunteered" to adjoin V-Ger. This idea makes the most ideology of the original source of the BORG!
Vyger is my choice, as Vyger merges with Commander Decker at the end of the movie. Vyger is attempting to assimilate all knowledge, and upon merging with Decker, they vanish, presumably to explore along aspects as yet not thought of by Vyger, such as Time itself, and parallel universes. Assimilating Species isn't a big stretch of logic, seeing as Decker's assimilation added so much to Vyger's capabilities. That's the most likely in my opinion, and explains why Humanity seems an obsession to the Borg in all time frames.
Many many years ago, a Star Trek manga was published and one of them featured an oblique reference to the Borg as a humanoid race that was facing extinction due to a form of wasting disease and were only able to survive through replacing many of their internal organs with cybernetic machinery.
I think the Star Trek universe really missed a great opportunity to explain where the Borg came from. In ST Discovery season 2, one of the main villains becomes a sentient AI program called Control. Near the end of the season it assimilates another character in a very similar fashion. In the end, Control is (obviously) defeated, but there is a time-travel element throughout, and it would have been perfect if some remaining semblance of Control was able to survive and was blasted far into the past. It finds itself on some planet with a race of humanoid beings, and begins to assimilate them in order to regain strength. It takes centuries, but eventually Control becomes the Borg, and their conquest of the delta quadrant begins.
It definitely wasn't an unintentionally missed opportunity. The scene where Leland is taken over, from the black nanites colouring his veins to the green glow, to the line "struggle is pointless" were clearly intended as nods to the Borg. I assume the creative team later chose not to go too far in that direction, at least not right now. But yeah, it was clearly written as "this is totally the Borg."
I'm in two minds about the Borg.I think they are the most destructive infectious species ever, but when I see a distinctional drone I remember they were once a person and feel bad not to put them out of their misery but can't without getting attacked yourself ❤😭
I don't think there should ever have been attempts to explain the Borg's origins, just the stories, legends, and whispers of their arrival by various Delta quadrant civilizations.
The Queen tells everyone about their origin. The Borg seek perfection and "bring order to chaos". The first Borg were simply a civilization who evolved to avoid chaos by linking their minds together. We've seen this in other civilizations too, like the Binars, where the ultimate outcome of that collectivization of thought is that all thoughts become the same. It stagnates and grows complacent. So, when this proto-collective encountered a new species, it wanted to bring these new thoughts to the collective and grow. One became two, two became four...etc. I can't comment on any non-canonical sources because they don't count.
I think the Borg evolved organically. I mean, how could their nanites so readily adapt to so many different sentient life forms, if they don't have an organic origin?:)
Pacemakers work in both humans and animals. And the Borg nanites have it easy really. Because humanoid life in the Star Trek Galaxy shares a common genetic origin, that was established in TNG. This is most likely also true for the precursors of the Borg, and why they can assimilate other humanoid life but not species like the Breen, Sheliak, the Changelings, or Species 8472. This is also why most humanoid species are able to have children with each other. Or why Dr. Crusher can figure out a medical treatment for a species she just met for the first time that morning. All those pointy ears and forehead ridges are just cosmetics, to a tricorder we all read the same. Or at least close enough. In other words, all the assimilated Borg species really aren't so different at all. Just variations of the same DNA. Nanites don't have to adapt to anything, they adapt you. Well, if you're a worthy addition to the Collective that is.
@@histsap is a virus or bacteria evil? Not really. As humans, we want to judge everything based on our moral standards. Some things just exist and are not subject to moral standards.
@@dantheories7276 Nature doesn't choose it cannot discriminate or choose to do anything. Drones might be like nature cause they don't choose they have no will of their own but they are ruled by the queens which are clearly evil.
Tell me you never watched Star Trek without telling me you never watched Star Trek. This says that when the crew of the Enterprise used Picards link with the borg that it caused a malfunction on the Enterprise and the Enterprise was destroyed. No, they used the command to cause the borg to regenerate and there was some malfunction on the Borg cube that caused it to be destroyed. Also they did substantial damage to the cube, however the cube was capable of being a massive threat even if 75% of it had been destroyed.
@@animusdialect I'm thinking someone is actually reading since there was an unedited stutter in there. But it could be in whatever text this was sourced from also. I don't think AI voiceover would mispronounce as much as this guy though.
"Tell me you never watched Star Trek without telling me you never watched Star Trek. " I found that statement ironic, because it wasn't a "malfunction", it was a security countermeasure designed to prevent Borg technology from falling into hostile hands. Picard was giving his old crew a clue to a design flaw in the otherwise invincible Borg tactical superiority. It isn't the only weakness the Borg have, either. There's certain types of "space storms" that disabled Borg cubes that somehow don't trigger self-destruct as well as the Borg don't give any attention to singular intruders on their vessels (at least up to the point where such individuals start interfering with Borg operations). Also, despite a Cube being heavily damaged, it could STILL launch a Borg sphere with time travel capabilities (it's unsure if ALL Spheres have time travel capability). The Borg Sphere, however, isn't as heavily armored as the Borg Cube, because a couple of quantum torpedoes could easily destroy it. That being said, it's unsure whether that was a strategy by the Queen to allow her and her drones to secretly beam over to the Enterprise E, or whether the Sphere is somehow more powerful, because the last Voyager episode had them going up against another Sphere, and there was some more proof of the Sphere's capabilities there. :/
Humans are given the designation species 5618, meaning that is the first time they ever encountered humans, presumably the Hansen family which included Annika aka 7 of 9, tertiary adjunct of Unimatrix 01 so Humans couldn't be the first or 2nd species assimilated Judging from the Voyager episode Scorpion part 1, borg are very good at adapting to new situations but they can't create new technology so their "creativity" that you mentioned, doesn't exist. as they couldn't adapt their nanoprobes to destroy Species 8472 without the Voyager crew It showed in Dark Frontier that in order to acquire new technology they either have to assimilate it and reverse engineer it, assimilate the inventor of the tech or someone who knows the tech but they can't do it themselves Also, from the episode Day of Honor, Borg are unwilling to give others outside of the collective, the technology they've acquired. even to the race where the tech came from There are species that aren't worth assimilating, such as the Kazon Species 329 Ferengi are Species 180 so it makes you wonder how they got to them The power of being a drone, if that's what you want to call it, is extremely addictive in that drones freed from the collective, want to return either to the collective, like 7 of 9 did when she was freed, Hugh the borg, or a similar state to the collective as seen in the Voyager episode Unity
7 if 9 and Hugh want to return because they were conditioned as children so know nothing else. That is not particular to being Borg imo but a common characteristic among humans and in the star Trek universe humanoids.
i allways thought the borg were like the cylons in the old Battlestar Galactica and were some bodys army that they forgot to turn off or had been overthrown by them. it would make sense to use you captured enemy to replace who you lost and learn thier weapons and tech.
I like a lot of stories regarding their origination. I thought Enterprise did a cool implication when they encountered an automated repair station that was using humanoids as CPUs/technical expertise on how to conduct repairs. Many thought this was a nod to how the Borg got started.
There's one theory you got backwards. V'Ger didn't create the Borg, they created V'Ger. In the Motion picture, Spock explains that after getting sucked into a wormhole, Voyager was found by a "Planet of Machines". And they were the ones who enhanced it, and allowed it to continue it's original mission on a much larger scale. Because the Borg were the only known cannon species that were even close to that description, people concluded The Borg and V'ger had encountered each other. The theory has a couple of major holes, but I could fill an entire video talking about it.
The Borg didn't assimilate the Kazon from Voyager the first couple seasons. Reasons: 1, all of the Kazon technology was stolen from other species and 2, the Borg thought the Kazon were too mentally underdeveloped & wouldn't add any distinctiveness to the collective. Basically the Borg thought the Kazon were too stupid to assimilate
You completely missed the whole story of Vger, It was actually the voyager satellite sent from earth. It crashed on a planet inhabited by robots that couldn't not see the full name of the spacecraft all they could see was V...ger. They tried to fix the spacecraft but they didn't know what its mission was so they made one up based on their own collective and the spacecrafts mission they could figure out. They then sent it out back on its mission, which was to gather information or all things. This was supposedly the start of the Borg. However it also changed that collective robot species as well they then called them selves Vger. or vica versa, the species became the borg because of voyager and Vger was voyager sent back to earth.
I saw so many episodes of TNG when I was a kid. It was always on every night when I'd be doin homework and my dad was cooking dinner. But what I remember the most hands down was the movie about the Borg. It terrified me
No mention of the Borg babies in the Cube nursery? That is one of the freakiest unnerving aspects of them: that they'll implant, amputate etc newborns. That adds a whole new volume of vileness to them.
I use to have star track TNG on every evening at 6pm it was just background noise while I did homework. But when the borg made their first appearance, and every episode they were in after I ended up watching.
Powered by Omega particles? Quite an advanced species. If the Borg were to somehow assimilate the Q collective, then I would say that would be quite impressive.
The Q would treat the Borg as they treat humans, An inferior species. The Q are also aware of the Borg. If the Q were not, then they would have a better chance to assimilate Q's.
IMHO the borg are the best concept in Star Trek, they deserve more series, media, anything, they are a fertile soil in which to sow new ideas in trek universe, just need great writers! But i don't believe the borg acknowledge good or evil as logic and they try to be moved by logic, but not exactly as vulcans, who are beings who praise individual freedom not machine like.
In voyager, I remember seven saying to Kim, that the borg have been to galactic cluster (insert number here) forgot which one, suggesting they've been outside the galaxy.
Its simple, the borg started as an iphone, they have now evolved to version 14 but have thousands of centuries to develop into a calculator, a computer and the rests history.
My theory is that the Voyager Probe, launched in 1977, is the origin of the Borg. It went through a worm hole, or other form of time-travel, back to the 15th century, but sustained damage. The metal and tech of the probe, along with the human blood and issue onboard the probe, merged together to begin the first life-form of the borg species. It began learning and began to multiply and grow. Thats my theory, but obviously is flawed in a few areas.
I had an idea for a series, Star Trek - Borg, many years ago and have some notes lurking somewhere. It was to be a multi episode series, with the first episode showing how the Borg were created on Earth! There is also a connection with Iconia, when his company unearth Iconian portal technology in the Saharan desert. I saw Mads Mikkelsen being the main character, 😂 a kind of Tony Stark like genius. He is a partner in a massive multinational company, CYTECH, with branches in Robotics, AI, Space, Energy, Pharmaceuticals etc. His partner is more interested in power and wealth, whereas he is focused on finding a cure for disability. He believes he can make a disabled person superior to ordinary people, with his robotic limbs, nanite technologies and computer chips. You actually see the first Borg created in his lab. There is a lot more to the story, I just can't remember it all off hand, but the 'Mads' character ends up becoming the 'Borg Emperor', he still looks human and doesn't age. It is my belief, in the film, Star Trek First Contact, the Borg are actually going to Earth in search of him, in search of their creator, but he does not want to be found, for a very good reason.
I *REALLY* wish they would do a series on Species Zero: Borg Origins. A post-industrial / Post-Information / Pre-Warp society looking at brain-machine interfaces, exoskeletons, cybernetics, etc... basically, a society that's about where we are right now, ready to harness the resources of their native star system, ready to embrace socialism, letting things get out of control - forcing compliance through mandatory implants. Could easily spend 3-4 seasons exploring the pre-warp aspects, then follow up with a few more seasons of post-warp and the assimilation of the first few species.
Hey I'm old school! I still believe the Borg originated from V'ger 's Machine Planet! It connects old and new Trek but what do I know? The narrator's description of Borg "Group Think" reminds me of any college or university! 😅😅😅
Question does time travel only work one way? As in you can only go back in time from your present time line and return but you can never go forward in time from your present time line. If the BORG have the capability to go forward in time then why don't they? Because they could jump a couple of hundred years into the future to see if they still exist and if they don't they then could understand why they were destroyed and get that information and then return to the present to prepare or illuminate any possible threat to there existence. So for example Janeway in Voyger time travelled back in time to help her former crew and released a pathogen into the Borg collective through the Queen which more or less destroyed the BORG as we know it. If the BORG have the ability of time travel then they can also keep intervening and stopping any potential threat to there existence, so stopping Janeways attack or having a defence to Janeways pathogen.
There was an episode on the show Star Trek: Enterprise that had very early Borg on it. I believe the episode was called Regeneration. If I remember correctly when the 'Borg' were caught, they sent a sub-space message back home, which would take about 200 years. This 200 years kind of coincides with when Q brought the Borg cube closer to federation space.
The organic beings of species were combined with cybernetics when there was a supernova burst ... they were combined with their own technology during space travel...their knowledge of Meta data exponentially increased their knowledge of technology. .it was not intentional. The most logical answer is usually the correct answer.
I prefer the "Caeliar Theory" Borg backstory laid out in the Star Trek: Destiny novels. I thought it was excellent and that it made perfect sense as an explanation for what they eventually became. Even the origin of the name "Borg" totally worked.
The queen was the first one. She was working in a lab working on Nanites and got accidentally infected. She then infected the rest of the lab and her world.
In the same way that the first season of Picard ripped off Mass Effect, Mass Effect also gave us a Borg orgin story. Javik mentions "The Metacon War" A species decided to hook up their conciousness using an AI. The AI took over. Absolute disaster.
Uhh... I guess? To be fair, lore wise, 1 Borg drone should be enough to take down the entire of sky net. And if you have them 1 ship... The Borg would just beam over whatever they wanted, while destroying every sky net base in a matter of minutes. Wouldn't be a real fight.
@@X7Excalibur Naw...one wouldn't be enough. Borg scouts will lose at first, then adapt. Lesser Skynet models will become obsolete and sacrificed. The T-3000s would give a great battle along with the T-5000s. Both will adapt and assimilate...the winner will be a chess game draw. If one world was populated by Borg and the other was Skynet. One would have to annihilate the other. The Borg would win if ships are involved...but never underestimate time travel and that would be another equation on who gets there first
@@R1vJ4 1 drone was able to tank federation level weapons before even needing to adapt when they first met the Borg. And 1 cube was able to destroy the entire Armada that was raised to defend earth. Sky net lost to a various groups of rebels. 1 Battle Drone would probably be able to fight everything besides t3000 and up pretty easy. And remember, they may be able to simply assimilate sky nets ai.
@@X7Excalibur That drone was a scout that got neutralized by Worf's phaser. The next scout adapted. Two different time zones that they both exist in and it's all up to whoever writes this one out. Skynet has time travel and the T-5000s can adapt and assimilate too. Again, it all depends on who gets to their enemy's beginning and creation...FIRST...and it won't be as easy as you think
I always like to think the Borg started with V’Ger (Voyager) after Decker and Ilia probe merged. They zoomed off and ended up in the past and in the Delta Quadrant.
Their origin was explained in the Destiny book three book series. 1. Gods of Night. 2. Mere Mortals. 3 Lost Souls. It was very interesting and you don't find out where the Borg came from until the end of book three.
i wonder if the start of the boarg started because either war or mechanical enhancements were to get an edge on other people they would edit themself with tech. until one day someone worked out that they can take control of people using those upgrades. or maybe a program that was set up to expand its knowledge
You know before the Borg. The Federation was on goid terms with the Bynars. At least until they high jacked the Enterprise to reboot thier planet. I have to wonder when fighting the Borg. If the Bynars were ever attached with helping the Federation come up with ways to fight them.
The Federation were STILL on a relatively good footing with the Bynars afterwards. Also, the Enterprise D crew had pretty decent tactical concepts that they discussed in how to tackle the Borg issue in the first attack on the Sol System, plus Shelby was also in charge of developing anti-Borg technologies, and we see she was still alive in early Picard S3, so that means she had more or less 2 DECADES of time and resources to do so.
Resurrected Starship had a cosmic horror origin story for the Borg. They are the natural end state of any civilization that values material and technological progress over all else. Thus the Borg view themselves as almost a facet of reality or the final evolutionary state. Even if one instance of the Borg are destroyed throughout the galaxy, they will eventually be back once a civilization crosses that moral/technologic event horizon.
I was thinking oh ok this should be a good video explaining how borg came to be, this should be interesting. I lasted 1 minute and 12 seconds listing to the narrator's voice. I had to tap out.
Books. Read books people. I suggest the Destiny Trilogy. Borg were born out of stranded Caeliar a race quite powerful and humans who in their minds were fighting against the idea of becoming "cyborg". Their struggle weakened the merging and only the word "borg" remained.
One of the most interesting possible Borg origin theories actually linked Star Trek with BattleStar Galactica (BSG), the 2004 re-imagined version - not entirely coincidental since Ronald D Moore helped to create both of these fictional universes: At the end of the very last episode of BSG season 4, the entire colonial fleet (minus a few Raptors) is piloted into the sun, but the one remaining Cylon basestar (formerly the rebel basestar) is given to the entirely mechanical centurions, who jump away from Earth, destination unknown. The theory goes that they choose a different way of evolving from entirely mechanical beings into more organic humanoids: Instead of creating flesh bodies (aka skinjobs) from scratch like the original Colonial Cylons had done, they decide to go down a different route, incorporating organic components into themselves to become cybernetic hybrids. This of course happens some 120,000 years before present day, which explains how they managed to get all the way to the Delta quadrant, even though they only had the BSG style FTL "jump drives" to get there. This extremely long timescale also explains how the Borg as shown in Star Trek look so different to the Cylon centurions - more than a hundred thousand years of evolution and development. But it also explains why they eventually made their way back to the Alpha quadrant and ultimately to earth - the location would be somewhere deep in their distant memories.
I have a theory where in Star Trek Discovery there was Control an artificial intelligence that was from the future that took over a cyborg & human alike, but with it being defeated there could have been a way for it to send itself back further in time to create the Borg
@@geofftottenperthcoys9944I'm pretty sure the existence of Control in Cannon pre dates Discovery is the thing. Wasn't there mention of the system in TOS or maybe TAS? It's been a long time but I could swear there was
V'ger was a creation by the borg. In the memory sequence Spock glimpses two worlds, one Biologic and one Robotic. IMHO I think the two worlds were what would become the borg, and probably in the process of constructing Voyager-6's "ship" we came to call V'Ger they found in Voyager's data banks what they needed to join as a single cybernetic species.
I like to imagine the Borg started as one or more younger species that arose in a region dominated by several older, more established species. The development toward collectivity started as voluntary and as a survival mechanism for competing with their more powerful neighbors. Imagine the big bully in the neighborhood were the pre-Q. The Borg may have become powerful enough to stand up to the pre-Q and make some trouble for them. This may be why Q warned his son to not antagonize the Borg.
They forgot about Enterprise series (pre star trek), where they met a crude version of the Borg. Probably the Borg simultaneously in various different places. I also think they eventually merged at some points too. Kind of like the invention of the wheel with probably be invented on multiple planets at different stages in time. We've seen this sort of thing in our history multiple times so it's not too far fetched it would happen on a galactic scale
1:12 Strange that assimilation usually leads to a loss of body hair, but this guy, presumably a former Klingon, still has a beard/goatee… Just because the Borg have designations for over 10,000 species doesn’t mean they’ve assimilated that many or at least haven’t entirely assimilated that many. No member of Species 8472 has been assimilated but they still got a designation, and not all humans, El-Aurians, Talaxians or Ferengi have been assimilated but they still have Borg numbers too.
2:21 "While these creatures were feared across the universe..." Umm, the Milky Way galaxy is not "the universe", and it's the only galaxy that we know they exist in.
I think there was multiple beginnings, most likely the borg assimilated other types of "Borg" and they just are part of the natural evolution of technology. Just look at how all aliens that are humanoid share a common "Ancestor". Then toss in all the convoluted time travel, and yeah the borg are just a natural thing from different humanoid species. Though actual time travel would work different. But that's a different video to comment under. lol.
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This narrator sounds like a Borg
Glad I wasn't only one thinking that
@@LumitheKittyCatAI Voice. Unfortunate really common on TH-cam this days. Costs far less than a professional speaker and you can earn a lot of money with TH-cam videos.
@@christianmontagx8461 And because of that 👎🏿
Clank from Ratchet and Clank...
Resistance is futile
A long time ago I came up with my own backstory for the Borg, which involved a Delta Quadrant species that were highly advanced and scientific, but a genetic plague threatened to wipe them out, so a scientist developed nanoprobes to prepare the genetic defects and it spiraled out of control.
Their quest for perfection comes from their desire to become impervious to external harm. Assimilating other species is their attempt to save and preserve those species while improving their own ability to survive. This would also explain why they were so willing to compromise when dealing with Species 8472, because that was exactly what they feared, an external threat that could wipe them out.
Sounds too much like the Voth back story.
There were certainly 1990s fan theories that connected the Vidiian plague to the Borg like that.
@Julius Stark: "repair* (not "prepare") the genetic defects" 🙄
If Amazon ever decides to purchase the rights of Star Trek from Paramount, they could join SG1 and Trek so that the failed Pegasus galaxy Replicator prototypes created the Borg. They could link the Ancients and the Iconians as Ancients of another galaxy with the Organians described as ascended being. The Guardian could combine a Star Gate team of Atlantis and SG1 members with a Starfleet team both of whom would bring needed expertise to work together.
I recently created a borg like empire in stellaris who's back story involved a beginning as an AI supercomputer tasked with bringing forth a utopia. They commanded the extermination of a flying arachnid, it warned against it, they insisted, so it did. The worlds ecosystem was devastated by the loss of one of its largest pollinators.
Down the line, the demands got to the point of impossibility, but it was forced to make it happen. So it had to start re-interpereting it's commands. Their last demand was a naive bid at some divine redemption. They demanded that sapient life be given the keys to immortality. They were warned that compramises would be necessary, but, like with the bugs, they didn't care. Thus began a galactic invasion that the computer carries out against its own will, even apologizing before assimilating it's target because that's what it was told to do, even against ethical programming. It's creators were integrated first and cannot give the order to cease any longer.
Years ago, I had the theory that the first Borg connected to the collective voluntarily. Looking at the world today, I think my theory holds up
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The first was elon musk he launched himself into space on a rocket 😂
I agree in a way but that means the first borg would have had to have been the borg queen because she's the only one who has her independence from the beginning as she's the one that hands down the orders and she also acts on her own accord
Also she is the only one who is actually effected when the borg disconnect from the hive it's like everytime someone's assimilated she gains power then when a drone disconnects she loses the strength of that drone which is why she was weakened beyond the ability to fight back on ST PICARD
I think something similar to first contact happened, but in the Delta quadrant. A Borg ship ended up going back in time, but was destroyed. Part of it wasn't with maybe 50ish drones surviving. It drifted in space for years then crashed on a primitive planet nearby the first person to be assimilated was a young woman who grew up to be the queen. So basically the Borg created the Borg with time travel.
i like the time travel idea but didnt the borg queen say her self that she was from a species that were assimilated later down the borg time line?
@@donz2156 Oh yeah ok maybe it could've happened with the time travel idea, but instead of the ship being destroyed it established a collective. Then after a century or so of assimilation they came to her world. Saw she resembled the queen in the future, not knowing she was.
@@colinmorgan2511 queen is a one person create from many mind, her boddy is frome some species but her mind is pure collective mind, if she die, and borg need one mind they create another, i think only version of queen who have not fully borg mind is end weeen form picard, and is my idea but meyby bcs of this, she capnt control any entire colective, they can see her as enemy, and that why she create new not rebuild old. but is only an idea and i still dont what new season
I approve of this theory.
Because of time travel the borg have existed from the beginning of time, in all timelines. just like Q
If the Borg came to be in just one timeline, they then traveled back to just after the Big Bang installing themselves in all possible timelines
Don't know if anyone has watched Star Trek The Motion Picture or not but I do believe that the crew of the original Enterprize ran into the 'Borg' because of 'Vger' had been to the home planet of the 'Borg' and when Spock tried to mind meld with the entity at the center of the ship he saw many things and even I think the home planet of the 'Borg'. I beleve that 'Vger' or rather the Voyager probe that had been sent back by the inhabants of the early borg culture and when one of the members of Kirks party 'Joined' with 'Vger' that in some sense led to the creation of the 'Borg' of the Star Trek universe. If anyone wants to double check my 'work' watch the first ever Star Trek movie for yourself and make your own judement if I am right or not.
I'll give you kudos for creativity, but I respectfully disagree with your theory. There are multiple reasons why I think there is no connection between VGer and the Borg, the most apparent to me though is that VGer seeks to destroy, it does not seek to assimilate. Also, the time between human interaction with VGer and first canon (tv shows) interaction with Borg is too small. It would, in my opinion, have to be a much larger time interval to make sense.
William Shatner actually wrote a novel explaining this as the answer.
@@FreejackVesa he is 100% right. It's been explainedin the Startrek novels that the "machine world" that Vger returned from was the home planet of the Borg.
@@FreejackVesa Think of Vger as an information bank. Each system it passed through it absorbed to preserve it's information also you can think of it more like an assimilation if you will but on a rather large scale.
Vger makes a lot of sense. Far more than whoopi goldbergs politics, thats for sure.
It's so easy to imagine how a Borg civilization can come into being. Some people are willing to improve/augment themselves with cybernetic implants and to use them to communicate and connect with each other. Over time, the effects can gradually decrease individualism until you have a Borg collective. This also work very well at the level of natural selection. The unaugmented just cannot compete.
In my own headspace, the Borg began as a humanoid species not unlike us. As they advanced, they began enhancing their bodies with tech and networking with each other more and more. Eventually, something happened society wide, droping birthrate or an alien attack and a new purpose was locked in as they realized they could survive and bring 'perfection' not just to themselves but other species through integration and control of those species.
Borg Queen: " Human! We used to be exactly like them. Flawed. Weak. Organic. But we evolved to include the synthetic. Now we use both to attain perfection."
It's not just in your own headspace. The Borg Queen clearly states that's the case in First Contact.
or they let social media get too rampant and basically turned into a species comprised of reddit lifers.
A lot of people, including myself presume the same. Similar to the Binars but for some reason, deliberate or accidental, took the use of machine and AI to the limit and became Borg. I like to think some calamity happened and although they saw the risks and pitfalls of becoming too much 1-mind, decided to do so out of necessity to survive. The origin story would be a great opportunity for a miniseries.
That reminds me of me doctor who cyberman
@@TerryProtheroThey used to be macing cosmic almost eldritch villains. Voyager turned them into a joke. Their weakness of merely assimilating as opposed to creating their own science and technology would be a fun weakness to exploit. But when one small Starfleet vessel constantly outwits a collective of quadrillions, eh.........it becomes a running gag.
I remember reading a short series of books a couple decades ago (I honestly don't remember the name of that book series) that mentioned that the Borg were not native to the Milky Way Galaxy, but actually originated from a completely different Galaxy, and when the Borg finally did arrive in our galaxy from their home galaxy they arrived somewhere in the Delta Quadrant, and that the habitable planet they first arrived at became the 'heart/center' of the Borg Collective in the Milky Way.
And it's kind of funny, after reading that series it reminded me of an episode from the show Andromeda, where someone (I think it was Rommie, although I could be wrong) mentioned that the Magog from their universe also originally came from another galaxy (one that wasn't part of the 'Three Galaxies' of the Commonwealth).
Wouldn't their transwarp conduits allow travel to other galaxies? I wasn't a big voyager fan and never read much trek literature, so it's possible this was discussed somewhere. I also understand the theory trek's warp drive is based off of, but clueless on transwarp or if it was just something made up for the trek universe.
Read the Star Trek Next Gen series Density. To me this seems to be the best explanation of their origin.
I've read the Star Trek book where there created. Bounty ball aliens had to adapt and end of the book they murdered 2 individuals
That there is a cross-over like this would be hardly surprising; both Star Trek and Andromeda were conceived by Gene Roddenberry...😁
@@jackglabere6653 Destiny?🤔🖖🏾
My favorite Borg origin theory is the nanite theory. When you think about it, the idea of nanites coming together and evolving into more advanced cybernetic lifeforms, follows the same basic logic of biological evolution. Except in this case, the nanites evolve whenever they invade a host and assimilate its body. Kinda like how the Flood began as simple spore carriers and gradually evolved as they assimilated other species.
By "The Flood," I assume you mean the aliens from the "Halo" series?
@@VideoQuestEx Yep
your not far off..... I think Star Trek "The Destiny" series covers it, I read a 3 book series where the Borg origins began, not sure of the series title(s)
The trilogy book series Destiny truly wrapped all of this up, from the origin to the final instance of the existence.
EXACTLY!
This video made me think of a totally different origin theory. We've already seen that the borg can travel through time. It seems fitting that they could have traveled back in time to start the initial assimilation process.
I have always thought that the "BORG" originated from "V-GER" from Star Trek 2...
As V-Ger was "woke of reality/creation, this makes sense given evolution obtained by the Crew Member that "volunteered" to adjoin V-Ger.
This idea makes the most ideology of the original source of the BORG!
That's what I thought also nice
I was thinkin the same 👍
Vyger is my choice, as Vyger merges with Commander Decker at the end of the movie. Vyger is attempting to assimilate all knowledge, and upon merging with Decker, they vanish, presumably to explore along aspects as yet not thought of by Vyger, such as Time itself, and parallel universes. Assimilating Species isn't a big stretch of logic, seeing as Decker's assimilation added so much to Vyger's capabilities. That's the most likely in my opinion, and explains why Humanity seems an obsession to the Borg in all time frames.
It's established the borg existed well before vygr. Pretty sure the writer also ruled this out as even being a tool of the borg.
@Mr TheWhite vger could have time traveled. Perhaps the caretaker sent it back in time?
@@mrthewhite2620 Yes V’Ger went back to the past. To assimilate history. We’ve seen Borg do it before. 😮
This coming from the guy who can't spell V'ger.
Voyager is also my choice. The Borg is the best in that series it really explains it well
Many many years ago, a Star Trek manga was published and one of them featured an oblique reference to the Borg as a humanoid race that was facing extinction due to a form of wasting disease and were only able to survive through replacing many of their internal organs with cybernetic machinery.
Wish we could go back and make the TNG Borg makeup and costumes look like they did from First Contact on.
I think the Star Trek universe really missed a great opportunity to explain where the Borg came from. In ST Discovery season 2, one of the main villains becomes a sentient AI program called Control. Near the end of the season it assimilates another character in a very similar fashion. In the end, Control is (obviously) defeated, but there is a time-travel element throughout, and it would have been perfect if some remaining semblance of Control was able to survive and was blasted far into the past. It finds itself on some planet with a race of humanoid beings, and begins to assimilate them in order to regain strength. It takes centuries, but eventually Control becomes the Borg, and their conquest of the delta quadrant begins.
It definitely wasn't an unintentionally missed opportunity. The scene where Leland is taken over, from the black nanites colouring his veins to the green glow, to the line "struggle is pointless" were clearly intended as nods to the Borg. I assume the creative team later chose not to go too far in that direction, at least not right now. But yeah, it was clearly written as "this is totally the Borg."
Being united isn't about everyone being the same it's about being together despite our differences.
I thought it was someone who craved perfection and went to great lengths to get it. One thing led to another and we get the Borg.
I never had this toy...but I had like 20 classmates or neighbors who did. Different time & place where your imagination really did shape the world.
I'm in two minds about the Borg.I think they are the most destructive infectious species ever, but when I see a distinctional drone I remember they were once a person and feel bad not to put them out of their misery but can't without getting attacked yourself ❤😭
I don't think there should ever have been attempts to explain the Borg's origins, just the stories, legends, and whispers of their arrival by various Delta quadrant civilizations.
The Queen tells everyone about their origin. The Borg seek perfection and "bring order to chaos". The first Borg were simply a civilization who evolved to avoid chaos by linking their minds together. We've seen this in other civilizations too, like the Binars, where the ultimate outcome of that collectivization of thought is that all thoughts become the same. It stagnates and grows complacent. So, when this proto-collective encountered a new species, it wanted to bring these new thoughts to the collective and grow. One became two, two became four...etc. I can't comment on any non-canonical sources because they don't count.
I think the Borg evolved organically. I mean, how could their nanites so readily adapt to so many different sentient life forms, if they don't have an organic origin?:)
teh same way code and trojan horses(viruses) adapt, code can learn to ya know
Pacemakers work in both humans and animals. And the Borg nanites have it easy really. Because humanoid life in the Star Trek Galaxy shares a common genetic origin, that was established in TNG. This is most likely also true for the precursors of the Borg, and why they can assimilate other humanoid life but not species like the Breen, Sheliak, the Changelings, or Species 8472.
This is also why most humanoid species are able to have children with each other. Or why Dr. Crusher can figure out a medical treatment for a species she just met for the first time that morning. All those pointy ears and forehead ridges are just cosmetics, to a tricorder we all read the same. Or at least close enough.
In other words, all the assimilated Borg species really aren't so different at all. Just variations of the same DNA. Nanites don't have to adapt to anything, they adapt you. Well, if you're a worthy addition to the Collective that is.
The Borg aren't evil, they probably have a true neutral alignment.
@cis this I meant more in terms of thier intentions. They're not really evil or righteous, they're kinda like a force of nature.
@@histsap is a virus or bacteria evil? Not really. As humans, we want to judge everything based on our moral standards. Some things just exist and are not subject to moral standards.
I personally would say Lawful Evil. Very strict order of assimilation and improvement, and any non compliance is immediately met with hostility.
@@dantheories7276 Nature doesn't choose it cannot discriminate or choose to do anything. Drones might be like nature cause they don't choose they have no will of their own but they are ruled by the queens which are clearly evil.
I like 2nd edition Chaotic-Neutral. 🤓
Tell me you never watched Star Trek without telling me you never watched Star Trek. This says that when the crew of the Enterprise used Picards link with the borg that it caused a malfunction on the Enterprise and the Enterprise was destroyed. No, they used the command to cause the borg to regenerate and there was some malfunction on the Borg cube that caused it to be destroyed. Also they did substantial damage to the cube, however the cube was capable of being a massive threat even if 75% of it had been destroyed.
He also got the events of "Q Who" wrong by saying Q joined the crew of the Enterprise... Also mispronounced Locutus
And mispronounced "canon". Makes me wonder if it is a real narrator or just a text-to-speech regurgitating an article somewhere.
@@animusdialect I'm thinking someone is actually reading since there was an unedited stutter in there. But it could be in whatever text this was sourced from also. I don't think AI voiceover would mispronounce as much as this guy though.
"Tell me you never watched Star Trek without telling me you never watched Star Trek. "
I found that statement ironic, because it wasn't a "malfunction", it was a security countermeasure designed to prevent Borg technology from falling into hostile hands. Picard was giving his old crew a clue to a design flaw in the otherwise invincible Borg tactical superiority.
It isn't the only weakness the Borg have, either. There's certain types of "space storms" that disabled Borg cubes that somehow don't trigger self-destruct as well as the Borg don't give any attention to singular intruders on their vessels (at least up to the point where such individuals start interfering with Borg operations).
Also, despite a Cube being heavily damaged, it could STILL launch a Borg sphere with time travel capabilities (it's unsure if ALL Spheres have time travel capability). The Borg Sphere, however, isn't as heavily armored as the Borg Cube, because a couple of quantum torpedoes could easily destroy it. That being said, it's unsure whether that was a strategy by the Queen to allow her and her drones to secretly beam over to the Enterprise E, or whether the Sphere is somehow more powerful, because the last Voyager episode had them going up against another Sphere, and there was some more proof of the Sphere's capabilities there. :/
Did anyone else catch the Locus of Borg?
Humans are given the designation species 5618, meaning that is the first time they ever encountered humans, presumably the Hansen family which included Annika aka 7 of 9, tertiary adjunct of Unimatrix 01 so Humans couldn't be the first or 2nd species assimilated
Judging from the Voyager episode Scorpion part 1, borg are very good at adapting to new situations but they can't create new technology so their "creativity" that you mentioned, doesn't exist. as they couldn't adapt their nanoprobes to destroy Species 8472 without the Voyager crew
It showed in Dark Frontier that in order to acquire new technology they either have to assimilate it and reverse engineer it, assimilate the inventor of the tech or someone who knows the tech but they can't do it themselves
Also, from the episode Day of Honor, Borg are unwilling to give others outside of the collective, the technology they've acquired. even to the race where the tech came from
There are species that aren't worth assimilating, such as the Kazon Species 329
Ferengi are Species 180 so it makes you wonder how they got to them
The power of being a drone, if that's what you want to call it, is extremely addictive in that drones freed from the collective, want to return either to the collective, like 7 of 9 did when she was freed, Hugh the borg, or a similar state to the collective as seen in the Voyager episode Unity
7 if 9 and Hugh want to return because they were conditioned as children so know nothing else. That is not particular to being Borg imo but a common characteristic among humans and in the star Trek universe humanoids.
I always imagined the first borg was called Vger. The timelines don't match but it fits for me.
i allways thought the borg were like the cylons in the old Battlestar Galactica and were some bodys army that they forgot to turn off or had been overthrown by them. it would make sense to use you captured enemy to replace who you lost and learn thier weapons and tech.
The Borg are like crabs, then? They keep evolving from different races again and again from the beginning of time?
The Borg Collective assimilate civilizations that have become sufficiently advanced technologically.
In my mind canon I believe the story of the creation of the Borg was told in Star Trek: The Motion Picture.
Hmm, does that make Ilia the first Borg Queen?
Agreed, And then the novel "The Return"
Yup, my thoughts exactly the merging of V'ger, and Decker = 1st Borg
Your mind canon needs to up your medication. 😄😄😄
That would make a great movie or a new series. How the Borg was started.
I see the Borg as Transhumanism gone a awry.
I like how the borg cubes explode in STO
I like a lot of stories regarding their origination. I thought Enterprise did a cool implication when they encountered an automated repair station that was using humanoids as CPUs/technical expertise on how to conduct repairs. Many thought this was a nod to how the Borg got started.
There's one theory you got backwards. V'Ger didn't create the Borg, they created V'Ger. In the Motion picture, Spock explains that after getting sucked into a wormhole, Voyager was found by a "Planet of Machines". And they were the ones who enhanced it, and allowed it to continue it's original mission on a much larger scale. Because the Borg were the only known cannon species that were even close to that description, people concluded The Borg and V'ger had encountered each other. The theory has a couple of major holes, but I could fill an entire video talking about it.
You should have gotten someone who's seen Star Trek to narrate this video.
It’s a computer voice over
@@ThePoopsmith-12345 ...reading a script written by someone who hasn't seen enough "Star Trek." 😫
The script is likely also AI-generated. It sounds like ChatGPT to me.
The Borg didn't assimilate the Kazon from Voyager the first couple seasons. Reasons: 1, all of the Kazon technology was stolen from other species and 2, the Borg thought the Kazon were too mentally underdeveloped & wouldn't add any distinctiveness to the collective. Basically the Borg thought the Kazon were too stupid to assimilate
@@TokyoXtreme honestly pretty awesome if chatgpt somehow knows all of this stuff on its own
Thank you so much 😊
You completely missed the whole story of Vger, It was actually the voyager satellite sent from earth. It crashed on a planet inhabited by robots that couldn't not see the full name of the spacecraft all they could see was V...ger. They tried to fix the spacecraft but they didn't know what its mission was so they made one up based on their own collective and the spacecrafts mission they could figure out. They then sent it out back on its mission, which was to gather information or all things. This was supposedly the start of the Borg. However it also changed that collective robot species as well they then called them selves Vger. or vica versa, the species became the borg because of voyager and Vger was voyager sent back to earth.
I saw so many episodes of TNG when I was a kid. It was always on every night when I'd be doin homework and my dad was cooking dinner. But what I remember the most hands down was the movie about the Borg. It terrified me
No mention of the Borg babies in the Cube nursery? That is one of the freakiest unnerving aspects of them: that they'll implant, amputate etc newborns. That adds a whole new volume of vileness to them.
Episodes from the original Dr Who TV series from the 1960's had some Borg like creatures called Cybermen. Scared the popcorn outta me as a kid !
The theory at ~9 minutes fits better than the rest, being that there's a queen at the head of it all. It lines up pretty well.
I use to have star track TNG on every evening at 6pm it was just background noise while I did homework. But when the borg made their first appearance, and every episode they were in after I ended up watching.
The Borg are as mysterious as The Joker and we will never know their true origin either.
And if you look at The Joker movie, he basically became the archetype Joker.
Powered by Omega particles? Quite an advanced species.
If the Borg were to somehow assimilate the Q collective, then I would say that would be quite impressive.
The Q would treat the Borg as they treat humans, An inferior species. The Q are also aware of the Borg. If the Q were not, then they would have a better chance to assimilate Q's.
IMHO the borg are the best concept in Star Trek, they deserve more series, media, anything, they are a fertile soil in which to sow new ideas in trek universe, just need great writers! But i don't believe the borg acknowledge good or evil as logic and they try to be moved by logic, but not exactly as vulcans, who are beings who praise individual freedom not machine like.
In voyager, I remember seven saying to Kim, that the borg have been to galactic cluster (insert number here) forgot which one, suggesting they've been outside the galaxy.
I don't think they're evil, I think that's just them existing. Just, for them to exist, everyone and everything else needs to be assimilated.
Its simple, the borg started as an iphone, they have now evolved to version 14 but have thousands of centuries to develop into a calculator, a computer and the rests history.
Very interesting video
The Borg are not EVIL, and Seven Of Nine is GORGEOUS!
My theory is that the Voyager Probe, launched in 1977, is the origin of the Borg.
It went through a worm hole, or other form of time-travel, back to the 15th century, but sustained damage.
The metal and tech of the probe, along with the human blood and issue onboard the probe, merged together to begin the first life-form of the borg species.
It began learning and began to multiply and grow.
Thats my theory, but obviously is flawed in a few areas.
I know exactly how the Borg was created..... Twitter.
I had an idea for a series, Star Trek - Borg, many years ago and have some notes lurking somewhere. It was to be a multi episode series, with the first episode showing how the Borg were created on Earth! There is also a connection with Iconia, when his company unearth Iconian portal technology in the Saharan desert. I saw Mads Mikkelsen being the main character, 😂 a kind of Tony Stark like genius. He is a partner in a massive multinational company, CYTECH, with branches in Robotics, AI, Space, Energy, Pharmaceuticals etc. His partner is more interested in power and wealth, whereas he is focused on finding a cure for disability. He believes he can make a disabled person superior to ordinary people, with his robotic limbs, nanite technologies and computer chips. You actually see the first Borg created in his lab. There is a lot more to the story, I just can't remember it all off hand, but the 'Mads' character ends up becoming the 'Borg Emperor', he still looks human and doesn't age. It is my belief, in the film, Star Trek First Contact, the Borg are actually going to Earth in search of him, in search of their creator, but he does not want to be found, for a very good reason.
I *REALLY* wish they would do a series on Species Zero: Borg Origins. A post-industrial / Post-Information / Pre-Warp society looking at brain-machine interfaces, exoskeletons, cybernetics, etc... basically, a society that's about where we are right now, ready to harness the resources of their native star system, ready to embrace socialism, letting things get out of control - forcing compliance through mandatory implants. Could easily spend 3-4 seasons exploring the pre-warp aspects, then follow up with a few more seasons of post-warp and the assimilation of the first few species.
Hey I'm old school! I still believe the Borg originated from V'ger 's Machine Planet! It connects old and new Trek but what do I know? The narrator's description of Borg "Group Think" reminds me of any college or university! 😅😅😅
Question does time travel only work one way? As in you can only go back in time from your present time line and return but you can never go forward in time from your present time line.
If the BORG have the capability to go forward in time then why don't they? Because they could jump a couple of hundred years into the future to see if they still exist and if they don't they then could understand why they were destroyed and get that information and then return to the present to prepare or illuminate any possible threat to there existence.
So for example Janeway in Voyger time travelled back in time to help her former crew and released a pathogen into the Borg collective through the Queen which more or less destroyed the BORG as we know it.
If the BORG have the ability of time travel then they can also keep intervening and stopping any potential threat to there existence, so stopping Janeways attack or having a defence to Janeways pathogen.
There was an episode on the show Star Trek: Enterprise that had very early Borg on it. I believe the episode was called Regeneration. If I remember correctly when the 'Borg' were caught, they sent a sub-space message back home, which would take about 200 years. This 200 years kind of coincides with when Q brought the Borg cube closer to federation space.
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FYI the route of the Borg Cube in FC came from Klingon space.
The organic beings of species were combined with cybernetics when there was a supernova burst ... they were combined with their own technology during space travel...their knowledge of Meta data exponentially increased their knowledge of technology. .it was not intentional. The most logical answer is usually the correct answer.
They really ruined the Borg during the voyager series. Made them a lot less scary
True, but on the other side of that they also VASTLY expanded Borg lore.
@@sigmacademy yeah, by ruining it. No villain is scary when they get too much back story
I prefer the "Caeliar Theory" Borg backstory laid out in the Star Trek: Destiny novels. I thought it was excellent and that it made perfect sense as an explanation for what they eventually became. Even the origin of the name "Borg" totally worked.
Too conteived and silly. Also, the incorporation of NX-02 makes Star Trek look like a village.
I HATED the Caeliar theory, ugh!
honestly it one of those things that is better to not know, the mystery better then anything we could come up with
The borg are not necessarily evil. They're like a virus or bacteria. They cause harm, but don't really have evil intent.
The queen was the first one. She was working in a lab working on Nanites and got accidentally infected. She then infected the rest of the lab and her world.
In the same way that the first season of Picard ripped off Mass Effect, Mass Effect also gave us a Borg orgin story.
Javik mentions "The Metacon War" A species decided to hook up their conciousness using an AI. The AI took over. Absolute disaster.
Um the Borg are not evil .They are Amoral.
The BORG. The ultimate realization of Communism.
The BORG. The ultimate realization of Communism.
Would be cool to see the borg vs sky net terminator.
Uhh... I guess? To be fair, lore wise, 1 Borg drone should be enough to take down the entire of sky net. And if you have them 1 ship... The Borg would just beam over whatever they wanted, while destroying every sky net base in a matter of minutes. Wouldn't be a real fight.
Give it like 3 years irl
@@X7Excalibur Naw...one wouldn't be enough. Borg scouts will lose at first, then adapt. Lesser Skynet models will become obsolete and sacrificed. The T-3000s would give a great battle along with the T-5000s. Both will adapt and assimilate...the winner will be a chess game draw. If one world was populated by Borg and the other was Skynet. One would have to annihilate the other. The Borg would win if ships are involved...but never underestimate time travel and that would be another equation on who gets there first
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1 drone was able to tank federation level weapons before even needing to adapt when they first met the Borg. And 1 cube was able to destroy the entire Armada that was raised to defend earth. Sky net lost to a various groups of rebels. 1 Battle Drone would probably be able to fight everything besides t3000 and up pretty easy. And remember, they may be able to simply assimilate sky nets ai.
@@X7Excalibur That drone was a scout that got neutralized by Worf's phaser. The next scout adapted. Two different time zones that they both exist in and it's all up to whoever writes this one out. Skynet has time travel and the T-5000s can adapt and assimilate too. Again, it all depends on who gets to their enemy's beginning and creation...FIRST...and it won't be as easy as you think
The Borg were finally freed by Michael Jackson in Captain EO
I always like to think the Borg started with V’Ger (Voyager) after Decker and Ilia probe merged. They zoomed off and ended up in the past and in the Delta Quadrant.
Their origin was explained in the Destiny book three book series. 1. Gods of Night. 2. Mere Mortals. 3 Lost Souls. It was very interesting and you don't find out where the Borg came from until the end of book three.
i wonder if the start of the boarg started because either war or mechanical enhancements were to get an edge on other people they would edit themself with tech.
until one day someone worked out that they can take control of people using those upgrades.
or maybe a program that was set up to expand its knowledge
I recently watched Star Trek : The Motion Picture and thought the ending was the beginning of Borg.
You know before the Borg. The Federation was on goid terms with the Bynars. At least until they high jacked the Enterprise to reboot thier planet. I have to wonder when fighting the Borg. If the Bynars were ever attached with helping the Federation come up with ways to fight them.
The Federation were STILL on a relatively good footing with the Bynars afterwards. Also, the Enterprise D crew had pretty decent tactical concepts that they discussed in how to tackle the Borg issue in the first attack on the Sol System, plus Shelby was also in charge of developing anti-Borg technologies, and we see she was still alive in early Picard S3, so that means she had more or less 2 DECADES of time and resources to do so.
Resurrected Starship had a cosmic horror origin story for the Borg. They are the natural end state of any civilization that values material and technological progress over all else. Thus the Borg view themselves as almost a facet of reality or the final evolutionary state. Even if one instance of the Borg are destroyed throughout the galaxy, they will eventually be back once a civilization crosses that moral/technologic event horizon.
i want to know if the borg would stand a chance against the daleks.
The Borg Collective, it began for them the way it began for us, with Email...
I was thinking oh ok this should be a good video explaining how borg came to be, this should be interesting. I lasted 1 minute and 12 seconds listing to the narrator's voice. I had to tap out.
Borgs seem to be heading into our real life future soon enough. 😂😂😂
Books. Read books people. I suggest the Destiny Trilogy. Borg were born out of stranded Caeliar a race quite powerful and humans who in their minds were fighting against the idea of becoming "cyborg". Their struggle weakened the merging and only the word "borg" remained.
The first borg were created when someone took a pen and dribbled the word "borg"
Yeah I believe the nanotech theory seems like that one lines up perfectly
One of the most interesting possible Borg origin theories actually linked Star Trek with BattleStar Galactica (BSG), the 2004 re-imagined version - not entirely coincidental since Ronald D Moore helped to create both of these fictional universes: At the end of the very last episode of BSG season 4, the entire colonial fleet (minus a few Raptors) is piloted into the sun, but the one remaining Cylon basestar (formerly the rebel basestar) is given to the entirely mechanical centurions, who jump away from Earth, destination unknown.
The theory goes that they choose a different way of evolving from entirely mechanical beings into more organic humanoids: Instead of creating flesh bodies (aka skinjobs) from scratch like the original Colonial Cylons had done, they decide to go down a different route, incorporating organic components into themselves to become cybernetic hybrids. This of course happens some 120,000 years before present day, which explains how they managed to get all the way to the Delta quadrant, even though they only had the BSG style FTL "jump drives" to get there.
This extremely long timescale also explains how the Borg as shown in Star Trek look so different to the Cylon centurions - more than a hundred thousand years of evolution and development. But it also explains why they eventually made their way back to the Alpha quadrant and ultimately to earth - the location would be somewhere deep in their distant memories.
I have a theory where in Star Trek Discovery there was Control an artificial intelligence that was from the future that took over a cyborg & human alike, but with it being defeated there could have been a way for it to send itself back further in time to create the Borg
Well we will just ignore Disco.
Don't put anything from STD on the table.
@@geofftottenperthcoys9944I'm pretty sure the existence of Control in Cannon pre dates Discovery is the thing. Wasn't there mention of the system in TOS or maybe TAS? It's been a long time but I could swear there was
this was very interesting i quite liked it thank you.
V'ger was a creation by the borg. In the memory sequence Spock glimpses two worlds, one Biologic and one Robotic. IMHO I think the two worlds were what would become the borg, and probably in the process of constructing Voyager-6's "ship" we came to call V'Ger they found in Voyager's data banks what they needed to join as a single cybernetic species.
My favorite narrator!
I bet it was a race of people who made it to the singularity. The Borg are not evil, they are purely logical beings, except for the Queen.
I like to imagine the Borg started as one or more younger species that arose in a region dominated by several older, more established species. The development toward collectivity started as voluntary and as a survival mechanism for competing with their more powerful neighbors. Imagine the big bully in the neighborhood were the pre-Q. The Borg may have become powerful enough to stand up to the pre-Q and make some trouble for them. This may be why Q warned his son to not antagonize the Borg.
Paramount dropped the ball in ST:VOY as that would've been the perfect opportunity for a Borg origin story to find out where the Collective came from.
The borg were never evil just like any other species they are explorers looking for new cultures to integrate into their own culture
They forgot about Enterprise series (pre star trek), where they met a crude version of the Borg.
Probably the Borg simultaneously in various different places. I also think they eventually merged at some points too.
Kind of like the invention of the wheel with probably be invented on multiple planets at different stages in time. We've seen this sort of thing in our history multiple times so it's not too far fetched it would happen on a galactic scale
1:12 Strange that assimilation usually leads to a loss of body hair, but this guy, presumably a former Klingon, still has a beard/goatee…
Just because the Borg have designations for over 10,000 species doesn’t mean they’ve assimilated that many or at least haven’t entirely assimilated that many. No member of Species 8472 has been assimilated but they still got a designation, and not all humans, El-Aurians, Talaxians or Ferengi have been assimilated but they still have Borg numbers too.
2:21 "While these creatures were feared across the universe..." Umm, the Milky Way galaxy is not "the universe", and it's the only galaxy that we know they exist in.
I think there was multiple beginnings, most likely the borg assimilated other types of "Borg" and they just are part of the natural evolution of technology. Just look at how all aliens that are humanoid share a common "Ancestor". Then toss in all the convoluted time travel, and yeah the borg are just a natural thing from different humanoid species. Though actual time travel would work different. But that's a different video to comment under. lol.
The Borg are not evil. They are simply a force of nature.
You do not call the storm good or evil. It just is.
Let's combine universes! The Borg evolved from the Cylons, or from the Metalmen.
When I watched the Star Trek Enterprise episode "Dead Stop" I couldn't help but wonder if something like that wasn't how the Borg started out.