Homer Simpson is the Worst Nuclear Technician Ever
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The Simpsons may in fact be the most influential depiction of the nuclear industry in media and...it's so, so wrong. D'oh!
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My high school teacher, way back in the 1990s, said that Homer Simpson would be single handedly responsible for preventing Americans from considering nuclear power as a solution to our fossil fuel problems.
Wow that's borderline prophetic and depressingly accurate. There is such a skewed perception of nuclear power in the general populace reinforced by media.
@@kylepessell1350 Yet the real issue today is less the public aversion (which is moderating) and instead the very high price.
Homer and that guy that melted down Chernobyl
The Simpsons does serve as a reminder that without strictly observed and enforced safety and waste disposal regulations, the nuclear industry is as vulnerable to corruption and mismanagement as every other.
I'd argue that The Simpsons has forced the nuclear industry to hold itself to a much higher standard, and that that's a good thing.
@@UncleKennysPlace There's still a lot of public aversion. The price is increased due to all the bullshit that the Nuclear industry has to deal with. From lawsuits being filed against construction, to antinuclear pickets blocking access to construction sites, to actual over-regulation... China builds reactors for like 5-6B a piece and in 5 years or so. The West struggles because of all the "renewables" lobby and from fossil fuel lobbyists that keep funding antinuclear groups. As well as not sticking to one design to build a load of Nuclear power plants like the French did in the 70's.
I'm pretty sure that it is confirmed or at least heavily implied that Homer is effectively immune to radiation in the episode Homer Goes to College where he causes a meltdown in the classroom. As he is leaving the hall, completely glowing green from the radiation that others are fleeing from in terror, he crosses paths with a couple of nuclear clean up techs who greet him pleasantly by name. Clearly, he has been through this a few times over and it's not a big deal for him.
Isn't there also an episode we're Homer becomes obese and plugs a nuclear leak with his body? It's been a long time since I've been able to watch so I could be wrong.
@@mikeb3478 yep "I think its ironic that a slender man would have fallen to his death" "I think its ironic that for once dad's butt prevented the release of toxic gas"
@@andrewdemarco3512 that was very funny.
In real life it is actually possible to be immune to radiation. There's a type of organism called radiotrophs which use radiation the way plants use sunlight and are also protected from its harmful effects. There have been cases of bacteria found in deep mines, but more recently there were discoveries of fungi growing in nuclear waste sites feeding on the radiation. Because the mechanism is modified melanin, and because humans have melanin, it is technically possible for a human to have a mutation in their melanin that would allow them to feed on radiation and not be harmed by it. Of course, I would expect a darker-skinned individual to have more melanin and therefore be more safe.
@@mikeb3478 There's also an episode where he causes a nuclear meltdown in a reactor simulator without fissible material in it, he turns green glowing just like the truck as it melts into the ground then shakes it off and goes on his way.
Homer is actually the nuclear safety inspector, not a simple technician, which makes everything more scary.
At the very start of the Simpsons he actually was a technician, then he got fired, then in one episode after he was fired he leads a public campaign against the unsafe power plant, resulting in Burns effectivly silencing him and simulatneously placating the hoardes outside by making Homer the new safety officer. So yeah, in the original credit sequence he's in his original role as technician.
Well, he is WHS... Not Operation.
He's also able to cause a nuclear meltdown in a test vehicle without any radioactive elements
@@tomlxyz Very well. It's time for your bribe.
Now, you can either have the washer and dryer where the lovely Smithers is standing... or you can trade it all in for what's in this box.
"But there isn't any ANY key!!"
Mr. Burns actually keeps homer as his safety guy because he knows how terrible he is and doesn't want a competent safety tech that would force to shut him down.
The other possibility is there is ZERO radiation.
The Caution sign has lights on the right side, which would imply its alarmed or flashing warning sign, for the event of radiation is detected in that sector. Since it is not flashing and there are no Klaxon sounding alarms blaring out "CAUTION", there is the possibility there is no radiation in the room... because maybe its a training exercise at work and that is a glow stick.
Why is a Safety Inspector doing a training exercise of a technician in the first place.
@AWACSブラックいサメ Wouldn't he just cut the training program in the first place then? Those glow stick don't grow inside nuclear power plants.
Um actually, he wasn’t the safety inspector at the beginning
Emergency response training, Safety drills, equipment checks... lots of reasons. High risk jobs would have a lot of drills and training, especially if it can be minutes for a total disaster or death to occur if it was real radiation or plant failure everyone would need the train.
@@darkzide1178 Homer becomes the safety inspector in the first episode, and that intro is from before that. His flawless handling of nuclear safety is what gets him the job in the first place.
My gut reaction was to think "no, I don't think the Simpsons have harmed the view of nuclear energy that much" but then I remembered that one of the very popular tropes of the Simpsons is the 3 eyed fish (because nuclear radiation) and in my experience, throughout my life when people think about nuclear plants and the animals around them, the 3 eyed fish always comes into the conversation. So yeah, it would be nice to see a study but I guess it's very reasonable to think that a show as popular as The Simpsons, has influenced people's views on nuclear power in a negative way mostly.
Pfft, three-eyed fish? Nature's evolved weirder all on its own.
@@LexYeen yup, that's true and there are weirder mutations in fully developed animals but a lot of people seem to relate those mutations with nuclear waste (which potentially can be a factor to trigger mutations but it's not something that happens too often or I would say very rarely)
Someone should tell them it's a comedy sitcom not a documentary lol
@@blockstacker5614 The people who believe the Simpsons to be a documentary on nuclear energy also tend to be ones who believe the Flintstones to be a documentary on prehistoric life.
@@DavidRichardson153 in other words the general public. scary.
Yes, but considering the fact that Homer has lived for several decades now we can all safely conclude that Homer was simply handling a glow sticks.
Well, his children clearly mutated in some way then, since they didnt grow up...
Nah, they were Tritium vials
That would just make me wonder why glow sticks are there of all places
@@williamcox632Homer has just been messing around with his coworkers
Tritium glow sticks, of course!
The exposure calculated in this video only takes into account the time he actually spends in his car.
But there is still a long way for Homer to go, from his workplace inside the facilities, probably through several gates and out to the parking lot, before he even reaches his car.
He's also shown to almost always get a terrible parking spot. Since he's often late.
Which further makes you wonder how many radiation detectors throughout the plant are inoperative due to Mr. Burns refusing to pay for repairs...
"Drop and run" sounds like it would be a joke label on the Simpsons. The fact that this is deadly serious makes this material utterly terrifying.
Though in Homer's defense in throwing it out the window, wouldn't that be _exactly what your reaction should be_ if you found a Cobalt-60 rod down your shirt??
Honestly call in a broken arrow and lay down in a lead coffin would probably be a more appropriate reaction.
I mean yeah but I'd dump that shit near the factory, let burns sort it out
man reading that's heart dropping like damn
now imagine your translating alien text and that come up
are first meeting with aliens is with space radiation regulatory commission as they pick up the hazardous waste that was dumped on our planet illegally
@@kellynolen498 reminds me somewhat of those nuclear waste facilities they spent millions on making sure if all languages die and it's dug up 50,000 years later by primitives they'd know not to fuck with it. Kind've a waste of time. The egyptians put the same warning on opening tombs, and we could read them, and we still open those things. You know that warning is dead seriouse, and you don't think you know better than the guy who put it there, it's so hard to convey such things.
@@MrSquishles I regularly ask pupils what the icon of a hand with a red cross over it and wiggly lines coming up from the container, means.
Scarily, most of them don't know, despite it supposed to being bloody obvious (wiggly lines signifying heat, and the hand on the cap with a red cross meaning _don't open when hot)._
You forgot walking/running time to his car, getting out of a controlled parking lot… he was dead before noticing the rod in his shirt.
Repeated exposure probably explains his odd proportions outlined by Mythbusters wrecking ball recreation. I would say the extreme radioactive waste exposure of the whole town experiencing him randomly chucking it out the window is why everyone has mutated radiation blocking yellow skin.
Yeah I'm surprised he left out the matter of leaving the plant and getting to his car
Also time to take off the rest of his protective gear and any clocking out he needed to do. But we don't know at what point on his commute he get rid of the rod.
he would drop unconscious before leaving the plant. 1 meter vs 1mm is a gigantic factor in the equation. The cobalt rod is like a sun, like it's sending rays in all directions, the closer you get, the more 'degrees of the circle' your body covers, so you end up escalating from ~2% of the emitted radiation to ~50%+.
Crap i just posted the same comment, you beat me to it. Kudos!
You left out the part where he went to a room to remove his radiation suit with the rod stuck to himself, and, after removing said suit, somehow managed to get the rod stuck to himself again...
Using The Simpsons to learn about nuclear power is like using Star Wars to learn about space.
The dumbing down of America is real, no joke...
@@carlsaganlives6086 A nation of Homers
Certainly didn't stop anyone from saying the lunar lander looked too low tech to be real
Well, a large chunk of people believe the Simpsons predict future events.
Even though their predictions can easily be debunked, these folks will refuse to believe they are wrong.
I'm surprised Kyle calculated for Homer taking the glowstick home, but not for where he tossed it out the window. In that segment, the pov follows the glowstick out the window and we see it land by Moe's Tavern before the pov shifts focus to Bart skateboarding home from school. So really, the calculations should be from the facility to Moe's Tavern, not facility to Homer's home.
That said, we're also skipping over all the time it would take Homer to actually leave the facility, get into his car, and get out of the parking, so... maybe the ballpark calculations balance out?
Also, imagine working a mere 5 minute drive from home.
Ps. Yes, I know, it's supposedly Cobalt-60 and not a glowstick, but let me be a little silly.
I absolutely refuse to work more than 10 minutes from home. So I know it.
It has an in series explaination. The rod is a recurring "character" in the show. It's "inanimate carbon rod". It is even shown in an episode to be an employe of the power plant, who outranks Homer.
I was about to comment this
In rod we trust!
The inanimate carbon rod doesn't glow
@@PenneySounds not even doped with zinc sulfide?
Isn't there an episode where he tastes Plutonium with his finger, the one where he buys a farm
My answer would be that Homer's coworkers are well aware of his complete incompetence. Therefore, being generally competent people have given Homer a series of busy work tasks that have no chance of havoc. The reason why no else is wearing protective gear is that nothing Homer touches is actually radioactive. :)
that would be wild
It is a glowstick
It's just a glowstick
If the show ever decides to explain Homer's incompetence, then they should totally use your explanation, it's great.
Ah, the Elon Musk method. Worked like a charm at Tesla and SpaceX, not so much at Twitter...
Homer is completely safe as the lead paint he ingested as a child makes him naturally shielded from radiation. 😅
I have never thought about it until now, but that would also mean he would have died from lead poisoning YEARS ago
@@moonwalkerangel7008
And he is most certainly dead, centuries ago. Lol.
Thanks for the laugh.
It looks like there were buildings and a full hedge wall when he threw the glowy thing out of his car. So you can probably find more accurate estimates on where on his route he threw it out of the car. As well as the distance that radiation would affect. This has happened irl before with cobalt when a machine that shot radiation at cancer wasn't properly disposed of. And that cobalt was drastically weakened for being like 15 years after the date where it was meant to be replaced for weakening so much.
There should be an episode about the Orphan Source of Springfield.
The rod has "DROP & RUN" on it because it's intended to be shielded inside of a thick lead case inside of a sterilizer machine - that's what cobalt-60 is used for. There's a narrow slit in the lead casing that can be opened and closed mechanically to cast a narrow beam of intense gamma rays on whatever needs to get sterilized (bandages, packaged food, etc.)
If you can even read the writing on that rod, it means somebody has stolen or illegally-acquired a registered machine, cracked it open to get the lead casing out, then cracked open the lead casing to get the rod out. This is unfortunately a common outcome internationally and has killed multiple people (usually the junkyard workers and their families).
It's not THAT common. It's happened only a handful of times in human history.
@chu Harry because GET THE FUCK AWAY OH GOD ITS SUPER RADIOACTIVE
@chu Harry 4:00 He explains the radiation and goes on to give the doses after very short times. Did you actually watch the video?
@chu Harry If you're close enough to read the writing, you're literally being irradiated to death. It only takes 5 minutes, and you won't feel it until it's too late to save you.
@@vejet It has only killed the junkyard workers a handful of times - BUT there have been MANY incidents of these sources getting tossed in with the scrap steel and making the whole batch radioactive when it's melted down. All 1st world scrapyards have radiation detectors now for precisely this reason.
"The intro shows us Homer is the worst Nuclear Technician in history"
lol so does Mr Burns in at least one episode I can think of specifically in Missionary Impossible Burns thinking Bart is Homer yells at Bart and says "you've caused 17 meltdowns in 10 years!" (he also mentions Homer selling Uranium to an enemy state but is only mad he sold it at a discount in true Mr Burns fashion)
there is a theory he was hired just so he could get away with violations easier
Simpson, ey?
Don’t forget about the China Syndromes!
Which episode is that?
Or why everything is weird now in this world
"this isn't just dumb in that homer Simpson kind of way, this is deadly."
You and I have different understandings of Homer.
A little over a week ago I had a dream where I was exposed to a radiography source at work. I work in a chemical plant so radiography is a commonly done process. It really freaked me out because the dream was so real, down to the last detail. It took place during a maintenance outage where a contractor unknowingly picked up a lost source in one of my units and brought it to me. The contractor had picked up something that seemed odd to him and thought it looked important so he decided to turn it in. I just happened to be the first operator he saw, an he strolled over to me.
What happened next brings me to the part that made this nightmare permanently burned into my memory. As he stood next to me he pulled out a short length of braided stainless steel wire with an odd threaded piece on one end and a little metal rod on the other. He handed it to me and as I was looking at it a sense of dread and panic set in as I realized what was in my hand. Instinctively I threw it away from us into a cooling tower basin because a) I didn't want to die and b) I thought the water would help shield others. I had held it for about 7 seconds but it felt like hours watching it flipping in the air on it's way to the cooling tower.
I hit the orange emergency button on my radio, quickly asked the contractor how long he had it on him and let the dispatcher know what is going on. The ambulance picked us up and took us to an evacuation point, from there we traveled to the hospital. The source was Cobalt 60 because the valve being x-rayed was a 1200 pound class API 604 or something like that, so I knew I was going to be messed up from this. The contractor said he had it for a little over 10 minutes, he asked me if he was going to be ok but I couldn't bring myself to tell him he was likely going to die. He saw the truth in my eyes though and he called his wife as tears ran down his face. My face and hand started to feel like a bad sunburn but from the inside out.
It ends with me in the hospital, my hand in bandages and missing 3 fingers along with one eye and a patch of skin on my face. The contractor didn't survive. Not sure of the what or why of my dream but it was terrifying because it is a real danger, although a statistically unlikely one. Maybe it is because I permit radiography jobs in my chemical plant unit, IDK.
Are you sure this was a dream, and not an event that occurred in an alternate timeline seeping into your conciousness?
@@PopcornMax179 that actually sounds pretty cool
Your dreams are astonishingly realistic and detailed. You can even recall specific numbers - amazing. Mine are the symbolic kind, like I'd be carrying some glowing thing around and it would be changing shape, or warping things around it. Your dream might be a warning from your unconscious to keep an eye on the safety procedures.
From what I've read, the theory goes that while we sleep, the subconscious is busy filing away memories, information, and things like that. Making things orderly and sorting so we can find things. While we sleep, we're unconscious, but there's still a little bit of us that's aware of ourselves. Kind of like a single guard left in the building. That little bit of us sometimes gets distracted from "guard duty" to take a look at what the subconscious is doing and, being part of the conscious mind, tries to piece it together into something that makes sense.
So here's my guess: your subconscious was doing some re-filing and re-sorting of memories pertaining to safety drills and what you remember about what happens during radiography accidents. What you imagine would happen during a worst case scenario, that kind of thing. Your conscious mind had a glance at that and thought "Yeah, what would that be like?" and since the visual memory part of your brain was active, it played out like a memory. Dreams are recalled as if they're memories, but they never actually happened.
I asked my mom "How Homer avoided security?", you know every nuclear plant is supposed to have a dosimeter before the exit, my moms answer was "isn't it [the nuclear plant] from Burns?" best answer ever.
As miserly as Mr. Burns is, wouldn't he want to make sure valuable nuclear fuel is being sneaked out of the plant, even accidentally?
@@battlesheep2552 that would imply he was forward thinking and not short term greedy. He probably had dosimeters but wouldn’t pay to change the batteries.
And this I think is what scares people about nuclear power. Not the potential for disaster in a well maintained reactor, but the corporate greed that will not want to pay for proper maintenance...
@@Trekki200 yes, except nuclear plants are under constant control by several public and international agencies.
@@Trekki200 Sure, except nuclear has literally everyone breathing down their throats to make sure they don't mess up. Meanwhile people scream about it in order to replace it with coal (like in Germany), which just kills far more people due to air pollution than the reactor ever would (since it probably would never kill ANYONE)
I have an answer that's perfectly in line with cartoon logic:
Homer's so dumb that he doesn't even know he's dead.
*[CONFUSED ATATATATA]*
If the writers have any sense, Homer will die after Kenshiro tells him how much radiation he's exposed to, and points out that he's already dead - has been for years
The whole show is a dream right before death.
He ran off the cliff but has yet to look down
"If he was so smart then why is he dead"
-Homer, visibly the smartest in the room
This video ultimately lead me down the path of discovering the process of "food irradiation" in which cobalt-60 is used to irradiate food to help keep it fresh for store shelves. At least, cobalt-60 seems to be the element of choice here in my native Canada were we seem to produce...a lot...of it.
I'm not sure whether I should thank you for that discovery Kyle or not.
Lots of reactors up there in Canada
Absolutely love the Simpsons and am a big fan of nuclear energy. Personally I think the problem with nuclear power is people’s lack of understanding and education when it comes to all aspects of nuclear power. Great video thanks for sharing.
i think people's reaction to 3-mile island, Chernobyl and Fukushima are far more responsible for their hesitancy.
@@kruleworld no here in Australia it’s more to do with the scare campaigns run by political parties and greenies who know stuff all about nuclear technology. Just remember we’ve had a nuclear reactor in operation at Lucas Heights since the 50s without incident. You might also want to bare in mind those accidents were caused largely by human error or incompetence or in the case of Fukushima a combination of the tsunami and human error. Think to that at the moment 54 countries who went down the solar and wind path are now rebuilding their nuclear infrastructure or building a nuclear power capability. This country’s biggest problem is to many people have been brainwashed into believing wind and solar will fix everything or have invested heaps in renewables and can’t afford to have the scam fail.
While I'm aware of the "inanimate carbon rod" recurring gag, my realistic presumption of what the glowing rod was that it's a giant tritium phosphorescence vial. Why Homer was wearing PPE around it though, presumably he was trying to look competent around a supervisor.
This is my headcanon now
I love how the options are COBALT-60 SOURCE and tritium glow stick.
@@ChrisD__ *cobalt
@@dashingcatto fixed
A supervisor who is not wearing PPE but is holding his sub in tongs
Gotta love how the calculations show near certain death assuming the rod is 1m away, but no. Homer has it pressed right up against his brainstem for that time frame.
His chances would be better if he'd shoved it up his ass.
Also consider the fact the time estimates are for the journey time FROM the start of the drive to the end of the drive. It didn't calculate the time it took him to clock off, get changed, and get to his car. Maybe he had a chat with the reception before leaving, maybe he had to pop to the toilet before getting in the car etc. But that estimated journey time was definitely longer than the 3 to 5 minute estimates (also lets not forget getting out of the Nuclear plants car park and any traffic)
@@ellid0 Then his prognosis might remain the same. One thing that I've always found weird is the rod ends up on the yellow protective suit at the start, but somehow ends up on his white shirt, without burning a hole through his shirt. How did the rod end up staying on his back after he changed?
Its a bold assumption to say that homer even has a brain. kinda the point of his character/
@@THAT1ZELDAFAN it burned into his skin and melded partially
The only thing that bothered me was that the rod gets stuck to his protective gear, but it’s stuck to his T-shirt in the car, so he takes the gear off, but somehow it still stays stuck to him
To go even nerdier… Homer is wearing a hazmat suit while handling the rod, and when it ends up in his shirt. Time needed to change out of the suit needs factored in. Even the simple disposable bunny suit still takes a minute or two, then there’s the walk to the car. Using Davis-Besse in Ohio as an example, the lots are spaced back a bit. I’d say 10+ minutes in contact is nearly certain.
"This isn't just dumb in the classic 'Homer Simpson' way, this is deadly"
You're betraying a fundamental misunderstanding of the quintessential stupidity of Homer Simpson, here.
let's not forget the multiple cases of PFL where he gets far above lethal dose of radiation, like that pokemon go eppisode where he spends a whole long weekend in inside a working nuclear generator core with no protection.... or when he caused a nuclear meltdown in a non-nuclear simulation...
Yeah. Homer literally caused a meltdown without any nuclear material (not counting himself obviously) in a simulation once.
Frank Grimes learned the hard way just how deadly Homer’s stupidity is
@@shleaumeau7740 good ol' Grimey
He also almost died just by ordering pufferfish
The “drop and run” on the side of the container is legitimately terrifying
To be engraved into the metal of a rod manufactured by man, and not as a joke or prank, yes. Absolutely terrifying.
I work at a facility that handles nuclear material (won't specify which or how) and we have regular RAD drills. All our badges, on the back, spell out the procedure if you find yourself BEHIND the magenta and yellow, or magenta-yellow-black, barriers roping off an active radiation or radiography zone.
Step one is LEAVE. Forget reporting it, forget finding out your risks, forget figuring out how you got in there in the first place. All those are important, but FIRST GET THE H*LL OUT OF THERE!
Step two is to report it properly and stick around for people to come check you, but only once you're on the OUTSIDE of those containment zones.
If you see that on the side of a container, remember the words of Mr. Eric Idle: "It is for laying down and avoiding!"
If you notice, that particular source is dated 1962, and the warning is in English. This means it predates any of the fatal "rogue source in the junkyard" incidents (i.e - Goiania) that occurred overseas, and was likely intended to warn assembly and fabrication workers at the plant it was made in. Without the stamping it would just look like any other metal cylinder and might well be confused for something less lethal if it was mishandled or misplaced during processing.
These sources are never intended to be out of their lead casing once they are sealed in it - they are actuated by operating a shutter on the casing that allows a narrow beam of gamma out and then automatically snaps shut (for fail-safe). Even when they bury them as radioactive waste they don't take the rod out of the casing. The warning might have said "If you can read this, YOU'RE IN DEEP SHIT!"
well, yeah, it's meant to be.
@@Rutherford_Inchworm_III Yes and no, I can read "If you can read this, YOU'RE IN DEEP SHIT!" in a couple seconds. A couple seconds exposure even to a cobalt 60 rod is not going to kill you. Kyle even did the math, it would take 626 seconds(from one meter away) to get a lethal dose of 8 Sv.
Given how smart the writers of the Simpsons and Futurama are, it would not surprise me if it was intended that this rod is Cobalt-60.
The funniest part about all this is that in the new HD theme song, Otto picks up the rod and eats it. He'll be dead within a minute
Just say no to Co-60
Homer would be guaranteed dead long before the 10 minute mark. The original assumption in the absorbed dose constants equation was that the radioactive material was 1 meter away from the body. That material was inches from his skull!
What if its a similar situation between cosmic rays and the solar wind, where Homer's own radiation is prevent the ions from the cobalt of reaching him in the first place. After all that cobalt rod never cause a meltdown in a non nuclear simulator, and Homer as a safety inspector has cause that.
It’s the yellow skin
Worse yet radiation drops off exponentially so the intensity is going to be orders of magnitude higher than the baseline assumptions. Worse still the material is on his god damn spine, best case scenario he’s gonna be permanently paralyzed
Homer isn't getting out of that suit and in his car in 10 minutes
Homer's skull is so thick it really doesn't matter. 😅
It's my belief that the "radioactive green glow" trope comes from 1920's Depression glassware that sometimes contained small amounts of Uranium Oxide, which gives the glass a slight green tinge. When exposed to UV, these pieces fluoresce a brilliant green or yellow.
I think radium watch dials is probably where the bulk of it comes from. But, as he points out that's actually the phosphorus glowing.
@@nate6692 IIRC a lot of radium paints used doped zinc sulfide, which is actually still the same material used to make glow-in-the-dark toys. Rather than having to recharge them every so often, though, the zinc sulfide got a constant source of energy from the radium, ofc.
It's much less a trope than a misconception. That is to say people thought radioactive stuff glowed green before the Simpsons and other TV shows depicted it that way.
During the big radioactivity craze (and until we found out about the dangers of radioactivity), all fluorescent paints used radioactivity to make them glow. Since laypeople tend to not understand and/or omit "little" details, it makes perfect sense that many people then came to think the radioactive material itself was what's glowing green, when it actually just activates phosphorus to glow.
That and radium watch dials and faces
It actually comes from the radium girls, they were around it constantly before it was discovered to be radioactive, and affected them so badly they literally started glowing because it got into thier bone structure.
"Ive never seen something that dangerous that you write 'Drop & Run' on it!"
That actually is a very funny but also very scary quote!
"Homer Simpson is the worst nuclear technician ever"
USSR - "hold my vodka"
The Cobalt casing kind of reminds me of these moments in horror game where you approach towards a writing in the darkness, and it just reads *Run*
I never felt like the point of the Simpsons' depiction was "nuclear power bad", just that Mr. Burns is so corrupt and incompetent that he owns the worst possible power plant in the world, but he has all the power (figuratively and literally as a monopoly on power production) and finds ways to keep it in his hands even though it should be shut down.
No, it was part thought it was also a mix of things. Burns was evil so he owned the "most evil" for of energy and was of course *rolls eyes* a member of the republican party (just ignore the massive skeletons in the democrats closet, you know the party of "the white man". Though I want to be clear the party system is cringe, it turns politics into sports teams with a my team right or wrong mindset and a two party system is the worst form since it's easy for the rich and powerful to just pay off the heads of both parties so they win no matter who's in power. It's just that the idea that republican party is pure evil is a joke given that the democrats have a far, far worse history. ). Don't get me wrong Matt Groening is a comic genius but that doesn't mean he doesn't have some stupid biases.
@@TheRyujinLP pepe pfp try not to insult democrats for 5 seconds challenge (impossible) (100% fail)
@@noyes8882 By pointing out that it's hypocritical to act like the Republicans are evil while ignoring what the democrats have done? I mean, they did. It's fact, period. Not my fault that reality makes you butthurt.
@@TheRyujinLP reality is when bring politics into situation where politics hasn't been mentioned at all
@@TheRyujinLP actually, Mr. Burns was never meant to be republican, this is never mentioned a single time except in a one off gag in like Season 17. Before then, he don’t give a fuck about either side, just working everybody to near death
The scientists involved with the Simpsons were all mathematicians. Remember that everyone involved with the Simpsons at the time were Gen X. Three Mile Island and Chernobyl were recent history to them. They were satirizing the incompetence of Three Mile Island but the show just kept going on and on and on and on with the same tropes.
Ironically, you could argue that the fact that the town and Homer haven’t suffered ill effect from radiation would make people think it’s not so bad and just stuff that makes you glow.
You forgot that in the newer intro after Homer throws the isotope, it lands on Otto's(I think that's how you spell his name) lap, who then in turn eats it
Story time: In middle school i saw a professional math tutor. Turns out his brother was (is?) a writer for The Simpsons (Mike Reiss). As you might expect, this was during the prime of The Simpsons (early to mid 90s) and I was a fan so we discussed it quite a bit. My tutor once told me that Matt Groening was actually invited to tour the San Onofre nuclear facility because of this exact topic. The powers that be there felt that the show was portraying nuclear power in a poor manner and they wanted to show Matt how safe and well run it actually is. As you now know, this didn't change Matt's position that this running gag was a goldmine of material and thus he never stopped.
I feel his reaction is similar to one of a corporate CEO from a recent Veritasium video about leaded gas, who also did not see a reason to give up the lead additive, just because there might be a possibility of it having negative effects.
@@muche6321 I just saw that yesterday actually. It does have some similarities.
Very cool! In the early 2000's Mike Reiss himself visited different college campuses across the country to give funny comedy speeches. I don't know if he still does that or not. In 2004, he gave a comedic speech at Ohio State University, which I was attending at the time. I still have the program booklet, which he autographed for me and drew a picture of Bart's face. I was super stoked, because at the time, I really obsessively watched the Simpsons.
@@hamsterama that's awesome!
I wonder if San Onofre was used as the external reference images for Springfield NPP. The reactors bear a striking resemblance in shape to Units 2 and 3 at San Onofre.
What about him leaving his station, changing from his radiation suit, punching out and going to his car? That’s pushing 10 mins I’m sure….
Exactly this. The transit from work station to running car is not instantaneous.
When you leave your station in a cca area, after taking off your you contaminated ppe you go into a full body radiation scanner with a locked exit. It wont let you through to a clean area without a clean scan. If it was radioactive material the scanner would detect it and health physics people would be there like a shot to decontaminate you, and investigate what happened.
Kind of ripping the fun out a cartoon tho.
@@smd-tech There you go, assuming Burns would install proper safety systems.
That stuff is WAY more expensive than just bribing or blackmailing the infrequent inspector.
@@smd-tech my grandfather worked at an east german uranium mine back during the cold war era, standard procedure dictated that no personal clothing is to be worn inside, you'd go into changing room one, strip naked, move over to changing room 2, put your work clothes on and then you'd go about your work day.
on the way out you would again strip naked in changing room 2, go into a wash room where you are hosed down completely by another person, then you'd be allowed to enter changing room one again to put on your own clothes before you leave.
even in cold war era east germany you weren't leaving a nuclear facility with radioactive material on you, (and that is in a country where you can find lumps of uranium ore in the countryside.)
He did drop it and ran through. Smart guy
Oh my god, his existence is a medical miracle. We need to study his DNA for a solution to space travel!
I have had the privileged of seeing Cherenkov radiation in person at a research reactor. It is a beautiful color and photos cannot really recreate the color. If anyone ever gets the chance to look into a reactor like that I absolutely recommend you go do it. It is like seeing a total solar eclipse, it will be something unreal and you'll always remember it.
Nuclear energy really is the closest thing to otherworldly or ethereal we have in our reality. Cerenkov radiation is gorgeous. Nuclear power sources are basically magic. And nuclear weapons are awesome and terrible.
It really is the closet thing to magic we have. It literally holds reality together if you think about it. It takes a tremendous amount of energy to hold all the mass of the Universe together into what we as humans understand as our reality. And just like magic in most fiction, that power has both incredible progressive potential but also destructive capabilities on a scale nothing else can match. Tell me that isn't magic!
@@kiefershanks4172 The force, well, at least one of them, that binds the universe and the matter within it together.
Perhaps, even probably, these forces are each one facet of the same gem, scintillating through all of time and space. Reflecting and refracting and diffracting all throughout the room of reality and shining a light into the dark at the bottom of everything, illuminating the way for those who care to behold its beauty.
Magic, indeed
power orb batteries are beginning to become a reality
@@kiefershanks4172 electricity: Am I a joke to you? Magnetism: ...
Kyle!! Nuclear Reactor Operator and I&C Technician here (retired). Your commentary on the nuclear industry pretty much spot on Kyle. Well done sir. Thank you for boosting nuke power.
Wow, that's fucking badass. What were some of your duties while at a nuclear power plant.
@@calladus123 I was a certified I&C instructor at a dual 1150MW pair of plants. I was also a qualified I&C Tech (required to keep my instructor quals). I had to spend ~20% of my time in-plant and helped out during refueling overhauls. I also helped design and build a full scale I&C control system (using actual panels from a defunct nuke plant), including nuclear instrumentation, I&C monitoring and controls, data logging, rod control system, emergency black start system, DG pneumatic control system, and a pair of wet trainers. I was a Navy reactor operator / tech on three sub nuke plants as well.
@@WarpFactor999 that's amazing. Thank you for the reply. I'm sorry, but when it comes things like your past like of work, it really just blows my mind. I mean, to me it sounds like you pretty much design a nuclear power plant.
@@calladus123 Never did the design for one, but went through the physics of how to do so in the Navy nuke power school. Tough school. Had ~50% fall out rate, and you had to be in the top 1% of the Navy just to get into the nuke program.
but not like... fusion boosting it. that could be contextually bad. :p
@1:58 you can clearly see Homer's colleague grasping a hoagie sandwich in tongs..... perhaps they were cooking snacks using the green glowing rod as a heat source?
I was kind of hoping for a followup after the explanation of how dangerous the thing Homer is doing is, that explains what it's actually like in real life, why that sort of thing doesn't happen, the safety precautions put in place, et cetera, to assuage the fears that might have been caused by the show.
My sister works with nuclear power stuff, and she says "if Homer can do it, I can do it" and I'm still terrified about that.
I'm impressed that you took the time to do the radioactive exposure math for a man who is clearly in late-stage liver failure and will likely perish in the near future anyway.
I also had a teacher mention the opening scene to The Simpsons. He claimed Homer would have been dead, putting the rod so close to his heart.
I worked with Cobalt-60 a few times back when I did NDT.
We used it to radiograph very thick welds (160 mm) on large diameter (~12 m) pressure vessel rings during construction. After positioning and opening the source and being shielded by about 1 meter of steel in total as well as a starting distance of around 50 meters, we still had to move back an additional couple of hundred meters and put more meters of steel between us and it to get to safe background radiation levels. Compared to the other sources we used (Ir-192 and Se-75) the ability of Co-60 to penetrate through thick slabs of steel is scary AF.
And because of the large diameter and thickness, the calculated exposure time to get a decent image of the weld was around 22 HOURS.
Safe to say we did it at night in the weekend when the site was closed. But, yeah. If you see signs warning of industrial radiographs being taken, stay the eff away.
We found a lot of dead pigeons in that workshop after closing the source and collecting the film...
Wow that's interesting. How is the Co60 transported? How was it kept? Can you describe the mechanism which opened the source? Sorry for the deluge of questions
@@diederikwillems6782
You are on a watch list now, I'm not even joking.
@@emiliosalazar9962 Man, I feel for the person having to watch me. That has got to be the most boring job in the world.
@@diederikwillems6782 dude has his own private FBI agent now
Birds can be bricked by radiation?
Homer: *throws it out of the car*
Evaluation: highly illegal.
Cobalt-60 label: "drop and run"
Evaluation if disregarded: death.
I'm with homer on this one.
Only one problem with that, Homer can't read.
I think the idea is that after yeeting it to kingdom come he should've got out of the car, called 911, and then warded anyone away from getting within 20 meters of the damn thing.
@@vejet yes he can
@@vejet if you look into the lore etc Homer is actually smart. He just acts stupid
@@alansmithee419 20 miles, but yes.
No wonder Homer managed to meltdown the simulator. He was the nuclear material!
I absolutely love your works and all of the nerdy staff that assist in these videos. Thanks for making such entertaining and informative videos
The introduction made me feel things. Deep things. Like fear.
What about a deep hunger for beer and donuts?
@@johnn8223 mmmmm beer...[infamous noise that i cant spell out here]
*Thanks for watching!* Like I said, keep in mind that the ADC's that I used are for *1 meter away*. Grabbing something glowy like that and/or having it in contact with your skin for any amount of time would be so, so much worse. Trust me, the next [HALF-LIFE HISTORY] is about exactly that...
Just wondering but didn't you say the radioactive material from your half life history episode on the Brazilian scrappers was glowing at night in the air. Wouldn't this contradict your opening statement on nuclear material never glowing?
Still love the videos! Just curious
@@ckledzeppelin Wondering the same thing! Did that waste just sparkle?
@@ckledzeppelin I think the message was more that it doesn't glow _green._ Radiation that causes air to ionize and glow produces a blue color, not green.
Agreed...... but how dare you claim Dr. Nick wouldn't be able to save Homer! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think the potential issue of "How long does it take for someone to get out of gear and to their car" should have been calculated - there's a recurring gag where Homer has to park at the back of the (huge) car park, which adds even further to the time.
Also, once he's tossed it into the stormwater drain, does anything notable happen environmentally?
We had aiming or targeting lights as a mortarman in the army, they were radioactive. One set green and one set orange. They did glow like that.
You gotta remember: this show debuted only three years after Chernobyl. Folks were still terrified.
Good point!
It's only grown more terrifying with age now that we have the Chernobyl show from HBO and we can get a good hard look at how horrific that actually was. There is a very short list of people I want to shoot in the face and that poor fireman dying in the hospital is one. No one should be allowed to die like that.
And not too long after Three Mile Island either. It was a hot topic and I understand why they would want to satire the nuclear industry
I'm curious whether there's a significant difference in the perception of nuclear power based off whether folks have seen this show before or not. Cause I've honestly never watched a single episode and never even saw the introduction and I have a pretty positive view of nuclear power... I'm just curious what a study on this would find.
When covid-19 first hit it was referred to as mainly the 'corona virus', people in the us started to link that to the beer- Corona, and were actively avoiding drinking it. So yeh it is probably a significant impact.
It's not just the intro that that could impact you, but the constant exposure to how a nuclear power plant run just for money would cause havoc. I would hope most people take it for what it is, comedy, but it could taint the way you think if you don't think about or understand reality.
Most likely has to do more with mishandled nuclear incidents over the years, and the resulting fallout in the public discourse, pun intended. But, that being said, that intro didn't help and reflected people's views of humans being too flawed to maintain and contain nuclear material in a safe and consistent manner.
The hardest thing to know is why a nuclear reactor is privately own in the first place, besides that, its thanks to the Simpsons that made me feel nuclear energy is pretty safe.
Same here, I've never watched The Simpsons and generally have a positive outlook on Nuclear Power, but also I've just learned a lot about Nuclear stuff from an early age since we have a nuclear reactor near my city.
9:05 I would say Chernobyl has done a lot more harm both physically and informationally then this show has ever done to nuclear power
Don’t mention Fukushima. Or waste Disposal, which after over 7 decades still couldn’t be solved. Or that it’s not “too cheap to meter“ afterall. Or that it is rather likely when you plan any nuclear power projects that you probably won’t get around making business with putins privately founded company Rosatom in one way or another.
@@petergoestohollywood382 why would a country need Russia for nuclear energy…
I mean both where caused by poor leadership and incompetent engineers
To be completely fair there have been very few actual meltdowns at that power plant and Homer has stopped quite a few of them.
The Simpsons, if anything, made nuclear appear harmless: even with incompetent workers and evil management essentially nothing goes ever wrong - except for a three eyed fish.
And Mr. Burns......who looked like he slept on top of the reactor while it was critical.
@@taraswertelecki3786 yet still Mr. Burns is 104 years old
Honestly I watched the Simpsons all the time as an impressionable little kid, and my entire takeaway of the nuclear situation was, "nuclear power is a permanent part of society, so we need to make sure incompetent people are not put in charge of it, and that it does not get mishandled by greedy rich people." Period. That is 100% truth right there. What in the absolute flying turkey is wrong with that? It's important to remember that the Simpsons is largely satirical comedy. I feel like maybe Kyle isn't seeing it that way here?
Nah it has definitely hurt boomers understanding of nuclear
@boudicaa storm You probably wouldn't believe the number of people sarcasm and satire is lost upon. Poe's Law came into existence for a reason.
Kyle Hill dipping his toes into Cartoon TH-cam, ya love to see it
Nice to see when my favorite creators watch my other favorite creators, feels like I'm making a solid choice in my viewing.
and Cities Skylines youtube! lmao
Low standards earn shit content.
Enjoy.
Do I?
@@hend0wski I had to stop watching Cities Skylines TH-cam because they legit ruined the game for me. Not because the content isn't entertaining in its own right or that the community is any better or worse than any other game's community but because unlike a game like New Vegas or Fallout 4, which I'm pretty good at-not quite Many A True Nerd YOLO level but more than capable of easily doing a permadeath run without serious danger-CSYT just made me feel inadequate to a degree of "what's the point of me even playing because my cities are such garbage?"
8:06 Adding a new meaning to "couch gag."
Dont forget he takes off his hazmat suit and walks out the door. Soo imma say a 2min walk added.
It’s crazy that writing “Drop and Run” on something, instantly would get across to anyone that something is extremely dangerous.
It should read "You're already dead"
It's a simple set of instructions, almost comical, but to see it stamped on a metal cyllinder is a little more direct.
Dumbass me would be holding on to it with bare hands just staring at it. "I wonder what they mean by that? Can it explode if I drop it, so I have to run?"
Tbh I had "Stop, Drop and Roll" drilled into my brain so much as a kid that seeing a similar-but-different warning phrase like that would break my brain, and I'd just be standing there holding it until I was beyond saving. Skull and crossbones symbol would be more effective imo and also transcend language barriers. Not sure if the radiation symbol would be universally recognized or if small kids would know what it meant.
@@boudicaastorm4540 I don’t think it’s intended for kids to read that message as well as it probably shouldn’t leave the country.
Probably more for engineers, technicians construction teams that do maintenance in power plants or decommission them. They know where they are and they most likely know what it means when they read the instruction
I used to watch a lot of Simpsons and yet my dream job is now nuclear power engineer, even despite my home country having no generators
Homer and the plant in general were (to me at least) obvious parody of the absolute worst case scenario. If everyone at every level of management was incompetent and despite ALL of this the plant still runs fine most episodes.
Compare this to Frasier or Doctor Katz, the combination of which managed to put me off continuing to study psychology (I love Frasier though, I still watch it regularly)
Yeah, it actually have to be build supersafe, otherwise Springfield would be a second Chernobyl. There literaly isn't anyone competent working at the nuclear powerplant, except Smithers, which arguably doesn't really work there.
@@Ditidos the one smart employee electrocuted himself.
@@gourdguru on purpose?
@@Ditidos Which is kind of the point with nuclear power, isn't it. It's the same with air travel - the potential for harm is so great that there are failsafes _for failsafes_ built right into the design. In order to have a disaster, it must be brought about by compounding factors coming together in very specific ways. Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, Fukushima - there was no single cause for any of these, and it should be noted that - for all of the danger this technology represents - we've only had _three_ major events (only one of which could be considered to have happened during "normal" operation) on the civilian side.
0:42 I just LOVE this ‘worst nuclear technician EVER’ reference to the comic book guy! Well done Kyle
Another thing to think about is the time it takes him to get out of work, clock out, get outside, walk to his car, start the thing, and THEN get home. He absolutely hits at least seven minutes of exposure with those factors added in
Having seen the full intro a few hundred times, I know that Homer does throw the rod out at least a few blocks before he arrives at home. It lands in a gutter just as Bart skates past. In reality, he still have probably been in contact with it for about half the trip home, plus the time it took him to change out of the safety suit and walk out to his car in the parking lot. 😬
'Worst Technician Ever' sounds like an award Homer could aquire 🤗👍
In reality he'd have a Darwin award.
He can put it next to his award for outstanding achievement in the area of excellence.
Well it will be hard since he is a safety inspector and not a technician.
I recall an episode where Homer saved the reactor from a meltdown by pressing the "mo" button. As in "eeny-meeny-miney-mo"
@@MonkeyJedi99 Like an Aced Safety Inspector he is, the same way he cause a nuclear meltdown in a non-nuclear simulator.
I absolutely appreciate all the science that went into this video. This is hilarious and informative and is such a great idea for a video.
That "ever" at the beginning was subtle yet effective
This does make me mildly curious how many times homer's diet and eating methods should have gotten him killed, but that would be even harder to calculate as his is particularly unconstrained by anatomy and physics there.
Homer might not have died yet he would likely have developed a number of health issues such as diabetes, high blood pressure, liver failure etc.that would require a lifestyle change or definitely would lead to his death
I mean, no human body should even be able to handle as many calories as he ingests, let alone how he swallows plus size donuts whole without choking.
Strangely, the creators have put a lot of thought into the actual physical properties around Springfield, including Homer. Of course, they will happily bend and break physics whenever needed for a laugh.
"I've compacted five pounds of spaghetti into a snack bar." *Eats the snack bar.*
*Picks up the phone.* "Hospital please."
@@Valreg One time he drank lard to get fatter on purpose
In “The Sims 2” for the Nintendo DS, you also have to pick up “fuel rods” (its very different to any other sims title) wich look exactly like the piece of Cobalt-60 homer is handling. Just 2x-4x longer
Those are also in The Sims Bustin' Out on GBA. Along with three-eared mice and the velocirooster.
That's a lot of rad sickness
+>therac-25
I appreciate that you list your assumptions. So many TH-cam channels just throw out numbers they came up with as facts with little to no explanation.
I thought you were going to talk about how bad at his job he is. I mean the man single handily manages the core, with no training whatsoever, nearly causes a meltdown (several times if I remember correctly), sleeps on the job, and on top of all that eats massive amounts of donuts over the control panel, probable leaving it full of crumbs, sprinkles, and frosting that will jam the buttons. But this, this is much much worse...
I remember watching it with my dad as a kid and him being a nuclear engineer saying "homer is probably dead and just reliving his life in his mind through the series." Now I actually understand why. Also sidenote I watched this video right after I got off of my conversation with Dr. Prescod on better health. Thank you for telling people that therapy is an option and I just started it myself.
Homer surviving long enough to get home makes this even worse. Imagine the danger he put his family and the rest of the town in with his prolonged exposure and travel time. This could easily be worse than the Goiânia cesium incident.
The Springfield Cobalt 60 incident and the most radioactive man in whole history
Nice conversion and application. Thank you.
I appreciate you wearing a Simpson-yellow shirt for this one 😊
Obviously homer is built different. My dad used to laugh at this part every time. Literally the only cartoon he watched with me. It was a brand new show then. Good times.
its cool that your dad watched with you
@@zpydd_ he was a good dude no doubt.
The only cartoon my dad would watch with me too.
Careful, Kyle: bringing this level of logic and reasoning into the show could lead you to ending up like Frank Grimes
Or "Grimey" as he liked to be called.
@@lesalbro8880 He taught us that a man can triumph over adversity.
Or that guy with the Genius at Work shirt
Smithers who was that corpse?
It was quite overtly anti-nuclear. Plus, Groening was fascinated with glowing things and tentacles.
and the scary part is cobalt 60 is nowhere near the most radioactive element...
Now im curious as to what would happen to a rod of cobalt 60's surroundings if it was just left out in the open at the side of the road
Look up some orphan source incidents like Samut Prakan. Scary stuff.
Look up the Goiânia Incident -- very dangerous stuff.
some pharmaceutics here in El Salvador kinda answer that
Some Indian scrapyard dude will put it in his pocket and then show it to his colleagues. This happened at least three times now.
Ciudad Juárez in the 80's, irradiated material got to new mexico and was found by accident
Honestly Kyle, you are the type that will get younger generations into science by using facts and humor. I'm excited just to see how many people you influence.
Agreed, he’s like the new and updated bill nye the science guy, and I mean that as a compliment. Bill nye made science fun for me in the 90s
Fun fact, Walmart has a compactor in the back, they updated the safety sticker on it, under the “unknown/hazardous material” section, there is the radiation symbol, implying Walmart does sell nuclear elements, but will not dispose of them via a compactor
Technically he did follow the instructions when he found the rod
I always thought that radiation was a green glowing thing because of The Simpsons, and i also thought that it could make you mutate in some way like when Smithers and Burns hid the barrels of radioacive material inside of a tree and this ended with tentacles and a squirrel who could shot lasers from its eyes.
So yes, The Simpsons kinda created a concept of what was radioactive material, at least for me
Marvel comics, specifically I'm thinking of the radioactive spider that bit Peter Parker, predate the Simpsons.
@@samadriel i think its go before that from radium product that will glow green so people starting to associate radiation whit green glow
It mutates people into corpses
This turned into an episode of Film Theory incredibly quick. Just to be clear, I'm very glad with this turn of events.
Love the depth of springefield. Appreciate the nerdy Kyle
“The most radioactive man in history” is a set of words I just heard
Glowing green no, but I believe there was a case of a blue "glowing" material that more or less contaminated a city, after a local junkyard worker got his hands on an old x-ray machine. I'd live to know more about such things.
he made a video on it in his Half Life series. Surprised he didn't mention it myself.
The blue glow is of the Cherenkov Effect, apparently seen in underwater nuclear reactors
The case is the Goiânia accident of Brazil, which is indeed thought to have a case of Cherenkov effect, if I remember right
The Goiana(sp?) incident I think
@@cuttlefishfan they fr named the accident after the city
source: im brazilian
That was the Goiânia accident, and the material in question was Caesium, more specifically the isotope Caesium-137.
There's s couple of very detailed videos on TH-cam explaining the whole incident.
It takes easily 10 mins to get changed and to your car at any industrial site.
Question, at 8:11 the chances of death is linear to Sieverts, is there actually a linear relationship? Intuitively it feels like 2Sv to 4Sv wouldn't be a 2x chance of death and that 2Sv would already be high, just that 4Sv is higher
The most disturbing thing about this is that he takes his car to work for 1,4 miles.
I'm pretty certain the popular perception of the green glow comes from a paint of radium mixed with zinc sulphide, which were applied to the hands of clocks and watches for night. Strikes me if the glow is noticeable in daylight, it's so radioactive, you should drop and run, then scrub the dead skin layer off your hands.
I mean I have an old radium dial watch and it is visibly glowing in daylight. But since it's contained in the watch case it's harmless.
@@nubreed13 bestie...