Around 1:20, the lathe chuck spools up with the chuck jaws pretty far open. This is hazardous. There have allegedly been cases of the centrifugal force allowing the jaws to unscroll and depart directly into somebody. When I was in a machine shop program back in the 80's, shop safety was emphasized and they had a strict requirement that any time a scroll chuck was spinning, it had to have a part clamped in it, effectively locking the jaws into the chuck.
Thanks for the comment. I did my apprenticeship in the 80's too. I haven't ever heard of that being a thing but thanks! I'll take any potential safety tip I can get Cheers!
The only thing i disliked about the video was the Cat crying in the background. It was hard to focus on what your showing. Enjoy most of your posts though.
Thanks for the comment. I couldn't agree more about the cat being annoying. Our microphones didn't perform normally for some reason and the cat cries were captured. I'm glad you enjoy some of our stuff Cheers
Have one of the early models that my dad bought new. He purchased virtually everything for it as accessories go. Not nearly as nice as yours, the belt change for speeds is some real b.s. , also the mill is not accurate at all since you have to use it across the head. But worth its weight in gold for drilling using the lathe as a holder.
What do you say as far as the power is conscerend ... what is the reason people say to get stand alone machines ??? .... i understand its faster buuuuttt lol ... if its basically the same thing but less real estate as you said ... i dont understand why not just get a smithy ??? Maybe less threading options ??? Im looking at an grizzley 4003 lathe and an basic knee mill ... i guess what are the main downfalls besides it takes longer to set up ??? .....power maybe ???? and if so couldnt you upgrade the motors maybe later on .... everything is underrated afterall for safety conscerns so have a little room for more power usually i asume
Thanks for the comment. For the most part I find the power is fine for both the lathe and mill. The one place it struggles is when I slow the lathe way down to machine a very large diameter the power is not adequate. I find myself turning at too high a RPM just to keep it from stalling out. You're right, I like the smithy because of the real-estate thing. I suppose I could find arguments for going with independent machines too. The mill is not terribly ridged. It will do any reasonable operation for its size but, lots of small cuts. I don't have any personal experience with the Grizzley 4003 lathe and mill. Maybe some one else reading this will and will comment??? I don't know if there's any motor upgrade stuff available. Personally I'm not big on the electronically controlled stuff. I have a old, mint 1HP Baldor motor and I've started collecting cheap, blown minibike engines. I'm eventually going to build a gear box with clutches so it behaves more like a conventionally driven lathe.
Man I enjoyed your video on the smithy. I found an old worn out one and going to try to get it up and going in home shop. Just a question for you is how do you like the 3 in 1? I hear people saying the mill portion is junk but I hope to use mine in mill mode a lot. How does the mill part work for you. I don't have power to mine yet and just curious on some real world use feedback on it.
The mill is not at all rigid. It will do every thing you want but you have to go super light on your depth of cut and feed. Just plan on spending a lot of time standing there watching it tickle your workpiece. It works fine as a drill but the size of workpiece you can get in there is limited. As a lathe it's pretty mint. No complaints there.
Way too expensive for the awkwardness in operating this machine. For that money I can buy a lathe and a knee mill with accessories and get greater accuracy in machining. Interesting machine. They caught your heart 30 years ago like the Sansui stereo you couldn’t buy when you were a kid but now that you are an adult and you have money you will spend 4 times as much just to have it ! An emotional purchase !
i have the same mill just a foot shorter in length , its a decent lathe and with good ground hss steel bits im able to take 0.100 tho cuts , thats 0.100 in feed taking a total of 0.200 off the diameter. the mill part is shit . i can take heavy cuts 0.100 plus but the milling head has a wobble of 0.03 since the day i got it making any kind of acerate milling or drilling imposable . the drill press part struggles to drill 1/2 inch hole , im thinking of switching out the mortar for a 3 hp . the 3 in one combo is a cool idea that i like alot , if only the people designing them and making them Atchley put in the time and effort to make them completable with stand alone machines
My machine is better at being a lathe than it is at being a mill, however I'm not having the same problem you are with runout of the mill spindle. The mill head just isn't terribly ridged so I have to go easy on it. But it is accurate. I'm unhappy with the motor as well. I'm not a fan of the electronic speed control at low speeds. I'm investigating new transmission/motor combos. thanks for commenting
So awesome!! Thank you for sharing with us. I am recovering from getting run over by a F350 on my 1957 Harley Panhead. I have been assembling a small machine shop to support my sytarting of a TH-cam channel where I am going to build a 1928 Morgan GN special. My change is using an MG grearbox and differential instead of the GN. As soon as it gets a little warmer so I can get out to the barn I will be doing my first video. Thanks again for sharing...
Have a similar machine, changed to ball screws and CNC both lathe and mill. Using Mach4 software and have created g code direct from Fusion 360 CAM function. Very happy as a hobby machine, can get very accurate but need to use DRO to adjust for final passes. Also upgraded the mill spindle to needle bearings to try and get better results than the original cheap drill spindle. Busy re organizing my shop ( wife calls it a garage) and plan to build a box for it to keep chips from flying everywhere. Hope to see some machining projects soon 👍 23:55
Good review, and nice shop. You will get years of use from it and then buy more, they become part of the family after awhile and hard to sell. So you buy more like me, I have the first generation 3in1 called the CB1239 then the BX288 round column mill and then the BZ239 lathe. The damn things just keep populating, then I bought a PM 932M, then DRO'S and then CNC add-ons. O ya then that damn K.O. LEE like your standing beside, this is a sickness and there is no cure. From a fellow Canadian. EH Holy Shit are you guys in TB Ontario
Glad you enjoyed the video. Sounds like you have a well equipped shop. Sorry about the cat...lol We'll be doing more with the K.O Lee in the future. Thanks for the comment.
The mill/lathe comb is junk I was given one. Use it for just lite work. Hard to find parts . Have to wait months for parts to come from China… Would say if you have the real estate for separate lathe and mill. Even if they are 50 years old … do it!!! You will be happier!!
I have the same machine and put a 3 axis DRO on it, and a rear back splash for chip control, owned it for 5 years with no problems from chips on the motor, and made a 4 inch longer quill for tail stock to solve the reach problem.👍
I'm curious about your tailstock quill. Did you make an entirely new quill that is 4" longer or did you make a 4" long male morse to female morse adaptor?
I made a new quill for the tail stock, and used a tapper attachment that I made and mounted to the back if the machine to cut the new morse tapper in the longer quill.@@Lappemountainliving
That's a copy of the Shoptask machine from the 1980's- 40 year old technology. OK as a lathe but extremely limited as a mill or drill. There are far more advanced combination machines available now with both manual and CNC functions at the same price point.
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Around 1:20, the lathe chuck spools up with the chuck jaws pretty far open. This is hazardous. There have allegedly been cases of the centrifugal force allowing the jaws to unscroll and depart directly into somebody. When I was in a machine shop program back in the 80's, shop safety was emphasized and they had a strict requirement that any time a scroll chuck was spinning, it had to have a part clamped in it, effectively locking the jaws into the chuck.
Thanks for the comment.
I did my apprenticeship in the 80's too.
I haven't ever heard of that being a thing but thanks!
I'll take any potential safety tip I can get
Cheers!
The only thing i disliked about the video was the Cat crying in the background. It was hard to focus on what your showing. Enjoy most of your posts though.
Thanks for the comment. I couldn't agree more about the cat being annoying. Our microphones didn't perform normally for some reason and the cat cries were captured. I'm glad you enjoy some of our stuff
Cheers
Get over it. Be an adult.
Man you're one pick it mf person, what's wrong with that cat can't hardly hear it , if you can't concentrate don't watch it.
Really 🤨 🐈
Have one of the early models that my dad bought new. He purchased virtually everything for it as accessories go.
Not nearly as nice as yours, the belt change for speeds is some real b.s. , also the mill is not accurate at all since you have to use it across the head. But worth its weight in gold for drilling using the lathe as a holder.
that damn cat lol
"Oh, you're filming and I'm not the star. I'll fix that."
Stopped watching cat screaming too annoying...
@@debike3077...... Yep !
What do you say as far as the power is conscerend ... what is the reason people say to get stand alone machines ??? .... i understand its faster buuuuttt lol ... if its basically the same thing but less real estate as you said ... i dont understand why not just get a smithy ??? Maybe less threading options ??? Im looking at an grizzley 4003 lathe and an basic knee mill ... i guess what are the main downfalls besides it takes longer to set up ??? .....power maybe ???? and if so couldnt you upgrade the motors maybe later on .... everything is underrated afterall for safety conscerns so have a little room for more power usually i asume
Thanks for the comment.
For the most part I find the power is fine for both the lathe and mill. The one place it struggles is when I slow the lathe way down to machine a very large diameter the power is not adequate. I find myself turning at too high a RPM just to keep it from stalling out. You're right, I like the smithy because of the real-estate thing. I suppose I could find arguments for going with independent machines too.
The mill is not terribly ridged. It will do any reasonable operation for its size but, lots of small cuts. I don't have any personal experience with the Grizzley 4003 lathe and mill. Maybe some one else reading this will and will comment???
I don't know if there's any motor upgrade stuff available. Personally I'm not big on the electronically controlled stuff. I have a old, mint 1HP Baldor motor and I've started collecting cheap, blown minibike engines. I'm eventually going to build a gear box with clutches so it behaves more like a conventionally driven lathe.
Man I enjoyed your video on the smithy. I found an old worn out one and going to try to get it up and going in home shop. Just a question for you is how do you like the 3 in 1? I hear people saying the mill portion is junk but I hope to use mine in mill mode a lot. How does the mill part work for you. I don't have power to mine yet and just curious on some real world use feedback on it.
The mill is not at all rigid. It will do every thing you want but you have to go super light on your depth of cut and feed. Just plan on spending a lot of time standing there watching it tickle your workpiece. It works fine as a drill but the size of workpiece you can get in there is limited. As a lathe it's pretty mint. No complaints there.
Way too expensive for the awkwardness in operating this machine. For that money I can buy a lathe and a knee mill with accessories and get greater accuracy in machining. Interesting machine. They caught your heart 30 years ago like the Sansui stereo you couldn’t buy when you were a kid but now that you are an adult and you have money you will spend 4 times as much just to have it ! An emotional purchase !
i have the same mill just a foot shorter in length , its a decent lathe and with good ground hss steel bits im able to take 0.100 tho cuts , thats 0.100 in feed taking a total of 0.200 off the diameter. the mill part is shit . i can take heavy cuts 0.100 plus but the milling head has a wobble of 0.03 since the day i got it making any kind of acerate milling or drilling imposable . the drill press part struggles to drill 1/2 inch hole , im thinking of switching out the mortar for a 3 hp . the 3 in one combo is a cool idea that i like alot , if only the people designing them and making them Atchley put in the time and effort to make them completable with stand alone machines
My machine is better at being a lathe than it is at being a mill, however I'm not having the same problem you are with runout of the mill spindle. The mill head just isn't terribly ridged so I have to go easy on it. But it is accurate. I'm unhappy with the motor as well. I'm not a fan of the electronic speed control at low speeds. I'm investigating new transmission/motor combos.
thanks for commenting
You need a Morse Taper extension for the tailstock.
So awesome!! Thank you for sharing with us. I am recovering from getting run over by a F350 on my 1957 Harley Panhead. I have been assembling a small machine shop to support my sytarting of a TH-cam channel where I am going to build a 1928 Morgan GN special. My change is using an MG grearbox and differential instead of the GN. As soon as it gets a little warmer so I can get out to the barn I will be doing my first video. Thanks again for sharing...
The company is saving money, but not saving quality!!!
You have alot of money tied up in that machine and accessories.
Use a er32 or bigger collet chuck adapter when milling to make length of drill the same
Have a similar machine, changed to ball screws and CNC both lathe and mill. Using Mach4 software and have created g code direct from Fusion 360 CAM function. Very happy as a hobby machine, can get very accurate but need to use DRO to adjust for final passes. Also upgraded the mill spindle to needle bearings to try and get better results than the original cheap drill spindle. Busy re organizing my shop ( wife calls it a garage) and plan to build a box for it to keep chips from flying everywhere. Hope to see some machining projects soon 👍 23:55
Thanks for the comment. Thanks for watching
Molly !! Trying to add her thoughts♥️
that is such a cool machine. all i have is a dinky drill press that probably costs 70 bucks like 15 years ago. (also. MEOW!! lol)
Meow, I hear ya! that's fair...lol
Good review, and nice shop. You will get years of use from it and then buy more, they become part of the family after awhile and hard to sell.
So you buy more like me, I have the first generation 3in1 called the CB1239 then the BX288 round column mill and then the BZ239 lathe.
The damn things just keep populating, then I bought a PM 932M, then DRO'S and then CNC add-ons.
O ya then that damn K.O. LEE like your standing beside, this is a sickness and there is no cure.
From a fellow Canadian. EH
Holy Shit are you guys in TB Ontario
Glad you enjoyed the video. Sounds like you have a well equipped shop. Sorry about the cat...lol We'll be doing more with the K.O Lee in the future. Thanks for the comment.
These things follow you home all the time.
The mill/lathe comb is junk I was given one. Use it for just lite work. Hard to find parts . Have to wait months for parts to come from China…
Would say if you have the real estate for separate lathe and mill. Even if they are 50 years old … do it!!! You will be happier!!
I thought Smithy quality was better than other brands.
Yes it's still the best if not only combination machine that I could find in this size range
I have the same machine and put a 3 axis DRO on it, and a rear back splash for chip control, owned it for 5 years with no problems from chips on the motor, and made a 4 inch longer quill for tail stock to solve the reach problem.👍
I'm curious about your tailstock quill. Did you make an entirely new quill that is 4" longer or did you make a 4" long male morse to female morse adaptor?
I made a new quill for the tail stock, and used a tapper attachment that I made and mounted to the back if the machine to cut the new morse tapper in the longer quill.@@Lappemountainliving
That's a copy of the Shoptask machine from the 1980's- 40 year old technology. OK as a lathe but extremely limited as a mill or drill. There are far more advanced combination machines available now with both manual and CNC functions at the same price point.
Meow!!!!!!!!!!!