Couple small changes: - Dont use scorch after meteor anymore just bust right after meteor on the opener or anytime you enter bust with meteor. Otherwise enter bust with scorch. (.4% damage gain) - If less than 5 seconds of combustion remain then hold your skb for a few seconds. You can hard-cast it as soon as the cast ends after combustion expires. This means you will waste the last 1.5seconds or so of combustion. (.3% damage gain)
Im almost sure you can stick to Spellslinger / Boltslinger Frost and do a ton of dmg. Not sure if this will outperform Frost. But even if, it probably around 100k dps (if you are a casual). Just play what you like best, yesterday i had a Arcane in my Raid who was pretty close to me as Frost.
@Chris-hw9vv I hope this is the case, I play arcane better than I play the other 2 and managed to get a 2600+ io rating as arcane which I'm very happy with
Thanks for being on top of these guides. Was hoping to have something to help me practice and get things rolling on reset. I hope these changes stick because I'm so over frost and arcane this season. Would be nice to be able to play fire going into s2.
Hey I just wanted to write a comment to say thank you (and for the TH-cam algorithm of course) for what you do. I'm a very long time player, since just after Vanilla release, and have accomplished a lot as a Mage. I was one of the earliest Challenge Mode 9/9 on my server, and helped many people achieve Golds beside my own group. I got all three Mage Tower appearances at under 900 Ilevel far before legionfall buffs, before even the second phase of artifact talents and the crucible. I beat Zek'vir?? with 600 Ilevel, no gems or enchants or food or flasks... I'm genuinely good at and experienced with the class. But I have just come back from a 5 year long break and your guides have been instrumental in helping me find builds in a class that has changed a lot since I last played, notice changes that I hadn't yet myself. You put so much effort and clarity into not only videos but written guides with wonderful formatting and editing. That takes effort and commitment and I can see how much love you have for Mage and for the game and I really appreciate your work.
I’m struggling to transition from the world of paladin bonks but your guide is very in depth. I am confident it a me problem 😂 thank you for your efforts! They’re very valued to filthy casuals like me.
Never understood fire mage as much as i wanted to , and i sitll don't :(. This guide seems way to advanced , even if i paused , rewinded back and re watched , still ! like what is that SKB you keep saying?
Really wish you would put a order of operations on the side of the video like Kalamazi does in his. No offense, but listening to everything you are saying as you have a cast sequence gets lost on the public.
@@Xivuarath-p4o Im same, i can get my head around this rotation at all. ive managed to get a comfy 2700io just using spellslinger arcane. Feel like im having to learn a new rotation every week.
Great work mate thanks for the guide. Quick question do u use flame strike in full aoe build? Im confused because u drop majesty of the phoenix but keep quick flame. Cheers!
Just a small question, wouldn't you put Phoenix flames as a higher prio any time your Tier procs to activate the 6% spell dmg buff? As Fire I pretty much always just send a PF when Tier procs
Feels rough coming from arcane to frost now learning fire! the technicality of the spec feels worlds apart from the other two! I find I’m having trouble getting decent overall numbers with fire! with arc I’m about 1.mill, frost is about 1.3 and 800 with fire. I’m 623 ilvl. Should I not be flame striking below 5 targets? I know ignite does a majority of the dmg with 3 or less targets
Builds are on the raid page. For mythic add aoe so imo use the M+ prio damage build that has living bomb. I could see flamestrike being useful to but it depends on how much aoe you need.
@@warnerbouma5475 That semi answered the question. I do respect that SKB sims more, I don't know if it does but let's say it does. but why does it SIM more. There's no logic in going SKB instead of Inferno if inferno sims higher for literally ANY shape of fire spec of any kind.
Pretty sure frostfire better now after huge buff meanwhile there’s no change on the sunfury. You can still play sunfury which has easier rotation which I also prefer to play with ( and love that lil phoenix)
Gotta say it's a bit tiring to re-learn mage specs every 3 weeks. Even if you're used to the specs generally, the gear is different, CD management in dungeons is different. Damage profiles etc. Would be cool to stick to one spec for a few months at least.
Played it on two bosses, this herotalent/ spec loadout can go f itself. The amount of buffs/ cd tracking with a shit ton of cdr in the mix is 10 times worse than fire was in Abberus, god forbid how complex this will be to play with mechagon bracers next season and a new tier set
I was the same way. But the ability to hardcast pyro and move where I want to move is goated. Also blink stun is just way too good about getting me out of stuns and roots. Ice floes goated
The spec is absolutely shit in m+, has no burst and only steady damage . Good for bloodhound (pad) , broodkeeper (pad) ,silken court (CD on every AMP phase)
Couple small changes:
- Dont use scorch after meteor anymore just bust right after meteor on the opener or anytime you enter bust with meteor. Otherwise enter bust with scorch. (.4% damage gain)
- If less than 5 seconds of combustion remain then hold your skb for a few seconds. You can hard-cast it as soon as the cast ends after combustion expires. This means you will waste the last 1.5seconds or so of combustion. (.3% damage gain)
Learning the 5th mage rotation this season and you make it a breeze. Keep up the good work!
Bro it's so frustrating how much shit has just changed massively
lol I’m still playing arcane the way I was thought here during prepatch. Maybe it’s time I update…
This has gotta be a world record or something
Im almost sure you can stick to Spellslinger / Boltslinger Frost and do a ton of dmg.
Not sure if this will outperform Frost. But even if, it probably around 100k dps (if you are a casual).
Just play what you like best, yesterday i had a Arcane in my Raid who was pretty close to me as Frost.
@Chris-hw9vv I hope this is the case, I play arcane better than I play the other 2 and managed to get a 2600+ io rating as arcane which I'm very happy with
You probably dont hear this enough, so, 'Thank you! For all the work and effort you put in for this community!"
Excellent guide as always. Looking forward to the full version, thanks preheat you da best
Thanks for being on top of these guides. Was hoping to have something to help me practice and get things rolling on reset. I hope these changes stick because I'm so over frost and arcane this season. Would be nice to be able to play fire going into s2.
good stuff, was ready to give up on mage this patch, these buffs put me back in the game
Thank you for this ! I was looking forward to try Frostfire after the buffs
Love your guides. Legend!!! I need to wait for the full guide though :(
thanks a lot preheat! your guides always help me a lot! Another mage rotation, but at least they are fun this time xD
I was waiting for this Thank u very much for your afford pre
Thanks for the guide and illustrations. A weak aura for excess fire and frost would be great
Ah shit, here we go again. Thank for your work sire !
Hey I just wanted to write a comment to say thank you (and for the TH-cam algorithm of course) for what you do.
I'm a very long time player, since just after Vanilla release, and have accomplished a lot as a Mage. I was one of the earliest Challenge Mode 9/9 on my server, and helped many people achieve Golds beside my own group. I got all three Mage Tower appearances at under 900 Ilevel far before legionfall buffs, before even the second phase of artifact talents and the crucible. I beat Zek'vir?? with 600 Ilevel, no gems or enchants or food or flasks... I'm genuinely good at and experienced with the class.
But I have just come back from a 5 year long break and your guides have been instrumental in helping me find builds in a class that has changed a lot since I last played, notice changes that I hadn't yet myself. You put so much effort and clarity into not only videos but written guides with wonderful formatting and editing.
That takes effort and commitment and I can see how much love you have for Mage and for the game and I really appreciate your work.
I’m struggling to transition from the world of paladin bonks but your guide is very in depth. I am confident it a me problem 😂 thank you for your efforts! They’re very valued to filthy casuals like me.
Thanks for the guide!
this guy creat the most clear guide for not dealing any damage with your class!
what is the name of the staff transmog ? its really sick!
2:30: Why open with scorch instead of Frostfire Bolt? FFB does more damage and has a GCD-level cast time.
Yo dude srry i'm new to mage, any chances u do a full AOE rotation guide for frost FF and fire FF ? Love your content
Never understood fire mage as much as i wanted to , and i sitll don't :(. This guide seems way to advanced , even if i paused , rewinded back and re watched , still ! like what is that SKB you keep saying?
how do you get the display of your chracter and gear at the start of the video ?
Cant keep up with all these mage changes already this season. Seems every week need to learn a new rotation.
Really wish you would put a order of operations on the side of the video like Kalamazi does in his. No offense, but listening to everything you are saying as you have a cast sequence gets lost on the public.
I appreciate all of your hard work truly, but time stamps would make the video perfect
been playing wow for 3 months and i love mage. im 2300 io and only play arcane. i swear learning the other specs is hard
Try frost and next reset, fire you'll love it i'm sure
@@Nhouyengah i like frost in aoe but am completely lost in ST. im trying this frost fire st rotation just like he does and cant even break a mil dps
@@Xivuarath-p4o Im same, i can get my head around this rotation at all. ive managed to get a comfy 2700io just using spellslinger arcane. Feel like im having to learn a new rotation every week.
@@DanPlaysGames17 me too it sucks
In execute phase and outside of comb, we still only use instant casts? And keep scorch buff up. Or use scorch+pf for example
I need a degree to manage this!
Great work mate thanks for the guide. Quick question do u use flame strike in full aoe build? Im confused because u drop majesty of the phoenix but keep quick flame. Cheers!
Come on Preheat, tell me how you got that backpack thingie. Which toy is that?
Also wanting to know
look this up: "WoW Transmog Guide: Water Jetpack"
Is there a simple opener for us dummies?
Ahhh SKB, it's been too long, my old friend. Its time you rejoin your brother in Icy Foes.😂
when a new updated guide and complete :P plz
Great video as always, i may have missed but do you use meteor outside of combustion if it is off cd?
Are the mage changes active now?
how is fire in terms of difficulty compared to other mage specs ?
Just a small question, wouldn't you put Phoenix flames as a higher prio any time your Tier procs to activate the 6% spell dmg buff? As Fire I pretty much always just send a PF when Tier procs
Feels rough coming from arcane to frost now learning fire! the technicality of the spec feels worlds apart from the other two! I find I’m having trouble getting decent overall numbers with fire!
with arc I’m about 1.mill, frost is about 1.3 and 800 with fire. I’m 623 ilvl.
Should I not be flame striking below 5 targets? I know ignite does a majority of the dmg with 3 or less targets
for 14+ keys, why do you recommend SKB over inferno? What % of difference will they be for a run?
wouldnt you want to consume empFFB before pressing combust and then use Excess Frost PF and then press empFFB again from combust?
Hardcasting Pyro and other timer WA ist not working for me can u update this with correct spellids?
where this transmog coming from ?
2nd, thanks for pumping this out !
what will be the go to for m+ now? sunfury or frostfire?
Please can you tell me if AOE rotation is the same as single target ? do i just have to replace pyro by flamestrike ??
And what about frost frostfire?
What transmog is that fire staff? It's PERFECT for Fire Mage!
It's one of the Legion artifact appearences for Frost Mage. Either the secret one or Mage Tower Challenge one, I believe.
what's that cape transmog?
Can ignite build compete after the pyro buffs? I hate FS playstyle
we are on court mythic and i guess Sunfury with Unleshed Inferno ist better ? cuz short window with dmg bonus on court works better then with skb?
YAY
Have you by any chance some aoe sims maybe?
So is this better than sunfury?
man i got 620 ilvl 32% haste and good crit still i doin zero dmg. I am foloowing this opener and got good reaction to spam etc
doin like max 800
I just found out about the new update .. why did they have too do arcane so dirty this expansion.. it was perfect where it was at
3rd, can’t lie I was waiting for this.
Preheat , if i want to play FF vs brood progress what build i should use please ?
Builds are on the raid page. For mythic add aoe so imo use the M+ prio damage build that has living bomb. I could see flamestrike being useful to but it depends on how much aoe you need.
@@Preheat goit ty , so the more aoe i need the more FS build is good ? and did these changes out on EU ?
What is the Name of the addon at the start of the Video?
That addon is called Narcissus
How come SKB is the go to now with this spec and not Inferno?
Probably cause soms say skb is more dps
@@warnerbouma5475 That semi answered the question. I do respect that SKB sims more, I don't know if it does but let's say it does. but why does it SIM more. There's no logic in going SKB instead of Inferno if inferno sims higher for literally ANY shape of fire spec of any kind.
your list on BIS gear still shows queen ring as BIS for fire.
and your RAID BIS gear stil does not.
that ring is no longer bis at all, but keep in mind its not "raid bis" its bis from ONLY raid gear.
@@Preheat you're welcome
Which throws out more dps, Frostfire or Sunfury?
Pretty sure frostfire better now after huge buff meanwhile there’s no change on the sunfury. You can still play sunfury which has easier rotation which I also prefer to play with ( and love that lil phoenix)
So is frostfire better than sunfury now ?
Yep
At what % haste is scorch too fast again?
if scorch cast is faster than .75 seconds. I believe its ~103% haste
Gotta say it's a bit tiring to re-learn mage specs every 3 weeks. Even if you're used to the specs generally, the gear is different, CD management in dungeons is different. Damage profiles etc. Would be cool to stick to one spec for a few months at least.
Better than sunfury now or no?
Yep
Played it on two bosses, this herotalent/ spec loadout can go f itself. The amount of buffs/ cd tracking with a shit ton of cdr in the mix is 10 times worse than fire was in Abberus, god forbid how complex this will be to play with mechagon bracers next season and a new tier set
skb resident sleeper
ice floes nice joke you would have to pry shimmer from my cold dead hands before i use ice floes
I was the same way. But the ability to hardcast pyro and move where I want to move is goated. Also blink stun is just way too good about getting me out of stuns and roots. Ice floes goated
Not a fan of preheats video guides. For some reason he explains everything so much better on the wowhead guides.
Are the stats on wowhead still the same?????? how is haste vers?
why do they matter? sim your gear and it will tell you best stats for you.
Doing rotation properly is more important than secondary stats
Haste >>>> verse>=mastery but verse sims second highest in most cases. Sim it yourself if you dont believe it
I feel like the spec is still way way way behind frost overall :/
Bruh, you need a damn PHd to play fire mage properly LOL
Kinda sad that fire meta is moving away from flamestrike build tbh... i hate the pyroblast ignitespread...
The spec is absolutely shit in m+, has no burst and only steady damage . Good for bloodhound (pad) , broodkeeper (pad) ,silken court (CD on every AMP phase)
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Thank you for the guide!
I just found out about the new update .. why did they have too do arcane so dirty this expansion.. it was perfect where it was at