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BRITISH CARPENTER IN AUSTRALIA 🇦🇺
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.พ. 2023
- We recently moved from the UK to Australia and I will be showing you the differences good and bad 🔨
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Just on stage 2 of skills assessment at the moment waiting for my interview, I’m the same I do everything manufacturing ,fitting , first fix ,second fix , cabinet making . Looking to go Queensland myself hopefully find a joiners shop that needs someone being self employed with my own workshop in the uk I’m half looking forward to just going and getting a job without all the stress
I was the same at first but cabinet making here doesn’t pay very well, I expected to be just fitting kitchens but there’s nothing like howdens or wren here the cabinet makers make and install and they pay very little subcontracting fitting, if you get your own shop I think you will do well I have thought about it but not right now, I’m renovating a house and working self employed so haven’t got time to think 😂 flipping houses is where the money is
@@ProBuildCarpenter looking forward to it any tips or advice will be much appreciated keep up the good videos
Class video mate. Nice to see your honesty, as a carpenter from UK looking to move out this helps a lot. Also, great choice going hikoki 👍
I had hikoki in the uk the tools are solid and the warranty is a no brainier 👍🏻
I grew up in Dutchland and did my trade schooling in the eighties. Back then, we'd do two years of trade school (lower technical school), followed by apprenticeship. If you wanted to become a contractor, you'd have to follow that with five years of night school to get your building contractor diploma. But, once qualified, there was (and I think still is) no further need for bullshit licenses. The emphasis was on qualifications rather than control through licensing. There was practically no such thing as building inspections, and that hasn't changed much. When I came to NZ (pre licensing) I already could not believe the lack of workmanship on the one hand, and the pedantic control (inspections and micromanaging requirements for plans). That is so much worse now. I think the licensing system is to compensate for education and training deficiencies, which we just can't get right. There seems to be no willingness at any level ensure inherent quality. Everything is done through control. And don't get me started on those stupid utes.
I agree with you its like they dont have enough skilled trades for the kids to go with so they keep them in college as long as they can because it is literally a workforce of kids with no guidance and the shit I see they call Australian standards is comical, Chinese standards are better haha
as an aussie, sorry about the hoops that one has to go through. being laid back a bit, we come off to the rest of the world to some as lazy, however, mostly we are far from it and want the best from the best. Glad you moved and hope you are settling in. Gleno.
Thanks mate , Honestly I’m glad it is hard to get here just look at the uk they made it easy to get in now the country is wrecked 👍🏻 it’s good to see a country that is well maintained and people actually doing well in life
Hi mate I moved over from England in 2001, and I've only just got my qbcc carpentry licence lol I actually ended up living in south Australia for a yr and sat a skills test then I was able to transfer my SA licence when we moved back to Queensland (tannum sands) I'm an Aviation Fire Fighter too but am looking at getting back into building...ill be following your story mate! Cheers
Thanks mate, get into electrics instead carpentry’s backbreaking and that’s just carrying all your tools around 😂 plenty of work doing carpentry seems everyone wants decking doing I’ll be looking at that once I get licenced that seems to be the only big money pay for carpentry
@ProBuildCarpenter I just built my deck ...was fun..I can plaster, tile, paint, small plumbing work...but I leave electrical work to the pro's lol.. I've just been offered a job as a site supervisor with Campbell constructions based here in Gladstone running insurance jobs ill let you know how it goes if I take it
@@troycox128 Nice 👍🏻 I have been trying to break into insurance work, I am qualified for fire and flood damage restoration IICRC trained but it’s all approved lists with big company’s and a nightmare to speak to the right people, keep in touch, I’m like you all rounder, I have plumbing certs from the uk but don’t know if it’s worth transferring over 👍🏻
You tried the rear handle hikoki saw yet mate? They have them out in Aus, been desperate to get one but no uk release in sight😢
@@Lyonscarpentry No I rarely use my circ saw only to demo floors I have a Mafell
Plunge saw so that gets the most use, tool shops here are miles better than the uk they have all the tools out for you to play with, hikoki are a bit shit when it comes to marketing and getting their tools out they brought out a toolbox system and I emailed and asked when it was being released they said Japan only so I bought dewalt, couple months later it was released in Australia 😅 I waited 2 years to get the hikoki chop saw in the uk and they just never re stocked it after covid, then they wonder why their brand isn’t taking off bigger
Really informative pal , in the process just now and been wondering quite a bit of this
Anything else you need to know let me know I’ll try and do a video
Im irish and just qualified. Will be making the move in the next 6 months. What sort of money are chippies making in sydney/elsewhere for employed or self employed? Ive heard shuttering chippies are making a lot $75-90 an hour in some places. Cheers
Good money in Queensland mate...less competitive and nice n laid back
I"ve been looking quite a bit and it seems more like $35 to $50 but $75 + sounds amazing
@@Saltdriverdiver where abouts did you look? Did you email big companies in sydney/melbourne etc and ask the going rate? Just curious. Want to move end of 2024
You can do kitchens its just usually seperate. Personally i do literally every trade on my house except gas. Also theres no license required to do cabinets or any carpentry. Yoyre talking about a builders license.
@@MrDeano-eu9rg you need a kitchen bathroom laundry licence to fit kitchens or a builders license and you need a cabinet makers licence to manufacture, then you need a carpentry trade licence to do carpentry im not sure where you are but sounds like Victoria I’m in QLD it’s a bit ridiculous with licences up here
@ProBuildCarpenter yea I'm in Victoria. Mate if all that's true that's ridiculous.
@@MrDeano-eu9rg it is a complete joke I have to work here for 2 years then get 3 other licenced builders to say yes I can build to get my low rise builders licence that will allow me to be a general builder but I have 7 other licences
Carpenter
Joiner
Metal roof and wall cladder
Gutters and fascias
Structural landscaper
Sheds carports and garages
Floor finishing hard floors
All of which is practically building a house but they won’t let me without another licence like low rise, medium rise or open builder 😂 oh yeah there’s 3 different licences for builders
Yes, as a qld carpenter and having vans for 20 odd years l can't believe l ever owned a ute, crazy idea that just won't go away, a lot of young guys have 4x4 Ute's and twin cabs for w/ends and camping..originally chippys were also joiners and cabinet makers .. cabinet making is basically machine made..only skill is fitting..
Thanks for watching ✌🏻I get it having a Ute then going on the beach so if it’s your only vehicle it covers both bases but when it’s a company vehicle like mine it doesn’t make sense my back seat is covered with toolboxes and I can’t carry materials, I think splitting chippies into individual category’s was maybe to shorten training but when it’s 4 years to be a carpenter that the uk teach carpenter&joiner that covers cabinetmaking is 3 years something has become over complicated especially some of the stuff I am seeing, carpenters that can’t fit doors is insane !
Mate cheers for this Video I have a question if you don't mind me asking - I've been looking at AUS to study Carpentry and I had this exact thought process yesterday so AUS offers trade courses for foreign students to study and work for about 3.5 years before a skill assessment BUT they offer Carpentry, Joinery and Cabinet maker all as separate trades !? Which one would you recommend to go into ? Obviously I would like to do them all as a carpenter should and its a bit disappointing to know its so specialized because I would like to do a bit of everything you know. And yes the UTES look terribly designed lol
Do carpentry, once you have carpentry you can automatically get licenced as a joiner, hard floor layer, structural landscaper, carports garages and sheds, metal gutters and fascia’s, roof and wall cladding, these are all covered under carpenter, cabinet maker is a seperate course costs $900 online learning but it’s pointless cabinet makers here make and fit kitchens it’s not like the uk where you can buy from howdens, I wanted to just fit kitchens here but it doesn’t pay so well unless you make them and fit them
More videos about carpentry please!!
We do have very strict building regulations, and really licences are essential from an insurance point of view, customers are more critical and educated now and do have high expectations! 🤨
I will be honest with you, compared to the uk where no licences are required, Australian regulations are very very poor, the actual standards of construction are behind by approximately 20-30 years, I will give you 3 examples
Timber homes are constructed with no wall insulation, this means on hot days your house will be hot inside meaning more use of power and ac to keep the home cool, if insulated the house would keep the heat out and on cold days the reverse.
Windows are single glazed so the above applies Europe has triple glazed systems !
Windows and doors are pinned in no foam to seal drafts.
Concrete floor slabs have no insulation below to prevent heat loss
Concrete slabs are minimal thickness which is why you constantly see them cracked this is extremely worrying but under aus standards accepted !
licensing is a money making scheme for the government, why make someone train and get a trade then make them jump through hoops before they can use that trade, $700 to say yes you have a certificate…. This should be free and to charge the fee yearly is even worse do they expect your skills to expire ? If you keep paying the fee they don’t even check if your qualification has been updated.
Sorry but from what I am seeing daily customers don’t know what high expectations are if they did no one would be buying new build homes because they are complete trash ✌🏻
@@ProBuildCarpenter OUCH! I admit I live in an older double brick house, which is really solidly built, mostly insulated, rewired, etc. I watch many renovation shows and "The Block", which appears to have very rigid building standards and power/water saving devises too! I have noticed dodgy looking Unit Buildings going up nearby and wondered who could possibly have approved this (a couple of Besser bricks, no concrete, low ceilings, no green space, no fire stairs), and who would ever buy them! But Asian people actually do, off the plan, and obviously without required quality inspections, or council checks! I have to assume now those same builders will be licenced and able to continue without consequences! That has burst my illusions, I thought a local councillor had been paid off once, twice, maybe not!? I'll just stay in my oasis in Sydney, and renovate! I wish you good luck with your move, and regulations, you are certainly in the right place at the right time, to be in construction! Look out for Cowboys! 😄
@@jenniferharrison8915 you mention fire stairs and I am amazed how little fire protection is used especially in wood houses, like garages incorporated into a home with no fire plasterboards or a fire door into the main building incase the car sets on fire, very little fire boarding at all in homes in high fire risk areas, I speak to builders and they laugh when I ask about these things, building houses out of wood when termites eat wood 😅 brick and block houses would resist both termites and fire a lot better or even the metal frames now being used. Standards need to improve but the problem is as always the big company’s are smashing homes up fast and shoddy if they finish them at all, and small builders like myself that would build good homes have to work here for 4 years before I can get a medium rose licence when I have 24 years of experience building better quality homes in the UK.
Ps if you phone the qbcc they know less than the trades half the time they don’t even know what you are talking about and these guys are the ones licencing.
Thanks for watching ✌🏻
Licences are only essential from an insurance point of view because they exist. A bit like the old saying, if it wasn't for lawyers, we wouldn't need them.
Licenses is business 👩💼
I'm 24 living in the UK did my 4 year apprenticeship and 3 years post apprenticeship working on building sites as a joiner/carpenter.
I've decent savings considering going to australia to work as I've heard many good stories from other tradesmen. How did you get set up when you went to Australia? Had you a job lined up in australia from the UK before you went or did you find a job once you arrived? Also I'll be flying out with no tools or van, is it best to get shipped over or buy once I arrive.
Hey where r you now ??
I would say join groups on Facebook where you are going, I joined one for carpenters in brisbane made a post detailing my skills and some photos of work, someone will offer you work, id advise to look for an employed job to get setup, its easier to get credit and some will supply tools and vehicle so less to spend, I wont lie housing is a problem and is expensive so maybe look at house shares until you find your feet or apartments outside of the city.
Tools= I would bring hand tools the range here is not great and is quite expensive , power tools are cheap here unless you are using mafell/ festool dealt, akita and Milwaukee are extremely cheap and you can get a full dealt setup of like 12 tools for £1000
Honestly you can make good money here if you do overtime, and your bills are peanuts, renting is the only expense eg our 4 bed house is around £1300 per month but that's about the cost of the uk now.
you wouldn't regret moving here
@@ProBuildCarpenter I've got the Whv sorted and planning to go to melbourne first to visit family before travelling about and doing any working holiday jobs that come my way. If i decided to settle down and stay and look for a carpenters position is there some other visa I need to apply for skilled trades?
@@lukepalmer8705good question!!
Hello again, In Australia now and traveled the east coast. Worth coming to Brisbane to find work or head out to Perth?
Your driving a faux tradesmans ute mate. A real chippy has a tray with drop down sides and two big tool boxes. Plus ladder racks.
@@MrDeano-eu9rg 😂 by the time you have bought all that it’s the cost of 2 vans don’t forget you need your trailer to pull, I’ll stick with my van, roof rack on top all tools nice and dry inside 👌🏻 I get why people get utes for the beach but they are useless for work.
@ProBuildCarpenter nah mate, vans can get bogged on site and also are more dangerous incase of a head on collision. They're also not as tough to haul
@@MrDeano-eu9rg what sites are you going on to get bogged I’m talking about city work not building dunnies in the outback 😂 the idea is fill the van so you have nothing to tow a van can handle a trailer with ease, for head on collisions I’m talking about a real van not a Toyota hiace leg crusher those are death traps vw crafter would take a head on all day long it’s like a tank
Hi mate. Great video. We’re looking to do the same. I’m a self employed joiner at min and have been wondering if you could do the same out there. Is there the market to go self employed and just do your own jobs or does it have to be through a registered company? Cheers
You can go self employed but everything is licenced, the carpentry one is quite easy to get you just have to do a $150 online course for business and new venture management but to be a general builder it is split into loads of licences, low rise, medium rise and high rise then kitchen bathroom and laundry and you need to do bigger courses to do these and also have 2 years worth of experience in Australia, I decided to work employed for a while, credit is easy to get and I get a van and tools and am still on a good wage
Amazing thanks mate. A lot of this info you can’t find anywhere when you’re going into it blind.
@@JonathanMorley-rn2nv yeah to be honest it’s disappointing I wanted to set up straight away now it’s looking like I will have to wait 12 months
Eye opening me and my wife are thinking about making the move how did you find getting a house and costs. And do you know how it’s like for schooling as we have young children keep the videos coming pal 👍
Renting is a bit expensive ours is 4 bed and $600 per week this is about standard electric is $110 per month you don’t pay council tax and only pay for the water you use the landlord pays them, internet is $55 pm but minimum wage for a carpenter is around $1300-1500 per week employed that’s getting a van fuel card, all tolls paid holiday and sick self employed you can get $2200 but you need to buy a van and pay fuel and tolls personally get employed that way you can get a mortgage straight away and you will pay more than the extra $700 you earn on a van and fuel
Schools for private are around $200 per week or public is free after school club is $40 per day but you get subsidised for 50% when they decide to grant it waiting 5 months now 😅
@@ProBuildCarpenter thanks for your reply going to keep researching some more I’m already sold just got to get the wife to fully commit
@@danielshawyer4466 I didn’t want to move here but we did a month holiday in 2016 and I was hooked, family seems to hold a lot of people back ✌🏻 best of luck if you need advice speak to “the down under centre “ they were great with us sorting our visas
@@ProBuildCarpenter I will take a look thanks for the advice and help really appreciate it
I’m looking to do the same.
I’m just struggling to where to get started, I don’t want to get their and can’t find work but I can stand being in the uk anymore!
You won’t struggle to find work here, you would need to get your skills transferred over but it’s a million times better than the uk your money just goes further and your bills are pennies
how much most chippy's earning bro? if you don't mind me asking@@ProBuildCarpenter
did you take/ship yours tools from the UK to Australia
Only a few, power tools are quite cheap here but if you want brands like Mafell you struggle to get them, same with hand tools you don’t get the selection the uk has you get more Australian shite brands that are awful 😅
I'm Scottish so all my qualifications are Scottish ones it can be hard enough to Scottish qualifications recognized in the rest of the UK , I'm not even sure what job i could do in Australia I'm a qualified Furniture maker to a HND level and i did site and bench joinery at college but I've really only done Bench joinery work at site fit outs the the trades are so segregated in Australia would i only be allowed to work in a workshop there but not site work
me and a mate are both looking to move to australia as carpenters once we are more established, just a question do you NEED qualifications to move and work and live over there ?
Depends on age, if you are young enough you can do a couple of years working holiday but if you want to move permanently then you need to get a visa and they need you to get your skills transferred to Australian qualifications it’s about £1500 for carpenter but once your here no one gives a shit if you can do the job they will employ you
@@ProBuildCarpenter so if i have no qualifications in england but want to work in aus, i can get my qualifications over there as an apprentice? also i am 16 and have had nearly a years experience in carpentry.
@@brendanfrearson3676 speak to the down under centre they can advise you on visas, you might be able to do a study visa www.downundercentre.com
@@brendanfrearson3676you need to have skills assessment before landing Australia.
Great video mate! When you did your skills test did you opt for carpenter or carpenter and joiner?
I was told just to go for carpenter for my visa because that’s all the visa required, but it’s no problem because you can get the joinery licence anyway from the carpentry cert
@@ProBuildCarpenter ok cool, thanks mate ! I’m from the uk also so good to hear from someone who has done it. Did you use a visa advisor or did you do the visa all your self?
@@alexhamling7677we used the down under centre in the uk find them on Facebook they have a big group where you can speak to others and see what areas are like
@@ProBuildCarpenter thanks for mentioning that. Im in the process of migrating from Canada to Aus as a Carpenter. Do you recommend going for a sponsored visa by the employer or go the skilled visa pathway which is points based? Thanks
@@nftland9540 go for a 190 style visa permanent residency, you have all the rights of a citizen such as free child care, and gov benefits, if you come as a temp visa holder and want to buy a house you have to pay foreign investment tax and it is expensive I think 8% of the house cost, I would avoid business sponsors because you are tied to that company and if they want to fire you, you have limited time to find a new sponsor also if your not happy and they start to take the piss you are tied to them, so permanent visas are the way forward but second to that is a temporary skills such as a 491 but you don’t get any gov benefits ✌🏻
Do you know if this applies to other trades aswell regarding licensing in Oz? Also as a single person would you say its a good choice moving there most people i see moving are families looking to improve childrens way of life. Cheers
Most trades are licenced, if you go on QBCC website you can search trade licences and it tells you the requirements for each trade, as you say most are families but if you join Facebook groups you make friends easily, we migrated with a company called the down under centre and they have a Facebook page and you just chat to people , then once you start working you make friends.
I will say it can be daunting but I would never go back to the uk the lifestyle is great, I can't wait to get a jetski and go exploring
@@ProBuildCarpenter awesome 👌...really appreciate the info and advice.
would you say queensland is the best place for us chippies out there?
I couldn’t say, I believe Melbourne and Sydney pay more but there’s loads of jobs and it’s quite cushy
I do like the stanley v20msystem got the combi and impact absolute beast
It’s good stuff most likely the same components as the dewalt stuff anyway 👍🏻
cheers mate super handy!
Hi.. great video. I have completed Trade Test: Construction Carpentry and Certificate: Woodworking machines, what's the easiest gateway to Australia?
You need 3 years of experience before you can apply for a visa ✌🏻
Hello mate, i have a few questions if you wouldn't mind, I'm currently 17, and set to finish my lvl 2 carpenter course which is 18 months, is it worth doing the lvl 3 afterwards? Also, how many years experience do i need on site to become a carpenter in Australia?, wanting to get there asap, English weather with is killing me lol, many thanks.
Hi mate, it’s always good to have your gold card I left college early and went working at a kitchen factory I had to get assessed on site for my level 2 and then I got recognition of prior learning to transfer to get my Australian qualification.
I think I needed either 5-8 years worth of work experience for permanent residency.
You could come over on a working holiday visa that also gives you more points on a visa application you can stay for 2-3 years on that
Hi pal, I am thinking of making the jump, either Sydney or Gold Coast/ Brisbane, what one will you recommend as I have spoke to someone who can offer me work in either (carpenter) also how did you get a permanent visa cheers pal
Hard choice but I like brisbane it’s not as busy, we have the Gold Coast, Sunshine Coast and all of the islands, Sydney you earn more but houses are extortionate
hey bro I hope you read this comment, but where can I read about the Government's financial help when getting my carpeting certification. Thanks heaps
Hi mate check this out, but you are best googling courses and you will find company’s that provide the training and they sort out the funds I’m doing one now with gimbal training in Brisbane
www.qld.gov.au/education/training/subsidies/check-your-eligibility
Hi mate , I’m a 22 year old fully qualified carpenter from the uk with 6 years experience in the trade, I have got my visa accepted and looking to come over in September time to Queensland, what companies are the best to look out for for possible work, could you point me in the right direction?
Depends what you want too do, if you want to earn cash then get your ABN and go self employed subcontracting but if you want finance on stuff then you will need a full employed job most pay 35-45 per hour but you get holiday pay and most offer vehicles
Somewhere along NSW coastal is great balance of beach/lifestyle/work...etc...Queensland is hot as hell in Summer...you will work it out. Goodluck.
Hey bro I have done bachelor of commerce! I want to do carpentry in Australia, Shall I have to do give cert 3 or diploma building and construction degree ??
Im not sure what your best route would be sorry noting makes sense here with regards to certifications and I am still trying to work out the best options, I am currently doing cert 4 so I can get low rise licensed
What made u make the switch and what r the pros and cons
The country is miles better, it is spotless in brisbane compared to Manchester filled with spice heads and homeless in the city centre, in the uk crime is out of control, kids in Australia are like kids not wanting to be gangsters like in the uk so I didn’t want my son getting in with the wrong crowd.
The roads are not jam packed, the weather is great , basically Australia is like the uk in the 80s, workwise the pay here is a lot better and there are far more opportunities. If you have never been to Australia have a trip and you will see the benefits, I don’t even mind paying higher taxes because all the parks are maintained the roads are in good condition and you can see where your money is going, in the uk you pay taxes the parks are wrecked, roads are full of holes, bins never get emptied and the politicians are giving their mates million pound deals, basically I can’t stand the uk anymore it is not a country for the British it is for migrants and refugees the working class get no help
Also what visa did you go for?
190 visa 👍🏻
Thanks for your quick reply mate!
do you think your wage is enough to have 2 children?
How do you mean ? Depends what your wages are coming into the house and where you live, rent can be $550-1500 per week depending where you live