I seriously love hearing Brian speak when he was lucid. This is a serious peak behind the curtain for Brian. This is sincerely great insight here, if you pay attention. This is a *SERIOUS* treasure for hardcore fans.
SOUNDS LIKE COCAINE INDUCED EUPHORIA-COOL TILL YOU DO TOO MUCH--WHICH ALWAYS HAPPENS. THEN YOU NEED SOMETHING TO BRING YOU DOWN---AND THE ROLLER COASTER TO HELL BEGINS.
Audio is pristine which pleases my ears. Brian sounds in really good spirits with a strong rapport with Pewter on air. Thanks for letting us enjoy this.
Brian has always had a childlike innocence and enthusiasm. I saw footage the other day of him for his 80th. If you look and listen you can still see the enthusiasm for life, despite everything.
photo above , left to right - Van Dyke Parks, unknown lady, Brian Wilson, Harry Nilsson, unknown dude with dark sweater & tie..... I used to deliver Pizza to Jivin' Jim Pewtwer when he worked on the air at KMET on Wilshire- there was a speaker at the front door Jim would ring me in , and I would hang out in the station with Jim on the air- about 1974 ...
Love this picture of Brian Wilson and Harry Nilsson I’m a huge fan of both of them. They where two people who made wonderful and somewhat similar music. Brian is great in this interview he’s totally there in he moment and lucid ( whether “sober” or not he’s there) talking about music and life. Side note can you imagine hanging out with the two of them? I can only imagine the fun they had.
I sometimes ponder the thought of Harry joining the Beach Boys around 68. Like Fataar & Chaplin I don't think it would've lasted long enough, perhaps till 70 or 71. I could see One, Coconut & Everybody's Talkin' being on BB albums around that time. Maybe Brian would've been more involved with such a contemporary in their ranks. Then again Love might have clashed with him like He did with VD Parks.
Harry Nilsson used a lot of the same session musicians as Lennon, Harrison and Ringo in the seventies, and all three worked to varying degrees with Harry so I always imagined a 70s Beatles where Harry replaced Paul. Lennon’s Walls and Bridges and Harry’s Pussy Cats are essentially companion pieces, for example
Brian and Harry would have been good together too. I’ve always thought Brian would have been better off if he had left the Beach boys altogether in the 70s
He still had a bit of his younger voice left but you could hear it evolving into what he would sound like by 1976. By then his voice totally changed and became raspy for a while.
I think it was more the cocaine and booze, along with psychosomatic effect of his mental illness. Cigarettes don’t make people lose their voice, if you look back historically. Back in the day most of the great singers smoked.
@@larryboy1975 money doesn’t mean much. Anybody who focuses on money throughout their life is missing out. I’ve been poor and wealthy. Suffering exists no matter what.
I read that Brian was troubled immensely by his Fathers death. If you listen to him here, you hear a good and sensitive man under the influence. He's making excuses for not touring, he's defensive in some ways and very superficial. He's coping, but not coping well. At this juncture in his life he needs real help, not an exploitative Dr. who drove Brian deeper into himself. His brother Carl said it best one time by describing Brian as an extremely sensitive man that bruises easily. Many artists of his caliber are. It was his second wife and his family who eventually got the help he needed. In 2015 he just released another solo album, and a good one at that. He's a tough guy considering all the pain he has been in. He's a survivor, and we are all lucky he did. What great music he gives us. To your health Brian, and thank you for the music.
He is very lucid here, and most likely drunk or coked up, but he wasn't beyond help by modern standards, with good modern psychiatry, he would have been just fine eventually, unfortunately this was the 70's and he even probably could have been fine with the best of the best psychiatry back then......unfortunately, we all know he ended up with landy, who leached off him, and did get him on a healthy diet and lifestyle, but those massive doses of anti psychotics or what ever he had Brian on all thru the 80's fried his brain irreparablely......the drugs in the 70's were bad, but the legal drugs in the 80's were really, really, really bad
unfortunately I think things are still not quite so rosy for poor old Bri as your comment would indicate; regarding his second wife Melinda (who was portrayed glowingly in the relatively recent biopic), to hear Andy Paley describe it: "Working in the studio and especially touring is not really [Brian's] choice. His handlers, managers, and wife insist that he work. It's all a bit Landy-like when you look behind the curtain". it is unfortunate that Carl perished when he did, both for Carl's immediate family and the loss of his great talent and still strong voice, but for Brian's sake as it appears that Melinda and Joe Thomas continue to exploit an unwell man.
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What a classy way to end this interview. Jim was really good at putting the subject at ease. I just wish he would’ve asked some more deep/meaningful questions, but this is still a real gem of an interview. Brian Wilson is beyond a living legend...He is a religion. Amen.
Brian’s voice sounds a lot like Carl on a few different occasions. Man, I really miss Carl & Denis and really love Brian. Pure kindness outta his heart, always! Love & Mercy! 🤙🏽
One thing I have noticed is that Brian seems to be incredibly honest, perhaps to a fault! He is pretty "normal" when he is comfortable and not stressed/scared etc.
Fascinating stuff…Brian sounds like he snorted all of Scarface’s stash right before the interview. The crazy part is, he sounds like he would during the Landy years circa 88 , like during the Four Freshman story . It also sounds like he’s at times trying to sound different; he’s said later on he consciously was trying to send like Dennis and Randy Newman, but I wonder if he was trying to sound like Carl at this point (like on parts of the 1975 version of In the back of my mind )
Best interview I have ever hear with Brian Wilson. He sounds completely normal and his voice isn't yet raspy as it would be 2 years later. He's very focused and alert. Whatever he finally plunged in to by the late 70s, it took half his head off and he hasn't been the same since. I wonder what drugs it was by the late 70s that has left him in the mental shape he is in these days?? The LSD of the 60s, didn't take it's toll on him as is evident in this interview..but something did later on.
There is one glaring addition to his life by '75, the following year after this interview - Eugene Landy. Whatever Landy put him on, it made him a totally different person by '76. You can hear it in his voice. You can hear it in his speech. The guy in this interview is coherent. Hearing him prior to this? Same thing. '76 on? WTF!!
The voices he claims to have heard in his head ever since his first LSD trip probably contributed to his depression, withdrawal from life, and need for help, which led his overmedication by a quack because mainstream psychiatry didn't know a lot about persistent hallucinogenic perception disorder. It's all related.
He got exposed and lost his medical license thanks to Carl and his family. Everyone hates Landy and his memory is tarnished forever so he got some comeuppance
known for writing the lyrics to that winter single, with the outro melody that wilson would later reuse in "mike come back to la" and whatever they ended up calling that on the LP i can't remember. edit: it was "some of your love"
Brian later was on a tribute album for Nilsson, so they must have been chill. You know those Nilsson kickbacks would have been extremely cool with Lennon, McCartney, Cooper, Wilson, Moon and all the other amazing artists.
So cool that this is where Brian learns Endless Summer was a hit. Seems after that things really started to turn around for the group, of course Brian still had a long way to go with recovery
I noticed some the older BB selections played here were probably pulled from the Endless Summer compilation - as they aired the lp versions of Be True to Your School and Help Me Rhonda, and not the actual 45 rpm hit versions. Interesting to hear the lp duophonic mixes here...
This interview makes me really see where John Cusack drew his performance in “Love and Mercy” from, the inflection and pacing of Brian’s talking is almost exactly like John Cusack’s performance of 80s Brian in “Love and Mercy”, or, the other way around I guess. It’s really interesting to hear Brian from this time period where he hadn’t quite degraded his voice down to it’s condition in “Love You”, but it wasn’t the same 20-something tenor voice it had been. Listening to his 1975 demo of “In the Back of My Mind” makes me feel so serene, he could’ve made some really wonderful baritone music during this time.
According to the Brian Wilson Lost Years documentary I just watched, yes he absolutely did. And it sounds like it was a hell of a line too, he was zooted!. so much so the interviewer basically had to play a song right away.
Jim Pewter seemed to handle it well enough. He sounds slightly annoyed, though, when he asks: “Huh?” Then Brian makes non senseicle noises and Jim just says: “Yeah.”
I had no idea Brian even did any interviews in the 70's.. From what you read its like Brian was a wreck, but he's laughing and with it here. I guess the shit hit the fan properly from around this time onward..
Especially round two. Round one not much damage was done. Brian lost the weight and all. Round two F’d him proper. He lost the light in his eyes after that. Deer in headlights look from them on. Poor fella. He needed Jesus not the quacks around him.
I love how Brian has always known his work was at the highest level, yet completely separated that from his ego. That’s some sort of divine genius there
Any one can be a genius but few know how to keep their ego in check. Look at Kanye West, Tupac Shakur, Eazy-E, Captain Beefheart, or Orson Welles. Great artists but terrible people.
What really upsets me about hearing this, is Brian sounded GREAT here. He certainly was fighting battles inside his mind, but Brain was only 32 here, a young man who had just lost his father, had recently become a father, and had a meteoric rise and fall at a very young age. He was an artist who at once had been told he was brilliant and a genius, and those closest to him lost faith in his Smile project which I think wounded his confidence more than people can imagine. He still was writing great music in the late sixties and early 70s, but his band was stuck in the mid sixties which didn’t allow him to grow. I only wish someone could have convinced him to finish Smile as a solo project and be a solo artist, while producing The Beach Boys. His work in the early 70s (70-72) was brilliant, basically alternative before alternative. No one got it...The real tragedy is that his family allowed that kook into Brian’s life, without really knowing what he would do to him. They have him free reign and instead of getting him real help, they pawned him off because they didn’t want to deal with him. This young man that had brought them all to where they were, and they sat and watched as Landy fried his brain with a concoction of drugs that were probably intended to harm and possibly kill him, it’s a miracle that he survived. I just hate that now people say the drugs in the sixties caused his brain damage, they definitely didn’t help, but the real damage occurred in the late 70s and 80s, when the family signed him away and let Landy have his way. Just shows you how misunderstood mental illness is, and how the majority of people both don’t understand and also don’t want to...I blame his current state on his family, not the drugs.
The Surf's Up album if anything was ahead of its time sonically. I wouldn't say they were stuck in the mid 60s, although in the mid late 70s they regressed, but Brian was gone more or less
I do not place the blame for Brian's troubles on his family entirely. Most of the blame goes to Dr. Landy, a lot of goes to the Wilsons' father, Murry Wilson, some to Brian himself, some to his first wife, Marilyn, and some to Carl and the rest of the group for hiring Landy the second time. Also, the person who has most perpetrated the myth that 1960s hallucinogenic drugs fried Brian's brain is Brian himself. Finally, the period of the early 1970s through the end of 1973 was among their most creative times as a group. Sunflower, Carl and the Passions, Surf's Up and Holland found Carl and Dennis Wilson really coming to the fore in terms of songwriting and producing. The only member of the band who seemed stuck in the 1960s at that time was Mike Love. Then the Endless Summer greatest hits double album was released by Capitol in 1974, and it's success completed quashed Carl's and Dennis's progressive efforts. Mike and his 1960s musical mentality began to take hold and it has held sway ever since then.
I think the real reason for Brian's fall is because social expectancy of the Beach Boys to remain some novelty fad of innocence. It was stated that even before his breakdown, Brian hated being labeled as a surf rock group. And if you were to listen to surf rock bands other than the Beach Boys, you'd realize right away the Beach Boys were more lush orchestral pop with a garage beat. And the couple of albums that were made before Pet Sounds were very introspective, the same of introspect that was responsible for Beatles' Yesterday, Help, and Eight Days A Week.
Surfers didn’t even listen to The Beach Boys cause it never was “surfing music” he was a 20 year old kid who didn’t have the life experiences to write about life yet (some could at that age, just Brian didn’t) it’s why he asked Dennis what should I write about.
So much misunderstanding regarding Brian Wilson's nervous breakdown. I'm not even a Beach Boys fan and I can tell right away what happened simply from my brief analysis of Wilson during this period. His father's death had an incredible effect on his ability to cope with life. He fell into clinical depression, overslept and overate while taking drugs to try and numb the pain. He wasn't schizophrenic like his doctor thought and in fact Wilson was only regressing into a childlike state of fantasy and imagination yet again to cope with his depression. He was manipulated by his doctor who perpetuated his child like state with delusions in order to convince further work and in result continue profiting. Some people think the way he speaks is evidence of his eccentricity but in fact he was born deaf in one ear and has an unusual speech pattern where he curls his lip because of it.
Misterioso After his misdiagnosis from that monster Landy, he was diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder. He still hears voices to this day. The drugs and negative major life events made his condition even worse.
Supposedly starting with his father's death in 1973, yeah. But toward the end of 1974 (October, so around the time of this interview) Beach Boys' Endless Summer was so well received that they, including Brian, tried to record new music but only got out a few tracks. In 1974 it seems like Brian was hit or miss depending on who he was with and what he was doing but really trying to ignore whatever he was dealing with. A year later he sought help from Landy which lasted for about a year, until the end of 1976. Then he really went down in it.
Brian said in some interview that he was actually only in bed for 2-3 weeks not 3 years that became the rumor. His dad Murry used to get angry and depressed and spend time in bed mom Audree said in an interview I heard. So I think Brian had some mental illness like his dad or he just learned that behavior as a small child and coped with it later with the drugs. just my opinion
Blondie Chaplin, a South African musician. They came together in Holland where the Boys spent about one year. I believer Chaplin is of African and Dutch origins. Great voice has he!!
@debussy10 Yes, that's Van Dyke Parks. I don't think Harry looks mad. He seems to be normal or listening. I don't know who the blonde is but the other commenter here, Mary Magdalene, seems to! ;-)
Remastering things can ruin them. They take old songs and “update” then for modern listening. Like more punchy bass. Tighter and thicker low end. Added high mids and maybe to end. More time than not the originals sound better. Remastering is a money grab. 1987 digital masters (all music from 60/70s remastered for the first time digitally for CD release) sound best to me. Theyre not squashed and have headroom, Meaning keeping the dynamics. It’s not all compressed to death.
he also might have realized that he was about 33 here (correct me if Im wrong) - and they were talking about the fade of When I Grow Up going up to 33 if you listen as long as possible- so - he might have bugged out a little......
Great interview, any way to get in contact with Jim Pewter? Email address? I'm stumped on a song title from a record that came out in the early 60's. I'm sure with his knowledge he'd name it!!
This was during Brian’s real down period. He sounds great, hanging out with amazing talented people and Debbie Kiel is all over him! What went wrong 😂 😂😂
I'm thoroughly confused by this interview. I consider myself to be a die-hard BB's fan and know all the minutiae and trivial details regarding the band's existence. Wasn't Brian supposedly in bed from '73'-'75? This interview appears to be an entirely different Brian Wilson than what documentaries, interviews, and books would have you believe. No doubt I'm sure he was a wreck and a drug addict, but is this whole "I stayed in bed for 2.5/3 years" just a ruse to have us believe he was in worse condition than he actually was?
HELLO ADAM I WORKED ON THE CALIFORNIA MYTH BOOK IN 1977-78 BY DAVID LEAF! GET THE BOOK ON AMAZON ITS WORTH IT!! ABOUT BEING IN BED MOST OF IT OCCURED FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS AFTER MURRAY'S DEATH IN 1973!! THAT'S THE MYTH LIKE BRIAN BURNED ALL OF THE SMILE TAPES!! THE BOYS AND BRIAN CAN PUT THE BEST ON YOU KNOW, ALOT OF BULL SHIT BY THEM FOR PUBLICITY PURPOSES!!
There is SO much media-made myth surrounding The Beach Boys and him being in bed for that long is definitely one of them (along with him & Mike "hating" each other). :-)
What the hell is happening at 22:20 Thru 22:36? Was Brian shooting up? Sure sounds like he was! (in the background) He starts cursing and says "Errr goddam jesuschrrr WOO Heavy!" Then he sounds like he is talking real fast!
Most people can handle themselves well when they’re on coke but it wasn’t until landy started putting Wilson on medication while he was doing drugs ruined him
"He's very focused and alert" That's what coke will do for you. I love reading people speak of drugs when they have never tried anything stronger than a tylenol.
This, he's def euphorically stimulated and in a nice groove, I think some people who havent tried it before thinks having the odd line of snow is going to turn people into Nicholas Cage Impersonating Macho Man Randy Savage or something, it's just a sociable thing I wouldnt put it past a top level artist and successful rockstar like Brian Wilson in the early mid 70s (esp when the coasts were having their first big 'coke blizzards' before the 80s would sweep the nations adventurous and curiously pursuing and exercising their own personal liberty (off my soap box now lol) long story a bit longer, You can tell he's having a fun time at the station chatting with a jockie who he befriended and would interview throughout the years, so he was out having a ball and a half, thankfully he's alive and healthy and living a happy and fulfilling life. In fact I got to see Brian Wilson and Al Jardine (and Scott Jardine) and an incredible band perform the entirety of Pet Sounds in set 2 and the the first set was chalk full of all the chat tunes and fan favs. It was incredible. It was like seeing a modern day 20th/21st century great composer, as he is second to none when it comes to writing composing and producing and creating a sound that is iconically' it's own. A once in a lifetime musician. These great audio and interview bits while he was getting his rocks off and maybe sneaking out for a puff between smokes or maybe the odd audible line around the 19 min mark all the way to ordering chips and talking dip preferences, this interview has it all!!! :D Much love and health and blessings to all of you who may still be reading
harry's got his eyes on van dyke while blonde girl and suit guy have eyes on each other, and the only ones looking at camera are van dyke and brian because they're showbiz survivors
THIS IS AROUND THE TIME HE DID ITS OK WITH ROY WOOD AND ROLLING UP TO HEAVEN THE ORIGINAL GOOD TIMIN SHORTNIN BREAD AND CHILD OF WINTER XMAS SONG ALL IN 1974!! ALOT OF BULLSHIT ABOUT HIM BEING IN BED ALL THE TIME, MUST OF THAT OCCURED AFTER MURRAY'S DEATH IN 1973!!
It's beautiful, he's just being who he is and was at this time, it's a historic document for a man we all are grateful made it through so many tunnels amidst hills valleys and mountains alike, I keep coming back to this because I love hearing him speak in this time frame. Not as a celebration but there are very few audio interviews of this era and yayo or no he was still doing his thang and being the Brian Wilson we all love , grateful he’s still with us (knock on wood) hope to see him soon again on tour with Al and Blondie!
I seriously love hearing Brian speak when he was lucid.
This is a serious peak behind the curtain for Brian. This is sincerely great insight here, if you pay attention.
This is a *SERIOUS* treasure for hardcore fans.
BEFORE HE MELTED DOWN HIS BRAIN.
SOUNDS LIKE COCAINE INDUCED EUPHORIA-COOL TILL YOU DO TOO MUCH--WHICH ALWAYS HAPPENS. THEN YOU NEED SOMETHING TO BRING YOU DOWN---AND THE ROLLER COASTER TO HELL BEGINS.
he sounds blown out of his skull on cocaine, as was the entertainment and in many ways general culture of the time
I love Brian. Listing to him makes me happy
a gem for sure
Audio is pristine which pleases my ears. Brian sounds in really good spirits with a strong rapport with Pewter on air. Thanks for letting us enjoy this.
I agree, thanks for the post
Nice to hear Brian sounding so happy to be communicating and doing it in a relatively controlled and considered manner.
Brian has always had a childlike innocence and enthusiasm. I saw footage the other day of him for his 80th. If you look and listen you can still see the enthusiasm for life, despite everything.
Its funny how childlike wonder is appreciated in adults but not in actual children themselves
Clean or not, the coolest part is hearing Brian react to each song. Genuine, pure joy.
WIDE EYED ENTHUSIASM.
Jim really handled Brian with so much forgiveness and love in this
one could even say.. love and mercy
If only everyone could’ve been that cool to him.
photo above , left to right - Van Dyke Parks, unknown lady, Brian Wilson, Harry Nilsson, unknown dude with dark sweater & tie..... I used to deliver Pizza to Jivin' Jim Pewtwer when he worked on the air at KMET on Wilshire- there was a speaker at the front door Jim would ring me in , and I would hang out in the station with Jim on the air- about 1974 ...
Very cozy interview. Nice to hear Brian so relaxed and playful.
I wish his voice stayed like that. Even though he smoked at the time his voice sounded like it naturally aged.
Love this picture of Brian Wilson and Harry Nilsson I’m a huge fan of both of them. They where two people who made wonderful and somewhat similar music. Brian is great in this interview he’s totally there in he moment and lucid ( whether “sober” or not he’s there) talking about music and life. Side note can you imagine hanging out with the two of them? I can only imagine the fun they had.
I sometimes ponder the thought of Harry joining the Beach Boys around 68. Like Fataar & Chaplin I don't think it would've lasted long enough, perhaps till 70 or 71. I could see One, Coconut & Everybody's Talkin' being on BB albums around that time. Maybe Brian would've been more involved with such a contemporary in their ranks. Then again Love might have clashed with him like He did with VD Parks.
Harry Nilsson used a lot of the same session musicians as Lennon, Harrison and Ringo in the seventies, and all three worked to varying degrees with Harry so I always imagined a 70s Beatles where Harry replaced Paul. Lennon’s Walls and Bridges and Harry’s Pussy Cats are essentially companion pieces, for example
Brian and Harry would have been good together too. I’ve always thought Brian would have been better off if he had left the Beach boys altogether in the 70s
He still had a bit of his younger voice left but you could hear it evolving into what he would sound like by 1976. By then his voice totally changed and became raspy for a while.
Michael David I was thinking the exact same thing.
Sadly the smoking hurt his voice.
I think it was more the cocaine and booze, along with psychosomatic effect of his mental illness. Cigarettes don’t make people lose their voice, if you look back historically. Back in the day most of the great singers smoked.
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Yea but they smoked natural tobacco
A friend of his once said that Brian had no malice or guile. He was a lamb led out to the slaughter. He didn't see evil coming, poor guy.
Yes. Poor guy
sounds autistic
Poor guy (net $100M). So what's your net worth... hahaha
@@larryboy1975 money doesn’t mean much. Anybody who focuses on money throughout their life is missing out. I’ve been poor and wealthy. Suffering exists no matter what.
@@scottmasson3039 ditto and yes it does...money doesn't stop sadness loneliness depression etc
I read that Brian was troubled immensely by his Fathers death. If you listen to him here, you hear a good and sensitive man under the influence. He's making excuses for not touring, he's defensive in some ways and very superficial. He's coping, but not coping well. At this juncture in his life he needs real help, not an exploitative Dr. who drove Brian deeper into himself.
His brother Carl said it best one time by describing Brian as an extremely sensitive man that bruises easily.
Many artists of his caliber are. It was his second wife and his family who eventually got the help he needed.
In 2015 he just released another solo album, and a good one at that. He's a tough guy considering all the pain he has been in. He's a survivor, and we are all lucky he did. What great music he gives us.
To your health Brian, and thank you for the music.
He is very lucid here, and most likely drunk or coked up, but he wasn't beyond help by modern standards, with good modern psychiatry, he would have been just fine eventually, unfortunately this was the 70's and he even probably could have been fine with the best of the best psychiatry back then......unfortunately, we all know he ended up with landy, who leached off him, and did get him on a healthy diet and lifestyle, but those massive doses of anti psychotics or what ever he had Brian on all thru the 80's fried his brain irreparablely......the drugs in the 70's were bad, but the legal drugs in the 80's were really, really, really bad
And I 200% agree with your comment
unfortunately I think things are still not quite so rosy for poor old Bri as your comment would indicate; regarding his second wife Melinda (who was portrayed glowingly in the relatively recent biopic), to hear Andy Paley describe it: "Working in the studio and especially touring is not really [Brian's] choice. His handlers, managers, and wife insist that he work. It's all a bit Landy-like when you look behind the curtain". it is unfortunate that Carl perished when he did, both for Carl's immediate family and the loss of his great talent and still strong voice, but for Brian's sake as it appears that Melinda and Joe Thomas continue to exploit an unwell man.
@@kddo11 - I agree.
:-(
Was heroin involved. .? Habit...?
Jim: "Brian let's pick out a cut from the Holland album."
Brian: {Deep sigh}
Yeah that album was a mess to make. They had recording equipment problems.
The "Holland" album is better material then any other material from the 70s, besides arguably "Surfs Up", It's a good album.
@@CartersRemasters Sunflower has some good tracks and Love You has a lot of charm. I'm not a fan of Holland. Still, I was observing BW's reaction.
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God bless Brian!
xoxo The Clarences
What a classy way to end this interview. Jim was really good at putting the subject at ease. I just wish he would’ve asked some more deep/meaningful questions, but this is still a real gem of an interview. Brian Wilson is beyond a living legend...He is a religion. Amen.
Brian’s voice sounds a lot like Carl on a few different occasions. Man, I really miss Carl & Denis and really love Brian. Pure kindness outta his heart, always!
Love & Mercy! 🤙🏽
I was thinking the same.
One thing I have noticed is that Brian seems to be incredibly honest, perhaps to a fault! He is pretty "normal" when he is comfortable and not stressed/scared etc.
Nice work cutting out all the songs and fading in with the interview, really nice, thanx for this
Fascinating stuff…Brian sounds like he snorted all of Scarface’s stash right before the interview. The crazy part is, he sounds like he would during the Landy years circa 88 , like during the Four Freshman story . It also sounds like he’s at times trying to sound different; he’s said later on he consciously was trying to send like Dennis and Randy Newman, but I wonder if he was trying to sound like Carl at this point (like on parts of the 1975 version of In the back of my mind )
Brian sounds so much like Carl, here. Or vice versa, since Brian's the elder
This is an amazing artifact!
The toll of drugs.....
Best interview I have ever hear with Brian Wilson. He sounds completely normal and his voice isn't yet raspy as it would be 2 years later. He's very focused and alert. Whatever he finally plunged in to by the late 70s, it took half his head off and he hasn't been the same since. I wonder what drugs it was by the late 70s that has left him in the mental shape he is in these days?? The LSD of the 60s, didn't take it's toll on him as is evident in this interview..but something did later on.
All the prescription drugs given by Landy
There is one glaring addition to his life by '75, the following year after this interview - Eugene Landy. Whatever Landy put him on, it made him a totally different person by '76. You can hear it in his voice. You can hear it in his speech. The guy in this interview is coherent. Hearing him prior to this? Same thing. '76 on? WTF!!
It was all the experimental psychiatric pharmacology that made him space out a little. That landy was a shit head.
The voices he claims to have heard in his head ever since his first LSD trip probably contributed to his depression, withdrawal from life, and need for help, which led his overmedication by a quack because mainstream psychiatry didn't know a lot about persistent hallucinogenic perception disorder. It's all related.
@@ms8596 There's an interview with Brian from 1977 in which he is extremely coherent. th-cam.com/video/YZAwYF2tLbU/w-d-xo.html
The music sounds so much better than modern remasters.
Always good to hear Brian.
He sounds like Carl in a lot of spots
Is that Harry Nilsson in the denim jacket standing next to Brian in the graphic? Definitely looks like him.
Can you imagine recording in a train station?
Brian "Wait, play that train back"
They have so many songs
It,s always good to hear anything from the master-Mr.Brian Wilson..
You notice Brian's voice is not slurred yet before he met his doctor.
"doctor"...
Yeah I concur "doctor"
Wish he wasnt dead so I could find him and beat his ass
He got exposed and lost his medical license thanks to Carl and his family. Everyone hates Landy and his memory is tarnished forever so he got some comeuppance
The guy on the far right is the poet Stevie Kalinich. NB
known for writing the lyrics to that winter single, with the outro melody that wilson would later reuse in "mike come back to la" and whatever they ended up calling that on the LP i can't remember. edit: it was "some of your love"
@@nichezramos7878 Is that Bryan s wife in the photo
@@waynesilverman3048 extramarital girlfriend debbie keil
Brian later was on a tribute album for Nilsson, so they must have been chill. You know those Nilsson kickbacks would have been extremely cool with Lennon, McCartney, Cooper, Wilson, Moon and all the other amazing artists.
Brian Wilson is the BEST!
So cool that this is where Brian learns Endless Summer was a hit. Seems after that things really started to turn around for the group, of course Brian still had a long way to go with recovery
Tommy Morgan was the professional harmonica player that the Beach Boys hired for their songs, including Pet Songs. He was legendary in his own right.
Poor Brian being sad about his wait, really makes me sad.
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Interesting to hear the true stereo I Want To Hold Your Hand, which was not yet released in the U.S.
I bet you this DJ had reel to reels of all the Beach Boys music. It sounds amazing.
I noticed some the older BB selections played here were probably pulled from the Endless Summer compilation - as they aired the lp versions of Be True to Your School and Help Me Rhonda, and not the actual 45 rpm hit versions. Interesting to hear the lp duophonic mixes here...
This interview makes me really see where John Cusack drew his performance in “Love and Mercy” from, the inflection and pacing of Brian’s talking is almost exactly like John Cusack’s performance of 80s Brian in “Love and Mercy”, or, the other way around I guess. It’s really interesting to hear Brian from this time period where he hadn’t quite degraded his voice down to it’s condition in “Love You”, but it wasn’t the same 20-something tenor voice it had been. Listening to his 1975 demo of “In the Back of My Mind” makes me feel so serene, he could’ve made some really wonderful baritone music during this time.
Is BW literally doing a line after they come back from break @22:27?
oh my....
It's certainly sounds that way - nice catch! I think...
According to the Brian Wilson Lost Years documentary I just watched, yes he absolutely did.
And it sounds like it was a hell of a line too, he was zooted!. so much so the interviewer basically had to play a song right away.
Sounds like he is snorting cocaine.
Jim Pewter seemed to handle it well enough. He sounds slightly annoyed, though, when he asks: “Huh?” Then Brian makes non senseicle noises and Jim just says: “Yeah.”
Love the natural conversation about potato chip dip, this is one of the best -if not the best brian wilson's interview
Thanks for this
Brian is such a sweet soul!!!!!
He was doing a lot of cocaine, overeating, and spending a lot of time in bed but he wasn't a complete recluse. This was before Landy "treated" him.
SuperFringy doesn’t he snort cocaine live on this show?
@@chrisfeeney5814 around the 22 minute mark
Does anyone know if that's Harry Nilsson in the photo, makes sense if was 74, the time of lennon's " lost weekend" period
craig Mitchell yup it is -
Yes
John Lennon should be filmed Fear And Loathing with all the booze he was doing
I had no idea Brian even did any interviews in the 70's.. From what you read its like Brian was a wreck, but he's laughing and with it here. I guess the shit hit the fan properly from around this time onward..
He was always lucid until Landy got a hold of him.
Especially round two. Round one not much damage was done. Brian lost the weight and all. Round two F’d him proper. He lost the light in his eyes after that. Deer in headlights look from them on. Poor fella. He needed Jesus not the quacks around him.
Very good interview. But god Brian must feel so bad hearing his old voice to that moment, he couldn't reach those notes anymore
Brian doesn’t like his 60s falsetto and purposely ruined his voice
I love how Brian has always known his work was at the highest level, yet completely separated that from his ego. That’s some sort of divine genius there
Any one can be a genius but few know how to keep their ego in check.
Look at Kanye West, Tupac Shakur, Eazy-E, Captain Beefheart, or Orson Welles.
Great artists but terrible people.
Brian’s speaking and singing voice that’s very good in 1974 he sounds like an older version of his 1960s voice
What really upsets me about hearing this, is Brian sounded GREAT here. He certainly was fighting battles inside his mind, but Brain was only 32 here, a young man who had just lost his father, had recently become a father, and had a meteoric rise and fall at a very young age. He was an artist who at once had been told he was brilliant and a genius, and those closest to him lost faith in his Smile project which I think wounded his confidence more than people can imagine. He still was writing great music in the late sixties and early 70s, but his band was stuck in the mid sixties which didn’t allow him to grow. I only wish someone could have convinced him to finish Smile as a solo project and be a solo artist, while producing The Beach Boys. His work in the early 70s (70-72) was brilliant, basically alternative before alternative. No one got it...The real tragedy is that his family allowed that kook into Brian’s life, without really knowing what he would do to him. They have him free reign and instead of getting him real help, they pawned him off because they didn’t want to deal with him. This young man that had brought them all to where they were, and they sat and watched as Landy fried his brain with a concoction of drugs that were probably intended to harm and possibly kill him, it’s a miracle that he survived. I just hate that now people say the drugs in the sixties caused his brain damage, they definitely didn’t help, but the real damage occurred in the late 70s and 80s, when the family signed him away and let Landy have his way. Just shows you how misunderstood mental illness is, and how the majority of people both don’t understand and also don’t want to...I blame his current state on his family, not the drugs.
The Surf's Up album if anything was ahead of its time sonically. I wouldn't say they were stuck in the mid 60s, although in the mid late 70s they regressed, but Brian was gone more or less
I do not place the blame for Brian's troubles on his family entirely. Most of the blame goes to Dr. Landy, a lot of goes to the Wilsons' father, Murry Wilson, some to Brian himself, some to his first wife, Marilyn, and some to Carl and the rest of the group for hiring Landy the second time.
Also, the person who has most perpetrated the myth that 1960s hallucinogenic drugs fried Brian's brain is Brian himself.
Finally, the period of the early 1970s through the end of 1973 was among their most creative times as a group. Sunflower, Carl and the Passions, Surf's Up and Holland found Carl and Dennis Wilson really coming to the fore in terms of songwriting and producing. The only member of the band who seemed stuck in the 1960s at that time was Mike Love. Then the Endless Summer greatest hits double album was released by Capitol in 1974, and it's success completed quashed Carl's and Dennis's progressive efforts. Mike and his 1960s musical mentality began to take hold and it has held sway ever since then.
I think the real reason for Brian's fall is because social expectancy of the Beach Boys to remain some novelty fad of innocence.
It was stated that even before his breakdown, Brian hated being labeled as a surf rock group. And if you were to listen to surf rock bands other than the Beach Boys, you'd realize right away the Beach Boys were more lush orchestral pop with a garage beat.
And the couple of albums that were made before Pet Sounds were very introspective, the same of introspect that was responsible for Beatles' Yesterday, Help, and Eight Days A Week.
Surfers didn’t even listen to The Beach Boys cause it never was “surfing music” he was a 20 year old kid who didn’t have the life experiences to write about life yet (some could at that age, just Brian didn’t) it’s why he asked Dennis what should I write about.
So much misunderstanding regarding Brian Wilson's nervous breakdown. I'm not even a Beach Boys fan and I can tell right away what happened simply from my brief analysis of Wilson during this period. His father's death had an incredible effect on his ability to cope with life. He fell into clinical depression, overslept and overate while taking drugs to try and numb the pain. He wasn't schizophrenic like his doctor thought and in fact Wilson was only regressing into a childlike state of fantasy and imagination yet again to cope with his depression. He was manipulated by his doctor who perpetuated his child like state with delusions in order to convince further work and in result continue profiting. Some people think the way he speaks is evidence of his eccentricity but in fact he was born deaf in one ear and has an unusual speech pattern where he curls his lip because of it.
Misterioso After his misdiagnosis from that monster Landy, he was diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder. He still hears voices to this day. The drugs and negative major life events made his condition even worse.
Almost sounds a lil Jim Morrison-ish with his speaking voice's tone.
I love Brian❤️
Where can I find The Jim Pewter Show archives?
“Do you like, uh, Fritos, that kinda stuff?” 24:35
Who are all the people in that picture with Brian?
Wasn’t this during the era where Brian supposedly couldn’t get out of bed?
Supposedly starting with his father's death in 1973, yeah. But toward the end of 1974 (October, so around the time of this interview) Beach Boys' Endless Summer was so well received that they, including Brian, tried to record new music but only got out a few tracks. In 1974 it seems like Brian was hit or miss depending on who he was with and what he was doing but really trying to ignore whatever he was dealing with. A year later he sought help from Landy which lasted for about a year, until the end of 1976. Then he really went down in it.
Brian said in some interview that he was actually only in bed for 2-3 weeks not 3 years that became the rumor. His dad Murry used to get angry and depressed and spend time in bed mom Audree said in an interview I heard. So I think Brian had some mental illness like his dad or he just learned that behavior as a small child and coped with it later with the drugs. just my opinion
Is there an unedited version with the music?
Does anyone know who the blonde is? and is that Van Dyke Parks? And why is Harry so mad?
Blondie Chaplin, a South African musician. They came together in Holland where the Boys spent about one year. I believer Chaplin is of African and Dutch origins. Great voice has he!!
@@marymagdalene3004 - Yes, the blonde in the photo is definitely Blondie Chaplin. . . . . .
;-)
@debussy10
Yes, that's Van Dyke Parks.
I don't think Harry looks mad. He seems to be normal or listening.
I don't know who the blonde is but the other commenter here, Mary Magdalene, seems to! ;-)
could the blonde be debbie keil, brian's girlfriend at the time?
I love Brian's look here.
I love how excited he got talking about chips lol
Great interview
I love this
3:00 is the greatest.
Who is the hot blonde with her arm around Brian? Is that Debbie Keil back in the day?
pretty sure it is, yeah. brian had some hot girlfriends
@@dylanharkin8198despite being married in 1974
The songs sound sooo much better than the Spotify versions? Why??
Listen to the Beach Boys in mono. Brian always mixed in mono until Friends
Remastering things can ruin them. They take old songs and “update” then for modern listening. Like more punchy bass. Tighter and thicker low end. Added high mids and maybe to end. More time than not the originals sound better. Remastering is a money grab. 1987 digital masters (all music from 60/70s remastered for the first time digitally for CD release) sound best to me. Theyre not squashed and have headroom,
Meaning keeping the dynamics. It’s not all compressed to death.
What the heck was going on @ 22:18 ?!?
Ripping a fat rail
he also might have realized that he was about 33 here (correct me if Im wrong) - and they were talking about the fade of When I Grow Up going up to 33 if you listen as long as possible- so - he might have bugged out a little......
hellomcflyy yeah it hit him hard
And, at that moment in this recording, he was taking a hit of some cocaine.. swear..
thank yoou!
Kenny & the Cadets
Great interview, any way to get in contact with Jim Pewter? Email address? I'm stumped on a song title from a record that came out in the early 60's. I'm sure with his knowledge he'd name it!!
22:25 brian doing some.. ya know,, sniffsniff... cokeeen
Are VanDyke and Brian holding/drinking full glasses of milk? Or were they given some sort of candle as a party favor?
Alexander Brandy's
This was during Brian’s real down period. He sounds great, hanging out with amazing talented people and Debbie Kiel is all over him! What went wrong 😂 😂😂
Quacks shrinks
what’s the song that starts playing at 1:03?
Do It Again
I'm thoroughly confused by this interview. I consider myself to be a die-hard BB's fan and know all the minutiae and trivial details regarding the band's existence. Wasn't Brian supposedly in bed from '73'-'75? This interview appears to be an entirely different Brian Wilson than what documentaries, interviews, and books would have you believe. No doubt I'm sure he was a wreck and a drug addict, but is this whole "I stayed in bed for 2.5/3 years" just a ruse to have us believe he was in worse condition than he actually was?
HELLO ADAM I WORKED ON THE CALIFORNIA MYTH BOOK IN 1977-78 BY DAVID LEAF! GET THE BOOK ON AMAZON ITS WORTH IT!! ABOUT BEING IN BED MOST OF IT OCCURED FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS AFTER MURRAY'S DEATH IN 1973!! THAT'S THE MYTH LIKE BRIAN BURNED ALL OF THE SMILE TAPES!! THE BOYS AND BRIAN CAN PUT THE BEST ON YOU KNOW, ALOT OF BULL SHIT BY THEM FOR PUBLICITY PURPOSES!!
He probably got out here and there, plus he might be coked up, which may account for his lucidity here, alcohol can make u more alert too sometimes
Alcohol can make u very engaged sometimes....other times it makes u total shit
You can't lie down for 24 months. You need to stretch your legs and do some radio shows from time to time.
There is SO much media-made myth surrounding The Beach Boys and him being in bed for that long is definitely one of them (along with him & Mike "hating" each other).
:-)
I wonder if he was doing lines in the studio
I mean, you can hear the aftermath of him ripping a hog rail then getting so wired he can barely talk later on in the video.
@@donaldronson1387 Yup
I think I heard that around 8:35
Sweeeeet mother of Jeezus is he flying high on coke here or what?!?! 🤣 can almost hear his heart pounding a million miles an hour thru the mic 🎙💥
At 22 mins he rips a rail. Good long tail too it seems
What the hell is happening at 22:20 Thru 22:36? Was Brian shooting up? Sure sounds like he was! (in the background) He starts cursing and says "Errr goddam jesuschrrr WOO Heavy!" Then he sounds like he is talking real fast!
It’s the cocaine talking
We’re starting to think BW’s whacked out period wasn’t as bad as it has been portrayed. He seemed completely normal here.
Most people can handle themselves well when they’re on coke but it wasn’t until landy started putting Wilson on medication while he was doing drugs ruined him
you need a little more research. there was a whole "brian is back" campaign in the 70s, and he even appeared on Saturday night live!
there are parts of this interview where Brian sounds absolutely insane.
it's the coke
if he started talking fast - it probably would be coke - not diesel.......
"He's very focused and alert" That's what coke will do for you.
I love reading people speak of drugs when they have never tried anything stronger than a tylenol.
@kissed61--- and I agree with you about drugs,,hate it when people act like they know about them, when they don't know jack shit
This, he's def euphorically stimulated and in a nice groove, I think some people who havent tried it before thinks having the odd line of snow is going to turn people into Nicholas Cage Impersonating Macho Man Randy Savage or something, it's just a sociable thing I wouldnt put it past a top level artist and successful rockstar like Brian Wilson in the early mid 70s (esp when the coasts were having their first big 'coke blizzards' before the 80s would sweep the nations adventurous and curiously pursuing and exercising their own personal liberty (off my soap box now lol)
long story a bit longer, You can tell he's having a fun time at the station chatting with a jockie who he befriended and would interview throughout the years, so he was out having a ball and a half, thankfully he's alive and healthy and living a happy and fulfilling life. In fact I got to see Brian Wilson and Al Jardine (and Scott Jardine) and an incredible band perform the entirety of Pet Sounds in set 2 and the the first set was chalk full of all the chat tunes and fan favs. It was incredible. It was like seeing a modern day 20th/21st century great composer, as he is second to none when it comes to writing composing and producing and creating a sound that is iconically' it's own. A once in a lifetime musician. These great audio and interview bits while he was getting his rocks off and maybe sneaking out for a puff between smokes or maybe the odd audible line around the 19 min mark all the way to ordering chips and talking dip preferences, this interview has it all!!! :D
Much love and health and blessings to all of you who may still be reading
Brian Wilson is the oldest 32 year old in history here
harry's got his eyes on van dyke while blonde girl and suit guy have eyes on each other, and the only ones looking at camera are van dyke and brian because they're showbiz survivors
Great picture of Brian and Harry at the party. Drinking Brandy Alexanders no less! Mr. Lennon must have been close by.
Might have been the time Brian met Lennon more than once
I think Brian was trolling him. Lol
THIS IS AROUND THE TIME HE DID ITS OK WITH ROY WOOD AND ROLLING UP TO HEAVEN THE ORIGINAL GOOD TIMIN SHORTNIN BREAD AND CHILD OF WINTER XMAS SONG ALL IN 1974!! ALOT OF BULLSHIT ABOUT HIM BEING IN BED ALL THE TIME, MUST OF THAT OCCURED AFTER MURRAY'S DEATH IN 1973!!
Brian sounds like himself from the 60s and 80s. His voice was really starting to sound more and more hoarse.
7:46
that coke Brian is high on during this interview... man I bet it was good
Prob from Merck. Keef said it the best. 95% and “no comedown”
Under the spell of cocaine! Very sad to hear him in this state.
It's beautiful, he's just being who he is and was at this time, it's a historic document for a man we all are grateful made it through so many tunnels amidst hills valleys and mountains alike, I keep coming back to this because I love hearing him speak in this time frame. Not as a celebration but there are very few audio interviews of this era and yayo or no he was still doing his thang and being the Brian Wilson we all love , grateful he’s still with us (knock on wood) hope to see him soon again on tour with Al and Blondie!
frankie valli in the pic too
Marco Falzone where
Cristian Reyes oh yeah, i see. What a yutz
K A W A I I
What?
Perhaps.