Glad to see the story of Olive being put forth for all to hear. My wife and I used to go South from South Dakota to Arizona for the winter months, thus avoiding the cold and snow that cover our home state. Our first trip, we found a little campground on Rte 66 in Topock Arizona, going to Oatman for a meal at the Olive Oatman hotel was a regular thing, my wife loved the burro's and giving them a treat was always part of the trip, it was about 12 miles up to Oatman through the wonderful desert and the old town had so much to offer for tourists and snowbirds like us. My lovely wife was taken from me a few years back and those trips to Arizona are but a memory that makes me smile to think about, I sold the rig about a year ago our last trip was before that covid crap. The story was all part of our wonderful late life adventures, memories that I shall take to my grave with a smile.
I’m sorry for your loss🙏 You’re the only other person whose ever mentioned Topock…I’ll be there soon and will think of you and your wife while dining at the restaurant with car murals✨💖✨
Thanks! you keep me rolling my friend when im heading out west out in the middle of nowhere .Out in the desert and nigh plains .Its peaceful out there .Your adlibs crack me up !!!😂🤣
I'm downloading so many of your uploads in the event I lose power in this hurricane. Stay safe, and thank you for all of the amazing content. You're content had gotten me through many hard days at work lol.
I've found this channel 2 days ago. I've watched many hours of your videos, Josh, for my whole childhood, my grandmother & I would drive from Michigan down to Arizona every summer. I've been to the Grand Canyon, tombstone, the alamo & many more places. I've always been fascinated by the old west. Sadly, I stopped traveling down their do to my grandmother taking her own life now I have 3 children & your videos have been making me wanting to plan a trip with my family to go down there.
Her story is always so sad to hear. My husband and I got to stay in Oatman in 1996. We were lucky enough to get to spend the night in the Oatman hotel, after eating dinner and having drinks in the bar. Breakfast in town the next morning before doing the tourist thing and petting and feeding the donkeys. It’s such a cool town and worth the trip, as well as old Route 66.
@@grayman556 first time “thankfully “ finding this podcast. Was having severe anxiety. Could not get off “the ledge “. Tried painting, drawing, organizing, creating my handmade one of a kind jewelry… nothing was simmering down my extreme high vibrations!!! Then I found this episode, felt good, scooted off ledge and started creating my beautiful necklaces, keychains, purse jewelry while listening. Definitely a fan and will continue with next one.
One of my favorite series "Hell on Wheels" great job on your narrative and Eve on/in the series was very good based on your narrative.... thankfully she got to live and learn about/from both cultures 😮
I truly enjoy the way you ply your trade. You have out-historied the output of anything the history channel has done in a generation. Please keep continuing to enhance the gray matter of all willing to learn
Differences between Yavapai and Apache •Yavapai tended to be bigger and darker. Both in height and weight. While Apaches were often lithe, wiry and are often light complected in skin tone similar to that of tribes from the northern plains. •Apaches are part of the Athabaskan diaspora. The carriers of their language coming down from the north long ago. While Yavapai are thought to have ancient origins in Baja California. From there spreading out with the other Yuman tribes. Like the Quechan, Mojave and Walapai. The Walapai (and Havasupai) being their closest linguistic and cultural relatives. •Gourds rattles played a heavy role in Yavapai culture. They share the beautiful style of bird singing with many other western AZ tribes and those of Southern California. The Apache are not apart of the bird singing tradition and rely heavily on the drum. *The Yavapai were excellent traders, superb merchants. They once traded shells north to the Hopi and Havasupai. Later the Navajo too. Like all tribes the Yavapai loved Navajo blankets. While in some Apache cultures handling shells or anything out of water was taboo. There’s also no getting around the fact that Apache life was built around raiding. The Yavapai certainly raided but it wasn’t exclusively a cultural trait to them. •Some Yavapai caught and ate fish (mainly Tolkepaya.) While Apaches loathed the thought of ever eating fish. •Yavapai moccasins (when they weren’t wearing sandals) tended to be more rounded around the toes and sewn differently than the Apache moccasins with the pointed or the more infamous Chiricahua moccasin toe shaped like a half dollar. These are just differences I could think of off the top of my head. We must remember that both Yavapai and Apache tribes have cultures worth remembering distinctly.
I’m fairly confident that if Wipple’s Bearded Balls had had contact with the Bloody Beaver 🦫 effect then the squeezable extravaganzas of the old west and it’s dark areas would be much more different, dangerous and exploitable than we know of today.
Josh this was a good episode...I live in the valley below the Harquahala mountains and listened to your Oatman episode while riding from Prescott to Salome..kinda neet to think I was right in the area where alot of this occurred while listening, it's still remote ,in the 35 miles riding parallel to the mountains only one cars passed going the opposite direction. One thing you did not mention is the heat they had to deal with, the radiant heat ( heat not in the shade) in the summer is always 112-115F and very little water. Mohave is a little better because of the river. It's not unusual for it to hit 120F...I don't know how they lived out here, maby there was a above ground water source back then. The massacre occurred near gilla bend and you can get out to the grave site by 4 wheel drive, it's not really certain that the family is still actually buried there. I read a newspaper article about a speaking engagement where she mentioned being held just south of the eagle eye mountain every time I ride by that area I think of her and her sister. Anyway good episode, sorry this comment was so long.
Josh you never fail to deliver! I am learning so much in general, and very specific stories of the wild west. I have said this before, but the combination of fact finding and humor are sublime. Thanks for all the education, and entertainment. Properly Branded. I am actually, factually excited with a notification from.... The Wild West EXTRRRAAAAAVAGANZA!!
Thank you Josh. This is a wonderful episode of Wild West Extravaganza. I Love your channel, and it is a wonderful source of American West Historical information. Hats off to you and all your work. Thank you.
You already know how much I praise your page- and this just seems like a natural "shift" of content. Thanks for the hard work! Love your content indefinitely!! -a huge fan of yours ❤
Really like your show. Always thumbs up. I have been to the Oatman massacre sight. It is harsh and unforgiving country. You do really good work. Cheers
Out of everything I can look forward to, your vids make me the happiest! I'm not blowin' smoke up your back end, I really mean it. This channel is one of a kind!!!
When i was 14 i was digging ditches and fighting off bandits. She was lucky to have lived and wrote a book about it. Lesson: ignore your visions for any promised land. That only worked for Moses. Thank's for the great upload.
So cool dude. I been watched your vids for awhile. I live like 10 mins down the road from Oatman AZ on the river. I grew up out here so its fun when people talk about the area around here
I knew this was going to be a good one and you did not disappoint. There's always debates about who the biggest bad ass of the west was and I'm glad you brought her into the conversation. I mean, this is one tough person. A survivor. Really what she did was adapt to her new reality. But what I find interesting is at what point when she was first taken captive did she give up hope? It's such a tragic and terrible concept to have inflicted upon you. I don't ever want to have to find out what it takes to pull yourself out of that and carry on. But I have nothing but respect for that kind of resiliency and will. Now I need to get to work on the script so I can get my hands on those untapped Hollywood millions.
Found you today .so glad i did absolutely love documentary ❤️ Im from Scotland and we have a similar sense of humour😅 mind you this documentary is really sad poor olive and her family 😢
Wild West Extravaganza is awesome. I always let everyone know that this podcast is one you have to listen to. Great podcast with terifficly timed humor. Keep it up. Hyay!
Was crazy timing listening to this, was driving by where Maricopa Wells used to be while listening, and could almost see the Oatmans wagon hooking around the south end of the Estrella Mountains kicking up dust.
Great video as always Josh, I had heard of Olive Oatman but had never read anything on her or listened to any videos on her. I recently watched a video here on TH-cam called Wild West Most Wanted, where they listed who they thought were the 10 most Wanted outlaws of the Wild West, I was wondering if you might ever do a video like that?
New subscriber! This was so enjoyable to listen to. I usually have my face buried in any history book i can find and this was just as well said as any book I've read.
@@WildWestExtravaganza Grandfather took me when I was a kid, great visit. Roads leading in are pretty hardcore if I remember correctly, but the town looks amazing.
I kind of feel bad for her going back to society like that, being judged by her appearance and what she went through and then the feeling of not fitting in and missing what you had must have been very confusing
As an ex-Mormon, I do have to laugh a bit at what was going on at this time with that religion. It was madness! Of course the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the largest but not the only sect, doesn’t want its members to know it’s true history! But that’s not the point of your video, so I’ll leave it at that. My heart does break for Olive. I can’t image the confusion that was always raging inside and no one who knew how to help her.
That description of Yuma must have been high on peyote. I never thought that having lived In Havasu for 12 years and took many trips around the area. It was death, gray, and I never want to return
No self respecting Apache would have readily utilized wolf skins for clothes. And no Apaches of the Athabaskan kind were found west of Pima villages except for maybe an occasional Tonto. The residence of the assailants in the Harquahalla mountains positively identifies them to me as being Tolkepaya Yavapai. Avowed enemies of the Pima and Maricopa. Being western Yavapai they were closer to the Quechan (Yuma) and Mojave. They were friendly with those tribes and in all honesty they didn’t care much for Apaches unlike the other eastern bands of Yavapai (Wipukeba & Kewevkapaya) that tended to dress and act more like western Apaches.
Josh my dude sry missed a couple episodes been crazy. Anyway that said great episode I've always thought this was a interesting story and you nailed it.
I enjoyed learning about Olive...i am going to find her book. I have never heard about Olive before...what a strong woman. Thanks very much. Have a great day.😊
Tribes world wide have inflicted worse atrocities on each other. Olive's dad was no Moses. He should not have led his family to the promised land in the way he did....great job Josh
Was in oatman last year. Asked about a museum or sth. About the oatman ordeal, they didn't even know what i was talking about except one shop owner who said " i am so sorry, but we have nothing about this Story" Most information can be found in a book on the topic or in the wild west museum in kingman
I know, I was shocked to find out that Josh hasn't watched Hell on Wheels, Fairly historically accurate and very entertaining. Eva's character is loosely based on Olive Oatman and the show does go into some of the details of her plight. It's a must watch for any true Western fan.
Hell on wheels? The baby in that shie NEVER gets dirty of hurt. That poor dear gets thrown, bounced and tossed in the mud.. but yet NEVER gets dirty or hurt.
Yuma AZ is STILL hell on earth! I lived there exactly 1 year in 1987-1988. I absolutely hated it! Our electric bill was always around $400 (big bucks in the 80’s) as we tried to keep the 2 bedroom apt around 80* F & the apartment pool was always like bath water; only slightly cooler than the hot tub. The most miserable place I had ever been stationed at in the military as a dependent, & then when my husband took a gov job at Yuma Marine Air Corp Station. Horrible, horrible place to “live”. More like “survive”
@@WildWestExtravaganza I remember seeing photos of that time period in school. It was mostly white settlers at that time. When I was living there it was a beautiful mix of Mexican and American. It has its own history. I should go back there someday. I k own its changed a lot.
do it and then make a video about it. I’ve been to Bodie, CA before. It’s amazing. BNot sure what it looks like now but I’m sure it’s still a cool place to visit.
I'm pretty sure Olive would not have wanted what happened after but then again she didn't want the beginning of it either. REST IN PEACE sister, together with your own sister and family. All of them, whoever they Be. ❤❤❤
I have enjoyed them all but this episode is the best. I feel so sorry for Ms. Oatman. It was without a doubt, an interesting life. She must have been tortured with self-recriminations of one sort or another for most of her life. I do hope she found some happiness.
Weirdly enough my coworker got the hiccups for about 2-3 weeks apparently as a symptom of covid. In any case he got the hiccups while he was fairly sick from covid
I lived in Yuma for 7 years and it's definitely the hottest place I've ever been 😩. I'm originally from San Diego so it was a huge difference. U have to have AC and a Swamp cooler to survive lol u can't even go out until after midnight if u don't want burn up in the summertime. The people there are really nice tho ❤
I have some mixed feelings about this story. On the one hand I can not stand by what the natives did to Olive's family, killing a stranded group of mostly children is a very unforgivable thing to do, even if your starving. But if I attempt to put myself in the shoes of those natives I would probably see the Oatmans as members of a colonizing force. It would be easy to dehumanize them after growing up in a culture that is being colonized often in a brutal and heavy handed way. I think a lot of us could be capable of some very dark things if we faced the sort of domination inflicted upon the native peoples.
The whole west back then was a show of the worst aspects of humanity on both sides, yet it is all so woven together with good intentions, broken promises, tragic peacemakers betrayed by government fickleness, brutal retaliation, retaliation against retaliation boiling in dehumanizing hatred. I want to weep when I think of it all. But you’re right, they were all acting from their own situations as they had to. We would have all done the same. Which means it was unavoidable. The power difference was too large, and the land was too valuable for the native way of life to defend. Perhaps it would have been better if they had, but that’s a fantasy.
Anyone notice the design on the arm of her dress that councides with her arm tattoos? Tight, she had style - still think the face tattoo could signify both woman and property - why would it mean one thing for one tribe but not have carryover significance for another?
I'm willing to bet that there's a bit of revisionist history in this story, especially in regards to whether or not she was a slave, based on the tattoo or not.
(12:44)I was wondering, if men cried in the wild West just today. can you imagine leading your family into a pending doom and knowing it but they don’t or maybe do?
Similarities. I forgot to mention why the Yavapai were so often mistaken for Apaches. Were because of the following. •Both Yavapai and Apache dwelled in wikiup brush shelters and were primarily mountain dwellers. •Yavapai and Apache often dressed very similarly. Both men and women. Men with breech clouts and high top moccasins with hair long and held in place with a headband. Women often cut their hair above their eyes and around the shoulders. Western Yavapai men often plaited and coiled their hair with clay after the fashion of tribes living along the Colorado and Gila Rivers (i.e. the Pima, Yuma, Mohave, Halchidhoma, Kohuana etc.) •Both were superb fighters and implacable when their anger was aroused. •Both were avowed foes (and later the Americans) of the Pima and Maricopa. Who were very pro American. Although at one point there was a period of ancient friendship between O’odham and Yavapai. •Both believed in the power of the Ga’an (White Mountain Apache name) or crown dancers. The Yavapai say that the mountain spirits live in certain places especially the one area known as four peaks. •both tribes were superb hunters. With deer being the most important game animal to them all. •both tribes were skilled raiders who’s physical endurance was legendary. Although culturally speaking, almost as a rule.. the Apache would be back sooner than later.
I've been looking on this channel for the second battle of adobe walls but there is so much "content" (not complaining) if it's here, I'm missing it. I'm really interested in anything related to Bat Masterson. Ive always wondered about the dynamics of his relationship with the Earp family. Like, was he a mentor or an equal to Wyatt? In the Costner movie he is portrayed as a skinner for Wyatt but that doesn't line up with other sources I've read. Yeah, those are the kind of important things that cross my mind when in deep thought. My mind seems to focus on the trivial. Oh, I was reading about prominent Oklahomans, and I started reading about this guy who was a detective on the OKC police force back in the 30s and 40s. I know it was after the west was won, so to speak, but he was an interesting sort. He was an expert with a pistol and had killed at least 19 men in the line of duty. The FBI recruited him and I can't for the life of me remember his name lol Okay, his name was Delf Bryce, or Jacob A "jelly" Bryce. If you guys aren't familiar, he's worth checking out. So yeah, we aren't all outlaws, here, in Indian Territory :) kind of a long winded comment, sorry
So glad you brought real life to who many would consider fictional characters . I said to myself when watching Hell on wheels , we’ll that’s something you wouldn’t see often. Wonder if there’s any truth in it? Question answered! Thank you.
Unfortunately I don't remember what it's called. I bought it off a website that specializes in license free music. I believe it was just called "western." The "yah!" part is my voice.
I am no expert, but maybe her strange name was a reference to her inability to have children. It doesn’t appear she had children after she was back in “civilized”society either.
Me I was in the Philippines with my stepfather who was torturing us feeding us Breaking our bones testing medicine on us that burn us I'm running to the bamboos to hide That was me at 14
The end of this video confuses me. I am also confused about her being traded in the first place. She wasn't told about her surviving brother until after she arrived at the fort? So, she was just traded for stright up? Then she wasn't free to leave if she had to be traded for. Or free at all IF she could be traded for. If she had a husband and children. Why would she leave? Much less get traded away. Maybe that is how the tribe operated. Wed a woman and have kids with her. Then trade her off. Seems bizzare. If you think she was sexually assaulted by the initial tribe. Would she be so eager to hop into the sack with anyone after the fact? I may have missed something. Or just be displaying my ignorance. But, this whole speculation on her sexual activity just seems to wrap the whole narrative into a knot. Also, we would be asking these questions about sexual activity about a man. Especially if he could not shave. Lol. The tribal women did not seem to like beards.
Bought a book about Mary Jemison at a library booksale and needed more information - some make it sound like these things were a walk in the park but the ladies were usually young girls who had their families killed so had no choice but to adapt or die - natives didnt really like to take dudes lol notice how these societies never like to share their women although it documented they would sell if the price was right - at least a fine horse or 2 and some porridge. Mary Jemison is a amazing story of perseverance - she outlasted 2 husbands and had children w one - think they stayed w her and assimilated back into the colonies - a lot of women dont realize that black men, former slaves had more rights than they had for awhile - the right to vote at the top although nominally u were supposed to be a landowner and pay taxes I dont think this was enforced just like today there was always a mockery made of the process, its nothing new - a lots made of these European girls falling in love with their captors - I dont think thats the right way to look at it - ppl are resilient and adapt to their environment and circumstances - sometimes they escaped and even got revenge - of course if you kidnap a 9 or 10 yr old they will fit right in after a while - they werent brides they were an extra pair of hands to do work and rear babies - even in the middle ages Europeans were still raiding other towns for brides either literally or figuratively - and a mail order bride didnt often have a say in the matter - we sometimes forget this type of slavery - not as much adoption of boys as tv would make one think - tribes didnt need competition they needed quiet workers -
Great Olive Oatman Story. For your followers of this story, they would also be interested in our Larson adventure film, also on youtube. Look for Oatman Massacre under Larson adventures. It is really amazing going out to these places first hand. The location where this actually happened is a long distance from the town of Oatman. We fly you over actual trails the Oatman's followed. We also take you there by jeep. Hope your followers watch it.
I’ve seen her picture forever, but didn’t know anything about her. Glad I finally learned. I live in northern Utah, I have been to Yuma with the military, and lived in tent city. If my religious leader or dad took me there before AC I would have KICKED HIM in the jewels. It has its beauty, but it is one hot sucker.
Glad to see the story of Olive being put forth for all to hear. My wife and I used to go South from South Dakota to Arizona for the winter months, thus avoiding the cold and snow that cover our home state. Our first trip, we found a little campground on Rte 66 in Topock Arizona, going to Oatman for a meal at the Olive Oatman hotel was a regular thing, my wife loved the burro's and giving them a treat was always part of the trip, it was about 12 miles up to Oatman through the wonderful desert and the old town had so much to offer for tourists and snowbirds like us. My lovely wife was taken from me a few years back and those trips to Arizona are but a memory that makes me smile to think about, I sold the rig about a year ago our last trip was before that covid crap. The story was all part of our wonderful late life adventures, memories that I shall take to my grave with a smile.
I’m very sorry about your wife. Glad you were able to make such wonderful memories together
Thank you for sharing. Peace be with you 🕊
@@JerryEricsson I loved this story. Thank you for sharing. Sorry for the loss of your wife. I'm glad you have fond memories to help you through ❤️
I live like 10 mins down the road from Oatman AZ on the river. The southwest mountains and desert are very mystical
I’m sorry for your loss🙏
You’re the only other person whose ever mentioned Topock…I’ll be there soon and will think of you and your wife while dining at the restaurant with car murals✨💖✨
Thanks! you keep me rolling my friend when im heading out west out in the middle of nowhere .Out in the desert and nigh plains .Its peaceful out there .Your adlibs crack me up !!!😂🤣
Wow, thank YOU
@@buddy1968100 you be careful out there
That is sooo kind!
I'm downloading so many of your uploads in the event I lose power in this hurricane. Stay safe, and thank you for all of the amazing content. You're content had gotten me through many hard days at work lol.
Please be safe! Are you evacuating?
Were all thinking about you guys down there.
Yep, been thru plenty of hurricanes. My heart goes out to everyone in the path
Be safe, thoughts and prayers
Stay safe friend!
I've found this channel 2 days ago. I've watched many hours of your videos, Josh, for my whole childhood, my grandmother & I would drive from Michigan down to Arizona every summer. I've been to the Grand Canyon, tombstone, the alamo & many more places. I've always been fascinated by the old west. Sadly, I stopped traveling down their do to my grandmother taking her own life now I have 3 children & your videos have been making me wanting to plan a trip with my family to go down there.
Her story is always so sad to hear. My husband and I got to stay in Oatman in 1996. We were lucky enough to get to spend the night in the Oatman hotel, after eating dinner and having drinks in the bar. Breakfast in town the next morning before doing the tourist thing and petting and feeding the donkeys. It’s such a cool town and worth the trip, as well as old Route 66.
Awe… thanks for the ❤️! Back atcha!
Josh you are my favorite producer. Your content helps chill me out when my PTSD is acting an 🫏. Thank you for what you do.
Thank you for listening
@@grayman556 first time
“thankfully “ finding this podcast. Was having severe anxiety. Could not get off “the ledge “. Tried painting, drawing, organizing, creating my handmade one of a kind jewelry… nothing was simmering down my extreme high vibrations!!!
Then I found this episode, felt good, scooted off ledge and started creating my beautiful necklaces, keychains, purse jewelry while listening. Definitely a fan and will continue with next one.
One of my favorite series "Hell on Wheels" great job on your narrative and Eve on/in the series was very good based on your narrative.... thankfully she got to live and learn about/from both cultures 😮
Perfect timing, i was just reading up on the Oatmans , listening to your amazing content is a thousand times better!!!
Wow, thanks man
I read about Olive Oatman years ago, I think I was in highschool but it was something brief. Definitely the most detailed story I've heard on her.
Thanks Tom
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I truly enjoy the way you ply your trade. You have out-historied the output of anything the history channel has done in a generation. Please keep continuing to enhance the gray matter of all willing to learn
Glad you enjoy it!
Differences between Yavapai and Apache
•Yavapai tended to be bigger and darker. Both in height and weight. While Apaches were often lithe, wiry and are often light complected in skin tone similar to that of tribes from the northern plains.
•Apaches are part of the Athabaskan diaspora. The carriers of their language coming down from the north long ago. While Yavapai are thought to have ancient origins in Baja California. From there spreading out with the other Yuman tribes. Like the Quechan, Mojave and Walapai. The Walapai (and Havasupai) being their closest linguistic and cultural relatives.
•Gourds rattles played a heavy role in Yavapai culture. They share the beautiful style of bird singing with many other western AZ tribes and those of Southern California. The Apache are not apart of the bird singing tradition and rely heavily on the drum.
*The Yavapai were excellent traders, superb merchants. They once traded shells north to the Hopi and Havasupai. Later the Navajo too. Like all tribes the Yavapai loved Navajo blankets. While in some Apache cultures handling shells or anything out of water was taboo. There’s also no getting around the fact that Apache life was built around raiding. The Yavapai certainly raided but it wasn’t exclusively a cultural trait to them.
•Some Yavapai caught and ate fish (mainly Tolkepaya.) While Apaches loathed the thought of ever eating fish.
•Yavapai moccasins (when they weren’t wearing sandals) tended to be more rounded around the toes and sewn differently than the Apache moccasins with the pointed or the more infamous Chiricahua moccasin toe shaped like a half dollar.
These are just differences I could think of off the top of my head. We must remember that both Yavapai and Apache tribes have cultures worth remembering distinctly.
Good info
I’m fairly confident that if Wipple’s Bearded Balls had had contact with the Bloody Beaver 🦫 effect then the squeezable extravaganzas of the old west and it’s dark areas would be much more different, dangerous and exploitable than we know of today.
@@blainehillis1921 Wow! All that just off the top of your head. Thank you for sharing.
@@dyanstoutenburg9974 you’re welcome! I grew up in the midst of all these tribes/people.
@@WildWestExtravaganza thank you! Awesome channel you got thanks for the stories and entertainment. I always smash the like button.
Josh this was a good episode...I live in the valley below the Harquahala mountains and listened to your Oatman episode while riding from Prescott to Salome..kinda neet to think I was right in the area where alot of this occurred while listening, it's still remote ,in the 35 miles riding parallel to the mountains only one cars passed going the opposite direction. One thing you did not mention is the heat they had to deal with, the radiant heat ( heat not in the shade) in the summer is always 112-115F and very little water. Mohave is a little better because of the river. It's not unusual for it to hit 120F...I don't know how they lived out here, maby there was a above ground water source back then. The massacre occurred near gilla bend and you can get out to the grave site by 4 wheel drive, it's not really certain that the family is still actually buried there. I read a newspaper article about a speaking engagement where she mentioned being held just south of the eagle eye mountain every time I ride by that area I think of her and her sister. Anyway good episode, sorry this comment was so long.
Good info
Josh you never fail to deliver! I am learning so much in general, and very specific stories of the wild west. I have said this before, but the combination of fact finding and humor are sublime. Thanks for all the education, and entertainment. Properly Branded. I am actually, factually excited with a notification from.... The Wild West EXTRRRAAAAAVAGANZA!!
Thank you sir
Thank you Josh. This is a wonderful episode of Wild West Extravaganza. I Love your channel, and it is a wonderful source of American West Historical information. Hats off to you and all your work. Thank you.
Glad you enjoy it
How have I only just come across this channel?! I love it
Thank you!
You already know how much I praise your page- and this just seems like a natural "shift" of content. Thanks for the hard work! Love your content indefinitely!! -a huge fan of yours ❤
Really like your show. Always thumbs up. I have been to the Oatman massacre sight. It is harsh and unforgiving country. You do really good work.
Cheers
Thank you
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We LOVE your content and efforts JOSH!
Hey Josh for some reason I'm not getting the notification for your uploads 😢 either way can't wait for this story
Oh no!
Sometimes unsubbing waiting a min and resubbin and hitting the bell again will Work
@@sinsitisquid thank you I will try that this is the only channel I have notifications on for lol
Hell yeah, Josh! Perfect timing for my run!
Out of everything I can look forward to, your vids make me the happiest! I'm not blowin' smoke up your back end, I really mean it. This channel is one of a kind!!!
When i was 14 i was digging ditches and fighting off bandits. She was lucky to have lived and wrote a book about it. Lesson: ignore your visions for any promised land. That only worked for Moses. Thank's for the great upload.
So cool dude. I been watched your vids for awhile. I live like 10 mins down the road from Oatman AZ on the river. I grew up out here so its fun when people talk about the area around here
I knew this was going to be a good one and you did not disappoint. There's always debates about who the biggest bad ass of the west was and I'm glad you brought her into the conversation. I mean, this is one tough person. A survivor. Really what she did was adapt to her new reality. But what I find interesting is at what point when she was first taken captive did she give up hope? It's such a tragic and terrible concept to have inflicted upon you. I don't ever want to have to find out what it takes to pull yourself out of that and carry on. But I have nothing but respect for that kind of resiliency and will. Now I need to get to work on the script so I can get my hands on those untapped Hollywood millions.
Found you today .so glad i did absolutely love documentary ❤️ Im from Scotland and we have a similar sense of humour😅 mind you this documentary is really sad poor olive and her family 😢
I found him a few weeks ago.. He's really good. Lots of great content
Another grand adventure through the history of the Wild West. Looking forward to hearing more about the pioneering women of this era.
Wild West Extravaganza is awesome. I always let everyone know that this podcast is one you have to listen to. Great podcast with terifficly timed humor. Keep it up. Hyay!
Thank you!!!
Was crazy timing listening to this, was driving by where Maricopa Wells used to be while listening, and could almost see the Oatmans wagon hooking around the south end of the Estrella Mountains kicking up dust.
Very cool
I love moments like that, equal parts cool & sort of creepy.
Great job on this Josh. Can not wait for the great western episode
Great video as always Josh, I had heard of Olive Oatman but had never read anything on her or listened to any videos on her. I recently watched a video here on TH-cam called Wild West Most Wanted, where they listed who they thought were the 10 most Wanted outlaws of the Wild West, I was wondering if you might ever do a video like that?
I think I might
New subscriber! This was so enjoyable to listen to. I usually have my face buried in any history book i can find and this was just as well said as any book I've read.
Welcome! Glad you liked it
Ur channel is awesome 👍🏿 can't wait to binge 🙌🏿 I'm on my second video now ❤️🤗
Thank you!
Oatman Arizona is an awesome place to visit. Thank you for keeping our countries history alive.
I hear they have lots of mules
@@WildWestExtravaganza they sure do! It’s practically their town 😂
There are mules everywhere! Lol
I gotta check it out
@@WildWestExtravaganza Grandfather took me when I was a kid, great visit.
Roads leading in are pretty hardcore if I remember correctly, but the town looks amazing.
absolutely love this channel, especially the fact that there's no politics, just history 🎉❤
Poly is the Latin word for many. And ticks are blood sucking insects haha
I kind of feel bad for her going back to society like that, being judged by her appearance and what she went through and then the feeling of not fitting in and missing what you had must have been very confusing
As an ex-Mormon, I do have to laugh a bit at what was going on at this time with that religion. It was madness! Of course the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the largest but not the only sect, doesn’t want its members to know it’s true history! But that’s not the point of your video, so I’ll leave it at that.
My heart does break for Olive. I can’t image the confusion that was always raging inside and no one who knew how to help her.
That description of Yuma must have been high on peyote. I never thought that having lived In Havasu for 12 years and took many trips around the area. It was death, gray, and I never want to return
Another good one! Made an hour of my work day fly by thanks brother!!
Glad to hear it!
Southwestern AZ is a paradise. The sandbox is Yuma and we play there. My Yuma friends: i love you, you know who you are!
When you said what her Indian name was, it was unexpected that I spit nectarine on my desk. That being cleaned up, great episode 😂
Surprised me when I read it
No self respecting Apache would have readily utilized wolf skins for clothes. And no Apaches of the Athabaskan kind were found west of Pima villages except for maybe an occasional Tonto. The residence of the assailants in the Harquahalla mountains positively identifies them to me as being Tolkepaya Yavapai. Avowed enemies of the Pima and Maricopa. Being western Yavapai they were closer to the Quechan (Yuma) and Mojave. They were friendly with those tribes and in all honesty they didn’t care much for Apaches unlike the other eastern bands of Yavapai (Wipukeba & Kewevkapaya) that tended to dress and act more like western Apaches.
Josh my dude sry missed a couple episodes been crazy. Anyway that said great episode I've always thought this was a interesting story and you nailed it.
Thank you
❤ Another great episode. Thanks
Thanks
I enjoyed learning about Olive...i am going to find her book. I have never heard about Olive before...what a strong woman. Thanks very much. Have a great day.😊
Tribes world wide have inflicted worse atrocities on each other. Olive's dad was no Moses. He should not have led his family to the promised land in the way he did....great job Josh
Desperation can lead some to do the craziest things.
As always Josh 👍👍
Gracias
Look at her haunting eyes. I think poor Olive suffered from both PTSD and Stockholm syndrome. 😢
Was in oatman last year. Asked about a museum or sth. About the oatman ordeal, they didn't even know what i was talking about except one shop owner who said " i am so sorry, but we have nothing about this Story"
Most information can be found in a book on the topic or in the wild west museum in kingman
Hell on Wheels is an excellent series. It is a must watch IMO. Ranks up there with Lonesome Dove.
I know, I was shocked to find out that Josh hasn't watched Hell on Wheels, Fairly historically accurate and very entertaining. Eva's character is loosely based on Olive Oatman and the show does go into some of the details of her plight. It's a must watch for any true Western fan.
Hell on wheels? The baby in that shie NEVER gets dirty of hurt. That poor dear gets thrown, bounced and tossed in the mud.. but yet NEVER gets dirty or hurt.
Yuma AZ is STILL hell on earth! I lived there exactly 1 year in 1987-1988. I absolutely hated it! Our electric bill was always around $400 (big bucks in the 80’s) as we tried to keep the 2 bedroom apt around 80* F & the apartment pool was always like bath water; only slightly cooler than the hot tub. The most miserable place I had ever been stationed at in the military as a dependent, & then when my husband took a gov job at Yuma Marine Air Corp Station. Horrible, horrible place to “live”. More like “survive”
Heard it was 2 horses 3 blanks. Let's see what Josh dug up.
I’ve read Fanny Kelly’s book about being captured by the Sioux. Really interesting. I highly recommend it.
What a crazy life.The west was wide open.
Cool episode! Thanks bub!
My pleasure
That’s interesting that Olive went back to El Monte, CA for a time. I grew up there. Who knew someone so famous lived there for a time 😊
Now you know! And knowing is half the battle.
@@WildWestExtravaganza I remember seeing photos of that time period in school. It was mostly white settlers at that time. When I was living there it was a beautiful mix of Mexican and American. It has its own history. I should go back there someday. I k own its changed a lot.
Now you’re making me want to take a road trip
do it and then make a video about it. I’ve been to Bodie, CA before. It’s amazing. BNot sure what it looks like now but I’m sure it’s still a cool place to visit.
I'm pretty sure Olive would not have wanted what happened after but then again she didn't want the beginning of it either. REST IN PEACE sister, together with your own sister and family. All of them, whoever they Be. ❤❤❤
I have enjoyed them all but this episode is the best. I feel so sorry for Ms. Oatman. It was without a doubt, an interesting life. She must have been tortured with self-recriminations of one sort or another for most of her life. I do hope she found some happiness.
Weirdly enough my coworker got the hiccups for about 2-3 weeks apparently as a symptom of covid. In any case he got the hiccups while he was fairly sick from covid
I believe she was probably married and with children, part of the family units❤
I lived in Yuma for 7 years and it's definitely the hottest place I've ever been 😩. I'm originally from San Diego so it was a huge difference. U have to have AC and a Swamp cooler to survive lol u can't even go out until after midnight if u don't want burn up in the summertime. The people there are really nice tho ❤
Can't imagine living there before AC was invented
Good job
I have some mixed feelings about this story. On the one hand I can not stand by what the natives did to Olive's family, killing a stranded group of mostly children is a very unforgivable thing to do, even if your starving. But if I attempt to put myself in the shoes of those natives I would probably see the Oatmans as members of a colonizing force. It would be easy to dehumanize them after growing up in a culture that is being colonized often in a brutal and heavy handed way. I think a lot of us could be capable of some very dark things if we faced the sort of domination inflicted upon the native peoples.
The whole west back then was a show of the worst aspects of humanity on both sides, yet it is all so woven together with good intentions, broken promises, tragic peacemakers betrayed by government fickleness, brutal retaliation, retaliation against retaliation boiling in dehumanizing hatred. I want to weep when I think of it all. But you’re right, they were all acting from their own situations as they had to. We would have all done the same. Which means it was unavoidable. The power difference was too large, and the land was too valuable for the native way of life to defend. Perhaps it would have been better if they had, but that’s a fantasy.
Great Job Josh!😎👍
Many thanks
Love love love your narration
Thank you!
I was smoking lots of pot at 14. At 56, I am smoking lots of pot. Maryjane isy most loyal friend ❤
Amazing story ❤
Thank you!
Anyone notice the design on the arm of her dress that councides with her arm tattoos? Tight, she had style - still think the face tattoo could signify both woman and property - why would it mean one thing for one tribe but not have carryover significance for another?
I'm willing to bet that there's a bit of revisionist history in this story, especially in regards to whether or not she was a slave, based on the tattoo or not.
How so?
(12:44)I was wondering, if men cried in the wild West just today. can you imagine leading your family into a pending doom and knowing it but they don’t or maybe do?
Great video.
I suspect her nickname came from her treatment upon being captured, possibly unable to have children following this?
Ive only ever heard the word "fecundity" in an old Bad Religion song until now.
Appreciate you, sir 👊♥️🇺🇲
Right back atcha
Very good content 👍. Excellent 👌👌 job.
Thank you so much 👍
Similarities. I forgot to mention why the Yavapai were so often mistaken for Apaches. Were because of the following.
•Both Yavapai and Apache dwelled in wikiup brush shelters and were primarily mountain dwellers.
•Yavapai and Apache often dressed very similarly. Both men and women. Men with breech clouts and high top moccasins with hair long and held in place with a headband. Women often cut their hair above their eyes and around the shoulders. Western Yavapai men often plaited and coiled their hair with clay after the fashion of tribes living along the Colorado and Gila Rivers (i.e. the Pima, Yuma, Mohave, Halchidhoma, Kohuana etc.)
•Both were superb fighters and implacable when their anger was aroused.
•Both were avowed foes (and later the Americans) of the Pima and Maricopa. Who were very pro American. Although at one point there was a period of ancient friendship between O’odham and Yavapai.
•Both believed in the power of the Ga’an (White Mountain Apache name) or crown dancers. The Yavapai say that the mountain spirits live in certain places especially the one area known as four peaks.
•both tribes were superb hunters. With deer being the most important game animal to them all.
•both tribes were skilled raiders who’s physical endurance was legendary. Although culturally speaking, almost as a rule.. the Apache would be back sooner than later.
I've been looking on this channel for the second battle of adobe walls but there is so much "content" (not complaining) if it's here, I'm missing it. I'm really interested in anything related to Bat Masterson. Ive always wondered about the dynamics of his relationship with the Earp family. Like, was he a mentor or an equal to Wyatt? In the Costner movie he is portrayed as a skinner for Wyatt but that doesn't line up with other sources I've read. Yeah, those are the kind of important things that cross my mind when in deep thought. My mind seems to focus on the trivial. Oh, I was reading about prominent Oklahomans, and I started reading about this guy who was a detective on the OKC police force back in the 30s and 40s. I know it was after the west was won, so to speak, but he was an interesting sort. He was an expert with a pistol and had killed at least 19 men in the line of duty. The FBI recruited him and I can't for the life of me remember his name lol Okay, his name was Delf Bryce, or Jacob A "jelly" Bryce. If you guys aren't familiar, he's worth checking out. So yeah, we aren't all outlaws, here, in Indian Territory :) kind of a long winded comment, sorry
So glad you brought real life to who many would consider fictional characters . I said to myself when watching Hell on wheels , we’ll that’s something you wouldn’t see often. Wonder if there’s any truth in it? Question answered! Thank you.
There ya go
Cool! I'm Potawatomi Native American
Im saving this one for my drive out to Seguin.
Drive safe
Thank you!
You're welcome!
Hearing the better help add. I’m scared of balloons
The Hell on Wheels "upgraded" version of Olive Oatman is a smoke show
Olive Oatman, such a prettier name than Ol Stinky Puss
Whats the name of your intro music??? I NEED IT IN MY LIFE
Unfortunately I don't remember what it's called. I bought it off a website that specializes in license free music. I believe it was just called "western." The "yah!" part is my voice.
Yahhhhhh🤙🏻
I am no expert, but maybe her strange name was a reference to her inability to have children. It doesn’t appear she had children after she was back in “civilized”society either.
Mayhaps
Her "Indian" name 😮🙈😱😸 you could say they had a "savage" sense of humor.
Good point, Sir
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I personally think she is strikingly beautiful. She does have a very haunting stare though
Me I was in the Philippines with my stepfather who was torturing us feeding us Breaking our bones testing medicine on us that burn us I'm running to the bamboos to hide That was me at 14
Sorry to hear that
The end of this video confuses me.
I am also confused about her being traded in the first place. She wasn't told about her surviving brother until after she arrived at the fort?
So, she was just traded for stright up?
Then she wasn't free to leave if she had to be traded for. Or free at all IF she could be traded for.
If she had a husband and children. Why would she leave? Much less get traded away.
Maybe that is how the tribe operated. Wed a woman and have kids with her. Then trade her off. Seems bizzare.
If you think she was sexually assaulted by the initial tribe.
Would she be so eager to hop into the sack with anyone after the fact?
I may have missed something. Or just be displaying my ignorance. But, this whole speculation on her sexual activity just seems to wrap the whole narrative into a knot.
Also, we would be asking these questions about sexual activity about a man. Especially if he could not shave. Lol. The tribal women did not seem to like beards.
I often get confused as well
Cults are hazardous to everyone’s well being.
I was in Oatman, AZ last week!
Awesome
Ive seen the photo of olive many times it’s interesting to hear the real story
Bought a book about Mary Jemison at a library booksale and needed more information - some make it sound like these things were a walk in the park but the ladies were usually young girls who had their families killed so had no choice but to adapt or die - natives didnt really like to take dudes lol notice how these societies never like to share their women although it documented they would sell if the price was right - at least a fine horse or 2 and some porridge. Mary Jemison is a amazing story of perseverance - she outlasted 2 husbands and had children w one - think they stayed w her and assimilated back into the colonies - a lot of women dont realize that black men, former slaves had more rights than they had for awhile - the right to vote at the top although nominally u were supposed to be a landowner and pay taxes I dont think this was enforced just like today there was always a mockery made of the process, its nothing new - a lots made of these European girls falling in love with their captors - I dont think thats the right way to look at it - ppl are resilient and adapt to their environment and circumstances - sometimes they escaped and even got revenge - of course if you kidnap a 9 or 10 yr old they will fit right in after a while - they werent brides they were an extra pair of hands to do work and rear babies - even in the middle ages Europeans were still raiding other towns for brides either literally or figuratively - and a mail order bride didnt often have a say in the matter - we sometimes forget this type of slavery - not as much adoption of boys as tv would make one think - tribes didnt need competition they needed quiet workers -
Hell of a story poor thing
WOW, the truth is hard to find. But loved ones know the whole truth.
cool
So she said the tattoo was a slave mark and others say no. Maybe she did not fully understand the reason for the tattoo and thought it was.
Maybe
@@WildWestExtravaganza hard to say without talking to her
Her nickname was possibly due to possibly not being about to produce children being considered rotten.
Possibly
Great Olive Oatman Story. For your followers of this story, they would also be interested in our Larson adventure film, also on youtube. Look for Oatman Massacre under Larson adventures. It is really amazing going out to these places first hand. The location where this actually happened is a long distance from the town of Oatman. We fly you over actual trails the Oatman's followed. We also take you there by jeep. Hope your followers watch it.
The tribe called Yavipai is pronounced Yav-a-pie, not Yav-a- vopi .
Noted
I’ve seen her picture forever, but didn’t know anything about her. Glad I finally learned. I live in northern Utah, I have been to Yuma with the military, and lived in tent city. If my religious leader or dad took me there before AC I would have KICKED HIM in the jewels. It has its beauty, but it is one hot sucker.