I agree with Draymond. The DPOY should always guard the opposition's best player. Like when the warriors played Lebron, it would always be Draymond guarding him, not Andre Iguodala. Oh wait.
@@WheresWaldo05 The fuck you on about. Draymond's predominantly played as a forward in his entire career or sometimes a small ball centre. No reason why he couldn't guard Lebron particularly because the cavs didnt have a dominant offensive centre anyway.
Yeah I’m DEFINITELY taking dejounte over garland. I’m from Cleveland and went to so many cavs games garland was not that good this year at all and even worse in the playoffs. Go loook at Murrays stats and compare them. He clears...... I think Bro might be drunk
Dude bring back 2k20. Or 19 just copy and paste the game with the new rosters and I’ll be happy. Those games were actually fun and it didn’t cost me my whole meat to upgrade a build
@@Mrdonjuliothewicked we can say a lot of people who are all stars players who never made the all star team clear them Cj McCollum is 1 player who is definitely a all star but never gets the nod
drew pushes tua agenda with bias joel gives his honest opinion of tua drew instantly attacks one of joel’s favorite qb to try and prop up tua these tua fans are violent
Okc would never draft Edey,okc would draft a wing and a guard before Edey m, if the big ain’t kel el ware,Daron Holmes or Kyle flipowski okc not drafting them
Spurs would pick Risacher at 4 if he’s available. Starting 5 of Tre, Devin, Zaccharie, Jeremy, and Victor, and whichever guard that falls to 8 off the bench to start the season.
Dejounte has better stats than garland while playing SG next to one of the most ball dominant players in the league in trae young,😂, while garland gets to be the PG next to mitchell who loves to play off ball. Dejounte is outperforming garland in a worst situation, DJ clearly better but maybe that's just me
This man said it took the Mavs 3 years to win a playoff series with Luka and only 1 year for OKC. My guy, playing a healthy Clippers team most picked as the favorites to win it all back vs playing a Pels team without Zion and injured Ingram as the favorites is a huge difference.
yeah john’s argument was heavily flawed because every thing you can say about dejounte you can flip on garland, not to mention Darius can’t play a LICK of defense meanwhile we know dejounte has the capability of playin defense, also he mentions hawks team defense being bad but when drew brings up individual numbers stats don’t matter.. that whole debate was a tough listen
Joel is 100% correct about 2k it’s so bad, they try to make it realistic and it’s just not fun. The running is hella slow, I get it nobody would sprint, but idc let me sprint. Nobody would sprint as an Assassin but AC still has the option. Funny thing is they’ll make it realistic, but the game isn’t realistic because you can be a later round pick and start the first season which is very rarely happening. It’s such a bad game and Dehls is right new mainstream sucks they’re very underwhelming which is why I turned to indie games and they’re so good. And yeah nah these gaming companies don’t care at all
I agree with Joel with the whole NBA 2k issue. It’s turned into a damn life stimulator. That’s why it takes so long to load and the frame rate can drop. They have all this unnecessary garbage
The only time Wemby should play the 4 is if Jokic is on his team. Part of what started his run this year was moving him back to his natural position at the 5. Why would you nerf your generational player for anyone? If your new player only fits if you have to move your best player out of their natural position then they dont really fit.
The Cavs literally admitted they put mobley offensive development on the back burner, they have to give Mobley time and give him better opportunities to become the player everyone believes he can be
If the rockets keep that pick and he’s still on the board and they don’t take him, I would be a little frustrated. Shooting is their biggest weakness and he offers that at an elite level while being unselfish with a high feel for the game
I was just peacefully listening to the pod and than Drew had to start saying some bullshit 3:09 Drew you know the pipebomb is what made punk the guy he is now. That nexus angle was going nowhere fast he lost to Randy at that years mania and wasn’t doing anything of note until that happened he had a few runs but he was never the guy before the pipebomb.
Hot take but has there ever been a more confident player in NBA history… yes NBA history than Ant? I can’t remember a player in recent history talk like Ant does even when they seem to be down and out and everyone is writing the Timberwolves off.
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My issue with Garland is bruh has done nothing but declined and been injured too much plus his defense really dang bad. I’d fasho take DeJounte > Garland every single time
y'all are great analyst if I didn't know y'all weren't bummy warriors and Knicks fans I would have guessed your Cavs fans in how much you can go in depth. I consider my self one of the biggest Cavs fans and you guys filled in so many blanks conceptually with what's wrong with our team. To go a step further though and it's hinted with JB is that dons gameplan is a solo act. Like a player like A.I. and early years Kyrie was they never made anyone better or molded to them in anyway. A no compromise in mindset or style path. He never moves off ball and never flows around the court in the enhancement of other people. Someone like okoro or strus are great at it. Don just wants his team to go to his level rather than him maximizing his teammates. It's like trauma he learned from Utah having to carry it lolz, but fr he a one man army energetically and doesn't spread himself thin in any way shrinking those around him which are generally soft individuals. Cavs aint like the Knicks or twolves they are mommas boys. Mobley garland and okoro need to keep growing together and well win a chip ong
Im sorry but for the future of the league Caitlin DOES need to be great. The eyeballs she brings have to extend beyond this year to matter. The W have always had great players and no one cared. This year has to be special.
@@seanrichards4316 Everyone knows the Wnba exist but what is there to promote? The league has a fundamental problem in that its not fun or interesting to watch. This new crop of players bring an exciting style of play that bring eyeballs. They need to succeed for the league to succeed.
You act like Luka was carried. He averaged 30/9/10 vs the Clippers and is leading the playoffs in points generated off his assists Not to mention the two most important games of the series (Games 2 and 5) Luka had 32/6/9 and 35/7/10
@@pickaside look at the shooting splits in the Clippers series... Also look at the 3rd and 4th quarters where Kyrie had to go ballistic to get those wins. Put more respect on that defense give the credit to Kyrie, and to PJ for hitting a lot of big 3s. It's not just the Luka show
Joel is the only one spittin on the Cavs. completely right. we got 4 really good players individually but developmentally they were brought in ignoring our youth even tho thats what will last. we should trade don for Ingram and Hawkins and a pick then keep Allen and mobley for one more season with the towers. if not well trade Allen for kuminga and then have a lineup of garland, Hawkins, Ingram, kuminga, and Ingram. GOD SQUAD! people talk down on Cleveland to block their own light and potential. we have to have prove it but asset wise we are solid asf. go reread that starting 5 and tell me its not going to sweat nuggets or twovles in the next 3-5 years
Trading Donovan for Ingram would be S tier stupidity. Comparing the Cavs to the Nuggets or T-Wolves is disingenuous because those teams aren’t poorly constructed, they discovered Ant and Jokic (no one expected Jokic to be this good). Allen is gone, Mobley has shown he is capable of running the 5. A lineup that you mentioned would not be great. There isn’t a viable shooting threat there and the ceiling for that group wouldn’t be high. The two big lineups can’t necessarily co-exist anymore. And he wasn’t necessarily spitting because if Joel knew about the Cavs he would understand the roster construction is poor
@@charlesthompson5645those are all terrible comparisons n that might be the dumbest trade cause ingram is on a one year deal.. if it were garland for ingram then you’re cooking, Cavs need to do everything they can to keep Mitchell, I used to think Garland was up next but this year n last years playoffs really showed he doesn’t have much upside as a brittle 6’1 guard
@@TheMillionman9295look how long it took cj mcullom to get good. Had the same problem. He had to learn rhythm and pockets more extensively since he wasn’t the athlete other guards are. Garland will take time to get consistent all star appearances.
@@charlesthompson5645 CJ was good after 2 season? n you could attribute that to just more opportunity.. I just don’t see how Garland can get much better only improvement he can really make in his game is becoming a better playmaker can’t have the nickname DG the Pg n you got a 2:1 Assist/TO ratio he’s showed these past two years he struggles being an off ball player n he’s not the type of player that’s gonna carry you any where as the number one
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Never thought I’d see a heated debate about Murray and Garland and Riv ain’t even there. Crazy to me 😭
"We're having a mid off" 😂 that was hilarious Joel Dehls
Been watching pickaside for the past 2 years and hella impressed of the consistency and growth from you guys. Love from the uk!
I agree with Draymond. The DPOY should always guard the opposition's best player. Like when the warriors played Lebron, it would always be Draymond guarding him, not Andre Iguodala.
Oh wait.
So centers should guard point guards now eh...? Casual take. 🤡
@@WheresWaldo05 The fuck you on about. Draymond's predominantly played as a forward in his entire career or sometimes a small ball centre. No reason why he couldn't guard Lebron particularly because the cavs didnt have a dominant offensive centre anyway.
@@Crundmama No center, defensive player of the year or not, is guarding Ja Morant. Ever. So your statement is trash. The end.
When draymond guarded bron in the 2015 finals he shot 36%
@@luckyy5464 Cool. An all star dpoy forward guarding another all star mvp level forward. What is your point?
No way I heard that Garland has a bigger trade market than Dejounte Murray LMAOO
Garland 24
Murray 27
So yeah. Not rocket science who has the better trade value.
They got about the same trade market Ngl
murray clears dawg LMAOO
Dejounte better right now but Garland still has a good chance to be better in a different situation
delusional
Yeah I’m DEFINITELY taking dejounte over garland. I’m from Cleveland and went to so many cavs games garland was not that good this year at all and even worse in the playoffs. Go loook at Murrays stats and compare them. He clears...... I think Bro might be drunk
Drew’s favorite word is “Amazing” 😂
Reed is going #3 😭😭😭
I see 4 GQ models💯🔥
5 if riv was there
Dude bring back 2k20. Or 19 just copy and paste the game with the new rosters and I’ll be happy. Those games were actually fun and it didn’t cost me my whole meat to upgrade a build
Garland is a average guard Dejounte Murray clears him
Crazy to say a one time all star "clears" another.....one time all star.
keep lying to yourself buddy lmao.
Lol. 🤡
Dejounte is outperforming garland and he's in a worst situation for himself than garland is.
Dejounte>Garland
@@Mrdonjuliothewicked we can say a lot of people who are all stars players who never made the all star team clear them Cj McCollum is 1 player who is definitely a all star but never gets the nod
Victor was best as the starting center
Drew was so salty in the NFL talk!!!
drew pushes tua agenda with bias
joel gives his honest opinion of tua
drew instantly attacks one of joel’s favorite qb to try and prop up tua
these tua fans are violent
Okc would never draft Edey,okc would draft a wing and a guard before Edey m, if the big ain’t kel el ware,Daron Holmes or Kyle flipowski okc not drafting them
Drew gonna pick against the Mavs everytime until he’s right and when he’s right he’s gonna brag like he hasn’t been wrong 4 times before 😂
Wow Reed at 14 is insane I have him 3rd to the Rockets
Spurs would pick Risacher at 4 if he’s available. Starting 5 of Tre, Devin, Zaccharie, Jeremy, and Victor, and whichever guard that falls to 8 off the bench to start the season.
Dejounte has better stats than garland while playing SG next to one of the most ball dominant players in the league in trae young,😂, while garland gets to be the PG next to mitchell who loves to play off ball. Dejounte is outperforming garland in a worst situation, DJ clearly better but maybe that's just me
and $30 million for dejounte was a steal and an pay cut murray took for the hawks, people forget vanvleet is making 40+ mill.
This man said it took the Mavs 3 years to win a playoff series with Luka and only 1 year for OKC. My guy, playing a healthy Clippers team most picked as the favorites to win it all back vs playing a Pels team without Zion and injured Ingram as the favorites is a huge difference.
bro tried to give garland the excuse of playing with donovan when dejounte plays with trae young
yeah john’s argument was heavily flawed because every thing you can say about dejounte you can flip on garland, not to mention Darius can’t play a LICK of defense meanwhile we know dejounte has the capability of playin defense, also he mentions hawks team defense being bad but when drew brings up individual numbers stats don’t matter.. that whole debate was a tough listen
Joel is 100% correct about 2k it’s so bad, they try to make it realistic and it’s just not fun. The running is hella slow, I get it nobody would sprint, but idc let me sprint. Nobody would sprint as an Assassin but AC still has the option. Funny thing is they’ll make it realistic, but the game isn’t realistic because you can be a later round pick and start the first season which is very rarely happening. It’s such a bad game and Dehls is right new mainstream sucks they’re very underwhelming which is why I turned to indie games and they’re so good. And yeah nah these gaming companies don’t care at all
STOP GIVING 2k YOUR MONEY
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Dejounte is better than garland no debate here if you watched the Cavs this year
well no shit genius dejounte didn’t miss half of the season with a fractured jaw
It’s pronounced “Suh-lon” 😂 like a hair salon
That was killing me too lmao
I agree with Joel with the whole NBA 2k issue. It’s turned into a damn life stimulator. That’s why it takes so long to load and the frame rate can drop. They have all this unnecessary garbage
The only time Wemby should play the 4 is if Jokic is on his team. Part of what started his run this year was moving him back to his natural position at the 5. Why would you nerf your generational player for anyone? If your new player only fits if you have to move your best player out of their natural position then they dont really fit.
I like reed sheppard for rockets low maintenance guy and can have him learn from fred and the way nba is played today you can play 2 guards in stints
Ime loved playing Fred and Holiday together, so he would have no problem having Reed in that equation
Best sports podcast out been watching for 3 years crazy it’s about to be 400 shit kinda crazy 😂
The Cavs literally admitted they put mobley offensive development on the back burner, they have to give Mobley time and give him better opportunities to become the player everyone believes he can be
Are we allen is that much better than Mobley? Mobley have damn near similar averages and still being so raw
What’s the discord and 2k sever name?
discord.gg/Ab9Henme
Reed is NOT making it to the bottom of the lottery but I agree with a lot of these otherwise
Pas is a great combination of sports analysis with some passion and bias real fan kind of show.
Murray 3 team trade somehow with pels so that hawks don’t get stuck with CJ is a good idea
Zach isn’t going to be a thunder, we’d take Cody over him
Can yall pls do the rest of ur mocks for the 1st round. Would be interesting to hear 1 player that helps each team next season
Reed shepherd going that low is silly
If the rockets keep that pick and he’s still on the board and they don’t take him, I would be a little frustrated. Shooting is their biggest weakness and he offers that at an elite level while being unselfish with a high feel for the game
Drew was being kind it is 100k each build and that’s not even maxing them out 😂😂😂😂
That trade package from Drew was the most typical LA Laker fanboy trade package ever lmaoooo
Bruh Drew is hilarious man, literally willing to die behind Dejounte Murray😭😭
I was just peacefully listening to the pod and than Drew had to start saying some bullshit 3:09 Drew you know the pipebomb is what made punk the guy he is now. That nexus angle was going nowhere fast he lost to Randy at that years mania and wasn’t doing anything of note until that happened he had a few runs but he was never the guy before the pipebomb.
Bo3 the best yall are ball knowers but video game CASUALS! Also Joel you gotta lock in on the 2k shit is in a good spot rn imo
they prop up mid guys to oppose other mid guys😭😭😭 and Drew’s a Broncos fan🤣🤣🤣
John more comfortable was good this show I liked this episode fellas 💯🤞🏾
1:42:00 😂 Garland was not good Dehls “ Then why did u want him” come on Drew definitely laker bias in there lmao
drew gotta say this is the least knowledgable ive ever heard you be on football. taking hurts with a better receiver wouldnt make that team better
Finally someone on the show speaking the truth about that bum Hurts
Riv ducking smh
He’s not
Dejonte and Garland are at the same table, someone needs to check John's pretentiousness
Where would current Jalen johnson and prime Tobias Harris go in this years draft.
Prime Harris being those 18 ppg years in Detroit
Probably top 5
Bro is trippin, Dejounte is way better than Garland
That build a team for $21 😖. Ya might wanna listen to Drew next time
Hot take but has there ever been a more confident player in NBA history… yes NBA history than Ant? I can’t remember a player in recent history talk like Ant does even when they seem to be down and out and everyone is writing the Timberwolves off.
Also at the age of 22
Shout to Drew for shouting me out 🫡
MLB the show 24 has been fire this year your missing out Drew
As a spurs fan, I’d rather give up assets for dejounte than garland
Scoot henderson was SO terrible last year?? 🤣
Bro that was sticking up for 2k is the reason it won’t ever get better
Thank you for the hard work and content you guys continue to put out. Even if your here every episode or every other, your work is appreciated 💯 stay blessed pick a side team!
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Wemby will be the 5 he's not playing the 4
I think that Risacher will be the best guy in the draft. All round 6-8 wing who can shoot. 6'8 Franz Wagner type guy.
Nah. Just another Ryen Rupert or Ousmane Dieng.
nexus is not what took him to stardom lol , paul heyman did that
4 headed goats
Wasting Clingans career to be a backup is nasty
Reed Sheppard went way too low brothers.
As far DeJounte or Garland alongside Zion you gotta go with DeJounte because Zion is already undersized, you can’t have multiple undersized players.
My issue with Garland is bruh has done nothing but declined and been injured too much plus his defense really dang bad. I’d fasho take DeJounte > Garland every single time
the panthers hate is crazy😭😭😭
No way Holland drops that far
I agree take Clingan at 3 Houston.
I gotta get in on these 2k runs.
Prays to River Brown
Dehls cooked on this one lol
First comment 🥲
W WWE talk
Murray > Garland
More of John!!!!
1:48:25 Lol
y'all are great analyst if I didn't know y'all weren't bummy warriors and Knicks fans I would have guessed your Cavs fans in how much you can go in depth. I consider my self one of the biggest Cavs fans and you guys filled in so many blanks conceptually with what's wrong with our team. To go a step further though and it's hinted with JB is that dons gameplan is a solo act. Like a player like A.I. and early years Kyrie was they never made anyone better or molded to them in anyway. A no compromise in mindset or style path. He never moves off ball and never flows around the court in the enhancement of other people. Someone like okoro or strus are great at it. Don just wants his team to go to his level rather than him maximizing his teammates. It's like trauma he learned from Utah having to carry it lolz, but fr he a one man army energetically and doesn't spread himself thin in any way shrinking those around him which are generally soft individuals. Cavs aint like the Knicks or twolves they are mommas boys. Mobley garland and okoro need to keep growing together and well win a chip ong
5th
Darius is trash
Im sorry but for the future of the league Caitlin DOES need to be great. The eyeballs she brings have to extend beyond this year to matter. The W have always had great players and no one cared. This year has to be special.
Maybe because the league was poorly promoted thats why
@@seanrichards4316 Everyone knows the Wnba exist but what is there to promote? The league has a fundamental problem in that its not fun or interesting to watch. This new crop of players bring an exciting style of play that bring eyeballs. They need to succeed for the league to succeed.
Love how Joel M not mentioning that Luka is only in that position bc Kyrie carried against the Clippers and Kawhi was out
You act like Luka was carried. He averaged 30/9/10 vs the Clippers and is leading the playoffs in points generated off his assists
Not to mention the two most important games of the series (Games 2 and 5) Luka had 32/6/9 and 35/7/10
@@pickaside look at the shooting splits in the Clippers series... Also look at the 3rd and 4th quarters where Kyrie had to go ballistic to get those wins. Put more respect on that defense give the credit to Kyrie, and to PJ for hitting a lot of big 3s. It's not just the Luka show
more john pls
56:40
I hate how drew gets when John gets on the show
Drew bitching over Josh Allen my gosh stfu
drew hates garland so much for no reason lmao. corny
John is back consistently now lfg love u john!!!!!!
I usually agree with Drew but you gotta take Josh Allen. If you pick Hurts you have to take a $5 OL with him to get the Hurts you want.
And what’s wrong with that, we saw burrow and mahomes two qbs ahead of him lose chips for not having a good oline.
Jalen hurts has a top 3 WR core, the very best OL and still lost the SB- QB matters
@@shaii5274 nothing.
dejounte murray is mid af lmao. could never lead a unit like garland
What has garland led?
@@joshhernandez7380 leading a trash cavs team to play in nearly playoffs
Joel is the only one spittin on the Cavs. completely right. we got 4 really good players individually but developmentally they were brought in ignoring our youth even tho thats what will last. we should trade don for Ingram and Hawkins and a pick then keep Allen and mobley for one more season with the towers. if not well trade Allen for kuminga and then have a lineup of garland, Hawkins, Ingram, kuminga, and Ingram. GOD SQUAD! people talk down on Cleveland to block their own light and potential. we have to have prove it but asset wise we are solid asf. go reread that starting 5 and tell me its not going to sweat nuggets or twovles in the next 3-5 years
Trading Donovan for Ingram would be S tier stupidity. Comparing the Cavs to the Nuggets or T-Wolves is disingenuous because those teams aren’t poorly constructed, they discovered Ant and Jokic (no one expected Jokic to be this good). Allen is gone, Mobley has shown he is capable of running the 5. A lineup that you mentioned would not be great. There isn’t a viable shooting threat there and the ceiling for that group wouldn’t be high. The two big lineups can’t necessarily co-exist anymore. And he wasn’t necessarily spitting because if Joel knew about the Cavs he would understand the roster construction is poor
@@seanrichards4316Hawkins is ray allen Ingram is mini kd and garland is mini lillard. I’ll take the shooting
@@charlesthompson5645those are all terrible comparisons n that might be the dumbest trade cause ingram is on a one year deal.. if it were garland for ingram then you’re cooking, Cavs need to do everything they can to keep Mitchell, I used to think Garland was up next but this year n last years playoffs really showed he doesn’t have much upside as a brittle 6’1 guard
@@TheMillionman9295look how long it took cj mcullom to get good. Had the same problem. He had to learn rhythm and pockets more extensively since he wasn’t the athlete other guards are. Garland will take time to get consistent all star appearances.
@@charlesthompson5645 CJ was good after 2 season? n you could attribute that to just more opportunity.. I just don’t see how Garland can get much better only improvement he can really make in his game is becoming a better playmaker can’t have the nickname DG the Pg n you got a 2:1 Assist/TO ratio he’s showed these past two years he struggles being an off ball player n he’s not the type of player that’s gonna carry you any where as the number one
WHERES RIV MAN HE THE HEART N SOUL
Going thru some personal stuff