Everyone have me a lot of flak about there being no break in process necessary on this engine. I made this video a year ago, here is a video from a couple months ago interviewing a Stellantis engineer where he says the exact same thing. Happy now? th-cam.com/video/jSheFdCs-lc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Kq3yMNO7D_-vsXsp 29:30
I'm a whole lot less concerned about the tone coming out the exhaust as I am the overall longevity and reliability of the engine combined with long-term maintenance costs.
I guess when you are a technician like the creator who can repair anything wrong with an engine you have the luxury of caring more about exhaust tones.
@@mattbakerg im much more worried about Dodge thinking they can reliably manufacture a engine that is twin turbo and dual cam and whooopity whoo. Cuz yknow Dodge is SO well known in the automotive world for the badass power capacity and reliable 1000hp 2JZ supra engine. Oh shit, i screwed that all up. Dodge ISN'T at all known for any sort of reliability as of the last maybe 5-7years. Certainly not the minivans and trucks
It's good to see that there are still dealership technicians as yourself that tell the truth about the product. I worked for Chrysler for 42 years, left 12 years ago and haven't looked back. I don't think there is anything reliable to any extent being built anymore. Everything is overly complicated and the worst part is most manufacturers don't have service departments that can repair these new vehicles. Good smart techs who care (this is an important feature) are few and far between. I'm still active in the trade and see things that drive me crazy everyday.
There's no question that you're correct, the number of qualified techs is diminishing by the day. It doesn't help that the level of pay has not increased apace with the level of technical skills required.
I did 10 years with Chrysler/ Plymouth/ Dodge/ Jeep- left 17 years ago- competent , skilled, reliable techs are hard to come by these days . Cars are more complex today and there are a lot more careers out there that pay better and are far less strenuous on your body. 👍🏻👍🏻
I've own Chrysler products for most of my life with few exceptions and have always done my own work to avoid the mechanics that think they are smarter than the engineers and worked from manuals for the most parts. Every engine has its little quirks and resolving those issues is a plus and comes with experience with each engine. The engine I once owned, and miss was my 1967 426 Hemi, solid lifters always set at .028 intake and .032 exhaust cold. Loved the sound and the complaints from everyone that there was something wrong with my engine because it was not supposed to sound like it did.
I work at a dealership. Regarding the reliability, I'll just say this. This isn't specific to the engine, but the Wagoneers have had continuous technical service bulletins and engineering updates. They come out on an almost weekly basis. Some apply only to specific trims and build dates, some apply to a lot more of them. Many are minor, like software updates to fix little glitches or improve heated seat performance. Or updated door handle cables, or adding a zip tie to a wiring harness. Others more major. This may sound really bad if you aren't familiar with the more technical side of new vehicle releases. But almost every automaker has issues in a new product launch. Stellantis Jeep is keeping on top of these things and watching closely for repeat or pattern problems. Which in the long run could make for a good vehicle if the bones are inherently solid. I imagine they're taking a similar approach for the engine, which is likely why it's only rolled out in one vehicle platform so far.
@@ReignitedAuto my pot smoking stay at home friend you’re getting high way too much and I can tell you don’t know anything because you’re not familiar with the Ford triton engines that Ford engineered with disastrous problems for a decade or the two failed power stroke diesel‘s one of which was discontinued on the second year yeah you might want to get educated or at least try to or maybe you’re not familiar with all of the Chevy SUVs and cars that have ridiculous problems and are being rebuilt at 30 to 50,000 miles which is a breaking for an average Chrysler you forget who has 35 year old jeeps on the road and look around in your town. I guarantee you you’re looking at Dodge Durango‘s that are 20 years old that people drive and forget about them. Mine has 300,000 miles on it and has yet to even put a water pump on it so my friend friend or my Chevy junk driver you’re clueless.
Straight 6 engines are very stable and tend to last a long time. Tuned correctly, they can put out well into the 700 800 HP range. They are building out 4.0 jeep engines that can get close to 1000 HP right now in the aftermarket.
For what this is worth, Motorweek reviewed the Grand Wagoneer with both the 6.4 Hemi and the 3.0 TT Hurricane. The Hemi ran 5.7 0 to 60, the Hurricane 4.9. Quarter mile 14.1 for the Hemi and 13.5 for the Hurricane, finally traps were 99 for the Hemi and 104 for the Hurricane.
With each announcement and move by Stellantis for the Trucks and SUVs the more my heart sinks. They should keep the 5.7 Hemi with as an entry level and just replace the pentastar with the Hurricane. Offer a smaller V8 turbo setup. They’re just killing off the golden goose that brought people over to Dodge, Ram, Jeep.
@@TomazHilton The hurricane 6 has direct injection, turbo charging, and EGR. It also uses high pressure fuel delivery and cylinder deactivation. That’s all well and good on paper but that’s a lot of expensive equipment that’s going to be difficult to repair. It’s designed to run hotter to reduce emissions, but it reduces the service life of the components. A stock gen 3 Hemi is relatively simple to maintain and mod without breaking the bank and can last well over 300,000 miles if properly maintained. Its been around 20 years so there’s plenty of affordable aftermarket parts and mods. It’s not always about power and fuel cost, the cost and easy of repairs make a big difference.
@@TomazHilton they can keep it, I’ve done enough wrenching to know the simpler an engine is the less trouble it is to keep going and the Hemi is as simple as they get today. Plus the I6 needs 91 octane to get the max horsepower & torque and isn’t much better mpg wise. My modded Ram 1500 hemi will do 16-18 mpg city and 23-25 mpg highway doing 70 mph on eco88. The I6 is just an overcomplicated expensive answer for emissions.
As you said at the start, this engine is in a luxury $112,000.00 vehicle. The majority of the people buying this level of vehicle don't want or care about how snarly the engine sounds. I would bet that this engine will sound a lot different when placed in a performance vehicle.
The turbos themselves will act to muffle out any good exhaust note, to smooth it out. Now, working over a muffler at the manufacturing level can bring some of the exhaust note out, but it will never be the same as a good-running V8
Thanks for the review. And I totally agree with not liking the 3.0 over a hemi. It’s just like when I went from a 3.7 pentastar charger to a 5.7. I wish I would of done it sooner. I can’t ever get tired of the rumble and the feel of a hemi.
The Pentastar 3.7 is not a performance engine. But is a very poorly designed engine. It has a lot of design problems and a lot of failure points. I have a 2003 Mustang with the 3.8L pushrod V6. It is a solid engine that does have one problem. Because it uses a cast iron block and aluminum heads, which expand at different rates, they tend to have head gasket failures. Ford should have used cast iron heads and they would have had a bulletproof engine. My head gaskets have been replaced with some of a much newer design that are supposed to hold up to the different expansion rates of the block and heads much better. So far so good. It is not hard to change the head gaskets on the Ford 3.8L, because it is a pushrod design, and there are no overhead cams, multiple 5 foot long cam chains, guides, and tensioners to deal with. No variable valve timing either.
@@ItsDaJax I'm 63, and totally old school. I believe engines should be built out of iron. I have built old school small block Chevys that lasted past 500,000 miles with just normal maintenance (oil changes every 3000 miles) and replacing the timing chain every 70,000 miles.
@@geraldscott4302 Nothing wrong with an all iron engine- they seem to be able to hold boost really well, if anything. When I think performance, I want something light. Although sometimes you don't have a choice and iron it is, if what you want only comes that way. I think a steel block would be a good medium, honestly.
Although a well tuned V8 with the right cam sounds great, like the 1950's, 1960's and 1970 through 1972 vehicles, a straight six will last just as long if not longer. More main caps holding the crank and typically a longer stroke in an online 6 help it last a long time and make them strong, sometimes stronger. P.S. I'll take it (also take the 4cyl) over a damn ev any day.
My 5.7 is paired with a cold air intake and a Magnaflow exhaust. I love starting my truck each day, and I can’t see myself driving a truck with a smaller engine. There’s no replacement for displacement. 💪🏻
I own a redeye charger and I've bought inline 6 turbo bmws for dailies for 10+yrs. I'm excited to see how dodge does with this, inline 6s can be wonderful.
i have a 5.7 hemi. Was thinking of camming it this year and turboing next. But idk if i want to now cause I've always loved TT I6's. Im on the fence now. What's your experience with v8's vs i6's?
@@tstproductions2913 Hemis are simple and cheap to fix/replace. TT I6s are more mechanically complex, and we don't know the reliability of the new engine yet. It should be fine though. If you want more power and don't mind the slight lag, get the TT I6. If you just want low end torque and the rumble of a V8, stick with the hemi.
@@V8_Diva im tired of you people who think a v8 is needed for a muscle car, 69 charger 440 had like 230rwhp... using power as the baseline, a prius is a formidable muscle car. Having the main goal as performance with more power to weight than the similar year commuter cars. I had a factory lt350 81 camaro that due to California laws had to have a buick 231 (gm called it a 350eq), thing with a new top end and aggressive cam, dual exhaust, hei upgrade, had around 400rwhp with a v6, n/a. A charger with 500hp is a muscle car no matter the number of pistons. -sincerely a 65 nascar 413rb, 2 16+ 6.4 hemis, and a 5.7 hemi pre eagle owner
@@HansBelphegor I don't think you should go around assuming things about others and writing an entire essay arguing against someone you're making up in your own head. I don't personally give a fuck. I'm just saying that the way they advertise the car is going to have a BIG impact on whether people like it or not. If you throw a TT I6 into a Charger and advertise it as a luxury performance sedan, it will go over as well as any luxury performance sedan would. If you put that same engine in that same car and then say "new muscle", A) Muscle car buyers aren't buying it B) Luxury 4-door drivers aren't buying it either. It's not going to sell. You are winning shower arguments here dude.
I am excited about this new engine. I have always felt like inlne six cylinder engines have been excellent for power and durability. I would love to drive one myself to see how it performs. Thanks for the review, good to hear your thoughts about it.
To everyone who can't seem to fathom why I'm wearing gloves 😄: I'm a tech at a dealership and I wear these gloves every day, I filmed this video while on break during a workday. 👍
I completely agree with you. I’ll take the 392. What’s funny to me is that they could have made a twin turbo fully forged lower compression block made for much cheaper than it took to make the hurricane. Then just transfer over an electric motor for the front wheels making it awd hybrid. Best of all worlds yet chose the bmw way with out the years of experience having the majority of your clients loving v8 🤣. Bad business move dodge. the sad part is the majority of people would rather by a caravan or a gas efficient clunker that’s slow than a v8 muscle car. Yeah blame the people being cool with bs average mommy mini vans which is sadly the majority. Which proves my point in nearly every aspect for population in nearly every realm of life it’s a fact that maybe 20% of people are smart the other 80% not so much. Case in point the state of our country and the choices that lead us here yet dudes still there 🤣. Facts are America has changed quite a bit from being gun toting driving Mach 2 with your hair on fire listening to metal driving a big loud v8 with you middle finger in the sky is over. Now we’re more worried about color, sex changes, identification, and thugin to know what’s good for the majority of people not just what’s good for a select group screwing or canceling everyone else. If it were up to me I would kick out all manufacture that aren’t American then make them pay to ship here. Then all American made out side the us for a buck and shipped in will be discounted to the public as it is lower quality. Then build everything by hand built quality then exported plus sold domestic the way it was intended. Prices will be higher but so will pay. Can even upmark our cars to outside countries because they will perform better cutting the cost to the American providing jobs and closing boarders so our generations can continue to be able to enjoy land in the future without over population. Crazy how that works everything is tied together in the world which can reflect in a countries sold goods and economy even down to the vote. Sorry for the book. Anyways thanks for the new vehicle info man. As always great content have a wonderful day 👍.
Does the new inline 6 need higher than 89 octane? This will be great in the Jeep Wrangler and Gladiator. I could care less about any other application in any other vehicles. I see various people making these videos with everything but a Wrangler or Gladiator which both have the terrible V6 junk in them . This i6 will be a huge seller in the Gladiator or Wrangler, but it sure would be nice to see Jeep throw one in and get a video out.
@@vicranger6876 I think it will be a better motor than the 3.6. Comes forged with boost. Already better for those vehicles not the hellcat or anything else heavy but jeeps sure. Not to say they can’t. As far as running on lower octane probably will be able to. You can tune it to if you don’t like it I’m sure.
Inline 6 motors tend to be more undersquare design ( long stroke, smaller bore ) due to the packaging limits of a longer engine. Whereas the 6.4 hemi is actually slightly oversquare giving it different characteristics on how it will rev
I bought a '21 Power Wagon. It comes with the 392, though it is tuned for truck use. I had already heard that they would be discontinuing the HEMI, and I wanted one. I love it! Straight six and straight five engines are very well balanced, but there is no emotional attachment. They are boring. They don't have the same kind of torque, either. Change for the sake of change is stupid. I didn't want power adders, like the supercharger, for many different reasons. I don't want to have to deal with turbos either. Cost of operation, maintenance and reliability is ridiculous for power adders. Premium fuel. Then there are all the extra computer chips. Just like electric vehicles. The smart play was to continue developing hybrid cars with gas and electric. Formula 1 is making great advances that would end up in everyone else's cars. Instead, they are trying to force full electric down our throats, while taking away our V-8s, V-10s and V-12s. Ratbastards.
I loved having straight six cylinder Jeeps throughout the years the 4.0 being the best it was perfect for a Jeep of that era. Built for the long haul. Most of them are bulletproof.
If you get a Jeep Wrangler with this engine and try to use it on a jeep trail, or even just a dirt road at low speeds, you will run into the problem of low engine speed (typically around 1000-1500 rpm off road) the engine speed will be insufficient to get the turbos to pressurize, thus you're effectively running a 3-liter, 6 cylinder engine on natural aspiration, and it will not perform well in that application. What all Jeep off-roaders want is an engine with LOTS of torque at low engine speeds, but anybody's turbo does not deliver any torque at creeping over rocks speeds. I live in a small town in the Colorado mountains, and the local Jeep dealer doesn't even stock Wranglers with the optional Turbo-4 engine. This engine has good power at speed under load, but as far as going off road on Jeep trails, it has the power of a lawnmower. When the Turbo4 was first offered on Wranglers the dealer ordered one, but it grew cobwebs because nobody had any faith in what performance it would deliver offroad. Even with "real rockcrawling enthusiasts" you will never see one of their rock-crawlers running a turbo; its either a good-sized V8 with natural aspiration, or with a positive displacement supercharger which delivers positive boost even at idle.
I bet you it isn't as soft down low as you thought - I bet in order to get decent fuel economy, they are really lazifying the throttle response. Combined with it weighing over 3 tons and costing over $100k, they probably want to tune it to get as much gas mileage as possible. I would venture to say if you tuned the throttle mapping, it would wake it up a lot. Also, I've willing to bet that the turbos are sized small to help get that large torque rating, but by doing that, the turbo becomes a hair dryer about 5700 RPM where the snails are probably outside of their efficiency island. I thought it sounded actually really nice for a turbo I6, but the problem is that nowadays you can't trust your ears because so many of the manufacturers pipe in fake engine sounds. However the outside the vehicle test doesn't lie, and it did sound weaker. However, compared to ford's 3.5L Ecoboost, it sounds amazing. The fords sound incredibly bad anytime you mess with the exhaust. Also sound wise, I really hate the sound of DI engines, they have that annoying high pitch tapping from the fuel pump and the injectors. Granted PFI engines aren't without their own injector rattles, but they sound more "normal" to me at idle. Cost wise, the number of components are reduced, so for example, compared to an OHC V6 (Like the pentastar) you only have two cams, two cam phasers, and likely a single or double timing chain compared to two or four (e.g. crank to both cams or crank to one cam, then cam1 to cam2). Also have a single valvecover, and possibly a single cat (Unless they throw in a pup convertor immediately after the turbo).
So, a $112,000+ gas guzzling land barge that you have to drive directly to a tuner to get decent performance? Man, oh man, am I glad I got my 2021 R/T Shaker when I did. I totally love my stick shift 5.7L baby hemi! At age 75 this will definitely be my last car and it's been a smile a mile so far. Sounds like the Stelantis marketing strategy is to sell to yuppies who have more money than brains. There's certainly no shortage of those so it could be a solid business plan. I came of age in the 1950's when hot rods were the new thing. And I'll be leaving this earth in a few years with a still new hemi challenger that I totally love. It's been a great ride! Feel bad for my grandchildren but this is the brave new world that they wanted.
Dude you are comparing an SUV To a car and a inline 6 to a V8. Not only that an inline 6 that puts down more power than your V8 and saying it lacks performance.
@Wolf G. yeah, this was a weird comment. Put the 5.7 or the PW 6.4 in this, and the performance would realistically be worse with even worse fuel economy to top it off. And a 6-figure luxury car is supposed to be quiet, this isn't marketed to muscle and sports car owners lmao
Typically, inline engines have a longer stroke that tends to create higher torque. This also limits the revs that the engine can endure. This is why the rev limit is lower. The turbos also result in higher low-end torque. This means that when you push the accelerator pedal, the first thing that happens is that the rise in air flow results in more exhaust flow that causes the turbos to spin faster. This in turn, results in more air flow that results in more exhaust flow that causes the turbos to spin faster and so on. All this without really changing the speed of the engine. This is different to what occurs in a naturally aspirated engine where opening the throttle lowers the intake manifold pressure which limits air flow into the engine. In this case, to increase the air flow the engine RPMs must be raised to pump more air into the engine. He complains that the revs a low, but the engine is producing 500 HP and 500 ft-lbs of torque. That is amazing for a 3-liter engine. This also means that if driven conservatively, it can get better fuel economy than a V8 driven in the same manner. Another thing, Lower RPMs means lower friction. Friction results in more heat (wasted energy) and more wear. This results in higher economy and longer life.
@@tomdell9836 You are correct. I haven't seen any curves, but I would suspect the turbo engine will still create more torque at a lower rpm by nature. The naturally aspirated engine will need to rev to get more air into the engine. This means more friction and parasitic losses at higher rpms. The turbo will be more efficient.
Thank You for taking the time to make this video. Just my thoughts, car companies now days do what they can to keep EVERYBODY satisfied whether it be an inline 6 or an EV and either way, car enthusiasts that love the V8 sound/horsepower lose without compromise.
They do to the engines what the Government will allow them. Not what the people want. But what the Government will make laws to get what they instruct them to build. The sar Company`s have bent over backwards since the 70`s and met all their law requirements. Gas mileage and emissions. But here we are in 2023 and the line continues to move. Late 2000s and we had Hemis with 375 plus HP and 26 mpg. A long way from the 70s 375 HP and 13 mpg. But not good enough for big Government. Never will be until they have total control over everything we do. What did happen to " We the People"? When will we say enough is enough?
I think the price is as crazy as the year we live in. The older I get the more sense a 60’s or early 70’s muscle car makes. Or an older truck. $112,000 would buy 2-3 older autos and simplicity rules. Can EFI them if you want. I got 19mpg hwy in my 1970 Mach1 351C 4 speed with 325 rear end. Not cheap anymore but hell of a lot cooler than an overpriced Wagoneer. Just my opinion. Oh yeah great video I like your straightforward style.
I’m curious to see if this is a real competitor to the BMW X5/X6. Speaking of BMW, they got away from a twin turbo 3.0L (N54) as that engine demonstrated numerous reliability and cost of ownership issues relating to the itty bitty turbos vs the comparable, and eventually superior performance they achieved with a much more reliable twin-scroll single turbo setup. (N55/B58) Still, your point on engines being somewhat subjective is valid. Plenty of enthusiasts enjoy the sound of a healthy in-line 6 makes at full load while appreciating how docile they get when just idling/cruising. Seems like a good fit for a luxury SUV.
I like quiet! Have owned a half dozen Rams with the Hemi and just bought a new 25 Ram SST Hurricane. This thing is a rocket and I dont miss the V/8 noise at all.😊
Engine sound is such a big piece of driving enjoyment, it’s tough to find something with less cylinders that can compete in that department with V8’s. But I’d still like to see the hurricane engine in a smaller RWD platform to see what it can do 👍 Maybe something Supra sized lol
A major feature of the V8 is sound alone, yes EV can be faster but they feel soulless... Combustion engines from a Vespa all the way to a Bugatti have that X factor that is unrelated to performance.
I wonder if this HO version will be offered in the Ram 1500? Over 500HP in a somewhat affordable half ton pick-up would be an easy sell. I think Ram really dropped the ball by never offering the 6.4 in the 1500. I know there's the TRX but not everyone needs 700HP and all the off road capabilities in that trim level. Also the TRX, at 100K is not really affordable for many people. They could have offered a Scat Pack, Rumble Bee or SRT package on the Big Horn or Rebel trim level and kept it somewhat affordable.
@@pwned2002 The 6.4 doesn't compete with the 7.3 it competes with the 6.2 and the new 6.8 and the chevy 6.6. This engine would likely not last in an HD truck either it's just too small. Powerful yes but it wouldn't hold up to heavy towing all the time. They need a new large displacement engine possibly the new gas version of the 6.7 cummins or a new 426 hemi.
I think the inline is a cool idea and if we think back, pretty much every inline 6 out there has been known as super reliable engines, so hopefully these thing continue tradition. I always loved and still love the jeep 4.0s, but you have to know what you're driving and adjust expectations. I love my Hemi as well though but would love to drive one of these some day
I’m trying to contact you. I have a ‘20 1500 Classic 2 door short bed 5.7. It’s not remotely quick. 2 years old with 5,500 miles and I’m ready to give up because of the pain it is to get a tune. Anyway, my solution is the torqstorm supercharger. The big one that runs 600 bwh. If I can get it done I’m guessing $10k should do it. I would love to pick your brain to ask is this worth the effort and money? Any mods to a classic is a task to begin with but it’s already paid off and selling, I’ll lose my ass. Am I better off to dump it and build a blazer Xtreme with a 500 HP LS swap?
Yes, but which of them have twin turbos? Most small displacement turbo engines have huge problems. Lotus tried to do it. Ford tried to do it. I have my doubts that FCA can do it. I admit I am a hemi fan.
@@Bpf1893I did forget about the Toyota. It seems that the recipe is all the same materials and strong so to eliminate heat issues from forced induction and faster moving internals. I'd rather have a hemi
I'm a little surprised on the lack of low end punch. Usually inline engines have great low end torque. Not surprised the turbo power comes in the mid tho. I recall the caliber SRT was the same way vs the neon SRT. Like he said tuning can fix it all if you wish.
I own both the v6 charger and V8 ram and I don't put one over the other. I got my car for great gas mileage which it has and I got the truck for home projects but I really wanted a Cummins 6.7 but I refuse to pay 100K for a truck. I just don't understand why people get hung up on a "throaty high annoying sound" of a V8. Why would you let the cops know where you are speeding at?? I have a stock exhaust for my ram but I'm not complaining. It doesn't phase me because I impressed by the sound of a cold start diesel. Now that's a sound, that extremely low rhino waiting up in the morning grunt. I know the world will never agree with me and vice versa. I am not a speed freak either. I just prefer diesel torque that can pull a Walmart off its foundation. Until I get enough money saved, I'll hang on to the ram for now, but I won't jump on the bandwagon of other V8 owners putting down and disrespecting v6 and diesel owners. Not on my watch.
This is an under square in-line six, with peak torque and horsepower about the same ( which means at about 5252 r.p.m.), so there is no advantage reving much beyond that.
I have a 2017 ram 1500 with a 392 and I wouldn't trade for anything, AND also bought a 3500 ram Cummings dually for my business ( towing trailer) I'm loving it.
Just think newer badder ass 2jz. I bet if you do direct air intakes, a nice bigger flowing exhaust and tune. It would be a reliable 650 to 700 whp engine all day long. And heck you’d get the kids to soccer practice on time every time. 100# facts my guy
@@david92xj not if it makes 500 HP. A motor is motor it don't matter how many cylinders is got only how much air it can move. If they did put it in a smaller platform it would be so detune so they wouldn't get sued from wrecks. Even the gigantic boat hellcat is detuned for safety.
I have both - a 2012 Ram 5.7L hemi, a 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xe hybrid with 2.0 Turbo, and a 1986 Dodge Daytona Turbo Z with 2.2L Turbo and I like both. But I tend to prefer the Turbo engines to the V8. Both of my Turbo vehicles are notably faster, and yes they are lighter. And while the Jeep probably is my least favorite sound wise, my Daytona sounds just as good as the Hemi. If the sound is all you are going on, then you are missing out on the great acceleration of the Turbo. Yes, the turbos have the lag at first, but when the power comes on, it's like kicking in jet afterburners and I love that feeling. It's addictive.
The 3.0 vs ecodiesel your point may be on point except for one major thing the NO gas engine will ever compete when it comes to MPG or for that matter longevity!!! With being said I'll take any I6 over a V configuration anyway no matter gas or diesel!!!
Thanks for the video! I have the 6.4 in my Power Wagon. I wish it was quieter. Less noise is better! Power and reliability are important! Noise is just noise. It serves no actual purpose, except to say "look at me." I don't get it.
Motortrend: If you happen to remember reading our deep dive into the twin-turbo Hurricane I-6 engine and how it seriously upgrades the formerly V-8-only Jeep Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer, you'll probably remember our prediction about a potential crate motor version: "Setting aside fever dreams of modified examples delivering 1,000 hp, you can bet Stellantis' own performance gurus-SRT engineers-are going to try their darndest to squeeze every last pony from these new sixes. We certainly can't wait to see it." Well, it didn't take long for Stellantis' Direct Connection factory upgrade program to make the "HurriCrate I-6" available as a crate offering. Well, actually, three crate engines-including one "1,000-plus-hp" version.
As someone that went from a HEMI challenger to a BMW turbo I6 I've got to say it has more power on the low end and virtually zero turbo lag. It's got more torque through almost the entirety of the torque curve than my old 5.7 HEMI despite similar max numbers on the dyno
I bought my wife the grand wagoneer specifically for the 392. Hopefully the tuners will get with the program and tune for a whipplecharger! looking for the 800hp hellwagon! The MPG is already terrible... I want the blower whine!
I'm really hoping they bring this powertrain to the Wrangler. I'd trade in our ecodiesel rubicon for one no doubt. I'd love to get a 392 rubicon but they are just too far out of our price range. I got the diesel for the torque, and love it for that. But if these packs the same torque, or even near that of the diesel, but twice the HP then sign me up!
Rock crawlers such as the Wrangler Rubicon go up trails at low engine speeds. At low engine speeds there isn't much in the way of air intake or, especially, exhaust pressure. The engine is running at 1000-1500 rpms with the throttles closed. The result: at low throttle openings, there's almost no pressurized air pushing on the turbo impeller, so they're not pumping pressurized air into the engine. The result.? driving a Wrangler on Jeep trails will be like driving a normal aspiration small displacement straight 6. Turbos require substantial throttle openings to get enough pressure against the turbine wheel to pump in enough air to make a difference.
Put it in a Miata and it would be a blast to drive, but for the heavier suv or truck I’d rather have the supercharged v8 ( If I’ve got over a 100k to throw at a car the cost of fuel at 5 mpg shouldn’t be much of an issue)
I agree with your review...When has Dodge stopped the recommended break in? I have a 2021 Scat and the transbrake feature would not come on until the odometer reaches 500 miles. The manual states to avoid spirited driving over 55MPH. Also to avoid excessive idle. And this is a car that Dodge states you can go from the dealership to the dragstrip. 😕..It is a 1320 Scat Pack.
Thanks for taking the time to share this info. What is your take on the gas direct injection? I understand the increase in mileage and power, but not sure if the carbon build up and maintenance is worth it.
Fair comments all around, I'd say. I appreciate the back-to-back comparison. Judged purely as an auditory experience, what the 6.4L Hemi V-8 offers is far superior. But the 3.0L TT Hurricane I-6 is more in keeping with the way the industry is heading, and to me it sounds...acceptable. I keep telling myself it could be worse: They could be crazy enough to shove a four-cylinder engine into a truck that size. Don't laugh: GM is already doing with that with low-end Silverados and Sierras and what's now called the "TurboMax" engine, which I wouldn't touch with a barge pole. As for the EcoDiesel V-6 engine, buyers seem to have felt the same way you did about it, since Stellantis dropped the EcoDiesel completely after the 2023 model year.
When you let it just idle with the hood opened it sounded somewhat similar to the 6.7 Cummins idling. I have long liked a good turbo i4 and I think this twin turbo i6 would be awesome! I did also have a Hemi and I liked it for it's legitimate reasons but also my 5.7 Hemi didn't prove to be ultra reliable either.
In 70k miles when you have to pay $3000 to fix the misfires by having someone take off the intake manifold to walnut-blast the carbon off the valves, you're going to wish it wasn't GDI only. Alfa learned this the hard way, which is why their twin-turbo V6 went to PDI+GDI from 2020 onwards. Other than that, I think this sounds like a pretty reliable engine. Never going to be as reliable as a naturally-aspirated engine, but it will have better fuel economy. Also, I agree about the engine bay; my Alfa's bay is insane (especially since it's a 90-degree V6 mounted behind the front axel).. Obviously a huge Wagoneer will have some room.. Just wait till they put this engine in a smaller Jeep, it will be madness in there.
The direct injection issues are by far my biggest worry about this engine. I can't wait to see the first ones with 100k on them and see how they handle it. 👍
Hopefully it's well sorted, and does not suffer burned valves, oil consumption, or timing chain issues. Curious to see how far the wick can be turned up, before it self destructs.
@@allanb3222 Don't count your chickens before they hatch. History will show more than a few engines that were touted as groundbreaking, "Ward's 10 best list", and such, turned out to be lackluster, at best. I worked for CDJ when the Pentastar launched, myself, and two other techs were supposed to go to Dearborn for training, but none of the Pentastar powered vehicles would make a 4 hour trip across the state without going into limp mode before making it to Grand Rapids, and mind you, the training was for "Pentastar specialist" techs, who would go on to get screwed on warranty flat rate to replace cylinder heads by the hundreds. Same company, by the way. (Stellantis owns them, blah blah they own Fiat, and 15 others, too) I treat it with cautious optimism, only time will tell.
I worked for Federal-mogul when the Pentastar came out and we made the bearings for the engine. They were having so many issues that they started trying to blame parts suppliers like us. I have a 2012 JK that I bought used and it appears the driver side head has been replaced. I installed a supercharger at around 84,000 miles and it's at almost 134,000 miles now and seems to be doing fine.
As an owner of two hellcat powered vehicles I was impressed with this engine. I feel like you don't buy a grand wagoneer for sound of the engine rather lack of sound. It's very quite inside and smooth. I'm pretty sure I'll be ordering a 2024 grand wagoneer with that engine option.
Yea it's just a different type of power/feel altogether. I definitely think there's an audience for this engine, just don't think a lot of die hard Hemi guys will transfer over as you will.
I really wish that there was going to be overlap of the 5.7 and the hurricane. Knowing I'm going to be buying a new Durango here shortly for my wife I would like to see the hurricane on the road for a while before I have to get one.
@@ReignitedAuto I hope so. The performance of the Durango is one of the reasons she had liked them. I just am nervous buying a new, real world, untested engine. Who knows it may prove to be bullet proof. 🤞
In the 60s and 70s, Australia had a muscle car called the Valiant Charger which famously had a hemi straight six, and was quite fast. I see this engine as a spiritual successor to that one, and I hope it makes its way into some smaller lighter sports/muscle cars. As for the exhaust sound, this one is in a luxury suv so of course it doesn’t sound rowdy. Straight sixes can and do sound totally awesome with a decent exhaust, and the displacement has nothing to do with it, but this is a luxury suv for suburban moms who don’t want to hear it. I’d love to see this engine in a Challenger or Charger based on the Alfa Romeo Giulia platform.
Using a small 3 liter engine to haul all that weight means a stressed short engine life, wait and see. The Hemi made the Chrysler brands pop moving on to this engine is like a Hardley without the roar ! Some won't care until these over stressed engine croak !
Yep, if you need to look for any validation to the sage advice about waiting a couple of years after a brand new engine is released in order for all the bugs to be worked out and acceptable long-term reliability is achieved, look no further than when Chrysler introduced their new Pentastar 3.6L V6 about 12 years ago. Didn't take long for a swathe of valve-related cylinder-head failures to surface which required a partial redesign of the heads themselves (essentially beefing up the thickness and rigidity of the aluminum head material in certain areas), and it did indeed take a couple of years before that particular issue with the Pentastar was mainly rectified (many others still remain such as the high failure rate of the plastic oil cooler, but that's another story entirely).
I’m so glad they at least went with an I6. Mazda going to an I6, it’s great to see the inline making a comeback. They are so much smoother and sound so much better than a V6.
Turbo is a natural muffler... you can make a 3.0 liter engine sound nice, the Italians do it all. the time. 0-60 time is nearly second better in both versions so maybe not right off the line but within 5 seconds it goes. Can't wait until the powerplant isn't 6500lb brick.
I have a 2004 Durango with a 57 hemi with 300,000 miles on it. It still has the original starter alternator and water pump. And yes I haven’t done anything else to it so yeah anybody here tell me they’ve driven their Chevy or their Ford 1/3 that distance without major work done dodge Chrysler will always be the most reliable vehicles on the highway just look how many 20 year old Durango‘s and 35 year old jeeps are on the road take notice of how many 15 year old Fords that are no longer on the road. Only their diesel vehicles make it past 10 years and not without massive amount of money , and because the same people that worked in factories for the last 25 years have the same work ethic. Don’t build Chevy/Ford junk.
Have the 22 Wagoneer w 5.7 etorque as a loaner, went to buy new 24 w the v6 hurricane twin(420hp), what a huge difference in a very bad way, the 5.7 very quiet upfront under the hood, smooth power with very nice low end pull, the v6 noticeably louder with almost a rattle sound like youd hear from a much smaller type car, didnt pair well with this "big truck".....so differnt from the 5.7 and a turn off that i said "no" to the new purchase almost immediately, glad I had the 22 5.7 loaner to compare it to.
Wow, that’s a lot of power! But, I don’t care how much power in electric or small displacement turbo engines, I’m not having it. Gotta have the v8 sound.
I'm not trying to hate, but this really makes me wanna hold onto my Hemi even more. When shopping for a truck, I test drove the Tundra, F150, Silverado, and Ram. The Ram won out, followed by the Toyota, then the Chevy, and dead last, at least for me, was the Ford because it's also using a six cylinder turbo charged engine. Now, I know that the tuning isn't going to be the same, but the nature will be. For a zippy fastback small car, a turbo'd engine is great. In a big, heavy vehicle like a truck (or SUV), I found it underwhelming. Having to stay in the boost to actually take advantage of the power just wasn't a good experience. And I will say, the Hemi is simply...just amazing. It's wonderful.
Totally agree on engine options. But think of the average Joe that can afford such SUV. To them, they’re not going to care as much what 6.4 would of have offered. And totally agree, tunners will go to town, eventually. Great review!
Just traded my 22 LT Chevy 2.7 inline 4 with a Digital Dash for a 22 Hemi 5.7 Etorque and I like the Hemi driving experience much better. Also like the turbo for the endless power feel on the top end and fuel economy that it can offer in smaller rigs. Chevy has perfected the 2.7liter, I was very happy with it.
You cant beat the proven V8 overall. These Manufacturers are screwing around with an already proven design, and going to 4 and 6 cyl, twin Turbos. TURBO spells Trouble Period, and big Repair bills later. A total discrace.
Appreciate the review. I am currently stuck between trigger pulls right now on these 2 engines. However, buying $112plus thousand dollar car…..I am really NOT looking for engine noise and squealing wheels. This Grand Wagoneer is a beauty and it s made for just that. luxury, Quietness, etc..I just don’t think you have both honestly. Your either going have to choose between being “The Entertainer” or being simply “Entertained”
Have to agree with the audio aspect. I have a 06300C bone stock and it sounds ok but not wow. We just got my a 21 Durango RT and it sounds so much better.
If you drop suitcase style mid muffler, keep the cats and resonators. A simple connecting pipe for each side of your exhaust. It's very simple and cheap to do. I have the same year model of Chrysler 300c and did this to mine. It's got a little bit louder idle but nothing offensive. When you actually kick it down it has a great sound/growl. Smiles all around. Oh,and better throttle response as well. A definite win win. Enjoy.
Everyone have me a lot of flak about there being no break in process necessary on this engine. I made this video a year ago, here is a video from a couple months ago interviewing a Stellantis engineer where he says the exact same thing. Happy now?
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I'm a whole lot less concerned about the tone coming out the exhaust as I am the overall longevity and reliability of the engine combined with long-term maintenance costs.
I guess when you are a technician like the creator who can repair anything wrong with an engine you have the luxury of caring more about exhaust tones.
Con: GM
Pro: I6
@@mattbakerg literally why im getting a used 15 era charger lol
L if it ain’t loud and obnoxious it ain’t worth it
@@mattbakerg im much more worried about Dodge thinking they can reliably manufacture a engine that is twin turbo and dual cam and whooopity whoo.
Cuz yknow
Dodge is SO well known in the automotive world for the badass power capacity and reliable 1000hp 2JZ supra engine.
Oh shit, i screwed that all up.
Dodge ISN'T at all known for any sort of reliability as of the last maybe 5-7years.
Certainly not the minivans and trucks
It's good to see that there are still dealership technicians as yourself that tell the truth about the product. I worked for Chrysler for 42 years, left 12 years ago and haven't looked back. I don't think there is anything reliable to any extent being built anymore. Everything is overly complicated and the worst part is most manufacturers don't have service departments that can repair these new vehicles. Good smart techs who care (this is an important feature) are few and far between. I'm still active in the trade and see things that drive me crazy everyday.
There's no question that you're correct, the number of qualified techs is diminishing by the day. It doesn't help that the level of pay has not increased apace with the level of technical skills required.
I did 10 years with Chrysler/ Plymouth/ Dodge/ Jeep- left 17 years ago- competent , skilled, reliable techs are hard to come by these days . Cars are more complex today and there are a lot more careers out there that pay better and are far less strenuous on your body. 👍🏻👍🏻
I've own Chrysler products for most of my life with few exceptions and have always done my own work to avoid the mechanics that think they are smarter than the engineers and worked from manuals for the most parts. Every engine has its little quirks and resolving those issues is a plus and comes with experience with each engine. The engine I once owned, and miss was my 1967 426 Hemi, solid lifters always set at .028 intake and .032 exhaust cold. Loved the sound and the complaints from everyone that there was something wrong with my engine because it was not supposed to sound like it did.
Retired 2011, Chrysler tech. 30 years. Ended up at a municipality waste water plant. Heavy Equipment Operator now. God I don’t miss flat rate times.
the hemi is pretty reliable overall
I work at a dealership. Regarding the reliability, I'll just say this. This isn't specific to the engine, but the Wagoneers have had continuous technical service bulletins and engineering updates. They come out on an almost weekly basis. Some apply only to specific trims and build dates, some apply to a lot more of them. Many are minor, like software updates to fix little glitches or improve heated seat performance. Or updated door handle cables, or adding a zip tie to a wiring harness. Others more major. This may sound really bad if you aren't familiar with the more technical side of new vehicle releases. But almost every automaker has issues in a new product launch. Stellantis Jeep is keeping on top of these things and watching closely for repeat or pattern problems. Which in the long run could make for a good vehicle if the bones are inherently solid. I imagine they're taking a similar approach for the engine, which is likely why it's only rolled out in one vehicle platform so far.
I didn't want to say it in the video, but these grand wagoneers are garbage 🤣. I'm really not a fan of this platform at all, so many problems!
All the more reason not to buy the first model year.
Aaaand you expected what from the French?
@@ReignitedAuto the problem isn't in the platform itself . It's based on the ram 1500 platform .
@@ReignitedAuto my pot smoking stay at home friend you’re getting high way too much and I can tell you don’t know anything because you’re not familiar with the Ford triton engines that Ford engineered with disastrous problems for a decade or the two failed power stroke diesel‘s one of which was discontinued on the second year yeah you might want to get educated or at least try to or maybe you’re not familiar with all of the Chevy SUVs and cars that have ridiculous problems and are being rebuilt at 30 to 50,000 miles which is a breaking for an average Chrysler you forget who has 35 year old jeeps on the road and look around in your town. I guarantee you you’re looking at Dodge Durango‘s that are 20 years old that people drive and forget about them. Mine has 300,000 miles on it and has yet to even put a water pump on it so my friend friend or my Chevy junk driver you’re clueless.
I'm a V-8 guy. With that said I think the in line 6 is a excellent option. Far better than a twin turbo v-6 or 4.
Straight 6 engines are very stable and tend to last a long time. Tuned correctly, they can put out well into the 700 800 HP range. They are building out 4.0 jeep engines that can get close to 1000 HP right now in the aftermarket.
For what this is worth, Motorweek reviewed the Grand Wagoneer with both the 6.4 Hemi and the 3.0 TT Hurricane. The Hemi ran 5.7 0 to 60, the Hurricane 4.9. Quarter mile 14.1 for the Hemi and 13.5 for the Hurricane, finally traps were 99 for the Hemi and 104 for the Hurricane.
Good info!
Excellent info. Thanks Tom. Wonder what the engine weight difference would be?
5.7 for me. It's older so I would put more trust in it over the long run.
With each announcement and move by Stellantis for the Trucks and SUVs the more my heart sinks. They should keep the 5.7 Hemi with as an entry level and just replace the pentastar with the Hurricane. Offer a smaller V8 turbo setup. They’re just killing off the golden goose that brought people over to Dodge, Ram, Jeep.
There is no point in the 5.7 now, the standard output I6 makes more power, more power at lower RPM, emits less C02 and is more fuel efficient.
@@TomazHilton The hurricane 6 has direct injection, turbo charging, and EGR. It also uses high pressure fuel delivery and cylinder deactivation. That’s all well and good on paper but that’s a lot of expensive equipment that’s going to be difficult to repair. It’s designed to run hotter to reduce emissions, but it reduces the service life of the components. A stock gen 3 Hemi is relatively simple to maintain and mod without breaking the bank and can last well over 300,000 miles if properly maintained. Its been around 20 years so there’s plenty of affordable aftermarket parts and mods. It’s not always about power and fuel cost, the cost and easy of repairs make a big difference.
@@vr4787 my guy, just about 95% of engines today, even in a lowly Camry has all of that.
@@TomazHilton they can keep it, I’ve done enough wrenching to know the simpler an engine is the less trouble it is to keep going and the Hemi is as simple as they get today. Plus the I6 needs 91 octane to get the max horsepower & torque and isn’t much better mpg wise. My modded Ram 1500 hemi will do 16-18 mpg city and 23-25 mpg highway doing 70 mph on eco88. The I6 is just an overcomplicated expensive answer for emissions.
@@TomazHilton what camry uses turbos with gdi?
As you said at the start, this engine is in a luxury $112,000.00 vehicle. The majority of the people buying this level of vehicle don't want or care about how snarly the engine sounds. I would bet that this engine will sound a lot different when placed in a performance vehicle.
For sure. When they put it in the Charger and Challenger, we're sure to get a moderately loud i6 growl instead of this muffled mess
@CptLang97 yeah, you can definitely hear in the video how restricted and muffled the engine is.
The turbos themselves will act to muffle out any good exhaust note, to smooth it out. Now, working over a muffler at the manufacturing level can bring some of the exhaust note out, but it will never be the same as a good-running V8
@@CptLang97 the charger and challenger are done after this year
There’s a video out there of a straight piped hurricane…. That things a monster
You can never replace that iconic sound of a genuine hemi sounds beefy and sexy as hell.
Thanks for the review. And I totally agree with not liking the 3.0 over a hemi. It’s just like when I went from a 3.7 pentastar charger to a 5.7. I wish I would of done it sooner. I can’t ever get tired of the rumble and the feel of a hemi.
The Pentastar 3.7 is not a performance engine. But is a very poorly designed engine. It has a lot of design problems and a lot of failure points. I have a 2003 Mustang with the 3.8L pushrod V6. It is a solid engine that does have one problem. Because it uses a cast iron block and aluminum heads, which expand at different rates, they tend to have head gasket failures. Ford should have used cast iron heads and they would have had a bulletproof engine. My head gaskets have been replaced with some of a much newer design that are supposed to hold up to the different expansion rates of the block and heads much better. So far so good. It is not hard to change the head gaskets on the Ford 3.8L, because it is a pushrod design, and there are no overhead cams, multiple 5 foot long cam chains, guides, and tensioners to deal with. No variable valve timing either.
@@geraldscott4302 I'd rather see an aluminum block. That's a common setup with iron block/au heads.
@@ItsDaJax I'm 63, and totally old school. I believe engines should be built out of iron. I have built old school small block Chevys that lasted past 500,000 miles with just normal maintenance (oil changes every 3000 miles) and replacing the timing chain every 70,000 miles.
@@geraldscott4302 Nothing wrong with an all iron engine- they seem to be able to hold boost really well, if anything. When I think performance, I want something light. Although sometimes you don't have a choice and iron it is, if what you want only comes that way. I think a steel block would be a good medium, honestly.
@@geraldscott4302 Would you say the Ford 3.8 with matching head and block materials is a better engine than the GM 3.8?
Although a well tuned V8 with the right cam sounds great, like the 1950's, 1960's and 1970 through 1972 vehicles, a straight six will last just as long if not longer.
More main caps holding the crank and typically a longer stroke in an online 6 help it last a long time and make them strong, sometimes stronger.
P.S. I'll take it (also take the 4cyl) over a damn ev any day.
Definitely longer, one less cylinder head, 2 less cylinders. Less heat and friction.
My 5.7 is paired with a cold air intake and a Magnaflow exhaust. I love starting my truck each day, and I can’t see myself driving a truck with a smaller engine. There’s no replacement for displacement. 💪🏻
Same here... I have a Jeep Commander with the 5.7 HEMI. I'll never part with it!
Only when it comes to sound.
Love that comment…no replacement for displacement….classic!
New engines are more powerful & better mpg..
@@Mroswaldo16 And last about 1/2 the life of a non-turbo 4 or 6 cyl. No thanks!
I own a redeye charger and I've bought inline 6 turbo bmws for dailies for 10+yrs. I'm excited to see how dodge does with this, inline 6s can be wonderful.
As long as it won't be advertised as a muscle car engine, they have a great platform on their hands.
i have a 5.7 hemi. Was thinking of camming it this year and turboing next. But idk if i want to now cause I've always loved TT I6's. Im on the fence now. What's your experience with v8's vs i6's?
@@tstproductions2913 Hemis are simple and cheap to fix/replace. TT I6s are more mechanically complex, and we don't know the reliability of the new engine yet. It should be fine though. If you want more power and don't mind the slight lag, get the TT I6. If you just want low end torque and the rumble of a V8, stick with the hemi.
@@V8_Diva im tired of you people who think a v8 is needed for a muscle car, 69 charger 440 had like 230rwhp... using power as the baseline, a prius is a formidable muscle car.
Having the main goal as performance with more power to weight than the similar year commuter cars.
I had a factory lt350 81 camaro that due to California laws had to have a buick 231 (gm called it a 350eq), thing with a new top end and aggressive cam, dual exhaust, hei upgrade, had around 400rwhp with a v6, n/a.
A charger with 500hp is a muscle car no matter the number of pistons.
-sincerely a 65 nascar 413rb, 2 16+ 6.4 hemis, and a 5.7 hemi pre eagle owner
@@HansBelphegor I don't think you should go around assuming things about others and writing an entire essay arguing against someone you're making up in your own head. I don't personally give a fuck. I'm just saying that the way they advertise the car is going to have a BIG impact on whether people like it or not. If you throw a TT I6 into a Charger and advertise it as a luxury performance sedan, it will go over as well as any luxury performance sedan would. If you put that same engine in that same car and then say "new muscle", A) Muscle car buyers aren't buying it B) Luxury 4-door drivers aren't buying it either. It's not going to sell. You are winning shower arguments here dude.
I am excited about this new engine. I have always felt like inlne six cylinder engines have been excellent for power and durability. I would love to drive one myself to see how it performs.
Thanks for the review, good to hear your thoughts about it.
I’ve owned a couple straight 6 cars… nothing compares to it in terms of smoothness
3.0 pushing 500hp? The more power you push thru a smaller package the shorter the lifespan.
To everyone who can't seem to fathom why I'm wearing gloves 😄: I'm a tech at a dealership and I wear these gloves every day, I filmed this video while on break during a workday. 👍
I completely agree with you. I’ll take the 392. What’s funny to me is that they could have made a twin turbo fully forged lower compression block made for much cheaper than it took to make the hurricane. Then just transfer over an electric motor for the front wheels making it awd hybrid. Best of all worlds yet chose the bmw way with out the years of experience having the majority of your clients loving v8 🤣. Bad business move dodge. the sad part is the majority of people would rather by a caravan or a gas efficient clunker that’s slow than a v8 muscle car. Yeah blame the people being cool with bs average mommy mini vans which is sadly the majority. Which proves my point in nearly every aspect for population in nearly every realm of life it’s a fact that maybe 20% of people are smart the other 80% not so much. Case in point the state of our country and the choices that lead us here yet dudes still there 🤣. Facts are America has changed quite a bit from being gun toting driving Mach 2 with your hair on fire listening to metal driving a big loud v8 with you middle finger in the sky is over. Now we’re more worried about color, sex changes, identification, and thugin to know what’s good for the majority of people not just what’s good for a select group screwing or canceling everyone else. If it were up to me I would kick out all manufacture that aren’t American then make them pay to ship here. Then all American made out side the us for a buck and shipped in will be discounted to the public as it is lower quality. Then build everything by hand built quality then exported plus sold domestic the way it was intended. Prices will be higher but so will pay. Can even upmark our cars to outside countries because they will perform better cutting the cost to the American providing jobs and closing boarders so our generations can continue to be able to enjoy land in the future without over population. Crazy how that works everything is tied together in the world which can reflect in a countries sold goods and economy even down to the vote. Sorry for the book. Anyways thanks for the new vehicle info man. As always great content have a wonderful day 👍.
Does the new inline 6 need higher than 89 octane? This will be great in the Jeep Wrangler and Gladiator. I could care less about any other application in any other vehicles. I see various people making these videos with everything but a Wrangler or Gladiator which both have the terrible V6 junk in them . This i6 will be a huge seller in the Gladiator or Wrangler, but it sure would be nice to see Jeep throw one in and get a video out.
@@vicranger6876 I think it will be a better motor than the 3.6. Comes forged with boost. Already better for those vehicles not the hellcat or anything else heavy but jeeps sure. Not to say they can’t. As far as running on lower octane probably will be able to. You can tune it to if you don’t like it I’m sure.
Before you even started talking I was looking at the gloves...lol Maybe because they are orange? Start selling them you can corner the market!
Orange hands bad
This engine in a new Dakota with a manual would be fun
Provided this engine is reliable, I'd buy that.
The next Dakota will probably have the Pentastar V6 or a turbo 4 banger.
@@briandonald Gag me with a spoon haha
@@kailuagarage 😂
Yes it would be interesting compared to the old 1991 s-10 with the 4.3 V6 and a 5 speed manual
Inline 6 motors tend to be more undersquare design ( long stroke, smaller bore ) due to the packaging limits of a longer engine. Whereas the 6.4 hemi is actually slightly oversquare giving it different characteristics on how it will rev
Yeah I thought everyone knew that in-line 6s don’t rev that high usually lol
@@42ambrociothis is true, but I love the sound of an inline six. I especially love the sound of my 92 4.0. 🤌🏼
I bought a '21 Power Wagon. It comes with the 392, though it is tuned for truck use. I had already heard that they would be discontinuing the HEMI, and I wanted one. I love it! Straight six and straight five engines are very well balanced, but there is no emotional attachment. They are boring. They don't have the same kind of torque, either. Change for the sake of change is stupid. I didn't want power adders, like the supercharger, for many different reasons. I don't want to have to deal with turbos either. Cost of operation, maintenance and reliability is ridiculous for power adders. Premium fuel. Then there are all the extra computer chips. Just like electric vehicles. The smart play was to continue developing hybrid cars with gas and electric. Formula 1 is making great advances that would end up in everyone else's cars. Instead, they are trying to force full electric down our throats, while taking away our V-8s, V-10s and V-12s. Ratbastards.
Commies takin our hemis 👎🏻
I must be the only one who puts premium fuel in their Hemi 😂
@@Radley97 I have a 2020 jeep SRT. It takes premium too
Sixes can't make torque? haha. My 6.7 Cummins HO makes a thousand ft lb.
Hemi and LS til I die
I loved having straight six cylinder Jeeps throughout the years the 4.0 being the best it was perfect for a Jeep of that era. Built for the long haul. Most of them are bulletproof.
yeah, I beat the shtt out my 98 cherokee.
100mph everywhere.
That 4.0 was a great motor. This new one I don't think it will last as long.
@@timhanson2080 yeah, it's a scam.
to get money back from the cost of part's
One of my favorite engines- just hate the non crossflow head.
If you get a Jeep Wrangler with this engine and try to use it on a jeep trail, or even just a dirt road at low speeds, you will run into the problem of low engine speed (typically around 1000-1500 rpm off road) the engine speed will be insufficient to get the turbos to pressurize, thus you're effectively running a 3-liter, 6 cylinder engine on natural aspiration, and it will not perform well in that application. What all Jeep off-roaders want is an engine with LOTS of torque at low engine speeds, but anybody's turbo does not deliver any torque at creeping over rocks speeds. I live in a small town in the Colorado mountains, and the local Jeep dealer doesn't even stock Wranglers with the optional Turbo-4 engine. This engine has good power at speed under load, but as far as going off road on Jeep trails, it has the power of a lawnmower. When the Turbo4 was first offered on Wranglers the dealer ordered one, but it grew cobwebs because nobody had any faith in what performance it would deliver offroad. Even with "real rockcrawling enthusiasts" you will never see one of their rock-crawlers running a turbo; its either a good-sized V8 with natural aspiration, or with a positive displacement supercharger which delivers positive boost even at idle.
I bet you it isn't as soft down low as you thought - I bet in order to get decent fuel economy, they are really lazifying the throttle response. Combined with it weighing over 3 tons and costing over $100k, they probably want to tune it to get as much gas mileage as possible. I would venture to say if you tuned the throttle mapping, it would wake it up a lot. Also, I've willing to bet that the turbos are sized small to help get that large torque rating, but by doing that, the turbo becomes a hair dryer about 5700 RPM where the snails are probably outside of their efficiency island.
I thought it sounded actually really nice for a turbo I6, but the problem is that nowadays you can't trust your ears because so many of the manufacturers pipe in fake engine sounds. However the outside the vehicle test doesn't lie, and it did sound weaker. However, compared to ford's 3.5L Ecoboost, it sounds amazing. The fords sound incredibly bad anytime you mess with the exhaust. Also sound wise, I really hate the sound of DI engines, they have that annoying high pitch tapping from the fuel pump and the injectors. Granted PFI engines aren't without their own injector rattles, but they sound more "normal" to me at idle.
Cost wise, the number of components are reduced, so for example, compared to an OHC V6 (Like the pentastar) you only have two cams, two cam phasers, and likely a single or double timing chain compared to two or four (e.g. crank to both cams or crank to one cam, then cam1 to cam2). Also have a single valvecover, and possibly a single cat (Unless they throw in a pup convertor immediately after the turbo).
So, a $112,000+ gas guzzling land barge that you have to drive directly to a tuner to get decent performance? Man, oh man, am I glad I got my 2021 R/T Shaker when I did. I totally love my stick shift 5.7L baby hemi! At age 75 this will definitely be my last car and it's been a smile a mile so far. Sounds like the Stelantis marketing strategy is to sell to yuppies who have more money than brains. There's certainly no shortage of those so it could be a solid business plan. I came of age in the 1950's when hot rods were the new thing. And I'll be leaving this earth in a few years with a still new hemi challenger that I totally love. It's been a great ride! Feel bad for my grandchildren but this is the brave new world that they wanted.
Dude you are comparing an SUV To a car and a inline 6 to a V8. Not only that an inline 6 that puts down more power than your V8 and saying it lacks performance.
@Wolf G. yeah, this was a weird comment. Put the 5.7 or the PW 6.4 in this, and the performance would realistically be worse with even worse fuel economy to top it off. And a 6-figure luxury car is supposed to be quiet, this isn't marketed to muscle and sports car owners lmao
Typically, inline engines have a longer stroke that tends to create higher torque. This also limits the revs that the engine can endure. This is why the rev limit is lower. The turbos also result in higher low-end torque. This means that when you push the accelerator pedal, the first thing that happens is that the rise in air flow results in more exhaust flow that causes the turbos to spin faster. This in turn, results in more air flow that results in more exhaust flow that causes the turbos to spin faster and so on. All this without really changing the speed of the engine. This is different to what occurs in a naturally aspirated engine where opening the throttle lowers the intake manifold pressure which limits air flow into the engine. In this case, to increase the air flow the engine RPMs must be raised to pump more air into the engine. He complains that the revs a low, but the engine is producing 500 HP and 500 ft-lbs of torque. That is amazing for a 3-liter engine. This also means that if driven conservatively, it can get better fuel economy than a V8 driven in the same manner.
Another thing, Lower RPMs means lower friction. Friction results in more heat (wasted energy) and more wear. This results in higher economy and longer life.
This engine only has a 3.54 inch stroke for reference the 6.4 hemi as a longer stroke of 3.72 inches.
@@tomdell9836 You are correct. I haven't seen any curves, but I would suspect the turbo engine will still create more torque at a lower rpm by nature. The naturally aspirated engine will need to rev to get more air into the engine. This means more friction and parasitic losses at higher rpms. The turbo will be more efficient.
Thank You for taking the time to make this video. Just my thoughts, car companies now days do what they can to keep EVERYBODY satisfied whether it be an inline 6 or an EV and either way, car enthusiasts that love the V8 sound/horsepower lose without compromise.
They do to the engines what the Government will allow them. Not what the people want. But what the Government will make laws to get what they instruct them to build. The sar Company`s have bent over backwards since the 70`s and met all their law requirements. Gas mileage and emissions. But here we are in 2023 and the line continues to move. Late 2000s and we had Hemis with 375 plus HP and 26 mpg. A long way from the 70s 375 HP and 13 mpg. But not good enough for big Government. Never will be until they have total control over everything we do. What did happen to " We the People"? When will we say enough is enough?
I think the price is as crazy as the year we live in. The older I get the more sense a 60’s or early 70’s muscle car makes. Or an older truck. $112,000 would buy 2-3 older autos and simplicity rules. Can EFI them if you want. I got 19mpg hwy in my 1970 Mach1 351C 4 speed with 325 rear end. Not cheap anymore but hell of a lot cooler than an overpriced Wagoneer. Just my opinion. Oh yeah great video I like your straightforward style.
I’m curious to see if this is a real competitor to the BMW X5/X6.
Speaking of BMW, they got away from a twin turbo 3.0L (N54) as that engine demonstrated numerous reliability and cost of ownership issues relating to the itty bitty turbos vs the comparable, and eventually superior performance they achieved with a much more reliable twin-scroll single turbo setup. (N55/B58)
Still, your point on engines being somewhat subjective is valid. Plenty of enthusiasts enjoy the sound of a healthy in-line 6 makes at full load while appreciating how docile they get when just idling/cruising. Seems like a good fit for a luxury SUV.
inline 6's are statistically among the most reliable engines in the world which is why they're used in everything form trucks to boats.
BMW M340 (in-line 6 turbo) burned 4 quarts of oil in a 40,000 mile test. BMW says that’s “normal.” 🤔
This engine is only 182ci. It might not be robust enough for its hp.
Less vibrations.
Great sounding 6.4 L hemi and the sound of the ticking valve train is an added bonus
When the Ram hybrid comes out with this 3.0, I will consider trading over from my Hemi Ram. Till then, I will listen to the purr of the V8!
I love that v8 feel and sound of the Hemi
I like quiet!
Have owned a half dozen Rams with the Hemi and just bought a new 25 Ram SST Hurricane. This thing is a rocket and I dont miss the
V/8 noise at all.😊
Engine sound is such a big piece of driving enjoyment, it’s tough to find something with less cylinders that can compete in that department with V8’s.
But I’d still like to see the hurricane engine in a smaller RWD platform to see what it can do 👍
Maybe something Supra sized lol
No question in a smaller vehicle this engine would be special!
A major feature of the V8 is sound alone, yes EV can be faster but they feel soulless...
Combustion engines from a Vespa all the way to a Bugatti have that X factor that is unrelated to performance.
Put it in a Dodge Dart and watch it go lol
@@GloomToon this! ☝️
@@GloomToon Discontinued in '16.
🏆Watch the whole thing🏆 you did a great job ⚡I'll keep my 5.7 hemi🍀 get R done😎✌️
I wonder if this HO version will be offered in the Ram 1500? Over 500HP in a somewhat affordable half ton pick-up would be an easy sell. I think Ram really dropped the ball by never offering the 6.4 in the 1500. I know there's the TRX but not everyone needs 700HP and all the off road capabilities in that trim level. Also the TRX, at 100K is not really affordable for many people. They could have offered a Scat Pack, Rumble Bee or SRT package on the Big Horn or Rebel trim level and kept it somewhat affordable.
I think for sure it'll end up in the 1500 at some point.
Needs to replace the 6.4 in the 2500's. Fords 7.3 is destroying the 6.4
Not to mention, a lot of people don't want forced induction. Give me the NA 6.4 in a half-ton and I'd be set forever.
@@pwned2002 The 6.4 doesn't compete with the 7.3 it competes with the 6.2 and the new 6.8 and the chevy 6.6. This engine would likely not last in an HD truck either it's just too small. Powerful yes but it wouldn't hold up to heavy towing all the time. They need a new large displacement engine possibly the new gas version of the 6.7 cummins or a new 426 hemi.
Awesome. They were able to make the inline 6 sound just like my son's old Ford focus wagon.
I think the inline is a cool idea and if we think back, pretty much every inline 6 out there has been known as super reliable engines, so hopefully these thing continue tradition. I always loved and still love the jeep 4.0s, but you have to know what you're driving and adjust expectations. I love my Hemi as well though but would love to drive one of these some day
I’m trying to contact you. I have a ‘20 1500 Classic 2 door short bed 5.7. It’s not remotely quick. 2 years old with 5,500 miles and I’m ready to give up because of the pain it is to get a tune. Anyway, my solution is the torqstorm supercharger. The big one that runs 600 bwh. If I can get it done I’m guessing $10k should do it. I would love to pick your brain to ask is this worth the effort and money? Any mods to a classic is a task to begin with but it’s already paid off and selling, I’ll lose my ass. Am I better off to dump it and build a blazer Xtreme with a 500 HP LS swap?
Yes, but which of them have twin turbos? Most small displacement turbo engines have huge problems. Lotus tried to do it. Ford tried to do it. I have my doubts that FCA can do it.
I admit I am a hemi fan.
@@gsc512 2JZ
@@Bpf1893 exactly? 👍👌
@@Bpf1893I did forget about the Toyota. It seems that the recipe is all the same materials and strong so to eliminate heat issues from forced induction and faster moving internals. I'd rather have a hemi
Good to hear from you! I did not know we went back to you day job...anyway hope you are happy!
I'm a little surprised on the lack of low end punch. Usually inline engines have great low end torque. Not surprised the turbo power comes in the mid tho. I recall the caliber SRT was the same way vs the neon SRT. Like he said tuning can fix it all if you wish.
I think it is damped to fit into environmental standards
@@Vadim_Andr. Would make sense
initial torque may be limited off the line to save the driveline due to the weight of the vehicle.
I own both the v6 charger and V8 ram and I don't put one over the other.
I got my car for great gas mileage which it has and I got the truck for home projects but I really wanted a Cummins 6.7 but I refuse to pay 100K for a truck.
I just don't understand why people get hung up on a "throaty high annoying sound" of a V8. Why would you let the cops know where you are speeding at??
I have a stock exhaust for my ram but I'm not complaining. It doesn't phase me because I impressed by the sound of a cold start diesel.
Now that's a sound, that extremely low rhino waiting up in the morning grunt.
I know the world will never agree with me and vice versa. I am not a speed freak either. I just prefer diesel torque that can pull a Walmart off its foundation.
Until I get enough money saved, I'll hang on to the ram for now, but I won't jump on the bandwagon of other V8 owners putting down and disrespecting v6 and diesel owners.
Not on my watch.
This is an under square in-line six, with peak torque and horsepower about the same ( which means at about 5252 r.p.m.), so there is no advantage reving much beyond that.
I have a 2017 ram 1500 with a 392 and I wouldn't trade for anything, AND also bought a 3500 ram Cummings dually for my business ( towing trailer) I'm loving it.
Turbo lag in big vehicles driving in a city sucks I'll stick to my hemi
I would still do a breakin period, won't hurt anything by doing so.
Thanks for letting us hear and experience this new engine. I would agree that for now if it were me I would want to stick to the V8's.
Just think newer badder ass 2jz. I bet if you do direct air intakes, a nice bigger flowing exhaust and tune. It would be a reliable 650 to 700 whp engine all day long. And heck you’d get the kids to soccer practice on time every time. 100# facts my guy
I guess you like paying over $100.00 to fill your tank on a weekly basis.
Great review Sky, you present all the facts very well
definitely wanna see it in smaller and lighter platforms
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Good luck. Dodge don't do that
@@thetrollwhoknows9928 you're right they've never put a 6 cylinder in a smaller platform 🙄
@@david92xj not if it makes 500 HP. A motor is motor it don't matter how many cylinders is got only how much air it can move. If they did put it in a smaller platform it would be so detune so they wouldn't get sued from wrecks. Even the gigantic boat hellcat is detuned for safety.
@@thetrollwhoknows9928 well let's just say I know some things and I know the i6 has seen 4 digits.
I have both - a 2012 Ram 5.7L hemi, a 2022 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4xe hybrid with 2.0 Turbo, and a 1986 Dodge Daytona Turbo Z with 2.2L Turbo and I like both. But I tend to prefer the Turbo engines to the V8. Both of my Turbo vehicles are notably faster, and yes they are lighter. And while the Jeep probably is my least favorite sound wise, my Daytona sounds just as good as the Hemi. If the sound is all you are going on, then you are missing out on the great acceleration of the Turbo. Yes, the turbos have the lag at first, but when the power comes on, it's like kicking in jet afterburners and I love that feeling. It's addictive.
I like you wore your work gloves while driving this car. No fingerprints, no evidence. Lol
The 3.0 vs ecodiesel your point may be on point except for one major thing the NO gas engine will ever compete when it comes to MPG or for that matter longevity!!! With being said I'll take any I6 over a V configuration anyway no matter gas or diesel!!!
Thanks for the video! I have the 6.4 in my Power Wagon. I wish it was quieter. Less noise is better! Power and reliability are important! Noise is just noise. It serves no actual purpose, except to say "look at me." I don't get it.
Motortrend: If you happen to remember reading our deep dive into the twin-turbo Hurricane I-6 engine and how it seriously upgrades the formerly V-8-only Jeep Wagoneer and Grand Wagoneer, you'll probably remember our prediction about a potential crate motor version:
"Setting aside fever dreams of modified examples delivering 1,000 hp, you can bet Stellantis' own performance gurus-SRT engineers-are going to try their darndest to squeeze every last pony from these new sixes. We certainly can't wait to see it." Well, it didn't take long for Stellantis' Direct Connection factory upgrade program to make the "HurriCrate I-6" available as a crate offering. Well, actually, three crate engines-including one "1,000-plus-hp" version.
"you don't need to break in new cars"
New z06: hold my connecting rods
As someone that went from a HEMI challenger to a BMW turbo I6 I've got to say it has more power on the low end and virtually zero turbo lag. It's got more torque through almost the entirety of the torque curve than my old 5.7 HEMI despite similar max numbers on the dyno
Unfortunately that price tag would be the killer for me 😉
Yep, you could buy a small house and 40 acres of land in Mississippi for that kind of 💰 money...
@@josephdoby6411 Who the hell wants to live in Mississippi? The state with the lowest average IQ. Hard pass.
I bought my wife the grand wagoneer specifically for the 392. Hopefully the tuners will get with the program and tune for a whipplecharger! looking for the 800hp hellwagon! The MPG is already terrible... I want the blower whine!
I'm really hoping they bring this powertrain to the Wrangler. I'd trade in our ecodiesel rubicon for one no doubt. I'd love to get a 392 rubicon but they are just too far out of our price range.
I got the diesel for the torque, and love it for that. But if these packs the same torque, or even near that of the diesel, but twice the HP then sign me up!
Rock crawlers such as the Wrangler Rubicon go up trails at low engine speeds. At low engine speeds there isn't much in the way of air intake or, especially, exhaust pressure. The engine is running at 1000-1500 rpms with the throttles closed. The result: at low throttle openings, there's almost no pressurized air pushing on the turbo impeller, so they're not pumping pressurized air into the engine. The result.? driving a Wrangler on Jeep trails will be like driving a normal aspiration small displacement straight 6. Turbos require substantial throttle openings to get enough pressure against the turbine wheel to pump in enough air to make a difference.
@@bobkonradi1027but you want to go slow when you are on the trail right?
I enjoyed this video way more than I expected. Great job Sky! Very informative
Put it in a Miata and it would be a blast to drive, but for the heavier suv or truck I’d rather have the supercharged v8 ( If I’ve got over a 100k to throw at a car the cost of fuel at 5 mpg shouldn’t be much of an issue)
Nah the straight 6 in my Ram 3500 DRW does great.
I agree with your review...When has Dodge stopped the recommended break in? I have a 2021 Scat and the transbrake feature would not come on until the odometer reaches 500 miles. The manual states to avoid spirited driving over 55MPH. Also to avoid excessive idle. And this is a car that Dodge states you can go from the dealership to the dragstrip. 😕..It is a 1320 Scat Pack.
Drive it like you stole it 👍
Follow the owners manual to play it safe. What's the rush to abuse your car?
Thanks for taking the time to share this info. What is your take on the gas direct injection? I understand the increase in mileage and power, but not sure if the carbon build up and maintenance is worth it.
I'm not a fan of direct injection myself. It's primary benefit is extraordinary precise fueling, which benefits emissions control, snore!
Fair comments all around, I'd say. I appreciate the back-to-back comparison. Judged purely as an auditory experience, what the 6.4L Hemi V-8 offers is far superior. But the 3.0L TT Hurricane I-6 is more in keeping with the way the industry is heading, and to me it sounds...acceptable. I keep telling myself it could be worse: They could be crazy enough to shove a four-cylinder engine into a truck that size. Don't laugh: GM is already doing with that with low-end Silverados and Sierras and what's now called the "TurboMax" engine, which I wouldn't touch with a barge pole. As for the EcoDiesel V-6 engine, buyers seem to have felt the same way you did about it, since Stellantis dropped the EcoDiesel completely after the 2023 model year.
When you let it just idle with the hood opened it sounded somewhat similar to the 6.7 Cummins idling. I have long liked a good turbo i4 and I think this twin turbo i6 would be awesome! I did also have a Hemi and I liked it for it's legitimate reasons but also my 5.7 Hemi didn't prove to be ultra reliable either.
238000 miles on my 5.7 hemi, oil pan gasket was replaced under warranty though. Is that reliable?
In 70k miles when you have to pay $3000 to fix the misfires by having someone take off the intake manifold to walnut-blast the carbon off the valves, you're going to wish it wasn't GDI only. Alfa learned this the hard way, which is why their twin-turbo V6 went to PDI+GDI from 2020 onwards. Other than that, I think this sounds like a pretty reliable engine. Never going to be as reliable as a naturally-aspirated engine, but it will have better fuel economy.
Also, I agree about the engine bay; my Alfa's bay is insane (especially since it's a 90-degree V6 mounted behind the front axel).. Obviously a huge Wagoneer will have some room.. Just wait till they put this engine in a smaller Jeep, it will be madness in there.
The direct injection issues are by far my biggest worry about this engine. I can't wait to see the first ones with 100k on them and see how they handle it. 👍
Hopefully it's well sorted, and does not suffer burned valves, oil consumption, or timing chain issues. Curious to see how far the wick can be turned up, before it self destructs.
I'd wait a few years before buying a new engine from any manufacture.
They have crate engines for these. The cat 1, cat 3, and cat X. The latter of them is rated at 1,000hp. It should hold up pretty well, based on this.
@@allanb3222 Don't count your chickens before they hatch. History will show more than a few engines that were touted as groundbreaking, "Ward's 10 best list", and such, turned out to be lackluster, at best. I worked for CDJ when the Pentastar launched, myself, and two other techs were supposed to go to Dearborn for training, but none of the Pentastar powered vehicles would make a 4 hour trip across the state without going into limp mode before making it to Grand Rapids, and mind you, the training was for "Pentastar specialist" techs, who would go on to get screwed on warranty flat rate to replace cylinder heads by the hundreds. Same company, by the way. (Stellantis owns them, blah blah they own Fiat, and 15 others, too) I treat it with cautious optimism, only time will tell.
I worked for Federal-mogul when the Pentastar came out and we made the bearings for the engine. They were having so many issues that they started trying to blame parts suppliers like us.
I have a 2012 JK that I bought used and it appears the driver side head has been replaced.
I installed a supercharger at around 84,000 miles and it's at almost 134,000 miles now and seems to be doing fine.
As an owner of two hellcat powered vehicles I was impressed with this engine. I feel like you don't buy a grand wagoneer for sound of the engine rather lack of sound. It's very quite inside and smooth. I'm pretty sure I'll be ordering a 2024 grand wagoneer with that engine option.
Yea it's just a different type of power/feel altogether. I definitely think there's an audience for this engine, just don't think a lot of die hard Hemi guys will transfer over as you will.
I really wish that there was going to be overlap of the 5.7 and the hurricane. Knowing I'm going to be buying a new Durango here shortly for my wife I would like to see the hurricane on the road for a while before I have to get one.
This thing could be really fun in a Durango!
@@ReignitedAuto I hope so. The performance of the Durango is one of the reasons she had liked them. I just am nervous buying a new, real world, untested engine. Who knows it may prove to be bullet proof. 🤞
This engine will go into the Grand Cherokee sometime. It will be amazing.
I like the 5.7 for towing my boat very consistent power
It could definitely fit well with the smaller to mid size vehicles
It is absolutely about the experience which is why I own a Hemi jeep as my daily and a restomodded N54 BMW wagon for long trips.
I wonder would this Hurricane Engine fit into a 2004 Dodge Dakota bay. With a much lighter platform, I'm curious to see how the engine performs.
That would rip if you could get it to hook up. But you'd probably just sit there smoking tires
100% agree that this engine will come to life in a smaller platform.
@reignitedauto you should do a Dakota Build with it to see how it really works. Inquiring Dakota owners would like to know.
@@TheNinjaKnight1 I would love to get my hands on one of these engines at some point.
In the 60s and 70s, Australia had a muscle car called the Valiant Charger which famously had a hemi straight six, and was quite fast. I see this engine as a spiritual successor to that one, and I hope it makes its way into some smaller lighter sports/muscle cars. As for the exhaust sound, this one is in a luxury suv so of course it doesn’t sound rowdy. Straight sixes can and do sound totally awesome with a decent exhaust, and the displacement has nothing to do with it, but this is a luxury suv for suburban moms who don’t want to hear it. I’d love to see this engine in a Challenger or Charger based on the Alfa Romeo Giulia platform.
Using a small 3 liter engine to haul all that weight means a stressed short engine life, wait and see. The Hemi made the Chrysler brands pop moving on to this engine is like a Hardley without the roar ! Some won't care until these over stressed engine croak !
Tone note is everything in my book. Great review.
It is absurd for a vehicle to weigh 6,400 pounds when it is probably going to spend most of its life hauling one or two people around.
I think this thing is a snapshot of the USA in a nutshell 😄
@randyrobey5643 How much would you pay for your life?
@@Vadim_Andr. Driving a tank like this makes you a threat to everyone else.
All of that weight is because of the ludicrous regulations imposed by the Federal Government and the demands of the people who buy them.
@@randyrobey5643 you don't value your life
In-line 6 cylinder engine are the best. Natural balance, best torque for the size.
Yep, if you need to look for any validation to the sage advice about waiting a couple of years after a brand new engine is released in order for all the bugs to be worked out and acceptable long-term reliability is achieved, look no further than when Chrysler introduced their new Pentastar 3.6L V6 about 12 years ago. Didn't take long for a swathe of valve-related cylinder-head failures to surface which required a partial redesign of the heads themselves (essentially beefing up the thickness and rigidity of the aluminum head material in certain areas), and it did indeed take a couple of years before that particular issue with the Pentastar was mainly rectified (many others still remain such as the high failure rate of the plastic oil cooler, but that's another story entirely).
I would like to see that hurricane TwinTurbo in-line six be a diesel… almost like a mini Cummins
good review. I own a 392 scat pack and couldn't agree with you more. the V8 rumble is like nothing else.
I’m so glad they at least went with an I6. Mazda going to an I6, it’s great to see the inline making a comeback. They are so much smoother and sound so much better than a V6.
7:00 also revving up before takeoff is a good way to get the turbo going before launch, will be much more responsive
Turbo is a natural muffler... you can make a 3.0 liter engine sound nice, the Italians do it all. the time. 0-60 time is nearly second better in both versions so maybe not right off the line but within 5 seconds it goes. Can't wait until the powerplant isn't 6500lb brick.
It's fine you say you're driving it "normal"......but GET INTO IT too! Let's see what the thing can do! And Yes, we know it's in a heavy pig here.....
Agreed, I would rather have the 392 as well.
I have a 2004 Durango with a 57 hemi with 300,000 miles on it. It still has the original starter alternator and water pump. And yes I haven’t done anything else to it so yeah anybody here tell me they’ve driven their Chevy or their Ford 1/3 that distance without major work done dodge Chrysler will always be the most reliable vehicles on the highway just look how many 20 year old Durango‘s and 35 year old jeeps are on the road take notice of how many 15 year old Fords that are no longer on the road. Only their diesel vehicles make it past 10 years and not without massive amount of money , and because the same people that worked in factories for the last 25 years have the same work ethic. Don’t build Chevy/Ford junk.
Sounds like a damn six-cylinder got that rattle
Have the 22 Wagoneer w 5.7 etorque as a loaner, went to buy new 24 w the v6 hurricane twin(420hp), what a huge difference in a very bad way, the 5.7 very quiet upfront under the hood, smooth power with very nice low end pull, the v6 noticeably louder with almost a rattle sound like youd hear from a much smaller type car, didnt pair well with this "big truck".....so differnt from the 5.7 and a turn off that i said "no" to the new purchase almost immediately, glad I had the 22 5.7 loaner to compare it to.
Wow, that’s a lot of power! But, I don’t care how much power in electric or small displacement turbo engines, I’m not having it. Gotta have the v8 sound.
I'm not trying to hate, but this really makes me wanna hold onto my Hemi even more. When shopping for a truck, I test drove the Tundra, F150, Silverado, and Ram. The Ram won out, followed by the Toyota, then the Chevy, and dead last, at least for me, was the Ford because it's also using a six cylinder turbo charged engine. Now, I know that the tuning isn't going to be the same, but the nature will be. For a zippy fastback small car, a turbo'd engine is great. In a big, heavy vehicle like a truck (or SUV), I found it underwhelming. Having to stay in the boost to actually take advantage of the power just wasn't a good experience. And I will say, the Hemi is simply...just amazing. It's wonderful.
It's why I bought my Grand with a Hemi, I'll never let her go lol
Totally agree on engine options. But think of the average Joe that can afford such SUV. To them, they’re not going to care as much what 6.4 would of have offered. And totally agree, tunners will go to town, eventually. Great review!
Just traded my 22 LT Chevy 2.7 inline 4 with a Digital Dash for a 22 Hemi 5.7 Etorque and I like the Hemi driving experience much better. Also like the turbo for the endless power feel on the top end and fuel economy that it can offer in smaller rigs. Chevy has perfected the 2.7liter, I was very happy with it.
You cant beat the proven V8 overall. These Manufacturers are screwing around with an already proven design, and going to 4 and 6 cyl, twin Turbos. TURBO spells Trouble Period, and big Repair bills later. A total discrace.
Youre videos are great. I haven't got to touch one of these yet.
That car is more than my first house I had built in 1993.
It's hard to even comprehend really 🫣
People forget this is a LUXURY SUV. That market don’t care about exhaust notes as long as it’s goes 0-60 in less than 5 seconds.
A very good review. Thank you!
Appreciate the review. I am currently stuck between trigger pulls right now on these 2 engines. However, buying $112plus thousand dollar car…..I am really NOT looking for engine noise and squealing wheels. This Grand Wagoneer is a beauty and it s made for just that. luxury, Quietness, etc..I just don’t think you have both honestly. Your either going have to choose between being “The Entertainer” or being simply “Entertained”
Sounds like a six cylinder engine and not much else. Hopefully it is dependable and fuel efficient.
Please Stellanis, put this in the Gladiator as an option. Please oh pretty please.
For me I go with the 392 Hemi V8 as well. We have one in our 2019 Charger RT Scat Pack and man its a beast and it sounds nasty as well.
What kind of fuel mileage does it get??
I think a borla exhaust system help some with the sound. ..
Have to agree with the audio aspect. I have a 06300C bone stock and it sounds ok but not wow. We just got my a 21 Durango RT and it sounds so much better.
^wife
If you drop suitcase style mid muffler, keep the cats and resonators. A simple connecting pipe for each side of your exhaust. It's very simple and cheap to do. I have the same year model of Chrysler 300c and did this to mine. It's got a little bit louder idle but nothing offensive. When you actually kick it down it has a great sound/growl. Smiles all around. Oh,and better throttle response as well. A definite win win. Enjoy.
I’m really hoping ram won’t be greedy and offer the high output version in all the models. Not just the limited’s.