@@indrickboreale7381 Eh, anything worth worrying about has AP anyway. River Troll Hags have a nice big bag of hitpoints, get some fire resist to cover the weakness of regen, and so are generally pretty durable. They don't duel well, but they're wizards so they're not supposed to.
@@AshenVictor in one of milkandcookiestw multiplayer matches he had a fight between wood elves and greenskins (so non-upgraded units) there was 2 river troll hags and first one got deleted by ranged fire very early on and second one was deleted by being surrounded with a single great stag knight unit - the ror version. (never seen any other hero unit die that quickly) They both died incredibly quickly in that match... im not sure how much you can buff them in campaign to make that not the case? :P Not questioning their spellcasting ability tho.
@@Otakahunt Well, they really need support to do anything in melee. You can buff them quite a bit, but more importantly this list is meant for campaign, where the AI won't be "as smart" as players when focusing heroes.
@@Otakahunt troll hags are large units. They're easy to hit with missiles and if surrounded they can be attacked by multiple units. That's why they're so easy to kill despite their hp in those situations. But put them in the middle of your own infantry you'll see that they can last quite a while.
There's only one way to use the eshin sorcerer : make use of the shuriken. A lot. Just constantly harass enemy lord with them. They are a great projectile for dealing with lord, heroes and monsters tbh.
@@Alienoiable I disagree with ranking them as the worst hero in the game. If you're mostly using doomstacks then I can see why you might not like them but ignoring them altogether, especially on Legendary, is downright dumb. 1. Unlike most other projectile spells, Warp Stars go straight through anything between the caster and the target. With proper positioning it's easy to get 50 kills per cast. 2. Veil of Shadows and Black Whirlwind are effectively the Skaven's Net of Amyntok, for ground troops anyway. 3. They are good enough in melee to be able to help any unit in trouble, and have the tools to help that unit and themself escape. They can tank half a stack of low tier troops like goblins all on their lonesome while dishing out the pain, and that's pretty damn good for a caster without a mount. 4. They're small targets with 20% Missile Resistance, Vanguard, and Stalk. They're also fast enough to outrun most infantry. 5. Most important of all Toxic Rain, their Lore Attribute, stacks with poison and you can keep it up pretty consistently. Map-wide -10% melee and ranged damage is good but combine it with any source of poison like hero weapons, Gutter Runners, or Bless with Filth, and that goes up to -25%. Toxic Rain also provides -10% speed, which stacks not only with the -15% speed from poison but also the -10% from the Plague Priest's Plague Rash attribute, AND the -35% speed from Ratling Guns, for a grand total of -70% speed, all while making summoned Clanrats take up to 25% less damage. How can that NOT be useful on any difficulty, let alone Legendary? Eshin Sorc's make Assassins and Plague Priests better.
"Are we the bad guys?" High elf talking to another after massacring a humam population, causing a civil war in skyrim and subjugating the empire because of how they pray wrong...
LegendofTotalWar does not listen to his viewers (unless it is criticism, which he tends to take quite personally) LegendofTotalWar primarily follows the view counts. He cares A LOT about TH-cam's algorithm and the consistent view counts. After years of watching Legend you will notice that he also prefers content that requires zero to minimum post-production effort . This is why his content is usually all made in one take and non-scripted. He may use prompts. The content of Legend's which has the most effort, and ironically his highet view counts, are his "top 5" videos. But, they require lots of prep and editing; so he doesn't think the effort is worth it. As mentioned above, he cares more for consistent viewership; despite his viewers constantly asking for more of this, Legend will be the first to tell his audience that he doesn't like putting in that much effort. These tier lists are a gold mine for him. Absolutely zero prep-time and no scripts. He is literally just sharing his experience and then rakes in the views. Personally, I think it's a win-win. The reason his videos are popular is because of his candidness and conversational themes. When Legend streams or makes videos he makes his audience feel as though he is talking to them from across a table as apposed to talking TO them with scripts. This is why I love Legend, anyway. To say that Legend listens to his viewers is complete and utter nonsense. If legend does something that viewers asked for, then it is simply a matter of what coincides with the least amount of effort and what boosts his algorithm score. This comment is not criticism. It is just an observation from years of watching his videos and streams.
@@danieltadd You are confusing loud minorities as actual "viewers". As an example at this moment this video has 26k views, 2.6k likes and not even 2 hundred comments. If you believe the comment section is your viewer base, you are really wrong. Listening the data is listening the audience. Only for very specific things (like getting a specific topic for something) the comments are worth it.
@@danieltadd it seems like it could have been in the past as this Hero tier list has been requested some time ago and he delivered..I agree that what's good about him is his honesty with what he wants from us and from TH-cam, but to me it's worth more as its not hidden behind any masks. If he was exactly as you said, he would make a lot more promoted videos. Moreover, he does hours and hours of campaigns he doesn't want (some he rightly quits if people lose interest) just from what we ask. That takes dedication and even if a little, the will to fulfill our viewing desires
@@danieltadd I've actually thought of nearly everything you've said myself at some point and I think its true, it's quite apparent to see with his blood dragon doomstack non apology.
@@flaviostefanutti1106 He was going to make this video from the very beginning when he saw how much we liked this. If you want to see how much he really cares, go watch the blood dragon doomstack video he has out. The one where he uses the actual blood dragons instead of wind of deathing everything.
The day I noticed I could put my SC on an ancient steggo in the vanguard deploy zone and give him stalk was the day I stopped buying Red Crested Skinks for anyone but Tenny. "Sneak Steggodon" is the entire reason I don't suck at beating the crazy amount of Vampire Coast guys you fight in the Lustrian midgames. "Oh wow man, you have a bunch of artillery? That's cool bro; have an Ancient Stegadon behind your lines - I guess there's a Skink Chief on the back buffing it up too... kthanxbye." Edit: I guess I should just add that you have to remember to take him off skirmish; took me a really long time to realize the Ancient Stegadon is basically a line pulverizer and not "a much crappier version of the regular Stegodon with worse range" because I never just put him into melee mode and sent him in - after a while I noticed him behaving like the biggest skink skirmisher in history and realized I was using him wrong. Beginner problems, lol.
@@KazeKoichi Well, you have to be careful with them, for sure. But putting mages on flying mounts is pretty much always really good. Makes it so easy to position them for a good cast. Can fly forward, cast, then fly back out of the line of fire again. Needs to be micro'd a bit but still really nice.
@@KazeKoichi Thing is though, mages do have tiny health pools, so putting them on a dragon is a big thing since their HP increases a bunch and is good in case of overcast miscasts. And even though they are bigger targets, the incendiary trait basically makes them one of the strongest 'doomstacks' in the game. It does take ages to get them to that point, though. Im always conflicted on Dragons, I think as a unit they suck, but as a mount they are awesome. I put all lords on dragon mounts if they have one available.
@@memesofwarhemmer7076 meanwhile the chieftain and pack master gently pet their mounts. Let's face it all of the Skaven hero's are pretty decent! Just depends on faction/army composition.
I'm trying to think how many that would be if you consider every Archmage lore a separate one for instance (which you have to because a HE Life archmage for instance has a WILDLY different value than, say, high magic archmage)
@@JB-xl2jc i think that would just come down to the lore of magic tier list tbh. the same generic lords with different spells ain't really different from each other, aside from the spells, and that's simply the lore, not the lords.
Couldn't help but crack up at the cursed thought of a High Elven "SS" wizard. Something tells me the trait 'Hates Dwarves' will be on heavy rotation in their recruitment pool...
@@matiasmattera6650 well, all elves are corrupted by chaos. The elven corruption makes their racism manifest in different ways Wood Elves isolate from everyone Dark Elves enslave everyone High Elves look down on everyone
Entrepreneur Needs to be capped it’s simply an exploits for a race that doesn’t need help with money. They need a province limits and a global Limit On bonuses in general
@@rockstar450 it isn't an exploit. an exploit means doing something the game does not mean for you to do or has no previous intentions in letting you do that. whilst the trait is clearly there for that purpose and that purpose only, no other roundabout way about it.
I'll just add my little grain of salt about the witch hunters: If you own middenheim and build the high temple of middenheim (tier 5), you gain the ability to recruit witch hunters everywhere, even in ruined settlements, wich is great in an emergency or when you want to blitzkrieg your way into an area with attrition (by delaying enemy armies or killiing enemy heroes)
@@sokar_rostau yep, as long as your factions owns the ruin you can access the hero recruiting window and you'll see that the witch hunters aee available
@@Morbak546 Oh, you mean a ruin you've just settled and haven't yet repaired? That's not what most people would call a ruin. Many, if not most, factions have a lord skill/trait or special building that allows agent recruitment in any owned settlement. It's not special to Witch Hunters.
@@sokar_rostau That's the difference I make between a ruin and a ruined settlement idk what most people think. As a total war noob, I haven't played any other faction than the Empire and Bretonnia so I'd like you to give me some exemples regarding those faction wide recruitable heroes.
@@Morbak546 Off the top of my head, Oxyotl, Imrik, and Alarielle have skills to unlock Skink Oracles, Nobles, and Handmaidens, in all settlements while one of Teclis' quest items unlocks Mages. It really isn't as good as it sounds. Unless you really, really, really, absolutely must have a level 1 hero right here and right now, you're always better off hiring from a province where you can hire at a higher level.
One thing about Runesmiths that i feel is worth pointing out is that they get the Sharpen Weapons action, which gets +10% missile and weapon damage for the army, which is pretty good, also Wardbreaker reduces enemy missile resistance which is very good for a missile heavy army like the Dwarfs
@@UndeadMongoose301 The Hammerers skill buff is actually ok since it also gives guardian to the Thane, great on one of Belegar's Thanes so the ethereal heroes hit the physical resistance cap. The hammerers buff itself kind of suck tho
It's actually +13% (3% base +10% from skill points). It's worth having one of them for Sharpen Weapons and Wardbreaker, because quite a lot of high tier units get 20% missile resist.
Sad part is that's about the only reason to bring them. Who wouldn't choose even eshen magic or nehekara over the new rune system? Only good part is you can make alot of runesmiths...but thanes and engis so much harder to get in quantity. Usually I fill em in for gun lines as a squishy thane to hold the line...but I lose them sometimes on tough battles.
What blows my mind about Legend is that he's not just good at optimizing one faction. He's good at all the factions in the game. Good work, man. I can't imagine how much research this one took.
So true. Sometimes he quotes his like 12k+ hours in the game as the reason, but that's not really the point - he's just being modest. Also, it's interesting to notice how his gameplay and opinions on stuff have evolved since "staunch line of spears", though. He's a smart, perfectionist exploits-loving guy playing my favorite game. Just great.
@@FreeSpirit985 and the best trait IMO. In anyone, is that he lets his opinions change based on what he sees. Instead of just believing one unit is trash forever. His experiences actually change his opinion. It’s invaluable for someone that watches his content to try and learn how to play better as I do.
@@wardenstone6021 yes, true. Though if he wasn't willing to change his mind and adjust based upon evidence, he wouldn't be on of the best (if not the best) in single player
For Empire I would say that Warrior Priests are S Tier and Witch Hunters are A, with the new Empire Buff you can get 100% success rate all the time with how the lords new skill work, when a warrior priest lord gets level 2 you can instantly increase the capacity for both Witch hunters and Warrior priests with a bonus of +2 untainted PER CHARACTER. This make it so stacking warrior priests in an army 100x easier and makes it so each gun powder army has a better front line. Plus you can wipe out corruption anywhere with just one character by around turn 50+.
I play tomb kings a lot. I know that lich priests are lacking in good lores. The one thing I think that goes overlooked in this guide is their recruitment boosts. Not only for lords but units. With their skill tree you can actually get enough of these quickly, with khatep because he boosts how many you can have and their rank, to actually recruit units at rank 9 in one army. Yes this means having 5 priests in one army all at rank 10, but recruiting army units that take advantage of all red line boosts from your lord is a great boost. Especially since your units need all the help they can get.
You're right. I started a Khatep campaign and refreshed liche priests until I got two with the wise trait. Then gave both of them the skill to recruit with an extra rank of experience. Whenever I fight a battle now, I just combine my chaff and receuit skeleton spears with 7 ranks of experience. Makes the game so much easier.
4600 hours logged, and Skaven is my favorite race, but somehow I never realized that Plague Furnace had the mortis engine effect. Thanks for another great tier list.
to be fair, once skaven start building their bells they stop having caster capacity because you get A LOT of bell polishers, which can then be equipped on each and every character therefore boosting your caster capacity without limitation
It feels like he could have split S and A tier further up. That would have provided more information. But overall great video. The positions make sense to me. Although those videos are even more about the discussion of each unit than the exact rank. At least that's what I care more for.
The fact that Waystalkers get prey of anath raema moves them to B for me, but they really got made a little redundant when glade captains got added tbh.
Yea, but at least you still get talon of kurnous trait on your lords to give you the range buff to your army. Idk I feel like they should give it to the waystalkers again but just reduce it.
I always end up adding one to hawk rider stacks as the grounded unit. Rarely ever have to hide them off in a corner either - if they get discovered just makes a nice blob target for some dwellers and volleys lol
I boosted a few wood elf archer hero with the forge of daithe stuff and they could have around 100 ammunition and 2000 damage and with like 3 or 4 of them they can delete all the heros and lords on an army faster than most things
I`d say dwarf's rune priest deserve a mention of their +10% weapon/missile str buff and -10% missile resistance to local enemies skill. I think 1 is a must have in a dwarf stack.
Ive waited so long for this. Heroes are a bit harder to understand than units. Even after playing every race on legendary oncd i am still not sure which ones are good which arent.
There are 2 things fimir balefiends are really good for. You can use them for a scary stack which is obviously the strongest army norsca can have and is cheaper than mammoth spam and you can use them to increase growth at faction capitals such as Altdorf that take forever to grow and you don't always get the opportunity to occupy them at tier 4. If you notice an incoming attack that the garrison can't handle you can just recruit a lord and put your balefiends in that army and they will usually turn things around for you, since they work well in armies that have lots of infantry like garrisons and their low speed doesn't hinder them as much when defending.
When you put them all on a screen together it doesn't actually look like an overwhelming amount. Now, put them all together on a campaign map, and you've got yourselves 5 times the turn time! Great list, there are some heroes I never checked out so I'll be sure to go back after this list.
One good thing about blunderbuss engineers are that they boost your melee, making engineers more viable as line-holders. Which works if you're not getting much value out of sniping.
I like that this whole series of tierlists for like the last 2 months will never go out of date since the game is done with updates. Perfect time to make these kinds of lists
I think that Empire Captains are pretty useful in armies. They are (with Bretonnian Paladins) the only type of heroes that can be flying AND shielded. It makes them damn efficient at disrupting the ennemy backline of missile units and artillery without being shot to death in seconds.
Another couple things thing you didn't really mention about Skink Chiefs; they can assassinate enemy heroes, boost region income and if you level them up, you can have them get vanguard deployment and stalk on a Stegadon, which can be pretty useful (especially in a pompous doomstack).
I've been absolutely binging your content allllll week and it's been really helpful and interesting as I learn twwh2, I've gotten 30 hours in the past few days and it's a blast!!!! Could you do a regiments of renown tier list?
Hey legend! Today i finished the last race left for me in Legendary/Very hard battle, Norsca. This is all you. I learnt so much watching your videos. So thank you for everything, all your advices, you're doin such a great job !
Thank you for this Tier List Legend. It is incredibly helpful. Regardless of how this content was conceived, it answered some of the questions I had when playing my campaigns. I asked for this sort of video in another Tier List and was disregarded by other viewers. Whether Legend had seen similar comments in other videos or not I feel meets some people were asking for and I am grateful for it.
and the thing is about the eshin sorcerer, even though it is probably the worst hero, in the faction it is meant for, Clan eshin, hes useful there for the shadowy dealings mechanic. so they do have their uses, which like legend said, all of them do
He is actually really good. But skaven is swimming in heroes. You will get access to way more plague/ruin priest than you can use, and plague priest are a must
I mean, you can use them for shadowy dealings, but it's super easy to have your assassin capacity higher than you could ever use, so why bother with eshin sorcerers? And master assassins can do shadowy dealings too, even if they're not on the map. Like, I have a master assassin lord that occasionally takes over when snikch needs to go on a vacation, but the rest of the time, that lord just sits in the recruit pool, carrying out my shadowy dealings and leveling while he's at it
Interesting Beastmen hero fact: both the Wargor and the Gorebull can assassinate, not just wound. I think they might be the only race with two generic assassinators.
Good video. I feel Empire Captains should have their flying mounts taken into consideration. Battlefield mobility is so useful for distracting powerful enemy units and also to focus down on artillery and archers.
The black orc big bosses can wipe out half of a Garrison in one agent action if trained properly. They're also quite effective against armies. Maybe not enough to bump them up a tier, but I think it's worth mentioning
Depends on playstyle, same as you don't see Legend spamming "assault garrison", I just don't like doing it too, it's so stupid it breaks my immersion when playing. It's not 'poison the well' or 'incite riots' as it was in historical total wars and it can't be, since orc big boss can only try to set something on fire and most likely fail at that ^^ I feel like that feature is just not needed to play this game at all.
Do different heroes have different efficiency when assaulting garrison? I used to do this action when starting playing WH2 but stopped because casualties are usually pretty pathetic even with 3 skill points in "Assault Garrison". Never tried with the BOBB though
@@alexeyalexandrov7583 BOBB gets skill unlocks that vastly improve the Assault Garrison/Units agent actions, and an ancillary that boosts them as well. Add these to the trait you get for successfully performing the action enough times and you hit 50% effectiveness. Excellent for taking out those pesky Dwarf and Lizardmen garrisons.
One good thing about waystalkers is they can fire while staying hidden-this lets someone pick off important units in an enemy army over time. Having 2 or more in an army speeds up the process of taking down power or scary enemy units. Wood Elf armies are good at hiding in forests so this can be done before the enemy army discovers most of the wood elf army and is distracted by fast moving units like glade riders or other things they can chase for awhile.
Man, I used to hate the idea of Total War mixing with fantasy but then I realized Warhammer's lore is awesome. Been reading about lords and watching videos about the game and damn, so good! Greenskins are awesome to play, having a lot of fun with Grom or "yer immensity" as we should call him.
Legend I really love your videos. I’m so hyped to see you play Warhammer 3. Started to play recently myself but I’m a bit noob. But your videos are so nice. Have a good one mate ❤️
Great tier list from legend again. Agree with pretty much every ranking and the fact that casters are all ranked so highly (well, most anyway!) currently playing my first ever Dwarfs campaign and I really miss my spell casters! 😬
as a beastmen player i miss recruiting units at rank 9 with gorebulls lol and i keep forgetting how many heroes are added with mixu's lord mods, slayer heroes, shadowdancers, as well as some lore friendly special heroes like kouran darkhand and some other awesome dudes like that
I really don't like that CA essentially nerfed master engineers last update. Like you said, skaven engineers do everything they do but better. And still, for some reason, they took away two of the master engineers best skills (range increase and reload time reduction skills). Everything else they gave them does not make up for losing those two skills at all.
Would be interesting to see a tier list of LL defeat traits, I never really prioritize any in particular but I see you focus on them a lot in doomstack videos etc. Thanks for all the S tier content man!
I think the Liche Priest was too harsh to place in "A" tier. It ncreases lord recruit rank in addition to royal burriel cha,mbers and the Great Incantation of Tahoth, increases unit experience rank in addition to other unit recruit ranks, increase local hero action success chance, decrease that of the enemy's, increase research rate slightly in addition to capturing settlements to maintain quick research times and WoM reserves on top of increases from dynasty research, Knowledgeable and if you take the Sixth Book of Nagash. If capacity is still a sticking point for people whom aren't happy they are limited, keep in mind by the time you hit the hLiche priest capacity for HQ Khalida or Settra, you shall have access to plentiful constructs from which you may destroy your enemis with if not magic in armies without a wizard. Tomb Kings have no spellcaster lord but do have access to powerful missile and monster units to offset their limited magic capabilities.
Honestly as a newish (couple months, a few hundred hours - definitely no more than 400) player, the Lizardman heroes really drew my attention precisely because they're an alternate route to dinosaurs. I play a lot of Gor Rok (he's just my favorite guy, which worked out well because he's also the easiest campaign in the game afaik) and after that first initial batch of recruited dinosaurs you make (for me that usually looks something like 3 Stegadons, maybe a couple of Balistodons with the solar beam, and two to four feral Carnosaurs (I like to have two in each army because nothing beats that speed/power/hero murdering combo) - I don't actually keep building the dinosaur building or recruiting very many of them; it's just way easier to buy lords and put them on dinosaurs as you go. There are obviously limits to this strategy and it really helps to spam a bunch of guys with the Humble trait so that in the mid game you can just hit "recruit" and get a guy on a Carnosaur immediately; but the supply line upkeep penalties and the way lizardman buildings works, more or less ensures that you can run 5-10 heroes in every army and it's super easy to get 19 of them into one army if you want it. Another upside here is that you don't have to go back home to pick them up; even if you can't recruit the hero where your army is at, he'll just happily go across the campaign map to essentially deliver your dinosaur. I tend to go with the Stegodon on my priests because the artillery function meshes well with my "keep the caster back from the front a bit" playstyle, Ancient Stegodon on the Skink Chiefs because I want to use vanguard and stalk to charge in from behind or a flank and you typically skill up the Chiefs for melee anyway, and then obviously it's great to have at least 2 and as many as 6 of those Saurus heroes on the Carnosaurs. Even the Skink Oracle, which comes on a Troglodon can slot in more or less the same place you'd put a support ranged dinosaur - like a solar beam Balistadon or maybe even the Ancient Salamander. Obviously the downside here is that your dinosaurs end up costing more upkeep. But I'd argue that even this is somewhat minimized because of pre-existing problems in the lizardman economy. Your buildings are really specialized, and generally the ones that make cash, don't do a whole lot else and the ones that do important campaign things, definitely do not make even small amounts of offset money. Lizardman fortifications for example, are a dead slot when it comes to your economy. This sort of forces you to not only specialize cities in terms of what type of troops they can make, but sometimes specialize them as non-military regions at all - purely for the cash multiplication buildings that make your economy go. Using the heroes as dinosaurs methods, saves you at least the dinosaur building slot, and sort of allows you to put your Stegos and Carnisaurs on "layaway" in the early game, at which point you can easily afford to level them up. Given that you kinda want all those upkeep reductions in the blue line on the skill tree anyway (dinosaurs are expensive and you save more money than other factions that way) - just keeping them in armies can solve most of your cash problems; I've never even had to dismount this way. Agree 100% with your lizardman hero rankings; at least from my experience so far.
For high elves, I love stacking heroes with the Honed trait in a single army for the +5 melee attack and defense to spearmen, archers, Lothern Sea Guard etc. and getting a doomstack of shielded LSG with like 80+ melee defense and 55% missile block, making them even tankier than Ironbreakers, with a missile attack and anti-large bonus to boot. So much fun. Only weakness is the lack of AP damage so a checkerboard with LSG at the front and Sisters of Avelorn at the back is unstoppable, really good against high mobility armies like Dark Elves and Beastmen, or missile-heavy armies like Skaven
Dayum, you did Eshin Sorcerers dirty P.S: I'd say the Malevolent branchwraits of Drycha deserved their own entry, since they are distinct in relation to the regular ones that have the mixture of lores of magic
i like using empire captains on the pegasus mount to snipe enemy artillery or to lure a bunch of units in a blob for the fire wizards to deal with. Captains have a lot of stat bonuses in their leveling tree that help with that.
Some possible future Tier L/R suggestions (some are ofc more suitable / interesting than others :P) *Legendary Lord comparison Tier List* (you got Factions, not Lords, and maybe some people would like to have a single vid of ranking all the lords instead of having to look for the vid of every race's LL plus maybe the comparison factor would let them be in another Tier than expected, but that one is just a maybe) *Quest Battle Difficulty Tier List* (especially Norsca's Beast hunts are something you hear nothing about and the vids a looked up for that a preeeeeetty old) I always wanna do the QB before looking it up in case I struggle, but knowing which ones are early game doablr and which need an actual strong army in a single vid would also be quite nice n handy *Technology Tree Tier List* I find it that there are huge differences in quality when it comes to the different Tech Trees of races (and even sometimes factions!) *Enjoy Factor Tier List* Some factions are too easy and get boring fast others are hard but quite rewarding and fun after the struggle *Early - (e.g. 30 turn til 1st chaos wave) / Late Game (post chaos til turn xy) Strength Ranking* Hard to do ones especially with pics in Tiermaker: *Landmark Tier List*
IMO for the High Elves, i like to bring a Mage to make use of the Winds in each army, so mages should be Conductors, and 5 Map Mages that are Administrators, as they will make everything take only ONE turn to build, and all but the most expensive buildings completely free, thats HUGE for expansion. Instead, use Handmaidens for the Entrepreneur trait, since you will want to build a Grove for innate corruption counter in every settlement (plus the Sisters) as well as the Mage Tower, so you should always have equal amounts of them. Early game though, sure, use Mages. As for the Growth, i go for Loremasters with the Fecund trait (+50 Growth each locally and +5 global) instead of the Handmaidens, as since theyre very handy to help break down walls for sieges, theyll be generally keeping up with your expansion. Yes, Handmaidens can also get Fecund for a total of 85 local growth, but what else will you use Loremasters for? might as well make use of them, and if you get enough you hardly notice a difference, and works instantly as you recruit rather than needing to level up the Handmaidens.
Been loving watching these tier list learning so much more about the game!! Would love to see you do full faction list break down video now game 2 is at the end of its cycle, even though these are pretty much that but there’s so many new dlc units I have never seen or heard of could be good content 👌🏽
You gotta give goblin big bosses more of a shot in battle. Firstly, you end up with a ludicrous capacity for them very quickly so you can afford to have some in and out of armies. Secondly they are surprisingly useful in a wide range of circumstances for the greenskins. The first and fore most is gooning down lords. Between the fact that they can get +24 MA from skills, can access poison attacks, move /very/ quickly, and can shred 24 MD & 30 armour from a lord/hero means that they can pair up with another single entity and smack down with even some of the scariest late game lord threats in pretty short order. I had one army in a recent campaign fielded by a generic lord, defeat Belegar, Grombrindal, and Ungrim each 3 times in 6 or 7 turns, limiting each of those lords to a single digit number of kills with just the pairing of a GBB, and BOBB. The second reason why they're great to take is that, being a single entity, they soak splash hits. This is almost always useful for the greenskins as they almost can't run without infantry of some kind. I personally much rather let a carnosaur waste 3 minutes gnashing away at my GBB and only getting him to half hp, then to let it get even a single kill on a regular gobbo, black orc, or savage orc biggun. The third reason is just that they are a hero unit. They can bring in the disciplined trait (particularly useful for greenskins), items like glimmering scales to debuff enemies, and their leadership aura. Oh and greenskin followers can provide /dramatic/ boosts to economy like the ones that boost income from sacking, which requires the hero be attached to an army.
Skinwolves are S tier all day long. crazy good in melee and regen. Strongest no magic doomstack in game. Massive melee attack increasing traits and if you equip them all with good gear they are unstoppable regening and fighting battle after battle
one thing you have overlooked, drycha gets special branchwraiths called malevolent branchwraiths. they are attuned to a lore of magic (beast, life or shadows) so they essentially function like spellsingers with the combat prowess of regular branchwraiths, and they also get frenzy. they are tough fighters and have access to arcane conduit, whereas regular branchwraiths do not have arcane conduit and only get a combination of shadow and life spells. i put two of them (life and shadows) in an army of treebois led by durthu and it's much better than having squishy mages, so yeah, definitely S tier for the malevolent ones i would say.
The Empire Captain is good in Arch Lector / Huntsmaster armies because it gives you a melee flying unit since you don't have the griffon mount for the lord. Super useful for holding up fell bats / vargheists, which are a major threat to empire artillery.
Thanks a lot for your videos, they improved my game experience a ton. TW warhammer 2 is a very complex game, and thanks to you, I understand more and more of what is happening. Btw with the dark elves, isn't it the sorceress that increases public order?
I think the werekin deserved S tier, I mean if it's a common doomstack choice then why not? Though to be fair, it is norsca and those poor bastards don't have much going for them.
Not sure if Drycha's Branchwraiths fit in here, but I think they are more amazing than regular Branchwraiths. You get to pick their lore of magic, so the life ones have regen, life spells, and are decent fighters on top of getting the Branchwraith traits. I'd put Drycha's Branchwraiths at S teir.
Another really great thing about River Troll Hags is they count as a siege attacker. So versatile even Legend couldn't think of everything haha
Their biggest flaw is low armor
@@indrickboreale7381 Eh, anything worth worrying about has AP anyway. River Troll Hags have a nice big bag of hitpoints, get some fire resist to cover the weakness of regen, and so are generally pretty durable. They don't duel well, but they're wizards so they're not supposed to.
@@AshenVictor in one of milkandcookiestw multiplayer matches he had a fight between wood elves and greenskins (so non-upgraded units) there was 2 river troll hags and first one got deleted by ranged fire very early on and second one was deleted by being surrounded with a single great stag knight unit - the ror version. (never seen any other hero unit die that quickly)
They both died incredibly quickly in that match... im not sure how much you can buff them in campaign to make that not the case? :P
Not questioning their spellcasting ability tho.
@@Otakahunt Well, they really need support to do anything in melee. You can buff them quite a bit, but more importantly this list is meant for campaign, where the AI won't be "as smart" as players when focusing heroes.
@@Otakahunt troll hags are large units. They're easy to hit with missiles and if surrounded they can be attacked by multiple units. That's why they're so easy to kill despite their hp in those situations. But put them in the middle of your own infantry you'll see that they can last quite a while.
Legend: “No heroes in this game are bad. All viable to an extent.”
Also Legend: “I never get Eshin Sorcerers, they SUCK”
Lol love it.
i love the eschin sorc with the big boys in the thott campaign =)
Every rule has an exception, except this one.
@@jimbraatz4514 All-stalking armies are the only time you should be using the Eshin Sorcerer. Which isn't never, but it's at most a couple armies.
There's only one way to use the eshin sorcerer : make use of the shuriken. A lot. Just constantly harass enemy lord with them. They are a great projectile for dealing with lord, heroes and monsters tbh.
@@Alienoiable I disagree with ranking them as the worst hero in the game. If you're mostly using doomstacks then I can see why you might not like them but ignoring them altogether, especially on Legendary, is downright dumb.
1. Unlike most other projectile spells, Warp Stars go straight through anything between the caster and the target. With proper positioning it's easy to get 50 kills per cast.
2. Veil of Shadows and Black Whirlwind are effectively the Skaven's Net of Amyntok, for ground troops anyway.
3. They are good enough in melee to be able to help any unit in trouble, and have the tools to help that unit and themself escape. They can tank half a stack of low tier troops like goblins all on their lonesome while dishing out the pain, and that's pretty damn good for a caster without a mount.
4. They're small targets with 20% Missile Resistance, Vanguard, and Stalk. They're also fast enough to outrun most infantry.
5. Most important of all Toxic Rain, their Lore Attribute, stacks with poison and you can keep it up pretty consistently. Map-wide -10% melee and ranged damage is good but combine it with any source of poison like hero weapons, Gutter Runners, or Bless with Filth, and that goes up to -25%. Toxic Rain also provides -10% speed, which stacks not only with the -15% speed from poison but also the -10% from the Plague Priest's Plague Rash attribute, AND the -35% speed from Ratling Guns, for a grand total of -70% speed, all while making summoned Clanrats take up to 25% less damage. How can that NOT be useful on any difficulty, let alone Legendary?
Eshin Sorc's make Assassins and Plague Priests better.
This is my absolute jam
What about jelly
Inspiration for a few more "19/20 X" videos perhaps?
He’s up to something
You know the deal, time to make meme stacks
"There needs to be an SS tier for high elf mages." - Legend of Total War 2021. Also high elves in Elder Scrolls, probably.
Is that a joke about the High Elves being Nazis in the Elder Scrolls?
@@steakdriven yes
"Are we the bad guys?"
High elf talking to another after massacring a humam population, causing a civil war in skyrim and subjugating the empire because of how they pray wrong...
As a german, SS Tier confuses me ;)
@@naljiaskal5004 ah yes the ss animal. ;)
Another great thing about Legend is that he listens to what we want and makes videos on those. Cheers man for all your content
LegendofTotalWar does not listen to his viewers (unless it is criticism, which he tends to take quite personally)
LegendofTotalWar primarily follows the view counts. He cares A LOT about TH-cam's algorithm and the consistent view counts.
After years of watching Legend you will notice that he also prefers content that requires zero to minimum post-production effort . This is why his content is usually all made in one take and non-scripted. He may use prompts.
The content of Legend's which has the most effort, and ironically his highet view counts, are his "top 5" videos. But, they require lots of prep and editing; so he doesn't think the effort is worth it. As mentioned above, he cares more for consistent viewership; despite his viewers constantly asking for more of this, Legend will be the first to tell his audience that he doesn't like putting in that much effort. These tier lists are a gold mine for him. Absolutely zero prep-time and no scripts. He is literally just sharing his experience and then rakes in the views. Personally, I think it's a win-win.
The reason his videos are popular is because of his candidness and conversational themes. When Legend streams or makes videos he makes his audience feel as though he is talking to them from across a table as apposed to talking TO them with scripts. This is why I love Legend, anyway.
To say that Legend listens to his viewers is complete and utter nonsense. If legend does something that viewers asked for, then it is simply a matter of what coincides with the least amount of effort and what boosts his algorithm score.
This comment is not criticism. It is just an observation from years of watching his videos and streams.
@@danieltadd You are confusing loud minorities as actual "viewers".
As an example at this moment this video has 26k views, 2.6k likes and not even 2 hundred comments.
If you believe the comment section is your viewer base, you are really wrong.
Listening the data is listening the audience.
Only for very specific things (like getting a specific topic for something) the comments are worth it.
@@danieltadd it seems like it could have been in the past as this Hero tier list has been requested some time ago and he delivered..I agree that what's good about him is his honesty with what he wants from us and from TH-cam, but to me it's worth more as its not hidden behind any masks. If he was exactly as you said, he would make a lot more promoted videos. Moreover, he does hours and hours of campaigns he doesn't want (some he rightly quits if people lose interest) just from what we ask. That takes dedication and even if a little, the will to fulfill our viewing desires
@@danieltadd I've actually thought of nearly everything you've said myself at some point and I think its true, it's quite apparent to see with his blood dragon doomstack non apology.
@@flaviostefanutti1106 He was going to make this video from the very beginning when he saw how much we liked this. If you want to see how much he really cares, go watch the blood dragon doomstack video he has out. The one where he uses the actual blood dragons instead of wind of deathing everything.
A great thing about skink chiefs:
You can give them stalk
An army of stalking stegadons
And poison attacks!
@@jacobherrera4616 stegadons already deal poison attack
@@millerrepin4452 stegadons don't deal poisoned attacks at base. Maybe the ancient stegadon howta attacks do, but not their melee attacks
The day I noticed I could put my SC on an ancient steggo in the vanguard deploy zone and give him stalk was the day I stopped buying Red Crested Skinks for anyone but Tenny. "Sneak Steggodon" is the entire reason I don't suck at beating the crazy amount of Vampire Coast guys you fight in the Lustrian midgames. "Oh wow man, you have a bunch of artillery? That's cool bro; have an Ancient Stegadon behind your lines - I guess there's a Skink Chief on the back buffing it up too... kthanxbye."
Edit: I guess I should just add that you have to remember to take him off skirmish; took me a really long time to realize the Ancient Stegadon is basically a line pulverizer and not "a much crappier version of the regular Stegodon with worse range" because I never just put him into melee mode and sent him in - after a while I noticed him behaving like the biggest skink skirmisher in history and realized I was using him wrong. Beginner problems, lol.
Imagine getting snuck up on by a massive dinosaur
Can we get a non-legendary Lord tier ranking? Would be interesting to here your take on the options for each faction.
The best are HE lords with their boosted traits (and rolling their traits isn't as grindy as DE titles)
@@indrickboreale7381 generic Vampire lords are much better. They can solo armies with winds of death
I was hope to watch them with heroes :(
I second this
@@Shnarg100 You mean semi-legendary Bloodline lords?
I'd like to mention the High Elf fire mage gets a special mount. A sun dragon.
He did mention that. Not very clearly but if you know about it he did say it. "if you want to burn enemies with dragons" just forgot the mount part
Dragons are overrated anyway. They are too big target for enemy's ranged fire.
@@KazeKoichi Well, you have to be careful with them, for sure. But putting mages on flying mounts is pretty much always really good. Makes it so easy to position them for a good cast. Can fly forward, cast, then fly back out of the line of fire again. Needs to be micro'd a bit but still really nice.
@@KazeKoichi he's also mainly talking about campaign where there's basically no reason to not use dragons
@@KazeKoichi Thing is though, mages do have tiny health pools, so putting them on a dragon is a big thing since their HP increases a bunch and is good in case of overcast miscasts. And even though they are bigger targets, the incendiary trait basically makes them one of the strongest 'doomstacks' in the game. It does take ages to get them to that point, though.
Im always conflicted on Dragons, I think as a unit they suck, but as a mount they are awesome. I put all lords on dragon mounts if they have one available.
these tierlists bring SUCH JOY to my heart
Plague Priest = Best priest, yes-yes. 😌
Eshin assassin: no no we shall kill kill you when you sleep yes yes
@@memesofwarhemmer7076 meanwhile the chieftain and pack master gently pet their mounts. Let's face it all of the Skaven hero's are pretty decent! Just depends on faction/army composition.
The madlad did it! Generic lord tier list next?!
I'm trying to think how many that would be if you consider every Archmage lore a separate one for instance (which you have to because a HE Life archmage for instance has a WILDLY different value than, say, high magic archmage)
@@JB-xl2jc like this vid, just group them together and quickly mention the best/worst ones
@@JB-xl2jc i think that would just come down to the lore of magic tier list tbh. the same generic lords with different spells ain't really different from each other, aside from the spells, and that's simply the lore, not the lords.
Couldn't help but crack up at the cursed thought of a High Elven "SS" wizard. Something tells me the trait 'Hates Dwarves' will be on heavy rotation in their recruitment pool...
What? The tall, blond, pure and superior race? Being rascist? What're you impling my guy?
@@matiasmattera6650 well, all elves are corrupted by chaos. The elven corruption makes their racism manifest in different ways
Wood Elves isolate from everyone
Dark Elves enslave everyone
High Elves look down on everyone
Entrepreneur Needs to be capped it’s simply an exploits for a race that doesn’t need help with money. They need a province limits and a global Limit On bonuses in general
@@sev1120 sounds like the Eldar except for wood elves cuz wood
@@rockstar450 it isn't an exploit. an exploit means doing something the game does not mean for you to do or has no previous intentions in letting you do that. whilst the trait is clearly there for that purpose and that purpose only, no other roundabout way about it.
I'll just add my little grain of salt about the witch hunters: If you own middenheim and build the high temple of middenheim (tier 5), you gain the ability to recruit witch hunters everywhere, even in ruined settlements, wich is great in an emergency or when you want to blitzkrieg your way into an area with attrition (by delaying enemy armies or killiing enemy heroes)
Even in ruined settlements? WTF?
@@sokar_rostau yep, as long as your factions owns the ruin you can access the hero recruiting window and you'll see that the witch hunters aee available
@@Morbak546 Oh, you mean a ruin you've just settled and haven't yet repaired? That's not what most people would call a ruin. Many, if not most, factions have a lord skill/trait or special building that allows agent recruitment in any owned settlement. It's not special to Witch Hunters.
@@sokar_rostau That's the difference I make between a ruin and a ruined settlement idk what most people think.
As a total war noob, I haven't played any other faction than the Empire and Bretonnia so I'd like you to give me some exemples regarding those faction wide recruitable heroes.
@@Morbak546 Off the top of my head,
Oxyotl, Imrik, and Alarielle have skills to unlock Skink Oracles, Nobles, and Handmaidens, in all settlements while one of Teclis' quest items unlocks Mages.
It really isn't as good as it sounds. Unless you really, really, really, absolutely must have a level 1 hero right here and right now, you're always better off hiring from a province where you can hire at a higher level.
One thing about Runesmiths that i feel is worth pointing out is that they get the Sharpen Weapons action, which gets +10% missile and weapon damage for the army, which is pretty good, also Wardbreaker reduces enemy missile resistance which is very good for a missile heavy army like the Dwarfs
Same with thanes being able to buff irondrakes, ironbreakers and rangers. We don't talk about the hammerer buff skill though.
@@UndeadMongoose301 The Hammerers skill buff is actually ok since it also gives guardian to the Thane, great on one of Belegar's Thanes so the ethereal heroes hit the physical resistance cap.
The hammerers buff itself kind of suck tho
It's actually +13% (3% base +10% from skill points). It's worth having one of them for Sharpen Weapons and Wardbreaker, because quite a lot of high tier units get 20% missile resist.
Does it stack?
Sad part is that's about the only reason to bring them. Who wouldn't choose even eshen magic or nehekara over the new rune system?
Only good part is you can make alot of runesmiths...but thanes and engis so much harder to get in quantity. Usually I fill em in for gun lines as a squishy thane to hold the line...but I lose them sometimes on tough battles.
What blows my mind about Legend is that he's not just good at optimizing one faction. He's good at all the factions in the game. Good work, man. I can't imagine how much research this one took.
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So true. Sometimes he quotes his like 12k+ hours in the game as the reason, but that's not really the point - he's just being modest.
Also, it's interesting to notice how his gameplay and opinions on stuff have evolved since "staunch line of spears", though.
He's a smart, perfectionist exploits-loving guy playing my favorite game. Just great.
@@FreeSpirit985 and the best trait IMO. In anyone, is that he lets his opinions change based on what he sees. Instead of just believing one unit is trash forever. His experiences actually change his opinion. It’s invaluable for someone that watches his content to try and learn how to play better as I do.
@@wardenstone6021 yes, true. Though if he wasn't willing to change his mind and adjust based upon evidence, he wouldn't be on of the best (if not the best) in single player
For Empire I would say that Warrior Priests are S Tier and Witch Hunters are A, with the new Empire Buff you can get 100% success rate all the time with how the lords new skill work, when a warrior priest lord gets level 2 you can instantly increase the capacity for both Witch hunters and Warrior priests with a bonus of +2 untainted PER CHARACTER. This make it so stacking warrior priests in an army 100x easier and makes it so each gun powder army has a better front line. Plus you can wipe out corruption anywhere with just one character by around turn 50+.
@tobias76 To be fair it's not like the Empire suddenly became a top teir faction because of it
I play tomb kings a lot. I know that lich priests are lacking in good lores. The one thing I think that goes overlooked in this guide is their recruitment boosts. Not only for lords but units. With their skill tree you can actually get enough of these quickly, with khatep because he boosts how many you can have and their rank, to actually recruit units at rank 9 in one army. Yes this means having 5 priests in one army all at rank 10, but recruiting army units that take advantage of all red line boosts from your lord is a great boost. Especially since your units need all the help they can get.
You're right. I started a Khatep campaign and refreshed liche priests until I got two with the wise trait. Then gave both of them the skill to recruit with an extra rank of experience. Whenever I fight a battle now, I just combine my chaff and receuit skeleton spears with 7 ranks of experience. Makes the game so much easier.
@@LanceF7 yeah just wait for your tomb scorpions
4600 hours logged, and Skaven is my favorite race, but somehow I never realized that Plague Furnace had the mortis engine effect. Thanks for another great tier list.
I once killed Dread Saurian with only Plague Priest on mount
@@indrickboreale7381 I see you play with time limits turned off...
@@sokar_rostau I won after this kill, because Furnace of Plague was clearing the walls all the time
This feels like the most ambitious one yet. I imagine Legend is doing all of this in one take with no notes, such is his mastery of the game.
Generic Lord tier list too, just to complete the set? Like, which one's best to recruit for your armies?
to be fair, once skaven start building their bells they stop having caster capacity because you get A LOT of bell polishers, which can then be equipped on each and every character therefore boosting your caster capacity without limitation
It feels like he could have split S and A tier further up. That would have provided more information. But overall great video. The positions make sense to me. Although those videos are even more about the discussion of each unit than the exact rank. At least that's what I care more for.
Agreed. He could have had AA group and SS group.
The fact that Waystalkers get prey of anath raema moves them to B for me, but they really got made a little redundant when glade captains got added tbh.
Yea, but at least you still get talon of kurnous trait on your lords to give you the range buff to your army.
Idk I feel like they should give it to the waystalkers again but just reduce it.
I always end up adding one to hawk rider stacks as the grounded unit.
Rarely ever have to hide them off in a corner either - if they get discovered just makes a nice blob target for some dwellers and volleys lol
@@M.L.official yeah they should give it back its not like they were op or anything, or make Prey of anath raema AOE instead of single target.
Glade Captains only get Arrow doh.
I boosted a few wood elf archer hero with the forge of daithe stuff and they could have around 100 ammunition and 2000 damage and with like 3 or 4 of them they can delete all the heros and lords on an army faster than most things
I`d say dwarf's rune priest deserve a mention of their +10% weapon/missile str buff and -10% missile resistance to local enemies skill. I think 1 is a must have in a dwarf stack.
Ive waited so long for this. Heroes are a bit harder to understand than units. Even after playing every race on legendary oncd i am still not sure which ones are good which arent.
I love that you explain everything so clearly, you really show us your knowledge of the game! That's what I think I enjoy most about your channel
There are 2 things fimir balefiends are really good for. You can use them for a scary stack which is obviously the strongest army norsca can have and is cheaper than mammoth spam and you can use them to increase growth at faction capitals such as Altdorf that take forever to grow and you don't always get the opportunity to occupy them at tier 4. If you notice an incoming attack that the garrison can't handle you can just recruit a lord and put your balefiends in that army and they will usually turn things around for you, since they work well in armies that have lots of infantry like garrisons and their low speed doesn't hinder them as much when defending.
When you put them all on a screen together it doesn't actually look like an overwhelming amount. Now, put them all together on a campaign map, and you've got yourselves 5 times the turn time! Great list, there are some heroes I never checked out so I'll be sure to go back after this list.
One good thing about blunderbuss engineers are that they boost your melee, making engineers more viable as line-holders. Which works if you're not getting much value out of sniping.
I like that this whole series of tierlists for like the last 2 months will never go out of date since the game is done with updates. Perfect time to make these kinds of lists
We did ask for it, and now, it's finally here! GOOD JOB LEGEND! *tumbs up*
I think that Empire Captains are pretty useful in armies.
They are (with Bretonnian Paladins) the only type of heroes that can be flying AND shielded. It makes them damn efficient at disrupting the ennemy backline of missile units and artillery without being shot to death in seconds.
Another couple things thing you didn't really mention about Skink Chiefs; they can assassinate enemy heroes, boost region income and if you level them up, you can have them get vanguard deployment and stalk on a Stegadon, which can be pretty useful (especially in a pompous doomstack).
Uuuhhhhh!
Our Legend of a Hero making a Hero Tier Ranking, was about about time matey!
I've been absolutely binging your content allllll week and it's been really helpful and interesting as I learn twwh2, I've gotten 30 hours in the past few days and it's a blast!!!! Could you do a regiments of renown tier list?
Yeah warhammer has so many different races and how they play legend basically gives new and veteran players great tips
holy shit, this is gonna be a big one. Plague-Priest ftw
Hey legend! Today i finished the last race left for me in Legendary/Very hard battle, Norsca. This is all you. I learnt so much watching your videos. So thank you for everything, all your advices, you're doin such a great job !
Thank you for this Tier List Legend. It is incredibly helpful.
Regardless of how this content was conceived, it answered some of the questions I had when playing my campaigns. I asked for this sort of video in another Tier List and was disregarded by other viewers. Whether Legend had seen similar comments in other videos or not I feel meets some people were asking for and I am grateful for it.
and the thing is about the eshin sorcerer, even though it is probably the worst hero, in the faction it is meant for, Clan eshin, hes useful there for the shadowy dealings mechanic. so they do have their uses, which like legend said, all of them do
He is actually really good. But skaven is swimming in heroes. You will get access to way more plague/ruin priest than you can use, and plague priest are a must
I mean, you can use them for shadowy dealings, but it's super easy to have your assassin capacity higher than you could ever use, so why bother with eshin sorcerers? And master assassins can do shadowy dealings too, even if they're not on the map. Like, I have a master assassin lord that occasionally takes over when snikch needs to go on a vacation, but the rest of the time, that lord just sits in the recruit pool, carrying out my shadowy dealings and leveling while he's at it
Seeing this in my feed, absolutely knew what I was gonna watch over dinner. Time to feast on good food and greater knowledge!
Interesting Beastmen hero fact: both the Wargor and the Gorebull can assassinate, not just wound. I think they might be the only race with two generic assassinators.
They are!
Nice! Glad to see this list finally come out.
I wouldnt mind seeing a lord tier list, possibly 🙏
Flying fire wizards best-greatest.
Good video. I feel Empire Captains should have their flying mounts taken into consideration. Battlefield mobility is so useful for distracting powerful enemy units and also to focus down on artillery and archers.
The problem is that the empire doesn't face many missile-focused enemies.
Love waking up with my Coffee on day off to see an hour long legend video
The black orc big bosses can wipe out half of a Garrison in one agent action if trained properly. They're also quite effective against armies. Maybe not enough to bump them up a tier, but I think it's worth mentioning
Depends on playstyle, same as you don't see Legend spamming "assault garrison", I just don't like doing it too, it's so stupid it breaks my immersion when playing. It's not 'poison the well' or 'incite riots' as it was in historical total wars and it can't be, since orc big boss can only try to set something on fire and most likely fail at that ^^ I feel like that feature is just not needed to play this game at all.
Do different heroes have different efficiency when assaulting garrison? I used to do this action when starting playing WH2 but stopped because casualties are usually pretty pathetic even with 3 skill points in "Assault Garrison". Never tried with the BOBB though
@@alexeyalexandrov7583 BOBB gets skill unlocks that vastly improve the Assault Garrison/Units agent actions, and an ancillary that boosts them as well. Add these to the trait you get for successfully performing the action enough times and you hit 50% effectiveness. Excellent for taking out those pesky Dwarf and Lizardmen garrisons.
@@jakubs.5966 think of them sneaking in and then rampaging through the barracks. Or just setting fire to them.
One good thing about waystalkers is they can fire while staying hidden-this lets someone pick off important units in an enemy army over time. Having 2 or more in an army speeds up the process of taking down power or scary enemy units. Wood Elf armies are good at hiding in forests so this can be done before the enemy army discovers most of the wood elf army and is distracted by fast moving units like glade riders or other things they can chase for awhile.
The joy of seeing a Legend tier list in my recommended is immeasurable. You are the real S tier, Legend. We love you.
Man, I used to hate the idea of Total War mixing with fantasy but then I realized Warhammer's lore is awesome. Been reading about lords and watching videos about the game and damn, so good! Greenskins are awesome to play, having a lot of fun with Grom or "yer immensity" as we should call him.
Seen the title, instant like, was waiting for this one!
This was very educational, it really puts heroes in a broader perspective. Thanks, Legend!
I’d also mention how auto resolve treat these heroes. For example warrior priests in auto resolve commit hari Kari almost every battle.
Thank you so much for doing this one legend!
Legend I really love your videos. I’m so hyped to see you play Warhammer 3. Started to play recently myself but I’m a bit noob. But your videos are so nice. Have a good one mate ❤️
Great tier list from legend again. Agree with pretty much every ranking and the fact that casters are all ranked so highly (well, most anyway!) currently playing my first ever Dwarfs campaign and I really miss my spell casters! 😬
I feel like i been attending school for total war warhammer with these videos
2k hours into the game and still learning a lot from Legend's videos
as a beastmen player i miss recruiting units at rank 9 with gorebulls lol and i keep forgetting how many heroes are added with mixu's lord mods, slayer heroes, shadowdancers, as well as some lore friendly special heroes like kouran darkhand and some other awesome dudes like that
I really don't like that CA essentially nerfed master engineers last update. Like you said, skaven engineers do everything they do but better. And still, for some reason, they took away two of the master engineers best skills (range increase and reload time reduction skills). Everything else they gave them does not make up for losing those two skills at all.
Would be interesting to see a tier list of LL defeat traits, I never really prioritize any in particular but I see you focus on them a lot in doomstack videos etc. Thanks for all the S tier content man!
I think the Liche Priest was too harsh to place in "A" tier. It ncreases lord recruit rank in addition to royal burriel cha,mbers and the Great Incantation of Tahoth, increases unit experience rank in addition to other unit recruit ranks, increase local hero action success chance, decrease that of the enemy's, increase research rate slightly in addition to capturing settlements to maintain quick research times and WoM reserves on top of increases from dynasty research, Knowledgeable and if you take the Sixth Book of Nagash.
If capacity is still a sticking point for people whom aren't happy they are limited, keep in mind by the time you hit the hLiche priest capacity for HQ Khalida or Settra, you shall have access to plentiful constructs from which you may destroy your enemis with if not magic in armies without a wizard.
Tomb Kings have no spellcaster lord but do have access to powerful missile and monster units to offset their limited magic capabilities.
Legend listens to the fans! Awesome video!
This is the tier ranking I've been waiting for!
Thank you so much ! I was waiting for that one.
This is the list I was waiting for! All hail legend 🤴
And here I thought you were actually out of tier lists. Nice work!
Defiantly been waiting for this one! Thanks Legend!
Great list!!! I was struggling to understand which hero did what up until now. That helped a lot. Can you make non-legendary lord tier list next?
I always feel so pointlessly smug whenever Legend ranks something the way I would. Like, "yeah! I knew that was good! Haha!"
You make A LOT of great videos mate. Thank you.
LOVING these tier lists. Maybe you can do generic lords next?
Honestly as a newish (couple months, a few hundred hours - definitely no more than 400) player, the Lizardman heroes really drew my attention precisely because they're an alternate route to dinosaurs.
I play a lot of Gor Rok (he's just my favorite guy, which worked out well because he's also the easiest campaign in the game afaik) and after that first initial batch of recruited dinosaurs you make (for me that usually looks something like 3 Stegadons, maybe a couple of Balistodons with the solar beam, and two to four feral Carnosaurs (I like to have two in each army because nothing beats that speed/power/hero murdering combo) - I don't actually keep building the dinosaur building or recruiting very many of them; it's just way easier to buy lords and put them on dinosaurs as you go.
There are obviously limits to this strategy and it really helps to spam a bunch of guys with the Humble trait so that in the mid game you can just hit "recruit" and get a guy on a Carnosaur immediately; but the supply line upkeep penalties and the way lizardman buildings works, more or less ensures that you can run 5-10 heroes in every army and it's super easy to get 19 of them into one army if you want it. Another upside here is that you don't have to go back home to pick them up; even if you can't recruit the hero where your army is at, he'll just happily go across the campaign map to essentially deliver your dinosaur.
I tend to go with the Stegodon on my priests because the artillery function meshes well with my "keep the caster back from the front a bit" playstyle, Ancient Stegodon on the Skink Chiefs because I want to use vanguard and stalk to charge in from behind or a flank and you typically skill up the Chiefs for melee anyway, and then obviously it's great to have at least 2 and as many as 6 of those Saurus heroes on the Carnosaurs. Even the Skink Oracle, which comes on a Troglodon can slot in more or less the same place you'd put a support ranged dinosaur - like a solar beam Balistadon or maybe even the Ancient Salamander.
Obviously the downside here is that your dinosaurs end up costing more upkeep. But I'd argue that even this is somewhat minimized because of pre-existing problems in the lizardman economy. Your buildings are really specialized, and generally the ones that make cash, don't do a whole lot else and the ones that do important campaign things, definitely do not make even small amounts of offset money. Lizardman fortifications for example, are a dead slot when it comes to your economy. This sort of forces you to not only specialize cities in terms of what type of troops they can make, but sometimes specialize them as non-military regions at all - purely for the cash multiplication buildings that make your economy go.
Using the heroes as dinosaurs methods, saves you at least the dinosaur building slot, and sort of allows you to put your Stegos and Carnisaurs on "layaway" in the early game, at which point you can easily afford to level them up. Given that you kinda want all those upkeep reductions in the blue line on the skill tree anyway (dinosaurs are expensive and you save more money than other factions that way) - just keeping them in armies can solve most of your cash problems; I've never even had to dismount this way.
Agree 100% with your lizardman hero rankings; at least from my experience so far.
We need a tier list of your tier lists now please.
You are my favorite hero mister Legend
Giving ammo to Ironbreakers, and even miners with blast charges, is one of my favourites features of the engineer.
For high elves, I love stacking heroes with the Honed trait in a single army for the +5 melee attack and defense to spearmen, archers, Lothern Sea Guard etc. and getting a doomstack of shielded LSG with like 80+ melee defense and 55% missile block, making them even tankier than Ironbreakers, with a missile attack and anti-large bonus to boot. So much fun. Only weakness is the lack of AP damage so a checkerboard with LSG at the front and Sisters of Avelorn at the back is unstoppable, really good against high mobility armies like Dark Elves and Beastmen, or missile-heavy armies like Skaven
Dayum, you did Eshin Sorcerers dirty
P.S: I'd say the Malevolent branchwraits of Drycha deserved their own entry, since they are distinct in relation to the regular ones that have the mixture of lores of magic
Starting the morning off right, with an hour video on Warhammer heroes. *sips coffee*
You forgot to mention how different branchwraiths work as drycha. They are 100% different under her. They are her spellsingers
Nice content, finally a HERO list
OOOOOOO time to get comfy! thanks for new vid legend!!
Legend is right. instant-gaming has call of the beastmen for almost half the cost.
Having all the portraits put together really shows how derpy they look. XD
i like using empire captains on the pegasus mount to snipe enemy artillery or to lure a bunch of units in a blob for the fire wizards to deal with. Captains have a lot of stat bonuses in their leveling tree that help with that.
Truly is the LegendofTotalWar. These tierlists are A1
A1 steak sauce got nothing on HP sauce.
@@andypants1000 Is that a steak sauce also?
Yes? And no.
Some possible future Tier L/R suggestions (some are ofc more suitable / interesting than others :P)
*Legendary Lord comparison Tier List*
(you got Factions, not Lords, and maybe some people would like to have a single vid of ranking all the lords instead of having to look for the vid of every race's LL plus maybe the comparison factor would let them be in another Tier than expected, but that one is just a maybe)
*Quest Battle Difficulty Tier List*
(especially Norsca's Beast hunts are something you hear nothing about and the vids a looked up for that a preeeeeetty old)
I always wanna do the QB before looking it up in case I struggle, but knowing which ones are early game doablr and which need an actual strong army in a single vid would also be quite nice n handy
*Technology Tree Tier List*
I find it that there are huge differences in quality when it comes to the different Tech Trees of races (and even sometimes factions!)
*Enjoy Factor Tier List*
Some factions are too easy and get boring fast others are hard but quite rewarding and fun after the struggle
*Early - (e.g. 30 turn til 1st chaos wave) / Late Game (post chaos til turn xy) Strength Ranking*
Hard to do ones especially with pics in Tiermaker:
*Landmark Tier List*
Yes. Especially last one!
Last one is one I'd love to see.
IMO for the High Elves, i like to bring a Mage to make use of the Winds in each army, so mages should be Conductors, and 5 Map Mages that are Administrators, as they will make everything take only ONE turn to build, and all but the most expensive buildings completely free, thats HUGE for expansion. Instead, use Handmaidens for the Entrepreneur trait, since you will want to build a Grove for innate corruption counter in every settlement (plus the Sisters) as well as the Mage Tower, so you should always have equal amounts of them. Early game though, sure, use Mages. As for the Growth, i go for Loremasters with the Fecund trait (+50 Growth each locally and +5 global) instead of the Handmaidens, as since theyre very handy to help break down walls for sieges, theyll be generally keeping up with your expansion. Yes, Handmaidens can also get Fecund for a total of 85 local growth, but what else will you use Loremasters for? might as well make use of them, and if you get enough you hardly notice a difference, and works instantly as you recruit rather than needing to level up the Handmaidens.
Been loving watching these tier list learning so much more about the game!! Would love to see you do full faction list break down video now game 2 is at the end of its cycle, even though these are pretty much that but there’s so many new dlc units I have never seen or heard of could be good content 👌🏽
Love you Legend, keep up with great content
You gotta give goblin big bosses more of a shot in battle. Firstly, you end up with a ludicrous capacity for them very quickly so you can afford to have some in and out of armies. Secondly they are surprisingly useful in a wide range of circumstances for the greenskins.
The first and fore most is gooning down lords. Between the fact that they can get +24 MA from skills, can access poison attacks, move /very/ quickly, and can shred 24 MD & 30 armour from a lord/hero means that they can pair up with another single entity and smack down with even some of the scariest late game lord threats in pretty short order. I had one army in a recent campaign fielded by a generic lord, defeat Belegar, Grombrindal, and Ungrim each 3 times in 6 or 7 turns, limiting each of those lords to a single digit number of kills with just the pairing of a GBB, and BOBB.
The second reason why they're great to take is that, being a single entity, they soak splash hits. This is almost always useful for the greenskins as they almost can't run without infantry of some kind. I personally much rather let a carnosaur waste 3 minutes gnashing away at my GBB and only getting him to half hp, then to let it get even a single kill on a regular gobbo, black orc, or savage orc biggun.
The third reason is just that they are a hero unit. They can bring in the disciplined trait (particularly useful for greenskins), items like glimmering scales to debuff enemies, and their leadership aura. Oh and greenskin followers can provide /dramatic/ boosts to economy like the ones that boost income from sacking, which requires the hero be attached to an army.
I can't believe that AL and Tipir Gorebull only got A tier.
I would also put them at S. Maybe because he play at huge unit scale and legendary.
Well they suck at lawsuits lol especially against loremaster Dee Schnider
Skinwolves are S tier all day long. crazy good in melee and regen. Strongest no magic doomstack in game. Massive melee attack increasing traits and if you equip them all with good gear they are unstoppable regening and fighting battle after battle
one thing you have overlooked, drycha gets special branchwraiths called malevolent branchwraiths. they are attuned to a lore of magic (beast, life or shadows) so they essentially function like spellsingers with the combat prowess of regular branchwraiths, and they also get frenzy. they are tough fighters and have access to arcane conduit, whereas regular branchwraiths do not have arcane conduit and only get a combination of shadow and life spells. i put two of them (life and shadows) in an army of treebois led by durthu and it's much better than having squishy mages, so yeah, definitely S tier for the malevolent ones i would say.
Even without Livestreams always top-notch contents thank you @LegendofTotalWar 🔝🔝🔝
The Empire Captain is good in Arch Lector / Huntsmaster armies because it gives you a melee flying unit since you don't have the griffon mount for the lord. Super useful for holding up fell bats / vargheists, which are a major threat to empire artillery.
We need a tier list of tier lists:D
Thanks a lot for your videos, they improved my game experience a ton. TW warhammer 2 is a very complex game, and thanks to you, I understand more and more of what is happening. Btw with the dark elves, isn't it the sorceress that increases public order?
18:00 Legend when he talks about the Vampire Counts. He just loves them
I think the werekin deserved S tier, I mean if it's a common doomstack choice then why not?
Though to be fair, it is norsca and those poor bastards don't have much going for them.
Not sure if Drycha's Branchwraiths fit in here, but I think they are more amazing than regular Branchwraiths. You get to pick their lore of magic, so the life ones have regen, life spells, and are decent fighters on top of getting the Branchwraith traits. I'd put Drycha's Branchwraiths at S teir.
You forgot something about the thanes: at lvl 12 you havevthe option to give them the "wanderer" skill granting ranger units the snipe attribute.