So today I got a commemorative plaque from VW, for my purchase of a Pomelo Yellow Launch Edition in the mail! It has the car’s vin number, the date it was manufactured and the dealer name where I purchased it. It also has a very cool lithograph/ art! it came with a letter congratulating me for purchasing a launch edition GTI and explaining the car is approaching its 40 year anniversary
I love the exterior and the drivetrain still appears to be very good. It's tragic they ruined the interior user experience with godforsaken touch sensitive controls. Hopefully they'll pull a Honda and add those controls back for the mid cycle refresh.
@@paulm6481 Even in a self-driving vehicle, this is a terrible user experience. If anything, a touch sensitive button is the worst of both worlds. Most cannot change their intended function (like capacitive touch screens), and you still don't get tactile feedback. It's disappointing huge manufacturers with insane R&D budgets think this is acceptable in a finished good, let alone one you still have to drive yourself.
Been waiting anxiously for this review of the US spec GTI from Alex. As US owners of the GTI know well, the Euro spec version often has more available bells and whistles and more individual trims than Americans. (Of course, Europeans willingly pay much more for their GTIs than Americans.) As the owner of a 2018 MK7.5 (DSG) Autobahn version I've been trying to decide whether to opt for the MK8 GTI or avoid the feeling of replacing the family dog and hold onto my beloved current vehicle. So far, despite the bells and whistles of the MK8 and the slight improvement in power, I'm not convinced to make the change. However, I did have to do something to reduce my 17 y/o daughter's constant requests to borrow my GTI. So about a month ago I purchased a gorgeous 2012 VW CC R-Line with a manual transmission and only 44K miles on the clock. Now I can pester her to borrow it. For those who've never driven, much less owned, a GTI (or Golf R) its iconic status and owner loyalty may be something of a mystery. Its remarkable versatility is one factor. The 54 cubic ft of well designed rectangular cargo space behind the front row rivals that of some small SUVs. My GTI provides ample space for three humans and our large dog on extended drives. And its performance belies its claimed HP and torque figures. As Alex notes, its handling is remarkable for a FWD vehicle. Ideal for Sunday morning drives in the Washington Cascades. And while it's a parochial benefit that few others enjoy, the fact that it's 168" length means I enjoy a significant discount on Washington state ferries in the Puget Sound. An advantage that few other vehicles provide. The MK8 generation isn't perfect, of course. No vehicle is. the replacement of knobs with haptic feedback controls is already a widespread complaint. Personally, I'm no fan of the integrated and non-adjustable headrests in the front row. And I'm sorry to see the manual e-brake lever replaced with an electronic version. But none of those issues is a deal breaker. I'll likely hold onto my MK7.5 version and care for it like a first born but if I didn't already own it I'd be sorely tempted to purchase the MK8.
Dude, hang in to the 7.5. At the very least, wait for the 8.5 refresh to come. Maybe they will add some buttons. Plus, they are adding surcharges due to shortages.
@@GUITARTIME2024 The changes you note may come along. But it's important to remember that the North American market for the GTI and Golf R is a secondary consideration for VW. Whatever changes brings to a refreshed verion will depend on European tastes and sales rather than the those in the US. The basic Golf remains very popular in Europe and has disappeared completely in the US. The GTI Club Sport offers nearly 300 HP in Europe and won't be sold in the US. VW has apparently concluded (with good reason) that sales in the US market depends on their lineup of SUVs and that's where their emphasis is placed on this side of the Atlantic.
My biggest complaint about the 8 is those non adjustable head rests. Honestly hate them - both the lack of adjustability and the look. And also they make the rear passenger’s view out the front not exactly great.
Only on the autobahn trim is that yellow metallic paint available for extra cost. The top trim autobahn is a $40,000 subcompact car that is way too pricey for me. If I were to by the new GTI it would be the SE trim with a manual gearbox. Although car dealerships nowadays are price-gouging the hell out of the cars they sell so I’ll have to continue driving my fourteen year old Mazda MX-5.
Cross shopping wise, i came close to a current Hyundai Veloster N with the dual clutch auto but recently landed on the current mk7.5 GTI in DSG form. I like that i has 4 doors and a hatch and the interior looked and felt more premium too. Also VW has a larger aftermarket, I would have also considered a CIVIC SI but they still only come in manual and Honda still uses CVT for the auto trans. I agree with you the Kona probably is the GTI's closest competitor right now, it will be interesting to see the next gen Hyundai Elantra N. I am glad VW is still making and selling the GTI and Golf R, while i would like to see more knobs and buttons at least they are still making smaller cars for us here in the US. Great review btw i really like the content!!
the only problem I have with this generation of the gti is the digital ac controls I prefer manual buttons but the GTI is a solid car fun to drive and good fuel economy
I was really hesitant to trade me 7.5 for the 8 because I’m an older gal who’s scared if technology But after 2 days, I’m perfectly comfortable and really love the interface The minimalist dash is 🥰
I'll take the new Civic hatchback instead or even the Kona. I went through the whole VW fan boy stage -- never again. We had a Jetta, Golf, GTI and Audi A3. Fun to drive and the interiors were nice. Poor quality and expensive maintenance.
Thank you for not dwelling on the touch controls like other reviewers. Everyone knows they aren't ideal, but you would think it renders the car undrivable based on other reviews.
I bought the Autobahn after a single test drive. It was a no brainer for me. I love this car. It's absolutely fantastic. Night drives in this car with some good 80's drive music is the best thing.
I was in the market for a mk8 GTI or Golf R. I was within days of putting a deposit on a Golf R. After the reviews, I can't deal with the touch controls. I ended up snagging a Mk7 GTI Autobahn in manual form, slapped on a JB4 tune and it's a blast. The interior is wonderful for a compact sedan. It's my first VW and first GTI, no regrets.
@Tony P. .. Smart move/buy. .. Volkswagen screwed up the Mk8 Golf/GTI interior so bad,,, its been panned before the cars market launch. .. Christ,, our moderator Alex did his best to shy away from discussing the doppy dashboard controls, etc. .. Brother did VWAG miscue on the dashbaord controls... Make my MK8 Golf an Audi S3 sedan....
For me, I wouldn't really mind it. I'm literally getting it for the boost performance. I do agree tho that MK7.5 does look better overall, but the Mk8 look grew on me and I'm pretty sure infotainment will just come as well for me.
@@michaelschneider- Yes, Alex has been moving away from making actual criticisms of such things, and it hurts his credibility, almost every other reviewer has stated that the touch buttons are just not practical and suitable for an automobile in critical locations, ESPECIALLY the climate control.
So without even ever sitting in one or touching the controls you decided that the $30k+ purchase wasn’t for you? Oh hey look! That choir is singing “Bullshit!”
Its been in the states forever. When my brother and I were in the Navy we got sent to Orlando for Nuclear power school. We bought our very first car there a 1985 VW GTI. Brand new in the summer of 1986.
Honestly with the interior controls, VW has lost me. i was very much considering a GTI next year but VW has sold me on Hyundai now with a Veloster N just because the interior is almost unlivable. Those touch buttons are dangerous i've driven with them once in a rental car, never again.
I've never been a fan of the GTI but this one and the new R is really really cool. Wow. Looks so much better than the competition, both inside and out. Different league - super clean and modern. I'd swing the R tho, that torque vectoring rear diff is sick. It's more expensive but what I'd "cross shop" - would hold its value a lot too.
Really like my 10 yo GTI and am hoping it will take me all the way to the other side of this supply chain drought. But I'm thinking it will be hard to not go for the GLI this time around. A detuned package, yes, but much more usable as a family car for about 7k or so less of a price tag.
Nice review. Grudgingly ordered an R this week. My wife's current WRX needs to be replaced and since nobody else offers a fast AWD Manual Hatch (all non negotiable for her) here we are.
@@Redshift42 I have the GTI, which I adore. But I’m still a tiny jealous even though the R is more car than I need or want. I’m older and really just don’t drive that much anymore. Congratulations 🎉🎊🍾🎈
Great Review! I used to have an Mk 7 manual and it was absolutely awesome to drive! I regret returning it to the dealer after the lease end! I am upgrading to the new 2023 BMW 330e! I hope I made a good choice!
Alex, I will give VW some credit for keeping the GTI boxy and much more space-efficient than its lift back competitors. I will give them much more credit for bringing the performance variants of the Golf to this market even though the regular Golf was discontinued. We wish 'no more boring cars' Toyota had done the same with the GR Yaris.
I'd disagree. The Mazda3 is not nearly as sporty. It's fast in a straight line but won't handle nearly as well thanks to the torsion beam suspension (and now, lack of an LSD). The Mazda3 is meant to be a semi-luxurious commuter car that can also carve a canyon if asked. The new GTI is a born canyon carver and daily driver that can do light track duty if asked, and isn't as luxurious.
@@faeinthebay I disagree a little: I grew up on torsion beam hatches and learned to drive the ever-living sh!t out of them. A well-tuned sway bar on a torsion axel allows them to off-throttle rotate at a mere suggestion. While the GTI is more composed, with similar amounts of money spent on minor upgrades to bring the Mazda 3’s “price” in-line with the autobahn GTI’s MSRP, I’d wager the 3 would be the better car at anything less than 10/10ths driving.
I hate lane-centering software and foward collision warning systems. The lane-centering software always pulls your vehicle back to center when a numbnut in oncoming traffic drifts into your lane (which creates a life-endangering situation). And VW's forward collision warning systems have been known to brake... when nothing was in front of the car (again, life-threatening if someone is behind you, as they aren't expecting a car to randomly brake for no reason). If Volkswagen doesn't allow the owner to permanently switch those systems off, then the car is a road hazard and should not be allowed for sale.
It's a shame that people don't like these type of vehicles anymore. As a a 1.8T Golf owner, this is on my list when I'm ready to buy in a year or two. It's this our a 2021 GTI...
This is an excellent car a bit small for American roads but very nice nevertheless. Interior relative to Japanese offerings is head and shoulders above.
Please review an SE trim! All the reviewers drive the Autobahn but I would like to know your thoughts on living with the SE as a daily driver value proposition, and are the adaptive suspension, adaptive steering, heads up display and auto high beams as the main differences between the SE and Autobahn worth it?
I have always loved VW but their reliability has always been suspect (and rattles). I have owned three. I am absolutely sure it drives great and gives you great smiles per mile. My prior experience with VW however makes me give it a hard pass.
Agreed. I absolutely loved my MK5 GTI bought it new and drive it to 150,000 miles. In the last few years it really started having problems and breaking down on a regular basis. I got sick of spending my commutes in the passenger seat of a tow truck and parted ways with it. I went out and bought myself a Toyota Camry which has been great for everyday driving however I seriously miss being able to drive a more spirited car. Luckily I’m in a position to afford a new GTI in addition to my Camry. I most likely will have this as a weekend car and keep the miles very low whilst using my Camry for everyday driving!
Hmm I think VW has gotten better. I have a 2015 and I think the build quality is great and there aren’t rally any creaks or rattles. But after 190 I had to spend money to fix the AC, replace coolant system, and had an oil leak which was costly .
Let’s all appreciate that for $30k you can get the GTI or you can get the (chortle) “Integra” with a Honda CR-V engine that’s like 2 seconds slower to 60. Can’t wait for the marketing spin.
Yet again, the GTI outdoes the Golf R in the exterior looks department. I'll never understand why the top of the Golf ladder, the Golf R, is always so understated in looks. The GTI is always more aggressive looking. Not saying the Golf R needs ridiculous Civic Type R or STI wings or anything, but it is too understated for the performance it offers.
Finally VW has imported a Golf FROM Germany. Car looks great, but I agree the touch sensitive buttons may be a key factor in me passing this generation by. Unfortunately because of the SUV obsession the U.S. market has. This could be the last generation GTI/R to come to America.
Maybe the last gen ICE hot hatches because future VWs will be electric and likely built in North America. They should be building and selling the ID.3 in North America now. Instead we get the Taos.
@@TheBronxIceberg no it’s made in Germany. They have stated that clearly for the 2022 GTI coming to the U.S & it’s supposed to be feeling amazing to the buyers so far
Very nice review. Just one comment: anyone who really knows how to drive a manual transmission will undoubtedly get better mileage than with the DSG. ICEs are most efficient at somewhat close to full throttle and low RPMs*. It is exceedingly difficult, annoying, and at times impossible to manually shift a DSG to switch to a higher gear at low RPMs under hard acceleration. So, don't be fooled by that, if you like driving a manual and don't care about the quick shifting of the DSG (it is truly amazing, especially in VW cars with steering wheel shifters). (*) you should not drive like that all the time without revving high occasionally or quit a lot, if you want a clean and long-lasting engine ...
Am I understanding this correctly: ICEs are most efficient when bogged down? That is the scenario of close to full throttle and sustained low RPMs. There has to be some sort of breakdown in communication happening here because what I think you’re saying doesn’t make much sense… or else CVTs would be tuned to keep RPMs as low as possible instead of at the max efficiency range of their power bands (at and around the intersection of torque and horsepower).
I’m looking to get my very first new vehicle. I currently own a 1998 Avalon (3rd owner after my dad) with 218k+ miles on it. My Father had bought it with a little over 100k miles on it. On average, I drive 20k miles a year. That’s not including any road trips (in a rental) that can add about 2k-5k miles, to a total of 25k annual miles. I also plan on doing Uber Eats or something similar part time, which will obviously increase my annual driven miles. I see myself keeping any vehicle that I buy for at least 10 years and then passing it down to my kids when they are old enough to drive. Price of fuel here in my area is slowly creeping towards $5 per gallon, forcing me to opt for a new EV or a Hybrid. I haven’t had any major repairs on my 1998 Avalon for the 100k+ miles we have owned it. Oil change is $20 and brake pads varies so, other than cost of fuel, it’s easy to maintain. I am interested in getting one of the following vehicles, specifically a hybrid variant; Toyota Avalon, Honda Accord, Lexus ES 350, Lexus LS 500, Ford F-150, and last but not least Ram 1500. As you can see, I am torn between a full size sedan or a pickup truck. I like the potential fuel economy of sedans, but I also like the added benefit of having a bed for cargo. I am also interested in EV, but cost of charging at a charging station will need to be accounted for. I live in a apartment, so no home charging for now. I’m not big on EV since they cannot match the range of the hybrid vehicles I mentioned. If the battery lifespan is anything like my iPhone after a years of use, I may end up needing to rig the vehicle with solar panels. As much as I am excited about Tesla’s Full Self Driving feature, I’ll wait until the battery range can get me 580+ on a single charge. Yes I know that most of the electronic technology (infotainment, displays etc) will be obsolete 15+ years later, but I am still interested in getting the highest trim level of said vehicles to have the luxury and comfort that I can pass down to my kids when they are old enough to drive. It’s not a purchase, it’s a long term investment. Fuel economy, ride comfort, longevity, and cost of ownership are some of the few things I am taking into consideration as I will be owning the vehicle for 10+ years. There are currently 3 of us in my family and we do plan on having more kids in the near future, so that’s another thing to take into consideration. I am open to suggestions on vehicles that I did not list. I feel like in the coming years, emission laws will be even more strict, resulting in cars from 10 years ago deemed not road worthy in some states “cough California cough*. I’d hate to find out that my 1998 Avalon is illegal. Thank you in advance.
Hey Alex! I was under the impression that we would be getting the wireless car charger in the states. I didn’t see it in your video. Have you heard anything on that? Thank you.
Why do you need a power hatch on a Golf? It opens to forehead height and weighs 2 pounds. Get your wife a gym membership and some grim determination to suffer the indignities of moving her arms.
@@buttsexandbananapeels And how many times a year do you move the passenger seat? Silly excuses to not get a car, but there must be more, don't ya think.
I’ve always preferred the more grown up Golf/GTI over the Civic Hatch. And this new generation further solidified that. The Civic Hatch is down right ungainly compared to the tidy GTI and Corolla Hatch.
@@shinybaldy In my experience, when you live with a car longer than a 1 day test drive, you get used to it, and things that initially seem “difficult” becomes second nature.
In spite of EPA tests claiming otherwise, as a sensible driver and 60 years experience using manual transmissions in sports cars, pony cars, economy cars, sedans, trucks, busses, tractors, my MPG in a manual is always going to be better than any automatic. It is something called neutral, reading the road, the traffic, the stop lights, etc. The things an automatic doesn't know about and can't adjust for. I'd love to challenge Alex to a MPG test with a GTI, mine with manual, his with the DSG. And as far as 0-60: big deal. The speed in the manual is just fine.
@@rizzlerazzleuno4733 well, more to the point, Sport Mode on an automatic (at least from VAG) will hold revs and suck fuel, whereas a manual in sport mode is as efficient as the driver wants it to be.
They do. It's called the ID.3. Built to be electric from the ground up. Superior to putting an electric power plant in car designed for ICE. Too bad not sold in North America.
A step backwards for the GTI. Mk 7.5 GTI is better than this touch capacitive everything MK 8. Front looks super frumpy. Interior is so cheap and shows cutting everywhere. No interest in the Mk 8 GTI
The only thing I don’t like about the last gen GTI is the location of the infotainment screen: makes using phone-based navigation a little distracting if it can’t clearly pronounce the name of a street.
Looks nice and is full of tech. I agree with others that tactile buttons would be better. Still, world better than Tesla one screen for all. Also I wish brands stopped using directional wheels as they only face forward on one side of the car.
4th day of ownership It’s great, I love the clean dash & the interface is super easy All the reviewers who are complaining are just being silly & feel they have to have something to say
as a prior GTI owner 2016 and 2021 MK7's, I am not a fan of this new style. The front with those honeycomb lights-EW. The rear looks like a Tiguan-bleh. And that interior-VW's electric gremlins will have a field day. I'm sure it still drives like a hoot but the total package for me just isn't there anymore.
Even in my 50’s, i think I want a hot hatch. Question is, is it the GTI, or the Mazda 3turbo hatch? I’d guess the Mazda has it for reliability, but this GTI is smoking hot.
Mk8 is not a bad car by any means. It just isnt better than the Mk7.5 is any way other then the engine. Exterior looks are not bad but again not better than the mk7.5. Interior is no doubt worse with lack of any buttons or knobs. The only thing thats a nice upgrade is the GTI finally gets a virtual cockpit and as a mk7.5 R owner, its a very nice touch.
@@BIGGIEBAG-XL exactly lol everyone seems like a bunch of scared over exaggerating pansies about the touch screen which all owners are saying is not bad to use at all.. Time will show this MK8 to be a fantastic upgrade over these initial whiner worries..
So today I got a commemorative plaque from VW, for my purchase of a Pomelo Yellow Launch Edition in the mail! It has the car’s vin number, the date it was manufactured and the dealer name where I purchased it. It also has a very cool lithograph/ art! it came with a letter congratulating me for purchasing a launch edition GTI and explaining the car is approaching its 40 year anniversary
I love the exterior and the drivetrain still appears to be very good. It's tragic they ruined the interior user experience with godforsaken touch sensitive controls. Hopefully they'll pull a Honda and add those controls back for the mid cycle refresh.
The future is ID4 which is similar to this interior. They are not going back to physical controls.
@@paulm6481 Even in a self-driving vehicle, this is a terrible user experience. If anything, a touch sensitive button is the worst of both worlds. Most cannot change their intended function (like capacitive touch screens), and you still don't get tactile feedback. It's disappointing huge manufacturers with insane R&D budgets think this is acceptable in a finished good, let alone one you still have to drive yourself.
You can get some switches/knobs in the base s trim.
It is such a nice vehicle, that infotainment doesn't ruin it for me.
Is it really tragic?
Been waiting anxiously for this review of the US spec GTI from Alex. As US owners of the GTI know well, the Euro spec version often has more available bells and whistles and more individual trims than Americans. (Of course, Europeans willingly pay much more for their GTIs than Americans.) As the owner of a 2018 MK7.5 (DSG) Autobahn version I've been trying to decide whether to opt for the MK8 GTI or avoid the feeling of replacing the family dog and hold onto my beloved current vehicle. So far, despite the bells and whistles of the MK8 and the slight improvement in power, I'm not convinced to make the change. However, I did have to do something to reduce my 17 y/o daughter's constant requests to borrow my GTI. So about a month ago I purchased a gorgeous 2012 VW CC R-Line with a manual transmission and only 44K miles on the clock. Now I can pester her to borrow it.
For those who've never driven, much less owned, a GTI (or Golf R) its iconic status and owner loyalty may be something of a mystery. Its remarkable versatility is one factor. The 54 cubic ft of well designed rectangular cargo space behind the front row rivals that of some small SUVs. My GTI provides ample space for three humans and our large dog on extended drives. And its performance belies its claimed HP and torque figures. As Alex notes, its handling is remarkable for a FWD vehicle. Ideal for Sunday morning drives in the Washington Cascades. And while it's a parochial benefit that few others enjoy, the fact that it's 168" length means I enjoy a significant discount on Washington state ferries in the Puget Sound. An advantage that few other vehicles provide.
The MK8 generation isn't perfect, of course. No vehicle is. the replacement of knobs with haptic feedback controls is already a widespread complaint. Personally, I'm no fan of the integrated and non-adjustable headrests in the front row. And I'm sorry to see the manual e-brake lever replaced with an electronic version. But none of those issues is a deal breaker. I'll likely hold onto my MK7.5 version and care for it like a first born but if I didn't already own it I'd be sorely tempted to purchase the MK8.
Dude, hang in to the 7.5. At the very least, wait for the 8.5 refresh to come. Maybe they will add some buttons. Plus, they are adding surcharges due to shortages.
@@GUITARTIME2024 The changes you note may come along. But it's important to remember that the North American market for the GTI and Golf R is a secondary consideration for VW. Whatever changes brings to a refreshed verion will depend on European tastes and sales rather than the those in the US. The basic Golf remains very popular in Europe and has disappeared completely in the US. The GTI Club Sport offers nearly 300 HP in Europe and won't be sold in the US. VW has apparently concluded (with good reason) that sales in the US market depends on their lineup of SUVs and that's where their emphasis is placed on this side of the Atlantic.
My biggest complaint about the 8 is those non adjustable head rests. Honestly hate them - both the lack of adjustability and the look. And also they make the rear passenger’s view out the front not exactly great.
@@katiecannon8186 I agree . The headrests look ;(and are) cheap.
Mk8 is nicer than 7.5 and I actually like the touch controls makes it futuristic and upscale
Engineer- how many fog lights do you need?
Marketing: yes
Only on the autobahn trim is that yellow metallic paint available for extra cost. The top trim autobahn is a $40,000 subcompact car that is way too pricey for me. If I were to by the new GTI it would be the SE trim with a manual gearbox. Although car dealerships nowadays are price-gouging the hell out of the cars they sell so I’ll have to continue driving my fourteen year old Mazda MX-5.
That exterior interior color combo kinda clashes
Cross shopping wise, i came close to a current Hyundai Veloster N with the dual clutch auto but recently landed on the current mk7.5 GTI in DSG form. I like that i has 4 doors and a hatch and the interior looked and felt more premium too. Also VW has a larger aftermarket, I would have also considered a CIVIC SI but they still only come in manual and Honda still uses CVT for the auto trans. I agree with you the Kona probably is the GTI's closest competitor right now, it will be interesting to see the next gen Hyundai Elantra N. I am glad VW is still making and selling the GTI and Golf R, while i would like to see more knobs and buttons at least they are still making smaller cars for us here in the US. Great review btw i really like the content!!
I think 38k for the Autoban version is a bit much.
Why I’m getting the 2022 gli autobahn
TOO MUCH. Yes, all in caps, I'm telling it how I feel.
the only problem I have with this generation of the gti is the digital ac controls I prefer manual buttons but the GTI is a solid car fun to drive and good fuel economy
I was really hesitant to trade me 7.5 for the 8 because I’m an older gal who’s scared if technology
But after 2 days, I’m perfectly comfortable and really love the interface
The minimalist dash is 🥰
I'll take the new Civic hatchback instead or even the Kona. I went through the whole VW fan boy stage -- never again. We had a Jetta, Golf, GTI and Audi A3. Fun to drive and the interiors were nice. Poor quality and expensive maintenance.
I like the heads up display as well as the information display screen.
Put some real knobs and buttons back into that interior, then we’ll talk.
SavageGeese had a good point that if we purchase these VWs without any knobs, we are encouraging them to keep doing it
I cannot stand that digital cockpit. Real controls, please.
I like it
I'm shocked that I feel this way but that color is awesome!
Thank you for not dwelling on the touch controls like other reviewers. Everyone knows they aren't ideal, but you would think it renders the car undrivable based on other reviews.
I bought the Autobahn after a single test drive. It was a no brainer for me. I love this car. It's absolutely fantastic. Night drives in this car with some good 80's drive music is the best thing.
I just went with the S. Adore it. And it’s an unbelievable value in my opinion.
I was in the market for a mk8 GTI or Golf R. I was within days of putting a deposit on a Golf R. After the reviews, I can't deal with the touch controls. I ended up snagging a Mk7 GTI Autobahn in manual form, slapped on a JB4 tune and it's a blast. The interior is wonderful for a compact sedan. It's my first VW and first GTI, no regrets.
@Tony P. .. Smart move/buy. .. Volkswagen screwed up the Mk8 Golf/GTI interior so bad,,, its been panned before the cars market launch. .. Christ,, our moderator Alex did his best to shy away from discussing the doppy dashboard controls, etc. .. Brother did VWAG miscue on the dashbaord controls... Make my MK8 Golf an Audi S3 sedan....
For me, I wouldn't really mind it. I'm literally getting it for the boost performance. I do agree tho that MK7.5 does look better overall, but the Mk8 look grew on me and I'm pretty sure infotainment will just come as well for me.
@@michaelschneider- Yes, Alex has been moving away from making actual criticisms of such things, and it hurts his credibility, almost every other reviewer has stated that the touch buttons are just not practical and suitable for an automobile in critical locations, ESPECIALLY the climate control.
So without even ever sitting in one or touching the controls you decided that the $30k+ purchase wasn’t for you? Oh hey look! That choir is singing “Bullshit!”
@@afcgeo882 when VW yank all the touch buttons out and replace them with traditional ones the car be acceptable.
Its been in the states forever. When my brother and I were in the Navy we got sent to Orlando for Nuclear power school. We bought our very first car there a 1985 VW GTI. Brand new in the summer of 1986.
Thank you for this review Alex!
Honestly with the interior controls, VW has lost me. i was very much considering a GTI next year but VW has sold me on Hyundai now with a Veloster N just because the interior is almost unlivable.
Those touch buttons are dangerous i've driven with them once in a rental car, never again.
I really like the lemon/lime color! 🍋
I've never been a fan of the GTI but this one and the new R is really really cool. Wow. Looks so much better than the competition, both inside and out. Different league - super clean and modern. I'd swing the R tho, that torque vectoring rear diff is sick. It's more expensive but what I'd "cross shop" - would hold its value a lot too.
Really like my 10 yo GTI and am hoping it will take me all the way to the other side of this supply chain drought. But I'm thinking it will be hard to not go for the GLI this time around. A detuned package, yes, but much more usable as a family car for about 7k or so less of a price tag.
Same. Here. I'm riding out this chip shortage in my 15 tC. I can't wait till this is over.
I'd argue you get a better car for less. You will miss in the hatch, yes, but the new Golf touch interior is atrocious.
Nice review. Grudgingly ordered an R this week. My wife's current WRX needs to be replaced and since nobody else offers a fast AWD Manual Hatch (all non negotiable for her) here we are.
Do you love it?
@@katiecannon8186 Took delivery of the car in Feb of 2022. Been very happy with it. Perfect as the fast comfortable daily driver we wanted it for.
@@Redshift42 I have the GTI, which I adore. But I’m still a tiny jealous even though the R is more car than I need or want. I’m older and really just don’t drive that much anymore.
Congratulations 🎉🎊🍾🎈
Touch capacitive buttons everywhere makes this a TOTAL fail.
Yup. Don’t cut costs on driver interfaces.
I dont why the mk8 gets so much hate, I like the looks of it
If can’t afford to replace your car every 2-3 years as Alex does, stay away from adaptive suspension! It will costs you a fortune to replace it 🙈
Great Review! I used to have an Mk 7 manual and it was absolutely awesome to drive! I regret returning it to the dealer after the lease end! I am upgrading to the new 2023 BMW 330e! I hope I made a good choice!
Can you start comparing the driver assist systems and grading them?
Alex, I will give VW some credit for keeping the GTI boxy and much more space-efficient than its lift back competitors. I will give them much more credit for bringing the performance variants of the Golf to this market even though the regular Golf was discontinued. We wish 'no more boring cars' Toyota had done the same with the GR Yaris.
A good review...gracias señor Alex!
My buying decisions and that of my whole family ( they list to me ) or based on your thorough and objective reviews!
Why did you not mention Mazda3 Turbo? It pretty much competes directly with this car.
I'd disagree. The Mazda3 is not nearly as sporty. It's fast in a straight line but won't handle nearly as well thanks to the torsion beam suspension (and now, lack of an LSD). The Mazda3 is meant to be a semi-luxurious commuter car that can also carve a canyon if asked. The new GTI is a born canyon carver and daily driver that can do light track duty if asked, and isn't as luxurious.
@@faeinthebay I disagree a little: I grew up on torsion beam hatches and learned to drive the ever-living sh!t out of them. A well-tuned sway bar on a torsion axel allows them to off-throttle rotate at a mere suggestion.
While the GTI is more composed, with similar amounts of money spent on minor upgrades to bring the Mazda 3’s “price” in-line with the autobahn GTI’s MSRP, I’d wager the 3 would be the better car at anything less than 10/10ths driving.
All of these reviews talk about the affordability of this car but then completely disregard ever covering the S trim.
I love that color. I don't think the Honda R will be that much more expensive in SE/Autobahn trim. I'd get the Golf R if I'm reaching high 3's though
Love the little lights on the bottom
I don’t mind the haptic controls. It looks sleek
Cannot wait for the R
Would seriously consider a GTI if they go back to physical HVAC/infotainment controls in the future.
I hate lane-centering software and foward collision warning systems. The lane-centering software always pulls your vehicle back to center when a numbnut in oncoming traffic drifts into your lane (which creates a life-endangering situation). And VW's forward collision warning systems have been known to brake... when nothing was in front of the car (again, life-threatening if someone is behind you, as they aren't expecting a car to randomly brake for no reason).
If Volkswagen doesn't allow the owner to permanently switch those systems off, then the car is a road hazard and should not be allowed for sale.
I want the top end trim with the plaid seat covers....
It's a shame that people don't like these type of vehicles anymore. As a a 1.8T Golf owner, this is on my list when I'm ready to buy in a year or two. It's this our a 2021 GTI...
love your breakdowns! thank you!
That car is so YOU Alex!!
This is an excellent car a bit small for American roads but very nice nevertheless. Interior relative to Japanese offerings is head and shoulders above.
Great review. But I'll take the upcoming Acura Integra hatchback with a manual transmission for about $30k.
Love the GTI. I grew up with them. The new ones are not the same but still for the genes.
Please review an SE trim! All the reviewers drive the Autobahn but I would like to know your thoughts on living with the SE as a daily driver value proposition, and are the adaptive suspension, adaptive steering, heads up display and auto high beams as the main differences between the SE and Autobahn worth it?
To be honest, the new GTI has a better look than the R.
that's because the R only comes in three very boring colors IMO.
Fog lights?
Amber signals out back?
A spare tire?
With a manual?
VW's having fahrvernügen flashbacks lol.
Crazy Priced
I have always loved VW but their reliability has always been suspect (and rattles). I have owned three. I am absolutely sure it drives great and gives you great smiles per mile. My prior experience with VW however makes me give it a hard pass.
VW is not the most reliable for sure.
VW stands for "Very Worried"
Agreed. I absolutely loved my MK5 GTI bought it new and drive it to 150,000 miles. In the last few years it really started having problems and breaking down on a regular basis. I got sick of spending my commutes in the passenger seat of a tow truck and parted ways with it. I went out and bought myself a Toyota Camry which has been great for everyday driving however I seriously miss being able to drive a more spirited car. Luckily I’m in a position to afford a new GTI in addition to my Camry. I most likely will have this as a weekend car and keep the miles very low whilst using my Camry for everyday driving!
Hmm I think VW has gotten better. I have a 2015 and I think the build quality is great and there aren’t rally any creaks or rattles. But after 190 I had to spend money to fix the AC, replace coolant system, and had an oil leak which was costly .
A8 in legroom/headroom comparaison??
Hate that black trim on the front
I wish my 3rd gen Mazda 3 had adaptive dampers
Better than the BMW you reviewed.
Let’s all appreciate that for $30k you can get the GTI or you can get the (chortle) “Integra” with a Honda CR-V engine that’s like 2 seconds slower to 60. Can’t wait for the marketing spin.
The Integra gets an uprated 1.5T though, not exactly the same as the Civic.
Getting the civic si engine
Acura is a luxury brand. That’s why it costs more. 😜
or you could spend 50k on an a4 with that same cast iron block 2.0t or 30k on an accord with modern 2.0t….. pretty silly logic eh
@@tdub25 It’s as if there’s more to a car than just the engine… 🤷♂️
Yet again, the GTI outdoes the Golf R in the exterior looks department. I'll never understand why the top of the Golf ladder, the Golf R, is always so understated in looks. The GTI is always more aggressive looking. Not saying the Golf R needs ridiculous Civic Type R or STI wings or anything, but it is too understated for the performance it offers.
The R is all wheel drive and mostly for older people, GTI is young person model
Without a doubt last version of ICE Golf. I shy away and get a Tesla model 3 instead.
Bring the ID3 to the US!
Has the full review come out for this yet?
Finally VW has imported a Golf FROM Germany. Car looks great, but I agree the touch sensitive buttons may be a key factor in me passing this generation by. Unfortunately because of the SUV
obsession the U.S. market has. This could be the last generation GTI/R to come to America.
Maybe the last gen ICE hot hatches because future VWs will be electric and likely built in North America. They should be building and selling the ID.3 in North America now. Instead we get the Taos.
@@TheBronxIceberg no it’s made in Germany. They have stated that clearly for the 2022 GTI coming to the U.S & it’s supposed to be feeling amazing to the buyers so far
Do you think the 40th anniversary versions are the sweet spot?
Very nice review.
Just one comment: anyone who really knows how to drive a manual transmission will undoubtedly get better mileage than with the DSG. ICEs are most efficient at somewhat close to full throttle and low RPMs*. It is exceedingly difficult, annoying, and at times impossible to manually shift a DSG to switch to a higher gear at low RPMs under hard acceleration.
So, don't be fooled by that, if you like driving a manual and don't care about the quick shifting of the DSG (it is truly amazing, especially in VW cars with steering wheel shifters).
(*) you should not drive like that all the time without revving high occasionally or quit a lot, if you want a clean and long-lasting engine ...
Am I understanding this correctly: ICEs are most efficient when bogged down?
That is the scenario of close to full throttle and sustained low RPMs.
There has to be some sort of breakdown in communication happening here because what I think you’re saying doesn’t make much sense… or else CVTs would be tuned to keep RPMs as low as possible instead of at the max efficiency range of their power bands (at and around the intersection of torque and horsepower).
I’m looking to get my very first new vehicle. I currently own a 1998 Avalon (3rd owner after my dad) with 218k+ miles on it. My Father had bought it with a little over 100k miles on it. On average, I drive 20k miles a year. That’s not including any road trips (in a rental) that can add about 2k-5k miles, to a total of 25k annual miles. I also plan on doing Uber Eats or something similar part time, which will obviously increase my annual driven miles.
I see myself keeping any vehicle that I buy for at least 10 years and then passing it down to my kids when they are old enough to drive. Price of fuel here in my area is slowly creeping towards $5 per gallon, forcing me to opt for a new EV or a Hybrid. I haven’t had any major repairs on my 1998 Avalon for the 100k+ miles we have owned it. Oil change is $20 and brake pads varies so, other than cost of fuel, it’s easy to maintain.
I am interested in getting one of the following vehicles, specifically a hybrid variant; Toyota Avalon, Honda Accord, Lexus ES 350, Lexus LS 500, Ford F-150, and last but not least Ram 1500. As you can see, I am torn between a full size sedan or a pickup truck. I like the potential fuel economy of sedans, but I also like the added benefit of having a bed for cargo.
I am also interested in EV, but cost of charging at a charging station will need to be accounted for. I live in a apartment, so no home charging for now. I’m not big on EV since they cannot match the range of the hybrid vehicles I mentioned. If the battery lifespan is anything like my iPhone after a years of use, I may end up needing to rig the vehicle with solar panels. As much as I am excited about Tesla’s Full Self Driving feature, I’ll wait until the battery range can get me 580+ on a single charge.
Yes I know that most of the electronic technology (infotainment, displays etc) will be obsolete 15+ years later, but I am still interested in getting the highest trim level of said vehicles to have the luxury and comfort that I can pass down to my kids when they are old enough to drive. It’s not a purchase, it’s a long term investment.
Fuel economy, ride comfort, longevity, and cost of ownership are some of the few things I am taking into consideration as I will be owning the vehicle for 10+ years. There are currently 3 of us in my family and we do plan on having more kids in the near future, so that’s another thing to take into consideration. I am open to suggestions on vehicles that I did not list. I feel like in the coming years, emission laws will be even more strict, resulting in cars from 10 years ago deemed not road worthy in some states “cough California cough*. I’d hate to find out that my 1998 Avalon is illegal.
Thank you in advance.
Where’s the Golf R video, bruh - been waiting.
Hey Alex! I was under the impression that we would be getting the wireless car charger in the states. I didn’t see it in your video. Have you heard anything on that? Thank you.
Looking forward to the Golf R review.
One cool color.
Why doesn’t the NA models get the same EU taillights? Ugh they really make the gti look wayy better
Love mine, I own this exact car.
VW forgot we like shortcuts = buttons!!!
Not a single control button and a completely analog manual transmission , it's really strange . No two doors with a hatch : a complete downer .
@oi32df
Yep, VW shot themselves in the foot, YET again. Especially in the US market where the regular Golf is no longer available either.
Well, I almost had my wife convinced. But, no power hatch and manual passenger seat doomed my efforts. Help me help you VW.
Why do you need a power hatch on a Golf? It opens to forehead height and weighs 2 pounds. Get your wife a gym membership and some grim determination to suffer the indignities of moving her arms.
@@buttsexandbananapeels And how many times a year do you move the passenger seat? Silly excuses to not get a car, but there must be more, don't ya think.
I’ve always preferred the more grown up Golf/GTI over the Civic Hatch. And this new generation further solidified that. The Civic Hatch is down right ungainly compared to the tidy GTI and Corolla Hatch.
@@shinybaldy In my experience, when you live with a car longer than a 1 day test drive, you get used to it, and things that initially seem “difficult” becomes second nature.
Fuel Economy counterpoint: Manual in sport mode MPG > DSG in sport mode. :-)
In spite of EPA tests claiming otherwise, as a sensible driver and 60 years experience using manual transmissions in sports cars, pony cars, economy cars, sedans, trucks, busses, tractors, my MPG in a manual is always going to be better than any automatic. It is something called neutral, reading the road, the traffic, the stop lights, etc. The things an automatic doesn't know about and can't adjust for. I'd love to challenge Alex to a MPG test with a GTI, mine with manual, his with the DSG. And as far as 0-60: big deal. The speed in the manual is just fine.
@@rizzlerazzleuno4733 well, more to the point, Sport Mode on an automatic (at least from VAG) will hold revs and suck fuel, whereas a manual in sport mode is as efficient as the driver wants it to be.
@@moorewr Yea, humans rule! 🙂
Haptic is only usable if your not moving!
Funny enough I think the Chevrolet bolt is the biggest gti competitor.
Best review of this car is from Hagerty.
Yeah, but hes so negative. Savage Geese is better.
Nawww plaid seats ONLY. Also the cross shop would be the new Integra.
Why does it show Killowatt? Not electric right. Not used to seeing that
It's used in some other regions like Asia and parts of Europe.
It’s just a measure of power, not necessarily electric. We could measure the kilowatts you expend doing biceps curls(you manly man, you).
Im still holding out hope that VW will make another e golf… I suppose I can only dream 🤔💭
They do. It's called the ID.3. Built to be electric from the ground up. Superior to putting an electric power plant in car designed for ICE. Too bad not sold in North America.
A step backwards for the GTI. Mk 7.5 GTI is better than this touch capacitive everything MK 8. Front looks super frumpy. Interior is so cheap and shows cutting everywhere. No interest in the Mk 8 GTI
The only thing I don’t like about the last gen GTI is the location of the infotainment screen: makes using phone-based navigation a little distracting if it can’t clearly pronounce the name of a street.
Agreed. Sadly the same situation with the R. That’s why I traded away from VW when dropping my 7.5R.
Looks nice and is full of tech. I agree with others that tactile buttons would be better. Still, world better than Tesla one screen for all. Also I wish brands stopped using directional wheels as they only face forward on one side of the car.
4th day of ownership
It’s great, I love the clean dash & the interface is super easy
All the reviewers who are complaining are just being silly & feel they have to have something to say
Where can I see one in the U.S.? No dealers in New York have any new Golfs in the show room.
Gotta wait.
3:33 A8?
as a prior GTI owner 2016 and 2021 MK7's, I am not a fan of this new style. The front with those honeycomb lights-EW. The rear looks like a Tiguan-bleh. And that interior-VW's electric gremlins will have a field day. I'm sure it still drives like a hoot but the total package for me just isn't there anymore.
I find it Interesting/funny that Polaris just made a non turbo 2 liter that makes 225 hp.
Don't have IQ light in the north america model?
Are those dual hood latches i see?
The civic SI isn't a hatchback.
Golf R is insanely highly priced.
Hope they bring all-track back
I doubt it, since VW killed the base Golf and the alltrack's demographic will probably just step over to a crossover.
All the winers on the controls almost make me want to get one to spite them. Haha
The Golf "Christmas Tree" model
Always great analysis. But I wish he would talk slowly taking breaks between sentences.
Even in my 50’s, i think I want a hot hatch. Question is, is it the GTI, or the Mazda 3turbo hatch? I’d guess the Mazda has it for reliability, but this GTI is smoking hot.
From someone who had the 2020 GTI. You definitely don’t want this unreliable POS!
Buy the 3 Turbo with your head or buy the GTI with your heart.
@@marktepper3440 so i guess Mazda then? 😜
@@hitmanhart6275 that’s kinda where I’m at
Definitely Mazda
I'll take a Mazda 3 Turbo.
Depends on the job. My Machine Grey beauty does it for me, but it’ll never see a track unless it’s in the parking lot.
What color Is this? Yellow
Mk8 is not a bad car by any means. It just isnt better than the Mk7.5 is any way other then the engine.
Exterior looks are not bad but again not better than the mk7.5. Interior is no doubt worse with lack of any buttons or knobs.
The only thing thats a nice upgrade is the GTI finally gets a virtual cockpit and as a mk7.5 R owner, its a very nice touch.
It’s literally better in every, single category except the subjective ones lol
@@BIGGIEBAG-XL exactly lol everyone seems like a bunch of scared over exaggerating pansies about the touch screen which all owners are saying is not bad to use at all.. Time will show this MK8 to be a fantastic upgrade over these initial whiner worries..
Timestamps please?