Homer Simpson is the Worst Nuclear Technician Ever
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The Simpsons may in fact be the most influential depiction of the nuclear industry in media and...it's so, so wrong. D'oh!
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I'm pretty sure that it is confirmed or at least heavily implied that Homer is effectively immune to radiation in the episode Homer Goes to College where he causes a meltdown in the classroom. As he is leaving the hall, completely glowing green from the radiation that others are fleeing from in terror, he crosses paths with a couple of nuclear clean up techs who greet him pleasantly by name. Clearly, he has been through this a few times over and it's not a big deal for him.
Isn't there also an episode we're Homer becomes obese and plugs a nuclear leak with his body? It's been a long time since I've been able to watch so I could be wrong.
@@mikeb3478 yep "I think its ironic that a slender man would have fallen to his death" "I think its ironic that for once dad's butt prevented the release of toxic gas"
@@andrewdemarco3512 that was very funny.
In real life it is actually possible to be immune to radiation. There's a type of organism called radiotrophs which use radiation the way plants use sunlight and are also protected from its harmful effects. There have been cases of bacteria found in deep mines, but more recently there were discoveries of fungi growing in nuclear waste sites feeding on the radiation. Because the mechanism is modified melanin, and because humans have melanin, it is technically possible for a human to have a mutation in their melanin that would allow them to feed on radiation and not be harmed by it. Of course, I would expect a darker-skinned individual to have more melanin and therefore be more safe.
@@mikeb3478 There's also an episode where he causes a nuclear meltdown in a reactor simulator without fissible material in it, he turns green glowing just like the truck as it melts into the ground then shakes it off and goes on his way.
My high school teacher, way back in the 1990s, said that Homer Simpson would be single handedly responsible for preventing Americans from considering nuclear power as a solution to our fossil fuel problems.
Wow that's borderline prophetic and depressingly accurate. There is such a skewed perception of nuclear power in the general populace reinforced by media.
@@kylepessell1350 Yet the real issue today is less the public aversion (which is moderating) and instead the very high price.
Homer and that guy that melted down Chernobyl
The Simpsons does serve as a reminder that without strictly observed and enforced safety and waste disposal regulations, the nuclear industry is as vulnerable to corruption and mismanagement as every other.
I'd argue that The Simpsons has forced the nuclear industry to hold itself to a much higher standard, and that that's a good thing.
@@UncleKennysPlace There's still a lot of public aversion. The price is increased due to all the bullshit that the Nuclear industry has to deal with. From lawsuits being filed against construction, to antinuclear pickets blocking access to construction sites, to actual over-regulation... China builds reactors for like 5-6B a piece and in 5 years or so. The West struggles because of all the "renewables" lobby and from fossil fuel lobbyists that keep funding antinuclear groups. As well as not sticking to one design to build a load of Nuclear power plants like the French did in the 70's.
You forgot walking/running time to his car, getting out of a controlled parking lot… he was dead before noticing the rod in his shirt.
Repeated exposure probably explains his odd proportions outlined by Mythbusters wrecking ball recreation. I would say the extreme radioactive waste exposure of the whole town experiencing him randomly chucking it out the window is why everyone has mutated radiation blocking yellow skin.
Yeah I'm surprised he left out the matter of leaving the plant and getting to his car
Also time to take off the rest of his protective gear and any clocking out he needed to do. But we don't know at what point on his commute he get rid of the rod.
he would drop unconscious before leaving the plant. 1 meter vs 1mm is a gigantic factor in the equation. The cobalt rod is like a sun, like it's sending rays in all directions, the closer you get, the more 'degrees of the circle' your body covers, so you end up escalating from ~2% of the emitted radiation to ~50%+.
Crap i just posted the same comment, you beat me to it. Kudos!
You left out the part where he went to a room to remove his radiation suit with the rod stuck to himself, and, after removing said suit, somehow managed to get the rod stuck to himself again...
Homer is actually the nuclear safety inspector, not a simple technician, which makes everything more scary.
At the very start of the Simpsons he actually was a technician, then he got fired, then in one episode after he was fired he leads a public campaign against the unsafe power plant, resulting in Burns effectivly silencing him and simulatneously placating the hoardes outside by making Homer the new safety officer. So yeah, in the original credit sequence he's in his original role as technician.
Well, he is WHS... Not Operation.
He's also able to cause a nuclear meltdown in a test vehicle without any radioactive elements
@@tomlxyz Very well. It's time for your bribe.
Now, you can either have the washer and dryer where the lovely Smithers is standing... or you can trade it all in for what's in this box.
"But there isn't any ANY key!!"
"Drop and run" sounds like it would be a joke label on the Simpsons. The fact that this is deadly serious makes this material utterly terrifying.
Though in Homer's defense in throwing it out the window, wouldn't that be _exactly what your reaction should be_ if you found a Cobalt-60 rod down your shirt??
Honestly call in a broken arrow and lay down in a lead coffin would probably be a more appropriate reaction.
I mean yeah but I'd dump that shit near the factory, let burns sort it out
man reading that's heart dropping like damn
now imagine your translating alien text and that come up
are first meeting with aliens is with space radiation regulatory commission as they pick up the hazardous waste that was dumped on our planet illegally
@@kellynolen498 reminds me somewhat of those nuclear waste facilities they spent millions on making sure if all languages die and it's dug up 50,000 years later by primitives they'd know not to fuck with it. Kind've a waste of time. The egyptians put the same warning on opening tombs, and we could read them, and we still open those things. You know that warning is dead seriouse, and you don't think you know better than the guy who put it there, it's so hard to convey such things.
@@MrSquishles I regularly ask pupils what the icon of a hand with a red cross over it and wiggly lines coming up from the container, means.
Scarily, most of them don't know, despite it supposed to being bloody obvious (wiggly lines signifying heat, and the hand on the cap with a red cross meaning _don't open when hot)._
My answer would be that Homer's coworkers are well aware of his complete incompetence. Therefore, being generally competent people have given Homer a series of busy work tasks that have no chance of havoc. The reason why no else is wearing protective gear is that nothing Homer touches is actually radioactive. :)
that would be wild
It is a glowstick
It's just a glowstick
If the show ever decides to explain Homer's incompetence, then they should totally use your explanation, it's great.
Ah, the Elon Musk method. Worked like a charm at Tesla and SpaceX, not so much at Twitter...
"The intro shows us Homer is the worst Nuclear Technician in history"
lol so does Mr Burns in at least one episode I can think of specifically in Missionary Impossible Burns thinking Bart is Homer yells at Bart and says "you've caused 17 meltdowns in 10 years!" (he also mentions Homer selling Uranium to an enemy state but is only mad he sold it at a discount in true Mr Burns fashion)
there is a theory he was hired just so he could get away with violations easier
Simpson, ey?
Don’t forget about the China Syndromes!
Which episode is that?
Or why everything is weird now in this world
The exposure calculated in this video only takes into account the time he actually spends in his car.
But there is still a long way for Homer to go, from his workplace inside the facilities, probably through several gates and out to the parking lot, before he even reaches his car.
He's also shown to almost always get a terrible parking spot. Since he's often late.
Which further makes you wonder how many radiation detectors throughout the plant are inoperative due to Mr. Burns refusing to pay for repairs...
I have an answer that's perfectly in line with cartoon logic:
Homer's so dumb that he doesn't even know he's dead.
*[CONFUSED ATATATATA]*
If the writers have any sense, Homer will die after Kenshiro tells him how much radiation he's exposed to, and points out that he's already dead - has been for years
The whole show is a dream right before death.
He ran off the cliff but has yet to look down
"If he was so smart then why is he dead"
-Homer, visibly the smartest in the room
I asked my mom "How Homer avoided security?", you know every nuclear plant is supposed to have a dosimeter before the exit, my moms answer was "isn't it [the nuclear plant] from Burns?" best answer ever.
As miserly as Mr. Burns is, wouldn't he want to make sure valuable nuclear fuel is being sneaked out of the plant, even accidentally?
@@battlesheep2552 that would imply he was forward thinking and not short term greedy. He probably had dosimeters but wouldn’t pay to change the batteries.
And this I think is what scares people about nuclear power. Not the potential for disaster in a well maintained reactor, but the corporate greed that will not want to pay for proper maintenance...
@@Trekki200 yes, except nuclear plants are under constant control by several public and international agencies.
@@Trekki200 Sure, except nuclear has literally everyone breathing down their throats to make sure they don't mess up. Meanwhile people scream about it in order to replace it with coal (like in Germany), which just kills far more people due to air pollution than the reactor ever would (since it probably would never kill ANYONE)
It has an in series explaination. The rod is a recurring "character" in the show. It's "inanimate carbon rod". It is even shown in an episode to be an employe of the power plant, who outranks Homer.
I was about to comment this
In rod we trust!
The inanimate carbon rod doesn't glow
@@PenneySounds not even doped with zinc sulfide?
Isn't there an episode where he tastes Plutonium with his finger, the one where he buys a farm
Using The Simpsons to learn about nuclear power is like using Star Wars to learn about space.
The dumbing down of America is real, no joke...
@@carlsaganlives6086 A nation of Homers
Certainly didn't stop anyone from saying the lunar lander looked too low tech to be real
Well, a large chunk of people believe the Simpsons predict future events.
Even though their predictions can easily be debunked, these folks will refuse to believe they are wrong.
Gotta love how the calculations show near certain death assuming the rod is 1m away, but no. Homer has it pressed right up against his brainstem for that time frame.
His chances would be better if he'd shoved it up his ass.
Also consider the fact the time estimates are for the journey time FROM the start of the drive to the end of the drive. It didn't calculate the time it took him to clock off, get changed, and get to his car. Maybe he had a chat with the reception before leaving, maybe he had to pop to the toilet before getting in the car etc. But that estimated journey time was definitely longer than the 3 to 5 minute estimates (also lets not forget getting out of the Nuclear plants car park and any traffic)
@@ellid0 Then his prognosis might remain the same. One thing that I've always found weird is the rod ends up on the yellow protective suit at the start, but somehow ends up on his white shirt, without burning a hole through his shirt. How did the rod end up staying on his back after he changed?
Its a bold assumption to say that homer even has a brain. kinda the point of his character/
@@THAT1ZELDAFAN it burned into his skin and melded partially
While I'm aware of the "inanimate carbon rod" recurring gag, my realistic presumption of what the glowing rod was that it's a giant tritium phosphorescence vial. Why Homer was wearing PPE around it though, presumably he was trying to look competent around a supervisor.
This is my headcanon now
I love how the options are COBALT-60 SOURCE and tritium glow stick.
@@ChrisD__ *cobalt
@@dashingcatto fixed
A supervisor who is not wearing PPE but is holding his sub in tongs
"This isn't just dumb in the classic 'Homer Simpson' way, this is deadly"
You're betraying a fundamental misunderstanding of the quintessential stupidity of Homer Simpson, here.
let's not forget the multiple cases of PFL where he gets far above lethal dose of radiation, like that pokemon go eppisode where he spends a whole long weekend in inside a working nuclear generator core with no protection.... or when he caused a nuclear meltdown in a non-nuclear simulation...
Yeah. Homer literally caused a meltdown without any nuclear material (not counting himself obviously) in a simulation once.
Frank Grimes learned the hard way just how deadly Homer’s stupidity is
@@shleaumeau7740 good ol' Grimey
He also almost died just by ordering pufferfish
Homer is completely safe as the lead paint he ingested as a child makes him naturally shielded from radiation. 😅
I have never thought about it until now, but that would also mean he would have died from lead poisoning YEARS ago
@@moonwalkerangel7008
And he is most certainly dead, centuries ago. Lol.
Thanks for the laugh.
The “drop and run” on the side of the container is legitimately terrifying
To be engraved into the metal of a rod manufactured by man, and not as a joke or prank, yes. Absolutely terrifying.
I work at a facility that handles nuclear material (won't specify which or how) and we have regular RAD drills. All our badges, on the back, spell out the procedure if you find yourself BEHIND the magenta and yellow, or magenta-yellow-black, barriers roping off an active radiation or radiography zone.
Step one is LEAVE. Forget reporting it, forget finding out your risks, forget figuring out how you got in there in the first place. All those are important, but FIRST GET THE H*LL OUT OF THERE!
Step two is to report it properly and stick around for people to come check you, but only once you're on the OUTSIDE of those containment zones.
If you see that on the side of a container, remember the words of Mr. Eric Idle: "It is for laying down and avoiding!"
If you notice, that particular source is dated 1962, and the warning is in English. This means it predates any of the fatal "rogue source in the junkyard" incidents (i.e - Goiania) that occurred overseas, and was likely intended to warn assembly and fabrication workers at the plant it was made in. Without the stamping it would just look like any other metal cylinder and might well be confused for something less lethal if it was mishandled or misplaced during processing.
These sources are never intended to be out of their lead casing once they are sealed in it - they are actuated by operating a shutter on the casing that allows a narrow beam of gamma out and then automatically snaps shut (for fail-safe). Even when they bury them as radioactive waste they don't take the rod out of the casing. The warning might have said "If you can read this, YOU'RE IN DEEP SHIT!"
well, yeah, it's meant to be.
@@Rutherford_Inchworm_III Yes and no, I can read "If you can read this, YOU'RE IN DEEP SHIT!" in a couple seconds. A couple seconds exposure even to a cobalt 60 rod is not going to kill you. Kyle even did the math, it would take 626 seconds(from one meter away) to get a lethal dose of 8 Sv.
Story time: In middle school i saw a professional math tutor. Turns out his brother was (is?) a writer for The Simpsons (Mike Reiss). As you might expect, this was during the prime of The Simpsons (early to mid 90s) and I was a fan so we discussed it quite a bit. My tutor once told me that Matt Groening was actually invited to tour the San Onofre nuclear facility because of this exact topic. The powers that be there felt that the show was portraying nuclear power in a poor manner and they wanted to show Matt how safe and well run it actually is. As you now know, this didn't change Matt's position that this running gag was a goldmine of material and thus he never stopped.
I feel his reaction is similar to one of a corporate CEO from a recent Veritasium video about leaded gas, who also did not see a reason to give up the lead additive, just because there might be a possibility of it having negative effects.
@@muche6321 I just saw that yesterday actually. It does have some similarities.
Very cool! In the early 2000's Mike Reiss himself visited different college campuses across the country to give funny comedy speeches. I don't know if he still does that or not. In 2004, he gave a comedic speech at Ohio State University, which I was attending at the time. I still have the program booklet, which he autographed for me and drew a picture of Bart's face. I was super stoked, because at the time, I really obsessively watched the Simpsons.
@@hamsterama that's awesome!
I wonder if San Onofre was used as the external reference images for Springfield NPP. The reactors bear a striking resemblance in shape to Units 2 and 3 at San Onofre.
I never felt like the point of the Simpsons' depiction was "nuclear power bad", just that Mr. Burns is so corrupt and incompetent that he owns the worst possible power plant in the world, but he has all the power (figuratively and literally as a monopoly on power production) and finds ways to keep it in his hands even though it should be shut down.
No, it was part thought it was also a mix of things. Burns was evil so he owned the "most evil" for of energy and was of course *rolls eyes* a member of the republican party (just ignore the massive skeletons in the democrats closet, you know the party of "the white man". Though I want to be clear the party system is cringe, it turns politics into sports teams with a my team right or wrong mindset and a two party system is the worst form since it's easy for the rich and powerful to just pay off the heads of both parties so they win no matter who's in power. It's just that the idea that republican party is pure evil is a joke given that the democrats have a far, far worse history. ). Don't get me wrong Matt Groening is a comic genius but that doesn't mean he doesn't have some stupid biases.
@@TheRyujinLP pepe pfp try not to insult democrats for 5 seconds challenge (impossible) (100% fail)
@@noyes8882 By pointing out that it's hypocritical to act like the Republicans are evil while ignoring what the democrats have done? I mean, they did. It's fact, period. Not my fault that reality makes you butthurt.
@@TheRyujinLP reality is when bring politics into situation where politics hasn't been mentioned at all
@@TheRyujinLP actually, Mr. Burns was never meant to be republican, this is never mentioned a single time except in a one off gag in like Season 17. Before then, he don’t give a fuck about either side, just working everybody to near death
Mr. Burns actually keeps homer as his safety guy because he knows how terrible he is and doesn't want a competent safety tech that would force to shut him down.
The Cobalt casing kind of reminds me of these moments in horror game where you approach towards a writing in the darkness, and it just reads *Run*
What about him leaving his station, changing from his radiation suit, punching out and going to his car? That’s pushing 10 mins I’m sure….
Exactly this. The transit from work station to running car is not instantaneous.
When you leave your station in a cca area, after taking off your you contaminated ppe you go into a full body radiation scanner with a locked exit. It wont let you through to a clean area without a clean scan. If it was radioactive material the scanner would detect it and health physics people would be there like a shot to decontaminate you, and investigate what happened.
Kind of ripping the fun out a cartoon tho.
@@smd-tech There you go, assuming Burns would install proper safety systems.
That stuff is WAY more expensive than just bribing or blackmailing the infrequent inspector.
@@smd-tech my grandfather worked at an east german uranium mine back during the cold war era, standard procedure dictated that no personal clothing is to be worn inside, you'd go into changing room one, strip naked, move over to changing room 2, put your work clothes on and then you'd go about your work day.
on the way out you would again strip naked in changing room 2, go into a wash room where you are hosed down completely by another person, then you'd be allowed to enter changing room one again to put on your own clothes before you leave.
even in cold war era east germany you weren't leaving a nuclear facility with radioactive material on you, (and that is in a country where you can find lumps of uranium ore in the countryside.)
It looks like there were buildings and a full hedge wall when he threw the glowy thing out of his car. So you can probably find more accurate estimates on where on his route he threw it out of the car. As well as the distance that radiation would affect. This has happened irl before with cobalt when a machine that shot radiation at cancer wasn't properly disposed of. And that cobalt was drastically weakened for being like 15 years after the date where it was meant to be replaced for weakening so much.
There should be an episode about the Orphan Source of Springfield.
Homer: *throws it out of the car*
Evaluation: highly illegal.
Cobalt-60 label: "drop and run"
Evaluation if disregarded: death.
I'm with homer on this one.
Only one problem with that, Homer can't read.
I think the idea is that after yeeting it to kingdom come he should've got out of the car, called 911, and then warded anyone away from getting within 20 meters of the damn thing.
@@vejet yes he can
@@vejet if you look into the lore etc Homer is actually smart. He just acts stupid
@@alansmithee419 20 miles, but yes.
My sister works with nuclear power stuff, and she says "if Homer can do it, I can do it" and I'm still terrified about that.
*Thanks for watching!* Like I said, keep in mind that the ADC's that I used are for *1 meter away*. Grabbing something glowy like that and/or having it in contact with your skin for any amount of time would be so, so much worse. Trust me, the next [HALF-LIFE HISTORY] is about exactly that...
Just wondering but didn't you say the radioactive material from your half life history episode on the Brazilian scrappers was glowing at night in the air. Wouldn't this contradict your opening statement on nuclear material never glowing?
Still love the videos! Just curious
@@ckledzeppelin Wondering the same thing! Did that waste just sparkle?
@@ckledzeppelin I think the message was more that it doesn't glow _green._ Radiation that causes air to ionize and glow produces a blue color, not green.
Agreed...... but how dare you claim Dr. Nick wouldn't be able to save Homer! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I'm curious whether there's a significant difference in the perception of nuclear power based off whether folks have seen this show before or not. Cause I've honestly never watched a single episode and never even saw the introduction and I have a pretty positive view of nuclear power... I'm just curious what a study on this would find.
When covid-19 first hit it was referred to as mainly the 'corona virus', people in the us started to link that to the beer- Corona, and were actively avoiding drinking it. So yeh it is probably a significant impact.
It's not just the intro that that could impact you, but the constant exposure to how a nuclear power plant run just for money would cause havoc. I would hope most people take it for what it is, comedy, but it could taint the way you think if you don't think about or understand reality.
Most likely has to do more with mishandled nuclear incidents over the years, and the resulting fallout in the public discourse, pun intended. But, that being said, that intro didn't help and reflected people's views of humans being too flawed to maintain and contain nuclear material in a safe and consistent manner.
The hardest thing to know is why a nuclear reactor is privately own in the first place, besides that, its thanks to the Simpsons that made me feel nuclear energy is pretty safe.
Same here, I've never watched The Simpsons and generally have a positive outlook on Nuclear Power, but also I've just learned a lot about Nuclear stuff from an early age since we have a nuclear reactor near my city.
It’s crazy that writing “Drop and Run” on something, instantly would get across to anyone that something is extremely dangerous.
It should read "You're already dead"
It's a simple set of instructions, almost comical, but to see it stamped on a metal cyllinder is a little more direct.
Dumbass me would be holding on to it with bare hands just staring at it. "I wonder what they mean by that? Can it explode if I drop it, so I have to run?"
Tbh I had "Stop, Drop and Roll" drilled into my brain so much as a kid that seeing a similar-but-different warning phrase like that would break my brain, and I'd just be standing there holding it until I was beyond saving. Skull and crossbones symbol would be more effective imo and also transcend language barriers. Not sure if the radiation symbol would be universally recognized or if small kids would know what it meant.
@@boudicaastorm4540 I don’t think it’s intended for kids to read that message as well as it probably shouldn’t leave the country.
Probably more for engineers, technicians construction teams that do maintenance in power plants or decommission them. They know where they are and they most likely know what it means when they read the instruction
A little over a week ago I had a dream where I was exposed to a radiography source at work. I work in a chemical plant so radiography is a commonly done process. It really freaked me out because the dream was so real, down to the last detail. It took place during a maintenance outage where a contractor unknowingly picked up a lost source in one of my units and brought it to me. The contractor had picked up something that seemed odd to him and thought it looked important so he decided to turn it in. I just happened to be the first operator he saw, an he strolled over to me.
What happened next brings me to the part that made this nightmare permanently burned into my memory. As he stood next to me he pulled out a short length of braided stainless steel wire with an odd threaded piece on one end and a little metal rod on the other. He handed it to me and as I was looking at it a sense of dread and panic set in as I realized what was in my hand. Instinctively I threw it away from us into a cooling tower basin because a) I didn't want to die and b) I thought the water would help shield others. I had held it for about 7 seconds but it felt like hours watching it flipping in the air on it's way to the cooling tower.
I hit the orange emergency button on my radio, quickly asked the contractor how long he had it on him and let the dispatcher know what is going on. The ambulance picked us up and took us to an evacuation point, from there we traveled to the hospital. The source was Cobalt 60 because the valve being x-rayed was a 1200 pound class API 604 or something like that, so I knew I was going to be messed up from this. The contractor said he had it for a little over 10 minutes, he asked me if he was going to be ok but I couldn't bring myself to tell him he was likely going to die. He saw the truth in my eyes though and he called his wife as tears ran down his face. My face and hand started to feel like a bad sunburn but from the inside out.
It ends with me in the hospital, my hand in bandages and missing 3 fingers along with one eye and a patch of skin on my face. The contractor didn't survive. Not sure of the what or why of my dream but it was terrifying because it is a real danger, although a statistically unlikely one. Maybe it is because I permit radiography jobs in my chemical plant unit, IDK.
Are you sure this was a dream, and not an event that occurred in an alternate timeline seeping into your conciousness?
@@PopcornMax179 that actually sounds pretty cool
Your dreams are astonishingly realistic and detailed. You can even recall specific numbers - amazing. Mine are the symbolic kind, like I'd be carrying some glowing thing around and it would be changing shape, or warping things around it. Your dream might be a warning from your unconscious to keep an eye on the safety procedures.
From what I've read, the theory goes that while we sleep, the subconscious is busy filing away memories, information, and things like that. Making things orderly and sorting so we can find things. While we sleep, we're unconscious, but there's still a little bit of us that's aware of ourselves. Kind of like a single guard left in the building. That little bit of us sometimes gets distracted from "guard duty" to take a look at what the subconscious is doing and, being part of the conscious mind, tries to piece it together into something that makes sense.
So here's my guess: your subconscious was doing some re-filing and re-sorting of memories pertaining to safety drills and what you remember about what happens during radiography accidents. What you imagine would happen during a worst case scenario, that kind of thing. Your conscious mind had a glance at that and thought "Yeah, what would that be like?" and since the visual memory part of your brain was active, it played out like a memory. Dreams are recalled as if they're memories, but they never actually happened.
I used to watch a lot of Simpsons and yet my dream job is now nuclear power engineer, even despite my home country having no generators
Homer and the plant in general were (to me at least) obvious parody of the absolute worst case scenario. If everyone at every level of management was incompetent and despite ALL of this the plant still runs fine most episodes.
Compare this to Frasier or Doctor Katz, the combination of which managed to put me off continuing to study psychology (I love Frasier though, I still watch it regularly)
Yeah, it actually have to be build supersafe, otherwise Springfield would be a second Chernobyl. There literaly isn't anyone competent working at the nuclear powerplant, except Smithers, which arguably doesn't really work there.
@@Ditidos the one smart employee electrocuted himself.
@@gourdguru on purpose?
Kyle Hill dipping his toes into Cartoon TH-cam, ya love to see it
Nice to see when my favorite creators watch my other favorite creators, feels like I'm making a solid choice in my viewing.
and Cities Skylines youtube! lmao
Low standards earn shit content.
Enjoy.
Do I?
This does make me mildly curious how many times homer's diet and eating methods should have gotten him killed, but that would be even harder to calculate as his is particularly unconstrained by anatomy and physics there.
Homer might not have died yet he would likely have developed a number of health issues such as diabetes, high blood pressure, liver failure etc.that would require a lifestyle change or definitely would lead to his death
I mean, no human body should even be able to handle as many calories as he ingests, let alone how he swallows plus size donuts whole without choking.
Strangely, the creators have put a lot of thought into the actual physical properties around Springfield, including Homer. Of course, they will happily bend and break physics whenever needed for a laugh.
"I've compacted five pounds of spaghetti into a snack bar." *Eats the snack bar.*
*Picks up the phone.* "Hospital please."
@@Valreg One time he drank lard to get fatter on purpose
"this isn't just dumb in that homer Simpson kind of way, this is deadly."
You and I have different understandings of Homer.
Careful, Kyle: bringing this level of logic and reasoning into the show could lead you to ending up like Frank Grimes
Or "Grimey" as he liked to be called.
@@lesalbro8880 He taught us that a man can triumph over adversity.
Or that guy with the Genius at Work shirt
Smithers who was that corpse?
In “The Sims 2” for the Nintendo DS, you also have to pick up “fuel rods” (its very different to any other sims title) wich look exactly like the piece of Cobalt-60 homer is handling. Just 2x-4x longer
Those are also in The Sims Bustin' Out on GBA. Along with three-eared mice and the velocirooster.
That's a lot of rad sickness
+>therac-25
Absolutely love the Simpsons and am a big fan of nuclear energy. Personally I think the problem with nuclear power is people’s lack of understanding and education when it comes to all aspects of nuclear power. Great video thanks for sharing.
@@kruleworld no here in Australia it’s more to do with the scare campaigns run by political parties and greenies who know stuff all about nuclear technology. Just remember we’ve had a nuclear reactor in operation at Lucas Heights since the 50s without incident. You might also want to bare in mind those accidents were caused largely by human error or incompetence or in the case of Fukushima a combination of the tsunami and human error. Think to that at the moment 54 countries who went down the solar and wind path are now rebuilding their nuclear infrastructure or building a nuclear power capability. This country’s biggest problem is to many people have been brainwashed into believing wind and solar will fix everything or have invested heaps in renewables and can’t afford to have the scam fail.
I'm pretty certain the popular perception of the green glow comes from a paint of radium mixed with zinc sulphide, which were applied to the hands of clocks and watches for night. Strikes me if the glow is noticeable in daylight, it's so radioactive, you should drop and run, then scrub the dead skin layer off your hands.
I mean I have an old radium dial watch and it is visibly glowing in daylight. But since it's contained in the watch case it's harmless.
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This turned into an episode of Film Theory incredibly quick. Just to be clear, I'm very glad with this turn of events.
It takes easily 10 mins to get changed and to your car at any industrial site.
A substance containing Caesium, or other sources that were used in medicine would actually glow in air, according to some nuclear accident reports. So I think, Cherenkov radiation is possible in the air as well
“From where I stood, I could see a huge beam of projected light flooding up into infinity from the reactor. It was like a laser light, caused by the ionisation of the air. It was light bluish, and it was very beautiful.” Alexander Yuvchenko [Ref. reactor on the roofs of adjacent buildings]
One of the survivors of the Chernobyl incident.
Can, but that's HUGE amount of radiation if it happens. That's why the dust in Goiânia glowed in the dark, and people were getting third degree burns and radiation sickness symptoms after a day or so of exposure.
Still, it's blue, not green. Honestly I think the biggest harm the show did was associate green glow with radiation, not blue.
@@colinsmith1495 yeah I've heard it's quite a nice color if not for the accumpaning sickening feeling radiation and burns
This video ultimately lead me down the path of discovering the process of "food irradiation" in which cobalt-60 is used to irradiate food to help keep it fresh for store shelves. At least, cobalt-60 seems to be the element of choice here in my native Canada were we seem to produce...a lot...of it.
I'm not sure whether I should thank you for that discovery Kyle or not.
Lots of reactors up there in Canada
While this had some excellent research behind it, you somehow missed that Homer throws it out outside of Moe's. Which according to that same map is about halfway to his house. Which also means that since we see Moe's from the angle that it is shown, Homer did not drive a straight route home.
I worked for a while a long time ago as a Physics tech in a hospital that had lots of cancer treatment machines, including Cobalt-60 (gamma). The replacement sources came from a nuclear facility and were transported in lead boxes, and moved in and out of the lead containment remotely by a screw jack system.
On one occasion, it got stuck during transit and a guy went in and manually freed it. He lost three fingers on the hand he used soon afterwards. We worked out later that his safe exposure time was measured in milliseconds, as the source was fresh out of the reactor, so “hot”, and he came very close to it. That’s the problem with something you can’t see, hear, smell, etc. as the danger is not physically evident until it’s too late; if the rod had been giving out photons in the visible range rather than gamma the heat and light would have been overwhelming...
Sounds like an interesting application for augmented reality goggles.
You're not wrong, but if you have a sensor for it you can hook it up to a clicker like they have ongeiger counter instead. The buzzing is a pretty well known "back the fuck up!" sound.
I don’t understand the finger part
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He lost fingers because the radiation dose was so high most of the cells in that part of his hand died. Then the dead cells proceeded to necrotize/rot over the next few hours and had to be surgically removed so they didn't poison his blood and kill him via sepsis.
(Probably, I wasn't there, but that's what makes sense to me and my limited understanding of medicine)
@@willb5278 note to self: Don't hold Cobalt-60
The funniest part about all this is that in the new HD theme song, Otto picks up the rod and eats it. He'll be dead within a minute
Just say no to Co-60
Isn't betterhelp that one company that got into a lot of trouble for paying youtubers to lie about "certified" therapists? It wasnt even that long ago but really sad to see Kyle shilling for a terrible company like this
Betterhelp is indeed that one company
And Kyle Hill isn't the first person they convinced to shill for them
gotta get that money by harming the mentally ill and desperate. 🤑🤑🤑
Well theraphy in general
It's a scam
It unfortunately is a scam, like most metal health related stuff.
Glowing green no, but I believe there was a case of a blue "glowing" material that more or less contaminated a city, after a local junkyard worker got his hands on an old x-ray machine. I'd live to know more about such things.
he made a video on it in his Half Life series. Surprised he didn't mention it myself.
The blue glow is of the Cherenkov Effect, apparently seen in underwater nuclear reactors
The case is the Goiânia accident of Brazil, which is indeed thought to have a case of Cherenkov effect, if I remember right
The Goiana(sp?) incident I think
@@cuttlefishfan they fr named the accident after the city
source: im brazilian
That was the Goiânia accident, and the material in question was Caesium, more specifically the isotope Caesium-137.
There's s couple of very detailed videos on TH-cam explaining the whole incident.
"Homer Simpson is the worst nuclear technician ever"
USSR - "hold my vodka"
Really like this episode as I've put some thought into it as well ( Not nearly enough apparently lol ) My thoughts were that the glowing mass could perhaps be a waste product from the plant similar to uranium glass. The glowing would be caused by UV lights used to keep the room, or, nearby rooms containing PPE sterile.
Interesting theory (I have a ton of uranium glass, it's really neat. And a chunk of Trinitite.. we don't talk about the mild gamma emissions). The problem here is that there's absolutely no need for such measures to produce a sterile environment, the x-rays, gamma rays, and beta particles, asking other things, would be more than sufficient. That said, there's no need for such an environment when dealing with nuclear materials. Waste or otherwise. Trust me, no company is going to spend money on that unless it's absolutely necessary.
Why is green-ness associated with uranium if its not actually green?
@@piggynatorcool668 Uranium glass is actually green. At least, all of my family's is green. I'm not sure if it comes in any other colors but I'd bet it does.
@@piggynatorcool668 the green glow is associated with radiation in general, not specifically uranium. The idea of "glowing green" came from the Radium Girls. Well, Radium itself. While it doesn't glow, the phosphor mixed with it did glow green, just like glow in the dark stuff these days. So the public got this idea that radiation had a green glow. It's stuck every since then - over 100 years by now. Ever time it's represented that way it just keeps reenforcing that idea. You can still see similar things to radium dials today. We use tritium with phosphor in some sights, dials, and sensors - tritium being a radioactive isotope of hydrogen. Or promethium. Though these are usually only in military or space applications and significantly safer.
Now radioactive things *can* glow, just not green. Cherenkov radiation, which is blue, is due to particles traveling faster than the speed of light in a medium (water). In rare circumstances alpha particles can excite nitrogen and oxygen in the air causing electron's to jump valence shells and give off a very light blue glow in much the same way a neon light works, or the glow discharge effect. There's also plutonium which glows when in a large enough quantity. It's glow comes from the fact that its literally red hot due to the insane amount of radiation - but also because above a certain mass, it's subcritical. It's literally fissioning in front of you, just slowly.
The Simpson's Hit and Run game shows this exact glowing green bar as a single collectable, it identifies it as a "carbon rod".
1:20 It's still important to note that _extremely_ radioactive sources glow blue from ionizing the air. I mean, you literally covered the Goiania incident, cesium-137 chloride salt was glowing blue in the open air
No, the crystals itself was glowing.
Just like high radiation in water makes WATER glow
Air wont glow.
@@AttiliusRex In reference to the Goiania incident the source cesium 137 was described as having a blue glow and was not under water.
@@jgriego4797 those where crystals. The crystals where glowing. Not the air.
@@jgriego4797 cherkov radiation is caused by charged particles moving faster than the photons in a medium. Thats nearly impossible in air, but happends in heavier elements. If those mediums are transparent then we can see the blue glow
Ugh it's so annoying that Betterhelp managed to just wait for their scandal to blow over, change nothing about their business practices, and get back to sponsoring youtubers. They are allegedly a scam. I know this was a year ago, but sponsorship is frustrating
You forgot that in the newer intro after Homer throws the isotope, it lands on Otto's(I think that's how you spell his name) lap, who then in turn eats it
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He did drop it and ran through. Smart guy
Grimes: (points at Homer) That's the man who's in charge of our safety? It boggles the mind!
Carl: It's best not to think about it.
He’s only a Nuclear Technician in the first couple of seasons for most of the show he’s actually a safety inspector in sector 7-G at the Nuclear Plant
He's a high-school dropout who got his job by showing up ready to work on the day the plant opened. Lenny and Carl have Masters' Degrees, presumably in Nuclear Physics.
@@Rutherford_Inchworm_III I wish getting a job was that easy these days. I've had low-level radiation training (worked on and machined activated components) and I wouldn't mind working with radiation again, I just don't want to be machining anymore.
1:00 Nothing in nuclear power, industry or nuclear as a thing glows green: Radium glows green
Cobalt 60 doesn't glow green remotely. There's also little reason anyone would be handling this material with a pair of tongs in a nuclear reactor so casually.
Tritium, in the presence of a phosphorus compound emits, it can emit green light, which is virtually harmless and often used for things like firearm sights.
This is clearly a tritium vial.
They literally had an episode about that. Where his new coworker gets tired of his slovenly ways, so he starts being Homer. And then he grabs two cables. And...discretion shot.
You're giving the writers/producers of the simpsons WAY too much credit by trying to find something real-life that glowing shard represented. I'm 99% certain the conversation about that went like "Whatever, just make it look like he's holding something nuclear-y and doing it like a dunce"
The Simpson's Hit and Run game shows this exact glowing green bar as a single collectable, it identifies it as a "carbon rod".
The Simpsons contains a lot of nerdy math jokes, tbh, so I wouldn't be surprised if they *have* thought about it
yeah- im sure its just a cartoony representation of a plutonium rod- they didnt care about its accuracy- i bet if you did a poll people would say thats what they thought it was.
You don’t give them enough credit. These ppl are not just idiots making cartoons or you would be doing it!
It's honestly the only exposure of nuclear anything I ever grew up with.
_Nucular... it's pronounced nucular_
@@qrrbrbirbel2 and yet spelled NUCLEAR. Your correction of the OP is irrelevant as his spelling is correct.
The spelling isn't the same as it sounds
@@qrrbrbirbel2 it’s pronounced new-clee-er not “nucular”. Pronouncing it “nucular” just makes you look dumb
I grew up during Chernobyl, so unfortunately I can't say the same.
@@JJsGA dude it's a Simpsons quote -.-
@1:58 you can clearly see Homer's colleague grasping a hoagie sandwich in tongs..... perhaps they were cooking snacks using the green glowing rod as a heat source?
Theory: Homer Simpson is dead. From that first episode onwards we are seeing clones and each time we see a Homer in a serious situation of definate death, the clone dies and gets replaced by a new clone on the next episode. This explains why Homer steadily grew more and more stupid as time passed, because clones are imperfect and are always losing something in the cloning process, and it explains how he got a job at a nuclear power station and fathered a highly intelligent daughter.
The original Homer was probably a smart guy, just a little lazy.
Plot twist, Homer's D.N.A has incredibly robust repair enzymes.
The ultimate joke is that someone like Homer lives long enough to procreate.
I think he is a walking nuclear reactor, its the only explanation why he cause a meltdown in a non-nuclear simulator.
I also had a teacher mention the opening scene to The Simpsons. He claimed Homer would have been dead, putting the rod so close to his heart.
I don’t think people realize how common Cobalt 60 is used in an industrial setting. If you ever see a fancy looking truck with a NDT and a radioactive warning on the side of it driving around it is probably carrying some of that delicious cobalt 60 :) it’s used to do X-ray inspections on welds and batches of metal products.
It's used for much more than that...
0:42 I just LOVE this ‘worst nuclear technician EVER’ reference to the comic book guy! Well done Kyle
1:58 Not only is he not in protective gear but he's using the SAME TOOL Homer uses to handle dangerous whatever it is, to eat a sandwich. 😳
Also we need to give some crap to Mr. Burns. Hands on with a tool like that can't be the fastest way to do things when you're hiring Homer Simpsons as your technicians.
I'd have liked to see a match-up of where/when Homer has thrown out the material. This would mean the actual time has to be (roughly estimated) between 30 seconds and 90 seconds. But only if we are still ignoring the time he must have taken to walk out from work.
Also I would've liked to know just how deadly it is to have that material in hand or at the neck and whether it feels specially hot, gold or different. Because if it doesn't, that means Homer is either used to it or even has some kind of radiation resistance.
Apparently in one episode it kinda confirmed that he was indeed resistant to radiation.
"Closelier" Perfect.
Perfectlier!
I was kind of hoping for a followup after the explanation of how dangerous the thing Homer is doing is, that explains what it's actually like in real life, why that sort of thing doesn't happen, the safety precautions put in place, et cetera, to assuage the fears that might have been caused by the show.
This is fascinating, as is much of the nuclear energy series on this channel. I would also like to point out that this glowing green rod has been acknowledged in the show. In the episode where Homer is taken to space, he rigs the failed door shut with a green rod, that isn’t glowing. The same size and shape as the intro cylinder. They say exactly what this rod is. An INANIMATE CARBON ROD. We can then assume that the glowing rod in the show is an ANIMATE carbon rod. Potentially a lot less dangerous, but still terrible.
9:05 I would say Chernobyl has done a lot more harm both physically and informationally then this show has ever done to nuclear power
Don’t mention Fukushima. Or waste Disposal, which after over 7 decades still couldn’t be solved. Or that it’s not “too cheap to meter“ afterall. Or that it is rather likely when you plan any nuclear power projects that you probably won’t get around making business with putins privately founded company Rosatom in one way or another.
@@petergoestohollywood382 why would a country need Russia for nuclear energy…
I mean both where caused by poor leadership and incompetent engineers
This is a real “D’oh!” Moment.
I never really thought about it but you're right. I already had a bad impression of nuclear power from the Simpsons growing up. You've actually changed my perspective on it.
To be completely fair there have been very few actual meltdowns at that power plant and Homer has stopped quite a few of them.
"For as much legacy as [the Simpsons] has, [it's depiction of nuclear power] is not a great part of it"
Excellent take, and even though I've never watched the show I appreciate how you take this stancw instead of going full "this show is entirely bad because it does this problematic thing".
This is what honest and level-headed critique looks like
you also gotta factor in the time homer would take to get out of the ppe, get his stuff and walk to his car.... he dead for sure, boi
I'm always happy to see someone clearing the name of nuclear power. Nuclear power gets so much bad publicity. Most fears of nuclear power to my knowledge are not founded in logic but more on fear mongering,
Big Oil had nothing to do with that ;)
We had aiming or targeting lights as a mortarman in the army, they were radioactive. One set green and one set orange. They did glow like that.
What's even more terrifying is Homer is the Safety Inspector 🤣
I think a lot of people forget that, and also how he cause a non-nuclear simulator to have a meltdown, meaning he himself is a walking source of high radioactivity.
Has Kyle ever talked about 3 mile island?
I thought you were going to talk about how bad at his job he is. I mean the man single handily manages the core, with no training whatsoever, nearly causes a meltdown (several times if I remember correctly), sleeps on the job, and on top of all that eats massive amounts of donuts over the control panel, probable leaving it full of crumbs, sprinkles, and frosting that will jam the buttons. But this, this is much much worse...
Curious if you calculated the time it would take for an average person to exit a nuclear power plant.
Burns did do a evacuation drill and Homer did come out first.
That would give you your shortest time for an exit of the building.
I remember seeing a video somewhere (I think it was during a video from a channel called Fact Fiend) where the reason Homer always survives things that should kill him is that in the Simpsons, God finds his life funny to watch and so Homer doesn't die. I don't remember the moment myself from the show that would make it canon but I'm fairly confident and am citing my source like a good boy
Im late but if you look at the intro, he gets rid of the "Cobalt 60 rod" in an area with trees that looks like a park... If we look at the map you use, the only area where that matches up is by the bridge. right next to the powerplant.
Radium (used for glowing numbers in clocks long ago) actually glows green. Uranium glass exposed to UV also glows green. The trope came from somewhere.
Also, BetterHelp? After the scandal when they were introduced, I thought no one would touch them woth a ten foot pole, as if they are radioactive.
I'm interested. What was the scandal?
No raduim charges the phosphor that glows, he literally says that in the video.
@@Rubycon99 They launched a massive campaign using lots of TH-camrs as advertisers, and could not provide the service they claimed to, nor were their staff ‘professionals', unfair pricing, people had bad experiences, had paid people writing reviews on them and an atrocious ToS.
@@GrandDawggy Oh, I missed that bit. Noted. Now that you say it, it makes sense for the radium to power something else.
@@mikkohernborg5291 you win the Internet for today being the only person in the entire history of the Internet to ever admit they made a mistake. 👍
Fun fact, Walmart has a compactor in the back, they updated the safety sticker on it, under the “unknown/hazardous material” section, there is the radiation symbol, implying Walmart does sell nuclear elements, but will not dispose of them via a compactor
I did a degree in nuclear physics and usually think of Cobalt-60 as an unintentional byproduct that makes decommissioning power plants significantly harder. Hadn't previously thought about why people might intentionally make the stuff ^^"
"Curie a measure we haven't talked about" - because seeing full numbers of that is something you should never experience in your life.
Its nearly as absurd as seeing full numbers of Teslas in the wild (outside an MRT machine or so)
I live near some affluent neighborhoods and I see several Teslas _every day._
Should I be worried?
Honestly I think it would be interesting to see an episode on the chemical reactions that make tritium gun sights work.
It’s just tritium radiation exciting a phosphor.
Question, at 8:11 the chances of death is linear to Sieverts, is there actually a linear relationship? Intuitively it feels like 2Sv to 4Sv wouldn't be a 2x chance of death and that 2Sv would already be high, just that 4Sv is higher
My friend who is a big Simspons fan has a theory that every single episode is just what's happening in Homer's head as he lays in a coma.
Which is why after 30 years, everyone is the same age.
You the man, Kyle! Also, RIP Homer's "swimmers" LOL... (they all have X's for eyes lol)... And yes its a shame Simpsons have almost certainly negatively impacted public opinion of nuclear power...
I'm pretty sure they say homer is sterile bc of the power plant in one episode
There’s one small problem with that route. Homer throws the Co-60 out the window at approximately the same time he passes Bart on his way home from school, after serving detention. Assuming the map is correct, Bart takes a very circuitous route home and has achieved very high velocity in order to meet Homer.
Well, he dropped it and ran, as it says on the warning sign :-)
Creators of the Simpsons put hidden scientific jokes everywhere, now i understand this one as well. Thank you!
When I saw the title, my mind flashed to his diet, and the number of injuries he has undergone through the years. Homer is so durable, that he could be in the MCU.
He's a Weapon X program reject.
Technically because he has a 50% chance of living for each one of those 723 times his odds of living is 2.266278e-216, so it's not impossible he'd live
I was thinking that The Simpsons have a lot to answer for when it comes to nuclear energy.
Conversely, you've helped me undo some of that misinformation and I've changed my stance on the subject. Thanks for that.
All of which bolsters my theory concerning "The Simpsons" (and many other such shows). That theory being: *Homer is in a coma and has been for years.* His whole "life" is the dreams/nightmares he has while in this other _reality._ There may be a Marge and the kids, but they are probably living a much better life than depicted in the show. Several of the characters may also be created in his mind. Or they may be various workers in the hospital in which he resides. As such, what they talk about could form the fevered plots of his imagination. Maybe also from things on the TV in his room, kept on for the entertainment of the staff and family, or maybe the person in a bed near Homer. It would certainly explain the Halloween episodes. Could even be from a TV in an adjoining room, making what he hears muffled and indistinct, adding to the strangeness of his dreams.
All in all, It would also make a good final episode in which he wakes up. The writers did that for Bob Newhart's Show, "Newhart." They could even use real people for that final episode to make it have a secondary twist. Not only was Homer dreaming in the coma, but he was dreaming he, and everyone else, was a cartoon character.
what a tired trope
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Actually, saying something is s "tired trope" is, itself, a tired trope. That not withstanding, How many stories have been written concerning a person "living" their life through dreams while in a coma? Stories which only chronicle their dreams as the entire plot? I doubt there have been many.
@@DNTMEE specifically, what a tired trope for a theory (apologies for not making that clearer initially). [protagonist of x media] is in a coma and [x media] is their dreams theories are a dime a dozen
@@DNTMEE X-Files did it, but not for the whole series. Dallas is probably why this theory gets a lot of hate? It does seem more plausible for The Simpsons since Bart never leaves 4th grade characters not aging despite canon existing.
I really appreciate your videos on nuclear power and the accuracy of them. I always watch new videos on the topic to see if there's any new information or facts that I don't know (the nuclear waste bore-hole company was news to me), but most of those videos also include a couple key inaccuracies. In saying that, I'm not trying to poopoo on those other content creators, but rather expressing my appreciation for the kick-a$$ job your doing with your own content. So good on you there.
I know you did a video on nuclear waste, and how it's not really a problem, but you should do another video specifically on high level waste (primarily spent fuel), and how even that's not really a long-term problem, even ignoring storage (all of which kind of hinges on the general inverse relationship between half-life and radioactivity). The vast majority of spent fuel, 95% to 96%, is just unfissioned U-235 and U-238 which have extremely long half-lives and are only weakly radioactive.
Then you've got transuranics like Pu-239, Pu-240, etc., which are more radioactive than natural uranium, but which only make up between 1% and 2% of the fuel rods. Transuranics have half-lives in the many thousands of years, which makes them less radioactive and less dangerous than fission products, but I don't know enough to say that they're safe enough that I could build a house over a few tons of transuranics buried a couple meters under the ground (so maybe you use the bore holes for them if you don't want to use fast reactors.
Lastly, you've got fission products, which make up 2% to 3% of fuel rods and extremely radioactive. However, because of that radioactivity, they've got really short half-lives and go away fairly quickly, with the majority of fission products reaching stability within a decade of two of being produced. Most of your fission product radioactivity beyond 10 to 20 years will be coming from Cs-137 and Sr-90, both of which, combined, only make up ~12% of fission products.
So, if you can pull out the transuranics and Cs-137 and Sr-90 and drop them down a bore hole or something, you've almost completely eliminated the danger of ~98% your total long-lived nuclear waste within a single human generation. Do a video that makes people recognize that please.