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- They Said It Was Too Fat! Now She Rips! Holzfforma G660 Saw Battle!
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Nice job Chris. The reason they set those carbs at the factory at that setting, is to give what they consider to be "safe" for wherever and by whoever uses it. The issue is, they are set at whatever altitude and barometric pressure exists at that location. Your location can, and most likely will be totally different, requiring that you "tune it" to specific lication.
When I started falling as a young man, I always "tuned" my saws at home. When I got to the bush however, my saws would "always" have to be "retuned" to run properly at the location I was working at, usually at as much as 2000 feet above where I lived.
Hope this helps. Blessings!
Total understand. Appreciate you!
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Okay, that's more like what I had expected! I guess this illustrates selling point of the 500i: it's always at optimal tune.
Did make a difference
Sounds much better. I have a 660 kit that I assembled did some porting to, tightened squish ect and it's a great running saw. Though I bought a g372xp and it required a oem carb to get it right. But buying direct from them is different than buying from your local stihl to husky dealer as they typically do a first start and tune (ones that actually have adjustable carbs anymore lol) them for you before they send em out the door. Always run fat for a few tanks than lean em out. Keep up the good work 👍
Thanks Robert!
I have a G660 I leaned it out also. Run them like you stole it. Then rebuild. Hope everyone had a great weekend!
Fantastic weekend!
That cut like a demon Chris. Impressive buddy!.
Definitely woke it up!
Awesome! It’s a little faster and closer... personally I’d go back down to 11,800 or just under 12k to make it last longer... I’m usually 11,400 to 11,800 but I’ve never worried about the fastest cuts just about the saw running for a long time and earning it’s keep. But then again at 40:1 I’ll remove some carbon every couple of years. I automatically take 3 swipes off the rakers on a new chain but I’ve preferred the.035 depth gauge for quite a while... unless you’re in frozen hardwood. The old g660 sounds really good! Great bang for your buck there on those g660’s...😂👍
I may back it down. We shall see
Good comparison brother! If you want too, next time load the saws a little more and try to compensate at the beginning and end of the log when it's smaller. I've found with stock chain saws make slightly faster cuts with a little more load, but not too much. If you get a chance throw an 8 pin on them and see how they do, I would guess the 660 would really like an 8 pin. ✌
Thank you!
Great explanation!
Thanks!
That sounds a lot better . Now with 90 cc you can adj. Depth gauages to your liking . Have fun !
It did improve
Tuning is a science most do not get. 13.5k is to fast. Set it at 13k. It was close before you changed it. Wasn't that bad before. Setting a saw at max unloaded rpm doesn't always give max torque. Max unloaded rpm isn't a setting. Just means do not exceed it.
You gotta check out the jon cutter chain saws the g5800 is a little work horse with the right modifications
Been eyeballing them bad boys!
Sounds Good! Take care buddy!
Thanks, you too!
Thank you very much. Wasn't trying to be disrespectful at all. And the camera was fine. Thanks again. And yes, I subscribed to your channel. Thank you for the content also.
Awesome! Thank you!
Hey Chris
Just finished hanging my plumb cruiser head on your new Adirondack cruiser handle. Looks great I’m just missing one thing......
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Coming soon!
Nice and fair comparison. Yes, your original tune was a bit rich, but it's what I would consider a good safe work tune. It 4-stroked readily at light load, but cleaned up and 2-stroked instantly once load was applied. IMHO, you have it too lean now. I don't think I once heard it 4-stroke at WOT. I wouldn't want to run it that lean that long.
I agree. I will fatten it back up next time I run it. For video sake and curiosity I wanted to see what it could do if I listened to the masses. It did cut much faster. I think I can find a compromise and get it dialed in where it will perform good and not blow up.
Very informative. Chainsaws are not my strong point. Thanks for sharing your knowledge 👊🏿🇺🇸
I'm still learning all this myself. Falling the trees is my weakest point lol. Practice and being careful, I will get good at it.
You got your camera setup hell of a lot better than most people I watch on here
Thank you! I appreciate and try to think of that stuff when I'm filming
What your saying about farmertech really having great knowledge and for thought when factory setting a carb is just not right. They will set the needle at a generic position where the saw will start, run and be safe at ANY altitude the saw ends up at. But by God you gotta tune the saw to your fuel, elevation and conditions. I'd run 32-40:1 oil and for daily use I wouldn't have the saw tuned in the ragged edge of death to pls YT subs cutting cookies. Definately sounds better now.
Yup
She's a rippin' now!
Yes sir! Crazy the difference!
I see lumber and plank millwork where you saw firewood.
Maybe next time.
That's a big boy saw now!
Certainly runs much better
I like to fatten up the oil ratio. When I do that. No less than 40:1. Seems to help.
I run 40:1 in all my saws. I dont trust the 50:1
@@KillingerUSA More oil means running leaner as there is less gasoline making it to the combustion chamber... That suggests the 660 must have been REALLY fat!
I run my Stihl pro saws at the recommended 50:1 ratio with synthetic Stihl mix oil and non-ethanal gasoline. The engine lubrication is just fine as evidenced by nice clean pistons after years if service.
Checking in 👊🏼🔥🧡👍🏻
Well hey there buddy!
I like my blue 660, I bought it because of getting a LOT of 48 inch & bigger 12 foot lengths of different firewood trees, I cut them shorter, cut them in half, then use my splitter in the upright position, lots of work but lots of firewood QUICK, but I’ve been suprised how good of a saw it is, I thought it would always be needing work
I haven't done a thing to mine and have had it 3 or 4 years now. I have even loaned it out yo buddies. Comes back fine. Crazy good deal on these things.
@@KillingerUSA yeah mine is bone stock also, I ordered a bunch of parts they say to basically change right away, they are all sitting on a shelf in my basement lol, like the recoil starter & stuff
From what I understand, both saws are built from the specifications and engineering of Stihl. The farm tech is the released license of copyright from Stihl power equipment, and most of the parts are said to be interchangeable! How true this is,I don’t know, but proper tuning for your climate is always needed, because of barometric pressures, and differences in air quality, you may need to richen or lean out the fuel mixtures, and possibly adjust minute things like plug gap, and throttle detents.
Completely interchangeable. What I cant find, is what the rpm should be for my climate and altitude.
@@KillingerUSA well, i would look at what Stihl recommends for their version of that saw, then run it a just below that!
@@thesmallwoodlot433 yes, I see it is recommending 13000rpm max. I'll dial it back a bit.
@@KillingerUSA 👍
@@KillingerUSA 13000 is pretty conservative for a chainsaw. You'll probably see less wear and tear and operating Temps will certainly be lower. Nothing wrong with running it a touch fat. The new m-tronic Saws typically tac out at 13,588... but they also constantly tune themselves for the current operating conditions
Farmertec doesn't set their carbs correctly from the factory. I'm not sure they even run the saws at the factory. Most are set WAY to rich, which is why everyone has problems getting them started. Most are flooded after two pulls with it choked.
Mine always run from them. Just need tuned
You should see one ported running 15k. I even built a farmertec 660 hot saw!
I bet it's a beast!
Hi Chris!!😀😀
Farmertec sets all of their saws a little rich. I'm not sure what altitude they are at either. That makes quite a difference in the way they run. You always need to set the saw for where you are. I sometimes think that 13,500 is kinda fast for them though. Your saw sounds really good at that RPM. I always just set mine by ear because I don't have a tachometer. But when they have checked mine at the shop a couple times it always seemed to be adjusted to around 12,500 RPM. I have a ms261 and it runs too lean for me. I took it in and they put it on the tachometer and it was running at 13,500 and that is as fat as you can set it.
Every saw has a sweet spot where it likes to run.
The 500i is always set to its sweet spot automatically.
Thanks for tuning her up for us so she had a better showing.
Take care buddy!!😀😀❤
it's fun! Pleasure Al! I'm gonna run her there for a while. Seems like she likes it. Time will tell what happens
@@KillingerUSA That's what I thought too. She sounds really good when she is coming down from full throttle. As long as they idle down smoothly they are not too lean.
Hey buddy remember you cant make everyone happy. And if you try to make everyone happy you will drive yourself insane
Very true! This was an easy fix and it helps tell the story
@@KillingerUSA i know it was an easy fix buddy just took the opportunity to remind ya as a friend of a wise old truth
Just like a musician tunes their instrument before, during and after they play a song. A Feller will do the same with their saw as they are falling threw-out the day.
Think about this. A Faller starts felling at 6:00AM and it is 35 °F to 40 °F then by 5:00PM it can be 85 °F to 90 °F Or maybe a rain/snow storm blows in for a few hours. (Montana is really bad for this.) Anyhow as the Feller is falling timber threw-out the day his air-filter will be getting dirty and he is working to the top of the mountain or maybe cutting a strip to the bottom for the hooktender.
Air temp, humidity, altitude and how clean your air-filter are all big factors in the life of a chainsaw. This is why every Faller/Feller carries a small screwdriver on him at all times.
( I must be OK at this because all my saws die by being crushed with a tree or log. I still don't trust m-tronic. It might be a IQ thing lol. I'm not saying it is bad. I do not know. I just run old saws )
On the West Coast in the U.S. most Fallers get paid for the timber they put on the ground. You want to work as fast as you can all day. It is much faster to keep adjusting the air-fuel mixture and clean the saw later. (Unless it is really bad. Lunch will be cleaning the filter as you eat. lol )
BTW, Yes I,m using word-play with Feller/Faller and felling/falling. It makes me smile :-) ...Sorrry guys :D
It's just what happen to a man when that timber gets him. I'm a little off sometimes :-)
I appreciate your input and help! I will monitor this saw as I use it. See what happens. Either way, it really woke up, that's for sure.
@@KillingerUSA Sure, No problem :-)
Remember I'm learning as well. I have never run a saw from China.
@@ironwoodworkman4917 haha!
The only negative with the M-tronic or auto carb is your ability to control it and run it a tad rich by choice. You don’t cut as fast at 11,800 as you do at full bore but in 10 years there’s going to be more piston and cylinder leftover in your engine. I’d love to see an M-tronic that you could setup for 12k or whatever via the dealer... my only other complaint is that I can’t own the software on my laptop to scan my own saw... I do all my own work... there’s definitely a trust issue there for me...??? Awesome video update!!! I’m going to watch the 500i again!!! 😂👍❤️
@@DaveyBlue32 I see... I always thought a computer chip would just die. They must have some good ones or do something to make them last.
I still like running them rich on hot dry days. Heck anything over 90 °F and I start moving slow myself.
2 stroke engines are finicky little creatures. Elevation, temperature, humidity, not to mention the fuel and oil quality, all affect carb settings. So, saying "I trust their factory settings" is something, in advisement of common decency, I will just say I respectfully disagree.
Hearing the improvement in how that saw ran with a minor carb adjustment definitely enhanced my confidence in purchasing one of these saws.
It was foolish of my to say that. I should have worded it more carefully. Nevertheless, in the end, I tuned it as it should be and it's a good running machine. Very happy with this saw for the money.
Sounds better n definitely cutting better.
Aggre
Get a 10 pin rim and set to factory and test and then test at 13500.
That thing sounds good! I would be hesitant to lean it out too, but then again, i guess they're cheap enough if you blow it up.......
If it was my only saw and I depended on it for a living, I'd be less aggressive. Being it's a pretty cheap saw and I have plenty of back up. Let's see what happens.
Regarding the speed of the engine. I'd think that running the saw at too low of a speed would be similar to lugging an auto/motorcycle engine by running it in too high a gear for the ground speed. The engine would run hotter and the timing may be off under the lower speed conditions as compared to running the engine at the proper higher speed. Thus you may actually be doing heat damage to the engine by running it too fat.
Chain oiling would also be affected by lugging if the oiler had been originally set for the higher engine speed... though in your case it was apparently turned way up.
P.S. Folks whom have never driven a standard transmission (vs. an automatic) may not understand lugging an engine!
P.S.S. Binoculars would have been useful if you watched the video on your phone as I did for the first related video. On the computer monitor it was likely fine... 😉
It did oil much more now at the higher speed.
Leaner always runs hotter on a chainsaw.
I been running my Jonsered a "little" fat its whole life and have done nothing to it but an occasional plug . Hope she holds up for ya!
Time will tell
I tune mine to kill they been going strong for years!! 50:1
Sounds better. You would think the factory would optimize the ports and timing
, carb etc. is it cost or $ or longevity that holds them back? Even a simple muffle. Why wouldn’t they just put a properly tuned exhaust on it right from the factory. Which is your go to saw?.
I think it comes down to they cant control the consumer so they play it safe.
Right now, my go to is the 500i. It is hands down the smoothest running saw out of all the saws I own. Trust me, it's not an easy decision. All my saws are great saws.
Carb would need to be tuned to your elevation.for optimum performance. They supposedly tune to best performance at there elevation. Just my understanding correct me if I'm wrong.
I think they have a genaric setting but you are also correct about tune to elevation.
How’s she runnning now have you used it much .!! 10 months later .??
Just posted a recent video about it. It's great! The video is Farmertech G660 after 2 years or something.
@@KillingerUSA thank you brother. I placed my order last week I have just been checking on reviews. Kindness and love .!!
Is that range busy as ever even with ammo being so scarce and pricey?
They are definitely not as busy. But some how some folks still have more money than brains and are spending it. I for one refuse to pay the price of ammo. It's just nonsense. I'll keep what I got and shoot when its replaceable.
Are you still happy with the saw? I need a bigger chainsaw for some huge white oak I came across. Also like that Holzforma makes a solid bar so I don’t lose inches on my chainsaw mill.
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Chris on most Stihl saws you will feel them break-in. (I,m not sure about husky. I never bought a new one.) Has the G-066 felt like it has gone into overdrive yet?
It always happens in the middle of a large cut for me. ( I will not have anyone work on them until this happens. )
I cant say for sure? The problem I have , is I have so many saws and got them all within a short period of time. None of them have gotten a true work out.
@@KillingerUSA I see...Well I think the 500i will let you know when it breaks in. I'm also thinking the G660 will do the same thing but only 50/50...It did run more like a real 066 when you turned it up :-)
Nice video...thanks!!! Earned my sub. Do you have a link for that Tach you are using???
Yes, click on my Amazon link in the description. Should be in the section on my Amazon page that says "used on my homestead " welcome to the channel!
@@KillingerUSA thanks you for the reply. I read the reviews on that item, and some were critical of the button not working. Have you had any issues the button or otherwise?
@@GrizOnTheTrail none at all.
Hi. Where you got the saw at? Amazon or holzfforma web site? & I was wondering is it worth getting this chainsaw?
Amazon. Yes it's worth it
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What's the bar/chain and sprocket setup?On the g660.
28" bar, 3/8" chain. I believe it's a 7 pin? But I really dont know
Have you used the saw much since? How's it performing now?
Have not, but I'll have it out soon. Definitely do a video
Look forward to it! So close to buying one, working 12 hr nightshifts should be illegal 🤣 costs ya to much money
I have one and i would say you could run the 660 at 12500 and it will stay reliable, 13500 to much in my opinion, it is max for ms660 , but hey my car can do 160 mph but how long will it run if i drive at that speed every day
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So I've watched a ton of these videos and from the looks of this wood looks like hickory and the 500i coming in at 10.3? Seconds I have the same saw and idk if any of these guys have sharp chains but my saw woulda cut through that in about half the time maybe a second or two off I'm going to make my own channel this guys got oil pouring out the bottom of the saw half these "saw guys" I feel don't run them everyday
Glad to here your going to start you own channel! Let me know when you get your video up! Also, I'm no saw guy. No sir. I'm just a dude that likes chainsaws.
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Haha! So true!