Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome with Dr. Joy Degruy 2020
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- Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome with Dr. Joy Degruy | Black Social Work Podcast
You may have seen Dr. Joy Degruy in the viral video from AJ+. I will include the video in the description. But those of us who have been following the work of Dr. Joy Degruy understand that she has spend many years laying the foundation to enhance our understanding around the collective trauma that we face as African Americans.
On this episode of The Afrocentric Social Worker Podcast I talk with nationally and internationally recognized author, researcher and fellow Social Worker, Dr. Joy Degruy as she discusses her work and book Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome: America's Legacy of Enduring Injury and Healing.
I've been talking to a lot of you about the way forward for the black community in the wake of the pandemic, and our continuous trauma of either hearing about or watching the death of black people on TV. Many of you were not familiar with the work of Dr. Joy Degruy or had not been introduced to her research from Post Traumatic Slave Syndrome, in your undergrad nor your graduate level Social Work programs.
This is problematic because we can't fix something that we don't understand. If we don't have an appropriate Afrocentric orientation toward our problems, we will continue to use Eurocentric models to fix them.
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I would love to know how you are integrating the work of Dr. Joy into your Social Work practice!
I’m a black man, and I love both you ladies for having this discussion on behalf of our community.
As fas as generational trauma , there's a few issues Dr Joy is glancing over . 1- Why haven't Jews exhibited PTSS ? The survivors of the concentration camps surely had PTSD . 2- I read most letters written by former slaves and even those slaves didn't show signs of PTSD in their writings , how could their descendants have PTSS ? 3- Wouldn't the descendants of Africans living in countries that never had slavery , be doing far better than African Americans ? And that's just not the case . 4- Wouldn't Africans be doing far better than AA's ?
This the most fascinating theory I've read in some time and I am elated this theory is being presented by a Black woman.
@School House I understand her theory is about PTSS , it's in her title and I mentioned PTSS in my comment , I was just comparing the two types of stress disorders . It's the same type of stress except no professionals are saying that PTSD is transferred to the next generation . There are too many examples of people who were subjugated for generations and showed no signs of generational stress, or transferred stress to their offspring at the end of their subjugation . The Irish are just one group that comes to mind . I can give you many more examples if you'd like but Im sure you can do the research yourself , especially if you're in a masters program . Teaching young AA's that they're perpetual victims and their oppressor is their adopted country is the worse form of abuse any intellectual can teach their students . Shame on Ms Degruy
How do you prove that PTSS exists in the US ?
I do not understand why this is not taught in undergrad. This is Human Behavior in the Social Environment 101!
Because it is about black ppl
totally agree! her work should be required reading!
As fas as generational trauma , there's a few issues Dr Joy is glancing over . 1- Why haven't Jews exhibited PTSS ? The survivors of the concentration camps surely had PTSD . 2- I read most letters written by former slaves and even those slaves didn't show signs of PTSD in their writings , how could their descendants have PTSS ? 3- Wouldn't the descendants of Africans living in countries that never had slavery , be doing far better than African Americans ? And that's just not the case . 4- Wouldn't Africans be doing far better than AA's ?
@@jimmymags6516 the Holocaust lasted from 1941-1945. That's 4 years and it was over. The trauma stopped and was NOT!passed down from generation to generation, to generation, to generation, to generation, to generation.... African American trauma lasted 400 years. Four hundred yrs of oppression, jim crow laws, inequality and brutality towards the African American. Jews did not suffer as long as African America's. You cannot EVER!! compare the two. Sir, Educate yourself before you make comments like this.
@@jimmymags6516 The fact you did not pose these questions as a comment, which likely would get you a reply from the host to address your questions, but pose the same questions asa reply to comments indicates you're not looking for answers, you have an ax to grind.
Dr. DeGruy is awesome. I'm quoting her in my dissertation, and recommending that my university invites her to be a field master speaker! Thanks for sharing.
thats amazing! thank you for supporting!
As far as generational trauma , there's a few issues Dr Joy is glancing over . 1- Why haven't Jews exhibited PTSS ? The survivors of the concentration camps surely had PTSD . 2- I read most letters written by former slaves and even those slaves didn't show signs of PTSD in their writings , how could their descendants have PTSS ? 3- Wouldn't the descendants of Africans living in countries that never had slavery , be doing far better than African Americans ? And that's just not the case . 4- Wouldn't Africans be doing far better than AA's ?
@@jimmymags6516 , simply not true. Many Jewish people experience familial trauma related to the Holocaust.
@@dr.lucillekeenanmspsyd9520 Are you familiar with PTSS theory ?
I never said Jews weren't traumatized by WW2 . They were and they should have been . I'm sure the soldiers that fought in war and the men that freed the Jews were extremely traumatized as well . 10 years after the Holocaust the Jews were the wealthiest group of people in the US and Germany . But PTSS teaches black folks that they are still traumatized by the trauma experienced by their great , great ,great , great , great , great , great grandparents . If this was true , wouldn't the descendants of war veterans , potato famine , rape victims , Cambodian holocaust , Rwanda genocide , Armenian genocide , and all the people who lost a loved one to murder , illness car accident have generational PTSD ?
PTSS is just another theory like CRT that allows blacks to go on as victims and avoid all personal responsibility for their current state .
@@jimmymags6516 TH-cam keeps deleting my comment. It might be due to the length so I am separating this into multiple posts
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First, no one is obligated to teach you anything given the numerous resources available through the internet and books. I am not sure that you asked these questions in good faith or to project the misinformation and ironic bitterness you have on a TH-cam video promoting education and a sense of healing to a historically disenfranchised group of people.
If you have viewed Dr. Joy Degruy's previous work, she has addressed many of the questions you have in great detail.
"10 years after the Holocaust, the Jews were the wealthiest group of people in the US and Germany."
I don't know how true this is, and I didn't find anything stating this. However, anti-semitism did decrease after WW2, and Jews were allowed to access more than they were able to in the past.
OMG, LOVE HER SO MUCH! She is a legend and a national treasure (my opinion). This woman doesn't open her mouth without dropping knowledge! Loved your additional commentary too, Manicka. Very enlightening and thought-provoking.
Yes she is a legend. And the way she moves everything from a Social Behavioral perspective. She needs to on the major News , Opion news and whatever. I'm surprised she hasn't been on Roland Martin's Unfilterd???
Yes she is amazing! Thank you for your support!
This sister is fantastic so much knowledge. I met her in person at a couple of her conferences and I read her book. If you haven't read it you should do so. She drops so many jewels.
agreed!
I’m just watching your video and I love what she said at 2:38 about skin color not being a thing until recently. Honestly as a Nigerian coming straight from Africa to America, there was great cultural shock for me. Getting to realise that my skin color, and even choosing to have my hair relaxed or natural and everything else I’m between was so significant and influenced how people perceived me. I never used to care about any of these back home. Nobody cared about your skin color or whatever you chose to do with your hair.
I’ve seen many of her lectures. Funny yet direct 😊 I loveeeeeeee her delivery 🙏🏾
Yes she is funny!!!!!
Me too!!
THANK YOU DR. JOY. 🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷🌷
Dr. Joy is unapologetic, not afraid. This women is amazing thank you. Sunday well spent studying
I love watching her.. I feel her frustration. She makes me feel like I'm not alone. Keep up the observant stance Dr. Joy🤔
I would love to ask Dr Joy Degruy sum questions. She has so much information. There's people out here pretending to know things they don't. Talking down.
she is very insightful!
As fas as generational trauma , there's a few issues Dr Joy is glancing over . 1- Why haven't Jews exhibited PTSS ? The survivors of the concentration camps surely had PTSD . 2- I read most letters written by former slaves and even those slaves didn't show signs of PTSD in their writings , how could their descendants have PTSS ? 3- Wouldn't the descendants of Africans living in countries that never had slavery , be doing far better than African Americans ? And that's just not the case . 4- Wouldn't Africans be doing far better than AA's ?
@@jimmymags6516 because racism still rules the world sir. E.g. whites are a minority in my country but still run the economic and mineral wealth of the country even 26 years after Apartheid.
@@MrXolaX How is that racist ?
Thank you Ms. Thomas 🖤👍🏿🖤👍🏿🖤👍🏿
Brilliance.
thank you
Enjoyed this. Absolutely agree there needs to be proper scholarship about the effects of systemic discrimination and racism. Would be interested to see how the epigenetics of African Americans differs from those of West Africans, how their DNA has altered in light of their experience in America, apart from Native American and European DNA heritage. Would love to learn more about how this trauma is transmitted - there is real evidence DNA altered in light of experience is transmitted to one's children. Look forward to finding out more.
Dr. Joy does some work around epigenetics, but I know there is a lot more work to be done in this area. Every culture has some degree of trauma...ours has probably been the longest withstanding.
Who cares about west Africans
This is great, I've subscribed and trying to get into a masters program dealing with trauma. I look forward to upcoming videos.
Peace/blessings! Outstanding video and Manicka was brilliant!
thank you!
All the discourse I hear continually in the TV the news or on social media pertaining to American racial atrocities past and present you never get the insight needed from intellectuals or scholar who have the knowledge to speak on the subject. ADOS is so thankful for Dr. Joy Degruy intuition and truths in these subjects, Thank YOU! for this excellent show
Wonderful youtube webinars, full of discrimination incidents. 👍👍👍🌸🌸🌸
Oceans of blessings y'all
Great interview, you asked just what I wanted to know. I will put this link on African American Alumni of Columbia U.
School of Social Work on Facebook.
Aww thank you for that! If there are any other topics that you would like for me to cover please let me know!
Wonderful video very very insightful some things that I may need to be working on with my children and you you know stop doing, but it was good. I enjoyed it.❤❤❤
She is the real deal I found her 3yrs ago and she talked about something that happened her in San Diego from her talks a book a police chief wrote and it put everything in perspective.
I was a Child Welfare Social Worker II and wish I had this information 1990's Priceless Sage Advice and information she Eloquently Accurately Named the Problems Issues
Yes she does a great job of breaking down the the root of the problems that we see today
As fas as generational trauma , there's a few issues Dr Joy is glancing over . 1- Why haven't Jews exhibited PTSS ? The survivors of the concentration camps surely had PTSD . 2- I read most letters written by former slaves and even those slaves didn't show signs of PTSD in their writings , how could their descendants have PTSS ? 3- Wouldn't the descendants of Africans living in countries that never had slavery , be doing far better than African Americans ? And that's just not the case . 4- Wouldn't Africans be doing far better than AA's ?
Africa being robbed raped pillaged by the world the Bibull in one hand the gun in another was devasted
Great interview!
thank you!
💝 Her has done a lot of work about his story ✨ and thanks for being here 🧬🙄🤕 made it ☀️
There are few or little black psychologist to treat fellow African Americans . White psychologist never acknowledge the racism a black patient has endured . I was often told I was too sensitive and take the racial disdain too serious . White people ! Never judge a person until you've been in his shoes . My parents were embedded with this " black self hatred " as well unfortunately . My sisters and I never were in serious trouble , without drug issues or unlawfulness . Yet if there was a problem , it was assumed we were the instigator or trouble maker . If we didn't follow directions this was a serious indictment of being dumb and ending up a failure for the rest of our lives . I see this behavior among many ( not all ) black parents or black people in general . God Bless you Dr. Joy DeGruy for bringing attention to this generational mental illness from slavery .
This is an excellent video. Post traumatic slave syndrome is most definitely not even glossed over in MSW programs. Grateful to be able to witness this dialogue.
Thank you!
Hi! I followed your podcast on Spotify and I just wanted to let you know that this episode is not on there. I know that it's on the Apple podcast, but not Spotify.
I really appreciate you creating this resource for black social workers 💗💗
I am a Dutchman, married to an African lady from Liberia, West Africa. I lived in Holland, South-America, the Caribbean, and Africa. But, I've never spent time in America. However, when listening to Dr. DeGruy, and when observing certain things in the countries that I had to honor to live in, I also wonder what types of trauma's colonization have caused Africans to suffer from. Can there be something like a "Post Traumatic Colonization Syndrome" among Africans because of the ways the Europeans conquered, suppressed, exploited, humiliated, and discriminated against them? And if so, what should we learn from it? And more important: what should we do about it? How can we heal such trauma and work toward a situation in which ultimately 'unity in diversity' can also be achieved between former colonizers and the Africans that [perhaps subconsciously] still suffer from such a Post Traumatic Colonization Syndrome? Would recognition, apologies, reparation, and changes in the socio-economic relationships between them be a beginning? What else can be done? The book "The looting machine" by Tom Burgis shows that colonization still hasn't ended and that many African nations are still not free, because big 'white' companies are still looting African nations like before and are taking their precious resources for next to nothing, while, for example, African children are literally working themselves to death in hand-dug mines while the stockholders of these big companies are still filling their bank accounts with millions. So, we still have to learn a lot from the past, and we have to repair a lot in the present and actually, we have to do a lot more in order to create a better and more beautiful future for all peoples on earth. To achieve what in my opinion is the only thing God wants from us: unity in diversity.
As fas as generational trauma , there's a few issues Dr Joy is glancing over . 1- Why haven't Jews exhibited PTSS ? The survivors of the concentration camps surely had PTSD . 2- I read most letters written by former slaves and even those slaves didn't show signs of PTSD in their writings , how could their descendants have PTSS ? 3- Wouldn't the descendants of Africans living in countries that never had slavery , be doing far better than African Americans ? And that's just not the case . 4- Wouldn't Africans be doing far better than AA's ?
Excellent interview, Very thought-provoking and makes me want to learn more
Oh I'm so glad to hear that! Thank you for watching. Dr. Joy has a really great youtube channel as well. You can check out more of her work there!
As fas as generational trauma , there's a few issues Dr Joy is glancing over . 1- Why haven't Jews exhibited PTSS ? The survivors of the concentration camps surely had PTSD . 2- I read most letters written by former slaves and even those slaves didn't show signs of PTSD in their writings , how could their descendants have PTSS ? 3- Wouldn't the descendants of Africans living in countries that never had slavery , be doing far better than African Americans ? And that's just not the case . 4- Wouldn't Africans be doing far better than AA's ?
My view (as a black mom/grandma) is that children are (should be) close to their parents in public to learn how to act in public. Not to be running around, disturbing folks whom they don't know. Because running around and being disruptive will cause them to be labeled negatively.
I agree. Often when we see a child "exploring" and wandering away from the parent (white or not), we tend to think a lack of discipline or supervision by the parent rather than the child being 'bad'.
Thank you for your insight!
What Dr Joy is saying is this way of thinking comes from a place of fear, poison that was baked into the cookies back during slavery. We never let it go.
This was so informative...
thank you!
As fas as generational trauma , there's a few issues Dr Joy is glancing over . 1- Why haven't Jews exhibited PTSS ? The survivors of the concentration camps surely had PTSD . 2- I read most letters written by former slaves and even those slaves didn't show signs of PTSD in their writings , how could their descendants have PTSS ? 3- Wouldn't the descendants of Africans living in countries that never had slavery , be doing far better than African Americans ? And that's just not the case . 4- Wouldn't Africans be doing far better than AA's ?
Excellent! Such a rich conversation! How precious this information is! How very much this entire nation needs this knowledge and understanding! We white people are pathetically, willfully ignorant and unjust. Thank you for your program, Manicka Thomas!
yes I love her work! thank you for your support!
As fas as generational trauma , there's a few issues Dr Joy is glancing over . 1- Why haven't Jews exhibited PTSS ? The survivors of the concentration camps surely had PTSD . 2- I read most letters written by former slaves and even those slaves didn't show signs of PTSD in their writings , how could their descendants have PTSS ? 3- Wouldn't the descendants of Africans living in countries that never had slavery , be doing far better than African Americans ? And that's just not the case . 4- Wouldn't Africans be doing far better than AA's ?
Great conversation! Well said and done.
I just realized that parenting is new to the diaspora. Our children belonged to the slave masters and we had no control over raising them. Trauma!
thanks for this insight!
As fas as generational trauma , there's a few issues Dr Joy is glancing over . 1- Why haven't Jews exhibited PTSS ? The survivors of the concentration camps surely had PTSD . 2- I read most letters written by former slaves and even those slaves didn't show signs of PTSD in their writings , how could their descendants have PTSS ? 3- Wouldn't the descendants of Africans living in countries that never had slavery , be doing far better than African Americans ? And that's just not the case . 4- Wouldn't Africans be doing far better than AA's ?
@ Camille Naar - So I suppose that is why some contemporary Black parents are doing such a poor job raising their children, yes?
@@jimmymags6516 - I have asked myself this same question: How can present-day African Americans have PTSS (I don't) ... but I have read that trauma can be experienced 'indirectly' so I suppose this could be how someone could be experiencing ptss ... I guess
@@nitawhite8459 You still ned to answer my question regards Jews . Todays Jews experience no PTSD . Todays Tutsi don't exhibit PTSD . How about the Irish , they experienced extreme trauma due to famine . The Irish lost millions as well . Why don't the Irish have PTSD ? So there's too much evidence that this PTSS theory is just an excuse to explain modern day dysfunction in the black communities . These theories do not move blacks forward , rather they allow young black kids something to hold onto and remain a victim .
Excellent interview. Very informative. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I really enjoyed listening to this interview. Salute to you, I look forward to more content. 🦾
Much appreciated
It definitely should be in the DSM. Black people can do both, structural changes and medical support at the same time.
Love this Empress
so interesting and that open my eyes ! thank you !
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you
You're welcome
Good Job!!!! Very Interesting keep up the good work.
Thank you!
Your Welcome
Congrats on have her on. BUT..... your bookself needs to be like hers.
Right! lol
LOVE this Heroine!
I use her lectures in my workshops to provide insight into behavior on both sides of the color line.
How do you prove that ptss exists in the US ?
@@jimmymags6516 the same way you prove it abroad, with any "illness" physical or mental. Do you know any veterans? With similar experiences.... and similar problematic symptoms?
@@jamedraa8472 Yes , I've met with veterans who went into war fine and returned a psychological mess . Now how do you prove ptss ?
@@jimmymags6516 for me to explain would not do the research justice. If you are truly interested in learning you will ho directly to the source. As I said I use the material, I do not alter it with my interpretation.
@@jamedraa8472 Ive read Dr Joys book PTSS . I've listened to her lectures . She provides no evidence that PTSS is caused by slavery in the US . I thought maybe you could . I mean , after all shouldn't you be able to prove a theory before you subscribe to it ?
I wish there can be justice for my dad . 😭 I wish you could hear my story. They did him wrong ..... He to suffered from this syndrome .
WOW
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As fas as generational trauma , there's a few issues Dr Joy is glancing over . 1- Why haven't Jews exhibited PTSS ? The survivors of the concentration camps surely had PTSD . 2- I read most letters written by former slaves and even those slaves didn't show signs of PTSD in their writings , how could their descendants have PTSS ? 3- Wouldn't the descendants of Africans living in countries that never had slavery , be doing far better than African Americans ? And that's just not the case . 4- Wouldn't Africans be doing far better than AA's ?
Living in arkansas 😢
The notion that SW faculties, let alone medical, legal, engineering faculties, etc, etc, need to conduct psychological testing of students may not sit too well with human rights respecting organizations, as such testing has been used in the past (and present?) to perpetuate discrimination and is beyond problematic. I can see the motivation to protect one's imagined community, but there is also a requirement of SW'ers to work for the betterment of not only the client but also the environment and critically for the larger society and her approach seems mutually exclusive to that final goal and requirement of SW. SW'ers cannot simply focus on one group without considering the larger common good we are all connected to and I think this encompasses a critical flaw in her logic as a SW'er. Perhaps Dr.DeGruy might wish to consider bridging and connections-facilitation methods so we humanize one another, rather than the failure of perpetuating alienating silos which is precisely the approach that has brought us to this time of staggering inequity..
Do people from African decent all over the world suffer from post slavery syndrom? To me it feels like yes. But i wonder how that happens. I feel like it affects me, though I grew up with a white parent in Germany.
I'm so sorry. Have you considered reading the doctor's book, maybe that'll help you get a better understanding.
There's a saying in America by black Americans "My Skin is My Sin." Simply being a person of color is a crime. Please take care and I hope you're well.
@@s0medebr1s Thank yo Rosalyn. Yes, I will do that!
@@mariaeichner9125 You don't have pass , you're just a victim .
26:26: "I'ma send a drone in."
Does anyone know whether or not there has been a push to have PTSS added into the DSM?
As fas as generational trauma , there's a few issues Dr Joy is glancing over . 1- Why haven't Jews exhibited PTSS ? The survivors of the concentration camps surely had PTSD . 2- I read most letters written by former slaves and even those slaves didn't show signs of PTSD in their writings , how could their descendants have PTSS ? 3- Wouldn't the descendants of Africans living in countries that never had slavery , be doing far better than African Americans ? And that's just not the case . 4- Wouldn't Africans be doing far better than AA's ?
You can forget that one, because it would expose the evils white people and the white powers-that-be did to AA. What makes you think the powers that be would allow PTSS in the DSM-5 when they don't want to have a conversation about race, reparations, the effects of slavery and what they have done to the American black?
To my knowledge there as not...and I don't believe that Dr. Joy wants to use this frame to pathologize African Americans. It is morse an explanatory theory to understand our condition.
I HAVE to be on this level to survive in esau ‘s kingdum.
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"I'm feeling uncomfortable", dear Father help us....what should people of color say then???!!! This is the engrained automatic defense mechanism that is triggered when human responsibility and accountability is required. Again, that response uncovers inherent guilt, feelings of supremacy and dissonance.
Anderson Dorothy Garcia Elizabeth Garcia Betty
WHAT ABOUT BLACK PARENTS THAT ACT LIKE ENSLAVERS White supremacy is cultural narcissism
Lopez Shirley Rodriguez Joseph Thomas Elizabeth
Wow you kinda look like here especially when she was younger.
how about us white people, we suffer same thing but worse. at lest you guys can talk about it we whites have no one, what about us. wonder why we only talk about black salve why not talk about white salve that my people went through. The British government had realized as early as the 1640’s how beneficial white slave labor was to the profiting colonial plantations. Slavery was instituted as early as 1627 in the British West Indies. The Calendar of State Papers, Colonial Series of 1701 records 25000 slaves in Barbados in which 21700 were white slaves. thousands of whites endured the hardships of tobacco farming and lived and died in bondage in the New World. Following the cultivation in 1613 of an acceptable tobacco crop in Virginia, the need for labor accelerated. Slavery was viewed as the cheapest and most expedient way of providing the necessary work force. Due to harsh working conditions, beatings, starvation, and disease, survival rates for slaves rarely exceeded two years. Thus, the high level of demand was sustained by a continuous flow of white slaves from England, Ireland, and Scotland from 1618 to 1775, who were imported to serve America’s colonial masters. England essentially dumped its unwanted in the American colonies, where they were treated no better than livestock. Servants were regularly battered, whipped, and humiliated. Disease was rampant, food was in short supply, and working and living conditions were grim. War with local native Indian tribes was common. Severe punishment made escape unrealistic. shipping of more than 300,000 white Britons to the colonies. "In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women to increase their market share: The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls (many as young as 12) with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion. These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish white livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves. "white slave wasnt worth much that they thought of them below black slave.i bet you guys dont know nothing about this that they dont teach this in school. why?
Fkm it doesnt fit the narrative. Wouldnt even post what l had to say😮😊
No she did not…… 😢 Oh heck no Cindy Loo Whoo stay in Whosville
Light skindid 😂