I would recommend having your intel chat separated from local (you have plenty of space on the right of your loca chat to place it), so you can keep tabs on both at the same time. Great video!
Couple of suggestions, a missile guidance computer with precision script will always out perform a target painter when solo, especially a stacking penalized and unbonused one; a nemesis with thermal torps will do mich better against the serpentis rats (although youre literally one jump away from guristas rats); you didnt factor into your isk calculation your ammunition costs and youre using quite expensive ammunition that is not worth using for ratting; the cov ops cloak is the best defensive module on a bomber, much more them the curremt router and shield extender are; despite all this is still an interestimg idea, espescially for raising adms in contested space
@@mellogo1d191 looked it up deadspace serp have different resitence then other npc serps in belts or missions Preferred damage to deal kinetic ... Kinetic damage 83% thermal ... Thermal damage 78% em ... EM damage 72% explosive ... Explosive damage 67%
Wow the comment on the calaflection catalyst vs bay loader was an eye opener! I didn't even think about ammo cost! Playing since 2006 and still learning! 😅
If you ever make a playlist with golden tips on how to make isk, this one should definately be in it. A ship that can break even with 3 tics, and can do that much dps for "only" 67m isk, lowers the barrier of trying out nul sec ratting.
I'd go with riggor rig instead of bay loading since frigs are the problem with this strategy, also standard crash is 2mil and i think over the hour it would more then pay for itself by letting you get your damage onto bigger targets faster. I would also experiment with 1 tp 1 missle computer, 1 mgc 2 rigors gets exposion radius down to 145. But need a pwg impant. But even one rigor is 160ish it should let you consistently 2 and 3 shot the frigs. Also considering you dont need tank id love to see you drop the shield extender have dual tp 1 mcu and fit a bomb launcher and use a bomb per site :) full try hard lol
and one thing to consider as well. The bounty risk modifier is at 200% that's why your getting that tick, try it in a 100% brm system. your tick wont be that high.
Why are you using the manticore without the covert ops cloak and you have the room to fit it? It doesn't affect your targeting speed so there's no reason not to run one.
@@markleitch9932 Only requires to switch to a compact target painter and it'll fit. But if he's doing ratting in a system with stations where he can refit, doesn't really need the covert ops. You can't activate it if you're being targeted by rats anyway. I have one in mine so I can fly around nullsec safely.
@@mellogo1d191 because you would take too much damage. This works because the rats turret's can't track you. Missiles from Guristas would do enough damage to ruin your day.
I tried this fit with great excitement and spent a lot of money. But the result was disappointing because torpedoes cannot hit them because frigates constantly appear in the havens and all the equipment is wasted. 2 target painters don't work either...
Well looks nice, but it´s crap for the most ppl. For that you need a "save" 00, otherwise you could be plobed instant out of your ship. Well there is doing Dread Sites with Eskalation chance mutch better and saver!
@@supersand7502 yes I know some people try to go in with a cheap ship to minimize loss but I was just curious what the ticks would look like with a barghest
I've dropped the shield extendor for mgc and anc rig for flare 2 or rigor 1, can haul two mtu and carry just barely enough ammo for two sites. Got 15mill tick
Actually the play here is do just run a bomber with your Ishtar on the same site. Faster than as solo ishtar and close to Marauder clearing speed. Just have your Ishtar drones assist your bomber.
@@Aceyface for salvaging you wanted to get noctis. It's a cool machine, but quite slow flying and more yammy for enemies. Catallist with 7 salvagers and anything for capstab and agility is a great option. That is what i use at least.
with some play around fit like polarized torps, diff rigs for application, maybe standard crash imo will do more than afk ishtar for about 2 times less price even after ammo fees
@@Ev1Lord SB pumps out a bit more dps but it lacks speed to kill frigs and cruisers. Fully T2 fit Ishtar pours out 747,4 DPS and is constant with killing speed. Heavy drones.
@@OriginalThisAndThat a bit? For me vs blood raiders its 660 ishtar and 1050 purifier, pretty decent dps upgrade. Even with 2x rigor catalyst rigs and standard crash its kinda hard to kill frigs, but about the same profit as ishtar. Im solo char player so cant actually increase profits with more windows, this way solo purifier stonks bcause of 2 times less price. For multiboxing ishtars still much more valuable
I was doing much bigger orbits, I thought it would reduce damage, but you seem to do fine at 20kms. Still puts you a bit close to the warpin point, aren't you worried a fast tackler can warp in and tackle you before you can align and warp out?
@@kodykj2112 yeah, my point. And Ace isn't particular good at paying attention to those things as from his videos. In this particular video I see a neut in local for a long time and he didn't even noticed him, and he has intel chat hidden, so he can't really know if someone is coming. Think it's just a matter of time to get ganked like that in nullsec.
im sitting here only able to do like half ur alpha damage and dps edit: i have lvl 5 in all requireed by torp launcher besides torp specialization, which only increases fire rate, not alpha
It depends on where you rat in null tbh. In busy systems it can be ok cos enemies may be busy elsehwer. but i live in a super quiet dead end system and mtus are pretty safe. mostly
@@marifaceawl7192 He's inside his blue doughnut so he can get away with alot of things like that (for a time lol) Which okay cool but maybe explain that in your videos because less experienced people just arent going to pick up on that and if they follow what he does verbatim they're going to run into some.. difficulties.. 😊
thats the bonus for this fit though, you're fast af so dont need local (the system he is in is coalition staging so local can be 300+ easily) just watch grid as there's always nuets in there.
Game is so bad. Extremely long and boring travel time, consisting of loading screens and the occasional interdictor gank from which you have basically no way to escape from; yes there are external tools to check for kills in systems but that only makes travelling even more tediou(also someone has to be the first one to die for the tools to warn you ). Pvp basically impossible outside of FW, unless you are multiboxing gate camping or camping wormholes for hours in your 100m cloaky astero to kill a 8m ( sister probes making half the killmail ) t1 explorer ( if you can call any of this "pvp"). PvE is not rewarding at all, you need several hours of it ( with high skill ) to be able to afford a decent ship; lmao to people saying " watch a movie while ratting" if I wanted to watch a movie I wouldn't be playing a game. Exploration has been destroyed by bots, and even if it wasn't it's a repetitive boring activity with huge RNG, not to mention the cargo scanners who make you waste time scanning a site which has mostly been looted. Hauling is a joke unless you got a jump freighter ( and even then, is the payout really worth the risk and the hassle?) New player experience is sisters of eve arc followed by a 2 omega months wait in order to be able to fit a navy ship with t2 modules and loose it to rancer gankers or max skills 10y players. Just stop playing and let it die. The most fun solo gameplay of this game on youtube is a guy camping the perimeter gate with 3 accounts 8 hours a day fighting against loot stealing bots. Lmao
Completely agree with OP. Coming from someone who still has the box set and disc from launch, this game is not what the founding fathers had in mind. Micro transactions have done what micro transactions do.
I would recommend having your intel chat separated from local (you have plenty of space on the right of your loca chat to place it), so you can keep tabs on both at the same time. Great video!
yea i keep local on right and intel on left
Couple of suggestions, a missile guidance computer with precision script will always out perform a target painter when solo, especially a stacking penalized and unbonused one; a nemesis with thermal torps will do mich better against the serpentis rats (although youre literally one jump away from guristas rats); you didnt factor into your isk calculation your ammunition costs and youre using quite expensive ammunition that is not worth using for ratting; the cov ops cloak is the best defensive module on a bomber, much more them the curremt router and shield extender are; despite all this is still an interestimg idea, espescially for raising adms in contested space
Thought on dual tp with mgc + precision script and ab been testing that out today.
And isn't manticure better since serp rats are weak to kinetic primarily, and secondary to thermal
@@zonicmaganah he’s right serpentis are weak to thermal primarily and kinetic secondary - although not by much it’s like 55-45% I believe
@zonicmaga this would make sense with some explosion velocity/radius rigs, however with the existing rigs I think 2 mgc and 1 tp would be better
@@mellogo1d191 looked it up deadspace serp have different resitence then other npc serps in belts or missions
Preferred damage to deal
kinetic ... Kinetic damage 83%
thermal ... Thermal damage 78%
em ... EM damage 72%
explosive ... Explosive damage 67%
Wow the comment on the calaflection catalyst vs bay loader was an eye opener! I didn't even think about ammo cost! Playing since 2006 and still learning! 😅
If you ever make a playlist with golden tips on how to make isk, this one should definately be in it. A ship that can break even with 3 tics, and can do that much dps for "only" 67m isk, lowers the barrier of trying out nul sec ratting.
since you're really not getting hit... wouldn't polarized torps double the tick?
Yup it'll be better in clearing and consider using bomb launcher too
Great idea, probably will mention it to corp mates to help with adm
I'd go with riggor rig instead of bay loading since frigs are the problem with this strategy, also standard crash is 2mil and i think over the hour it would more then pay for itself by letting you get your damage onto bigger targets faster. I would also experiment with 1 tp 1 missle computer, 1 mgc 2 rigors gets exposion radius down to 145. But need a pwg impant. But even one rigor is 160ish it should let you consistently 2 and 3 shot the frigs. Also considering you dont need tank id love to see you drop the shield extender have dual tp 1 mcu and fit a bomb launcher and use a bomb per site :) full try hard lol
and one thing to consider as well. The bounty risk modifier is at 200% that's why your getting that tick, try it in a 100% brm system. your tick wont be that high.
Why are you using the manticore without the covert ops cloak and you have the room to fit it? It doesn't affect your targeting speed so there's no reason not to run one.
if you follow this fit there isin't enough CPU for the covops cloak although for travelling switching off a single torp launcher you can use a cloak
with lvl 5 skills after swapping to a 2nd tp it isn't reduced enough to fit one?@@markleitch9932
@@markleitch9932 Only requires to switch to a compact target painter and it'll fit. But if he's doing ratting in a system with stations where he can refit, doesn't really need the covert ops. You can't activate it if you're being targeted by rats anyway. I have one in mine so I can fly around nullsec safely.
YAY! MANTICORE is my FAVORITE!
Hello, Great video but I am confused.
How did you make 3 launchers only use 1 launch button? Never seen that before, thanks.
there is a button on the left of the launchers that groups them all together so you only have to hit one button to shoot all 3
@@mclucus814 Thank you very much for the fast reply and help..
Unexpected! I really should try it.
this wouldnt work for gurista right because of missiles dont go off tracking?
Of course it would work on guristas too - why wouldn’t it ..?!
@@mellogo1d191 because you would take too much damage. This works because the rats turret's can't track you. Missiles from Guristas would do enough damage to ruin your day.
and 60M bounty on the Dread that spawns :D but the problem is its pretty strong....
I tried this fit with great excitement and spent a lot of money. But the result was disappointing because torpedoes cannot hit them because frigates constantly appear in the havens and all the equipment is wasted. 2 target painters don't work either...
Still rather use a nyx or a marauder for those tic rates. I miss the good old days of titan ratting
Is it possible to use the same fit in a nemesis but with inferno torps because serpentis takes thermal and kinetic damage.
would i just swap out to kinetics and kinetic tank for guristas?
Well looks nice, but it´s crap for the most ppl.
For that you need a "save" 00, otherwise you could be plobed instant out of your ship.
Well there is doing Dread Sites with Eskalation chance mutch better and saver!
If a manticore with 3 torpedo slot can bring in that much isk, maybe you can try ratting with a torpedo barghest to see what that brings in
The whole point of this fit is if you lose a ship due too a gank you lose half a hour of ratting vs 20
@@supersand7502 yes I know some people try to go in with a cheap ship to minimize loss but I was just curious what the ticks would look like with a barghest
I've dropped the shield extendor for mgc and anc rig for flare 2 or rigor 1, can haul two mtu and carry just barely enough ammo for two sites. Got 15mill tick
can it speed tank a capital rat
Hi Ace nice video thx. I am in sansha space could a hound also work? what is opinion?
work only serpentis.
@@olegivanov9607 why?
wish this game didnt require an endless wallet and thousands of hours to be in a position to have fun. feelsbadman.
It doesn't if you're not just making bad decisions and losing isk left and right.
Ishtar is just way faster. Cool idea though. Tested it out.
Actually the play here is do just run a bomber with your Ishtar on the same site. Faster than as solo ishtar and close to Marauder clearing speed. Just have your Ishtar drones assist your bomber.
Cargo space is a problem with using a SB. Especially if you are using MTU's.
Its working in Guristas haven too?I think nope.
Catalist full of salvagers is a safer choice.
How do you mean?
@@Aceyface for salvaging you wanted to get noctis. It's a cool machine, but quite slow flying and more yammy for enemies.
Catallist with 7 salvagers and anything for capstab and agility is a great option. That is what i use at least.
The Hecate is best for that role.
Is it possible to use the hound for the same job?
im in angel space this would be possible with a hound ?
Ishtar doing 13-14mil per tick with heavy drones, no ammo fees, t2 fit.
with some play around fit like polarized torps, diff rigs for application, maybe standard crash imo will do more than afk ishtar for about 2 times less price even after ammo fees
@@Ev1Lord I can test, I have max skills for everything with SBs and torps. But I doubt it will be easier..
@@Ev1Lord SB pumps out a bit more dps but it lacks speed to kill frigs and cruisers. Fully T2 fit Ishtar pours out 747,4 DPS and is constant with killing speed. Heavy drones.
@@OriginalThisAndThat a bit? For me vs blood raiders its 660 ishtar and 1050 purifier, pretty decent dps upgrade. Even with 2x rigor catalyst rigs and standard crash its kinda hard to kill frigs, but about the same profit as ishtar. Im solo char player so cant actually increase profits with more windows, this way solo purifier stonks bcause of 2 times less price. For multiboxing ishtars still much more valuable
@@Ev1Lord why so low dps in Ishtar? Did you calculate expenses out while comparing or just adding dps?
How is it showing you that much dps for me its like 531 dps without implants
i can run this without the current router and swapped it out for a warhead flare catalyst 1 for hitting the small stuff more effectively
Can this be done with nemesis?
Is it a L4 or L3 site?
wierd watching this...when yesterday i destroyed that keepstar...
Did you warp off without your MTU?
he make bookmark on it )
I was doing much bigger orbits, I thought it would reduce damage, but you seem to do fine at 20kms. Still puts you a bit close to the warpin point, aren't you worried a fast tackler can warp in and tackle you before you can align and warp out?
bigger orbits will increase damage it's obvious
That happened to me yesterday. Mid fight got warped in on & destroyed real fast
@@Xianenbergnot that obvious, will increase damage to whom?
@@kodykj2112 yeah, my point. And Ace isn't particular good at paying attention to those things as from his videos. In this particular video I see a neut in local for a long time and he didn't even noticed him, and he has intel chat hidden, so he can't really know if someone is coming. Think it's just a matter of time to get ganked like that in nullsec.
@@BrunoMoozika if you have fast ship and want tank by speed, you need to be close to enemy, its about tracking speed of turrets etc.
im sitting here only able to do like half ur alpha damage and dps
edit: i have lvl 5 in all requireed by torp launcher besides torp specialization, which only increases fire rate, not alpha
if you look at hull bonuses, each level of covops = 15% boost to kinetic torp damage, you are probably missing out a lot of those
Don't drop an MTU. It's suicidal in Null. Bookmark a wreck and warp back to it with a salvager destroyer after you've completed the site.
That sounds better to me
It depends on where you rat in null tbh. In busy systems it can be ok cos enemies may be busy elsehwer. but i live in a super quiet dead end system and mtus are pretty safe. mostly
@@marifaceawl7192 He's inside his blue doughnut so he can get away with alot of things like that (for a time lol) Which okay cool but maybe explain that in your videos because less experienced people just arent going to pick up on that and if they follow what he does verbatim they're going to run into some.. difficulties.. 😊
*in a 200% BRM system
thats the bonus for this fit though, you're fast af so dont need local (the system he is in is coalition staging so local can be 300+ easily) just watch grid as there's always nuets in there.
can I do the same on a nemesis?
yepp
Game is so bad. Extremely long and boring travel time, consisting of loading screens and the occasional interdictor gank from which you have basically no way to escape from; yes there are external tools to check for kills in systems but that only makes travelling even more tediou(also someone has to be the first one to die for the tools to warn you ). Pvp basically impossible outside of FW, unless you are multiboxing gate camping or camping wormholes for hours in your 100m cloaky astero to kill a 8m ( sister probes making half the killmail ) t1 explorer ( if you can call any of this "pvp"). PvE is not rewarding at all, you need several hours of it ( with high skill ) to be able to afford a decent ship; lmao to people saying " watch a movie while ratting" if I wanted to watch a movie I wouldn't be playing a game. Exploration has been destroyed by bots, and even if it wasn't it's a repetitive boring activity with huge RNG, not to mention the cargo scanners who make you waste time scanning a site which has mostly been looted. Hauling is a joke unless you got a jump freighter ( and even then, is the payout really worth the risk and the hassle?) New player experience is sisters of eve arc followed by a 2 omega months wait in order to be able to fit a navy ship with t2 modules and loose it to rancer gankers or max skills 10y players. Just stop playing and let it die. The most fun solo gameplay of this game on youtube is a guy camping the perimeter gate with 3 accounts 8 hours a day fighting against loot stealing bots. Lmao
Cry us a river and get better... I haven't paid a dime or cried over eve
@MLarious97 EVE clearly isn't the game for you. I recommend Minecraft or perhaps World of Warcraft.
Womp womp
Completely agree with OP. Coming from someone who still has the box set and disc from launch, this game is not what the founding fathers had in mind. Micro transactions have done what micro transactions do.
I heard Wizard 101 might be a better fit for you