The spoked wheels are actually 3,1 kg lighter than the ones on the v4s. They are also lighter than the alloys. I have ridden mine V4 Rally 16000 km and can honestly say that a full tank doesn´t make the bike feel much heavier. It´s like magic. I have previous owned KTM 1290 SA, BMW 1250 GS and Ducati V4S, so I can really compere them. Have driven all theese bikes +30000 km each and made long trips to the alps, Pyreneés and the Balkans fully loaded. The V4 Rally is superior in comparison.
@@LambChopRides I think the lighter wheels and the new suspension is the secret to the magic. If you drive "sensibly" it also have a 10% lower fuel consumption.
The Rally tank is much slimmer than the 1260 Enduro tank, yet with the same capacity. Ducati achieved that primarily by dispensing with an outer cover. From the rider’s seat, the Enduro looked very similar to the girth of the GSA. There are numerous chassis and suspension differences among the V4S, V4 Pikes Peak, and V4 Rally. The Rally has also been toughened up, making drops much less of a concern (e.g., no expensive hand guards with turn signals; the addition of metal mounted reservoirs). As for reliability, I’ve put many thousands of miles on the variants of the last two generations and on the current Pikes Peak with NO service or repair issues, and the mileage (fuel economy and tank range) is on par with the GS. The estimated range (20 liter tank) is always 223 miles, and I believe one could stretch that if needed. Just as with any high powered bike, you can shrink that range considerably if you up the pace. (There should be no difference in range between touring and sport mode. The modes have more to do with throttle mapping.) The routine service interval is now 9,000 miles, which is incredible. I traveled a lot on the 1260 Enduro, including over mountains in sleet and high winds, and never had the slightest feeling of being on the edge, or of running out of power to deal with the wind or with overtaking on uphill. That bike just ate up the miles, day in and day out. As others have noted, Ducati managed to get the weight of the larger, spoked wheels (on the Rally and on the Desert X) LOWER. They also incorporated a preload release system to make mounting, lifting off the side stand, and dismounting easier for a wider range of riders. The rally is simply an engineering tour de force.
All the pros and no cons... Have you actually rode this bike??? The mirrors are the number one thing that will either be badly damaged or completely break off on a drop why didn't they make them steel or something tougher than cheap plastic??? The CAT on this bike causes major issues between 4-6k RPM with the bike jumping back and forth this is solved just from removing the CAT. The rear brake is a joke, does almost nothing at all. No Apple CarPlay and Android Auto but instead were stuck with garbage software that is blatantly terrible. This is a 30k touring bike that doesn't come with tire pressure sensors stock, WTF??? No keyless gas cap stock so why exactly is the ignition keyless???
Yes, I have ridden and owned several variants, including the current Pikes Peak. The software interface works fine with my iPhone 14 Pro. There is no roughness or hesitation at any engine speed, as far as I can tell. The mirrors appear to be metal mounted, and could be turned inward for tough off road use. Just as with other optional equipment, the keyless fuel cap is an add-on, and is clearly delineated in the specifications. What I meant about the mirrors and hand guards is that previous generations had turn signals integrated with the hand guards which is no longer the case. Watch Big Rock Moto’s or other journalists’ videos of the two-day shakedown ride in Colorado if you want an idea of how these bikes fare off road. I’m on my third generation of Multistrada, and this one is a major step forward. I suppose the price could be a con, but it is considerably less than my last GSA, fully equipped.
It probably has more to do with the HP and torque curves. If we’re talking about basic highway cruising, you’re nowhere near the high performance portion of the range of the Multistrada. Also, I believe (not positive) the rear cylinders deactivation also works during low-load cruising. I’m getting just over 40 MPG in mixed use.
Wel.. if you have 30 liter tank, it doesn’t mean you have to fil it up all the way if you go hauling ass in the corners..🤷🏻♂️ only use the extra capacity if you go on the highway..
…sensing a lot of resisting temptation with this one, Chops. Quite some machine isn’t it. Thing is, these are/will be readily available. Your H2 isn’t… don’t do it. On a serious note though, great stuff. Really enjoying the channel. 👍👍
Interesting you repeatedly referred to it as the ultimate hooligans Adv Bike… I haven’t ridden the Rally yet, but have spent a bit of time on a V4S, and I own a 21 1290 Super Adventure S. There’s no doubt the Ducati is the more refined and luxurious bike, and though the 1290SAS blows a GS into the weeds for high speed performance and stability, the Multi is just that little bit better again (for a lot more money). But the KTM is quite a bit more raw I’d say, more playful, more of a hooligan. The Ducati isn’t so refined as to not be playful, but whilst it’s certainly easier to ride at ludicrous speeds (better brakes, suspension, that counter rotating crank all helping more here than an extra 10bhp) than the KTM, the KTM is only a few % behind in that respect but IMO the grin factor is bigger on the KTM. KTM wins hands down in the low speed handling/agility test too with its ball bag tank, making it feel almost as agile as a GS at low speed.
Few questions from an 1190 adv s owner debating which new bike to get. 1. If both bikes were same price which would get? 2. Does your 1290s wobble at any speed? 3. How does wind protection compare on mv4 vs 1290s?
@@jonasbaine3538 1. If both bikes were the same price, then I’d probably buy the Ducati. It’s the “better” bike by maybe 5%, but the reality is it’s 40% more expensive to buy and run than the KTM so I’ll keep my KTM… 2. Most of the wobble issue seems to come from loose headstock bearings, stock tyres, or too little preload. My headset bearings have been adjusted correctly, I’m on Metzeler Tourance Next 2’s, and I run 40% preload solo, 50% with luggage, and don’t get any issues, but did with the stock tyres. 3. Can’t say I noticed one being better than the other in this respect. V4S is miles better than the 1260 Multi it replaced though. Stock KTM screen isn’t amazing, but there’s loads of really good aftermarket ones or just add a Givi spoiler like I have to smooth the airflow over your helmet… 👍🏻
Nice review & a very cool bike. Looks like a another must-have bike for you to add to the list lol. This could get very expensive Chops if you're looking to get one of these & a Super Duke too.
John, you need to change your nickname from "Chopsy" to " Dropsy" 😂. In all seriousness, great content as always & thank you for your effort to bring us poor people the unaffordable bikes.
@@LambChopRides that’s also true, but there will be many times when it’s full, I don’t think there’s a man been born yet that doesn’t brim a bike every time he fills up. I understand it was a press ride and your all jumping between bikes so you get what your given, I’ve just re read my comment and it wasn’t a criticism of you, it just would have been nice to know
@@LambChopRides no but the first part of the ride with a full tank (30 liter ) on the twisty roads are unbearable. That’s why most of the GSA riders don’t fill it up more then half a tank unless they on motorways for the majority of the journey.
I do enjoy your Multi reviews. So here’s one for you, you can only have one bike in the garage and it’s between the Multistrada V4 Rally, V4S or the Pikes Peak, which one are you picking?
Chops, I am fortunate to have a GSA and an XR but I’m thinking of converting them into a Ducati Rally. I feel the rally would really be a combination of these two bikes. Am I mad or should I throw caution to the wind and try a Ducati for the first time in my life ?
So the purpose of the review was to compare the rally with the standard V4S and the main difference is a 30l tank! So you eulogise just how like the standard bike it is and mention in passing you rode it with half a tank of fuel (5 litres less than the std 20l tank) so you never tried it with the tank full and your conclusions of the differences are meaningless!
Considered a V4S before buying my Tiger (ex demo’s) I really liked the V4S but shaft drive was a must for me plus the price differential on the Ducati was a stretch too far.
i'd do it. i've tested the '21 V4S the year it came out at a ducati france event. its by far and large the best bike i've ever been on. if i had the cash i'd buy the Rally version in a heartbit. i've settled this year for a '22 890 Adv which is more in my price range. but IF i'd came upon enough, i'd sell the ktm instantly for this.
The best bike ever made, and sound better than any 1000 sport bike, amazing , Ducati made the best bike all around, best for everything, its Dream come true...
@@hangpilot1200sound alot better than 1000XR with full Akrapovic, just put full Akrapovic on V4 Rally, this bike it's crazy dam good, and I have the 3...
Agree. Had Tuono V4’s and thought they were the best bikes ever. Then I got this and it’s simply mind blowing. Can usually overtake sports riders on the twisties, pack up and do some fly fishing in remote areas or just go for a chilled ride. It’s a bullet and handles superb. Get one NOW!
There are way more differences vs the V4S than just the gas tank. - longer fork travel which provides a smoother ride - Motion-based rear cylinder deactivation which saves on gas as well as reduces heat - larger windscreen - Side scoop vents that can open/close - Sturdier Aluminum panniers …and I’m sure I’m forgetting some other things.
Elephant in the room? I’ve just spec’ed one of these up. Nothing fancy, no racing exhaust etc. but the sort of items I ticked on purchasing my GSA Adventure last year. 30 Grand!!!!!!!! I thought £21k on my GSA was steep, but £30K, that is a hell of lot of money for a motorbike. I’m sure its great, but £30k great??
Nice bike but why so much to the off road ? Who really takes these off road don't mean just boring gravel. Shame Ducati did away with the old ST4 would of been nice with updated v twin and skyhook. Guessing when two up loaded these V4s only do 30s mpg hence larger fuel tank.
Great review Chops, just got the brushed aluminum version myself and its almost perfect. Hate the hard plastic heated grips, anybody make soft rubber ones? Bike feels 100 lbs lighter than it is once rolling and hides its heft very well. Has great power and superb brakes also the suspension is as good as it gets when roads get bumpy. Great overall bike the only real flaw is it costs a kings ransom - $34,000 OTD US dollars😎
Great adventure bike but where I live this bike is 10.000,- euro's more expensive then the KTM 1290 Adventure S! That plus it uses 50% more fuel then the KTM makes this bike obsolete and is the KTM the winner. The Pikes Peak edition is a road bike, nothing allroad to it because of the 17inch wheels and single sided swinger with cast wheels.
Just seen a video of v4s done buy Knox last year and they got the fuel with standard tank best about 140 worst 100 ish so that the real reason for larger tank. My pre dvt pp ms1200 sky hook, does easy 140 two load even in Alps 👍 gutted Ducati dropped the big V twin.
Old friend, I've been thinking of replacing my trusty S1000XR and was considering this beast. Thank you for your review as I think I've made my decision.👌 (perhaps Pikes Peak 🤔🤣)
I sold my Panigale for a 1200 Enduro. On the move it was great but at low speed it felt like a penny farthing. I'm 6ft dead on and I struggled at the lights so I went back to the Panigale.
Why do these company lead riders in test videos often feel the need to ride so fast on public roads, especially when the test is of an adventure bike. We all like to push it sometimes when conditions allow but it makes me think they are just showing off. Look how good a rider I am, how fast can go!
Enjoyed the review, I think you being a big lad that extra weight it would be hardly noticeable as you said. I think if you were a small person, say eight stone dripping wet then it might be more noticeable. It really is an amazing bike though, but I still prefer my 1250 GSA,that shaft drive for me is a must. Thank you
@@LambChopRides You should arrange a 3-4 day long group ride...meet....thing for subscribers. Or anyone for that matter. Maybe a trackday, a group ride and a piss-up kinda thing. I for one would love a guided tour of british backroads, riding behind someone to remind me which side of the road to stay on. 110k subs, surely it can`t be just me who would pay for something like that
Owning a V2S I’d vouch for the stability and a glorious soundtrack, if I upgrade next time to a V4 I can live without the weight and cost of the Rallye, I’d have the V4S. But then I can use the whole engine performance of the V2, and it’s only 225kg wet with a perfect seat height for my little legs.
I had a V4s for the day when my 950 multi was in for a service. An amazing machine. The tech is fantastic. I couldn't live with the fuel consumption though. It will be interesting to see if they update the V2 with some of the V4 Tech
Great footage and content as per. I own a 1260 enduro and personally love the V2 engines characteristics over the V4 I rode as mine was in for a service . Upwards of 300 miles per fill up on the V2 enduro and i do hussle her along and slade many a sports bike in the process . Like mentioned above a few times there sports bikes on stilts !!
I had a look at one of these before I bought the Tiger but couldn't justify the +25% price premium on an already expensive bike. My thoughts were that I'd never be a good enough rider to make use of the extra 20hp and the Ducati would be even worse in the dirt than the Tiger. I also didn't think the comfort was as good as the Tiger. That motor though is a marvel.
Back in 2021, my wife and I were considering the Multistrada V4S. But now my wife wants a bike too! Have you tried the new Yamaha Tracer 9 GT + yet? I have never rode a new Tracer yet and thinking about pulling the trigger on it and a Honda CB500X for the wife. These two bikes are about equal in price with just one Multistrada.
As you know , adventure bikes are not my thing . However this bike seems to have everything that this type of bike needs and more . The engine sound track is awesome. Great video Chops .
A heavyweight masterpiece and the price to go with it! Too hefty for me and my advancing years and not something I would ride on any semi-challenging off-road☹️
I think its not just the tank capacity difference, there is a lot more changes, suspension travel, more space at the back with a longer tail section, different screen, centre stand as standard bla bla
Seriously? Why would you want to ride an adventure bike like a hooligan? They are not designed for riding to the max, but mile munching across all terrain, well nearly all terrain.
Depends what you want from a motorcycle. Some want comfort, distance ability & something sporty to do it on! Yes other sports touring bikes can do that too but adventure bikes offer the most comfortable riding position imo
@Retirement_Life why would you not want to…? They are epic fun! Like a Super Naked on stilts, but far more comfortable too… With modern Adv Bikes like the Multi V4, 1290SA, Tiger 1200 etc… You can have your cake and eat it basically!
Was good to see what you thought of the Rally version of v4s , thought it would suit you sir. It was partly your review of the multi v4s , that swayed me in buying v4 pikes peak last august, on my trip to ManxGP last week it was 1 year old and I’ve put 10200 miles on pike. It’s a marvellous thing, practical,panniers in go to Isle of Man , panniers off let’s do track day , I love it . Comfy ,heated everything ,and mental. 😍. Looking fed to you riding PP V4 . 👍
When you do , needs lot more preload on rear ,and I set r shock to two up ,I’m 12 stone and 5ft9, I also dropped forks 5mm ,so it’s more on front end but keep it comfy. My pp is constantly in the twistiest roads where I live on west coast Scotland, apart from the odd blatt on motorway to say ferry terminals. Chris’s 44 teeth review of pp was great ,I totally understand where he’s coming from in saying that maybe my bike needs slightly stiffer spring in rear? I also didn’t like the feeling of squat when first had the bike but I’ve dialled most of it out for let’s say fast road riding . Hope to see you review pp soon, if I lived nearer you could have go on mine young man. All the best stay safe. 👍🏴
@@markpeter107 I’m glad to hear that. Often it seems Ducati increase the height of their bikes in order to increase ground clearance. That’s a shame since it cuts down on the number of people who can own their bikes. The other issue is cost…
No it was half full, unfortunately I wasn't in charge of fueling. But had same amount as V4S. But it's not going to have over 20 litres in for very long it's a V4! 😅
@@LambChopRides very true, just wondered if you could feel any difference with the extra litres! Another reason to do another test ride….as if you needed one! 🤣
I like the idea of these adventure bikes but they are all just so big. I’m 5’8’’ which isn’t that small but standing alongside their height, weight and bulk is intimidating.
But these are the bikes bigger, no so young anymore guys like chopsy and myself find a comfortable stance on. (1m90, 120 kgs, 57 years old, riding the XR for a daily)
Watch @usernamekate review of the 1290 Super Adventure… She’s 5ft4… It’s a non issue on most of these bikes as long as you’re a confident rider… I’m 5ft10 and run the seat in the high position on my 1290SA, I prefer a taller more commanding position and am happy only getting one foot down (and tiptoes at that) at traffic lights… I don’t see the need to double flat foot myself…
I'm 5'8" w/ a 30" inseam. The V4S fits me (standard seat position). How you plan to use your bike and the types of roads you will ride on, etc. are also factors in choosing a 'large' adventure bike or a smaller one. Adventure bikes, the next 'size' down, are way more than adequate, sensible and in many cases, the better choice. Cheers.
Throughout the video I could help wondering why on bikes with hydraulic clutches, is the clutch reservoir smaller than the brake reservoir, could I use the small one on my front brake setup! 🤔😁
Maybe as the brake pads wear, you need the extra capacity of fluid? That wouldn't be required for the clutch with less thickness of material to wear meaning less piston travel?
@@trevorphillips3055 maybe is something to do with it, but the diaphragm for one never can fill the whole reservoir, not even close. And also you can top it up and reset the diaphragm, as you should! Some people use it as a wear indicator, but it's purpose is to keep pressure and prevent air getting into the system as a seal.
@HalfdeadRider I get you and know what the diaphragm is for. It might work for you if you're going to top up the fluid level, but there are people that don't. From a safety point, it needs to hold sufficient fluid.
@@trevorphillips3055 As I said it doesn't even come close to filling the space, this is so there is still sufficient fluid. Buuut! look at your rear brake reservoir 🤔😁
Hi Chopsi. Great Video and one that I've been waiting for because I have a 1250 GSA and I like it and hate it at the same time! I'm really looking for an alternative and I'd appreciate your help. Bear in mind that what you say ,(no pressure) is what I am going to do. Should I swap my BMW R1250 GSA out for the Ducati Multistrada V4S Rally? Would You?
Why don't any reviewers talk about reliability? If I'm buy any bike that is one of my chief concerns. Especially in a country like Ireland, where a trip to the dealer would be a five hour round trip to Dublin.
Because we don't know.. you only know that by owning a motorcycle and every manufacturer has some horror story out there on the Internet. My personal view is Ducati are one of the best on reliability, I would have no issues buying one. I also think the dealers deal with problems very well. Just my thoughts on the matter but nothing really to back that up other than stories you hear like everyone else 👍
180 mile v4s fully loaded with passenger 280 mile v4 rally fully loaded with passenger Had v4s switched to v4 rally ,, In short the greatest adv touring bike ever if u have the money buy it blindly😊.
Does it really matter if it is or isn't at its peak price? Depends what's more valued to you...the money or the feeling it gives you in ownership/ riding/ having in your garage.
The spoked wheels are actually 3,1 kg lighter than the ones on the v4s. They are also lighter than the alloys. I have ridden mine V4 Rally 16000 km and can honestly say that a full tank doesn´t make the bike feel much heavier. It´s like magic. I have previous owned KTM 1290 SA, BMW 1250 GS and Ducati V4S, so I can really compere them. Have driven all theese bikes +30000 km each and made long trips to the alps, Pyreneés and the Balkans fully loaded. The V4 Rally is superior in comparison.
Interesting on the wheels 👍
@@LambChopRides I think the lighter wheels and the new suspension is the secret to the magic. If you drive "sensibly" it also have a 10% lower fuel consumption.
The Rally tank is much slimmer than the 1260 Enduro tank, yet with the same capacity. Ducati achieved that primarily by dispensing with an outer cover. From the rider’s seat, the Enduro looked very similar to the girth of the GSA. There are numerous chassis and suspension differences among the V4S, V4 Pikes Peak, and V4 Rally. The Rally has also been toughened up, making drops much less of a concern (e.g., no expensive hand guards with turn signals; the addition of metal mounted reservoirs). As for reliability, I’ve put many thousands of miles on the variants of the last two generations and on the current Pikes Peak with NO service or repair issues, and the mileage (fuel economy and tank range) is on par with the GS. The estimated range (20 liter tank) is always 223 miles, and I believe one could stretch that if needed. Just as with any high powered bike, you can shrink that range considerably if you up the pace. (There should be no difference in range between touring and sport mode. The modes have more to do with throttle mapping.) The routine service interval is now 9,000 miles, which is incredible. I traveled a lot on the 1260 Enduro, including over mountains in sleet and high winds, and never had the slightest feeling of being on the edge, or of running out of power to deal with the wind or with overtaking on uphill. That bike just ate up the miles, day in and day out. As others have noted, Ducati managed to get the weight of the larger, spoked wheels (on the Rally and on the Desert X) LOWER. They also incorporated a preload release system to make mounting, lifting off the side stand, and dismounting easier for a wider range of riders. The rally is simply an engineering tour de force.
All the pros and no cons... Have you actually rode this bike??? The mirrors are the number one thing that will either be badly damaged or completely break off on a drop why didn't they make them steel or something tougher than cheap plastic??? The CAT on this bike causes major issues between 4-6k RPM with the bike jumping back and forth this is solved just from removing the CAT. The rear brake is a joke, does almost nothing at all. No Apple CarPlay and Android Auto but instead were stuck with garbage software that is blatantly terrible. This is a 30k touring bike that doesn't come with tire pressure sensors stock, WTF??? No keyless gas cap stock so why exactly is the ignition keyless???
Yes, I have ridden and owned several variants, including the current Pikes Peak. The software interface works fine with my iPhone 14 Pro. There is no roughness or hesitation at any engine speed, as far as I can tell. The mirrors appear to be metal mounted, and could be turned inward for tough off road use. Just as with other optional equipment, the keyless fuel cap is an add-on, and is clearly delineated in the specifications. What I meant about the mirrors and hand guards is that previous generations had turn signals integrated with the hand guards which is no longer the case. Watch Big Rock Moto’s or other journalists’ videos of the two-day shakedown ride in Colorado if you want an idea of how these bikes fare off road. I’m on my third generation of Multistrada, and this one is a major step forward. I suppose the price could be a con, but it is considerably less than my last GSA, fully equipped.
I like this bike, but i find it hard to believe its fuel economy is the same as the GS having way more power more like a sports bike?
It probably has more to do with the HP and torque curves. If we’re talking about basic highway cruising, you’re nowhere near the high performance portion of the range of the Multistrada. Also, I believe (not positive) the rear cylinders deactivation also works during low-load cruising. I’m getting just over 40 MPG in mixed use.
why does dealer say the v4s does not come with the minimum preload
Great video, well that confirmed one thing, at 5' 6" I shall not be getting one ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
Each to their own but I’m not a huge fan of these massive adventure bikes. As 90% won’t leave the UK or see a dirt track anyway. 🤔
Ride one… I wasn’t either, until I rode one… They’re just so much better than anything else on the road for most typical UK riding I find!
@@riggsyb As I said, each to their own 🤓
Wel.. if you have 30 liter tank, it doesn’t mean you have to fil it up all the way if you go hauling ass in the corners..🤷🏻♂️ only use the extra capacity if you go on the highway..
…sensing a lot of resisting temptation with this one, Chops. Quite some machine isn’t it. Thing is, these are/will be readily available. Your H2 isn’t… don’t do it. On a serious note though, great stuff. Really enjoying the channel. 👍👍
It's a fantastic machine and testing Pikes Peak version soon too! Must be strong and resist! 🤪
The Pikes Peak has the 17" wheels and single sided swing arm. You're going to love it !
I know that's what I'm afraid of! 😅
Interesting you repeatedly referred to it as the ultimate hooligans Adv Bike… I haven’t ridden the Rally yet, but have spent a bit of time on a V4S, and I own a 21 1290 Super Adventure S. There’s no doubt the Ducati is the more refined and luxurious bike, and though the 1290SAS blows a GS into the weeds for high speed performance and stability, the Multi is just that little bit better again (for a lot more money). But the KTM is quite a bit more raw I’d say, more playful, more of a hooligan. The Ducati isn’t so refined as to not be playful, but whilst it’s certainly easier to ride at ludicrous speeds (better brakes, suspension, that counter rotating crank all helping more here than an extra 10bhp) than the KTM, the KTM is only a few % behind in that respect but IMO the grin factor is bigger on the KTM. KTM wins hands down in the low speed handling/agility test too with its ball bag tank, making it feel almost as agile as a GS at low speed.
I did a back to back with the 1290 Adventure and others. Your right 1290 is more raw but I found the V4S the best handling package
Few questions from an 1190 adv s owner debating which new bike to get. 1. If both bikes were same price which would get? 2. Does your 1290s wobble at any speed? 3. How does wind protection compare on mv4 vs 1290s?
@@jonasbaine3538 1. If both bikes were the same price, then I’d probably buy the Ducati. It’s the “better” bike by maybe 5%, but the reality is it’s 40% more expensive to buy and run than the KTM so I’ll keep my KTM… 2. Most of the wobble issue seems to come from loose headstock bearings, stock tyres, or too little preload. My headset bearings have been adjusted correctly, I’m on Metzeler Tourance Next 2’s, and I run 40% preload solo, 50% with luggage, and don’t get any issues, but did with the stock tyres. 3. Can’t say I noticed one being better than the other in this respect. V4S is miles better than the 1260 Multi it replaced though. Stock KTM screen isn’t amazing, but there’s loads of really good aftermarket ones or just add a Givi spoiler like I have to smooth the airflow over your helmet… 👍🏻
So definitely one for the shortlist to replace the s1000xr when it hits 100k next spring.
Nice review & a very cool bike. Looks like a another must-have bike for you to add to the list lol. This could get very expensive Chops if you're looking to get one of these & a Super Duke too.
Did you try the Desert X again?- I know you rode it a year ago. Im starting to get annoyed that the Rocket can't go in the sand.
Haha no I haven't,but your right I should do.. 👍
Adventure bikes still look like a proper old man's machine, but this one is the least old man of all the old man bikes.
« Trying to be sensible » 😅 Sorry Chopsy, it’s a fail #hooligan 😂 « I’m going to jail » sounds more realistic 🤣
"An adventure bike sat up my dirt box" best line I've ever heard from a bike reviewer :)
John, you need to change your nickname from "Chopsy" to " Dropsy" 😂.
In all seriousness, great content as always & thank you for your effort to bring us poor people the unaffordable bikes.
To test the 30 litre tank vs the 20 litre tank, I think I’d have put an amount of fuel in greater than 20 litres
Absolutely 👍 what’s the point comparing the two bikes without the full capacity of fuel ?? ??! Anther 15 liter would make a hell of a difference!!
That's true but unfortunately I wasn't fueling them. But its not going to have over 20 litres in all the time! 😁
@@LambChopRides that’s also true, but there will be many times when it’s full, I don’t think there’s a man been born yet that doesn’t brim a bike every time he fills up.
I understand it was a press ride and your all jumping between bikes so you get what your given, I’ve just re read my comment and it wasn’t a criticism of you, it just would have been nice to know
@@LambChopRides no but the first part of the ride with a full tank (30 liter ) on the twisty roads are unbearable. That’s why most of the GSA riders don’t fill it up more then half a tank unless they on motorways for the majority of the journey.
It's a first ride with limiting factors. That can be tested in a more comprehensive review.
I do enjoy your Multi reviews. So here’s one for you, you can only have one bike in the garage and it’s between the Multistrada V4 Rally, V4S or the Pikes Peak, which one are you picking?
Magnificent machine, thanks for the review , and Ducati for inviting Chopsie .
Chops, I am fortunate to have a GSA and an XR but I’m thinking of converting them into a Ducati Rally. I feel the rally would really be a combination of these two bikes. Am I mad or should I throw caution to the wind and try a Ducati for the first time in my life ?
So the purpose of the review was to compare the rally with the standard V4S and the main difference is a 30l tank!
So you eulogise just how like the standard bike it is and mention in passing you rode it with half a tank of fuel (5 litres less than the std 20l tank) so you never tried it with the tank full and your conclusions of the differences are meaningless!
Nice bikes but would not like to drop them in S African dirt conditions(Or spain type),otherwisw a great touring bike.Thks.
Fantastic review the sound is just awesome, the lead rider wasn't messing about hoonage on a big old adventure bike ❤️ it! 👍
Considered a V4S before buying my Tiger (ex demo’s) I really liked the V4S but shaft drive was a must for me plus the price differential on the Ducati was a stretch too far.
Im afraid of actually test riding one ..I think I’d be walking away with one 🤔..
i'd do it. i've tested the '21 V4S the year it came out at a ducati france event. its by far and large the best bike i've ever been on. if i had the cash i'd buy the Rally version in a heartbit. i've settled this year for a '22 890 Adv which is more in my price range. but IF i'd came upon enough, i'd sell the ktm instantly for this.
You need to try the V4S Pikes Peak Multi. Strictly Road, it flys. 490 lbs dry weight
Hopefully got one in September for a couple of weeks 🤞
@@LambChopRides You will love it.
471 lb. 2 lb less than the ktm 1290 SAS (2018 at least)
The dropping suspension is also available in the latest software upgrade on older multi V4s
why are dealers telling me the v4s has not got it?
The best bike ever made, and sound better than any 1000 sport bike, amazing , Ducati made the best bike all around, best for everything, its Dream come true...
Sounds better than a S1000XR w/ Akropovic screaming to 12k!? I sir, must respectfully disagree! ;-)
My SFv4s grey Nero says hold my beer
I have one Sreetfighter V4S, and S1000xr so i know better than any one.@markholmes5695
@@hangpilot1200sound alot better than 1000XR with full Akrapovic, just put full Akrapovic on V4 Rally, this bike it's crazy dam good, and I have the 3...
Agree. Had Tuono V4’s and thought they were the best bikes ever. Then I got this and it’s simply mind blowing. Can usually overtake sports riders on the twisties, pack up and do some fly fishing in remote areas or just go for a chilled ride. It’s a bullet and handles superb. Get one NOW!
Standard has a 22 litre tank not 20
I already have it ordered!
There are way more differences vs the V4S than just the gas tank.
- longer fork travel which provides a smoother ride
- Motion-based rear cylinder deactivation which saves on gas as well as reduces heat
- larger windscreen
- Side scoop vents that can open/close
- Sturdier Aluminum panniers
…and I’m sure I’m forgetting some other things.
v4s has rear cylinder deact
it does not come from the factory that way. The older ones you have to get it through a software update. All the other differences still stand.
Great review, recently test rode one. Incredible bike and definitely the one for me !
What a riveting review and what a bike. Absolutely brilliant. That Scrambler rider wasn't exactly hanging about either!
No he wasn't! 🤪👍
Chopsie, roll the intro on a pikes peak.
Dat induction bark sounds too good. Full akra is still pretty quiet.
Yes soon hopefully, test ride anyway! 😁👍
@@LambChopRidesjust come visit and ride mine 😂
Have Ducati finally hit the ultimate do it all road bike?
Yes quite possibly! 👍
@@LambChopRidesDamn, I might actually have to test one myself. I thought that bike was a unicorn.
I need to find my nearest Ducati dealer
i love my multistrada v4s but i’d love the rally tank
Elephant in the room? I’ve just spec’ed one of these up. Nothing fancy, no racing exhaust etc. but the sort of items I ticked on purchasing my GSA Adventure last year. 30 Grand!!!!!!!! I thought £21k on my GSA was steep, but £30K, that is a hell of lot of money for a motorbike. I’m sure its great, but £30k great??
Nice bike but why so much to the off road ? Who really takes these off road don't mean just boring gravel. Shame Ducati did away with the old ST4 would of been nice with updated v twin and skyhook. Guessing when two up loaded these V4s only do 30s mpg hence larger fuel tank.
Great review Chops, just got the brushed aluminum version myself and its almost perfect. Hate the hard plastic heated grips, anybody make soft rubber ones? Bike feels 100 lbs lighter than it is once rolling and hides its heft very well. Has great power and superb brakes also the suspension is as good as it gets when roads get bumpy. Great overall bike the only real flaw is it costs a kings ransom - $34,000 OTD US dollars😎
Great adventure bike but where I live this bike is 10.000,- euro's more expensive then the KTM 1290 Adventure S! That plus it uses 50% more fuel then the KTM makes this bike obsolete and is the KTM the winner. The Pikes Peak edition is a road bike, nothing allroad to it because of the 17inch wheels and single sided swinger with cast wheels.
Great review! Epic motorcycle!
Just seen a video of v4s done buy Knox last year and they got the fuel with standard tank best about 140 worst 100 ish so that the real reason for larger tank. My pre dvt pp ms1200 sky hook, does easy 140 two load even in Alps 👍 gutted Ducati dropped the big V twin.
Old friend, I've been thinking of replacing my trusty S1000XR and was considering this beast. Thank you for your review as I think I've made my decision.👌 (perhaps Pikes Peak 🤔🤣)
Man, that V4 drone coming from the bike is beautiful. 👌
Gorgeous isn't it!
I sold my Panigale for a 1200 Enduro. On the move it was great but at low speed it felt like a penny farthing. I'm 6ft dead on and I struggled at the lights so I went back to the Panigale.
Why do these company lead riders in test videos often feel the need to ride so fast on public roads, especially when the test is of an adventure bike. We all like to push it sometimes when conditions allow but it makes me think they are just showing off. Look how good a rider I am, how fast can go!
That's an impressive machine!
Enjoyed the review, I think you being a big lad that extra weight it would be hardly noticeable as you said. I think if you were a small person, say eight stone dripping wet then it might be more noticeable. It really is an amazing bike though, but I still prefer my 1250 GSA,that shaft drive for me is a must. Thank you
All it needs is a shaft drive then it would be almost perfect
Why is shaft drive preferable?
sick of chain maintainance or the faff of oilers@@DMRMOTORSPORT
So beautiful there with the small villages and roads with lots of twists and turns.
Yes lovely around there
@@LambChopRides You should arrange a 3-4 day long group ride...meet....thing for subscribers. Or anyone for that matter. Maybe a trackday, a group ride and a piss-up kinda thing. I for one would love a guided tour of british backroads, riding behind someone to remind me which side of the road to stay on. 110k subs, surely it can`t be just me who would pay for something like that
Owning a V2S I’d vouch for the stability and a glorious soundtrack, if I upgrade next time to a V4 I can live without the weight and cost of the Rallye, I’d have the V4S. But then I can use the whole engine performance of the V2, and it’s only 225kg wet with a perfect seat height for my little legs.
I had a V4s for the day when my 950 multi was in for a service. An amazing machine. The tech is fantastic. I couldn't live with the fuel consumption though. It will be interesting to see if they update the V2 with some of the V4 Tech
Great footage and content as per. I own a 1260 enduro and personally love the V2 engines characteristics over the V4 I rode as mine was in for a service . Upwards of 300 miles per fill up on the V2 enduro and i do hussle her along and slade many a sports bike in the process . Like mentioned above a few times there sports bikes on stilts !!
I had a look at one of these before I bought the Tiger but couldn't justify the +25% price premium on an already expensive bike. My thoughts were that I'd never be a good enough rider to make use of the extra 20hp and the Ducati would be even worse in the dirt than the Tiger. I also didn't think the comfort was as good as the Tiger. That motor though is a marvel.
Great job.
Nice review. I don’t think it’s good enough to take me away from the BMW XR
Back in 2021, my wife and I were considering the Multistrada V4S. But now my wife wants a bike too! Have you tried the new Yamaha Tracer 9 GT + yet? I have never rode a new Tracer yet and thinking about pulling the trigger on it and a Honda CB500X for the wife. These two bikes are about equal in price with just one Multistrada.
No not yet, hopefully soon 👍
As you know , adventure bikes are not my thing . However this bike seems to have everything that this type of bike needs and more . The engine sound track is awesome. Great video Chops .
Ducati mpg is classically Italian hence the need for a larger tank.
Great review. Enjoy your style on the vids. Thanks for content.
The scaffolding for the panniers on the rally are hard to look at
Looked at home sitting across from the Massey Ferguson !
My question is would rather have this or the Ktm Super Duke ?
I've ridden the pikes peak and the ktm superduke GT and although the Ducati is a beaut, I'd still choose the ktm 🙂
not a fan of having to fork 1k more for electronics. KTM are really asshats for this, but whatever float your boat, engine difference count as well.
The GT you mean? Hmm tough, probably this as more comfortable position
@@LambChopRideseven after you did the work on the KTM you sold after all you do seem to get bored and sell with regrets later on
I would rather have a Super Duke (none GT) as I don't need an Adventure Bike or big miles tourer. But thought you were talking about GT Superduke 👍
I got average 42.8 mpg on my V4S multi and that’s with full panniers and top box plus pillion but I only use 98/99 super unleaded.
"I 'ope not...or I'm going to jail!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
A heavyweight masterpiece and the price to go with it! Too hefty for me and my advancing years and not something I would ride on any semi-challenging off-road☹️
Yeah its rather pricey!! 😅👍
Nah. Choppsy this is too tooo tooooooooo thirsty.
LCR eyeing that Hyper RVE!
I think its not just the tank capacity difference, there is a lot more changes, suspension travel, more space at the back with a longer tail section, different screen, centre stand as standard bla bla
Yes correct 👍
Beautiful bike....but boy is it expensive. I would hate to drop it in the dirt.
Yes indeed.. but so good!
Seriously? Why would you want to ride an adventure bike like a hooligan? They are not designed for riding to the max, but mile munching across all terrain, well nearly all terrain.
Depends what you want from a motorcycle. Some want comfort, distance ability & something sporty to do it on! Yes other sports touring bikes can do that too but adventure bikes offer the most comfortable riding position imo
@Retirement_Life why would you not want to…? They are epic fun! Like a Super Naked on stilts, but far more comfortable too… With modern Adv Bikes like the Multi V4, 1290SA, Tiger 1200 etc… You can have your cake and eat it basically!
Was good to see what you thought of the Rally version of v4s , thought it would suit you sir. It was partly your review of the multi v4s , that swayed me in buying v4 pikes peak last august, on my trip to ManxGP last week it was 1 year old and I’ve put 10200 miles on pike. It’s a marvellous thing, practical,panniers in go to Isle of Man , panniers off let’s do track day , I love it . Comfy ,heated everything ,and mental. 😍. Looking fed to you riding PP V4 . 👍
It's fantastic isn't it, can't wait to try the PP 😁👍
@@LambChopRides like riding in a bubble of calm, now who said that🤔😊👍
When you do , needs lot more preload on rear ,and I set r shock to two up ,I’m 12 stone and 5ft9, I also dropped forks 5mm ,so it’s more on front end but keep it comfy. My pp is constantly in the twistiest roads where I live on west coast Scotland, apart from the odd blatt on motorway to say ferry terminals. Chris’s 44 teeth review of pp was great ,I totally understand where he’s coming from in saying that maybe my bike needs slightly stiffer spring in rear? I also didn’t like the feeling of squat when first had the bike but I’ve dialled most of it out for let’s say fast road riding . Hope to see you review pp soon, if I lived nearer you could have go on mine young man. All the best stay safe. 👍🏴
One question: What is that bike just out of shot in the intro? @0:44
My goodness, that's a sexy ass. Not yours Chops, the bike.
Monster SP I think 👍
@@LambChopRides Thanks chopsy
At 5’8 am I any chance of being able to ride one of these without a portable foldout stepladder?
Test rode one. I’m also 5’8” and i was pleasantly surprised… wasn’t as much of an issue.
@@markpeter107 I’m glad to hear that. Often it seems Ducati increase the height of their bikes in order to increase ground clearance. That’s a shame since it cuts down on the number of people who can own their bikes. The other issue is cost…
Chopsy, did you ride the Rally on a full 30ltr tank?
No it was half full, unfortunately I wasn't in charge of fueling. But had same amount as V4S. But it's not going to have over 20 litres in for very long it's a V4! 😅
@@LambChopRides very true, just wondered if you could feel any difference with the extra litres!
Another reason to do another test ride….as if you needed one! 🤣
I like the idea of these adventure bikes but they are all just so big. I’m 5’8’’ which isn’t that small but standing alongside their height, weight and bulk is intimidating.
But these are the bikes bigger, no so young anymore guys like chopsy and myself find a comfortable stance on. (1m90, 120 kgs, 57 years old, riding the XR for a daily)
Watch @usernamekate review of the 1290 Super Adventure… She’s 5ft4… It’s a non issue on most of these bikes as long as you’re a confident rider…
I’m 5ft10 and run the seat in the high position on my 1290SA, I prefer a taller more commanding position and am happy only getting one foot down (and tiptoes at that) at traffic lights… I don’t see the need to double flat foot myself…
I'm 5'8" w/ a 30" inseam. The V4S fits me (standard seat position). How you plan to use your bike and the types of roads you will ride on, etc. are also factors in choosing a 'large' adventure bike or a smaller one. Adventure bikes, the next 'size' down, are way more than adequate, sensible and in many cases, the better choice. Cheers.
Throughout the video I could help wondering why on bikes with hydraulic clutches, is the clutch reservoir smaller than the brake reservoir, could I use the small one on my front brake setup! 🤔😁
Maybe as the brake pads wear, you need the extra capacity of fluid? That wouldn't be required for the clutch with less thickness of material to wear meaning less piston travel?
@@trevorphillips3055 maybe is something to do with it, but the diaphragm for one never can fill the whole reservoir, not even close. And also you can top it up and reset the diaphragm, as you should!
Some people use it as a wear indicator, but it's purpose is to keep pressure and prevent air getting into the system as a seal.
@HalfdeadRider I get you and know what the diaphragm is for. It might work for you if you're going to top up the fluid level, but there are people that don't. From a safety point, it needs to hold sufficient fluid.
Great explanation Trevor, plus as the fluid gets hot more expansion space??
@@trevorphillips3055 As I said it doesn't even come close to filling the space, this is so there is still sufficient fluid. Buuut! look at your rear brake reservoir 🤔😁
Cylinder deactivation i would say if also main defrent!
Yes but none Rally has that too now 👍
@@LambChopRidesno it doesn't only rallye and diavel have cylinder deactivation. V4s and V4s grand tour is standard.
Thanks
Thanks buddy 👍 I've got the Pikes Peak with me now so review coming soon 👍
Hi Chopsi. Great Video and one that I've been waiting for because I have a 1250 GSA and I like it and hate it at the same time! I'm really looking for an alternative and I'd appreciate your help. Bear in mind that what you say ,(no pressure) is what I am going to do. Should I swap my BMW R1250 GSA out for the Ducati Multistrada V4S Rally? Would You?
Really depends if your missing super sporty riding. The GS is more comfortable but Multi more engaging, horses for courses 👍
Why don't any reviewers talk about reliability? If I'm buy any bike that is one of my chief concerns. Especially in a country like Ireland, where a trip to the dealer would be a five hour round trip to Dublin.
4yr warranty on the multi so not an issue mostly lol
And 4 years on ktm now aswell
Because we don't know.. you only know that by owning a motorcycle and every manufacturer has some horror story out there on the Internet.
My personal view is Ducati are one of the best on reliability, I would have no issues buying one. I also think the dealers deal with problems very well.
Just my thoughts on the matter but nothing really to back that up other than stories you hear like everyone else 👍
It's a bit difficult to assess reliability on a one day test.
I'd rather have a reliable bike with a 1 year warranty than any unreliable one with 4 years.
V4S, be lucky to get 160mile. V4 Rally, 250 but 26k, nooo thanks.
180 mile v4s fully loaded with passenger
280 mile v4 rally fully loaded with passenger
Had v4s switched to v4 rally ,,
In short the greatest adv touring bike ever if u have the money buy it blindly😊.
Stunning looking bike, sounds amazing ,
Not for me the cost and the fuel consumption 😢,
Think you like it a little bit 😊
Just sell the h2 its probably at its peak
Don’t sell the H2 you would hate your self , I sold a bike that I should’ve kept and it wasn’t for the money value
No I'm not sell the H2 don't worry 😁
Does it really matter if it is or isn't at its peak price? Depends what's more valued to you...the money or the feeling it gives you in ownership/ riding/ having in your garage.