Pentastar V6 | PUG Upgrade | Lower intake manifold
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- So here we go. We are installing the lower intake manifold from the 2018 and up Chrysler, Dodge, RAM, Jeep V6 Pentastar Engine with the start/stop technology. As some have started to port the lower intake manifold FCA came out with one that is better than ported. After measuring the volume it is actually about 20ml or 20ccm bigger than the ones that came before. To me, for around $100, it is a worth while upgrade to my vehicle.
If you are actually reading the description you will learn that I broke the o-ring on one of the injectors. I didn't use assembly fluid which would have saved me from a gassy mess. So I bought new o-rings and assembly fluid and the second time around it worked like a charm. I will include links to the rings and assembly fluid below.
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Here is a list of cars that already come from the factory with the Upgraded Lower Intake Manifold:
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 A/T BASE 2018
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 A/T Limited 2017, 2018
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 A/T LIMITED PLATINUM 2017
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 A/T LX 2017, 2018
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 A/T Touring 2017, 2018
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 A/T Touring L 2017, 2018
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 A/T Touring L Plus 2017, 2018
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 A/T TOURING PLUS 2018
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 e-Flite Si-EVT EHYBRID PLATINUM 2018
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 e-Flite Si-EVT EHYBRID PREMIUM 2018
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 e-Flite Si-EVT EHYBRID TOURING 2018
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 e-Flite Si-EVT LIMITED HYBRID 2018
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 EFlite Si-EVT LIMITED HYBRID 2017
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 EFlite Si-EVT Ltd Platinum Hybrid 2017
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 EFlite Si-EVT TOURING HYBRID 2017
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 EFlite Si-EVT TOURING L HYBRID 2017
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 Hybrid Limited 2019
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 Hybrid Touring L 2019
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 Hybrid Touring Plus 2019
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 L 2019
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 Limited 2019
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 LX 2019
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 Touring L 2019
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 Touring L Plus 2019
Chrysler Pacifica 3.6L V6 TOURING PLUS 2019
Dodge Durango 3.6L V6 AWD CITADEL 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019
Dodge Durango 3.6L V6 AWD GT 2018, 2019
Dodge Durango 3.6L V6 AWD Limited 2016, 2017
Dodge Durango 3.6L V6 AWD Pursuit 2019
Dodge Durango 3.6L V6 AWD SPECIAL SERVICE 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019
Dodge Durango 3.6L V6 AWD SXT 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019
Dodge Durango 3.6L V6 CITADEL 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019
Dodge Durango 3.6L V6 GT 2018, 2019
Dodge Durango 3.6L V6 Limited 2016, 2017
Dodge Durango 3.6L V6 SPECIAL SERVICE 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019
Dodge Durango 3.6L V6 SXT 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019
Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.6L V6 4X2 LAREDO 2016, 2017, 2018
Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.6L V6 4X2 Limited 2016, 2017, 2018
Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.6L V6 4X2 OVERLAND 2016, 2017, 2018
Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.6L V6 4X2 SUMMIT 2016, 2017, 2018
Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.6L V6 4X4 LAREDO 2016, 2017, 2018
Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.6L V6 4X4 Limited 2016, 2017, 2018
Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.6L V6 4X4 OVERLAND 2016, 2017, 2018
Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.6L V6 4X4 SUMMIT 2016, 2017, 2018
Jeep Grand Cherokee 3.6L V6 4X4 TRAILHAWK 2017, 2018
Jeep Wrangler 3.6L V6 A/T 2018
RAM 1500 3.6L V6 2019
PUG Upgrade
Lower intake
Lower intake manifold
3.6l
3.6 pentastar
pentastar engine
ported intake
lower intake manifold gasket
Disconnect the fuel line then take injectors/lower intake off as a unit (much easier to do the rest on the bench, less mess too).
Replace the gaskets if they're deformed don't risk a leak because of $20 in silicone
Be very careful about overtightening upper/lower intakes, the plastic cracks/strips very easily.
It’s been about 5k miles and all is good with the seals. If I have to take it off again I’ll get a new set. I tried to depressurize the system (after this video on another tear down) but still a mess.
Just so y’all know, I just did the same on my 2014 Grand Caravan and it is a success!
That is awesome! Thanks for sharing.
Planning on doing mine on my 2014 Grand Caravan as well!
Did you gain mpg or did you just gain hp did you feel that it was good gain in mid to low rpm range so 😎
Mid and low range is much better. I lost mpg as i got bigger injectors. I have a half edited video on that. I hope to be able to complete it soon.
Just modified my 2012 Durango and its much better on low and mid RPM. Towing a 2Ton Caravan and the number of anoying downshifts worth it. 👍
I’m a Dodge Chrysler Jeep Ram mechanic since 1996. You should never re use the blue intake gaskets. They are not re useable. They swell and get soft immediately. The newer ones are green and re useable. Also you can pull that lower intake with the fuel rail installed. No need to disassemble in the car like you did.
Thanks for your info. I wasn’t able to find greens ones a couple of years ago but I will research it and get me a set as I need to pull it off again. In regards to the fuel rail, I’ll try that next time. I wasn’t aware you could do that.
You are right, they must be new as I haven't seen them before. I just ordered a set. I'll spread the news with my community. amzn.to/3dru44X
I just changed mine out from local gaskets found at autozone. theyre blue
@@JayBe443still better then reusing old blues imo lol
Great video in 2022 I can tell you after your second time taking it apart it gets easier (not sure if that's a good thing) 15min and the manifold is completely off.
Lol. Yup. Same here. Make sure you stick with torque numbers. It’s all plastic.
Brian Scott is a pretty good guy, with a ton of knowledge. Thanks for the video
He’s a great guy. Tons of knowledge and passionate. Got to hang out with him and Aaron for a few days when we were doing the plugs in Michigan. Maybe one day, as the stars align, will we hang out for a while and just cruise down Woodward Ave!
Great video, for others with more miles it would be a great time to change out the oil filter/oil cooler housing with an aftermarket aluminum version as well as plugs if you need them.
Great point!
Once you’re so far down you might as well. For TH-cam however, I like to do one thing at a time because of time constraints and most my videos are searched for on Google and not actually found on TH-cam :/. I guess the way TH-cam works, my content isn’t “shocking” or “with the times”. Yet, somehow I’m still here. Thanks for watching and supporting us! It means a lot.
Mishima to just came out with an aluminum model too.
My 2018 3.6 in the journey is at 91k. I'll be doing the rockers soon enough and this too. I'll try and do a few things at once. Have a good part # for this? One day I did want to either procharge or turbo it. Very few have on these
@@cokeyNbk The best one is the 926-876 Dorman. But if you search you find lots of made in china stuff too. For made in China reuse your sensors rather than theirs and I had one leak after a few years. There are also improved seals, I bought some but haven't needed them yet. Be sure to drain some coolant ahead of time or it can leak into your oil through the open ports also if you unscrew the oil filter lot of oil will drain from the cooler, do this before removing the fasteners that hold the cooler in place. Another tip watch some videos on the injector clips or you might struggle with them and break one to figure them out.
Great video! This explains the power difference between my wife's previous 2017 Jeep GC and the 2020 we have now. It's definitely a noticeable increase, the wife noticed it the first time she drove it👍
I’m glad it’s noticeable. I thought so too but then sometimes we do those upgrades where you think you did something but you really don’t. Now, pop in the Mopar CAI and let me know how it feels ;)
@@Turbo_Snail what I have found over the years is just changing the oil and the car seems to run better. I think it is me. Not the car, me.
😂 yeah. I feel yah.
If you lightly oil the intake O rings before installing them you will prevent them from getting pinched and distorted when you torque down the bolts.
Yeah, I eventually found out the hard way. I use assembly fluid now.
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Thanks for watching and subscribing. We took a little break but we’re starting videos up again early 2022.
Thanks for making this video. I wish I could still work on cars; video's like this make me want to "improve" my own vehicles.
I feel yah. I can’t lay on my back and breath fumes anymore. It was easy years ago. So I pick my battles. It’s never a shame to ask for help. Just have enough beer available and maybe some pizza and likeminded people will always be there.
I guess I'm kinda off topic but do anybody know of a good place to watch new tv shows online?
What??? My stuff is not good enough!!! Lol. I watch TH-cam and the grand tour and old top gear. Hagerty is starting to do real high rosy toon quality stuff. Hard to find good tv shows. I wish I could but produced them but I’m about 12 people short on my crew to do anything halfway entertaining. Until then, repair videos it is.
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@Julio Jesse Thank you, signed up and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :D I appreciate it!
Great video, Daniel! Keep the content coming.
Thanks! Will do! It's been very slow lately but we'll be starting up soon again.
I've followed your build on Facebook. How do you like it?
Turbo Snail I’m loving it and having a blast, feel like a teenage boy again, except a little wiser 😀. I’m thinking about doing the PUG next. 🤔
Yeah, that tune really wakes the car up. The PUG will not be that dramatic. Mainly sound and a little mid range pickup. Mario and I have been working on 50lbs injectors. As soon as we iron it out, I’ll make the video.
@@Turbo_Snail You run E85 correct? Since my car is not an E85 car, I don't think 50lb injectors will work or help.
After I was tuned the car worked perfect but trying to run e85 my injectors ran out of capacity. So we got bigger injectors to be able to run on ethanol. The problem is, no one supports larger injectors so Mario has been doing tons of calculations. The car runs fine however for some reason the car thinks I’m running e85 when I’m not which means we can’t properly tune for it. As soon as we figure out the wrong reading we’ll have a proper running flex fuel car.
Awesome video. Love the knowledge and Installation! Curious if I can do this with my 2014 Dodge Challenger SXT plus (3.6)
Yes you can. Lots of challenger drivers have done this one. If you got lots of miles, get the spark plugs and maybe coils done while you’re in there as well. This will save you another disassembly.
I just did a 2012 Avenger RT. It will fit. It didn't say so, but it fits.
2020 cars already have this manifold stock ?
I believe they do. Especially if you have the start/stop feature. Head over to PentastarV6Performance on Facebook. They are always up to date on which ones have it. I did this last year. A complete list is in the description (from last year)
Need next video on tunes , loved this
Working on it. We’ll get it soon I hope.
Daniel, great video. I just purchased a 2015 Chrysler 200C AWD, same color interior and exterior as yours. It’s gorgeous. Looking forward to many years with this vehicle. Great detailed video of the process. I hope to be tuning my car as well. I’ll be doing a little at a time. Do you have any suggestion for order of progress? Where should I start? The car has 81,000 miles. So far all I’ve had to do is replace a fuel injector and installed new spark plugs. Glad I stumbled upon your video series.
I love the car. Best color. I wish I would have gone AWD but it wasn't available. Keep the seats nice and buttered up with Leather conditioner. I wear jeans and I have yet to have any stains on my seats after 3.5 years. In regards to performance upgrades, I gotta say the tune is the best upgrade. But it is the most expensive one. Here is what I would do, if you start small.
The PUG would be #1, while in there replace the spark plugs and injectors for the 8-hole injectors. You already put some in so I would skip the injectors for now.
I just installed the Strut Bar, and wow, what a difference in the way the car feels. I think I paid $60-70 and well worth the upgrade.
My next upgrade is brakes. I flushed the brakes and it helped but I got new rotors and pads coming. Give me a couple weeks, I'm working on a video there as well.
I hear people love the way the throttle body feels, which is on my list as well.
First, however, if you got crappy tires, get good tires, you'll be able to put the power to the ground. I love my 19" wheels but honestly the 18's are more comfortable and lighter. Also, with the tune, my all-season tires, just spin and spin and spin.
Check out my other videos. Thank you for watching :)
What a PITA to rip all that apart. You should have done the upper intake and TB upgrades, since you had everything apart. You can get a ported/polished TB and heavier airflow upper for the Pentastar 3.6s.
What I haven't been able to find yet is an upgraded injector set and fuel pump.
Yes it is a PITA. and I’ve done it 3 times now. I have a throttle body from BBK performance that will go in there next. Right now we are working on the tune for the 50lb/hr injectors. Trying to get the scaling right as no one really done that size injectors before. But that will be the correct size to run ethanol once again. The stock injectors are good for 93 octane tune but then they are maxed. The fuel pump should be good enough to fuel the vehicle. As soon as we got everything sorted out I’ll be making another video. (I also installed a wideband AFR meter).
Btw, don’t waste your time on a ported throttle body. The upper intake I’m curious about.
@@Turbo_Snail Why wouldn't you do the ported TB? I recall seeing an 80mm ported/polished for this.
Also, the reason I'm looking for a fuel pump upgrade (with zero luck) is to run >100 shot of nitrous. From what I understand, at that rate, you'll get fuel starvation from the pump for the 3.6, and it will run lean. Do you think the stock pump would still work with the upgraded injectors? What part number for your high flow injectors?
@@Turbo_Snail Here's the URL to the ported upper (and their ported lower). If the TH-cam gods will allow me to post the external link, of course...
www.modernmusclextreme.com/p-467-36l-v6-pentastar-ported-upper-and-lower-intake-manifold.aspx#productTab2
Just measured my doorman 615-914 lower intake, it actual has a volume of 150ml. Should be way better than my stock 2011 Chrysler 200 3.6 :-)
That is great! Let me know how it turns out!
I'm doing this on my project caravan.
That is cool. Let us know more about your project!
Hi Daniel. I don't like doing upgrades while my car is under warranty. The car is out of warranty and I bought the upgraded lower intake and silver plugs, Brisk. My car is a 2012 Dodge Avenger RT. I just finished an hour ago. I drove it 40 miles so far. I pulled the ECM fuse. Relearning the fuel/air now. I notice a BIG difference, especially the torque. I run E85 also. I knew how to get to lower off, but really thankful for the torque info 👍👍. Big shout out to Brian also. Exhaust mod and then the HP tuner. Should have done a stock pull at the track. Oh well.
Thank you so much for the video. A HUGE help for me. Take care.
I remember talking to you, awesome thank you. I’m glad you like it. It’s one of my favorite upgrades besides the tune. Best bang for the buck for sure.
That upgrade is undetectable by the dealer. How many miles warranty did you have on the engine? 60k or 100k?
@@Turbo_Snail Bought the car at 50,000.
6 year payment. Up to 150,000 mile warranty. All paid and warranty invalid. Only have 132,000.
Oh man. Well, I’m glad you got it. Thanks so much for following. Oh, check out the new video I dropped today with the strut brace. I love it. Looks good too!
Surprised no one has made bright orange rubber covers for the holes when working on the intake manifold.
Hmmmm! I like that!
I’m about to do this on a Jeep JK. I’m a mechanic. Any tools you recommend? Ok to swap lower PUG and install the upper? Always replace intake gaskets!
If you’re a mechanic, this should be really easy for you. Especially on a Jeep. The 200 is kinda crammed with the fwd setup. Basic tools are good. Yes, new gaskets is a good idea. Mine worked well with the old ones as mine had like 10k miles on them and I had no issues. I didn’t realize they came without it (back then).
Is great video, And the only thing I would have done different was just replaced the gaskets since you're there already. Still, very informative thank you very much
Yes, I didn’t think about it when I ordered the part. But, because my car only had maybe 12k miles on it it worked out just fine. I just past 40k and everything is still good. I’ve heard other people had good luck with old gaskets if there wasn’t too much mileage. I put links for part and gaskets in the description. Thanks for watching :)
Very excellent job full thanks for all steps
Thank you. It’s the cheapest upgrade you can actually feel. Most people report a mid-range torque increase. It definitely sounds better and knocked of some time at the track. Get the Mopar CAI if you can find. I paid $400-ish if I remember and it also wakes up the engine and shaved some time at the track. Look at my CAI video.
Just put mine in… I got a 3.6 Challenger. It pulls harder on low to mid RMS.. I got a few other mods added with this
Very nice. I hope this video helped! Thanks for watching.
@@Turbo_Snail definitely watched this before I bought it. Thanks for posting.
it does works on the 2012 jeep jk first gen Pentastar Engine seems faster and better gas mileage . thanks bro
Excellent. Glad it works for you. I did also notice a bit of a different sound but maybe thats just a placebo. Either way, $100... hard to beat.
@@Turbo_SnailI have a 2013 Jeep Grand Cherokee. I’m going to have to give it a try. Thanks for the info.
@lutcher95 let me know what you think.
@@Turbo_Snail Will do. I bought it today and my Jeep should be ready tomorrow. Thanks again!
@lutcher95 nice!!!
Very nice video, thank you!
Thanks for watching!!!
The lower intake seals always appear deformed even from the factory. I’ve re used plenty of them and never had them leak. Also if those seals come in contact with fuel, they will swell up and become un useable. But they are readily available from any auto parts store or the dealership, I would just replace them anyways.
I agree. I would have replaced them but I didn’t have any available for the video. Since the video I put 40k miles on it and no issues. Next time I take it apart it’ll definitely get new seals.
You dont use silicone gasket when they were damage and you can do porting and polish the cylinder head intake to get better flow
They weren’t damaged. They held up just fine for over 40k miles. The ported heads didn’t get more flow than this upgraded one.
What do you think of after-market aluminum intake??
Not sure. I'd love to get hands on one. I think it's the right direction. These plastic things are "temporary" at best. I understand why manufacturers went from steel to aluminum. I really don't understand plastic parts under the hood other than making cars obsolete sooner. Look at BMW and I heard Audi, they have plastic oil pans. How long will that last. I hope for a good aftermarket for the people who make aluminum parts. I'll support them to make sure they survive.
Great video man. I've got a 2014 durango V6. I'll be looking at doing this when doing the plugs soon. Anything to give a little more power for towing and hauling the family.
Excellent. We're also doing a coil shootout video with PentastarV6Performance.com in a few weeks. Maybe while you are in there that is something else you want to tackle.
@@Turbo_Snail I'm really interested in the coil info. Wanna know if the money is really warranted for the RIPP ones. I looked up that facebook group. Just waiting for approval.
I'm also interested in people's experiences with different tuners for the Diablo. Some guys are way more expensive than others. Probably comes down to customer service.
In regards to the tuners I’d recommend hp tuners over Diabolo. I’m waiting as well as my mods include coils and a throttle body. If the RIPP come out on top I think I’ll take the plunge but it is a lot of money for some coils. Only time will tell. The dyno is booked. We’re Shooting March 27th in Detroit.
On The Penstar v6 performance page any info on the forged connecting rods on there page
Which injector o-ring broke? The ones you linked to that are $3, or one in that kit is $20?
Hey Daniel.....great vid. Do you recommend the CAI and which one. Seems like 10 hp at 5000 rpm aint that great. Probably 5 hp at best at "regular" rpms around town but curious about your take
Check out my CAI video. I had the torque tube from RPM Motorsport. I went to the Mopar CAI.
I don’t believe you can feel the difference of 5-10hp. Once you hit 10% power increase it is noticeable. However, I have noticed a difference in air intake temperature. Especially when idling. Once the temp goes way up and then you step on it the car feels slower. It seems that the car detunes itself when the IAT is to high to protect the engine. Once it cools down you’re back to full power. I have noticed at the 1/4 mile track that when I get there first and I get 2-3 runs in I get a good time, once it gets busy and I have to idle a long time before my run, my times consistently dropped 0.3 seconds. When I started analyzing, the only difference is the IAT. All that being said, the Mopar CAI consistently runs a lower IAT while driving and it dissipates the heat faster from idle to driving. Maybe because it’s plastic vs metal? Maybe a better, free flowing design? Not sure. I still loose time at the drag strip, but that’s not as relevant because when I idle at the traffic light it’s only a minute and then I get back up to speed. Idling in line at the track is 10+ minutes sometimes.
Is this application possible on the 2014 dodge charger 3.6 awd
Yes it is!
Check that oil cooler assembly and “Valley” while you’re in there.
I did. It’s “still” all good.
Where's the track time video?
Working on it. Life got in the way fro the last couple of months, but we're about the start making videos again.
@@Turbo_Snail
Sorry to hear.
Good to hear you are ok and about to be back at it. I just installed the RIPP supercharger kit, NGK Iridium plug, RIPP Coilpacks, PUG Intake, Flushed the ports on the upper intake, 180 thermostat and got the tazer. I go to the Dyno this Wednesday for tuning. I got a 4.9 0-60 time so far. Hoping for 4.5 or better after Dyno tune.
Can this be installed on a jeep 3.6, i realize its the same engine just curious if anyone has done it themselves
Yes. There are several people doing this to the Jeep. Check out Pentastar V6 performance on Facebook. Great group when it comes to these engines. Get the PUG and some type of better intake to get more air into the engine and you’ll be happy.
@@Turbo_Snail will it also work on a 2017 Dodge Challenger Plus
Check the description. All the cars that this works with are listed. Some late model cars already have the upgrade.
I have a 2013 Dodge Caravan. Would this modification work on the 3.6 liter that is in my van? Also I can't find in the description or in your video where you mentioned a part number of the lower intake manifold that you're putting on. I hope you are active on these comments and actually see this. Otherwise great video. I will be subscribing.
Yes, thanks for watching. Head over to Facebook group PentastarV6Performance, there is actually a part list for all vehicles. I think I may have put it also into the description but this list is a few years old and some things may be discontinued. Everybody who installed this absolutely loves it. I think the 2013 Caravan is old enough where it didn't come with it. The change-over happened at different years for the various model lineups.
The info from the FB group states this mod is good for any 3.6 pentastar from 2011-present.
I love it. It ads a growl to it as well. Cold starts seem easier. I really don’t feel the power increase, but it’s there. Probably as good as a cold air intake from Mopar. I would do it all over again. For $100 it’s a must mod.
Turbo Snail figure I’ll do this mod too since I’ll be replacing rocker arms soon.
Might as well. You’re already in there. Its too easy. Get a set of seals/gaskets as well. I reused mine and it still holds up well 12k miles later.
Hey mr Snail, what tune did you get? Looking to get bigger TB and that manifold to do it all one shot.
Nice. I’m doing a throttle body a few videos down the road. Already got it sitting on my desk.
In regards to the tune, Contact Mario at Demigod tuning via email at demigodtuning@gmail.com.
He’s the best, he knows everything about our engines and does an excellent job on all Mopar engines and has a great reputation. He’s not a jack of all, he’s a master of one.
Wish i could have done this when i changed my oil cooler.
It’s not too hard. You’ve done it before. Just a few bolts. For $100 it’s a great bang for the buck!
This would fit the 15+ v6 chargers as well? Why it doesn’t say it would also fit the challengers and chargers on the mopar site? Does mopar also make a better upper intake manifold for the newer models too? Or just the lower intake manifold? Thanks!
Yes it will fit. Not sure why Mopar doesn’t say so. Many people have do it already. There is no upper from Mopar as of now. Check out PentastarV6Performance on Facebook. All about that engine. Lots of knowledge there as well.
Turbo Snail thanks
all good thanks
No problem! Thanks for watching!
@Turbo Snail Great video! In it, you said you were going to take it to the track to see if there was any measurable change; was there?
No there wasn’t. The smidge of a difference was so little that anything, wind, tires, temperature could have caused that. I’m at a point that whatever mod a throw at it, my tires just can’t handle. Even on the track, my 60 foot has not improved even tho I dropped nearly a second on the 1/4 mile which means that my next mod is tires and really the only hope to break into the 13.99 or better time. Because my car is FWD, is spin all of first and second and don’t find grip until 3rd gear.
@@Turbo_Snail Thanks-very surprising. Apparently Mopar went through the trouble for SOME reason-maybe it was combination effect with a fuel injection mod?
Don’t take me wrong, there is something there. It feels a bit better in the mid range. However honestly, you can’t really feel less than 10% power increase. So unless you put it on the dyno, you probably don’t feel it. That being said, I have a bunch of mods. What I really need now is better tires before I continue.
I need the air intake pipe you have. I see the brand on there. But the website doesn't have chysler on it.
The Mopar one has been discontinued for the 200. They still float around. Get a used one from one of the 200 groups on Facebook. I just seen one selling an unpacked one. Best mod in my opinion. The torque tube was good for the price as well.
Cool. You may need a Tune.
Check out my other videos. I have one ;)
How bout on a 17 charger? I have no knowledge about my new car.
Read the description. It has all the models listed. There are tons of things you can do to your car. Congrats!
Will this fit a 2014 dodge avenger v6??
Do you have the 3.5 or the 3.6l V6? This is for the pentastar 3.6l v6. Join the Facebook page “Pentastar V6 Performance”. Lots of people with that engine with lots of knowledge. You’ll find me there as well. It’s a great community.
@@Turbo_Snail I have the 3.6l v6 pentastar
@@dannymartinez495 Yes, it will fit.
@@Turbo_Snail thanks 🙏
So this one should fit on 2014 Jeep jku ? Nice video bye the way ! Damn fuel rails !
lol. Yes it will. Check out my Cherokee we got from hertz.
Curious , so do the newer(2023) V6 Durango already have the higher flowing intake or is the modern muscle ported intake worth adding
If it has start/stop it may be already the updated version. Check out PentastarV6Performance on Facebook for up to date info.
Would power be increased if you were to put larger injectors in at the same time as the lower intake?
Larger injectors need to be programmed to flow the correct amount, otherwise you’re just dumping fuel into your engine. I went with larger injectors because at over 5500rpm my stock injectors were working too hard when I used e85. I know some people still run stock injectors after tuning. My redline is now at 7000rpm and it still makes power there.
I have the 3.6 Pentastar in a Ram 1500, I know for sure the upper intake is a different piece all together but I wonder if this same lower intake could directly swap out?
You gotta check the PentastarV6Performance group on Facebook. If I remember right only the top one matters. There are no advantages in swapping the bottom. I might be wrong but I read something a while back about that.
That being said. Depending on what year yours is, you may be able to take advantage of the upgrade.
How many ml are the ported offering
Not sure about the ported. But they look smaller than the upgraded one. I bet it sits somewhere between the 110ml and the 130ml.
Would it fit on a 2016 AWD Chrysler 300 s ?!
Yes it will.
I'm thinking about this for a 2011 Town & Country. I wonder how compatible the LIM is with the 2011 3.6
Check the description. Well worth upgrade.
Want upgrade intake JK12 plz which one is bigeer fit on JK
Read the description. There is a lot of info there. Also go to PentastarV6Performance on Facebook for an updated list and recommendations.
Can this be used on a 2006 Cadillac CTS 3.6L v6 ?
🤔 interesting question. I always thought the Cadillac and the Chrysler v6 looked so similar. Sometimes car manufacturers buy the same block from the same engine producer but then they throw different internal and intakes and, and, and on. So even if these engines were the same, I doubt you could do it.
That being said, us Pentastar guys used to port the intake to make room for more air and to smooth out the curves. I bet that is something you can look into as well.
Hey, I'm in Clermont. Would love to drive down to check out your setup if you're interested...
yeah, not problem. E-mail me turbo_snail@aol.com
I wonder how this compares to the 3.6 challenger manifold?
Exactly the same setup. Read the description to see if your car already has the upgrade. There is a great community on Facebook “Pentastar V6 Performance” lots of knowledge there.
I wonder what accounts for the difference in horsepower between the challenger and the other pentastars?
The way the intake of the air box is designed. It’s only a couple hp because of the way the engine sits in the bay.
Wonder if this would work on a 2012 Jeep Wrangler. And also what tuner did you use for your car. Fixing to add some bigger tires and I’m gonna need the extra pep.
It should work in your car. Also get a cold air intake and better brakes. Big tires make the cars acceleration and braking really bad. The stock brakes overheat easy. Look at my ebc brakes video. I’ve had them on now for over 7k miles and it regularly melts my face off when I slam on them. Mario at demigod did my tuning as well as many other wranglers. Many happy customers. The tuner I got is from hptuners.
Hi Daniel, thanks for the video guide. Two questions on a 2014 Chrysler 300 3.6 engine- 1. Are the gasket size different on the PUG; & 2. Do I need to make any changes to the upper intake? Thanks in advance.
Same gasket sizes. There are 2 different sides. Each side has its own gasket. If you have lots of miles, get a new set. And there is no need to mod the upper intake. I have however heard that possibly the upper intake from the 2020 challenger may have more volume. That however would be a future video ;)
@@Turbo_Snail - Thank you Daniel. You have a new subscriber.
Awesome thank you! I hope we won’t disappoint.
@@Turbo_Snail Not at all. I like your presentation style. Thank you. ❤️🙏✌️
I would assume this upgrade is only beneficially if running a cai, the stock 200 airbox makes so much turbulence in the intake resonaters this upgrade wouldnt matter unless you get more air in through the intake, or am i mistakened?
People say it makes a difference even if you have no other upgrades. Apparently Chrysler made this PUG (Pentastar upgrade) to allow more airflow specifically for the stop/go system. People say more mid range torque. I don’t think anyone dynoed this however.
Its suppose to give about 15% more torque for a flatter torque curve below 3000 rpm. So if you make 100f lb at 1000 rpm it will boost it to 115f lb with the new 8 hole injectors and lower manifold upgrade. It boosts the lower rpm range according to chrysler.
Possible on the 2018 challenger GT?
Yes. But check the description. You may already have it. I listed all the vehicles.
@@Turbo_Snail Nope it isn't listed there boss
@@ridingwithwulf1989 do you or anyone know for 2017 dodge charger sxt or is bigger ?
I have a 2014 town&country 3.6 and I'm having trouble understanding which is the right one. The one from mmx or this pug? Any information would be helpful. Also the PUG in your link states its not the right one for a 2014.
Mine said its not compatible either. Check out PentastarV6Performance group on Facebook. They have the updated info and knowledge which one to buy and where.
Why your video picture shows aluminum lower intake but in the video you install another plastic bs....
Because when I did the video an aluminum version didn’t exist. There is someone working on making an aluminum version but I’m not sure it’s available yet for purchase. Also, the picture is from Mopar website and it is plastic. 🤓
Hi Daniel, I did. the same PUG upgrade on my 2013 Jeep JKU Wrangler. For the Jeep I think it has more full throttle power but reduces mileage … when I have it idling Incan see the mileage runs down quickly which I never have seen before. Maybe it is because of the air flow speed and changed injector angle without using 8 hole injectors as on the ne Pentastars … what do you think. Any other ideas what could cause that drop?
Not sure. I didn’t run 8-hole injectors either at that time. That being said. Every time a do a mod I find myself driving a bit more aggressive! Also, the manufacturers detained the car for max fuel saving, so anything you do will probably impact mileage. That’s why it’s so easy to gain 30+hp just from a tune.
@@Turbo_Snail : thanks for your reply. Do you think doing a tune online like you will give power and mileage back? Otherwise I will put the old part back to check it again. Have you noticed that the intake channels are only larger because the injector angle changed as well.
If you want to tune for more hp, I’d say go for it. If however you want more gas mileage I think that’s a waste of $1000. I would try the 8 hole injectors. I’d also give the computer some time to adjust. The numbers it shows from the get-go are probably over/under estimated due to the change. More air will allow for more fuel as well so maybe that’s why you’re not getting what you were looking for. If you’re just looking for better gas mileage I would do a good service, filters, injectors, spark plugs, coils, etc. However, seeing that you drive a wrangler probably a good set of street tires geared for the street rather than off road would make a much higher impact. I lost 3mpg just going from 235 to 245 width tires. Also better quality gas will have a big impact. I’m not talking about 93 vs 87 octane, I’m referring to shell vs Walmart.
@@Turbo_Snail Hi Daniel… just a Short Update. I put the old intake back and have not noticed a difference . When I did the new intake I also did oil and spark plugs. I checked the new NGK 9723 plugs and all have the wrong GAP . 0.038 not 0.044 so I put also the old ones back ( came from factory) I think mileage gets better now but will drive a bit more … later if all is good I put the other lower intake back in. Greetings from Germany … Monty
Ah, super. Schöne Grüße vom sonnigen Florida.
What year did Chrysler started upgrading the lower intake just curious because I have a 2018 300 S
Check my description but I think yours is right on the cusp of the change.
When you upgrade the lower intake from a grand caravan to this newer intake from the pacifica do you need the lower seals from the grand caravan lower intake or the seals for the pacifica ?
Had to read the a few times. No, it’s all the same. Charger, challenger, grand Cherokee, Pacifica, grand caravan, Durango, 200. They all have the same engine, the Pentastar 3.6l V6
Hi, where would I use the assembly lube when completing this job? Sorry I am a newbie
Assembly lube is used to slide things in easier. In this particular case you would use it on the rubber gaskets. This way there is no friction and they slide in just perfectly. You could assembly it without assembly lube, however when parts that slide together are dry, the weakest part, ie rubber gasket, may twist, not seal properly or just break.
Little story here. I put in new fuel injectors into a car. Little rubber o-rings are required. They then slide into another part. I didn't have assembly fluid. One of the o-rings twisted and caused a massive fuel leak. 3 hours and a new set of o-rings and assembly fluid and I got it together fine the second time. Keep in mind 5 o-rings went in correct, but that 1 that twisted and essentially cracked caused me an extra afternoon of work.
How much has the Pentastar changed? I have a 2013 Chrysler 200 Limited 3.6L and I'd like to look at replacing the upper and lower manifolds with something newer.
🤔 that’s a good question. I think it would be best if you head over to our sister page on Facebook. PentastarV6Performance there is a lot of Pentastar specific things.
@@Turbo_Snail Will do! Thanks!
Hey Daniel. How can I find out if my 2019 ram 1500 classichas the older model of the lower intake model. I read it has it on the new 2019 ram. But I have the classic.
check the description (which is about as old as the video) or head over to PentastarV6Performance on Facebook. There are updated lists for this item. Well worth it for the money (I think I paid about $100-120 when I did that). That being said, if you have start/stop, you have it already.
How do you keep your engine so clean?
Good question! Every time I wash the car, and yes I still hand wash her, I clean the sills, as well as the engine bay. Nothing detailed, just a quick wipe on the edges and the plastics. I also vacuum the air filter area. But I do appreciate someone noticing.
From 12:50 to 13:07 is this the bracket that’s behind/under the throttle body?
Yes, it's a pain to get to. Trying to get a shot on video was even harder. I imagine if you got a RWD drive car it might be easier. Let me know.
Hi, saw your video time ago and now i came back with a question, hope you can answer me
Have a dodge charger se 2013 pentastar 3.6 but dont know if i can upgrade the manifold without a custom-tune?
Im planning to get later a diablosport predator 2 and use a preinstalled tune while i get some money for a custom tune.
Absolutely, you don’t need a tune for that. Diablo is decent, but if your upgrade path includes a custom tune in the future, I wouldn’t spend the money on it unless you can score a used one somewhere. I’ve seen several go up for sale in favor to a custom tune.
Don't you just love all the plastic parts now days.... it's crazy
If they just would have put a nice, polished aluminum upper intake on, they could have saved money on those big, ugly engine covers.
@@Turbo_Snail what I hate most is the bolts go through the lower plenum that's plastic I don't have a torque wrench like you got but do you think if I just do a quarter turn it be good
If it was metal, I’d say go for it. But with plastic I’ve heard/seen too many people braking that stuff. Go to harbor freight or northern tools and buy one. I think I paid $20 with a lifetime warranty. I ended up getting all 3 sizes and was one of my better investments. I used them all the time now. You do need the inch pound sized (medium size) one.
Okay thanks I think there's one down the road from me
And good luck! When it clicks once, you stop. Don't double click a torque wrench. I learned that from a master roller coaster mechanic :)
That's work on my 2012 jeep wrangler?
Yup, sure does.
@@Turbo_Snail thanks
I purchased one right after I watched this video. I'm having it installed tomorrow on my Challenger. Did you ever get around to posting any time vids though? Could you tell the difference?
No time videos in this one unfortunately. The response feels better. Maybe a bit more pickup. However I’m also in the middle of tuning and I think it definitely helped.
@@Turbo_Snail Yeah, the tune definitely helps. I had mine tuned by Hemifever and I saw the most results with that especially with all the bolt-ons. I feel like the manifold will be the last piece of the puzzle.
@@Fade2BlackSS I still have 50lb injectors coming this week and an 80mm throttle body (if I can get it to work). That would be it for me. I just want to get into the 13's at the track. Otherwise the car runs amazing as is. We found that with the tune we are running on 93 octane at 80-85% on the injectors. You don't want to get above 80%. So injectors are vital, especially that we're tuning for ethanol right now. Injector video should come in a week or two and if the TB happens, that should be the following week.
@@Turbo_Snail lol, funny enough that's been my goal as well with my mods. Back in June, I was able to get a flat 14.0 with a 5.4 0-60 in about 70 degree weather. Now that it's cooling off a bit and the air is a bit crisper, I'm expecting to easily break into the 13s next time I go. I'm hoping that and the new intake make a difference.
I'm currently running a 79MM ported TB, a TB spacer, custom cat-back exhaust, Pedal commander, Momentum GT CAI and the 91 octane tune.
I was running 14.33 at 93F and 100% humidity. Today, Oct 22 2019, is the first day I woke up at 7am and the temp is a nice 73F. I think high 13s should be definitely possible. So excited...
I have all my mods on video on youtube. CAI, DemiGod Tune, Lower Intake Manifold. Just with the RPM Motorsport Torque tube I ran a 14.5ish at 100mph on Ethanol. E85 is by far my favorite "upgrade". Not sure why not more people (who can) drive on it.
Anyone know if this would fit a 2014 grand Cherokee overland 3.6? The provided link says it's fits 2016 and up but as far as I know the 2014 WK2 and 2016 WK2 use the same engine, right?
It should. The description wasn’t updated since the video was made. Head over to PentastarV6Performance on Facebook. There you have the updated info.
will this work on a 2015 town and country?
It should. Check the guys over at PentastarV6Performance on Facebook.
I was looking into this upgrade for my 2015 Ram. I see Chrysler is putting it on 2019 and newer Rams. However??? The Horsepower and torque ratings are exactly the same for my engine and the newer ones. Doesn't seem like it would help.
Hmm, that is interesting. That’s probably a question for the guys over at PentastarV6Performance on Facebook.
@@Turbo_Snail I don't have facebook so I suppose I'll stay with what I got for now. Thanks for the video.
Ok, here is what I found out. The hp is the same because they possibly adjusted the tune to increase gas mileage. If the gas mileage is the same I would say there is no difference. If there is a difference you will still benefit from the upgrade.
Sorry I’m a bit confused. I have a 2012 Durango 3.6 but it does not have start stop feature. Would this upgrade still work for me?
Yes it would work for you. Check the description. Also when you follow the link to the part they always update the models.
@@Turbo_Snail Did you truly notice a difference in the performance after fixing the fuel injector? I am considering this mod but I want to make sure the juice is worth the squeeze.
I feel it in the mid range. This is not a high HP mod. Just opens up the air flow. Don't expect a miracle. For $100 its a great mod. If you want a mod that will make you go WHOAAA... get a tune.
Hey I got a 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee , is the tightening sequence in lbs the same for all other pentastar engines ? Or same for all and also how do you exactly measure lbs when tightening a screw or bolt , help please.
When you look at your intake it’s actually printed on it. But it should be the same. You need an inch pound torque wrench. A foot pound torque wrench will be too strong. If you are in Europe you would do it in newton meters. Google has a calculator to convert from in lbs to nm or foot pound if you need to. But on this one I really recommend a proper torque wrench. Mine is from harbor freight and I paid maybe $20 for it. Well worth it.
@@Turbo_Snail HF has the wrenches for $19.99, but you can easily find a coupon to get them for $11.99 and sometimes $9.99.
Man u should of ported it would of made more power and do your throttle body too gets read of lag mor air flow and more hp
This one is actually bigger than the stock ported one in volume. Bigger TB is coming soon.
What year can I get one of these intakes from ?
Check the description!
careful with high pressure fuel and hydraulic systems, it can pentrate skin or hurt an eye in worst case scenario. new gaskets r like 20 bucks on ebay , my ma's 3.6 developed a intake leak with those oem gaskets n threw a code. cool vid, cheers mate 🤙
Thanks mate. Cheers!
While you had the engine taken apart like that did you consider replacing the fuel injectors for larger ones?
Yes. I did replace my fuel injectors later on. I’m now running 50lbs injectors and we are working on a tune to make these work properly. As soon as we got ethanol working as well I will go back to the track. Unfortunately, no one supports the larger injectors officially. I bought mine from FAST. My tuner Mario, Demigod Tuning, is figuring things out from scratch and making the calculations.
I realize this is an older video but I was wondering if the torque specs shown here would work for a 2017 300 awd?
as far as I know, they are all the same. Check over at PentastarV6Performance on Facebook for updated facts
@Turbo_Snail is see some guys are saying the lower is 106 in lbs and the upper is 89 in lbs which is far away from the torque specs shown in your video
I've sees some people post this in the forums. I've even seen the drawing that states that over at:
dodgeforum.com/forum/dodge-caravan/432981-2014-pentastar-3-6-intake-manifold-torque-specs.html
If in doubt I would go with the lower numbers here. This stuff is plastic and it doesn't take much to crack it.
Check out this pdf file:
www.astmtmc.cmu.edu/ftp/docs/gas/sequenceiii/procedure_and_ils/IIIH/Chrysler%20IIIH%20Engine%20Assembly%20Manual%20June%202018%20Revision%201.pdf
@Turbo_Snail I did the mmx ported upper and lower intakes and mmx 80mm ported throttle body with a specter CIA with NGK s and Ripp coils not to sure about the coils yet but time will tell torque specs worked out
Which ones? Mine or the higher ones?
Will this work on my 2012 Journey??
It may. There is a cross reference chart on a Facebook group called “Pentastar V6 Performance”. Very knowledgeable group. They have a list of all the vehicles this will work on. I will try to put it in the description as well when I find it.
I updated the description
Does a 2017 Dodge Charger SXT Rallye (3.6 Pentastar) come with this ?
Check the description. Off the top of my head, No!
Ik it's the same engine but as the years go on engines that are widely used often undergo different variations so I was wondering will this upgraded intake manifold fit on my 2014 dodge avenger with the 3.6
Also any other mods to increase performance I've been looking but doesn't seem like theres much of an aftermarket for these engines
There’s stuff coming for these engines as they are pretty much in every model lineup for Chrysler. I need to push a few more videos out. I got fuel injectors with a tune, cooler thermostat is coming and bigger throttle body by bbk. I think that’s where I’m done with her. Sprinted is apparently developing a supercharger for us FWD folks.
@@Turbo_Snail I like that idea just wish the aftermarket was bigger for these engines that's all
Should really have replaced the defective seals. It will haunt u.
I’ve taken it apart several times since that video. No problems. They were not worn out.
Does my 2018 3.6 Challenger already come with one?
Please check the description. I copied it all in there. If it’s a newer model, chances are it already came with it but it was rolled out to different models in different years.
On the rubber seals , penny wise dollar?
Didn't have a new set handy. Still seals perfectly at 49k miles.
Does this come factory for the 2018 v6 chrysler 300??
Check the description. Of the top of my head you should benefit with an upgrade.
So lower intake is off the new model?, just port it yourself even more. But you have to port the upper one too cuz it syill has another restriction point for airflow..
Actually the ported ones doesn't provide as much flow as the factory upgraded one. A few people tried to port the upper but without much advantage. For $100 its a worthwhile upgrade.
@@Turbo_Snailthey dyno them? The upper maybe not since their not fully ported, but the bottom ported intale has more volume
Actually, as far as I know, and maybe there has been more development that I’m not aware about, but the pug had more volume than the “original” ported one.
@@Turbo_Snail porting the mew model lower intake should give more volume, if new updated one already has more volume then the older version.
Are you going with a TB later?
Yes you are correct. However people who port them say that the sidewalls are too thin for that and it’s not worth it.
Yes. I have a bbk throttle body on the shelf for months now and I just haven’t gotten around to it. It is planned within the next 4 weeks. I’m working on my injector video that I started almost a year ago.
How was the performance after the manifold upgrade.
It’s not like a kick in the seat type upgrade. For that you need to gain at least 10% increase in power. However, I feel like it made a difference especially in the mid range which is great. Cheapest mod you’ll put on your car at $100.
Any good 👍 or you just passing in the wind.
It’s good. It’s been a crowd favorite. Cheapest HP I’ve gained. Read the reviews and visit PentastarV6Performance on Facebook.
When did they release the new lower intake manifold?
Some cars came with it starting 2018. The 200 never got it.
@@Turbo_Snail well..lol definitely buying it. I have the 2016 dodge journey r/t. The last before rebadged to gt
@@JaysonMontarde21 Yeah, my wife has there SXT, but they rebadged it to Crossroad and the SXT is the stripped down one. Not sure what the thought process was when they did that. I would have debadged it, but my wife likes the writing...
@@Turbo_Snail V8 owners were complaining for a long time that V6 vehicles were getting the R/T badge, which historically was designated only to the V8s. I guess management finally gave in.
Could be just the same result, if you install a bigger throttle body? 🤔
Would this be the same process for a 2017 dodge journey 3.6L?
Yes, exactly the same.
@@Turbo_Snail thank you!!! I've been looking for hours to find this!
Check out PentastarV6Performance on Facebook. A bunch of great people there with much more knowledge that I have.
Will this fit a 2013 dodge charger 3.6 ?
It should, check the description, it should have all the info you need!
Will this upgrade work on a 3.6l jeep wrangler ? are the intakes the same for all 1st gen 3.6l and all the same for 2nd gen 3.6l?
REad the Description. I tried to put all the model changes in it. Depends on your model year.
@@Turbo_Snail its a 2012 jeep wrangler but will read the description
If it’s the 2012 it should work. I don’t think they upgraded it till 2016-2017.
IF you have a 3.6 engine it should work
So how much hp and tq would this even ad?
I don’t think anyone ever dynoed this. But everybody says now that it adds some midrange torque. If I would have to give it a guess, maybe 3-5hp. For $100 it’s a worthwhile mod. The Mopar CAI was dynoed at 10hp for $450.
So what is the factory part number
It’s in the description. 5281803AA