now the demand should be free hindu temples from gov. and temples money should be used only for hindu's purpose no less than that until hindus should not be resting.
Governor Ravi is correct in his assessment of secularism.. congress slyly inserted this word in the constitution so Muslims and Christians could be accommodated in Bharat as they are foreign religions forced upon Hindus in Bharat
Hindus need Sanathan Dharma Parirakshna Samithi to see their grievances at national level!! Hindus should understand the importance and unity in this matter !!
I am very much doubt Sanjay Hegde whether he is a really qualified for Lawyer and he is to well known for his sympathesiser of Congress and hater of Modi
Mr.Hegde could cite example of 1996 and 2002 as times when we were not secular. He conveniently forgets 1984 and 1990. This is classic display of pseudo secularism. Mr.Hegde is a renowned lawyer. Has he ever filed a PIL raising the many inequalities against Hindus?
Indian foreign policy failed when they betrayed Sri Lankan Tamils. India failed to implement the Indo-Sri Lanka Peace Accord , signed in Colombo on 29 July 1987, between Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi and Sri Lankan President J. R. Jayewardene. Congress Party is responsible for the current miserable state of foreign affairs. Sonia Gandhi is to be blamed for all this.
And the Church those days in Europe committed all sorts of atrocities on the society . The society threw out the Church and then progressed. The Earth is FLAT according to the Bible.What scientific temper.😂😂
@@Ronymathew-zy6mw They did not have a choice.Wrong is a mild word for the atrocities committed by the Church all over the world .They have decimated the indigenous communities in Australia Canada US and NewZealand.And in India still at proselytising innocent Hindus by deceit
Mr hedge completely crushed by Mr Ranganathan and always he favours the other community through his legal language amd this could been seen in the latter of the debate
To the West, the word Secular remains same then and now. It is the others like in India who altered the definition. It is a fact that West realised the impracticality and detriment of the interplay of the religion and statecraft. They had the wisdom to isolate the two for the purpose of common good. Religion may still be allowed in politics to some extent but not in government. They reaped the benefits of being objective rather than being subjective and avoided being conflicted in running the affairs of the government and in delivering good governance to the citizens. For most part Democracy flourished and progressed under the practice of Secular Ideals. That is, without denying the religion unlike in communist governments where religion is barred. Therefore for any democracy, particularly for those which are diverse in faith and in traditions, culture etc, the original definition of being Secular is valuable. When the term Secular was incorporated in the preamble of the constitution, in the spirit of above definition, it is valid. Secularism; used elsewhere to mean the equality of all religions in terms of rights and freedom becomes a redundant concept because it is embedded in the constitution under the Right to Religion and Equality. Interpreting and understanding Secularism as Equality Of Religion is therefore quite different from the original notion and intent while the term Secular was incorporated in the preamble of the Constitution. So be it. They are two similar sounding words and are quite different from eachother in the sense of the meaning derived from them. Therefore it is quite logical that the term Secular, as meant in the West, is indeed quite valuable and appropriate in a Democracy. Let noble thoughts come from all sides. Satyameva Jayate ✌️ Jai Hind 🫡
change the preamble of the Constitution restore the original preamble. indira betrayed Hindus and India. She was worst dictaotor and insulted the founding fathers of Indian Constitution, infact insertion of secular socialist is blatant vilification of Dr Ambedkar by an illiterate then PM.
Please consider my kind suggestion that please make Political Bureau Head from the News 18 Kannada Channel Chidananda Patel as he is very professional and has a very good knowledge as he can go to abroad and I am a big fan of him
If India is secular because of the inclusive ideology of Hinduism, what is the problem in having that word inserted in the preamble especially in view of the rise in militant Hinduism?
You don‘t seem to understand the discussion. India is not secular. It is plural. How is it secular if the govt controls and uses temples funds but the church or mosque are free? How is it secular if pastors and moulvis get salaries from govts but not archakas? Just because the word secular is inserted in the constitution surreptitiously as part of an appesement policy India does not become secular. Hindus are fed up of this discrimination. Why would a party like BJP come to power? It is because ‘secular‘, parties sidelined Hindus in favour of certain minorities. It cannot go on like this.
@@RAMESH-js9lc You don't seem to understand the point either. If there are aberrations in Indian secularism, try to correct them. Having the word 'secular' in the preamble is immaterial as the preamble is nonjusticiable. It was indeed a political ploy by Indira Gandhi. To come to your point, the government controlling the Temples has nothing to do with secularism. They want the control because they generate huge revenues. The income from Tirupati must be equal to the budgetary allocation of some small states. That's why even BJP is reluctant to let go of the reins. They had ten years to do that, but didn't. Naidu will blame Jagan but will never give up his power over the temples. The pressure has to be exerted by a united Hindu community to take over the temple management. It's not that it's going to be a smooth run after the government quits. Among the Christians, there are lots of problems in management of their institutions. Lots of churches have been locked up and the devotees denied the right to worship because of factionalism and power struggle. Then that's none of our business
Atrocities against women and rape are happening regularly everywhere. But it is worse in BJP ruled States of UP, Rajasthan, MP, Maharashtra and Gujarat. Why you people are silent and not debating as you did for Kolkata rape murder. Media should be unbiased and independent. Worst things happening in UP. But you people are not at all bothered. Shame on you.
Rahul shivshankar ji enlightened in detail. Governor Ravi ji is right as Sanatan Dharma is inherent of all faiths are inclusive. Undoubetedly secularism is imported and selfishly being extensively used by all pseudos incl vested interested politicians for vote bank politics. Debate is insightful.
Modi is even worse than Ghandi and Nehru combined. The only thing he thinks is "working" is appeasement, appeasement and appesement at the cost of the nation at the cost of the majority in India. His foreign policy is total disaster when it comes neighbours. We all know that he his trying to fix the economy by appeasing INDIA haters abroad and majority haters at home. And so the question remains, for whom are you building the economy? if you cant take care of needs and requirement of the majority back home but you only need them for their votes to appease the minority and the India hating neighbours than, something is very wrong at the foundation. I believe if Modi remains too long in power the majority in India will suffer. Also, the neighbours will all join China. Just look at Maldives and SL, how much hate they spew againts India and Indians but what he is doing? He is taxing the Indians and pay the Maldivians and Lankans. Asthough he is rewarding them for their hate towards India! Something is fundementaly wrong with this guy. Either he is a James Modi or a Malik Modi or a Xi Jing Modi but was never the Narendra Modi that people expected him to be.
Constituent assembly full of stalwarts brilliantly kept the secular word out of constituent, and that is binding on all branches of government by annulling thd constituent amendment of autocratic Energency goverment.
Thanks to Sri Ravi for his bold assertions,the word surreptitiously inserted by Congress in the Constitution. In India Secularism means promoting the Minorities ie Muslims, Secularism is nothing but Minority appeasement 😂😂
Sanjay Hegde has lost his moorings. He has pledged his conscience elsewhere because of his pathological hatred towards RSS, BJP and Modi. He, a very learned person should have common wisdom to know Hindus, Hindu Culture, Hindu Traditions are not born from RSS or BJP nor from Modi. These were there for thousands of years. There are consistent reformations to suit the time and the reformations are adapted as well to a great extent. But does it happen in Abrahamic Religions. Mr Hegde should come out in open. Why he kept his mouth shut when half a million Kashmiri Hindus were driven out of Kadhmir ? Why he did not talk against the Congress which orchestrated the Sikh pogram. Does he subscribe to the view of "wise" Rahul fake Ghandhi when he said, Sikhs are not allowed to wear the turbans and kada ? If he did not agree, did he talked his way out condemning the statement of Rahul. Mr Hegde please be neutral and be factual. Your hate of Modi should not poison your innate wisdom and judicial knowledge.
The day TDP came to power all sort of frauds started in Tirupati. Why should you fix rates for Dharsan? Why Laddoo should be sold lke trader?. What the Hindu temples are doing is only a caste politics. Different treatment for different types of People. With money you are buying God . Is there equality of Dharsan or prayer in Hindu temples. Then you talk.
Are you from Buckingham palace ? Indian Christians are not originals. Converted for bread and jam. Foreign white Christian people will never treat you equally.
Constituent assembly full of stalwarts brilliantly kept the secular word out of constituent, and that is binding on all branches of government by annulling thd constituent amendment of autocratic Energency goverment.
Anand Ranganathan literally blasted the pseudo-secularism without mincing words. Congratulations to him.
Tamilnadu Governer is always correct in whatever he says.
That's why no one takes him seriously😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Just like yourim don't take you seriously😅@@Attitudezero884
For the brainless.
@@Attitudezero884superb reply
He his correct, in my opinion..
Your opinion is not educated with history
now the demand should be free hindu temples from gov. and temples money should be used only for hindu's purpose no less than that until hindus should not be resting.
Now we should not put any currency in temple hundi directly help the poor Hindus that's the best solution
Anand Ranganathan is just very smart and it is hard for ordinary advocates to keep up with him. And KN Ravi is the bane of DMK and ADMK. 🙃
Hell to secularism!! Ask these people who are talking about it to look back to who their ancestors are!!
Secularism means no display any religion openly in the public ala France ,read and understand that
The best way secularism irevelance to Bharat is put in front....excellant your excellency
So is democracy
Governor Ravi is correct in his assessment of secularism.. congress slyly inserted this word in the constitution so Muslims and Christians could be accommodated in Bharat as they are foreign religions forced upon Hindus in Bharat
How is this controversial? Is speaking truth now controversial in this country?
Hindus need Sanathan Dharma Parirakshna Samithi to see their grievances at national level!! Hindus should understand the importance and unity in this matter !!
Mr Hdgde wrong argument if was inserted without any discussion.
🎯💎🏆 Great insightful Debate 🏆💎🎯
लोकः समस्ताः सुखिनो भवन्तु
( May all beings lead prosperous life across Globe 🌍 )
As a first step, we should remove governor post as it is from British
Time for a 'Protection of Brahmins against Atrocities Act' identical to the SC/ST Act.
Even democracy is European. When in history did the population vote for a king? What’s rummy’s stand on that
Lets keep one hindu country for hindus🙏
Hegade is unfit to practice in SC.
As long as his clients and judges have no problem, who cares for your opinion?
Love and respect for governor 👏 ❤
Sir , great to hear your thoughts
How can a governor speak against constitution
Hegde... how was it a constitution choice... it was forced upon us
RSS BJP plz work closely save Hindus in India
All Hindus wake up wake up wake up surport BJP Hindu government to save Hindus property in India
🤡🤡🤡
In Hegde's incompetence and inability to remember facts, he conveniently tries to put down Anand🤦🏾♀️ Teens behave better
The question should be are other abrahamic religions secular enough to continue the ethos or is it only to be followed by Hindus ??
No frauds in the name of dharma?🤡🤡🤡
I like Ravi ji🙏🙏
Don’t give Damn if we Have So many Diversity or Religion. We should remove this Word”secular “ Mr Sanjay Hedge “??
I am very much doubt Sanjay Hegde whether he is a really qualified for Lawyer and he is to well known for his sympathesiser of Congress and hater of Modi
Ravi sir is right 🙏
As per ambedkar he is not mahatma, he is just mr.gandhi...
Thanks to Mr Ravi to be brave enough to put up his Bold views just as Nupur Sharma did
Mr.Hegde could cite example of 1996 and 2002 as times when we were not secular. He conveniently forgets 1984 and 1990. This is classic display of pseudo secularism.
Mr.Hegde is a renowned lawyer. Has he ever filed a PIL raising the many inequalities against Hindus?
Indian foreign policy failed when they betrayed Sri Lankan Tamils. India failed to implement the Indo-Sri Lanka Peace Accord , signed in Colombo on 29 July 1987, between Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi and Sri Lankan President J. R. Jayewardene. Congress Party is responsible for the current miserable state of foreign affairs. Sonia Gandhi is to be blamed for all this.
And the Church those days in Europe committed all sorts of atrocities on the society . The society threw out the Church and then progressed. The Earth is FLAT according to the Bible.What scientific temper.😂😂
they show boldness by accepting they were wrong afterwards.
@@Ronymathew-zy6mw They did not have a choice.Wrong is a mild word for the atrocities committed by the Church all over the world .They have decimated the indigenous communities in Australia Canada US and NewZealand.And in India still at proselytising innocent Hindus by deceit
He still does not answer whether Hindu genocide was secular.
Ranganathan on fire😂😂😂😂
He is telling the truth.... thanks to him thank 🙏🙏
You See how a renowned SC advocate dance around his hypocrisy.
Mr hedge completely crushed by Mr Ranganathan and always he favours the other community through his legal language amd this could been seen in the latter of the debate
To the West, the word Secular remains same then and now. It is the others like in India who altered the definition.
It is a fact that West realised the impracticality and detriment of the interplay of the religion and statecraft. They had the wisdom to isolate the two for the purpose of common good. Religion may still be allowed in politics to some extent but not in government. They reaped the benefits of being objective rather than being subjective and avoided being conflicted in running the affairs of the government and in delivering good governance to the citizens. For most part Democracy flourished and progressed under the practice of Secular Ideals. That is, without denying the religion unlike in communist governments where religion is barred.
Therefore for any democracy, particularly for those which are diverse in faith and in traditions, culture etc, the original definition of being Secular is valuable. When the term Secular was incorporated in the preamble of the constitution, in the spirit of above definition, it is valid.
Secularism; used elsewhere to mean the equality of all religions in terms of rights and freedom becomes a redundant concept because it is embedded in the constitution under the Right to Religion and Equality. Interpreting and understanding Secularism as Equality Of Religion is therefore quite different from the original notion and intent while the term Secular was incorporated in the preamble of the Constitution.
So be it. They are two similar sounding words and are quite different from eachother in the sense of the meaning derived from them.
Therefore it is quite logical that the term Secular, as meant in the West, is indeed quite valuable and appropriate in a Democracy.
Let noble thoughts come from all sides.
Satyameva Jayate ✌️
Jai Hind 🫡
Governor is correct in his position & why he told about secularism is exactly what he said
The Governor is right . I support the sayings of the Governor.
change the preamble of the Constitution restore the original preamble. indira betrayed Hindus and India. She was worst dictaotor and insulted the founding fathers of Indian Constitution, infact insertion of secular socialist is blatant vilification of Dr Ambedkar by an illiterate then PM.
Is Mr.Gegde an advocate practising at the supreme?? So garbled arguments were presented by him.😂
India/Bharat IS Hindu Rashtra! Take it or leave it. We don't care. Don't like it? Leave.
People of TN do not like Ravi
Please consider my kind suggestion that please make Political Bureau Head from the News 18 Kannada Channel Chidananda Patel as he is very professional and has a very good knowledge as he can go to abroad and I am a big fan of him
Discourse+Dialogue+Discussion+Debate = Discrimination+Deceit+Disruption+Destruction (at the end), as far as the Hindus are considered.
Islamism+communism+christianism = pure sanatani grinha (Hindumisia)
Godi media 🤡🤡🤡
The Governor of TN is perfectly right, in defining the word "SECULARISM.
If India is secular because of the inclusive ideology of Hinduism, what is the problem in having that word inserted in the preamble especially in view of the rise in militant Hinduism?
You don‘t seem to understand the discussion. India is not secular. It is plural. How is it secular if the govt controls and uses temples funds but the church or mosque are free?
How is it secular if pastors and moulvis get salaries from govts but not archakas?
Just because the word secular is inserted in the constitution surreptitiously as part of an appesement policy India does not become secular.
Hindus are fed up of this discrimination. Why would a party like BJP come to power? It is because ‘secular‘, parties sidelined Hindus in favour of certain minorities.
It cannot go on like this.
@@RAMESH-js9lc
You don't seem to understand the point either. If there are aberrations in Indian secularism, try to correct them. Having the word 'secular' in the preamble is immaterial as the preamble is nonjusticiable. It was indeed a political ploy by Indira Gandhi.
To come to your point, the government controlling the Temples has nothing to do with secularism. They want the control because they generate huge revenues. The income from Tirupati must be equal to the budgetary allocation of some small states. That's why even BJP is reluctant to let go of the reins. They had ten years to do that, but didn't. Naidu will blame Jagan but will never give up his power over the temples. The pressure has to be exerted by a united Hindu community to take over the temple management.
It's not that it's going to be a smooth run after the government quits. Among the Christians, there are lots of problems in management of their institutions. Lots of churches have been locked up and the devotees denied the right to worship because of factionalism and power struggle. Then that's none of our business
Atrocities against women and rape are happening regularly everywhere. But it is worse in BJP ruled States of UP, Rajasthan, MP, Maharashtra and Gujarat. Why you people are silent and not debating as you did for Kolkata rape murder. Media should be unbiased and independent. Worst things happening in UP. But you people are not at all bothered. Shame on you.
superb reply. Keep it up. All these anchors were RSS bhakts. The forth coming assembly election will spell doom for these Andh bhskths.
All Hindus plz plz plz surport India to be Hindu country
Rahul shivshankar ji enlightened in detail. Governor Ravi ji is right as Sanatan Dharma is inherent of all faiths are inclusive. Undoubetedly secularism is imported and selfishly being extensively used by all pseudos incl vested interested politicians for vote bank politics. Debate is insightful.
Modi is even worse than Ghandi and Nehru combined. The only thing he thinks is "working" is appeasement, appeasement and appesement at the cost of the nation at the cost of the majority in India. His foreign policy is total disaster when it comes neighbours. We all know that he his trying to fix the economy by appeasing INDIA haters abroad and majority haters at home. And so the question remains, for whom are you building the economy? if you cant take care of needs and requirement of the majority back home but you only need them for their votes to appease the minority and the India hating neighbours than, something is very wrong at the foundation. I believe if Modi remains too long in power the majority in India will suffer. Also, the neighbours will all join China. Just look at Maldives and SL, how much hate they spew againts India and Indians but what he is doing? He is taxing the Indians and pay the Maldivians and Lankans. Asthough he is rewarding them for their hate towards India! Something is fundementaly wrong with this guy. Either he is a James Modi or a Malik Modi or a Xi Jing Modi but was never the Narendra Modi that people expected him to be.
why talk in English....
Let's talk Sanskrit then. Do we start !!!
Cuz north Indians don't know Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam, kannada and etc etc . Tell him to speak in hindi then
Declare hindu rashtra we don't need secularism
Oni BJP government can save Hindus in India
What a joke
If changing constitution is a crime , then crime was committed by congress party ,and the guilty should be punished for committing such crime
Constituent assembly full of stalwarts brilliantly kept the secular word out of constituent, and that is binding on all branches of government by annulling thd constituent amendment of autocratic Energency goverment.
Thanks to Sri Ravi for his bold assertions,the word surreptitiously inserted by Congress in the Constitution.
In India Secularism means promoting the Minorities ie Muslims, Secularism is nothing but Minority appeasement 😂😂
This stupid anti Hindu hedge has to be dealt with in his hometown by Hindus. Aren't there any real Hindu living in his neighborhood?
Hegde quoted 'Gay Marriage'. But, the purpose of marriage is to have offspring. Do they have this purpose there.
Sanjay Hegde has lost his moorings. He has pledged his conscience elsewhere because of his pathological hatred towards RSS, BJP and Modi. He, a very learned person should have common wisdom to know Hindus, Hindu Culture, Hindu Traditions are not born from RSS or BJP nor from Modi.
These were there for thousands of years. There are consistent reformations to suit the time and the reformations are adapted as well to a great extent. But does it happen in Abrahamic Religions.
Mr Hegde should come out in open. Why he kept his mouth shut when half a million Kashmiri Hindus were driven out of Kadhmir ? Why he did not talk against the Congress which orchestrated the Sikh pogram. Does he subscribe to the view of "wise" Rahul fake Ghandhi when he said, Sikhs are not allowed to wear the turbans and kada ? If he did not agree, did he talked his way out condemning the statement of Rahul. Mr Hegde please be neutral and be factual. Your hate of Modi should not poison your innate wisdom and judicial knowledge.
Where are the Hindus? Fight for whom?
Mr Hegde,are you not an advocate, because you don't have any knowledge
Durga ammaiyarin mangla sutra if itis tied off
Mr Hedge also did answer your question in whether India was Secular before the amendment of the Constitution
BJP sarkar napunsak
If Congress opposes any thing, then that thing must be right
The day TDP came to power all sort of frauds started in Tirupati. Why should you fix rates for Dharsan? Why Laddoo should be sold lke trader?. What the Hindu temples are doing is only a caste politics. Different treatment for different types of People. With money you are buying God . Is there equality of Dharsan or prayer in Hindu temples. Then you talk.
Best classical comedian bloody sanghi spotted 😊
A comedian is far better than a 420
Yeah, please collect 200 rs, liquor & biriyani for your comment from your masters....
Are you from Buckingham palace ? Indian Christians are not originals. Converted for bread and jam.
Foreign white Christian people will never treat you equally.
Ahhh what do we have here? A rice bag convert
Ignorance is a choice ' more delve in as virle potent , claiming pride on top ,
Constituent assembly full of stalwarts brilliantly kept the secular word out of constituent, and that is binding on all branches of government by annulling thd constituent amendment of autocratic Energency goverment.