Thank you very much for sharing these rare techniques. They really need preserving and spreading indeed. Modern karate is left mostly just striking techniques to the point that people often ask "what's the difference between karate and taekwondo?", how irony.
thank you for posting it. Nowadays, it is rare to see that exercise with such quality. I have a lot of fiends in some Ohshima schools, but I am sorry too say, very few yodan or godan I have seen make the 9 throws like that. Most of them even don't understand the principle or mechanism of the throws, but just do and repeat it like they once saw. I practiced with some of them, and they couldn't make their throw work on me. I saw that you had a very good uke too. Some of the takedown can be very hard for uke, if not used too, specially yari dama. Did your Uke practice judo or aikido ? One great problem I saw nowadays with throws in karate, Ohshima school and most of karate schools, is that people doesn't know to fall, and nobody teaches them to do it. If your uke doesn't fall well, it is quite impossible to do this exercise right. I practiced yesterday the 9 throws with a friend of mine from Ohshima School. We had some problems with the second one you do here : it was impossible to him to take me down, and for me too. We know the theory that first you go up with the shoulder, and then you go down etc etc, but with some (low)pressure test, it was impossible to perform it, and personally I prefer to finish this one with an arm/shoulder lock. have you some advice for this one ? Best regards
Maybe O Sensei Funakoshi was "forced" to transmitt a stripped-down version of his Shuri-Te? I remeber to have read that because of the strong rise of judo and kendo in what was then a nationalist Japan, he did not want to force competition.
@@mortgagefinancing5558 It's a demonstration. If they were to do it for real it would be street fighting. I know a little about both, this video as far as I can tell is to show people what they have learnt and perhaps encourage others to join their club. It's not a waste of time in my opinion. They get fit ( good in a street fight ) they socialize ( good for mental health ) they perform in front of a crowd ( good for confidence ) Are they the greatest fighters in the world? Probably not and neither am I. Are you?
@@mortgagefinancing5558 Perhaps. When you say attacked for real that's a grey area. Firstly there are quite a number of different attacks in different scenarios. If the "attacker" in a demonstration or everyday training was to decide how to attack and the "defender" didn't know didn't know beforehand and the attack was reasonably quick and with some intent, the chances of the "defender" being able to block and counter are pretty much impossible. You might see it during competitions from some top martial artists but it's pretty rare. So what's the point? There's a few, some I've stated in the first comment. There's a great deal to learn in martial arts, I think it takes decades. It could be argued you'd be better off learning to cook and eat properly. Being squared up with someone who you believe wants to hurt you physically and not over reacting or under reacting takes training. Getting your distance right, to avoid being hit and to hit takes training. Knowing where is painful on the body and what can take punishment takes training. Fitness level, confidence, breathing, all takes training. I think some government agencies offer 6-10 week self defence courses, that's a complete waste of time. It takes decades. Some people are natural at fighting and don't require any training at all. Some folk do boxing, kick boxing, MMA, very tough sports. Too tough for some people ( I include me ) And that's where some martial arts come in. All depends on the person. It could be argued "false sense of oneself" ie they think their tough but there not. Well I think that happens whether you train or not. It's not 100 per cent effective, so why do it? After many years of training I have come to the conclusion, for some time now, that in a potential fight situation, if it's definitely on, then get in first and basically hope for the best! And anyway, what else is there to do in life? And why not? In the words of Thin Lizzy "Some men like the fishing and some men like the fowling and some men like to hear the cannon ball a roarin'..."
@@mortgagefinancing5558 It's not for MMA. If I was to do MMA I'd concentrate on boxing/kickboxing/wrestling and of course BJJ is very popular these days. I suppose you think Aikido is hopeless because it wouldn't work in MMA? Guess what, it wasn't meant for MMA. When you say it's proven it doesn't work, are you talking about competitions/MMA or real fights? Did you actually read my comment? I did state it rarely works in competition ( there have been a few karate practitioners who have done well in MMA ) Karate on it's own for MMA? I wouldn't recommend it, but then I wouldn't recommend just boxing for MMA either. I think you're confusing MMA/competition with real life. There is a difference. Let me put it another way, if you want to train 7 days a week and fight in MMA then this video is not for you, I think I did state that in my last comment. Guess what? Not everyone wants to train 7 days a week and get the shit kicked out of them on a regular basis. Read my last comment properly
@@mortgagefinancing5558 I don't see how you can say no such thing as different scenarios. If you condense them all under "a real one" then how do you train for that? There's someone walking towards you with bad intentions, I'd call that different from someone standing close in front of you, nose to nose so to speak, or someone pulling out a knife, or using keys or a bottle etc. I wouldn't even say the defenders actions would be the same, even if he strikes first, and with what? A kick? A punch? Isn't that different? Perhaps I'm looking at it with more detail but I would argue there are different scenarios. MMA is the closest thing to legalised street fighting, I find it brutal, and Connor McGregor puts me right off it, attacking a bus, abusive at the press conference's etc, so much swearing! I appreciated UFC in the 90's, that was even more brutal but there was no weight divisions, it was new and exciting Boxing is brutal, and there was, on the whole, sportsmanship, not always but a lot of respect for each other. That's pretty much non existent these days as well which is a shame I think. I'd also say a decent rugby player would kick most peoples arses! I did say some folk don't need to train. And I didn't say this will help you win every fight. You think it's nonsense...against a skilled attacker, read my first comment. It's not nonsense. If you're looking at it purely MMA then you're wrong. How would these people fair against a MMA practitioner in a street fight? How long is a piece of string? What are their comparative weight, training experience, age etc etc If every MMA fight was ended with a choke/lock/submission I would say BJJ is the best there is. There are knock outs in MMA, I don't know how many, actually that would be quite interesting to find out what the ratio is between knock outs TKO's and submissions. MMA isn't the be all and end all in life. So many people slag of Karate and Aikido because of MMA Not everyone wants to do MMA. BJJ is great for MMA. I personally don't want to wrestle some hairy, sweaty old/young man any day of the week. I don't want to do MMA. And I'll add this, I hope I never have an argument with ANY skilled fighter, rugby player, psycho, man with a gun, a murderer or highly intelligent professor.
@@mortgagefinancing5558 I can't sleep, it's too hot! With regards showing what to do if attacked for real. That's not a demonstration. If it's going to be real then it's a fight, and then it's what type of fight, no rules is real I suppose ( said it before ) demonstrations were introduced to show off really, get new members etc, it's like tv/movies, Karate is made for tv, looks great on screen, but it wouldn't look like that in the street. Doesn't mean it doesn't work If they did a demo were it was real nobody would join!
The lost techniques of karate. I believe this is where the interesting parts aside from just punching, kicking and blocking. All these are there in kata but not taught by instructors, since karate was made simpler for commercialisation purpose.
@@abrahamyuantsur8528 Ok but, what’s the reason of karate practise ? Why are you doing kihon, kata and kumite ? Are you going to take part in a competition ? Is karate a martial art focused on personal defense or just à martial sport ? Sorry but I do not believe in karate ( and many other martial arts.
@@javierum Indeed it's a good question... What you see here is a practice from an art, a dictionary of information... I'm a survivor of a war, in which 90 percent of my company was killed... If it's a self defense I probably will run over One with my car…
Gichin Funakoshi’s 1935 book “Karate-Do Kyohan”. The throw is called “Katawa-guruma”, which is variously called either “half-wheel” or “cripple-wheel” in English.
@@mortgagefinancing5558 Thus, the comment, "text book." So that future writers can become poets, and future jazz players avant-garde musicians, we pass on the alphabet and scales. Perhaps if you consider the content of this video in this light, you may see that it is designed to initiate practitioners to learn the fundamental means of entry that make less recognizable throws possible in the realistic situations you are no doubt familiar with. I suspect the stripped down applications of what is shown here would surprise you, not least in their similarity to others you consider more realistic.
@@mortgagefinancing5558 Curious as to the categorical nature of your dismissal: although perhaps odd to recognize when implemented against a formalized oizuki attack, which one would rarely, perhaps never, encounter in real time, these throws all stem from their judo counterparts. Do you feel judo has any potential value in a real engagement?
Exactly Choki Motobu actually Kicked funakoshi's Ass in his own Dojo in front of all his students due to funakoshi taking credit after Motobu Sensei Beat the Boxer in Japan
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Thank you very much for sharing these rare techniques. They really need preserving and spreading indeed. Modern karate is left mostly just striking techniques to the point that people often ask "what's the difference between karate and taekwondo?", how irony.
Thank You 🙏
Dear Abraham, very good demonstration of Gichin Funakoshi throws! GANBATTE! Yours Juergen Mayer from GERMANY 🇩🇪
Real self defence techniques.
Very well done 🥋👍🥇
a most worthwhile upload .
ossu! Superbly done! Perfect bunkai!
Beautiful! Thanks for sharing
He took them bumps on the floor like a champ to , shot out to that uke
A very good demonstration.
Thank You 🙏
That was really good demo of the techniques well done!
Amazing resource
Very nicely done. High level.
thank you for posting it. Nowadays, it is rare to see that exercise with such quality. I have a lot of fiends in some Ohshima schools, but I am sorry too say, very few yodan or godan I have seen make the 9 throws like that. Most of them even don't understand the principle or mechanism of the throws, but just do and repeat it like they once saw. I practiced with some of them, and they couldn't make their throw work on me.
I saw that you had a very good uke too. Some of the takedown can be very hard for uke, if not used too, specially yari dama. Did your Uke practice judo or aikido ?
One great problem I saw nowadays with throws in karate, Ohshima school and most of karate schools, is that people doesn't know to fall, and nobody teaches them to do it. If your uke doesn't fall well, it is quite impossible to do this exercise right.
I practiced yesterday the 9 throws with a friend of mine from Ohshima School. We had some problems with the second one you do here : it was impossible to him to take me down, and for me too. We know the theory that first you go up with the shoulder, and then you go down etc etc, but with some (low)pressure test, it was impossible to perform it, and personally I prefer to finish this one with an arm/shoulder lock. have you some advice for this one ?
Best regards
The Karatekas back then where really badass no tatami for the okemi!
good stuff
Golpes importantes no Karatê sendo esquecido. Muito bom! Oss
OSS!
Too bad modern shotokan abandons almost all the throwing techniques.
Right 😢
Exactly. Never learned any of this, only made to do years of kata that would never work against resisting opponent
It does i am only a white belt so I have no place to say but most of my family has done karate some even teach shotokan and other styles
@@rffg781 "...that would never work against resisting opponent". Not unlike most of the throws shown in the video...
I need to learn these
Good.
Interesting
Mr. Irwin was an excellent Uke!
👏👏👏👏👊
curious front leg in right uke zenkutsu
Maybe O Sensei Funakoshi was "forced" to transmitt a stripped-down version of his Shuri-Te? I remeber to have read that because of the strong rise of judo and kendo in what was then a nationalist Japan, he did not want to force competition.
Looks good
@@mortgagefinancing5558 It's a demonstration. If they were to do it for real it would be street fighting. I know a little about both, this video as far as I can tell is to show people what they have learnt and perhaps encourage others to join their club.
It's not a waste of time in my opinion. They get fit ( good in a street fight ) they socialize ( good for mental health ) they perform in front of a crowd ( good for confidence )
Are they the greatest fighters in the world? Probably not and neither am I.
Are you?
@@mortgagefinancing5558 Perhaps. When you say attacked for real that's a grey area. Firstly there are quite a number of different attacks in different scenarios.
If the "attacker" in a demonstration or everyday training was to decide how to attack and the "defender" didn't know didn't know beforehand and the attack was reasonably quick and with some intent, the chances of the "defender" being able to block and counter are pretty much impossible.
You might see it during competitions from some top martial artists but it's pretty rare.
So what's the point?
There's a few, some I've stated in the first comment. There's a great deal to learn in martial arts, I think it takes decades. It could be argued you'd be better off learning to cook and eat properly.
Being squared up with someone who you believe wants to hurt you physically and not over reacting or under reacting takes training.
Getting your distance right, to avoid being hit and to hit takes training.
Knowing where is painful on the body and what can take punishment takes training.
Fitness level, confidence, breathing, all takes training.
I think some government agencies offer 6-10 week self defence courses,
that's a complete waste of time. It takes decades.
Some people are natural at fighting and don't require any training at all.
Some folk do boxing, kick boxing, MMA, very tough sports. Too tough for some people ( I include me )
And that's where some martial arts come in. All depends on the person.
It could be argued "false sense of oneself" ie they think their tough but there not. Well I think that happens whether you train or not.
It's not 100 per cent effective, so why do it?
After many years of training I have come to the conclusion, for some time now, that in a potential fight situation, if it's definitely on, then get in first and basically hope for the best!
And anyway, what else is there to do in life? And why not?
In the words of Thin Lizzy
"Some men like the fishing and some men like the fowling and some men like to hear the cannon ball a roarin'..."
@@mortgagefinancing5558 It's not for MMA. If I was to do MMA I'd concentrate on boxing/kickboxing/wrestling and of course BJJ is very popular these days. I suppose you think Aikido is hopeless because it wouldn't work in MMA?
Guess what, it wasn't meant for MMA.
When you say it's proven it doesn't work, are you talking about competitions/MMA or real fights?
Did you actually read my comment? I did state it rarely works in competition ( there have been a few karate practitioners who have done well in MMA ) Karate on it's own for MMA? I wouldn't recommend it, but then I wouldn't recommend just boxing for MMA either.
I think you're confusing MMA/competition with real life.
There is a difference. Let me put it another way, if you want to train 7 days a week and fight in MMA then this video is not for you, I think I did state that in my last comment.
Guess what? Not everyone wants to train 7 days a week and get the shit kicked out of them on a regular basis.
Read my last comment properly
@@mortgagefinancing5558 I don't see how you can say no such thing as different scenarios. If you condense them all under "a real one" then how do you train for that?
There's someone walking towards you with bad intentions, I'd call that different from someone standing close in front of you, nose to nose so to speak, or someone pulling out a knife, or using keys or a bottle etc.
I wouldn't even say the defenders actions would be the same, even if he strikes first, and with what? A kick? A punch? Isn't that different?
Perhaps I'm looking at it with more detail but I would argue there are different scenarios.
MMA is the closest thing to legalised street fighting, I find it brutal, and Connor McGregor puts me right off it, attacking a bus, abusive at the press conference's etc, so much swearing!
I appreciated UFC in the 90's, that was even more brutal but there was no weight divisions, it was new and exciting
Boxing is brutal, and there was, on the whole, sportsmanship, not always but a lot of respect for each other. That's pretty much non existent these days as well which is a shame I think.
I'd also say a decent rugby player would kick most peoples arses!
I did say some folk don't need to train.
And I didn't say this will help you win every fight.
You think it's nonsense...against a skilled attacker, read my first comment.
It's not nonsense. If you're looking at it purely MMA then you're wrong.
How would these people fair against a MMA practitioner in a street fight?
How long is a piece of string?
What are their comparative weight, training experience, age etc etc
If every MMA fight was ended with a choke/lock/submission I would say BJJ is the best there is. There are knock outs in MMA, I don't know how many, actually that would be quite interesting to find out what the ratio is between knock outs TKO's and submissions.
MMA isn't the be all and end all in life.
So many people slag of Karate and Aikido because of MMA
Not everyone wants to do MMA.
BJJ is great for MMA. I personally don't want to wrestle some hairy, sweaty old/young man any day of the week. I don't want to do MMA.
And I'll add this, I hope I never have an argument with ANY skilled fighter, rugby player, psycho, man with a gun, a murderer or highly intelligent professor.
@@mortgagefinancing5558 I can't sleep, it's too hot! With regards showing what to do if attacked for real. That's not a demonstration. If it's going to be real then it's a fight, and then it's what type of fight, no rules is real
I suppose ( said it before ) demonstrations were introduced to show off really, get new members etc, it's like tv/movies, Karate is made for tv, looks great on screen, but it wouldn't look like that in the street.
Doesn't mean it doesn't work
If they did a demo were it was real nobody would join!
The THREE throws of Motobu Choki😂.
The lost techniques of karate. I believe this is where the interesting parts aside from just punching, kicking and blocking. All these are there in kata but not taught by instructors, since karate was made simpler for commercialisation purpose.
Thank You 🙏
Milwaukee Gary is the best move.
Try to perform them with no classmate collaboration
It’s a Kata, not a reality… you’re confusing between drills and actual combat.
@@abrahamyuantsur8528 Ok but, what’s the reason of karate practise ? Why are you doing kihon, kata and kumite ? Are you going to take part in a competition ? Is karate a martial art focused on personal defense or just à martial sport ? Sorry but I do not believe in karate ( and many other martial arts.
@@javierum Indeed it's a good question... What you see here is a practice from an art, a dictionary of information... I'm a survivor of a war, in which 90 percent of my company was killed... If it's a self defense I probably will run over One with my car…
Unless you want to break your partner's bones I don't recommend throwing onto hard floor
because of this reason in western karate we use plastics floors over the traditional wood karate.
That is why Wado ryu was created.
What do you mean by that
That is not a Kata Guruma at 1:20.
Gichin Funakoshi’s 1935 book “Karate-Do Kyohan”. The throw is called “Katawa-guruma”, which is variously called either “half-wheel” or “cripple-wheel” in English.
Text book.
@@mortgagefinancing5558 Thus, the comment, "text book." So that future writers can become poets, and future jazz players avant-garde musicians, we pass on the alphabet and scales. Perhaps if you consider the content of this video in this light, you may see that it is designed to initiate practitioners to learn the fundamental means of entry that make less recognizable throws possible in the realistic situations you are no doubt familiar with. I suspect the stripped down applications of what is shown here would surprise you, not least in their similarity to others you consider more realistic.
@@mortgagefinancing5558 Curious as to the categorical nature of your dismissal: although perhaps odd to recognize when implemented against a formalized oizuki attack, which one would rarely, perhaps never, encounter in real time, these throws all stem from their judo counterparts. Do you feel judo has any potential value in a real engagement?
Karaikido?
Geichin Funakoshi is nothing in front of Motobu Choki.
Exactly Choki Motobu actually Kicked funakoshi's Ass in his own Dojo in front of all his students due to funakoshi taking credit after Motobu Sensei Beat the Boxer in Japan
If all you’ve got to say is some idiotic trolling of people dead over 60 years ago, wouldn’t it be better to just stfu?
It's called aikido.