After seeing so many gaming laptop reviews it really makes you think how much GPU power makes a difference and how little the chip model says about its performance. The amount of 3080TI laptops that get outperformed by 3070TI variants and other weird stuff is pretty dissapointing
It is is the same for the 2000 series variants. I have a Lenovo Thinkpad T15 G1 with a RTX2070m. The RTX2070m performs better than the RTX2080m as the RTX2080m generates significantly more heat and the maximum power limits of laptops limit the 2080m's performance.
@@Abel-Alvarez not really I think. I think the problem of nvidia 3080/xx80 is power and heat thats why the 3070/xx70 normally perform better. its like the 3070/xx70 is maximum performance a nvidia laptop can get
@@ArtflPhenix I have a rtx 3070 laptop full power and it's amazing, with some under volt it goes super super well, at 1080p it's just overkill lol but good, it will last far more
I wish GPU and CPU manufacturers went back to the efficiency battle instead of releasing 450W chunks of heat, combined with the increasing electricity prices, things are getting unreasonable. EDIT: Hey, thank you so much for all the engagement, I would have never thought of having a top coment with over 1000 likes on any LMG channel, yet here we are!!
Right...they can even reinvent the old gpus with smaller nodes so it would be available at a cheaper rate..while still pumping enough power to be useable for video editing
Efficiency is actually one of the reasons I play Minecraft on my m1 Mac mini, it doesn’t run nearly as well as my desktop but it’s good enough and sips power comparatively
@@srproductions8798 Terrible idea. New uarches provide improvements in perf/watt so you'd be a fool not to use them. If you need a super power efficient mobile GPU then you need to look at powerful iGPUs like Iris Xe, M1 and Radeon 600M
Gaming laptops have gotten crazy in recent years, I see ones like the Legion 7 run the most demanding games like Cyberpunk just fine on max settings over 60fps. The only downside is thermal throttling, they seem to be purpose built to run at 90-95c but according to the manufacturer this is perfectly fine as long as it doesn't reach the tj max.
Yeah its fine in "it doesnt break immediately" but its not fine in regards to heatspikes crashing your system and longevity of parts. My MSI Raider with the 3080 crashed often and ran at 90-95 everytime I started any software, then I installed a bios and mb update and now its at 70-80 most of the time.
Thermal throttling is often caused by low quality thermal paste. Really weird how maufacturers are trying to save money here, considering how expensive the components are. I managed to get my laptop down from >90° C (and throttling) to around 75° C (no throttling at all through hours of gaming) simply by repasting cpu & gpu with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I feel like the high temps are intentional. I have a 2021 blade 14 that used to thermal throttle at 101C constantly in every game. I complained to razer, and sent it in to get the thermal paste re applied now it averages 80C while gaming and sometimes breaks 85C in very demanding situations. Comparing my temps to reviewer temps, mine runs about 10 degrees or more cooler.
@@parkerhollingsed1192 the only possible way to game for me on my Legion 5 is to disable the CPU turbo boost, instead of going always at 4,5 ghz on my ryzen 7 5800H I go at 3,2 and it is perfectly fine for me, also almost no performance loss, usually I have even better frames since I am not thermal throttling anymore, I have a max of 70 degrees in CPU demanding games sooo, very good.
My Legion 5 Pro runs Cyberpunk easily above 60fps at 1600p and barely reaches 80°C. It's insane to think that a laptop can perform so well without exploding lmao.
I remember back in the old days where the 1060 and RX 480 were slugging it out for the $200 price point, providing stellar performance per dollar and per watt. The GTX 1080 that had no competition back then was heralded as a power sipping maestro, with the reference model shipping with an absolutely quaint by today's standard of a single 8 pin power connector and could be chillin under a blower cooler. Better times...
@@somedude0921 In absolute terms of performance, sure. But if you wanted something you could plug into even a power constrained or space constrained application, Pascal did it the best. There's a reason Jetson Nano still runs on Pascal graphics cores.
@@davidmalkowski7850 If power constraints are the concern it would make more sense to run a 2070 then a 1080, 5 less tdp and a hair more performance. Or to actually get a 3060Ti and power limit it down to 180, as it only runs at 200 tdp noticeable performance improvements, assuming you have a 8+4 Pin
honestly i have a 1660ti laptop and it has been my introduction to pc gaming, it runs flawlessly almost every game i play at 144Hz, and more demanding ones manage a solid and stable 60 fps. i been quite happy for what i payed, 800 usd. i didn't go full on desktop bc the graphics alone in pc costed me 500 usd.
My laptop has the same graphics as yours, cost me € 850.00 used and it runs GTA V and Online fine but it's really loud and sometimes it stutters to the point where it almost crashes or the game actually crashes
@LunaticProgressMaker fyi I bought a OMEN By HP Valkyrie 15-inch gaming laptop and it also has a 144Hz 1080p display, AMD Ryzen 5 4600H (CPU with Radeon Graphics for some reason) and Nvidia GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (GPU) with 16GB of RAM and a 477 GB (actually usable amount of storage) SSD
1660Ti mobile is basically a 980TI if I remember correctly. That GPU is still a viable one today. It was beast back in the day. But when it comes to the performance, resolution of the monitor is the biggest factor next to refresh rate.
Still waiting for a notebook with just APU but with full size pci-e slot at the bottom and with matching base station that you can just plop the notebook into and have a desktop. That would combine great portability and weight with amazing performance at home. (Yes I am aware that e-gpus exists but i couldn't find any good and recent resources that compare the fps and latency of them)
There are a few videos out there that compare eGPUs to desktop performance. Basically you give up quite a bit of gaming performance due to low bandwidth. The xG mobile eGPU from Asus is a bit more powerful than typical thunderbolt eGPUs because it adds extra bandwidth, but since that's still less than a desktop and only available with mobile GPUs, you still get less performance at a higher price. For the price of one xG mobile RTX 3080 eGPU, you can pretty much build a whole desktop PC with a RTX 3060 or even 3070.
Back in the 90s Toshiba and Sony made a bunch of chunky addons that fit on the bottom of a notebook: adding hdds, cdroms, floppies. I’d go big chungus on my laptop to fit a full desktop card under it.
@@spunkmire2664 That would be an option aswell. But from my standpoint/situation I would prefer lighter, longer lasting laptop when I am not at home and gaming like performance at home. The best thing would be - if you already have desktop pc (like I do) you wouldn't need to buy a new GPU/PSU, just reuse the ones from your PC.
They need to change mobile gpu naming from 3070 onwards. Mobile 3060 is only 8% slower than desktop 3060, but mobile 3070 and 3080 is far off their desktop counterparts, so it’s very misleading for consumers
@@saricubra2867 yeah but if they put 6x 2 gigs of vram it might get much hotter in there, and the gpu is supposed to grab almost all of heatsink capacity.
Overall great video and idea, it's just when Riley says laptop users"take a little performance hit", then the numbers show ~50% reduction in base clock I would've rewrote that.
@@planefan082 They aren't? And how is having to hunt down spec sheets to find the exact wattage for a specific laptop model common sense? I've had to do this to help someone purchase a laptop recently.
The problem is that it overheats so badly. I can play arma 3 and insurgency sandstorm at a respectable framerate. Along with games like cyberpunk 2077 and more on high with good frames. I went with a laptop cooler for the better cooling.
The thing is that performance vs power usage is extremely non-linear. You need like double the power for that last 10-20 % performance increase. Just dropping that last increase and you can brand the same chip as a notebook GPU. Also, many lower end 'oversised' desktop cards are like oversised because it's hard, and thus expensive, to design everything in a tiny package.
You now have to make sure you are getting the full power version of the card in a laptop. A bunch of laptops have lowered the power of the cards for cooling or efficiency reasons.
I refuse to have a laptop running hotter than 72C. Its already crazy hot as it is and burns my hands. In fact, I never like those high end laptops. Alsssso, I refuse to buy a GPU that draws more power than 200W. Don't care how good it is.
The problem is also that manufacturers don't ever undervolt, Ryzen doesn't allow it but you can usually undervolt the GPU, in my case my rtx 3070 performs better and draws far less power, I can't even max the 130w power limit since at roughly a 100w is all it needs to give it's full power. That's one problems I don't ever see being spoken about
I believe Desktops should follow the path of Gaming Laptops. I've seen 3080 Mobile running with 40% less fps with half of Power draw in the same spec Desktop Setup. Regarding the way Desktop Architecture slowly ignoring the efficiency should be stopped. otherwise one day we all might need a 1000W+ PSU to run decent AAA games on a Desktop.
Cooling. Many laptops already have thermal problems and throttle down under normal/moderate use simply because they pack as much as they can into as small of a chassis they can, which leads to insufficient cooling. Then you want to add a power hungry, hot running GPU on top of that... So that's what it is, a balance between size and performance because of thermals. If you notice, the gaming laptops are always chunkier...
@@FinalManaTrigger the problem is also that manufacturers don't ever undervolt, Ryzen doesn't allow it but you can usually undervolt the GPU, in my case my rtx 3070 performs better and draws far less power, I can't even max the 130w power limit since at roughly a 100w is all it needs to give it's full power. That's one problems I don't ever see being spoken about
This technological revolution is called making the laptop a few mm thicker. Laptop thickness really doesn't matter unless it's absolutely huge and many laptop manufacturers are pretty bad about making efficient use of space.
@@rubiconnnfunny you mention that. Acer has many 15.6 inch laptops in the aspire series that cost over $1000. Yet they all have puny 40-51 watt hour batteries. A thinner smaller MacBook Air has a bigger battery then most of them
yeah my laptop is the same way, its an RTX 3050 but in its defense, GpuZ identifies as it as the mobile version. I think its just called RTX 3050 Ti Mobile. I also don't know what the difference is between it and the desktop version in terms of performance, all i know is it has 4gb of VRAM as opposed to 8 for the desktop version.
a video on laptop wifi cards! how do they work, how are they different from desctop, can they be changed out? and if so can you put a wifi 6 card in a laptop that originally had a wifi 4 card in it? and what other things does one need to keep in mind when shopping for a replacement you always talk about one being a card is a good thing, tell us why!
Some manufacturers have a whitelist of wifi cards that work in the laptop, other manufacturers don't use such list. Looking for other people who've replaced to a better WiFi is recommended.
@@mingyi456 that's the WiFi cards i meant, very tiny little, but also the number of antennas connectors should be equal. Most have 2 or more antennas connectors and laptop has these wires in the frame.
What I look for in a GPU in order of importance: Cost / Performance , Power Efficiency , Noise . I want a GPU that will provide the greatest bang for my buck. I want a GPU that won't require more then two 8-pin connectors. I want a GPU with a quiet air cooler.
I actually use MSI afterburner to undercooked the power load my 3070 is getting while gaming. It doesn't need all that power. You can play games on 90%, 80%, 70% power.
I just wanted to note the fact you called the savvy builder a she and I gotta say I appreciate that. as a girl I see too much people assume everyone who's into computers is a guy. great to see this
Is a gaming laptop a better offer compared to a gaming prebuilt pc in 2022? I’m Just wondering which one serves a better Price to Performance ratio right now.
you're still better off building a pc yourself, as far as price : performance goes. Dell has competitive pricing, but I can't recommend them, and you know they'll upcharge you for antivirus, and try to sell you on financing
if you don't need the main argument for a laptop, portability, don't get a laptop. If you do, mid and high end laptop are usually 110% fine for gaming performances now, but you will get most performance for your money with a desktop. Laptop are also great if you can't afford (and don't already have) all the matching peripherals (a high refresh rate screen, a keyboard, wifi...), as most gamin laptops offer really great high refresh rate screen already. So if you don't absolutely need one don't get one, but if you do, it's more than fine anyways.
it does depend, compare the specs and pricing in your region for example for me british pricing is complete dogshit, especially for pc parts, and I got a good deal second-hand for a gaming laptop from Mechrevo (which has been the most stable PC i've ever owned, I'll be buying from them if they still exit in 10 years even if i have to pay full price)
I'd be interested in seeing a vid on the evolution of internet speeds. How we went from dial-up to dsl to gig and the differences between the "speed" of down/upload and the bandwidth (I know a lot of people who don't know the difference) ie: having 1gb internet doesn't mean you get 1gb download speed on a game.
Here is a good question, if a laptop can use component WAY SMALLER than a PC AND COME CLOSE TO IT'S PERFORMANCE, why do we really need such hug e GPUS? }} I have not used a laptop in so long, for my price range, I can't find a dedicated GPU in the price range I want, I found a gaming laptop for $450(has dedi-GPU), it will not be used to gaming but studying/school stuff and maybe youtube. Possibly zoom when needed, rarely. I know CPU integrated GPU have improved, but that is on the high end CPU(unless it changed), but can it even achieve 60fps with a couple programs? I will just buy the gaming laptop, do not want to waste my money plus I get the GPU with it. Was not aware 50% load was optimal on PSUs. I do not encode/decode, nor do I create. So I do not need more than a $250-500 laptop.
This was a helpful video. It answered a few basic questions many people have had without getting too bogged down in the details. Kudos to everyone involved with making it.
Hamburgers in ads are usually only half cooked to make them look bigger and juicier. Also carefully assembled to make it as pretty as possible, even adding the sesame seeds individually with a tweezers. And milk in ads is usually white paint.
My 3080 laptop has even more vram than available on the desktop cards at 16GB. I'm not a gamer but an architecture student who needs to run real-time render engines that take up at least 8GB on a developed, single building 3D model. As a student, I cant use a desktop because I need to be in class 6+ hours a day so a laptop is the only option. Clock speeds and cores on my 3080 mobile are slightly lower than the desktop card, but it runs at 125W, the highest I've seen in a laptop and performs nearly the same if not better than a desktop 3070 with twice the vram for the applications I use. I think the major issue is not that the mobile versions are inherently weaker or worse, its that they vary so much in terms of specs from laptop to laptop. For example, you might find a 3080 mobile that runs at 60W and another that runs at 125W. So if you don't know exactly what to look for, or if the manufacturer does not openly disclose that information, you could definitely end up getting screwed over.
@@mofkergt Its the 2021 4K 120Hz Zephyrus S17 (GX703-xb99). It has an i9 11900H with 3TB SSD and 32GB memory. This model has some very unique cooling features that allow it to take such high power loads.
Gaming laptops' efficiency are at peak on the RTX 20-Series. Given the limited space of standard laptops, adding more power to it doesn't really equate to higher performance neither efficiency anymore.
My laptop 3080 is absolutely not as powerful as a desktop 3080, and I never expected it to be. However, it has 16GB of VRAM versus what I believe to be 10GB in its desktop counterpart. How on earth did that happen?
Only 3080 ti laptop had 16 GB of VRAM and it was the fastest mobile GPU at the time, hence the increased memory capacity. it had quite a bit of a price premium over 3080 laptop, so the extra memory was supposed to justify what you were paying for.
This is the PERFECT moment. Im gonna need a rig for solidworks. Laptop vs desktop. Budget around 1500. Any recommendations or specs. *note: only need it for ONE year. For the laptop i'll only be running solidworks. If a Pc, The pc, solidworks and daily browsing, maybe light gaming.
Desktop. With that budget you could probably get either a 12700 or 5800X tier CPU from either vendor, but the important part will be the graphics. If you're only running solidworks seriously, then you'll want to go for either a Quadro card from Nvidia (probably the A2000) or a Radeon Pro from AMD (probably a WX 7100 or thereabouts). The Nvidia one is more likely to have received special attention from both Nvidia and Solid Solutions to absolutely guarantee its performance in Solidworks. Past that, focus on getting as much DDR4 as you can get your hands on. It won't need to be blazing fast, you just a large quantity of it, like 32GB+. With this system, prioritise the GPU from a professional line first, the memory quantity second, and then everything else only needs to be like mid tier at best latest gen and compatible
I don't really want to disagree with TAP7a because they sound like they know what there talking about but I believe any current enterprise segment GPU is going over your budget by it's self and I think in your first year your not going to learn how to stress an entry level gaming GPU in the $500 range. I'm assuming your new to solidworks or you wouldn't be asking.
I have been using solidworks for the past 2 years on a light basis in school, but i will have final exams (high school) where it would be beneficial to have solidworks at home. Thats why i need it for one year (at least). I need it to be able to do the basics, such as 3d modeling and assemblies. The realistic rendering will most likely be done with the school pc. THANKS
I have serveral laptops and I've used some powerful desktops and what i noticed in regards to laptops is they come out the box set to produce the most power to get the most out of the cpu and gpu but this causes more heat that can lead to pre mature failure what ive done to fix this issue is changing the power registry and disabling boost processor power mode when plugged in and turned processor power minimum when plugged in to 100% and maximum both to 100% not only do i run badly optimized games that would reach close to 92c at 60c now but even emulators that would start up sounding like a jet was taking off run at around 45c max when they were😮 running at 90c and this was tested with a low end laptop that got bad reviews ive seen no performance loss and ive been happy with my laptop running cool and being able to llay games without checking the temps every 5 min.
@@the1observer It actually doesn't throttle at all. The vapor chamber keeps it nice and cool. I average anywhere from 60c to 80c and my 3080 never goes past 75c.
My i7 8750 and GTX 1070 still hold up great. I don't see myself upgrading for another year or two, I don't care about raytracing and 4K that much. I can wait...
I thought NVidia used the tag "Max-Q" to distinguish laptop GPUs from the desktop counterpart. That was an easy naming scheme that lets buyers know it's not exactly the same as the original GPU it was based on. Sad they phased that out.
From what I've learned, Max-Q is indeed Laptop/Mobile only, but it is a lower-power variant of the Laptop versions. I have a 2070 in my laptop, which is faster and uses more power than a 2070 Max-Q, but is still different from a desktop 2070 (it might also contain less CUDA cores in addition to lower clocks, but that depends on the specific model I believe)
I love my legion 5. It was under $800 and has a GTX 1650ti. No ray tracing or anything but I get 100 fps in games like prey and borderlands at the highest settings. Of course rocket league gets a couple hundred. My display is 1080p so I don't need 1440
I still feel that the naming of mobile gpus should reflect the equivalent desktop gpu that matches it's performance. So maybe that mobile 3080TI should be called a 3070 for non technical people looking what to buy.
For the love of God don't get the solidworks maker edition. It's beyond janky and you will get even less support than the 1500$/Year users. Apply for the student flversion of their free entrepreneur edition.
Because I'm in school and needed portability, I did go for a gaming laptop. It's honestly amazing! The only downside is the battery isn't that great! 😭 But I usually have a power outlet, so that's alright.
Never had a gaming laptop until I picked up an Asus ROG Zephyrus G14 for $899. The amount of power this thing has in such a small package is insane. Plus it is my college, work, gaming and coding all-in-one.
I'm guessing that there are also diminishing returns with higher TDPs on graphics cards? So a desktop card with a tdp of 300W won't be thrice as fast as a laptop equivalent card at 100W.
Yeah the power brick on my work Dell G15 Ryzen w/ the 3060 is a chonk. The weight and bulk of the whole setup reminds me of friends’ parents’ laptops in the late 90s
Can we talk about the true insanity of mobile GPU branding really is? This isn't a 10-15% difference. A 3080ti mobile is effectively the same perf as a 2080? Or a 3080ti ‘Max Q” is effectively a 1080ti/2070 Super!?! Literally 50% the performance of a desktop 3080ti! And that’s all at max designed power limits! Nevermind all of the companies that then undervolt/clock them to fit into lower thermal envelops with ZERO disclosure to the customer!
And as usual, tuning gets no mention and how amd never had it for mobile parts, and intel took it away. Because otherwise earlier you could reduce temps by 10-15 degrees simply by clever undervolting to both CPU and GPU on laptops.
Yeah my 2060 in my laptop is not as fast as a desktop 2060 but it's a laptop. Yeah I know that a desktop is faster but I can travel with my laptop and I can game on it and get a good experience doing so, so it's fine. The tradeoffs with a laptop are not a problem if you need the mobility. I work in an industry where I need to have a computer that I can bring with me and I needed an upgrade for my home system. It just made sense to retire the old laptop and get a gaming laptop which wasn't too expensive either because the market for these kinds of systems has gotten really competitive. I will likely build a desktop too but I don't have to urgently now. The laptop gives me some wiggle room and I can be more discerning with my purchases now. I don't recommend gaming laptops for everyone but I do recommend them.
The problem is they reduce the power used instead of increasing the performance further and matching the same power usage on desktop versions. It's not that we got desktop performance on laptops. We got laptop performance on desktops but it's disguised as the opposite thing.
They can just compair them and name them acordingly if a laptop 4090 have 4070 ti power Call it a fkn 4070 ti idc if people want the best of the best gpu just make the 4070 ti the top of the line gpu for laptops
still flat pins is at disadvantage of GPU cards and it often easy to get broke and of course it's because Modern moderboard GPU sockets are not upgrading either hoping for something like audio jack like socket or HDMI or something even better that looks pretty solid tsk
During 2019 I bought an Asus tuf fx504gm, it thermal throttle like crazy until during January of this year when it no longer wanted to boot. I've should bought a desktop instead.
I am using a Laptop with an RTX 3080 and while you definitely cant expect the Desktop Performance, its still absolutely fine for playing anything I throw at it, especially since I chose the 1080p Panel. But yeah, dont expect a 450 Watt Graphics Card in a Laptop, not gonna happen.
It is very old information that power supplies work best at 50% load. Most high quality power supplies nowadays have rather flat efficiency curve. For example my psu has perhaps 1% efficiency difference between 10% load and 50% load.
i have one big question i want you help answer. which is better an old flagship gaming pc or a new budget gaming pc... both being around the same price today??????
There was me just three ago had a issue with power but I did not know that. We check everything. But then I thought why does it goes off when I am gaming for some time; maybe there was an issue with the temperature; although it was the temperature but in the end we found out that GPU was drawing too much power than it should because it was heating everything too much, the maximum power it was sucking was 300-400 watt So we just had to get a new computer overall- as it was already almost five years ago. There was no warranty. And I only had 700W
i still have that exact Alienware lmaoooo it kept up for a decade literally .......i still produce my music on it , had 3gb VRAM in 2011 when ppl said it was a waste lmaooooo jokes on them
@@DonaldHendleyBklynvexRecords the fans do get annoying and every time they ramp up i get concerned my laptop's lifespan is going down when that CPU reaches 100C when gaming or running demanding apps and programs. Is it normal for it to reach that temperature? Is my laptop going to last years like this? I don't know
@@motherchuckair404 mines started freaking out years ago until I got an cooling plate for it , those cheap laptop cooler things n all was ok again, a repaste is probably recommended for both of us
@@DonaldHendleyBklynvexRecords I'll start looking for some thermal paste when my laptop reaches a reasonable age (e.g 1 year) and i'll replace its thermal paste to see if it'll make a difference.
As far as I'm aware, my laptop actually has a full rtx 2070 in it, not the laptop version. As nest as that is, I'll never see the benefit of it because I'm constantly limited by the system draws. The power brick it uses supplies 230 watts and even though I've undervolted the GPU &. CPU and replaced the thermal paste with liquid metal, the laptop draws too much power and throttles the system anyway. Still powerful enough to play whatever I want on, but at the cost of being a chonky laptop, with a chonky power brick, and it won't last long on its own if you try to run it on battery alone with the discrete gpu enabled. I actually wondered if buying a larger power supply for the laptop would help, maybe a 300 watt one or more if they are out there, but they're pretty expensive and I'm not certain that the manufacturers don't limit the amount of Power the laptop will draw from the brick to the amount that came on its factory brick. If anyone knows that'd be cool
Informative video, but I didn't get what I wanted to know. Is the visual quality of games is the same between Laptops and Desktops? Ex: Ultra RTX settings (Desktop 3070ti) = Ultra RTX settings (Laptop 3070ti) ?
Bozo efficiency did go up your only complaining about high end card(3080-3090 ti) that no one force you to buy. If you actually check newer card this year their efficiency is much much better compare to last gen if were talking about perf/watt. Also undervolting exist
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After seeing so many gaming laptop reviews it really makes you think how much GPU power makes a difference and how little the chip model says about its performance.
The amount of 3080TI laptops that get outperformed by 3070TI variants and other weird stuff is pretty dissapointing
It is is the same for the 2000 series variants. I have a Lenovo Thinkpad T15 G1 with a RTX2070m. The RTX2070m performs better than the RTX2080m as the RTX2080m generates significantly more heat and the maximum power limits of laptops limit the 2080m's performance.
So as RTX laptops go, the lower the series number, the better it performs to it's successors? 😅😉
@@Abel-Alvarez not really I think. I think the problem of nvidia 3080/xx80 is power and heat thats why the 3070/xx70 normally perform better. its like the 3070/xx70 is maximum performance a nvidia laptop can get
@@ArtflPhenix I have a rtx 3070 laptop full power and it's amazing, with some under volt it goes super super well, at 1080p it's just overkill lol but good, it will last far more
And cpus like how the i7 12700h beats the i9 12900h
I wish GPU and CPU manufacturers went back to the efficiency battle instead of releasing 450W chunks of heat, combined with the increasing electricity prices, things are getting unreasonable.
EDIT: Hey, thank you so much for all the engagement, I would have never thought of having a top coment with over 1000 likes on any LMG channel, yet here we are!!
Right...they can even reinvent the old gpus with smaller nodes so it would be available at a cheaper rate..while still pumping enough power to be useable for video editing
Efficiency is actually one of the reasons I play Minecraft on my m1 Mac mini, it doesn’t run nearly as well as my desktop but it’s good enough and sips power comparatively
@@srproductions8798 Terrible idea. New uarches provide improvements in perf/watt so you'd be a fool not to use them. If you need a super power efficient mobile GPU then you need to look at powerful iGPUs like Iris Xe, M1 and Radeon 600M
@@Sinaeb I live in Spain, we've been doing a massive push to get almost everything renewable, still, prices are going up
@@superkoopatrooper4879 Nvidia and AMD can't make GPUs fast enough, but desktop is dying for sure
Gaming laptops have gotten crazy in recent years, I see ones like the Legion 7 run the most demanding games like Cyberpunk just fine on max settings over 60fps. The only downside is thermal throttling, they seem to be purpose built to run at 90-95c but according to the manufacturer this is perfectly fine as long as it doesn't reach the tj max.
Yeah its fine in "it doesnt break immediately" but its not fine in regards to heatspikes crashing your system and longevity of parts.
My MSI Raider with the 3080 crashed often and ran at 90-95 everytime I started any software, then I installed a bios and mb update and now its at 70-80 most of the time.
Thermal throttling is often caused by low quality thermal paste. Really weird how maufacturers are trying to save money here, considering how expensive the components are. I managed to get my laptop down from >90° C (and throttling) to around 75° C (no throttling at all through hours of gaming) simply by repasting cpu & gpu with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I feel like the high temps are intentional. I have a 2021 blade 14 that used to thermal throttle at 101C constantly in every game. I complained to razer, and sent it in to get the thermal paste re applied now it averages 80C while gaming and sometimes breaks 85C in very demanding situations. Comparing my temps to reviewer temps, mine runs about 10 degrees or more cooler.
@@parkerhollingsed1192 the only possible way to game for me on my Legion 5 is to disable the CPU turbo boost, instead of going always at 4,5 ghz on my ryzen 7 5800H I go at 3,2 and it is perfectly fine for me, also almost no performance loss, usually I have even better frames since I am not thermal throttling anymore, I have a max of 70 degrees in CPU demanding games sooo, very good.
My Legion 5 Pro runs Cyberpunk easily above 60fps at 1600p and barely reaches 80°C. It's insane to think that a laptop can perform so well without exploding lmao.
I remember back in the old days where the 1060 and RX 480 were slugging it out for the $200 price point, providing stellar performance per dollar and per watt. The GTX 1080 that had no competition back then was heralded as a power sipping maestro, with the reference model shipping with an absolutely quaint by today's standard of a single 8 pin power connector and could be chillin under a blower cooler.
Better times...
Worse
@@somedude0921 In absolute terms of performance, sure. But if you wanted something you could plug into even a power constrained or space constrained application, Pascal did it the best. There's a reason Jetson Nano still runs on Pascal graphics cores.
@@davidmalkowski7850 If power constraints are the concern it would make more sense to run a 2070 then a 1080, 5 less tdp and a hair more performance. Or to actually get a 3060Ti and power limit it down to 180, as it only runs at 200 tdp noticeable performance improvements, assuming you have a 8+4 Pin
The GTX 1080 had competition from the R9 295X2, but that AMD card was... not as energy efficient. 👀
RTX 2000 had same power consumption. With the 100$/€ tax of course.
But what if I want 4 rtx 4090 tis in my dell laptop 😡😡💢💢💢
This is madness!
Damn Bratty Dell......！！Too few GPU 💢💢💢 SLI Correction is needed.....
Maybe for 5k and fans louder than a jet engine 😂
Then you need a very big laptop...
Or put a Dell desktop PC on your lap
@@Malluc lmao why
honestly i have a 1660ti laptop and it has been my introduction to pc gaming, it runs flawlessly almost every game i play at 144Hz, and more demanding ones manage a solid and stable 60 fps. i been quite happy for what i payed, 800 usd. i didn't go full on desktop bc the graphics alone in pc costed me 500 usd.
My laptop has the same graphics as yours, cost me € 850.00 used and it runs GTA V and Online fine but it's really loud and sometimes it stutters to the point where it almost crashes or the game actually crashes
@LunaticProgressMaker fyi I bought a OMEN By HP Valkyrie 15-inch gaming laptop and it also has a 144Hz 1080p display, AMD Ryzen 5 4600H (CPU with Radeon Graphics for some reason) and Nvidia GeForce GTX 1660 Ti (GPU) with 16GB of RAM and a 477 GB (actually usable amount of storage) SSD
1660Ti mobile is basically a 980TI if I remember correctly. That GPU is still a viable one today. It was beast back in the day. But when it comes to the performance, resolution of the monitor is the biggest factor next to refresh rate.
@@hkoizumi3134 tho I have gaming PC i like to take my laptop with me too but god my laptops GPU sucks
Same, but mine's Lenovo Legion. Good piece. I just wish they give 3060 mobile more vram, I might consider saving up to buy the new 60 series.
Still waiting for a notebook with just APU but with full size pci-e slot at the bottom and with matching base station that you can just plop the notebook into and have a desktop. That would combine great portability and weight with amazing performance at home.
(Yes I am aware that e-gpus exists but i couldn't find any good and recent resources that compare the fps and latency of them)
Egpus arent bad and are like 80% of the performance of normal
There are a few videos out there that compare eGPUs to desktop performance.
Basically you give up quite a bit of gaming performance due to low bandwidth.
The xG mobile eGPU from Asus is a bit more powerful than typical thunderbolt eGPUs because it adds extra bandwidth, but since that's still less than a desktop and only available with mobile GPUs, you still get less performance at a higher price.
For the price of one xG mobile RTX 3080 eGPU, you can pretty much build a whole desktop PC with a RTX 3060 or even 3070.
Back in the 90s Toshiba and Sony made a bunch of chunky addons that fit on the bottom of a notebook: adding hdds, cdroms, floppies.
I’d go big chungus on my laptop to fit a full desktop card under it.
Maybe someday we'll see the return of PCMCIA/ExpressCard. Probably not, though.
@@spunkmire2664 That would be an option aswell. But from my standpoint/situation I would prefer lighter, longer lasting laptop when I am not at home and gaming like performance at home. The best thing would be - if you already have desktop pc (like I do) you wouldn't need to buy a new GPU/PSU, just reuse the ones from your PC.
They need to change mobile gpu naming from 3070 onwards. Mobile 3060 is only 8% slower than desktop 3060, but mobile 3070 and 3080 is far off their desktop counterparts, so it’s very misleading for consumers
130w 3060 laptop performs slightly faster than desktop 3060(the default version)
@@RolandJVyens ah yes, logik
They used to add " M ", even back with RTX 2000...
Agree
What I didn't even know this
I think rtx 3060 is perfect for a laptop being its performance is close to its desktop counterpart and more power efficient.
yep
The only downside is VRAM, 6GB? WTF NVIDIA, and RTX3050 mobile is 4GB vs 8GB for desktop lol.
@@saricubra2867 yeah but if they put 6x 2 gigs of vram it might get much hotter in there, and the gpu is supposed to grab almost all of heatsink capacity.
@@blandon93 Since when RAM sticks or chips get hot?
lol.
@@saricubra2867 since gddr6
Overall great video and idea, it's just when Riley says laptop users"take a little performance hit", then the numbers show ~50% reduction in base clock I would've rewrote that.
They used to suffix the cards 'GTX 980M' for Mobile- now they don't. That's the only difference, more deception.
That's clearly a joke from them
Even at the end they joke about how the manufacturers could mislead the consumer by using the naming convention
@@yewtewb3628 They're affixed with Mobile, plus it's common sense
@@planefan082 They aren't?
And how is having to hunt down spec sheets to find the exact wattage for a specific laptop model common sense?
I've had to do this to help someone purchase a laptop recently.
@@Olivia-W I mean; 3060 Mobile means the 3060's specs with watered down TDP, 3080 Mobile means the 3080's specs with watered down TDP, etc
The problem is that it overheats so badly. I can play arma 3 and insurgency sandstorm at a respectable framerate. Along with games like cyberpunk 2077 and more on high with good frames. I went with a laptop cooler for the better cooling.
I have a 2080ti in my Asus laptop and it never gets hot. I max cyberpunk with RTX on.
depends on laptop
laptops with better cooling will ne more expensive at same specs
@@kupokinzyt Press X to doubt.
What laptop cooler did you purchase?
Here's a trick, raise the laptop even just a few inches off of a flat surface. You'd be surprised how much of a cooling difference it makes.
The thing is that performance vs power usage is extremely non-linear. You need like double the power for that last 10-20 % performance increase. Just dropping that last increase and you can brand the same chip as a notebook GPU. Also, many lower end 'oversised' desktop cards are like oversised because it's hard, and thus expensive, to design everything in a tiny package.
You now have to make sure you are getting the full power version of the card in a laptop. A bunch of laptops have lowered the power of the cards for cooling or efficiency reasons.
Lenovo sweep fr
I refuse to have a laptop running hotter than 72C. Its already crazy hot as it is and burns my hands. In fact, I never like those high end laptops.
Alsssso, I refuse to buy a GPU that draws more power than 200W. Don't care how good it is.
Everything below 80 and even 70 c is pretty stable temps for gaming laptops
The problem is also that manufacturers don't ever undervolt, Ryzen doesn't allow it but you can usually undervolt the GPU, in my case my rtx 3070 performs better and draws far less power, I can't even max the 130w power limit since at roughly a 100w is all it needs to give it's full power. That's one problems I don't ever see being spoken about
I believe Desktops should follow the path of Gaming Laptops. I've seen 3080 Mobile running with 40% less fps with half of Power draw in the same spec Desktop Setup. Regarding the way Desktop Architecture slowly ignoring the efficiency should be stopped. otherwise one day we all might need a 1000W+ PSU to run decent AAA games on a Desktop.
Bro 1000w is required for the new nvidia cards. They are 1000w least required with 3090 ti. I think the new gpu which came has required 1000w psu.
some kind of revolution in tech must happen for a current high end discrete gpu to fit in a laptop
Cooling. Many laptops already have thermal problems and throttle down under normal/moderate use simply because they pack as much as they can into as small of a chassis they can, which leads to insufficient cooling. Then you want to add a power hungry, hot running GPU on top of that...
So that's what it is, a balance between size and performance because of thermals. If you notice, the gaming laptops are always chunkier...
@@FinalManaTrigger the problem is also that manufacturers don't ever undervolt, Ryzen doesn't allow it but you can usually undervolt the GPU, in my case my rtx 3070 performs better and draws far less power, I can't even max the 130w power limit since at roughly a 100w is all it needs to give it's full power. That's one problems I don't ever see being spoken about
This technological revolution is called making the laptop a few mm thicker. Laptop thickness really doesn't matter unless it's absolutely huge and many laptop manufacturers are pretty bad about making efficient use of space.
@@rubiconnnfunny you mention that. Acer has many 15.6 inch laptops in the aspire series that cost over $1000. Yet they all have puny 40-51 watt hour batteries. A thinner smaller MacBook Air has a bigger battery then most of them
yeah my laptop is the same way, its an RTX 3050 but in its defense, GpuZ identifies as it as the mobile version. I think its just called RTX 3050 Ti Mobile. I also don't know what the difference is between it and the desktop version in terms of performance, all i know is it has 4gb of VRAM as opposed to 8 for the desktop version.
a video on laptop wifi cards! how do they work, how are they different from desctop, can they be changed out? and if so can you put a wifi 6 card in a laptop that originally had a wifi 4 card in it? and what other things does one need to keep in mind when shopping for a replacement
you always talk about one being a card is a good thing, tell us why!
Some manufacturers have a whitelist of wifi cards that work in the laptop, other manufacturers don't use such list. Looking for other people who've replaced to a better WiFi is recommended.
Wifi cards don't exist any more cuz now motherboards have integrated wifi cards.
@@rishitkhanna336 Even some motherboards hat advertise integrated wifi use a wifi card on a m.2 key e slot.
@@mingyi456 that's the WiFi cards i meant, very tiny little, but also the number of antennas connectors should be equal. Most have 2 or more antennas connectors and laptop has these wires in the frame.
What I look for in a GPU in order of importance: Cost / Performance , Power Efficiency , Noise .
I want a GPU that will provide the greatest bang for my buck.
I want a GPU that won't require more then two 8-pin connectors.
I want a GPU with a quiet air cooler.
With the latest generation of GPUs around the corner, the way of the 8-pin connectors may become endangered by the 12- or 16-pin connectors.
Good luck on that 2 8-pin one
I actually use MSI afterburner to undercooked the power load my 3070 is getting while gaming. It doesn't need all that power. You can play games on 90%, 80%, 70% power.
That's why I love laptops! Portable and power efficient. They max out at a couple of hundred watts, which is half that of a big PC
I just wanted to note the fact you called the savvy builder a she and I gotta say I appreciate that. as a girl I see too much people assume everyone who's into computers is a guy. great to see this
The right way would be not to specify
Is a gaming laptop a better offer compared to a gaming prebuilt pc in 2022?
I’m Just wondering which one serves a better Price to Performance ratio right now.
you're still better off building a pc yourself, as far as price : performance goes.
Dell has competitive pricing, but I can't recommend them, and you know they'll upcharge you for antivirus, and try to sell you on financing
if you don't need the main argument for a laptop, portability, don't get a laptop. If you do, mid and high end laptop are usually 110% fine for gaming performances now, but you will get most performance for your money with a desktop.
Laptop are also great if you can't afford (and don't already have) all the matching peripherals (a high refresh rate screen, a keyboard, wifi...), as most gamin laptops offer really great high refresh rate screen already.
So if you don't absolutely need one don't get one, but if you do, it's more than fine anyways.
it does depend, compare the specs and pricing in your region
for example for me british pricing is complete dogshit, especially for pc parts, and I got a good deal second-hand for a gaming laptop from Mechrevo (which has been the most stable PC i've ever owned, I'll be buying from them if they still exit in 10 years even if i have to pay full price)
4:10 after that, Techquickie received threats from both Big Mac and Apple
I'd be interested in seeing a vid on the evolution of internet speeds. How we went from dial-up to dsl to gig and the differences between the "speed" of down/upload and the bandwidth (I know a lot of people who don't know the difference) ie: having 1gb internet doesn't mean you get 1gb download speed on a game.
Here is a good question, if a laptop can use component WAY SMALLER than a PC AND COME CLOSE TO IT'S PERFORMANCE, why do we really need such hug e GPUS? }}
I have not used a laptop in so long, for my price range, I can't find a dedicated GPU in the price range I want, I found a gaming laptop for $450(has dedi-GPU), it will not be used to gaming but studying/school stuff and maybe youtube. Possibly zoom when needed, rarely. I know CPU integrated GPU have improved, but that is on the high end CPU(unless it changed), but can it even achieve 60fps with a couple programs? I will just buy the gaming laptop, do not want to waste my money plus I get the GPU with it.
Was not aware 50% load was optimal on PSUs. I do not encode/decode, nor do I create. So I do not need more than a $250-500 laptop.
Laptop GPU: techquickie
Desktop GPU: techbiggie
lol
Solidworks sponsor. Wow that's a great achievement for the channel.
since the dies, VRAM. and VAM (I think VAM is the right word) are still small, they can have the same GPU. technically.
This was a helpful video. It answered a few basic questions many people have had without getting too bogged down in the details. Kudos to everyone involved with making it.
I actually wound the video back to watch the sponsor ad after I reflexively skipped it. Never thought that would happen.
Hamburgers in ads are usually only half cooked to make them look bigger and juicier. Also carefully assembled to make it as pretty as possible, even adding the sesame seeds individually with a tweezers.
And milk in ads is usually white paint.
It’s simple, no cooler in the laptop! Saves all sorts of space :)
Apple just did that with M1
Better yet, make the chasis the cooler like the MacBooks M1, specially the Air M1.
Riley always puts a smile on my face
My 3080 laptop has even more vram than available on the desktop cards at 16GB. I'm not a gamer but an architecture student who needs to run real-time render engines that take up at least 8GB on a developed, single building 3D model. As a student, I cant use a desktop because I need to be in class 6+ hours a day so a laptop is the only option. Clock speeds and cores on my 3080 mobile are slightly lower than the desktop card, but it runs at 125W, the highest I've seen in a laptop and performs nearly the same if not better than a desktop 3070 with twice the vram for the applications I use. I think the major issue is not that the mobile versions are inherently weaker or worse, its that they vary so much in terms of specs from laptop to laptop. For example, you might find a 3080 mobile that runs at 60W and another that runs at 125W. So if you don't know exactly what to look for, or if the manufacturer does not openly disclose that information, you could definitely end up getting screwed over.
Whats the processor and make model of the laptop?
@@mofkergt Its the 2021 4K 120Hz Zephyrus S17 (GX703-xb99). It has an i9 11900H with 3TB SSD and 32GB memory. This model has some very unique cooling features that allow it to take such high power loads.
Gaming laptops' efficiency are at peak on the RTX 20-Series. Given the limited space of standard laptops, adding more power to it doesn't really equate to higher performance neither efficiency anymore.
My laptop 3080 is absolutely not as powerful as a desktop 3080, and I never expected it to be. However, it has 16GB of VRAM versus what I believe to be 10GB in its desktop counterpart. How on earth did that happen?
Only 3080 ti laptop had 16 GB of VRAM and it was the fastest mobile GPU at the time, hence the increased memory capacity. it had quite a bit of a price premium over 3080 laptop, so the extra memory was supposed to justify what you were paying for.
This is the PERFECT moment. Im gonna need a rig for solidworks. Laptop vs desktop. Budget around 1500. Any recommendations or specs.
*note: only need it for ONE year.
For the laptop i'll only be running solidworks. If a Pc, The pc, solidworks and daily browsing, maybe light gaming.
Desktop. With that budget you could probably get either a 12700 or 5800X tier CPU from either vendor, but the important part will be the graphics. If you're only running solidworks seriously, then you'll want to go for either a Quadro card from Nvidia (probably the A2000) or a Radeon Pro from AMD (probably a WX 7100 or thereabouts). The Nvidia one is more likely to have received special attention from both Nvidia and Solid Solutions to absolutely guarantee its performance in Solidworks. Past that, focus on getting as much DDR4 as you can get your hands on. It won't need to be blazing fast, you just a large quantity of it, like 32GB+. With this system, prioritise the GPU from a professional line first, the memory quantity second, and then everything else only needs to be like mid tier at best latest gen and compatible
I don't really want to disagree with TAP7a because they sound like they know what there talking about but I believe any current enterprise segment GPU is going over your budget by it's self and I think in your first year your not going to learn how to stress an entry level gaming GPU in the $500 range. I'm assuming your new to solidworks or you wouldn't be asking.
I have been using solidworks for the past 2 years on a light basis in school, but i will have final exams (high school) where it would be beneficial to have solidworks at home. Thats why i need it for one year (at least). I need it to be able to do the basics, such as 3d modeling and assemblies. The realistic rendering will most likely be done with the school pc. THANKS
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As a laptop gamer, I love small power units :) the future is bright! But or course I respect the big boys on the desktop
I have serveral laptops and I've used some powerful desktops and what i noticed in regards to laptops is they come out the box set to produce the most power to get the most out of the cpu and gpu but this causes more heat that can lead to pre mature failure what ive done to fix this issue is changing the power registry and disabling boost processor power mode when plugged in and turned processor power minimum when plugged in to 100% and maximum both to 100% not only do i run badly optimized games that would reach close to 92c at 60c now but even emulators that would start up sounding like a jet was taking off run at around 45c max when they were😮 running at 90c and this was tested with a low end laptop that got bad reviews ive seen no performance loss and ive been happy with my laptop running cool and being able to llay games without checking the temps every 5 min.
"Why do that when you can mislead the consumer". Which is exactly why they do it.
My Lenovo Legion 7i with an i9 11980HK and RTX 3080 uses a 300W power brick.
How bad does it throttle ?
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@@the1observer It actually doesn't throttle at all. The vapor chamber keeps it nice and cool. I average anywhere from 60c to 80c and my 3080 never goes past 75c.
@@Darkhalo314 that's impressive, have you tried undervolting the gpu ?
And it can run on a 100w type c charging brick as well. The dGPU won't work at full power though.
Hey I have that laptop too :))
My i7 8750 and GTX 1070 still hold up great. I don't see myself upgrading for another year or two, I don't care about raytracing and 4K that much. I can wait...
What maccies you go to? Never had a big mac that looked that good.
Efficiency is the true advancement, Not power!
Gaming Desktops for longevity are the best. Better cooling also and more stable performance in the long run
I thought NVidia used the tag "Max-Q" to distinguish laptop GPUs from the desktop counterpart. That was an easy naming scheme that lets buyers know it's not exactly the same as the original GPU it was based on. Sad they phased that out.
my current laptop the has the 2070Max Q designation makes finding info on it a breeze and i agree they should have kept it
From what I've learned, Max-Q is indeed Laptop/Mobile only, but it is a lower-power variant of the Laptop versions. I have a 2070 in my laptop, which is faster and uses more power than a 2070 Max-Q, but is still different from a desktop 2070 (it might also contain less CUDA cores in addition to lower clocks, but that depends on the specific model I believe)
For laptops there was max q and max p so there were different options for them
I love my legion 5. It was under $800 and has a GTX 1650ti. No ray tracing or anything but I get 100 fps in games like prey and borderlands at the highest settings. Of course rocket league gets a couple hundred. My display is 1080p so I don't need 1440
I still feel that the naming of mobile gpus should reflect the equivalent desktop gpu that matches it's performance. So maybe that mobile 3080TI should be called a 3070 for non technical people looking what to buy.
recently got a zephyrus g14 2022 6700s and i love it
For the love of God don't get the solidworks maker edition. It's beyond janky and you will get even less support than the 1500$/Year users. Apply for the student flversion of their free entrepreneur edition.
Because I'm in school and needed portability, I did go for a gaming laptop. It's honestly amazing! The only downside is the battery isn't that great! 😭 But I usually have a power outlet, so that's alright.
Never had a gaming laptop until I picked up an Asus ROG Zephyrus G14 for $899. The amount of power this thing has in such a small package is insane. Plus it is my college, work, gaming and coding all-in-one.
One point to clarify, TDP isn't the amount of power a card consumes. And typically there is no power in the calculation of TDP.
I'm guessing that there are also diminishing returns with higher TDPs on graphics cards? So a desktop card with a tdp of 300W won't be thrice as fast as a laptop equivalent card at 100W.
Yeah the power brick on my work Dell G15 Ryzen w/ the 3060 is a chonk. The weight and bulk of the whole setup reminds me of friends’ parents’ laptops in the late 90s
Turning off high shadows and other features that don;t really matter
Can we talk about the true insanity of mobile GPU branding really is? This isn't a 10-15% difference.
A 3080ti mobile is effectively the same perf as a 2080?
Or a 3080ti ‘Max Q” is effectively a 1080ti/2070 Super!?! Literally 50% the performance of a desktop 3080ti!
And that’s all at max designed power limits! Nevermind all of the companies that then undervolt/clock them to fit into lower thermal envelops with ZERO disclosure to the customer!
And as usual, tuning gets no mention and how amd never had it for mobile parts, and intel took it away.
Because otherwise earlier you could reduce temps by 10-15 degrees simply by clever undervolting to both CPU and GPU on laptops.
Yeah my 2060 in my laptop is not as fast as a desktop 2060 but it's a laptop. Yeah I know that a desktop is faster but I can travel with my laptop and I can game on it and get a good experience doing so, so it's fine. The tradeoffs with a laptop are not a problem if you need the mobility. I work in an industry where I need to have a computer that I can bring with me and I needed an upgrade for my home system. It just made sense to retire the old laptop and get a gaming laptop which wasn't too expensive either because the market for these kinds of systems has gotten really competitive. I will likely build a desktop too but I don't have to urgently now. The laptop gives me some wiggle room and I can be more discerning with my purchases now. I don't recommend gaming laptops for everyone but I do recommend them.
I bought a laptop with a GTX 1650 in it and I love it. Glad I didn't pay more.
The problem is they reduce the power used instead of increasing the performance further and matching the same power usage on desktop versions. It's not that we got desktop performance on laptops. We got laptop performance on desktops but it's disguised as the opposite thing.
I still can't get over how much power my 3050 equipped laptop has.
“Confusing branding” = purposefully misleading marketing
If I got a gaming laptop can I consistently upgrade the GPU ?
2:46
I have the same laptop and it goes upto 330w of power.
As a computer rookie, I must admit that I thought 4070 and 4070 mobile is the samething, until I use it.
F you nvidia
They can just compair them and name them acordingly if a laptop 4090 have 4070 ti power
Call it a fkn 4070 ti idc if people want the best of the best gpu just make the 4070 ti the top of the line gpu for laptops
That explains why my Alienware m17 R3 fitted with RTX 2080 Super Max-Q has the PSU powered at 330 Watts 🤔
I did once uninstall Max-Q and installed the Max-P official NVIDIA GeForce driver software but doing so cause my graphic card to overheat. 🙄
I like Big Macs
The reality big mac looks far yummier then the ad version.
still flat pins is at disadvantage of GPU cards and it often easy to get broke
and of course it's because Modern moderboard GPU sockets are not upgrading either
hoping for something like audio jack like socket or HDMI or something even better that looks pretty solid tsk
It's crazy to think that 2012 was 10 years ago. My brain still thinks we are in 2016.
0:02 acer predator 21 x disagrees with this... it's old now with 1080s but it's been done :)
I was curious about this, nice
During 2019 I bought an Asus tuf fx504gm, it thermal throttle like crazy until during January of this year when it no longer wanted to boot.
I've should bought a desktop instead.
To sum it up, the RTX 3080 mobile is 6% slower than a desktop 1080ti
Yikes
This video also works as an advertisement for underclocking your GPU.
As long as the thing plays what I need, I don't care if I'm on a laptop or desktop.
but how to know for sure about the laptop you mean to buy?
I really wish manufacturers would make
A thin version of a gaming laptop and a thicker version with the same specs
Why, so it doesn’t thermal throttle
Isnt asus zephyrus and strix is basically just that . Are you talking about similar design ?
I am using a Laptop with an RTX 3080 and while you definitely cant expect the Desktop Performance, its still absolutely fine for playing anything I throw at it, especially since I chose the 1080p Panel. But yeah, dont expect a 450 Watt Graphics Card in a Laptop, not gonna happen.
It is very old information that power supplies work best at 50% load. Most high quality power supplies nowadays have rather flat efficiency curve. For example my psu has perhaps 1% efficiency difference between 10% load and 50% load.
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i have one big question i want you help answer. which is better an old flagship gaming pc or a new budget gaming pc... both being around the same price today??????
new budget
There was me just three ago had a issue with power but I did not know that. We check everything. But then I thought why does it goes off when I am gaming for some time; maybe there was an issue with the temperature; although it was the temperature but in the end we found out that GPU was drawing too much power than it should because it was heating everything too much, the maximum power it was sucking was 300-400 watt So we just had to get a new computer overall- as it was already almost five years ago. There was no warranty. And I only had 700W
What the best thick laptop now these days? I haven't look into them long time
It's actually depressing and sad that Riley is the only person who ever told me "I miss you" in my entire life...
i still have that exact Alienware lmaoooo it kept up for a decade literally .......i still produce my music on it , had 3gb VRAM in 2011 when ppl said it was a waste lmaooooo jokes on them
impressive! My Dell G15 5511 gaming laptop holds up quite well even after 5 months of heavy use lol.
@@motherchuckair404 lol 😆 it's a gamble with these things aye?
@@DonaldHendleyBklynvexRecords the fans do get annoying and every time they ramp up i get concerned my laptop's lifespan is going down when that CPU reaches 100C when gaming or running demanding apps and programs. Is it normal for it to reach that temperature? Is my laptop going to last years like this? I don't know
@@motherchuckair404 mines started freaking out years ago until I got an cooling plate for it , those cheap laptop cooler things n all was ok again, a repaste is probably recommended for both of us
@@DonaldHendleyBklynvexRecords I'll start looking for some thermal paste when my laptop reaches a reasonable age (e.g 1 year) and i'll replace its thermal paste to see if it'll make a difference.
1080 vs 3080 mobile GPUs is just another example of the absolute superiority that Pascal had over what came before and after.
As far as I'm aware, my laptop actually has a full rtx 2070 in it, not the laptop version. As nest as that is, I'll never see the benefit of it because I'm constantly limited by the system draws. The power brick it uses supplies 230 watts and even though I've undervolted the GPU &. CPU and replaced the thermal paste with liquid metal, the laptop draws too much power and throttles the system anyway. Still powerful enough to play whatever I want on, but at the cost of being a chonky laptop, with a chonky power brick, and it won't last long on its own if you try to run it on battery alone with the discrete gpu enabled.
I actually wondered if buying a larger power supply for the laptop would help, maybe a 300 watt one or more if they are out there, but they're pretty expensive and I'm not certain that the manufacturers don't limit the amount of Power the laptop will draw from the brick to the amount that came on its factory brick. If anyone knows that'd be cool
Why would you need a more powerful supply to limit the power draw...
i see, your a Dassault Systems user of culture as well
>demanding titles
>siege
Hey guys does gaming while connected to the wall socket too much kills or damage the Laptop battery ?
Nah its straight to the laptop machine not the battery laptop!
Thanks Riley!
Thank you for the video!
Informative video, but I didn't get what I wanted to know. Is the visual quality of games is the same between Laptops and Desktops?
Ex: Ultra RTX settings (Desktop 3070ti) = Ultra RTX settings (Laptop 3070ti) ?
"High end gpu don't need much power nowdays" yeah, that statement aged very (not) well.
Bozo efficiency did go up your only complaining about high end card(3080-3090 ti) that no one force you to buy. If you actually check newer card this year their efficiency is much much better compare to last gen if were talking about perf/watt. Also undervolting exist