Before seeing actual hotel footage: OMG this will be the best thing Disney ever done!!!! After seeing actual hotel footage: I rather stay at a value resort.
They really botched it when Disney Galaxy Edge and the Starcruiser on the Sequel Trilogy rather than the Original. Kathleen Kennedy self-insert as the Captain is super cringe.
As someone who designs escape rooms, the biggest flaw I see is that the sets look... bland. I once heard something that I absolutely agree with and that is your set design should be a character. It should look like is has a story of some sorts. Lucas himself believed in a "used future" and nothing in that video looked used. It looked like generic prop town. It has "Chapek Beige" written all over it. I also think they were going for that Eisner era bad actors vibe and... boy did they hit that mark too well.
Disney Imagineering are the ones that pioneered that concept that the set design, is itself a character and should be telling a story. This doesn’t look like something designed by Disney Imagineering. It looks like a shopping mall circa 1992.
Yes! It looks too new and clean for Star Wars. It feels more like a knock-off JJ Abrams Star Trek with those white corridors. It needs a bit more scuff to it, a bit more jank. It also needs extras that mingle with other guests as if there were alien passengers and not just staff. They also need those little mouse droids running about everywhere :p And the bridge really needed some sort of shaking effect added to it.
That pretty much sums up the design of all the newer Disney resorts of late. Riviera might be the most bland and tasteless looking resort I've ever seen.
“Don’t judge, we haven’t seen it yet.” - Incorrect. We just saw the best of the hotel. How do I know? Because a 25% loss in pre bookings would push ANY company (and their investors) to immediately release a more-detailed video of the best parts. No video was posted? I rest my case.
I kinda' feel schadenfreude at Disney's overpriced failures... I actually want Galactic Starcruiser and Genie+ and stuff to fail. I don't like Disney's pay more for less philosophy and pricing everyone out. They need to have it fail.
Everyone is waiting for Chapek's poor decisions to come back and bite him and his shareholders. Also don't underestimate Universal's recent string of successes and ever increasing popularity.
@@TrashBulldogProductions Genie + was actually great and i enjoyed my vacation more because of it. I get that it out prices people and that's unfortunate but disney is not a charity... it's a business at the end of the day. My only hope is the profits that are coming from Genie are re invested into the parks to bring them back to what they were pre-pandemic if not better.
@@wound5838 why yes, it IS insufferable to hear people gloat "I can afford to buy the time that Disney stole from you and sold to me, so I'm fine with Genie+." At least you're not telling me I just hate change, so that's nice.
they have it, it just also doubles as the designated smoking section and its out back by the dumpsters sewer grates and ac units, nothing says earth like those sweet smells and sounds.
As a trekkie, the design of the shared spaces feels much closer to my fanbase than Star Wars. My husband is a big SW fan and he loves how worn, mishmashed and 'on the fly' engineered everything feels. This hotel is missing the design mark and I'm surprised it got through so many creative directors to end up like this. Perhaps Disney has a 'yes man' problem they need to fix.
Agreed. The Star Wars universe is dirty, unless you're on an Imperial battle cruiser. Honestly, the hotel-other than the cheap appearance-reminds me more of Canto Bight and Rose's tirade regarding the sort of clientele that patronize the casino town.
Galaxy's Edge is amazing. So many rough lived in textures while still functioning as a practical theme park. I don't understand why they couldn't replicate that with the Galactic Starcruiser.
I think biggest thing for me being a Star Wars fan is I don't see Star Wars other than the lightsaber. The look and feel of this screams Star Trek or even generic si-fi theme. As someone said it looks like if Disney didn't have the full license to Star Wars and decided to make a hotel.
I turned my room as a kid into a Star Wars cockpit, out from cardboard-boxes and plywood, with assorted knobs and switches found in my dads garage. Considering I didn't have access to a Disney budget, I must say I did very well. If X-Wing, the game, had the todays graphics of Elite: Dangerous, I'd still be living in it.
Yeah, an CG and visual designer who worked on Star Wars staed that the biggest visual difference between Star Wars and Star Trek is one is a dystopia and the other is a utopia.
Honestly, maybe that's their plan. If Star Wars ever goes out of style, they won't have to do a huge retheme and can just make it a generic space hotel.
@@qwertywelch HAHAHA! You might be right. In case it bombs out they can swap it out with a "Space Mountain Hotel" sign. See, Disney is learning. They are building new stuff with easy retheming built into it!
Honestly it dosn't really look cheaply made to me. It's does however looks like something that wouldn't be fun for anyone who isn't an ultra diehard Star Wars fan.
@@TeamTowers1 I think the promos look cheap, the light saber training looks cheap, and it does not have a start wars "feel". It feels more star trek than star wars. I really hope I'm wrong when we get to see how it turns out.
@@chelseaoocandy I just don't see what everyone else sees in that regard. The scenery dosn't look all that cheap to me. As for looking more like Star Trek. The grungy look of Star Wars tends to be exaggerated by people. Even in the original trilogy Tatooine and the Flacon were the only things that really had that look.
Like just take an outdated cruse ship they have Retrofit it to look like a starship Pannals And screens allover the place to look like space and hyperspace When they dock They are on a planet space port And theme the area like a theme park Idk Just feels better experience. No need to role play no need to shoe horn in the lore You are an average citizen on a cruise Republic senators Buisnessmen cartel bank rollers 1st order high officers Just on vacation Set it just before episode 7 Where's it's relatively peaceful Idk
The size of the hotel property says all you need to know about this project. It’s tiny and has bob cheapskate written all over it. Based on the concept art WDI had massive plans for this thing that (just like galaxy’s edge) was budget cut and corner cut and eventually given the “well our guests are gullible so let’s just talk it up a bunch and they’ll come anyways” approval. I think this hotel will fail and I hope what happens is the Disney board will point the blame squarely where it belongs - at bob cheapskate and not at WDI. Then put in a CEO who actually cares about quality and guests and do the long and expensive job of righting all the wrong imposed since cheapskate took over the parks years ago.
Disney is never going to do well with a one CEO over everything model. There is just far too much stuff and the company is just far too large. That's the biggest issue they have, they try to cram everything in and let people who have absolutely no clue run things.
How would this just be Bob’s fault? WDI gave him the reigns. They liked his vision for the park enough to give him the power. There’s always more than enough blame to go round.
@@shenanitims4006 WDI doesn’t have autonomy. Bob is their boss and if he says this is your budget or I don’t like this or cut this and that, it’s cut changed and reworked. WDI is loosing imagineers in droves right now because they don’t have creative freedom anymore. It’s been taken by….. drum roll please……. Bob.
I feel like the issue is the price point. Imagine the per person rate was half the price. Yeah still expensive, but maybe more doable and "worth it" for the average person for what you are realistically getting. If Disney doesn't provide top-tier, once in a lifetime experiences and people have to lower their expectations, then the rates must also drop accordingly, or else they will have a half-empty starcruiser lol
Honestly my impression of the higher rates of not just gs but also the rest of Disney world is that Disney is trying to move along the supply line and have lower turnout due to pricing people out but still be making a ludicrous amount of money. Plus I think they would love to not need to have as much staff on hand. But because people are sucking it up and paying the higher rates, Disney just sees it as a win anyway, and I think they’re just gonna keep making the rates go up to see how far they can take it.
@@madelynelise8956 Absolutely agree. Attendance at the parks has gone bonkers. The parks are really too crowded to the point they really need a new park for people to go to in Florida just to take some of the crowds. They seem to be trying to cut attendance by raising the price on everything until they have to cash flow to start being real Disney again and going back to the Disney that hit home runs with every tiny detail.
If they don't raise the prices, the parks will continue to be crowded. If they don't increase the quality of the attractions, people will stop paying those high prices. It has to get worse before it gets better. Every Disneyland is a tourist attraction that people come from all over the world to visit. They pay the high prices. So you have locals and visitors all competing for the same space. It sucks. It really does. I'm one of the people priced out. While I could save up, I'm also disdainful of Disney for their politics, spiteful words towards customers, and drop in quality. So it's like why would I trade my hard earned money to a company that hates me in return for a poor experience?
@@BungieStudios I'm in the same boat as you. I've never been to Disneyland simply because the cost is too astronomical to me and my family. Raising prices and excluding people doesn't really foster great feelings towards Disney and the people who gloat about being able to afford the most expensive of these attractions. It feels like Disneyland and Star Wars are no longer welcoming to the average person and the only ones who get to play are the wealthy. As such, being a Star Wars fan since 1977 when I saw it opening night in a drive in, I kind of resent Disney taking something so amazing and keeping it only to those who are willing or able to pay the piper.
I've always said people only pay the outrages prices at Disney because it's supposed to be the best you can get in the world. This comes out and shows pretty low quality, and what do you know? People start canceling.
It has always given me a claustrophobic feel with fake windows. I prefer walking around in Batuu and staying at a hotel with a window for a whole lot less, personally.
That was exactly my thoughts. I'd feel so claustrophobic staying somewhere without actual windows for days. Even looking at the promo clips, idk why but it seems like the air just wouldn't feel fresh in there. Edit- someone farther down mentioned DisneyQuest, and now I know why I feel like the air wouldn't be fresh here. It absolutely reminds me of the feel of DisneyQuest. I remember getting so sick when I went there, I went on that build your own virtual coaster pod thing and got really really motion sick, and then couldn't play or do anything after that because looking at the screens made me even sicker, and the whole time I just wanted to leave because I felt like the air was stale and not refreshing and I was too hot and I just needed to be outside and see the actual sky. Tbh I think I was kind of having a panic attack. I was SO relieved when we finally left, I was still nauseous but I instantly felt so much better even in the humid Florida air. This hotel is just reminding me of that.
@@RaeAnn_1202 Yeah I edited my comment with this specific example because another comment helped me put my finger on it - but it reminds me of how I felt in DisneyQuest. Except I'd be stuck there for a couple days, feeling like I'm breathing stale air and just wanting to see some natural light, instead of a couple hours. This was never going to be the right hotel experience for me (unless the imagineers could've worked some of their magic and made it feel more open and natural despite the space setting), but even more so at that price point, and with this specific design that makes it feel even more suffocating.
The part I'm having trouble with is this: You go to Florida, it's sunny, warm, the views are halfway decent. You're going to spend two nights living in what is basically a submarine of a hotel, totally cut off from the outside world? Do you have to endure the theming of the shuttle or elevator or whatever even if you just want to pop back out to the car to grab Johnny's inhaler? I mean, how immersive is it? Are you basically locked in there? It all just seems to fly in the face of basic, practical issues that exist when you're on vacation at a hotel.
Just my two cents... But this isn't a vacation hotel as much as an immersive larp. You know the rules before entering, so I'm sure they'll let you run to get Johnny's inhaler, but you'll be breaking everybody's fun doing so.
This basically. My other issue is that most guests who stay at a Disney resort are also people who have the intent on going to the parks as well. I feel like in order for you to get your money's worth out of this, if it is as immersive as they say it is, you'd have to hole yourself up in there and stay for basically an entire week. I feel like the resorts were built on the idea that you can take a break away from the park without having to leave the park. But at THIS hotel, the park never stops so it just keeps going and going. I get that the hotel is probably for hardcore Star Wars fans or for kids who are big Star Wars fans, but how long until the fantasy ends?
@@bladewolf39 That's easy. The fantasy ends in two days, which is the exact time you have to get your money's worth. It's a closed experience. The whole routine of launching into orbit, having your galactic vacation, having a little stop at Galaxy's edge, being boarded by the first order, solving the situation, and returning to your home planet takes this two days. Each scene is scheduled at certain hours and you get some free time to roam around the ship or landing on Batuu in the middle. I feel you're thinking about Galactic Starcruiser as some sort of hotel, but it's actually closer to a sleepover scape room
@@MikaelBCN Pepole dont go to disney for a 2-day escape room...they go to disney for disney. This concept is flawed, overpriced, and in the wrong location. I suspect its going to fail hard
My question is, who in their right minds behind this though the decisions being made were the right call? I ask this because MANY people would have had to sign off on everything that went into this, from how big/small it was, to the food, events, room design, and most of all, cost. It's like they completely ignored the one audience who'd actually be okay spending a decent amount of money for a SWs experience and geared this towards an audience who'd probably spend that amount traveling to tropical resorts for a week.
Disney has been so out of touch with their acquired IPs in the last 10 years. Can’t they just find some huge Star Wars neckbeard online and have them call all of the design decisions? This hotel doesn’t even look like Star Wars just as Galaxy’s Edge doesn’t look like a Star Wars land
I think they should’ve had the immersion of the hotel set on one of the Star Wars planets and not directly in space. Guests are usually more focused on relaxation, rather than all the bells and whistles of the immersion. So if it was set on a planet, some guests can role with the theming and some can chill with more usual resort like scenery and amenities.
Unlike Star Trek, Space in Star Wars is for getting from A-Z and even Star fighter battles happen more and more on actual planets. Star Trek is the one where 90% of the episodes are in space.
I see a lot of problems people haven't thought of. • Housekeeping issues • For that much money I can never look out a window. • What about families that want to see the sites around town on their once in a five year trip. Oh yea, you can't do that. • I smoke. Where do I go? • Medical emergency. Ambulance comes. That would ruin it for others. • Can I shut off the ships humming sound otherwise I'll never sleep at night. • I probably can't go get outside food. As you can see this whole thing would only work for the die hard die hard fan. It's not practical at all.
If there's a fire in the hallway but all of the windows are screens how the HELL are guests getting out of the building? How are they following building code for hotels?
I think it does. Particularly the prequel aesthetic. I imagine that was the best option they had to go with since the resort would’ve looked low-grade if they tried going for that gritty junky look of the OG trilogy.
@Geoffrey Richards Ehhhh.. no. The prequels had some pretty great settings like Mustfar and the Senate room. Here, the lighting is wonky, there’s not enough detail, and everything looks like cheap plastic. It probably would’ve worked for the better if they had gone with the OG trilogy look, as that is part of what gave the setting its charm. The fact that things on set looked used, the lighting was unique, and, although it didn’t look quite as expensive, it matched the “Intergalactic federation/rebellion” vibe. The actual problem here is that the people designing this stuff have no idea what they’re doing, and the management takes a look at the clear problem and puts on the “this is great” dunce hat.
"... and the response was overwhelmingly positive" yeah, and if someone asked me "would you like to go spend a week on a tropical island that's all inclusive, your bungalo overlooking the coral reefs that are filled with fish, and even if you don't want to jump in the ocean you can walk down stairs and actually have a window into the ocean to see the fish and corals?" I would say "OH HELL YES!!!!" ... great for just $15,000 for the week you can have that, wait what? I have a feeling that's exactly what happened here, "would you like to have this?" and of course people would say yes. Don't tell them about the price, the feasibility of making it happen as envisioned, and people will go all in in saying that they want it.
That's 100% what it is. I work in market research, and every time we pitch a new product, we get respondent feedback on the concept in general (without the price), then we ask them how much they would price it, then we ask how they feel about the actual price that might be charged for this new product Thats the best way to understand if people are willing to pay for your product, and if not the price you want to set, but at least a price that is close to what they feel comfortable with
Honestly from the start I was kinda pessimistic about it bc to me it just looked like a multi-thousand dollar LARP-ing facility. Now it reminds me of DisneyQuest kinda, but it still remains to be seen.
Except you can't really ' larp' at it....as it forces you to be a civilian bystander...cause you I soooo want to be a bystander that can't really do things...you wanna print money Disney? Let us shoot stormtroopers like we all dreamed about
IMO Galaxies Edge is just a generic space themed shopping mall and food court with a couple of simulator rides. The Galactic Starcruiser looks like another generic space themed attraction to me. I really hope that Disney Parks goes back to the drawing board and adds elements from every Star Wars movie to all of their attractions. Their current approach doesn't make me want to visit their park's.
The Starcruiser is Austenland for Star Wars fans... but I picture Star Wars Universe luxury being plush and lush with velvets, and rich colors. They made the rooms look like the guest quarters on the Starship Enterprise, a minimalist military envoy ship in a society w/o a class system... It looks cool, just a bit off as far as story and interaction
It looks like it would fit in with Space Mountain, not Star Wars. In my mind, nobody wants to spend time on a cruise in space in Star Wars. Space is boring in Star Wars. It reminds me of taking a trip in a van to visit new places. Going to space is like getting on the freeway or taking a flight at the very most. The luxury comes from visiting new planets. Hence Star Tours.
At these absolutely crazy prices there are only two groups who could be interested in a 'Star Wars themed' hotel - Corporate types who aren't spending their own money, and uber-fans who want to do some live action role playing. Neither group will regard this half-assed excuse for a Star Wars themed hotel as anywhere near good enough. Disney can't rely on families because it's way too expensive and because of what they did there are no children interested in Star Wars to 'blackmail' parents in to ponying up to dough.
I am a huge Star Wars fan. So is my fiancé. Like nerds to the core. We are getting married, having a Star Wars themed wedding. We plan on having our honeymoon at WDW. I can tell you that we won’t touch this place with a 10ft pole. It is not Star Wars, any way they try to slice it. Would I pay those bucks if you told me Vader was gonna have a hallway scene and come chop the table in half? Absolutely! As it stands, heck no!
Reading through the itinerary, it's not terribly enticing. There doesn't seem to be a lot to do the first day, and the third day is basically eat breakfast and get out. It just seems a lot of money for what you're getting, and the poor design is not helping.
1) Thank you for mentioning the Tower Of Terror original concept, people always argue with me when I tell them this. 2) I'll never understand why Universal didnt actually make a Bates Motel you can stay in. Do it as a budget motel to match the film decor. Id love that! 3) Re this space fiasco, I think they greatly overestimated the number of people willing to pay for a fully immersive multi-day experience.
I don't think they overestimated considering the hotel was booked solid for the first three months. Now, there are lots of openings as people who put down deposits are canceling.
@@dashkatae as an idea its great, but sooner or later you need to show the goods. What they are showing is sub par and they are facing the consequences of that
@@blktauna Completely agree. When all that has been shown is two areas of the ship and everything else is concept art, something is wrong. You don't have to ruin the experience by showing too much but the marketing is so bad in this that people are really not willing to shell out such a large amount of money on just the hopes and dreams that this is amazing.
To be fair, why WOULD you stay at even a fake Bates Motel? I know it's fake but my anxiety would be on overdrive in case they start doing an in-room play and I don't fancy getting up at 4am to go to the loo just to see someone standing in the shower.
I am going to book a room and when I arrive to check in I will wave my hand in a very subtle manner and say "You don't need to charge me thousands of dollars to stay here. These aren't the droids you are looking for." And when they charge me anyways - sue for blatant false advertising for failing to be immersive!
I think the thing that sticks out more than anything to me is it's not really very Star Wars. Star Wars has a very specific aesthetic. I think George Lucas originally described it as a "Used and ancient future". The films for the most part have kept this aesthetic intact, there aren't really any major star wars films that don't feel star wars-y in design. It's lacking that edge, that patina. Slap star trek uniforms on everyone and it would feel right at home. Honestly, I think the mistake they made there was trying to do luxury star cruiser, something that isn't really very star wars. Maybe style it as a hotel on Coruscant, or Naboo, or Cloud City or something. Ground it in another world, rather than in space. I know this might be a contentious point, but for me Star Wars happens on planets, not in space. Tatooine, Hoth, Endor, Dagobah, Alderaan, Jakku, Mustafar, Coruscant, Naboo, or even the Death Star. The most memorable moments of the franchise all happen on the cool worlds they visit, and *that's* what Star Wars is. I also think the concept would've felt a lot better if the experience was just a little rougher. The bits people love about Star Wars aren't the pristine utopia of Star Trek, it's the grunge. Tatooine is basically the centre of the universe with how much it's used, and it's a horrible desert full of crime. If I could stay at an experience that put me in a "luxury" tatooine resort, it would be inifnitely more interesting to me. Have it set mid empire, so you'd occasionally see high ranking empire officials staying there. Have a few different restaurants, some nice for the elite in the galaxy, some where the shadier characters would hang around. I don't think it's the tackiness that's turning me off it in the released promotional material, I definitely think it's aesthetic through and through. It's too nice, and to me it misses the mark on what the star wars aesthetic is, which is actually something that Galaxy's Edge nails, and honestly is a lot better in the concept art.
I had the same thought recently! I thought to myself a hotel set on a planet we have seen in Star Wars already would be a cooler experience and be less restrictive than a space cruise. I don't have any faith in modern Disney anymore after so many lackluster projects and this is no exception. I really hope there is a management shakeup within Disney and we get people who actually understand the parks experience. Modern Disney is 100% lasered in on making their movies / shows for Disney+ and profiting off of that. And it's a business, it makes sense to work on what's earning revenue, but I would rather they just took that money and sat on it rather than have current management attempt to add to / change things in the parks while they constantly slash budgets and produce products unworthy of the Disney Parks status. I haven't been to Galaxy's Edge yet but the last thing Disney has created that impressed me was Pandora. I feel bad for Imagineers who probably have amazing concepts and ideas that they pitch that they have to butcher due to cost cutting since the bean counters of the company don't see rides generating revenue the same way more shops and restaurants do.
Well said, with the success of Mando you’d think that they’d let Feloni & Co pick the overall design aesthetic since they’re the ones who seem to be somehow saving SW.
The quality of the experience looks so cheap. In marketing, it’s common practice to showcase the best aspects of the product. Many marketeers go to the point of embellishing how great the product is. That’s clearly what Disney is doing with the over acting in the commercials.... what’s concerning is the product features they keep showing looks cheap and like an off brand version of Star Wars.
This is a marketing nightmare. Like, they showed only two places, the bridge being the one you see the most and it doesn't feel star wars at all and a little of the bar area. Everything else shown in the marketing was artist concepts. I would be hesitant about booking into something that they aren't fully showing off. Like, show a cabin where you would be staying to build hype, show the dining area, something.
It still looks cool, but I’m waiting to find out if it’s $5-$6K cool. My biggest issue is that the “Multi-day” is really only a day and a half. Less if you account for the Batuu “excursion”.
I get the impression that the pandemic caused a budget crunch just as the hotel was reaching it's decorating phase. And I think a lot of people made reservations out of anxiety that they wouldn't get in only to reconsider their actions later. For the price of the Starcruiser (or should that be the Magic Jedi?) you could go on two or three Disney cruises.
I think that's the highly possiblity as to why. The company did suffer a massive blow during the shut down and I don't entirely blame them cause we all had to handle it in our own ways but how they're marketing this "one of kind" experience they want to achieve it's really not looking too good at the moment.
Doubtful. While the pandemic hurt budgets it shouldn't have hurt the hotel as the money should have been already allocated to the project back when it was announced 4 years ago. The thing that changed was Cheapek was put in as CEO and ever since he has, he has slashed the budget of everything.
I guess the aesthetics are a bit of a double-edged sword when it comes to creating an authentic Star Wars resort experience. The cleanlier streamlined sci-fi look of the prequel era suits a luxury hotel far better than that gritty junky aesthetic of the OG trilogy, but they’re really difficult to make it look convincing because of how minimalist the sets are.
People will pay a premium price for a premium experience. This looks nothing like that. Also, what is the deal with Disney’s insistence on ignoring the original trilogy era? You know, the movies that made Star Wars a phenomenon in the first place.
It is a long and tangled tale, and paying lucas royalties is only a part of why. The primary issue is kathleen kennedy and her woke identity politics and her absolute determination to re-make SW into a ideological platform and not caring a whit for profitability. And Disney cannot simply fire her. The PR hit they would take for firing the highest ranked woman in hollywood would be catastrophic, and she has threated to burn disney down on her way out if Chapek does. The channel Midnight's Edge has covered it to a massive degree.
@@norricdaoc8746 Man cut the woke shit out. This is not 2016. Kennedy’s Star Wars is ass but having a female main character and a purple haired character in one movie doesn’t make you an ideological Puritan.
@@nickg5341 I assure you she has done far, far more than that. She has forced out at least half of the old Lucasfilm employees and hired only activist types who march to the "diversity" tune, who only care about pushing their message, not making good product. Ever see her in that promotional picture with "The Force is Female" shirts ? That was VERY intentional on her part. For Gods sake she even tried to kill The Mandalorian ! Why, because it had a male in the lead, and was far more popular than her shit product. Midnight's Edge has been following everything happening inside Lucasfilm for years with inside sources, and this is not a anti-woke empty claim. She is an activist, Rey is her self-insert who is the perfect Mary-Sue. All male characters have been pushed to supporting characters. And have you heard the leaks on the Indiana Jones movie !? Some stupid time travel garbage where in the end all the Indiana Jones moves get retconned to the female costar actually did them and was the real indiana all along !... pure awfulness. You have to look at everything she has been doing since Lucas appointed her, not just 2 items, both of which do show her activist mentality quite clearly.
As someone who has been watching, consuming, and being a fan of theme park media analysis on TH-cam - I love seeing stuff like DefunctLand’s videos on failed park/resort experiences and honestly… I’m so hyped to see something big like this fail in my own life time
Disney’s FAILURE to make good Star Wars films (except Rogue One, which was good) and now, their failure with this hotel, shows that they don’t understand the Star Wars universe or the fans.
@@rickpontificates3406 Look we should give Disney crap for the things they do wrong with the franchise. but we can't just turn around and say the things they did right don't count. I'll admit part of the reason I'm not as mad as the die hards when it comes to Disney's Star Wars, is that I kind of fell out of love with the original trilogy overtime and I kind of already hated Star Wars fans since long before Disney bought the brand.
My only opinion on this is that designing a hotel with no windows (no visible ones at least) in the middle of a pandemic of an airborne disease seems like a really, really, really bad idea
I always thought it’s a bad idea because who’s gonna wanna stay in there the whole time when you have the parks right around? it would work better as a cruise ship.
one of the issues i've realized is that in making that promo with the kid, is that they need to light it for tv. which possibly takes away from the set lighting in the hotel. it may not seem like much, but it can make a huge difference.
Hoo boy. I had a short career in an immersive experience. It is very hard coping with guests that don’t want to follow the rules etc and every night we had between 2-5 percent of patrons just opting out based on exhaustion or disinterest…and we were just a three to four hour evening! This does NOT scale well to a resort, all of this screams red flags at my immersive professional brain. Yikes.
I think an interactive hotel of this magnitude doesn't really make sense. After a day, walking, riding, and eating at a theme park, the hotel would be to go to relax and somewhat get back in touch with reality.
yeah but the thing is that it's NOT a hotel to experience the parks with, its marketed as its own separate trip that has galaxy's edge tossed in as a bonus, honestly given the price i rather go to a nice hotel where i can experience ALL the parks instead of just 1/5 of Hollywood studios with larp tossed in
From everything I’ve read…most of what you’re paying is all the performers that are dressing up and going to help create the immersion. Although looking at the size of the place I don’t know how many performers they can actually fit in there with all the guests.
“A bigger budget”. You hit the nail on the head. This is a continuation of the problem Disney parks have had for over a decade now: taking ambitious ideas and trying to do them on the cheap, so as to maximize profit and basically rip off the park goers. Promise filet mignon and give them bologna
Pretty nifty for a concrete bunker. It makes me want to build a tubular container into a submarine simulator. -Won't need any expensive LED-windows, just some fellow throwing firecrackers at the hull in a timely manner.
There’s several things wrong with it. Immersion isn’t complete. Cosplay costumes are not included with price. Guests can wear street clothes. Nothing in Starcruiser to explore on your own. Itinerary consists of a series of workshops on a tight schedule. Food looks lame. Characters look hideous with purple and blue makeup. That’s not Star Wars.
The main reason why the Tron ride is still under construction is because of the pandemic and the conditions and situations related to it.... if there was no pandemic, the ride would of finished construction by now
Put a spaceship themed hotel someplace cold and crappy, not Florida! They should have made it like visiting a warm tropical Star Wars themed planet hotel or something. Then it could just been an upscale hotel with upscale hotel amenities, a Star Wars theme, all in actually warm and sunny Florida. Then all they have to do is make sure the sight lines don't show the rest of the WDW resort and bam, you're on a new planet. Make a joke that weather appears to be the same on planet X as Florida to every other guest after they step off their transport ship if they need that old Disney humor
The thing about Galactic Starcruiser is that I just think it's too much. I was really excited about a Star Wars themed hotel and just thought it would be fun to have a place to sleep like I'm in Star Wars. That's really it. When my parents took me as a kid we stayed at the All Star Sports resort and the French Quarter Port Orleans hotel (I think) the 2nd time I went. And I really don't remember them that much. It was the place tired little kid me went to go sleep after running around Disney World for an entire day and then woke up and got on a bus to go do the same thing again. That's what hotel rooms really are for. I don't need a cruise ship experience. Give me a place to sleep and a pool (I don't think I would even bother using the pool since I would be wanting to go run around Disney World/Land until I'm way too tired to do so but it's nice to have just in case) and that's good for me. It's going to be interesting to see what comes of this but with the impressions I have I'm not ever going to stay there. I can't afford the experience even if I wanted to but that's something else.
I can already picture a couple of people Disney may choose to invite and give their "review" on it. It could most likely be more favorable towards the hotel and very few critiques on certain things that could be important or impactful for a stay there. :(
Yes it’s difficult to know these days who is “in pocket”. There are lots of Disney super fans with SM channels and handles that will do anything to praise Disney for media invites and the special treatment. It totally skews their posts.
The interior architecture of the place just looks underwhelming, especially the corridor and the "bridge" set. From the concept artwork, people would have expected something on the level of a movie set or even just a Galaxy's Edge queue, and it's not there. It's too obviously a mundane building with some incidental props and styling. Now, there could be all sorts of reasonable reasons for that (safety/liability/building codes being an obvious one), but if they can't manage it, they can't manage it and the whole thing is just misconceived.
This is why I've cancelled my annual passholder and I'm now an AP at Universal, if Disney wants to do this stuff, I'll just give their competitors money
Hell, I can see problems with the concept art shown at 5:18. The guy sitting down practically in the center of the shot. See what’s wrong with him? They’’re pitching a vacation package for the wanna-be upper class, and that guy (whom I assume signifies a guest), is sitting there detached from the immersion on his laptop. Their conceptual marks are bored in their branding. And am I the only one bothered by the “every window is a space window” promise? Wow, I can pay $6,000 to live in an LED-lit cave for a weekend. I get antsy if I’m out of the sun for a day, let alone away from the sun and unable to even see it. Is “hotel lag” a thing? Because Disney might be on their way to creating it.
After seeing this video I am so excited about taking another trip to Florida. Being able to fly through the air, see all the great characters, and enjoy a themed immersive experience... my trip on the Skyliner is going to be the best! I can't wait!
@@megsley I think you missed the joke. I made it sound like I was talking about the Starcruiser but in fact I was talking about the skyliner gondolas. It's the old switcheroo.
The thing that gets me the most is that they pitched “live like you’re in Star Wars for a couple days” but decided to make the rooms themed to the vibes of Star Wars characters, rather than actual rooms in Star Wars would look like. The BB-8 themed room would be great if I’m staying at Disney’s All Star Star Wars or something, but if I want to pretend I’m in Star Wars I don’t want to stay in a brightly lit, Star Trek looking BB-8 room. Sure, we can pin some of the lackluster looks (for instance, there’s bare hotel ceilings everywhere when I’ve seen personally in the Millennium Falcon ride that they can do realistic Star Wars ceilings) on covid budget or something, but you can’t blame the entire idea of those rooms on it lol It’s endemic of the bigger problem, which is that they bought all these IPs and don’t really understand what people like about them. They know we have wallets and clap when we see characters from our childhoods but haven’t figured out why we do. Dallin put it best when he mashed up the reviewer of the hotel with the Space 220 footage- Star Wars is famous for its unique looks, and deviating from it drops you right into generic sci-fi.
The main problem is that it really doesn't have that look or feel of Star Wars. Everything feels like off-brand Star Wars from what they've shown. It looks nothing like the high dollar experience they want people to pay for.
That's kinda what I was thinking. It feels more like Battlestar Galactica than Star Wars. Maybe if it featured more recognizable and iconic characters or maybe an exclusive opportunity to interact with Mando and Baby Yoda? I dunno. It's very hard for me to hate anything Star Wars. Very VERY hard. I even enjoyed the sequel trilogy. But, maaaaaaaaan, I dunno what it is about this attraction that just seems off to me.
they’re marketing to people this Canto Bight experience, rich and fancy stuff, not realizing most people’s star wars interests (fantasy) are the more gritty common people things. Also they’re grossly overestimating the common nerds desire/ability to spend lots of money to LARP for 2ish days.
Exactly! If my husband and I saved up that much money we’d spend it going to see his uncle, aunt and cousins in Hawaii (his uncle is a US Park Ranger/Guide) or some of my sisters and other family members of his or use it for something else. We’re not rich and, if I remember correctly, children have to be above a certain age to come and we have an almost three year old that we’re not going to leave with family for two days and nights to ‘role play’. If we were going to WDW we would choose a cheaper experience that everyone could enjoy and not just two people. I’d want to see my son’s reaction to meeting his favorite characters and not hear about it second hand and see pictures/video of it.
A lot of nerds have serious money. Senior software engineers make $300k. A lot of people like that also don't drink, socialise, drive fancy take care of their appearance or travel internationally for fun. Many of them even live with their parents right into their 30s. They have money burning a hole in their pocket.
@@robertoceferino1456 yes i’m sure all the nerds who dont drink or socialize want to spend lots of money to stay in a double occupancy glorified bar with some extra buttons that make the screens go whooosh
@@alilshellphish Well of course they don't. No one does. They want to stay in the place this could have been. They want to escape their sad lives and pretend they're in Star Wars, and if this place actually managed to pull off that illusion they'd reach into their pockets for sure.
The biggest shame is the most heartfelt and amazing part of this is the immersion roll playing aspect. And knowing Disney, that will be the first thing cut. The soul of the experience is that and the first ones to get dropped are all the amazing performers. Makes me really depressed.
12:26 "Can Disney right this ship before they open?" Uh... no. The concept itself is flawed. They're going to have to re-tool the entire thing to turn it into, like he said, a Star Wars themed Disney resort.
I honey think that even well executed this whole project is a mistake. A fully immersive hotel experience sounds great, and if anyone can do it it's Disney, but I don't think it belongs in Disney World. It needs to be it's own location, because regular parkgoers aren't going to be forking out time and time again to stay there, and your average guest is really just there for the parks. What's the point of creating a completely immersive multi-day experience if all your guests are just using the hotel as a place to sleep?
It's not one of a kind, the National Flight Academy in Pensacola, FL has been doing the "multi-day cruise" idea for kids for close to 10 years now. Pretty cool stuff if you look it up, and they didn't come from a giant corporation either. Edit: My tone is probably confusing, I don't hate the idea, it's something that's probably magical to children and in theory is pretty cool. My thoughts are that this is going to be a failure, interesting idea, but with all the price gouging going on now I can't be convinced that it's otherwise doomed. I think maybe if they can turn it into a less expensive "extended dinner/lunch activity" that spans a few hours or maybe even a full workday shift, it might persist. TL;DR: I think it's gonna fail, unless it becomes an indoor park Edit 2: After thinking about how it could succeed as an indoor park, holy sh*t is this the rebirth of Disney Quest? Will they end up setting up stuff like this in all major US cities?
So, the company owns one of the best run cruise lines in the industry can’t talk to them on how run a cruise? Which is the only real good thing Disney has done ever.
It doesn't even LOOK like Star Wars ! The design actually looks like someone explained star wars to a architect who never saw any of the movies, and he then went on that description to make.. low grade dogsh#t. For a family of 4 it is $6.000 to spend a day and a half.. not 2 days, in a low quality ride, with a TINY little room that is less than you get at a $200 motor lodge room. OMG I cannot wait for the first actual guest reviews to come out, not the shills but real people that disney does not have hooks into. It will be devastating, and disney will deserve the financial disaster it is bringing onto itself.
"Everything is very Star Wars-y" Except it's NOT. It looks more like a Star Trek rip-off. It's going to be a massive flop. Because Disney just doesn't learn. And with Bob Cheap-ek in charge, counting all the coins, all we'll see is them cutting costs in more places. Disney needs a massive cleansing of the company. Pretty much all its leadership teams, from the Board of Directors to the managing directors of its sub-divisions need to be sacked. The company has become completely cancerous and it ruins everything it touches.
I feel like the main issue with both of the Star Wars things in the Disney Resorts is that Bob Cheapek (and yes, I did mean to spell it that way) doesn't understand that you need to spend money to make money. He keeps slashing budgets (sometimes right in the middle of construction), cutting back on entertainment, and all around taking the cheaper route because he actually believes that, much like designer clothes and handbags, the name alone is enough to get people to sell their firstborn to afford the product he's selling. Except all he's doing is damaging the Disney brand by repeatedly putting out a product that is sub-par with what we've come to expect from Disney. A Disney vacation went from the top of the line most amazing thing you've ever done to something only the top 1% can afford that somehow still looks barely a step up from a bargain bin theme park vacation. At this point, the only thing saving the theme parks are all the things that came before that show the level of craftsmanship and innovation that we came to expect from the company. I'm not holding out much hope for the future of the Disney parks if they stay on their current path of money over quality. And I say this as someone who's entire bedroom is Haunted Mansion themed and who's happy place is the theme parks. I'm almost considering going to Universal again, and their parks contributed to the decline of my mental health by causing me to develop another PTSD trigger. THAT is how bad the Disney parks are getting. I would rather risk a PTSD attack than see whatever new stuff Disney has to offer.
@@NordicDan Here's the thing: I'm actually not a fan of Star Wars at all so I have zero clue about any of that stuff. I'm just a major fan of the parks. And looking at the state of the US Disney parks compared to the Asian ones (which he doesn't have any control over) I have to say I am not a fan. I wouldn't be shocked if the company winds up in some kind of trouble again while he's the CEO. He has the worst judgement I have ever seen for someone to be at that high of a position in the entertainment industry (and I grew up being the third gen in my family to be involved in the industry) and I genuinely have zero clue how he managed to con his way that high up the ladder. I feel like even I would be a better CEO than he would, and I'm a staunch anti-capitalist.
@@jeremyfuster7570 Exactly! I feel like Chapek doesn't ACTUALLY care about Disney or the parks and only cares about how much money he can add to his bank account. At least with Iger he tried to look like he cared, even if he didn't. Chapek doesn't even try. And it's starting to show. And I hate to say it, but it's kind of ruining the parks for me a little bit. Like I said, I am genuinely planning to go back to Universal when they open the Super Mario Land out here in Cali in a couple years despite my very negative experience the last time I went because what I've seen both in the Japan park as well as the bits of construction progress we've seen has me super optimistic about how amazing it's going to be! I don't feel that at all from all the new Disney additions. If anything, the latest addition here is dampening my love of Disney even more because I can't walk through Avengers Campus without having a sensory meltdown from all the mechanical whirring noises.
You think Disney will drop the price if Galactic Starcruiser bites the big one? Disney NEVER lowers the price of anything. Even if they do drop the "cruise in space" charade and puts in a pool and a couple of restaurants, they'll be charging $3000/day for a family four to stay there. The suits that make those decisions make more than that per week, so they couldn't give a rat's hairy ass if us peasants can afford it. It's not FOR us, after all. I get the feeling that this whole thing was really designed to stroke Ann Johnson's ego.
Disney have a real problem getting the look and tone of Star Wars. They nail it when the work is coming from pre-buyout staff but left to their own devices they really don't seem to get it and it shows in some the bizarre choices they've made, both on screen and in the parks. The best comparison is the infamous Holiday Special, one of the earliest cases of people who didn't understand Star Wars trying to add to it. Star Wars is unique in that whilst every other sci fi franchise has to retcon and update the visuals of earlier instalments, that circa 1977 imagery and audio still feels immersive and credible. Disney really need to understand this instead of arrogantly throwing out a mish mash of sci fi cliches and calling it Star Wars.
Also don't blame the acting. Peter O'Toole and Katharine Hepburn could have starred in the preview and people would have said, "Great acting but the hotel still doesn't look like Star Wars."
As long as Bob Cheap-ass is in charge you gonna see the cuts in everything. Could have been amazing, looks like a budget 90's All-star resort. And it's going to be worse than it looks. Bob needs to go.
The lighting design would be the best thing to tweak. It looks too well lit and ends up photographing like a set or something you might see at a chuck-e-cheese playground. There's a lot of work they could do with the interiors to make it look more like something out of Star Wars and not a paintball arena.
Okay wait....do you have to take that overblown motion-sim elevator every time you want to leave the hotel to visit the parks? Or is the point that you stay there the whole time?
I still want to love it, and I think I knew it would be expensive but it just feels like they overpriced it a lot, making it impossible for me to even go. I think I'm just disappointed because, as you said, they may lower the price eventually but by also cutting things, and that's not the experience I was looking forward to.
As of 1/6/22, Disney hasn't failed, but they sure are failing. It's almost like they did a lot of warmups and exercising, but forgot to practice for the game. So the Game is here, and they aren't ready, but hope being "in shape" is good enough.
Before seeing actual hotel footage: OMG this will be the best thing Disney ever done!!!! After seeing actual hotel footage: I rather stay at a value resort.
This was most people
Imma book a stay at all star sports for march first to third instead of the starcruiser….
Honestly Id rather die.
At universal.
After seeing value resorts at 200/night for a glorified motel 6 room with oversized tennis rackets outside: I'd rather go to universal.
They really botched it when Disney Galaxy Edge and the Starcruiser on the Sequel Trilogy rather than the Original. Kathleen Kennedy self-insert as the Captain is super cringe.
As someone who designs escape rooms, the biggest flaw I see is that the sets look... bland. I once heard something that I absolutely agree with and that is your set design should be a character. It should look like is has a story of some sorts. Lucas himself believed in a "used future" and nothing in that video looked used. It looked like generic prop town. It has "Chapek Beige" written all over it.
I also think they were going for that Eisner era bad actors vibe and... boy did they hit that mark too well.
as someone who has worked at escape rooms - you're so right. you are so right. also thank u for doing the work you do lol
Disney Imagineering are the ones that pioneered that concept that the set design, is itself a character and should be telling a story. This doesn’t look like something designed by Disney Imagineering. It looks like a shopping mall circa 1992.
Yes! It looks too new and clean for Star Wars. It feels more like a knock-off JJ Abrams Star Trek with those white corridors. It needs a bit more scuff to it, a bit more jank. It also needs extras that mingle with other guests as if there were alien passengers and not just staff. They also need those little mouse droids running about everywhere :p And the bridge really needed some sort of shaking effect added to it.
That pretty much sums up the design of all the newer Disney resorts of late. Riviera might be the most bland and tasteless looking resort I've ever seen.
@@samichmachine Ha ha thanks.
“Don’t judge, we haven’t seen it yet.” - Incorrect. We just saw the best of the hotel. How do I know? Because a 25% loss in pre bookings would push ANY company (and their investors) to immediately release a more-detailed video of the best parts. No video was posted? I rest my case.
I kinda' feel schadenfreude at Disney's overpriced failures... I actually want Galactic Starcruiser and Genie+ and stuff to fail. I don't like Disney's pay more for less philosophy and pricing everyone out. They need to have it fail.
Everyone is waiting for Chapek's poor decisions to come back and bite him and his shareholders. Also don't underestimate Universal's recent string of successes and ever increasing popularity.
I agree. It's the only way to avoid this terrible fate: it has to actually _cost_ them something to roll out failed concepts like this.
🎶it's schadenfreude, making me feel glad that I'm not you.🎶
@@TrashBulldogProductions Genie + was actually great and i enjoyed my vacation more because of it. I get that it out prices people and that's unfortunate but disney is not a charity... it's a business at the end of the day. My only hope is the profits that are coming from Genie are re invested into the parks to bring them back to what they were pre-pandemic if not better.
@@wound5838 why yes, it IS insufferable to hear people gloat "I can afford to buy the time that Disney stole from you and sold to me, so I'm fine with Genie+." At least you're not telling me I just hate change, so that's nice.
This resort needs an "Earth Simulation Room," where guests can escape the immersive experience, breathe some fresh air and see an actual tree.
Like the holodeck in Star Trek?
Touch grass
Yeah, they're called the cast member exits.
they have it, it just also doubles as the designated smoking section and its out back by the dumpsters sewer grates and ac units, nothing says earth like those sweet smells and sounds.
Yeah it’s the smoking section
As a trekkie, the design of the shared spaces feels much closer to my fanbase than Star Wars. My husband is a big SW fan and he loves how worn, mishmashed and 'on the fly' engineered everything feels. This hotel is missing the design mark and I'm surprised it got through so many creative directors to end up like this. Perhaps Disney has a 'yes man' problem they need to fix.
This my thinking exactly. As a Trekkie myself my first though was - this gives me Federation Sarship and not a SW
Yo. Thats what I was thinking too. It feels like the enterprise in next gen.
would be a great star trek experience with a few touches yes.
Agreed. The Star Wars universe is dirty, unless you're on an Imperial battle cruiser. Honestly, the hotel-other than the cheap appearance-reminds me more of Canto Bight and Rose's tirade regarding the sort of clientele that patronize the casino town.
Galaxy's Edge is amazing. So many rough lived in textures while still functioning as a practical theme park. I don't understand why they couldn't replicate that with the Galactic Starcruiser.
I think biggest thing for me being a Star Wars fan is I don't see Star Wars other than the lightsaber. The look and feel of this screams Star Trek or even generic si-fi theme. As someone said it looks like if Disney didn't have the full license to Star Wars and decided to make a hotel.
I turned my room as a kid into a Star Wars cockpit, out from cardboard-boxes and plywood, with assorted knobs and switches found in my dads garage. Considering I didn't have access to a Disney budget, I must say I did very well. If X-Wing, the game, had the todays graphics of Elite: Dangerous, I'd still be living in it.
Yes Like Space 220 is almost identical to Star Trek Next Gen’s 10forward.
Yeah, an CG and visual designer who worked on Star Wars staed that the biggest visual difference between Star Wars and Star Trek is one is a dystopia and the other is a utopia.
Honestly, maybe that's their plan. If Star Wars ever goes out of style, they won't have to do a huge retheme and can just make it a generic space hotel.
@@qwertywelch HAHAHA! You might be right. In case it bombs out they can swap it out with a "Space Mountain Hotel" sign. See, Disney is learning. They are building new stuff with easy retheming built into it!
Did they learn nothing from California adventure? When you cheap out it just ends up costing more in the end to"fix" it.
Honestly it dosn't really look cheaply made to me. It's does however looks like something that wouldn't be fun for anyone who isn't an ultra diehard Star Wars fan.
@@TeamTowers1 ultra hardcore Star Wars fans want nothing to do with this garbage
@@TeamTowers1 I think the promos look cheap, the light saber training looks cheap, and it does not have a start wars "feel". It feels more star trek than star wars. I really hope I'm wrong when we get to see how it turns out.
@@chelseaoocandy I just don't see what everyone else sees in that regard. The scenery dosn't look all that cheap to me. As for looking more like Star Trek. The grungy look of Star Wars tends to be exaggerated by people. Even in the original trilogy Tatooine and the Flacon were the only things that really had that look.
That was the Eisner era. But we are in the Chapek era and this is gonna be one red flag for Chapek
I feel like....this would of been better as AN actual cruise
With Kathleen Kennedy as your ACTUAL Captain and her diverse flight crew?
Naaaahhhh. I'll wait until the Chinese finish Titanic 2.
My thoughts exactly.
Ohhhh! I like that idea.
Like just take an outdated cruse ship they have
Retrofit it to look like a starship
Pannals
And screens allover the place to look like space and hyperspace
When they dock
They are on a planet space port
And theme the area like a theme park
Idk
Just feels better experience.
No need to role play no need to shoe horn in the lore
You are an average citizen on a cruise
Republic senators
Buisnessmen
cartel bank rollers
1st order high officers
Just on vacation
Set it just before episode 7
Where's it's relatively peaceful
Idk
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The size of the hotel property says all you need to know about this project. It’s tiny and has bob cheapskate written all over it. Based on the concept art WDI had massive plans for this thing that (just like galaxy’s edge) was budget cut and corner cut and eventually given the “well our guests are gullible so let’s just talk it up a bunch and they’ll come anyways” approval. I think this hotel will fail and I hope what happens is the Disney board will point the blame squarely where it belongs - at bob cheapskate and not at WDI. Then put in a CEO who actually cares about quality and guests and do the long and expensive job of righting all the wrong imposed since cheapskate took over the parks years ago.
Disney is never going to do well with a one CEO over everything model. There is just far too much stuff and the company is just far too large. That's the biggest issue they have, they try to cram everything in and let people who have absolutely no clue run things.
Lol it looks like a prison from the outside with those tiny rectangular windows and long, bland, white building.
How would this just be Bob’s fault? WDI gave him the reigns. They liked his vision for the park enough to give him the power. There’s always more than enough blame to go round.
@@shenanitims4006 WDI doesn’t have autonomy. Bob is their boss and if he says this is your budget or I don’t like this or cut this and that, it’s cut changed and reworked. WDI is loosing imagineers in droves right now because they don’t have creative freedom anymore. It’s been taken by….. drum roll please……. Bob.
just gonna say that I have it on pretty good authority Mr Terrible isn't going to be around much longer for exactly this reason
I feel like the issue is the price point. Imagine the per person rate was half the price. Yeah still expensive, but maybe more doable and "worth it" for the average person for what you are realistically getting. If Disney doesn't provide top-tier, once in a lifetime experiences and people have to lower their expectations, then the rates must also drop accordingly, or else they will have a half-empty starcruiser lol
Honestly my impression of the higher rates of not just gs but also the rest of Disney world is that Disney is trying to move along the supply line and have lower turnout due to pricing people out but still be making a ludicrous amount of money. Plus I think they would love to not need to have as much staff on hand. But because people are sucking it up and paying the higher rates, Disney just sees it as a win anyway, and I think they’re just gonna keep making the rates go up to see how far they can take it.
@@madelynelise8956 Absolutely agree. Attendance at the parks has gone bonkers. The parks are really too crowded to the point they really need a new park for people to go to in Florida just to take some of the crowds. They seem to be trying to cut attendance by raising the price on everything until they have to cash flow to start being real Disney again and going back to the Disney that hit home runs with every tiny detail.
If they don't raise the prices, the parks will continue to be crowded. If they don't increase the quality of the attractions, people will stop paying those high prices. It has to get worse before it gets better. Every Disneyland is a tourist attraction that people come from all over the world to visit. They pay the high prices. So you have locals and visitors all competing for the same space. It sucks. It really does.
I'm one of the people priced out. While I could save up, I'm also disdainful of Disney for their politics, spiteful words towards customers, and drop in quality. So it's like why would I trade my hard earned money to a company that hates me in return for a poor experience?
@@BungieStudios I'm in the same boat as you. I've never been to Disneyland simply because the cost is too astronomical to me and my family. Raising prices and excluding people doesn't really foster great feelings towards Disney and the people who gloat about being able to afford the most expensive of these attractions. It feels like Disneyland and Star Wars are no longer welcoming to the average person and the only ones who get to play are the wealthy. As such, being a Star Wars fan since 1977 when I saw it opening night in a drive in, I kind of resent Disney taking something so amazing and keeping it only to those who are willing or able to pay the piper.
I've always said people only pay the outrages prices at Disney because it's supposed to be the best you can get in the world. This comes out and shows pretty low quality, and what do you know? People start canceling.
It has always given me a claustrophobic feel with fake windows. I prefer walking around in Batuu and staying at a hotel with a window for a whole lot less, personally.
That was exactly my thoughts. I'd feel so claustrophobic staying somewhere without actual windows for days. Even looking at the promo clips, idk why but it seems like the air just wouldn't feel fresh in there.
Edit- someone farther down mentioned DisneyQuest, and now I know why I feel like the air wouldn't be fresh here. It absolutely reminds me of the feel of DisneyQuest. I remember getting so sick when I went there, I went on that build your own virtual coaster pod thing and got really really motion sick, and then couldn't play or do anything after that because looking at the screens made me even sicker, and the whole time I just wanted to leave because I felt like the air was stale and not refreshing and I was too hot and I just needed to be outside and see the actual sky. Tbh I think I was kind of having a panic attack. I was SO relieved when we finally left, I was still nauseous but I instantly felt so much better even in the humid Florida air. This hotel is just reminding me of that.
@@caitlynr7295 I had the same feeling about the air quality.
@@RaeAnn_1202 Yeah I edited my comment with this specific example because another comment helped me put my finger on it - but it reminds me of how I felt in DisneyQuest. Except I'd be stuck there for a couple days, feeling like I'm breathing stale air and just wanting to see some natural light, instead of a couple hours.
This was never going to be the right hotel experience for me (unless the imagineers could've worked some of their magic and made it feel more open and natural despite the space setting), but even more so at that price point, and with this specific design that makes it feel even more suffocating.
@@caitlynr7295 well said. I completely agree. I will be curious to see a vlog about it, but that is it for me.
Maybe the windows will have special buttons where you can view the fireworks from your actual window.
The part I'm having trouble with is this: You go to Florida, it's sunny, warm, the views are halfway decent. You're going to spend two nights living in what is basically a submarine of a hotel, totally cut off from the outside world? Do you have to endure the theming of the shuttle or elevator or whatever even if you just want to pop back out to the car to grab Johnny's inhaler? I mean, how immersive is it? Are you basically locked in there? It all just seems to fly in the face of basic, practical issues that exist when you're on vacation at a hotel.
Just my two cents... But this isn't a vacation hotel as much as an immersive larp.
You know the rules before entering, so I'm sure they'll let you run to get Johnny's inhaler, but you'll be breaking everybody's fun doing so.
This basically. My other issue is that most guests who stay at a Disney resort are also people who have the intent on going to the parks as well. I feel like in order for you to get your money's worth out of this, if it is as immersive as they say it is, you'd have to hole yourself up in there and stay for basically an entire week. I feel like the resorts were built on the idea that you can take a break away from the park without having to leave the park. But at THIS hotel, the park never stops so it just keeps going and going. I get that the hotel is probably for hardcore Star Wars fans or for kids who are big Star Wars fans, but how long until the fantasy ends?
@@bladewolf39 That's easy. The fantasy ends in two days, which is the exact time you have to get your money's worth. It's a closed experience. The whole routine of launching into orbit, having your galactic vacation, having a little stop at Galaxy's edge, being boarded by the first order, solving the situation, and returning to your home planet takes this two days.
Each scene is scheduled at certain hours and you get some free time to roam around the ship or landing on Batuu in the middle.
I feel you're thinking about Galactic Starcruiser as some sort of hotel, but it's actually closer to a sleepover scape room
@@MikaelBCN How would someone going outside "ruin the fun"?
@@MikaelBCN Pepole dont go to disney for a 2-day escape room...they go to disney for disney. This concept is flawed, overpriced, and in the wrong location. I suspect its going to fail hard
My question is, who in their right minds behind this though the decisions being made were the right call? I ask this because MANY people would have had to sign off on everything that went into this, from how big/small it was, to the food, events, room design, and most of all, cost. It's like they completely ignored the one audience who'd actually be okay spending a decent amount of money for a SWs experience and geared this towards an audience who'd probably spend that amount traveling to tropical resorts for a week.
New "initiatives" are behind this. The damn captain looks like Kennedy
Probably the same decision-makers pushing through to release other obvious failures like Genie+ and Lightning Lanes despite all of the warning signs.
Kathleen Kennedy has to go!
It's really sad how creatively bankrupt the current leadership is.
Disney has been so out of touch with their acquired IPs in the last 10 years. Can’t they just find some huge Star Wars neckbeard online and have them call all of the design decisions? This hotel doesn’t even look like Star Wars just as Galaxy’s Edge doesn’t look like a Star Wars land
I think they should’ve had the immersion of the hotel set on one of the Star Wars planets and not directly in space. Guests are usually more focused on relaxation, rather than all the bells and whistles of the immersion. So if it was set on a planet, some guests can role with the theming and some can chill with more usual resort like scenery and amenities.
Unlike Star Trek, Space in Star Wars is for getting from A-Z and even Star fighter battles happen more and more on actual planets. Star Trek is the one where 90% of the episodes are in space.
It's like, imagine a resort themed after Naboo, with it's gorgeous theming and layout.
@@javascap6258 I feel like the Disney park in Florida could use what used to be the Disney river themed water park for a resort with that idea
@@javascap6258 a naboo palace from the prequels and darth maul can attack
That sounds fire. And you could also have a space experience heading to the planet?
I see a lot of problems people haven't thought of.
• Housekeeping issues
• For that much money I can never look out a window.
• What about families that want to see the sites around town on their once in a five year trip. Oh yea, you can't do that.
• I smoke. Where do I go?
• Medical emergency. Ambulance comes. That would ruin it for others.
• Can I shut off the ships humming sound otherwise I'll never sleep at night.
• I probably can't go get outside food.
As you can see this whole thing would only work for the die hard die hard fan. It's not practical at all.
If there's a fire in the hallway but all of the windows are screens how the HELL are guests getting out of the building? How are they following building code for hotels?
Dallan, be real: this does NOT look even remotely like the Star Wars aesthetic.
I think it does. Particularly the prequel aesthetic. I imagine that was the best option they had to go with since the resort would’ve looked low-grade if they tried going for that gritty junky look of the OG trilogy.
@@geoffreyrichards6079 That’s debatable too. To me it seems like they tried to emulate the prequel era but it still feels off brand
Feels more like a jj abrams Star Trek aesthetic.
It reminds me more of Star Trek TNG or some other Sci-fi than SW.
@Geoffrey Richards
Ehhhh.. no. The prequels had some pretty great settings like Mustfar and the Senate room. Here, the lighting is wonky, there’s not enough detail, and everything looks like cheap plastic. It probably would’ve worked for the better if they had gone with the OG trilogy look, as that is part of what gave the setting its charm. The fact that things on set looked used, the lighting was unique, and, although it didn’t look quite as expensive, it matched the “Intergalactic federation/rebellion” vibe. The actual problem here is that the people designing this stuff have no idea what they’re doing, and the management takes a look at the clear problem and puts on the “this is great” dunce hat.
"... and the response was overwhelmingly positive" yeah, and if someone asked me "would you like to go spend a week on a tropical island that's all inclusive, your bungalo overlooking the coral reefs that are filled with fish, and even if you don't want to jump in the ocean you can walk down stairs and actually have a window into the ocean to see the fish and corals?" I would say "OH HELL YES!!!!" ... great for just $15,000 for the week you can have that, wait what?
I have a feeling that's exactly what happened here, "would you like to have this?" and of course people would say yes. Don't tell them about the price, the feasibility of making it happen as envisioned, and people will go all in in saying that they want it.
That's 100% what it is. I work in market research, and every time we pitch a new product, we get respondent feedback on the concept in general (without the price), then we ask them how much they would price it, then we ask how they feel about the actual price that might be charged for this new product
Thats the best way to understand if people are willing to pay for your product, and if not the price you want to set, but at least a price that is close to what they feel comfortable with
Honestly from the start I was kinda pessimistic about it bc to me it just looked like a multi-thousand dollar LARP-ing facility. Now it reminds me of DisneyQuest kinda, but it still remains to be seen.
Yeah the larping for me is a turnoff.
Ah, DisneyQuest, an eternal structure.
Except you can't really ' larp' at it....as it forces you to be a civilian bystander...cause you I soooo want to be a bystander that can't really do things...you wanna print money Disney? Let us shoot stormtroopers like we all dreamed about
Hey now we know what they did with all the stuff they took out of DisneyQuest.
@@andrewtaylor940 Oh no! 🤣
IMO Galaxies Edge is just a generic space themed shopping mall and food court with a couple of simulator rides. The Galactic Starcruiser looks like another generic space themed attraction to me. I really hope that Disney Parks goes back to the drawing board and adds elements from every Star Wars movie to all of their attractions. Their current approach doesn't make me want to visit their park's.
I actually loved Galaxy's Edge. To each their own, I guess
So is Tomorrowland
No amount of Len's flare will make this Hoilday Inn look like it's in a Galaxy far far away!
dont u dare disrespect holiday inn like that ever again
Idk who Len is, but I appreciate the fact that he has flare.
The Starcruiser is Austenland for Star Wars fans... but I picture Star Wars Universe luxury being plush and lush with velvets, and rich colors. They made the rooms look like the guest quarters on the Starship Enterprise, a minimalist military envoy ship in a society w/o a class system... It looks cool, just a bit off as far as story and interaction
Exactly. Really not meant as a knock on Star Trek but it really feels like a 1990’s trek level budget, not Star Wars.
It looks like it would fit in with Space Mountain, not Star Wars. In my mind, nobody wants to spend time on a cruise in space in Star Wars. Space is boring in Star Wars. It reminds me of taking a trip in a van to visit new places. Going to space is like getting on the freeway or taking a flight at the very most. The luxury comes from visiting new planets. Hence Star Tours.
It really needed to feel more like Canto Bight from Last Jedi. And utterly failed that execution
At these absolutely crazy prices there are only two groups who could be interested in a 'Star Wars themed' hotel - Corporate types who aren't spending their own money, and uber-fans who want to do some live action role playing.
Neither group will regard this half-assed excuse for a Star Wars themed hotel as anywhere near good enough. Disney can't rely on families because it's way too expensive and because of what they did there are no children interested in Star Wars to 'blackmail' parents in to ponying up to dough.
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I am a huge Star Wars fan. So is my fiancé. Like nerds to the core. We are getting married, having a Star Wars themed wedding. We plan on having our honeymoon at WDW. I can tell you that we won’t touch this place with a 10ft pole. It is not Star Wars, any way they try to slice it. Would I pay those bucks if you told me Vader was gonna have a hallway scene and come chop the table in half? Absolutely! As it stands, heck no!
Am awful lot of children would love to go somewhere Star Wars themed, but most families won't want to keep up the roleplay 100% of the time.
Reading through the itinerary, it's not terribly enticing. There doesn't seem to be a lot to do the first day, and the third day is basically eat breakfast and get out. It just seems a lot of money for what you're getting, and the poor design is not helping.
1) Thank you for mentioning the Tower Of Terror original concept, people always argue with me when I tell them this. 2) I'll never understand why Universal didnt actually make a Bates Motel you can stay in. Do it as a budget motel to match the film decor. Id love that! 3) Re this space fiasco, I think they greatly overestimated the number of people willing to pay for a fully immersive multi-day experience.
and its only kinda vaguely 2 days
I don't think they overestimated considering the hotel was booked solid for the first three months. Now, there are lots of openings as people who put down deposits are canceling.
@@dashkatae as an idea its great, but sooner or later you need to show the goods. What they are showing is sub par and they are facing the consequences of that
@@blktauna Completely agree. When all that has been shown is two areas of the ship and everything else is concept art, something is wrong. You don't have to ruin the experience by showing too much but the marketing is so bad in this that people are really not willing to shell out such a large amount of money on just the hopes and dreams that this is amazing.
To be fair, why WOULD you stay at even a fake Bates Motel? I know it's fake but my anxiety would be on overdrive in case they start doing an in-room play and I don't fancy getting up at 4am to go to the loo just to see someone standing in the shower.
I am going to book a room and when I arrive to check in I will wave my hand in a very subtle manner and say "You don't need to charge me thousands of dollars to stay here. These aren't the droids you are looking for." And when they charge me anyways - sue for blatant false advertising for failing to be immersive!
I think the thing that sticks out more than anything to me is it's not really very Star Wars.
Star Wars has a very specific aesthetic. I think George Lucas originally described it as a "Used and ancient future". The films for the most part have kept this aesthetic intact, there aren't really any major star wars films that don't feel star wars-y in design. It's lacking that edge, that patina. Slap star trek uniforms on everyone and it would feel right at home.
Honestly, I think the mistake they made there was trying to do luxury star cruiser, something that isn't really very star wars.
Maybe style it as a hotel on Coruscant, or Naboo, or Cloud City or something. Ground it in another world, rather than in space. I know this might be a contentious point, but for me Star Wars happens on planets, not in space. Tatooine, Hoth, Endor, Dagobah, Alderaan, Jakku, Mustafar, Coruscant, Naboo, or even the Death Star. The most memorable moments of the franchise all happen on the cool worlds they visit, and *that's* what Star Wars is.
I also think the concept would've felt a lot better if the experience was just a little rougher.
The bits people love about Star Wars aren't the pristine utopia of Star Trek, it's the grunge. Tatooine is basically the centre of the universe with how much it's used, and it's a horrible desert full of crime. If I could stay at an experience that put me in a "luxury" tatooine resort, it would be inifnitely more interesting to me. Have it set mid empire, so you'd occasionally see high ranking empire officials staying there. Have a few different restaurants, some nice for the elite in the galaxy, some where the shadier characters would hang around.
I don't think it's the tackiness that's turning me off it in the released promotional material, I definitely think it's aesthetic through and through. It's too nice, and to me it misses the mark on what the star wars aesthetic is, which is actually something that Galaxy's Edge nails, and honestly is a lot better in the concept art.
I had the same thought recently! I thought to myself a hotel set on a planet we have seen in Star Wars already would be a cooler experience and be less restrictive than a space cruise. I don't have any faith in modern Disney anymore after so many lackluster projects and this is no exception. I really hope there is a management shakeup within Disney and we get people who actually understand the parks experience. Modern Disney is 100% lasered in on making their movies / shows for Disney+ and profiting off of that. And it's a business, it makes sense to work on what's earning revenue, but I would rather they just took that money and sat on it rather than have current management attempt to add to / change things in the parks while they constantly slash budgets and produce products unworthy of the Disney Parks status. I haven't been to Galaxy's Edge yet but the last thing Disney has created that impressed me was Pandora. I feel bad for Imagineers who probably have amazing concepts and ideas that they pitch that they have to butcher due to cost cutting since the bean counters of the company don't see rides generating revenue the same way more shops and restaurants do.
Well said, with the success of Mando you’d think that they’d let Feloni & Co pick the overall design aesthetic since they’re the ones who seem to be somehow saving SW.
I just love the “activities” which keeps you busy for approx. 5mins…
The quality of the experience looks so cheap. In marketing, it’s common practice to showcase the best aspects of the product. Many marketeers go to the point of embellishing how great the product is. That’s clearly what Disney is doing with the over acting in the commercials.... what’s concerning is the product features they keep showing looks cheap and like an off brand version of Star Wars.
This is a marketing nightmare. Like, they showed only two places, the bridge being the one you see the most and it doesn't feel star wars at all and a little of the bar area. Everything else shown in the marketing was artist concepts. I would be hesitant about booking into something that they aren't fully showing off. Like, show a cabin where you would be staying to build hype, show the dining area, something.
It still looks cool, but I’m waiting to find out if it’s $5-$6K cool.
My biggest issue is that the “Multi-day” is really only a day and a half. Less if you account for the Batuu
“excursion”.
I get the impression that the pandemic caused a budget crunch just as the hotel was reaching it's decorating phase.
And I think a lot of people made reservations out of anxiety that they wouldn't get in only to reconsider their actions later. For the price of the Starcruiser (or should that be the Magic Jedi?) you could go on two or three Disney cruises.
I think that's the highly possiblity as to why. The company did suffer a massive blow during the shut down and I don't entirely blame them cause we all had to handle it in our own ways but how they're marketing this "one of kind" experience they want to achieve it's really not looking too good at the moment.
I think they bought reservations to show the confirmations on instagram with the intention of canceling.
They just realized it’s all a stupidly expensive idea
Every success is in spite of COVID and everything that doesn’t succeed, or barely makes it is because of COVID. How convenient.
Doubtful. While the pandemic hurt budgets it shouldn't have hurt the hotel as the money should have been already allocated to the project back when it was announced 4 years ago. The thing that changed was Cheapek was put in as CEO and ever since he has, he has slashed the budget of everything.
OMG, a 1990s PC Game FMV cutscene is the absolute perfect comparison for the "Hello, there!" welcome video. You have won the internet, good sir.
Love your videos man, this starcruiser is such a scam. Really needs to change otherwise it’s going to be the biggest flop in Disney history…
If you want it, here it is. Come and get it, but make your mind up fast.
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I'd call it Spaceballs:The Hotel, except they had a mall and a 3 ring circus on their ship lmao
Also…. Spaceballs 2: The Resort. With an immersive quest “how to take all the guests money”
This is a lower budget Disney Quest sleep-over. If this came out in 1978 as a Star Trek motel on Route 66, I'd believe it.
I guess the aesthetics are a bit of a double-edged sword when it comes to creating an authentic Star Wars resort experience. The cleanlier streamlined sci-fi look of the prequel era suits a luxury hotel far better than that gritty junky aesthetic of the OG trilogy, but they’re really difficult to make it look convincing because of how minimalist the sets are.
People will pay a premium price for a premium experience. This looks nothing like that. Also, what is the deal with Disney’s insistence on ignoring the original trilogy era? You know, the movies that made Star Wars a phenomenon in the first place.
The funny thing is that's what got them in a mess with Galaxy's edge in the first place and yet it continues.
My understanding is that they'd have to pay George Lucas for using original/prequel trilogy concepts and characters
It is a long and tangled tale, and paying lucas royalties is only a part of why. The primary issue is kathleen kennedy and her woke identity politics and her absolute determination to re-make SW into a ideological platform and not caring a whit for profitability. And Disney cannot simply fire her. The PR hit they would take for firing the highest ranked woman in hollywood would be catastrophic, and she has threated to burn disney down on her way out if Chapek does. The channel Midnight's Edge has covered it to a massive degree.
@@norricdaoc8746 Man cut the woke shit out. This is not 2016. Kennedy’s Star Wars is ass but having a female main character and a purple haired character in one movie doesn’t make you an ideological Puritan.
@@nickg5341 I assure you she has done far, far more than that. She has forced out at least half of the old Lucasfilm employees and hired only activist types who march to the "diversity" tune, who only care about pushing their message, not making good product. Ever see her in that promotional picture with "The Force is Female" shirts ? That was VERY intentional on her part. For Gods sake she even tried to kill The Mandalorian ! Why, because it had a male in the lead, and was far more popular than her shit product.
Midnight's Edge has been following everything happening inside Lucasfilm for years with inside sources, and this is not a anti-woke empty claim. She is an activist, Rey is her self-insert who is the perfect Mary-Sue. All male characters have been pushed to supporting characters. And have you heard the leaks on the Indiana Jones movie !? Some stupid time travel garbage where in the end all the Indiana Jones moves get retconned to the female costar actually did them and was the real indiana all along !... pure awfulness.
You have to look at everything she has been doing since Lucas appointed her, not just 2 items, both of which do show her activist mentality quite clearly.
As someone who has been watching, consuming, and being a fan of theme park media analysis on TH-cam - I love seeing stuff like DefunctLand’s videos on failed park/resort experiences and honestly… I’m so hyped to see something big like this fail in my own life time
Disney’s FAILURE to make good Star Wars films (except Rogue One, which was good) and now, their failure with this hotel, shows that they don’t understand the Star Wars universe or the fans.
Rouge One is boring tbh. I liked Mandolorian, Rebels and Visions, so I can't say it's all bad under Disney's watch.
@@TeamTowers1 Yes, Mandolorian is enjoyable. But that's also not a franchise film. Disney DESTROYED the legacy of Luke Skywalker
@@rickpontificates3406 Look we should give Disney crap for the things they do wrong with the franchise. but we can't just turn around and say the things they did right don't count.
I'll admit part of the reason I'm not as mad as the die hards when it comes to Disney's Star Wars, is that I kind of fell out of love with the original trilogy overtime and I kind of already hated Star Wars fans since long before Disney bought the brand.
My only opinion on this is that designing a hotel with no windows (no visible ones at least) in the middle of a pandemic of an airborne disease seems like a really, really, really bad idea
I always thought it’s a bad idea because who’s gonna wanna stay in there the whole time when you have the parks right around? it would work better as a cruise ship.
one of the issues i've realized is that in making that promo with the kid, is that they need to light it for tv. which possibly takes away from the set lighting in the hotel. it may not seem like much, but it can make a huge difference.
Hoo boy. I had a short career in an immersive experience. It is very hard coping with guests that don’t want to follow the rules etc and every night we had between 2-5 percent of patrons just opting out based on exhaustion or disinterest…and we were just a three to four hour evening! This does NOT scale well to a resort, all of this screams red flags at my immersive professional brain. Yikes.
Several days?!? It’s barely a day and a half! And 4 hours of that is spent at BATUU
I think an interactive hotel of this magnitude doesn't really make sense. After a day, walking, riding, and eating at a theme park, the hotel would be to go to relax and somewhat get back in touch with reality.
yeah but the thing is that it's NOT a hotel to experience the parks with, its marketed as its own separate trip that has galaxy's edge tossed in as a bonus, honestly given the price i rather go to a nice hotel where i can experience ALL the parks instead of just 1/5 of Hollywood studios with larp tossed in
We should really start a GoFundMe to purchase Mike Stoklasa a permanent room at the Star Wars hotel and make him live there for the rest of his life.
From everything I’ve read…most of what you’re paying is all the performers that are dressing up and going to help create the immersion. Although looking at the size of the place I don’t know how many performers they can actually fit in there with all the guests.
“A bigger budget”. You hit the nail on the head. This is a continuation of the problem Disney parks have had for over a decade now: taking ambitious ideas and trying to do them on the cheap, so as to maximize profit and basically rip off the park goers. Promise filet mignon and give them bologna
A Tower of Terror hotel would’ve been a billion times cooler than Star Wars.
Pretty nifty for a concrete bunker. It makes me want to build a tubular container into a submarine simulator. -Won't need any expensive LED-windows, just some fellow throwing firecrackers at the hull in a timely manner.
There’s several things wrong with it.
Immersion isn’t complete. Cosplay costumes are not included with price. Guests can wear street clothes. Nothing in Starcruiser to explore on your own. Itinerary consists of a series of workshops on a tight schedule. Food looks lame. Characters look hideous with purple and blue makeup. That’s not Star Wars.
It cost as much to "stay" on that phony spaceship as it does to fly on a real one. You can stay at the Ritz Carleton for the same price.
Maybe Harvey Korman in alien drag preparing your meals will bring the experience up to the levels we should expect.
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The main reason why the Tron ride is still under construction is because of the pandemic and the conditions and situations related to it.... if there was no pandemic, the ride would of finished construction by now
I was so excited for this awesome looking hotel until I saw the trailer…
And the price.... 😬
Same
@@thedunadan8021 same
@The Dunadan Yeah, no kidding
Put a spaceship themed hotel someplace cold and crappy, not Florida! They should have made it like visiting a warm tropical Star Wars themed planet hotel or something. Then it could just been an upscale hotel with upscale hotel amenities, a Star Wars theme, all in actually warm and sunny Florida. Then all they have to do is make sure the sight lines don't show the rest of the WDW resort and bam, you're on a new planet. Make a joke that weather appears to be the same on planet X as Florida to every other guest after they step off their transport ship if they need that old Disney humor
Every window isnt a window...its a TV. There are no windows.
Excellent point. Healthy people would want to escape after a few hours locked in a warehouse.
The thing about Galactic Starcruiser is that I just think it's too much. I was really excited about a Star Wars themed hotel and just thought it would be fun to have a place to sleep like I'm in Star Wars. That's really it.
When my parents took me as a kid we stayed at the All Star Sports resort and the French Quarter Port Orleans hotel (I think) the 2nd time I went. And I really don't remember them that much. It was the place tired little kid me went to go sleep after running around Disney World for an entire day and then woke up and got on a bus to go do the same thing again. That's what hotel rooms really are for. I don't need a cruise ship experience. Give me a place to sleep and a pool (I don't think I would even bother using the pool since I would be wanting to go run around Disney World/Land until I'm way too tired to do so but it's nice to have just in case) and that's good for me.
It's going to be interesting to see what comes of this but with the impressions I have I'm not ever going to stay there. I can't afford the experience even if I wanted to but that's something else.
If what Balan Wonderword has taught me is that when first impressions are bad, then chances are that the final product's gonna be really bad.
Someone's never watched Kamen Rider Saber
I can already picture a couple of people Disney may choose to invite and give their "review" on it. It could most likely be more favorable towards the hotel and very few critiques on certain things that could be important or impactful for a stay there. :(
That's what influencers are for.
Yes it’s difficult to know these days who is “in pocket”. There are lots of Disney super fans with SM channels and handles that will do anything to praise Disney for media invites and the special treatment. It totally skews their posts.
"Don't know if I can think of a bigger blunder by Disney in recent memory."
Artemis Fowl: Am I a joke to you?
"Every window is a view of space!" Puahahahahahahahahahahahaha!~ Basically it's "every window is just a flat screen TV"
The interior architecture of the place just looks underwhelming, especially the corridor and the "bridge" set. From the concept artwork, people would have expected something on the level of a movie set or even just a Galaxy's Edge queue, and it's not there. It's too obviously a mundane building with some incidental props and styling. Now, there could be all sorts of reasonable reasons for that (safety/liability/building codes being an obvious one), but if they can't manage it, they can't manage it and the whole thing is just misconceived.
From the brilliant minds of Kathleen Kennedy, Spielberg's former receptionist, and Leslie Hedland, Harvey Weinstein's former personal assistant.
This is why I've cancelled my annual passholder and I'm now an AP at Universal, if Disney wants to do this stuff, I'll just give their competitors money
Hell, I can see problems with the concept art shown at 5:18. The guy sitting down practically in the center of the shot. See what’s wrong with him? They’’re pitching a vacation package for the wanna-be upper class, and that guy (whom I assume signifies a guest), is sitting there detached from the immersion on his laptop.
Their conceptual marks are bored in their branding.
And am I the only one bothered by the “every window is a space window” promise? Wow, I can pay $6,000 to live in an LED-lit cave for a weekend. I get antsy if I’m out of the sun for a day, let alone away from the sun and unable to even see it. Is “hotel lag” a thing? Because Disney might be on their way to creating it.
After seeing this video I am so excited about taking another trip to Florida. Being able to fly through the air, see all the great characters, and enjoy a themed immersive experience... my trip on the Skyliner is going to be the best! I can't wait!
...did you actually watch the video?
it wasn't positive.
@@megsley I think you missed the joke. I made it sound like I was talking about the Starcruiser but in fact I was talking about the skyliner gondolas. It's the old switcheroo.
The thing that gets me the most is that they pitched “live like you’re in Star Wars for a couple days” but decided to make the rooms themed to the vibes of Star Wars characters, rather than actual rooms in Star Wars would look like. The BB-8 themed room would be great if I’m staying at Disney’s All Star Star Wars or something, but if I want to pretend I’m in Star Wars I don’t want to stay in a brightly lit, Star Trek looking BB-8 room. Sure, we can pin some of the lackluster looks (for instance, there’s bare hotel ceilings everywhere when I’ve seen personally in the Millennium Falcon ride that they can do realistic Star Wars ceilings) on covid budget or something, but you can’t blame the entire idea of those rooms on it lol
It’s endemic of the bigger problem, which is that they bought all these IPs and don’t really understand what people like about them. They know we have wallets and clap when we see characters from our childhoods but haven’t figured out why we do. Dallin put it best when he mashed up the reviewer of the hotel with the Space 220 footage- Star Wars is famous for its unique looks, and deviating from it drops you right into generic sci-fi.
Well said!
I read that as “All Star Wars Resort” and then I imagined a hotel based on actual wars. That would be a very different experience.
The main problem is that it really doesn't have that look or feel of Star Wars. Everything feels like off-brand Star Wars from what they've shown. It looks nothing like the high dollar experience they want people to pay for.
That's kinda what I was thinking. It feels more like Battlestar Galactica than Star Wars. Maybe if it featured more recognizable and iconic characters or maybe an exclusive opportunity to interact with Mando and Baby Yoda? I dunno. It's very hard for me to hate anything Star Wars. Very VERY hard. I even enjoyed the sequel trilogy. But, maaaaaaaaan, I dunno what it is about this attraction that just seems off to me.
looks like a adult film parody set, btw i have seen some with literally better looking sets than this.
I think they made everything look cheap and plasticy and Star Wars has a very refined and very unplastic look to it
Recycled props from Space Mountain.
Opening day of this hotel is gunna be hilarious.
they’re marketing to people this Canto Bight experience, rich and fancy stuff, not realizing most people’s star wars interests (fantasy) are the more gritty common people things. Also they’re grossly overestimating the common nerds desire/ability to spend lots of money to LARP for 2ish days.
I wanna blast stormtroopers myself, not be a knockoff gambler
Exactly!
If my husband and I saved up that much money we’d spend it going to see his uncle, aunt and cousins in Hawaii (his uncle is a US Park Ranger/Guide) or some of my sisters and other family members of his or use it for something else.
We’re not rich and, if I remember correctly, children have to be above a certain age to come and we have an almost three year old that we’re not going to leave with family for two days and nights to ‘role play’.
If we were going to WDW we would choose a cheaper experience that everyone could enjoy and not just two people. I’d want to see my son’s reaction to meeting his favorite characters and not hear about it second hand and see pictures/video of it.
A lot of nerds have serious money. Senior software engineers make $300k. A lot of people like that also don't drink, socialise, drive fancy take care of their appearance or travel internationally for fun. Many of them even live with their parents right into their 30s. They have money burning a hole in their pocket.
@@robertoceferino1456 yes i’m sure all the nerds who dont drink or socialize want to spend lots of money to stay in a double occupancy glorified bar with some extra buttons that make the screens go whooosh
@@alilshellphish Well of course they don't. No one does. They want to stay in the place this could have been. They want to escape their sad lives and pretend they're in Star Wars, and if this place actually managed to pull off that illusion they'd reach into their pockets for sure.
The biggest shame is the most heartfelt and amazing part of this is the immersion roll playing aspect. And knowing Disney, that will be the first thing cut. The soul of the experience is that and the first ones to get dropped are all the amazing performers. Makes me really depressed.
12:26 "Can Disney right this ship before they open?"
Uh... no. The concept itself is flawed. They're going to have to re-tool the entire thing to turn it into, like he said, a Star Wars themed Disney resort.
I honey think that even well executed this whole project is a mistake. A fully immersive hotel experience sounds great, and if anyone can do it it's Disney, but I don't think it belongs in Disney World. It needs to be it's own location, because regular parkgoers aren't going to be forking out time and time again to stay there, and your average guest is really just there for the parks. What's the point of creating a completely immersive multi-day experience if all your guests are just using the hotel as a place to sleep?
It's not one of a kind, the National Flight Academy in Pensacola, FL has been doing the "multi-day cruise" idea for kids for close to 10 years now. Pretty cool stuff if you look it up, and they didn't come from a giant corporation either.
Edit: My tone is probably confusing, I don't hate the idea, it's something that's probably magical to children and in theory is pretty cool. My thoughts are that this is going to be a failure, interesting idea, but with all the price gouging going on now I can't be convinced that it's otherwise doomed. I think maybe if they can turn it into a less expensive "extended dinner/lunch activity" that spans a few hours or maybe even a full workday shift, it might persist.
TL;DR: I think it's gonna fail, unless it becomes an indoor park
Edit 2: After thinking about how it could succeed as an indoor park, holy sh*t is this the rebirth of Disney Quest? Will they end up setting up stuff like this in all major US cities?
Yes. I thought about the National Flight Academy and Space Camp as well, for a much lower price and longer duration with possibly way more offerings.
So, the company owns one of the best run cruise lines in the industry can’t talk to them on how run a cruise? Which is the only real good thing Disney has done ever.
It doesn't even LOOK like Star Wars ! The design actually looks like someone explained star wars to a architect who never saw any of the movies, and he then went on that description to make.. low grade dogsh#t. For a family of 4 it is $6.000 to spend a day and a half.. not 2 days, in a low quality ride, with a TINY little room that is less than you get at a $200 motor lodge room.
OMG I cannot wait for the first actual guest reviews to come out, not the shills but real people that disney does not have hooks into. It will be devastating, and disney will deserve the financial disaster it is bringing onto itself.
"Everything is very Star Wars-y"
Except it's NOT. It looks more like a Star Trek rip-off.
It's going to be a massive flop. Because Disney just doesn't learn. And with Bob Cheap-ek in charge, counting all the coins, all we'll see is them cutting costs in more places.
Disney needs a massive cleansing of the company. Pretty much all its leadership teams, from the Board of Directors to the managing directors of its sub-divisions need to be sacked. The company has become completely cancerous and it ruins everything it touches.
Putting lipstick on a pig is one thing,.but putting lipstick on a star cruiser is another story.X
If I wanted to go larping, I'd just save myself the drive and cost. $75 for a full weekend, food, lodging, and sword fights.
“Let the Jedi and the Sith world come together”???
Umm…no, that’s not how the Sith roll.
The holiday special cruiser
I feel like the main issue with both of the Star Wars things in the Disney Resorts is that Bob Cheapek (and yes, I did mean to spell it that way) doesn't understand that you need to spend money to make money. He keeps slashing budgets (sometimes right in the middle of construction), cutting back on entertainment, and all around taking the cheaper route because he actually believes that, much like designer clothes and handbags, the name alone is enough to get people to sell their firstborn to afford the product he's selling. Except all he's doing is damaging the Disney brand by repeatedly putting out a product that is sub-par with what we've come to expect from Disney. A Disney vacation went from the top of the line most amazing thing you've ever done to something only the top 1% can afford that somehow still looks barely a step up from a bargain bin theme park vacation. At this point, the only thing saving the theme parks are all the things that came before that show the level of craftsmanship and innovation that we came to expect from the company. I'm not holding out much hope for the future of the Disney parks if they stay on their current path of money over quality. And I say this as someone who's entire bedroom is Haunted Mansion themed and who's happy place is the theme parks. I'm almost considering going to Universal again, and their parks contributed to the decline of my mental health by causing me to develop another PTSD trigger. THAT is how bad the Disney parks are getting. I would rather risk a PTSD attack than see whatever new stuff Disney has to offer.
He also hired Kathleen Kennedy. The kiss of death for Star Wars.
Compare this to Shigeru Miyamoto walking around the Mario world at USJ like a proud dad.
@@NordicDan Here's the thing: I'm actually not a fan of Star Wars at all so I have zero clue about any of that stuff. I'm just a major fan of the parks. And looking at the state of the US Disney parks compared to the Asian ones (which he doesn't have any control over) I have to say I am not a fan. I wouldn't be shocked if the company winds up in some kind of trouble again while he's the CEO. He has the worst judgement I have ever seen for someone to be at that high of a position in the entertainment industry (and I grew up being the third gen in my family to be involved in the industry) and I genuinely have zero clue how he managed to con his way that high up the ladder. I feel like even I would be a better CEO than he would, and I'm a staunch anti-capitalist.
@@jeremyfuster7570 Exactly! I feel like Chapek doesn't ACTUALLY care about Disney or the parks and only cares about how much money he can add to his bank account. At least with Iger he tried to look like he cared, even if he didn't. Chapek doesn't even try. And it's starting to show. And I hate to say it, but it's kind of ruining the parks for me a little bit. Like I said, I am genuinely planning to go back to Universal when they open the Super Mario Land out here in Cali in a couple years despite my very negative experience the last time I went because what I've seen both in the Japan park as well as the bits of construction progress we've seen has me super optimistic about how amazing it's going to be! I don't feel that at all from all the new Disney additions. If anything, the latest addition here is dampening my love of Disney even more because I can't walk through Avengers Campus without having a sensory meltdown from all the mechanical whirring noises.
From what I’ve seen, It looks cheep. And for thousands of dollars I don’t want cheap.
You think Disney will drop the price if Galactic Starcruiser bites the big one? Disney NEVER lowers the price of anything. Even if they do drop the "cruise in space" charade and puts in a pool and a couple of restaurants, they'll be charging $3000/day for a family four to stay there. The suits that make those decisions make more than that per week, so they couldn't give a rat's hairy ass if us peasants can afford it. It's not FOR us, after all. I get the feeling that this whole thing was really designed to stroke Ann Johnson's ego.
the guy in that deleted preview performs like he’s being held at gunpoint
Offhand: "I can't think of a bigger blunder in recent Disney memory"
Kevin Perjurer: "I made a documentary about an even bigger one."
Taking out pleasure Island for a generic shopping mall?
Disney have a real problem getting the look and tone of Star Wars. They nail it when the work is coming from pre-buyout staff but left to their own devices they really don't seem to get it and it shows in some the bizarre choices they've made, both on screen and in the parks. The best comparison is the infamous Holiday Special, one of the earliest cases of people who didn't understand Star Wars trying to add to it. Star Wars is unique in that whilst every other sci fi franchise has to retcon and update the visuals of earlier instalments, that circa 1977 imagery and audio still feels immersive and credible. Disney really need to understand this instead of arrogantly throwing out a mish mash of sci fi cliches and calling it Star Wars.
They need to take notes from Phantasialand and the hotel at Rookburgh, their steampunk themed land. Absolutely excellent execution.
Also don't blame the acting. Peter O'Toole and Katharine Hepburn could have starred in the preview and people would have said, "Great acting but the hotel still doesn't look like Star Wars."
I love how you had to go all the way back to 1968 to reference good acting! LOL
As long as Bob Cheap-ass is in charge you gonna see the cuts in everything. Could have been amazing, looks like a budget 90's All-star resort. And it's going to be worse than it looks.
Bob needs to go.
These days, Disney has done a fabulous job of making my nightmares come true.
Happy New Year Offhand Disney, much love from the UK.
That lightsaber training looks really tacky lol and then there's the iPhone in that ad with the projector, so cheap
This looks as exciting as the NBA experience
Just rewatched the SNL undercover boss episode, seems like they put more effort to their set than disney
The lighting design would be the best thing to tweak. It looks too well lit and ends up photographing like a set or something you might see at a chuck-e-cheese playground. There's a lot of work they could do with the interiors to make it look more like something out of Star Wars and not a paintball arena.
Okay wait....do you have to take that overblown motion-sim elevator every time you want to leave the hotel to visit the parks? Or is the point that you stay there the whole time?
I still want to love it, and I think I knew it would be expensive but it just feels like they overpriced it a lot, making it impossible for me to even go. I think I'm just disappointed because, as you said, they may lower the price eventually but by also cutting things, and that's not the experience I was looking forward to.
As of 1/6/22, Disney hasn't failed, but they sure are failing. It's almost like they did a lot of warmups and exercising, but forgot to practice for the game. So the Game is here, and they aren't ready, but hope being "in shape" is good enough.