The Top 15 Strongest Characters in HxH
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For those of you wondering why isn't there any of the princes or beyond netero on this list. We haven't seen them fight yet sooo gonna wait for them
Edit: A vid is coming out later for Why Silva is stronger then I thought. I significantly downplayed Silva in this vid soo imma make up for that later
W vid but i think kurapika beats hisoka zeno and chrollo
@@Jahb07 that’s also fair. I should have made this a bit more clear but I put Kura, Hisoka, Zeno and Chrollo all in the same tier of power
@@TheEternalFlame57 ok thx for clearing that up because I think he’s above them but below killua
Chimera ant kite has the potential to reach royal gaurd level. But we'll probably never see him at full power
I am sad too see no honourable mention for morel on this list. probably top 20 at least. Underrated goat
Off the top of my head I think I’d put Morel at 19 or 18
@@TheEternalFlame57i feel like if he had more Offensive applications of deep purple than he'd be more talked about. He usually wins by wearing his opponent down and his massive intellect
Why keep calling zeno "Silva's grandfather " ?
Okay, saying that Silva didn't know about Illumi mission is just false. He knew about it and it's pretty good probability him and Zeno been waiting for Illumi to call them.
Silva should scale higher than Illumi, somewhere around Zeno and Chrollo.
Also, Zeno made Silva a head of the family years before for a reason, he's somewhere around Zeno level.
@@ДавидГригорьев-ф3ж What we meant was more they didn’t know the result of the mission. They were aware of Illumi’s mission but weren’t holding back to keep Chrollo alive cause of that
Killua is not above Zeno and Silva based killua was said to be SL level and god speed enhance his ability and all ways and form but he did no damage to youpi the described it as a baby fighting a adult moral was said to be 2 times weaker than unvoi (from the troupe sorry bad at spelling names) and he was holding his own against the ants too at only 30% and I don’t see killua beating uncool and kuripika did it with only just now knowing men not even having BE yet
Killua is overrated asf. Morel genuinely beats him with Smoky Jail bc of his overreliance on speed and short time span. That's if he can get him into Smoky Jail, but Morel has a valid and not entirely unrealistic win con. I don't think Killua is allowed to be Top 5 just because of that.
He also doesn't have great AP. His best feat is being able to somewhat damage 1/7th of Pouf, and Pouf doesn't even have any impressive durability feats. He should be around on par with Hisoka based on databook stats, and if you think that's the case, Hisoka, Xeno, Uvogin, and Kurapika all beat Killua. Now, Chrollo and Illuma are debatable, as their durability isn't what make them top tiers, however, I think Killua is realistically 10-12th place
The only reason Killua didn't kill Youpi, is cause he's too OP.
Pouf's clone is an accurate example of what someone on the Phantom Troupes level would be like fighting Killua, just a speed blitz
@markmontes17 pouf isn't an enhancer ment for brawling, bro killua still loses to uvogin
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Let's get this out of the way:
Meruem > Killua
Adult Gon > Killua
Netero > Killua
Pitou > Killua
Youpi > Killua
Shaiapouf > Killua
We can agree to these points, correct?
Bro I genuinely don’t think Killua is top ten
He didn’t kill his Zeno and Chrollo because Illumi called Im sure he couldve one shotted both of them with that attack knowing he can one shot a squadron leader without using a hatsu
You guys know that chrollo and Zeno both dodged Silva attack right I mean that’s obvious bc Zeno had chrollo in one place and after his men blast they were in different places and still took damage Silva also fought chrollo alone in a fight and killed a troupe member you might say okay chrollo was not as strong as he is now but think about it when is chrollo ever alone fr and fighting someone alone isn’t chrollo style im willing to beat Silva probably took the troupe head on even
@KINGSHADOWW137 I could argue also that Silva’s nen blast ended up knocking them both back which was why they were in different places, which would be supported by the fact they were still damaged. This becomes my interpretation vs yours pretty fast
Also Silva directly stated Chrollo had improved a lot since then, and considering the flashback heavily implies it was a 1v1
@@TheEternalFlame57 yes you could say they got blow away but judging how big of damage the building took and the fact that rumble was above them implies that they dogged it and they wasn’t extremely far from each other just a small distance that attack would send anybody flying no doubt Silva said he got stronger only physical nothing more and Silva like his dad is known not to kill anyone outside of his target making an exception for cheetal because he was a hindrance not to mention that Silva received lil to nun damage against chrollo only reviving a cut with poison only to be healed within seconds chrollo asked Zeno who would win in a fight and we both know what Zeno had said but if u look closely he had a lot of hatred in his eyes for Silva so why not ask him that question and I believe it’s because he already knows the answer and he isn’t prepared to face him yet Silva is in his prime Zeno is mostly past it given the fact that he’s no longer the head of the family it makes no sense to scale him this low tbh
Like how could you rank him below illumi that makes no sense illumi couldn’t even hang with Zeno based of feats
People get this wrong all the time chrollo did 2v1 Zeno and Silva he just survived long enough for illumi to come through for him that’s all sure Zeno and Silva both agreed to kill him they may have to lose their lives and during half of the fight chrollo wasn’t going all out and was trying to capture one of them but it’s fair to assume the only reason he did that because he know he could survive long enough for illumi to come and the only reason Zeno and Silva said what they said was because the amount of stole abilities chrollo has was unknown so unknown to the point where there lives could have been at stake risking their lives would have been there best bet as assassins killing your target is the goal living through it is just a luxury
No way yall put godspeed over zeno, chrollo, kurapika, illumi hell he still wouldn't beat uvogin.
When taking scaling as a factor "Godspeed" would allow movement OF ALL KINDS not just traveling, at speeds that allow Killiua so fast he could perceive and communicate with a character so fast it PERCEPTION BLITZED a Royal Guard.
If you don't agree PLEASE debate me
@@mcshifter4138what ap does killua have
@@tjadams98 He is moving is BEYOND the perception of Youpi.(Youpi thinks he's just teleporting )He can move a 64 tons or 58,509kgs after Chimera Ant, his Yoyos wiegh 50kgs each, PLUS his base physical strength PLUS his nen-enchanced strikes PLUS out speeding his Dad and Grandpa WORSE than he did to Youpi.
You're saying they could fight someone who's almost comparable to them in physical strength and THEY CAN NOT SEE HIM, HE IS TELEPORTING AROUND in their eyes.
@@tjadams98 at least, that's what I think and why. Ofc I could be wrong if opinions are the only thing we're counting
@@mcshifter4138 if you honestly think he could have just knocked them out. Why didn't he do that to nanika and just run afterwards.
1. Post-Rose Meruem
2. Pre-Rose Meruem
3. Netero
4. Youpi
5. Pouf
4. Gon with Nen vow
5. Pitou
6. Maha Zoldyck
7. Ging Freecs
8. Zeno Zoldyck
9. Post-mortem Nen Hisoka
9. Silva Zoldyck
10. Kuroro Lucilfer with prep
11. Killua
12. Kurapika
13. Illumi Zoldyck
14. Razor
15. Kite
Why Youpi and Pouf higher than Gon? Because Youpi has incredible amount of aura and regeneration to outlast Gon and Pouf can read minds and split himself to avoid damage.
Why u calling Zeno Silva's grandpa? He is Killua's grandfather.
An error I made in recording, that I didn’t notice til now 😅
Razor's Nen Capacity really does have to be absolutely insane to be able to conjure up all of the Nen Creatures and systems on Greed Island, unless one or more of the other unseen developers is somehow aiding behind the scenes or something 😭
The main way I extrapolate that even being possible without him being, like, Royal Guard in terms of Nen Capacity is Greed Island itself giving a crazy amount of Nen Conditions and Restrictions to make it possible. I.e. "I can summon all of these creatures and items, but I cannot control the creatures and use the items myself except for the designated developer cards, and they're only usable on Greed Island unless a player beats the game and is able to bring a card to the 'real world'". Could be seen as even more restrictive than Nen Vows like Chain Jail in a way lol.
Your guys Silva point makes no sense at all😂 why would zeno instruct Silva to kill both of them if he didn’t think he could do it??? Clearly he misdirected or they just moved.
After watching more, eternal I fw u💯 but y’all gotta brush up on y’all hxh scaling😂 illumi over Silva? KILLUA ABOVE A ROUAL GUARD WTF
List isn’t totally bad but u guys just seem to miss the point when reading or watching the series. Idk why you think pitou is so much stronger than the other Royal guards. Youpi is probably the strongest in terms of ap. Has shapeshifting and endless versatility. Pouf with the best intelligence and beelzebub can counter almost anyone in the series.
All royal guard took a hit from meruem and survived. It was put like that for a reason. The narrative implies they are relative (however I do think post mortem pitou is o objectively stronger).
Netero should be below or around the same level as the Royal guards. He concedes himself he’s weaker than pitou (could be lying) but at least implies relatively. This is also consistent with pitou taking no damage at all from his hatsu. He wanted to remove her from the battlefield for a reason.
I see lots of other people already pressed y’all about the atrocious killua placing.
I do feel like I need to reread the series now. I will say the main reason I think Pitou is higher is both cause of their insane durability and abilities they have access to. I also think Meruem’s hits on the chimera ants were made to show who was stronger and weaker
Youpi was sent flying back, pouf took a significant amount of damage but Pitou only had their cheek move. They didn’t get sent flying back or had any of that same damage. Which imo is trying to show a superiority. Now I don’t think Pitou is massively above but I think they are the strongest of the three
The main reason for Netero is a mix of how fast his attacks are and the fact they can do a small amount of damage to Meruem. Like I know Netero says Pitou is stronger then him (While he is rusty), but based on the feats we see Netero should be able to do the same thing Killua did to someone like Youpi, but actually be able to kill him with enough time, unlike Killua who couldn’t
I might make a full on video talking about how strong is Killua in the future cause some of my opinions have changed and I realized there are some things I should have talked about more proper. Either that or a vs battle, cause after thinking it more over Killua is not stronger than Shaiapouf
@@TheEternalFlame57 gotcha. I think each royal guard has win cons against netero is more durable than netero and physically superior than him. Netero would have to outlast them to win, which imo means puts them comfortably all by each other, with netero possibly being in the lower end. I mean hell, meruem was taking neteros limbs easily, and could’ve ended the fight in the beginning if he didn’t want to learn his name. Meruem couldn’t even do that to the Royal guards when he hit them. Youpi honestly can be argued to beat pitou (alive).
And bet about the Killua stuff. I do want to hear what you have to say about him cuz having him above his brother, father, and grandfather is baffling. Like to the point I’m confused someone as smart as u when it comes to scaling would even think this😂😂
And I still don’t understand your guys Silva point. It contradicts the story itself. Zeno making Silva head, Zeno having the plan to be the one to pin down chrollo so Silva can kill both of them, even in the old anime you hear a phone ring right before Silva launches the attack. He’s already fought chrollo 1v1 after killing a troupe member. Everything points to him being on or above zeno level.
Overall tho I appreciate your response💯 nd gonna continue to watch yo vids.
@@tjadams98 I honestly might make a vid talking about Youpi vs Pitou cause it's a fun as hell matchup. I just see Pitou winning more often but I think it can actually be pretty close
I've been doing some more rereads and I definitely will make a Silva vid at this point, cause as I am reading I definitely think we downplayed Silva a lot. I will say I think Killua in God Speed is the same level at Illumi at this point, however putting him above Zeno and Silva is something I feel is wrong now for sure
Let's goo! Been waiting for this one!
All Zoldyck should be higher, especially Silva. You just downplayed the Head of the family. Also Maha Zoldyck shoud be somewhere around the top ones. But the rest is fine i guess.
@@ДавидГригорьев-ф3ж They are in the same tier below the Royal guards unless you like think Shaiapouf is losing to Zeno… which… actually that I can see
@@TheEternalFlame57 Well yea, If Shiapouf could be in trouble with Killua... Then i think Zeno actually has a chance. But yea, still a good thing they're pretty high on the tier.
@@ДавидГригорьев-ф3ж Also I put Maha as an honourable mention mainly cause we don’t know enough about how they fight. They’d definitely be on the list if we knew more though
Knov aged because he was in Zetsu and felt Poufs aura which wasn’t passive, he was distressed because Meruem hurt himself because Komugi the girl he hated
Killua would be a genuine top tier if he had some wearable battery as a power source to keep him charged for extended battles
Chrollo technically couldn't use godspeed, transmuters aren't immune to the effects of their changed aura, that's why Genthru had to coat his hands in aura to block the little flower, and why Tsezguerra commented on Killuas hatsu the way he did. Therefore if Chrollo stole it, there's a solid chance he'd just electrocute himself, and he'd have to balance it out with LOTS of training, or supplementing it with another ability, unless of course Togashi were to pull a "He actually went through similar assassin training in his teen years" or something
i think chrollo has suffered enough in his life to tank electricity,
@AniSwiftTVRecaps It's less about tanking it, and moreso just being able to do anything while it's flowing through you, even YOUPI was stunned by electricity, and unable to react for a time afterwards, and that was just in response to lightning infused attacks, not godspeed which envelopes the user and lets it run freely through their entire system. Like I said, if he trained with it for a few months he'd probably be fine, he's a prodigy, but the first 5, 10 times he activates it it'd fry him
@@leviwatson1891 its insinuated that chrollo also gains mastery of any techniques he copies and know all there strengths and weakness though
@AniSwiftTVRecaps It's KNOWN that the requirements to even steal an ability, like seeing it used, combined with his genius intellect is generally enough for him to understand most abilities. Not to mention that a large portion are obtained after he beats someone in combat, AND the final requirement of the user placing their palm on his book. Something that almost certainly won't happen unless they're under duress, meaning he incapacitated them already, or more likely, captured them with help from the troupe. And if it was Paku or Feitan information is not a concern whatsoever
Regardless of any insinuations, the fact remains that even if he had full and total understand of it, he's still not immune to the ability, it's literally a plot point that the CREATORS of their transmutation ability aren't immune to the transmuted substances naturally, why would Chrollo be
@@leviwatson1891 if its possible to be immune to your technique then surely chrollo can find a way especially since killua became immune to it overtime. also I don't think yk how godspeed works by reading this the electricity u see coming off killua is not at all harmful to him or anyone around him like say if he picks u up the one u normally see around his body just serves to connect his muscles to his brain to make his attacks faster or make them automatic in some cases. the only time the electricity actually become harmful is when he focuses and discharges the electricity from his palms but apart from that its just mild current and even killua use the lethal electricity sparingly because it drains him fast. also killua doesn't actually transmute his aura into electricity per say, more specifically he transmutes his aura into something that can conduct and store electricity because he needs a taser, lightning or source of current to actually gain enough electricity to activate his abilities
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It was fun af lol
Imagine Meruem lived for a year. Bro was like 40 days old. ☠☠☠
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illumi above silva is wild and why is killua up so high
one thing @SatorisYT missed in his video was how gon used spirit echo on god speed killua. the scene is described in the exact way as when netaro used spirit echos on pitou too minus the compressed time. its even more impressive since they say killua didn't have time to blink while they describe the netero's spirit echo on pitou as a blink of an eye
if gon's rel to that type of speed at all, theres no proof meruem would be able to tank all the punches
Killua over pouf is crazy.
I think they are super close but I give it to Killua slightly more times cause of his speed. Granted I could see Pouf out staminaing him to
@@TheEternalFlame57thing is pouf said he'd have trouble keeping up with him evn at full power. Not outsped, just trouble. And the reason pouf got so hurt was that most of his aura had been consumed by meruem as well. So it wasn't an exact 1/7th. He talks about it in a chapter but I don't quite remember which if killua had such great Power. Then he wouldn't have had to run from illumi or be threatened by tsubone.
@@AhmedHussain-ju6xd Tbh fair. I am not super gungho on Killua>Pouf so I am ok with giving that point up
I also have a couple counter arguments for the Illumi thing. Killua could be overestimating Illumi, which I think is consistent. It also could be Killua still has trauma about Illumi to, mainly cause of what Illumi did. Finally he didn’t want to fight him either cause he was in a rush to go save Gon. He didn’t have the time nor did he know how much time he’d have
@@TheEternalFlame57fair about Illumi, he is like my least favorite character to scale Honestly.
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There is a way to counter Killua world wind. Just dont activate the condition for him to move, dont cross the circle he cant move, dont attack him he cant move.
Many of the nen users below him have the dura to take his ap, and figure it out. Crollow, Hisoka, Silva (maybe), Zeno, Illumi, Kite. imo would insanity figure it out.
@@asura3229 Uhh that’s not how God Speed works normally. The reason he had a circle to move in was cause he was protecting Kumogi. That’s not the case with when he used it against Youpi or Pitou
@@TheEternalFlame57 he needs to set a condition, for his nen to react too.
The condition in the yupi fight was any violent action or intent, anytime yupi tried to attack Killua instantly defended himself.
For poof he made the condition passing the line.
The condition for Pitou could have been stop anything from attacking gon.
He can only react the stuff in worldwind, just don't give him anything to react too. There's a reason he didn't just knock out illumi.
About time wed seen some new content
if hxh is such an interesting verse why would you wait until jjk ends to talk about it
@@asivus I did make a vid on it before being Hisoka vs Killua. I have other vids planned to but well wanted to focus on JJK for a bit
I’m so so sorry, but I am only 10 minutes in and I think I disagree with every single selection so far. I’m gonna put my top 15 list of HUMANS here rn and finish the vid, but just no.
1.)Netero
2/3.) Zeno/Silva
3/2.) Silva/Zeno
4/5.) Chrollo/Kurapika
5/4.) Kurapika/Chrollo
6.)Kite
7.)Razor
8/9.)Hisoka/Biscuit
9/8.)Biscuit/Hisoka
10.)Illumi
11/12.)Feiten/Phinx
12/11.)Phinx/Feiten
13.)Morel
14.)Knov
15.)Palm/shoot
Didn’t include characters like ging, maha, the princes, pariston, etc. for lack of portrayal and feats in the story. Ging has the most among these characters, but to give him a spot would be difficult just because of who he is as a character we’re not given enough time to properly rank him.
Silva did NOT disappoint. For one, both he and Zeno said that Chrollo almost died. Zeno said it was a close shave, Silva told Illumi that Chrollo was just barely alive. We didn’t get a break down of their injuries, but we’ve seen characters as weak as pokunota barely react to a broken arm. Same with Hunter exam gon even. You don’t need to have a massive reaction or get it spelt out in order to have major damage done to you.
Zeno fought Netero multiple times in the past, and tho he never beat him, he either gained the respect of Netero, or forced him to use his hatsu. Something that no one else in the series except Meruem SO FAR can say. Maybe ging did at some point, and that’s a reason that I’m not including him, because we don’t know. There’s very few win cons that ppl have over him that would work below him in this list. And I believe he and Silva are about equal based on feats and portrayal.
Kurapika perfectly counters every spider with chain jail, the only exception would’ve been uvogin if he could break out. On top of that, dolphin chain is just chain jail (but better) that can be used on anyone. His enhancement in emperor time is on par with, if just slightly weaker than, uvogin’s. Based on how he was running circles around him, and contending physically with him when he wasn’t using his hatsu. (Didn’t include him because he died a long time ago in terms of chapters, and I just thought it best to use current characters for the most part).
Chrollo has skill hunter with the bookmark, enough said really. He has the constant portrayal of being among the strongest. A fight between he and Kurapika will likely end with kurapika winning, which is why I put them on par with each other, but anyone else below him, Chrollo more than likely takes.
Kite with 1 arm lasted in a fight until sunrise with pitou, and did damage to him. One arm kite > gon+killua post GI. He was able to “hunt” ging, and has earned a position as a legendary hunter IMO. The scythe, tho annoying to Kite, is one of the strongest attacks we’ve seen in the series. He can reincarnate when he doesn’t want to die (at least it’s implied that’s how he survived based on Ging’s statement in chairman election). His gun is quite strong, tho we don’t see enough of it or know enough about its ability to properly scale it. Same with the other abilities he didn’t show.
Razor was able to mangle hisoka’s hands with fractions of his power. He was able to withstand gon’s jajan Ken without taking much, if any damage. The only reason he had to bump it is because he would be rung out by it. Physically, he was superior to everyone on greed island, including Hisoka. And he wasn’t fighting anyone, but gravely injured a few of the people there. One hit to tsuezguerra even with enhancement was able to have him out of commission, he was able to destroy one of the nen monkey beasts made by that one extra, and he blew off that convict’s head with raw aura. Phinx was on edge just by seeing him, immediately knowing he was the real deal.
Biscuit’s never struggled against an opponent yet, and has never gone all out yet. She is a master of shingen ryu karate, and a nen master of upwards of 30+ years of experience. She said it took her until 30 to be as proficient as Gon and Killua in GI training, and she has another 20 yrs of experience on top of that, and mastery. We don’t rlly know her upper limits, but it’s more than likely top tier.
Hisoka for obvious reasons. He’s a battle fiend that kinda dogs on most ppl in the verse. If Chrollo didn’t plan, it likely wouldn’t have been so easy for him to beat Hisoka. I didn’t judge based on post mortem Nen because we haven’t seen enough of him to know how much he was buffed by it. He’s probably stronger than kite with it, but without any showings, who rlly knows.
Illumi off of relativity to premortem nen hisoka.
Feiten off his scaling to zazan (undoubtedly the squadron leader and the ant with ONE OF THE HIGHEST NEN SKILL, using advanced applications of nen outside of hatsu like a burst of emitted aura. Unlike characters like yuupi who didn’t have any real control over nen until after fighting killua to enter his rage form. She has about as much skill as pitou, who has marginally less than pouf. Because of their use of In).
Phinx believed he could tag out for Feiten, and he’s treated as the “leader” after Chrollo is gone.
We never get to see morel at full power. He was at 30% during the chimera ant raid, so it’s hard to gauge him. I just don’t see him beating Feiten off of what he’s shown. And Phinx is relative to Feiten.
Knov went insane where no one else did in the raid. He’s implied relative to morel, but based on showings, morel just has a better kit. Knov has one shot potential, but landing it is a problem based on his speed scale. It’s likely that against a fighter like yuupi, shoot performed better than Knov would have.
Palm for the way Killua remarked that a continued fight would result in his loss. Shoot because of his speed and hax. Both above knuckle.
I have some issues with this. I do think Hisoka, Chrollo, Zeno, Silva, Kurapika, Feitan and Illumi's placements are fine. As well as Netero of course but the others I have some issues with. I also won't talk about Uvogin cause well you didn't include them. I also think Kite should have been on the list but me and Satori realized mid recording but we didn't feel like changing the list so later in the vid we talked about where he should be
Phinks is only relative to a BASE Feitan, who base Feitan doesn't scale to armored Zazan. Not pain packer, considering Phinks immediately ran away. Furthermore he might be able to beat Zazan or might not. We have no idea, all we do know is he should be massively below pain packer Feitan.
Morel took a look at Gon using Jajanken during the test for the palace raid and thought that Gon was about to kill him. I think Morel is top 20, but considering he looked at Gon and thought that he was about to die who Killua is implied relative to (In base, if not for sure God Speed) then yeah
Biscuit doesn't really have the feats imo. After all we don't know how much of an increase she got from the 20 years of training extra, so for that I didn't include her
Knov doesn't have the speed feats imo. Knuckle and Shoot are getting done the same way Youpi was by God Speed Killua, just instead they are getting hurt and damaged by Killua's strikes.
Palm's statement is about a Killua who has already expended a lot of nen using God Speed on both Shaiapouf and Youpi. We have no idea how a normal battle between them would go
Furthermore to give Chrollo some gas it should be remembered he wasn't fighting either Zeno or Silva with intent to kill. He wanted to steal their abilities, which Zeno stated that a 1v1 between himself and Chrollo where Chrollo is fighting with intent to kill would go differently. On top of that in an actual 1v1 Silva wouldn't get a chance to charge the orbs and hit Chrollo since he needed Zeno to hold him and distract him for it
@@bromous1446 also thx for putting so much effort into the comment either way. Was fun to read
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Again, this is all IMO.
Phinx is relative to Feiten full stop. Phinx’s base is relative to feiten’s base, and when both of their conditions are met, phinx’s ripper cyclotron is relative to feiten’s pain packer. Phinx’s ripper cyclotron has a higher ceiling of damage output, probably higher and less reactable speeds since he scales to his punches in speed as opposed to Feiten who doesn’t scale to the speed of pain packer (that we know of). Meanwhile pain packer’s advantage is a naturally occurring condition, not cranking the arm but just taking any damage, meaning he gets stronger throughout a fight. And it also has significantly larger AOE. They’re = for all intents and purposes, they just excel at different things. A natural enhancer has an inherent stat advantage over a transmuter (possibly lean enhancer) who he’s relative to. When it comes to combat, phinx and Feiten are just about equal.
Morel not knowing gon’s jajan ken would kill him isn’t a downplay of his own strength. Morel is first and foremost a manipulator, so enhancement is only at a proficiency of 40%. On top of this, there’s not many ppl who could eat a full power jajan Ken, one that was technically directed towards pitou. Meleoron is an idiot for thinking it’d do anything to Meruem, but I don’t think he’s so much of an idiot that he couldn’t recognize that jajan Ken is probably the strongest attack he’s ever seen. And even after preparing for the raid, he still thought that should be their strategy against Meruem. He only changed because Gon was unavailable to knuckle using APR to drain Meruem. Morel possibly dying from jajan Ken at full power (one stronger than what Gon used to match razor) isn’t exclusive to morel, and would likely work on anyone on this list. Maybe not Netero, but he would be damaged pretty heavily.
Biscuit doesn’t have feats, ur right, it’s almost a gut placement. She’s never struggled in any fight against anyone. She’s a Nen master who taught Gon and Killua’s first master, a person Killua entrusted to join Kurapika on his vengeful quest (melody is an exception to the necessity of strong allies. She has a very useful technique, and is kurapika’s closest friend since he joined the mafia.). But ur right not to include her based on feats tbh.
I’m guessing the knov, knuckle, and shoot arguments being made here is due to your placement of killua. I haven’t watched that far, I had to go do sum else, I’m going back to watch the vid soon. Knov is implied to be relative to morel, if for nothing else than he was hand picked along with morel to undertake the mission. His ability is a one shot for anyone, just depends on if he can land it. Knov can also teleport across a battlefield. An established 1 star hunter generally speaking is going to be superior over novice hunters like gon, killua, and their protégés. You don’t need to scale to killua’s good speed speed to beat him. Illumi doesn’t, and Killua fears fighting him. Hisoka doesn’t, and Hisoka is certain that killing Killua now would be a waste of his potential because he’s too weak to satisfy him rn. Tsubone is confident she can restrain Killua, regardless of Godspeed. None of them scale in speed to Killua in Godspeed, but all of them have win cons against him. For Illumi it’s creating an army, landing a nen needle, and possibly more that we don’t know. Hisoka can cover his body in bungee gum to avoid the effects of the lightning bolt, and attach bungee gum to killua to make it impossible for him to avoid his attacks, as well as keeping killua at range like how he used the head in the Chrollo fight, and possibly more we haven’t seen. Tsubone has the least confirmed ways, but as I said, she was confident she could restrain him, and Silva was confident in sending her to maintain control over any of killua’s actions. Knov, narratively speaking, is at least superior to Tsubone, that isn’t an outlandish thing to believe right? He can avoid lightning bolt by creating a portal to swallow it, and outlast god speed by trapping Killua in one of his rooms. He has win cons, and ways around the speed, so realistically, he would be able to deal with it.
Killua was fully recharged by the point he faced off with palm, and he only fought with yuupi, not pouf by that point. Later on he said he could hold pouf back for the entire night, so saying he was drained of nen is just assumptuous. Killua hasn’t rlly shown anything that could work on palm, while palm can beat the breaks off of base Killua, and her hair dress can protect her from killua’s strikes. She probably can’t withstand the stun of lightning bolt, but it’s just a stun attack, not a high damage one until otherwise proven. Killua didn’t do any damage to yuupi, we don’t know how strong his base attacks are in comparison to other ppl proficient in nen.
Chrollo admitted he wasn’t trying to steal both of their abilities, at least not in the middle of combat in ch.98. Zeno dissected his strategy, and used the ben’s knife as evidence to him either trying to restrain one to steal the ability of the other, or restrain them both to steal their abilities outside of combat. Either way, he was still fighting to win, just not kill. He wasn’t holding back, he’d be an idiot to because he was dead to rights. If Illumi hadn’t finished his mission just before Silva used his attack (at least that’s the interpretation from the 1999 anime. The manga leaves it somewhat ambiguous about when the call was made, but since Silva said Chrollo was barely alive, and Zeno said it was a close shave for both of them, it’s more than likely that Silva held back after he heard the transmission that Illumi finished his assassination). Zeno said he’d obviously win, as in there’s no chance Chrollo does if he wasn’t going for the kill. And that his response to the question would be different if Chrollo was going for the kill. He wouldn’t say it is “obviously him” that would win. By feats, statements, and portrayal, Zeno > Chrollo. And by just portrayal, Silva ≈ Zeno because he’s in his prime, he’s the head of the family, and Zeno believed that should he die, Silva would be able to assassinate the rest of the troupe on his own since that was their job.
Godspeed isn’t that strong of an ability honestly. It makes Killua one of the fastest in the series, but it depends on the situation, and could result in his own loss if he’s not smart. Godspeed is a split of 2 techniques, speed of lightning, and whirlwind. Speed of lighting just increases killua’s speed to exceed his own natural limit, but overall, it isn’t particularly fast. Tsubone was able to catch up to this speed. And it’s unlikely that anyone relative in speed to base Killua can’t react to this speed. Speed of lightning mostly boosts his travel speed. Whirlwind is very impressive, and I’d argue the only ppl capable of reacting to it would be Netero, MAYBE Meruem, and MAYBE adult gon. Because it’s based on the opponent’s attack speed, and Netero is so fast that Meruem only sees afterimages of his movements. Whatever the case is, whirlwind is strong, and for a fighter like yuupi, it would be deadly if he wasn’t a tank. But that’s because yuupi is an idiot. As stated, whirlwind is based on the opponent’s movements, and moving in reaction to their attacks. So if the opponent…stops attacking, then whirlwind is a waste of charge and nen. Or for cases like Hisoka who can attach bungee gum without moving, or Feiten who can activate pain packer without moving, they can kinda bully whirlwind Killua. Because he doesn’t have the whirlwind speed without reacting to the opponent. Unless killua deactivates whirlwind, he’d get hit by pain packer. Because if he scaled to whirlwind speed, he would’ve been able to chase down and burn away 1/7th of pouf without much trouble since he couldn’t react, but instead he placed a circle around him to use to attack when pouf entered. If an opponent with high IQ like morel, Knov, knuckle, or shoot stop attacking while whirlwind is active, Killua is just draining nen and charge.
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Also, I think Gon and Killua are way too high. Adult Gon does scale to the top tiers, but Gon in general scales below knuckle. Killua absolutely does not scale to the RG, only ppl that do are Netero and adult Gon (scaling above obv). The RG beat anyone other than them in a 1v1 til otherwise provable. Even pouf, who is undeniably the weakest RG in terms of combat, is far too smart to be beat by Killua. He was hit once by Killua at 1/7th, and that barely did anything to him. It did damage, but not a lot. And ofc, him being significantly smarter than morel, and based on togashi’s character charts, he rates higher in intelligence than even chrollo. He can without a doubt find the weakness in whirlwind and just not activate the unreactable speeds by not attacking. Reducing killua to strictly speed of lightning, which again, isn’t too fast to react to for most strong characters in the verse. Everyone on my list can definitely beat both Gon and Killua at the moment. Between their enhancement, their intelligence, and their counters, they can, and so can the royal guards.
Also, if I had to pick a spot for Uvogin, it’d either be tied with or slightly above razor. I believe in togashi’s chart, he has higher nan proficiency, but it could’ve been just another category, that he has over top tiers like Chrollo and Silva, and being on par with masters like Netero and Zeno (in that specific part of the charts). His enhancement is second only to Netero so far, and he would definitely beat anyone below him at that point. He’d struggle with Hisoka and biscuit because he’s not that smart, he’d probably even lose to them, but overall, most characters in the verse aren’t even damaging him. Much less beating him, which gives him valid win cons far surpassing biscuit’s and Hisoka’s. Hisoka technically wants to fight every member of the troupe, he wasn’t just dismissive of a character like Uvogin. He’s actively hunting the troupe as we speak. He just wanted to fight Chrollo first because he’d never be allowed to if Chrollo didn’t want to fight him. Since no infighting is a rule in the troupe, Hisoka constantly had to suppress his blood lust, and bide his time until he could fight Chrollo. It’s unlikely Hisoka would win majority of the fights with Uvogin tho, at least premortem nen Hisoka. Uvogin is a much closer fight to razor than he is to Hisoka.
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Like specifically the Feiten and Phinx thing, don’t get me wrong, Phinx isn’t surviving a broken arm pain packer. But Feiten isn’t surviving a 15 crank ripper cyclotron either. He hasn’t shown any feats to earn that lvl of defense. Zazan’s base emission was able to deal moderate damage to Feiten, and one punch from her broke his arm. I don’t even think she’s an enhancer like Phinx, she’s just naturally beefy with attacks. Phinx just had better AP and dura than Feiten. His Ko is the strongest we’ve seen other than uvogin’s and MAYBE Zeno’s in the entire series. And nen offense = nen defense based on biscuit’s training in greed island. Phinx can one shot Feiten just as easily as Feiten can one shot Phinx. In fact, Phinx is probably a really really bad matchup for Feiten since he doesn’t deal a lot of damage throughout a fight. He can fight on par with base Feiten, but the moment ripper cyclotron comes out, if it lands, a fight between Phinx and ANYONE, would probably just be over. Feiten wouldn’t have time to build up the same amount of pain he built up in the zazan fight.