no, they would have done this anyway whether they took away other OS or not. Pirates have been cracking systems and software since the dawn of software and will continue to do so.
We have such wild technology compared to what past generatons had before.. Why would any human company want to restrict any uses or advantages of anyones tech?
@@thisguydud3 Regardless of how much MVG says people want to mod consoles to run homebrew and emulators, the ONLY reason 99 percent of people mod them is piracy.
@@thisguydud3 Control. The crucial element in the console market has been artificial limitation and planned obsolescence. After a long two decades, we're finally approaching the endgame: complete loss of consumer control. With the next generation likely being 100% diskless (and with Stadia leading the way) the conversion will be total. They tried this before, but found they were turning the heat up too quickly and the victims noticed. They're ready to try again, and I suspect the water's warm enough this time that an unfortunate majority is ready to boil, and beg for the privilege.
Well... kind of? The first people who cracked the code and made a commercial product built in an automatic bricking feature (of the console, not the card) if it detected that it was modified and used on a cheaper clone card. Except it also bricked legitimate copies of the card.
Some were leaving Sony because they were bandwagoners, and since other people who knew what other is was for panic and left, they felt they had to as well even though the majority of normal users didn't know what Linux is.
Sony deserved it. For some people the only reason to choose a PS3 over other consoles was the fact that it could run Linux. Screwing over your customers shouldn't be left unanswered.
@@dafuyoma And let us not forget: Screwing over the tax agencies. Sony claimed that the PS3 was a computer, not a gaming console, exploiting lower taxes/duties.
1. That awesome intro music 2. The word "Jig" being used many times 3. The word "payload" being used many times = one damn fine video. 4. USB flash drive*
That's a weird mix of words right there, bucko... Pretty sure I've seen a mighty fine video on the internet somewhere that talked about a Jig and some load, not sure what it was about, but it got nasty.
OtherOS was removed because of the exploit we found. Once gone we still had other minimal exploits which allowed us to bypass Starbuck security checks. Thus allowing us to essentially run code to open other parts, and eventually creating home brew. Dave was awesome with his multiman home brew and helping us to achieve these goals. Once this was done it was time to finally get back to bringing OtherOS into cfws, which took about 6 months from start to finish. Because of the update Sony released to remove (it never was actually removed but just left there) the feature, we had to think of another way to create a bootable HD image which the system itself could use as a virtual drive for OtherOS. Sony’s official response to the community was that it’s just not possible to keep OtherOS because of security problems. This is not true, they didn’t feel like rewriting everything is all. OtherOS was still in the newer official firmwares but it was broken and not fixable because it completely closed the boot flags needed. This was the reason they dropped it, the exploit between ofw and booting OtherOS was patched. Sony was lazy and didn’t feel like doing the work and decided to patch the part which OtherOS needed. This was the only reason it took 6 months for us to bring it back under a cfw, we needed a newer found exploit to be finished before even trying to create a boot strap for OtherOS. I was personally responsible working with 2 other people to create the new way of reading OtherOS file systems. And let me tell ya, it wasn’t easy. I remember the moment we successfully booted into ppc Linux distro yellow dog. We couldn’t wait to tell everyone. We released the image I believe on 3 major dev sites and we didn’t get one single comment or thank you for about two weeks, in fact people were more like, ok so why did you feel the need to bring OtherOS back? Big deal. But to us developers, having to create new code, cfw, and hd images to boot an original feature that was still locked away in the back of new updates was a huge accomplishment for us. Don’t even get me started on how we prevented breakage due to updates, that took another two months to accomplish
SonicNights I do believe it will he hacked one day, but I think it will be after the next gen comes out. Just imagine how much of a beast it would be, running emulators (possibly gamecube, n64 etc at possible full speed) and many others. I know you can already get retroarch on the xbox one but that’s not through hacking.
@@jeffo1017 it won't be. the games and system protection requires online data to run and that can't be hacked. basically a small part of the game isn't on your xbox at all, it runs on the server. the future versions of consoleswon't be hackable either and after that it'll be cloud gaming only.
@SonicNights I know a guy who has a small business where he rents consoles by the hour, I know he does some kind of spoofing on the xbox one to use the games in more than one console but don't know the details
I didn't pay attention to the release of this, but I do remember seeing quite a bit about flashing your own USB device to do the same thing! Awesome breakdown of how this all worked.
Yeah after it was reverse engineered the files were dumped online and you could buy the blank programmable usb device for a fifth of the price of the jb tool
It should be illegal to remotely remove an _advertised feature_ from a consumer product after it has been purchased without the owner's consent. Using a "technically optional" firmware update, without which the device becomes unusable for its _other_ advertised features, should not be a viable loophole to this law.
The issue is that you don't own the system's software, which is what enables you to do so. On top of that, you agree to an EULA that says that they might take out features when they feel like it. I'm surprised the lawsuit got resolved in favor of the customers in the first place.
@@Almamu Nobody reads EULAs and they don't supersede consumer protection laws. Just because the company puts in whatever bullshit they want it doesn't necessarily mean they can enforce it.
@@Almamu The EULA doesn't matter in the slightest, they're basically legal garbage when it comes to instances like this. Contract law is one of the weakest forms of law in that contracts and clauses within them are routinely thrown out. In this instance, because the advertisements and the promised features were in advertising before you were presented with the EULA, literally nothing in the EULA matters or could be used to defend Sony in court without getting thrown out. I'm surprised that people hung on and fought the legal battle this long, but that they were going to eventually win was nearly a certainty.
@@Almamu If we don't own the system software we atleast bought the hardware, so we should be allowed to install our own software if we wished (other os). And as the other person said, they advertise all those features and present the EULA only after we've purchased the product so it's pretty stupid to remove features.
Firmware 3.55 T_T my nightmare. Loaded up the jailbreak app on my TI-84+ (still on there today) at school. Came home from school, stoked to jailbreak, and my PS3 had managed to auto-update while I was gone. I was gutted. No way to soft-mod it again for 7 more years.
Who's still mad about Sony's removal of 'Other OS' functionality? I used the PS3 for a couple/few years as my only 'PC' and I'll never forget how fast the thing rendered when editing video, despite not having full access to all the hardware. IIRC it was much faster than the mac mini I was using for work and about as quick as my father's mac pro. Cell broadband engine was a beast for its time!
I know this isn't really comparable, but I remember reading about people using arrays of PS3s for supercomputing. IIRC, they chose to use the console because of its GPU architecture which was very useful in certain computations. Doesn't surprise me that the PS3 was great for video editing.
Despite not owning a PS3 at the time, I refuse to buy anything with the Sony name on it because if that debacle. Be it new or used, PlayStation to power adapter, it has no place in my equipment.
@Nigel Cam Well actually there are already fairly severe penalties for this kind of stuff. I understand companies and artists need to make money from their products, I am a staunch supporter of copyright and certain forms of copyright protection. The issue is that these actions greatly hindered the abilities of the end user enjoy the content that they spent their hard earned cash on, and this had already been ruled illegal by US courts. As far as copy protection goes companies should never covertly install software on to their consumers systems without the explicit permission of the customer, even more so software that hinders the customers ability to enjoy the content that they spent their money on, and cripples the abilities of certain pieces of hardware that the end user has purchased, at this point the software has gone beyond the boundaries of what can be considered DRM and into the territory of malware.
@Nigel Cam Such is the nature of checks and balances that the US has, that doesn't mean that every law can be kicked to the roadside, it's just that in this scenario Sony's action were just downright criminal.
And now, even the super-slim can be modded. I love these guys. To me they’ve helped kept these older gens alive. My wii just sat collecting dust for years since 2011 until I learned about soft modding last year.
I had no idea at the time what I was doing, but back in college I was able to pull off this exploit following a guide showing how to do it on a TI 84 calculator. Everyone in the dorm thought I was some kind of technical genius LOL
One step back from there was the custom Ti modding I did in middle school. Kids were buying used 83 plus and 83 silver so I could load games and PDA applications.
I was able to do it from an iPhone 3G since I didnt have a TI84. I almost went out to buy a used calculator just for this. You had to turn off the phone and boot into a another mode that was just scrolling lines of text constantly, plug it into the PS3, turn it on and constantly mash that eject button. I think that was it, unless it was a button combo of eject and power.
Those were the days! No way I could afford $120 USD back then, but I managed to get a clone once they arrived in New Zealand. I don't think we had Aliexpress back then, but there were more modchip-selling shops back then.
@@spritzerland658 karl has a handful of videos going through gameshops where he talks about his interest in retro games, he also peruses retro gaming shops and has a look if they do anything like modchips for old consoles. one of the vids you can see the people in the store selling the usb keys for the ps3.
@@J0derVIVIVI He is correct in saying that if GeoHotz had never started hacking the PS3, then OtherOs would have likely never been removed as a feature and all PS3 systems out there would now happily run linux "out of the box".
After the PS Jailbreak was cracked the method I used was an iPhone 2G with a modified Android booter that loaded the payload. Until we got the permanent CFW of course. #goodtimes
@LEGOF exactly, they had just reverse engineered the PS3. I doubt they had high expectations that their USB drives were going to go uncracked for very long.
Even if it was free, someone would reverse engineer and distribute it. Also, although I didn't buy it at the time, 120-150$ for the complete PS3 library at the time wasn't that bad.
As a longtime console gamer who has never even attempted to hack a system, I find these videos very entertaining and informative. Keep up the good work!
I remember when the PS3's private key was found and tweeted at Sony's spokesman at the time who RE-TWEETED IT! OMG it was hilarious! Needless to say the guy lost his job. ROFL! XD
@@deen.3410 He re-tweeted it saying something like "You have sunk my battleship" and included the key or something because he didnt understand it was a key they tweeted at him.
Hacking potential aside, I was actually looking forward to buying a PS3 for that feature. Alas, when they announced it was going away, I lost interest.
@@AbG-pk4ti I know, had Sony kept OtherOS , the only primary motivation anyone would have to hack the PS3 would have been piracy, and only a few hackers would bother with hacking for that motivation alone. No, most hackers just want to run homebrew on their systems and as the PS3 already had a version of Linux there was little reason for that, at the start.
I was pretty mad when OtherOS got removed (so much so that I took part in the class action suit as I commented on your last PS3 vid). At that time, the PS3 was my main TV emulation box. This was before the Twilight Hack opened my Wii up but even after that point, the raw processing power of the PS3 meant that snes9x and VirtualBoyAdvance ran significantly better on the PS3 under Linux in a hypervisor than they did unoptimized natively on the Wii.
can we talk about how genius this trick is? the guy who figured this out, man respect to him/her for coming up with that fake 6 usb hub, that was really cool and interesting to see you breakdown and explain.
@@djdrew11 yes ok but the ting is the pandora battery was just a modified battery, you could actually modify the battery yourself. I did it once back in day
@@djdrew11 also a case of Sony being suprinsgly cool with it as they later revealed that this mod would not damage your console (because it was the same method Sony used to service bricked systems.)
I remember this vividly. This is when I got into following the scenes and the different developers. Literally 3 weeks after setting up Linux on my PS3 and having Sony take it away. I've been anti Sony ever since
My roommate got one for his system, what i remember is that it was a temporary software mod that would disappear after every power down and need to be re-applied, similar to the Switch paperclip hack. Also, sony made new firmware with new games that would mess with the hack, so you could never play new games without either looking for a custom firmware, or maybe you had to mod the game image to rip out the update i cant remember exactly.
Sony did that with the PSP too. Back in the day I used a trainer for GTA Liberty City Stories and when Vice City Stories was released, it "required" a bundled firmware update to run. All that update did was patch the hole that allowed the trainer to LCS (and many other things like emulators) to execute on the PSP. I loved Sony until the mid to late 2000s when they began doing crap like this and move their manufacturing to China, and yet still charged a pretty penny for their stuff. I'm actually glad they're a now a shell of their former self and will probably disappear in a few years if Microsoft keeps buying gaming studios out. 😆
God I still remember booting into CFW by hooking up my fucking iPod Nano and booting that up just in the right moment, haha. To this day it still has that CFW load on it. This brings back memories.
I remeber getting one of these . Aaah good times ☺️ i remember the selection of playable games when the PSJB came out was very limited, but grew in time
If someone can create it, someone can destroy it - especially if you start removing features in a panic! Love seeing how all these barriers were defeated, genuinely fascinating and clever stuff.
I love these in-depth exploit retrospectives that you do. I find the whole process of console exploitation so fascinating, all the reverse engineering and loopholes, and just the game of cat and mouse between the devs/crackers and the manufacturers. I still remember when I first learned that my phat PSP could be hacked, and then watching as the scene around it exploded. And then all these years later I got to repeat that experience with the PS Vita. Hopefully we'll see something happen in the PS4 scene now that it's reaching EOL.
This is a stark reminder to companies that hackers will always take on a challenge. With custom firmware Nintendon't, consumers with hacked Wii U's can play Gamecube discs in their Wii U consoles. If Sony decides to block backwards compatibility for the PS5, I look forward to Sony repeating history and ending up so panicked about device security that they overdo it again in a way that brings out the wrath of their fans. Love your work, MVG! Keep fighting the good fight!
The biggest problem is that like that's almost what it is. And like I mean that as the biggest problem for companies. If hacking was purely done to pirate games and stuff you might be able to discourage hackers but a lot of people do just do it for fun because it's kinda like a puzzle.
@@hedgehog3180 speaking about hackable... Well some old *Unhackable* console really did it's job like PS3, but by saying the word "Unhackable on you console is just equal to challenge every hacker to breach their console
To be fair, the people who found the exploit had nothing to do with the revenge narrative over OtherOS but rather had found a way to run homebrew and charged for it. Most likely someone who worked in service and maintenance. They did not release on the wild and had never the intention to disclose it. Someone had to buy the implementation and reverse engineer it and who knows who long would an alternative such as running an exploit through a game save would had take.
Sony , creates USB access Anonymous co , we reversed engineered the system and created a USB port to hack the system. But it cost a lot Random dude : we reversed engendered the stick and it is now open sourced.. So far this is the best "you played yourself" meme in history
Can't wait to see the video on how fail0verflow dumped the private key. If I remember right, on account of Sony's own PSP emulator built into the system software, it wound up opening the door to sign PSP code too. PS3 got hacked so hard that it made the PSP even more trivial to hack than it already was.
@@PhilXavierSierraJones Shitendo is hands down the worst company every, especially nowadays. If you think youve seen it all, Shitendo is just about to drop something new, even more nonsensical and anti-consumer bs the world hasnt seen before.
Tbh I'm a Sony guy but Microsoft always does an amazing job at stopping exploits and jailbreaks. The Xbox 360 can't be jailbroken without using a mod chip. And the Xbox One doesn't even really have a jailbreak at all.
@@mister_9208 Yes. I think PS is better as a whole but i was thinking of getting a Xbox series S but the 500GB storage and no disc drive was a deal breaker, i'll upgrade my PC then i'll go for the PS5.
Man, I remember this. I had a jailbroken iPod touch and you could use that to put your PS3 to Factory/Service mode. You could even use a Texas Instruments 84 calculator as a Jig device.
The first jailbreak I used on PS3 was the unofficial firmware update signed using the leaked private keys that GeoHot obtained using information from team fail0verflow. No special jig needed. Eventually I had converted the console to debug using rebug cfw in order to emulate bd. Man those times were crazy.
Your order of events isn't quite correct. August 20th: The PSJailbreak is announced. Samples are sent out to a few reporters and modchip vendors as proof. August 25th: First "Chinese clone" is announced. Doesn't ship until mid September. September 1st: Open source PSGroove exploit is released to the public. As far as I'm aware at the time PSGroove was released, most modchip stores haven't even received shipment of the original PSJailbreak or the clones. Nobody had them. I haven't seen much evidence of anyone receiving them until mid or late September. While PSGroove is technically a clone (based on a single USB trace of one of the sample units), it bet everything else to market. Most of the clones are based on PSGroove source code.
I really enjoy your videos. It's not the usual rehashing of video game information that I am used to other content creators using. Refreshing and very educational and unique in this modern day of TH-cam.
Honestly, I thought the Wii was my favorite home brew/ jailbroken console, but this makes me wanna buy a ps3 and do this, it looks like a ton of fun, and honestly I miss some of the games I used to own, so it’s an easy way to revisit them without having to purchase them a second or third time.
If you like the USB aspect, check out the GreatFET ONE or FaceDancer. You can enumerate this device and vendor (and more) data in Python, you can also MiTM devices.
Fun fact: Geohot found a vulnerability, back in a day, in Android Kitkat and exploited it. This made rooting as easy installing towelroot and pressing the button "Make It rain". As simple as that NO complicated step required.
They paid, yes. And then people still flocked to buy their products, making it possible for them to make new mistakes and afford to pay for those as well. The slow but inevitable creep continues.
Not many people were looking for the exploits on ps3 (not really actually trying much) , but once removed Other OS that upset a lot of people and put a lot more work on it If they had left other OS in it may of been broken eventually but most likely been some more years I guess (unless they did manage to brake in via Other OS as what Sony was paranoid about which really work great for them removing it in fines and accelerating the exploit finding)
@@Balmori78 for some time. I read an article sometime ago that claimed that a cluster of ps3 was cheaper and more powerful than a supercomputer of the day, even scientists were interested, but then Sony shut everything off and the test run was closed.
It was a University in America that built the first cluster, nowhere near the scale of the military one though. I think, but I don't know for sure, that a portion of it is still running. Sony didn't directly kill it off as the machines were not updated, but units died over time and replacements were no longer available. Plus, time moves on and technology improves. The PS3 clusters were eventually obsolete.
Let's be clear on some facts of that story. It was the United States Navy Super Computer Cluster. It was chosen to use PS3s because of its ability to run Linux and it's CPU which is capable of supercomputing. The Computer has since been decommissioned by the U.S Government for being obsolete. I have one of the Phat PS3s used in the system with its original sticker that says us navy and it's serial number etc.
This is why i still use my ps3. Hacked Consoles are the best consoles. Thanks to all developers that enables these consoles to be hacked too. They give us true ownership of these consoles and i life game cheats the most. Wish Sony would bring out an official game hacking mechanism to keep gaming exciting. What's the point of owning a game you can never complete?
@@unitedfools3493 I am running a video encoder client on there that I'm working on. And it's just fun to make it do what it can but wasn't intended to do😉
The ps3 being thought of as unhackable probably hurt sales, especially in poorer countries where pirated games were a bigger deal, and online multiplayer was less important, if not difficult or impossible do to internet inavailability, downtime, or expense.
Sometimes I understand most of it, and sometimes I get that confused I have to come back a week or two later after researching terms, and then he hits me with another one on the same video haha. It’s taken me a month to understand a video more than once.
Sony traded a potential flaw for a very real one
considering theyre still paying off those settlement cheques, they probably hurt quite a bit more post-jailbreak lol
I watched a video a long time ago. Where the creator said "XBOX 360 was jailbreaked quickly because it didn't let people install Linux"
ps2, at least until 9000x series still has unpatched exploit, the memory card update
@@bitelaserkhalif There is a new savegame exploit that works on every ps2 now. It's called the "Fortuna Project".
@@TheRealSamPreece jst got a second check about 2 months ago
1st was for like $10
second was for like $3
moral of the story: do NOT take away features from people who bought your console, or they'll bring it back themself, by any means
pissing off your customers is generally not a good thing to do.
no, they would have done this anyway whether they took away other OS or not.
Pirates have been cracking systems and software since the dawn of software and will continue to do so.
We have such wild technology compared to what past generatons had before.. Why would any human company want to restrict any uses or advantages of anyones tech?
@@thisguydud3 Regardless of how much MVG says people want to mod consoles to run homebrew and emulators, the ONLY reason 99 percent of people mod them is piracy.
@@thisguydud3 Control. The crucial element in the console market has been artificial limitation and planned obsolescence.
After a long two decades, we're finally approaching the endgame: complete loss of consumer control. With the next generation likely being 100% diskless (and with Stadia leading the way) the conversion will be total. They tried this before, but found they were turning the heat up too quickly and the victims noticed. They're ready to try again, and I suspect the water's warm enough this time that an unfortunate majority is ready to boil, and beg for the privilege.
Reverse engineering a hacking device just to make your own cheaper hacked version to hack an allegedly unbackable console is just so meta.
The same happened with those Gameboy flash cards. And that ended with a lot of bricked consoles - by intent.
@@amshermansen damn, that's the risk tho
Well... kind of?
The first people who cracked the code and made a commercial product built in an automatic bricking feature (of the console, not the card) if it detected that it was modified and used on a cheaper clone card.
Except it also bricked legitimate copies of the card.
@@amshermansen i understand
@@amshermansen wasn't that the 3ds gateway? If not I wanna learn about this lol
That's gotta sting. Loses millions by panic removing a complicated poweruser feature like OtherOS, but gets thrwarted by a USB stick.
Some were leaving Sony because they were bandwagoners, and since other people who knew what other is was for panic and left, they felt they had to as well even though the majority of normal users didn't know what Linux is.
Sony deserved it. For some people the only reason to choose a PS3 over other consoles was the fact that it could run Linux.
Screwing over your customers shouldn't be left unanswered.
@@dafuyoma And let us not forget: Screwing over the tax agencies. Sony claimed that the PS3 was a computer, not a gaming console, exploiting lower taxes/duties.
Loses - be deprived of or cease to have or retain
Looses - set free; release
@@zeikjt I hope your happy fam.
Hackers: We want to hack the PS3, but it’s hard and there is almost no point because of Other OS.
Sony: Removes Other OS
Hackers: *COWABUNGA IT IS!*
I didn't know Michaelangelo was a hacker
Gary Oak well maybe he learned something by accident from Donatello
@@ACG-Koopah333 😂 Fair point
I find this comment funny as heck lol!
@@commanderjavik6369 I like your Funny words Magic Man.
1. That awesome intro music
2. The word "Jig" being used many times
3. The word "payload" being used many times
= one damn fine video.
4. USB flash drive*
Elliot Bridgewater
haha you said payload
So you're into Irish pron then, huh?
That's a weird mix of words right there, bucko... Pretty sure I've seen a mighty fine video on the internet somewhere that talked about a Jig and some load, not sure what it was about, but it got nasty.
OtherOS was removed because of the exploit we found. Once gone we still had other minimal exploits which allowed us to bypass Starbuck security checks. Thus allowing us to essentially run code to open other parts, and eventually creating home brew. Dave was awesome with his multiman home brew and helping us to achieve these goals. Once this was done it was time to finally get back to bringing OtherOS into cfws, which took about 6 months from start to finish. Because of the update Sony released to remove (it never was actually removed but just left there) the feature, we had to think of another way to create a bootable HD image which the system itself could use as a virtual drive for OtherOS. Sony’s official response to the community was that it’s just not possible to keep OtherOS because of security problems. This is not true, they didn’t feel like rewriting everything is all. OtherOS was still in the newer official firmwares but it was broken and not fixable because it completely closed the boot flags needed. This was the reason they dropped it, the exploit between ofw and booting OtherOS was patched. Sony was lazy and didn’t feel like doing the work and decided to patch the part which OtherOS needed. This was the only reason it took 6 months for us to bring it back under a cfw, we needed a newer found exploit to be finished before even trying to create a boot strap for OtherOS. I was personally responsible working with 2 other people to create the new way of reading OtherOS file systems. And let me tell ya, it wasn’t easy. I remember the moment we successfully booted into ppc Linux distro yellow dog. We couldn’t wait to tell everyone. We released the image I believe on 3 major dev sites and we didn’t get one single comment or thank you for about two weeks, in fact people were more like, ok so why did you feel the need to bring OtherOS back? Big deal. But to us developers, having to create new code, cfw, and hd images to boot an original feature that was still locked away in the back of new updates was a huge accomplishment for us. Don’t even get me started on how we prevented breakage due to updates, that took another two months to accomplish
Man, that must have taken a lot of work and dedication.
other os
Wow. Thank you for your service!
All the respect. Thank you for making my childhood great. This is the first time I meet someone who did it personally ❤️
respect!
In a nutshell: Never call your console unhackable.
Pretty sure Atari Pong was unhackable...
Can hackers make a console from a brick just trying to figure it out how it should work?
SonicNights I do believe it will he hacked one day, but I think it will be after the next gen comes out. Just imagine how much of a beast it would be, running emulators (possibly gamecube, n64 etc at possible full speed) and many others. I know you can already get retroarch on the xbox one but that’s not through hacking.
@@jeffo1017 it won't be. the games and system protection requires online data to run and that can't be hacked. basically a small part of the game isn't on your xbox at all, it runs on the server. the future versions of consoleswon't be hackable either and after that it'll be cloud gaming only.
@SonicNights I know a guy who has a small business where he rents consoles by the hour, I know he does some kind of spoofing on the xbox one to use the games in more than one console but don't know the details
I didn't pay attention to the release of this, but I do remember seeing quite a bit about flashing your own USB device to do the same thing! Awesome breakdown of how this all worked.
Yeah after it was reverse engineered the files were dumped online and you could buy the blank programmable usb device for a fifth of the price of the jb tool
@@nuthinnew yes true that. A friend did mine back in the day.
Real mrmario2011???
@@forsaken_heart24 he comments on MVG's videos quite alot. He's in the scene pretty deep.
It should be illegal to remotely remove an _advertised feature_ from a consumer product after it has been purchased without the owner's consent.
Using a "technically optional" firmware update, without which the device becomes unusable for its _other_ advertised features, should not be a viable loophole to this law.
Joseph Davies That’s why they got sued
The issue is that you don't own the system's software, which is what enables you to do so. On top of that, you agree to an EULA that says that they might take out features when they feel like it. I'm surprised the lawsuit got resolved in favor of the customers in the first place.
@@Almamu Nobody reads EULAs and they don't supersede consumer protection laws. Just because the company puts in whatever bullshit they want it doesn't necessarily mean they can enforce it.
@@Almamu The EULA doesn't matter in the slightest, they're basically legal garbage when it comes to instances like this. Contract law is one of the weakest forms of law in that contracts and clauses within them are routinely thrown out. In this instance, because the advertisements and the promised features were in advertising before you were presented with the EULA, literally nothing in the EULA matters or could be used to defend Sony in court without getting thrown out.
I'm surprised that people hung on and fought the legal battle this long, but that they were going to eventually win was nearly a certainty.
@@Almamu If we don't own the system software we atleast bought the hardware, so we should be allowed to install our own software if we wished (other os). And as the other person said, they advertise all those features and present the EULA only after we've purchased the product so it's pretty stupid to remove features.
Firmware 3.55 T_T my nightmare.
Loaded up the jailbreak app on my TI-84+ (still on there today) at school. Came home from school, stoked to jailbreak, and my PS3 had managed to auto-update while I was gone. I was gutted. No way to soft-mod it again for 7 more years.
eehh 3.55 was jailbreakable.
HA HA HA thats what you get for having auto update
LOL!!!!! trolled
Turn off your crap when gone
Who you entertaining?? The ghosts??
@@gohom3882 wut
“Removing Other OS” “April 1st”
Yup, I can definitely see why ppl were mad.
Who's still mad about Sony's removal of 'Other OS' functionality? I used the PS3 for a couple/few years as my only 'PC' and I'll never forget how fast the thing rendered when editing video, despite not having full access to all the hardware. IIRC it was much faster than the mac mini I was using for work and about as quick as my father's mac pro. Cell broadband engine was a beast for its time!
I know this isn't really comparable, but I remember reading about people using arrays of PS3s for supercomputing. IIRC, they chose to use the console because of its GPU architecture which was very useful in certain computations. Doesn't surprise me that the PS3 was great for video editing.
too bad that architechture was a bitch to develop on.
Despite not owning a PS3 at the time, I refuse to buy anything with the Sony name on it because if that debacle. Be it new or used, PlayStation to power adapter, it has no place in my equipment.
#Metoo
@@thatguy3718 We were touched by the removal of Other OS. :v
Mistakes definitely made.
Here is another mistake Sony made en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
Undo UNDO!
@@forevercomputing DAMMIT! PRESS CTRL-Z HARDER!
@Nigel Cam Well actually there are already fairly severe penalties for this kind of stuff.
I understand companies and artists need to make money from their products, I am a staunch supporter of copyright and certain forms of copyright protection.
The issue is that these actions greatly hindered the abilities of the end user enjoy the content that they spent their hard earned cash on, and this had already been ruled illegal by US courts. As far as copy protection goes companies should never covertly install software on to their consumers systems without the explicit permission of the customer, even more so software that hinders the customers ability to enjoy the content that they spent their money on, and cripples the abilities of certain pieces of hardware that the end user has purchased, at this point the software has gone beyond the boundaries of what can be considered DRM and into the territory of malware.
@Nigel Cam Such is the nature of checks and balances that the US has, that doesn't mean that every law can be kicked to the roadside, it's just that in this scenario Sony's action were just downright criminal.
And now, even the super-slim can be modded.
I love these guys. To me they’ve helped kept these older gens alive. My wii just sat collecting dust for years since 2011 until I learned about soft modding last year.
Sony will be forever known as the company that removed a key feature that led to people wanting to hack it back in.
It was never a key feature.
@@vegeta6555 if it wasn't there would not have been the class action lawsuit and this video wouldn't exist.
@@vegeta6555 It was never a key feature for you.
And as the company who hacked their own customers... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
@@vegeta6555 it was right on the box....
7:00 Pirates pirating pirates. Doesn't get any more internet than that.
lol
Power to the people!!! YAAAAR!!
Not everyone here was a pirate
Argggh! I be a pirate.
Ahrrg
I had no idea at the time what I was doing, but back in college I was able to pull off this exploit following a guide showing how to do it on a TI 84 calculator. Everyone in the dorm thought I was some kind of technical genius LOL
It could even be done from a PSP 😂
One step back from there was the custom Ti modding I did in middle school. Kids were buying used 83 plus and 83 silver so I could load games and PDA applications.
I was able to do it from an iPhone 3G since I didnt have a TI84. I almost went out to buy a used calculator just for this. You had to turn off the phone and boot into a another mode that was just scrolling lines of text constantly, plug it into the PS3, turn it on and constantly mash that eject button. I think that was it, unless it was a button combo of eject and power.
Man it feels like the switch RCM bug, every device with an USB port can be used to send the payload...
I was able to MacGyver it with a iPhone 2G
Those were the days! No way I could afford $120 USD back then, but I managed to get a clone once they arrived in New Zealand. I don't think we had Aliexpress back then, but there were more modchip-selling shops back then.
did not know that karl rock was into modding consoles but here we are
@@spritzerland658 karl has a handful of videos going through gameshops where he talks about his interest in retro games, he also peruses retro gaming shops and has a look if they do anything like modchips for old consoles. one of the vids you can see the people in the store selling the usb keys for the ps3.
How many times do these companies need to learn: Never mess with Linux nerds.
thou shall not defeat an army of wizards
@randomguy8196 People like you is why we can't have nice things. Corporation apologist.
@randomguy8196 Keep proving my point kid.
@randomguy8196 Keep at it Big Company apologist.
No need to refute anything, you alone do that for me me.
@@J0derVIVIVI He is correct in saying that if GeoHotz had never started hacking the PS3, then OtherOs would have likely never been removed as a feature and all PS3 systems out there would now happily run linux "out of the box".
After the PS Jailbreak was cracked the method I used was an iPhone 2G with a modified Android booter that loaded the payload. Until we got the permanent CFW of course. #goodtimes
How did you get Android on an iPhone?
TH-cam tutorials
The biggest mistake here was that PSJailbreak decided to sell their device at a ridiculous price
LEGOF I agree with this. 👌
@LEGOF exactly, they had just reverse engineered the PS3. I doubt they had high expectations that their USB drives were going to go uncracked for very long.
LEGOF Agreed, that’s why 3DS flash carts existed for a time
Even if it was free, someone would reverse engineer and distribute it. Also, although I didn't buy it at the time, 120-150$ for the complete PS3 library at the time wasn't that bad.
Read more the issue is that Sony was loosing money selling the ps3 at their price when it first came out regardless.
As a longtime console gamer who has never even attempted to hack a system, I find these videos very entertaining and informative. Keep up the good work!
Modded my PS3 the other day. It is an absolute beast when it comes to homebrew.
If I’ve learned anything from these kinds of videos it is “don’t tell people they cannot do something if you deny it they will prove you wrong”
I wish I tell girls they can’t date me and that doesn’t work I want them to date me
Moral of the story: do not piss off linux users ;)
True moral of the story: don't promises access to linux-ers in first place. They are very vindictive bunch!
@Deon Denis Here is another mistake Sony made en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
You can still run Linux on a PS4 with a usb.. It's pretty cool.
But it's soo much fun! ......... Hey, why's my mouse moving on it's own?
@Deon Denis Yup, hell there was even a few versions of Linux that ran on Dreamcast, called LinuxDC, and Dreamcast Linux (done by Lxdream)
I remember when the PS3's private key was found and tweeted at Sony's spokesman at the time who RE-TWEETED IT! OMG it was hilarious! Needless to say the guy lost his job. ROFL! XD
ErroneousClique is that true?
@@deen.3410 yes
@@deen.3410 He re-tweeted it saying something like "You have sunk my battleship" and included the key or something because he didnt understand it was a key they tweeted at him.
@@ErroneousClique Is there a link?
@@deen.3410 Found it
They shot themselves I'm the foot when they removed Other OS.
That they did, Sony just like how they did a couple year earlier: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal
@@wh0_am_152
If they had kept other OS the PS3 would've remaind unhackable, because there wouldn't of been nothing to hack.
Hacking potential aside, I was actually looking forward to buying a PS3 for that feature. Alas, when they announced it was going away, I lost interest.
@@AbG-pk4ti I know, had Sony kept OtherOS , the only primary motivation anyone would have to hack the PS3 would have been piracy, and only a few hackers would bother with hacking for that motivation alone. No, most hackers just want to run homebrew on their systems and as the PS3 already had a version of Linux there was little reason for that, at the start.
@randomguy8196 No.
George Hotz is such an insane character. Watch his videos on how to reverse engineer a program or he's open source autopilot for cars.
I remember seeing this back in the day. I was sure it was fake as it looked super sketchy. How wrong I was.......
I was pretty mad when OtherOS got removed (so much so that I took part in the class action suit as I commented on your last PS3 vid). At that time, the PS3 was my main TV emulation box. This was before the Twilight Hack opened my Wii up but even after that point, the raw processing power of the PS3 meant that snes9x and VirtualBoyAdvance ran significantly better on the PS3 under Linux in a hypervisor than they did unoptimized natively on the Wii.
can we talk about how genius this trick is? the guy who figured this out, man respect to him/her for coming up with that fake 6 usb hub, that was really cool and interesting to see you breakdown and explain.
When you wish you could press a bigger LIKE, cause of how great the execution of this video is!
Could you possibly do a video on how the TOOL battery modded PSP's at all? always found that fascinating that a battery could do that.
he already has
I've always known it as the Pandora battery.
@@djdrew11 yes ok but the ting is the pandora battery was just a modified battery, you could actually modify the battery yourself. I did it once back in day
it has magic lithium
@@djdrew11 also a case of Sony being suprinsgly cool with it as they later revealed that this mod would not damage your console (because it was the same method Sony used to service bricked systems.)
I remember this vividly. This is when I got into following the scenes and the different developers. Literally 3 weeks after setting up Linux on my PS3 and having Sony take it away. I've been anti Sony ever since
My roommate got one for his system, what i remember is that it was a temporary software mod that would disappear after every power down and need to be re-applied, similar to the Switch paperclip hack. Also, sony made new firmware with new games that would mess with the hack, so you could never play new games without either looking for a custom firmware, or maybe you had to mod the game image to rip out the update i cant remember exactly.
Tubby J similar to how HEN or HAN is now lol
Sony did that with the PSP too. Back in the day I used a trainer for GTA Liberty City Stories and when Vice City Stories was released, it "required" a bundled firmware update to run. All that update did was patch the hole that allowed the trainer to LCS (and many other things like emulators) to execute on the PSP. I loved Sony until the mid to late 2000s when they began doing crap like this and move their manufacturing to China, and yet still charged a pretty penny for their stuff. I'm actually glad they're a now a shell of their former self and will probably disappear in a few years if Microsoft keeps buying gaming studios out. 😆
How to create a MVG video thumbnail.
Console image + overlay text “mistakes were made”
Simple, and charming.
Also add the most known device used to jailbreak said console
@OtherCannon Also Your avatar looks like it came from Henry the Stickman series.
@OtherCannon Also well, it's formulaic but certainly not clickait you always get what you want
he's got a point
God I still remember booting into CFW by hooking up my fucking iPod Nano and booting that up just in the right moment, haha.
To this day it still has that CFW load on it. This brings back memories.
basically:
If it doesn't run linux, it will be made to run linux
Eventually, it will also be made to run Doom or Duke Nukem. Maybe Skyrim too, in a different OS.
Still waiting for Linux on my Sega Genesis. :-P No, but this Linux user gets your point.
Everytime I see "Mistakes were made" on the thumbnail of an MVG video I immediately click on it no questions asked
Every time I see notification of a new MVG video, I immediately click on it no questions asked
I remeber getting one of these . Aaah good times ☺️ i remember the selection of playable games when the PSJB came out was very limited, but grew in time
If someone can create it, someone can destroy it - especially if you start removing features in a panic!
Love seeing how all these barriers were defeated, genuinely fascinating and clever stuff.
Classic Streisand Effect. Another great video, thanks MVG!
Great video, got lost in 2018 vids that were outdated but this takes the cake! :) TY
I love these in-depth exploit retrospectives that you do. I find the whole process of console exploitation so fascinating, all the reverse engineering and loopholes, and just the game of cat and mouse between the devs/crackers and the manufacturers.
I still remember when I first learned that my phat PSP could be hacked, and then watching as the scene around it exploded. And then all these years later I got to repeat that experience with the PS Vita. Hopefully we'll see something happen in the PS4 scene now that it's reaching EOL.
It will happen.
Wishing the same too, hopefully!
Saw a survey to watch this and this video is really good.
every time i see "mistakes were made" i assume it's some kind of video about my past marriage
Oh my... That got dark real fast. I hope you're doing well now.
If this doesn't end up top comment in this comment section, I've lost faith in humanity.
I'm sorry to hear
Yours or mine. That's the real question
You made may day...
Sorry didnt work out
This is a stark reminder to companies that hackers will always take on a challenge. With custom firmware Nintendon't, consumers with hacked Wii U's can play Gamecube discs in their Wii U consoles. If Sony decides to block backwards compatibility for the PS5, I look forward to Sony repeating history and ending up so panicked about device security that they overdo it again in a way that brings out the wrath of their fans. Love your work, MVG! Keep fighting the good fight!
absolutely no one:
modern vintage gamer: mistakes were made
Some newest Company: We made a console that is pure unhackable unlike PS3 and XBOX
Some hacker: *I SMELL A CHALLENGE*
The biggest problem is that like that's almost what it is. And like I mean that as the biggest problem for companies. If hacking was purely done to pirate games and stuff you might be able to discourage hackers but a lot of people do just do it for fun because it's kinda like a puzzle.
@@hedgehog3180 speaking about hackable...
Well some old *Unhackable* console really did it's job like PS3, but by saying the word "Unhackable on you console is just equal to challenge every hacker to breach their console
Tim Cook: "This gonna be good!" * *eats popcorn* *
\(•●•)/ challange excepted lol
To be fair, the people who found the exploit had nothing to do with the revenge narrative over OtherOS but rather had found a way to run homebrew and charged for it. Most likely someone who worked in service and maintenance.
They did not release on the wild and had never the intention to disclose it.
Someone had to buy the implementation and reverse engineer it and who knows who long would an alternative such as running an exploit through a game save would had take.
Sony: Removes Other OS
Hackers: *So you have chosen... death.*
@Leopold mostly because they're dying
Also modded switches have Linux
Lmao
Nice music.
Sony , creates USB access
Anonymous co , we reversed engineered the system and created a USB port to hack the system. But it cost a lot
Random dude : we reversed engendered the stick and it is now open sourced..
So far this is the best "you played yourself" meme in history
I swear I watch this channel all of the time. I can't help it. You are just that knowledgeable 👍🏻
Me: got born
MVG: MISTAKES WERE MADE
Can't wait to see the video on how fail0verflow dumped the private key. If I remember right, on account of Sony's own PSP emulator built into the system software, it wound up opening the door to sign PSP code too. PS3 got hacked so hard that it made the PSP even more trivial to hack than it already was.
Next up: How a paperclip defeated the Nintendo Switch
How a toothpick with some tinfoil on it defeated the nds lol.
I used 3d printed mini thingie and I am glad I did
That video used to exist until Nintendo slapped everyone with DMCA takedown notice
@@PhilXavierSierraJones Shitendo is hands down the worst company every, especially nowadays. If you think youve seen it all, Shitendo is just about to drop something new, even more nonsensical and anti-consumer bs the world hasnt seen before.
I actually went to college with George Hotz who is mentioned several times in this video at CMU. He was incredibly smart and quite the character.
I see "Mistakes were made" on the thumb, I click.
The ones who bought the expensive original jailbreak just so they could reverse engineer it and open source it for free are the real MVPs.
I used a Ti-84 calculator. It blew people's minds that technically "I used a Calculator to mod my PS3".
i LOVE this series you have been doing. please keep doing them
I will laugh heartily when the PS5 comes out already hacked.
Tbh I'm a Sony guy but Microsoft always does an amazing job at stopping exploits and jailbreaks. The Xbox 360 can't be jailbroken without using a mod chip. And the Xbox One doesn't even really have a jailbreak at all.
@@outrageous5363 probably because nobody cares about xbox , it's only popular in the US
@@mister_9208 Yes. I think PS is better as a whole but i was thinking of getting a Xbox series S but the 500GB storage and no disc drive was a deal breaker, i'll upgrade my PC then i'll go for the PS5.
@@outrageous5363 at least you have game pass. Better than steam where you constantly pay $15 for bottom of the bin “early access” trash
@@wolfetteplays8894 If you think Game Pass is better than steam you need mental help
Best part after coming home from work on mondays..new MVG content...thanks !
Sony: A bee just stung me! I'll kick the hell out of the beehive!
Man, I remember this. I had a jailbroken iPod touch and you could use that to put your PS3 to Factory/Service mode. You could even use a Texas Instruments 84 calculator as a Jig device.
when i see 'mistakes were made', i know this will be good
The first jailbreak I used on PS3 was the unofficial firmware update signed using the leaked private keys that GeoHot obtained using information from team fail0verflow. No special jig needed. Eventually I had converted the console to debug using rebug cfw in order to emulate bd. Man those times were crazy.
Your order of events isn't quite correct.
August 20th: The PSJailbreak is announced. Samples are sent out to a few reporters and modchip vendors as proof.
August 25th: First "Chinese clone" is announced. Doesn't ship until mid September.
September 1st: Open source PSGroove exploit is released to the public.
As far as I'm aware at the time PSGroove was released, most modchip stores haven't even received shipment of the original PSJailbreak or the clones. Nobody had them.
I haven't seen much evidence of anyone receiving them until mid or late September.
While PSGroove is technically a clone (based on a single USB trace of one of the sample units), it bet everything else to market.
Most of the clones are based on PSGroove source code.
Thank you for these videos, they are incredibly informative and in-depth enough to not be boring.
Removed on April 1st
It that a joke? Sony?
Sony is a joke.
@@renakunisaki hush anime pfp
@@nutmalone5527 but it's true
@@thepurplemudkip9998 how
@@nutmalone5527 Whats wrong with anime?
It touches the PS3 in all the right places and the PS3 blushes and allows access to all the *special features*
So the moral of the story is, never remove a promised feature. No matter how much people threatened you.
I really enjoy your videos. It's not the usual rehashing of video game information that I am used to other content creators using. Refreshing and very educational and unique in this modern day of TH-cam.
Never forget GeoHot ... Internet Legend.
Honestly, I thought the Wii was my favorite home brew/ jailbroken console, but this makes me wanna buy a ps3 and do this, it looks like a ton of fun, and honestly I miss some of the games I used to own, so it’s an easy way to revisit them without having to purchase them a second or third time.
Well a USBkey defeated Iran nuclear plants, so it's not really a surprise..
PS3 is still a good system in 2023, unbelievable
"You caused the very thing you sought to avoid Sony"
If you like the USB aspect, check out the GreatFET ONE or FaceDancer. You can enumerate this device and vendor (and more) data in Python, you can also MiTM devices.
geohot is a legend, he was the man that helped me get into rooting and programming at the most fundamental level
Next up: How a paper clip defeated the nintendo switch security xD
Great informative and entertaining video as always!
Who would win?
One of the most advanced, seemingly unhackable security system ever made
Or
1 shiny boi
i love how you just get straight to the point. Great video
Fun fact: Geohot found a vulnerability, back in a day, in Android Kitkat and exploited it. This made rooting as easy installing towelroot and pressing the button "Make It rain".
As simple as that NO complicated step required.
I'm really liking these videos about how different game consoles were eventually hacked.
I remember the name GeoHotz being everywhere back in the day!
Yeah, but KaKaRoTo was the one that started it all.
I always love the chiptunes at the beginning of your video. Gets me hyped and remembering a day long ago with "warez" and keygens
Sony still hasn’t learned their lesson: do not anger your users or you will pay dearly.
They paid, yes. And then people still flocked to buy their products, making it possible for them to make new mistakes and afford to pay for those as well. The slow but inevitable creep continues.
Iv gota say thanks for all your videos. This is history that needs to be known, and you do it great.
Sony: spends millions in settlements by removing other OS to protect PS3 from exploits
Community: *finds exploits anyway*
Not many people were looking for the exploits on ps3 (not really actually trying much) , but once removed Other OS that upset a lot of people and put a lot more work on it
If they had left other OS in it may of been broken eventually but most likely been some more years I guess (unless they did manage to brake in via Other OS as what Sony was paranoid about which really work great for them removing it in fines and accelerating the exploit finding)
I can picture the executive meeting going on like this.
"Yeah, let's make those hackers angry, that'll keep them away for sure!"
Next video: How a Paperclip defeated security on the Nintendo Switch
Lol i used a piece of tinfoil 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Android is also be in looked at via SD card image for the switch
Who else is here after the PS Closure date got announced, and is now realising all the games you bought are locked behind DRM?
Didn't the military buy a ton of PS3's to run Linux on, right before Sony removed it
Owen Carey sony then provided the military with a custom os just for them
@@Balmori78 for some time. I read an article sometime ago that claimed that a cluster of ps3 was cheaper and more powerful than a supercomputer of the day, even scientists were interested, but then Sony shut everything off and the test run was closed.
It was a University in America that built the first cluster, nowhere near the scale of the military one though. I think, but I don't know for sure, that a portion of it is still running. Sony didn't directly kill it off as the machines were not updated, but units died over time and replacements were no longer available. Plus, time moves on and technology improves. The PS3 clusters were eventually obsolete.
Let's be clear on some facts of that story. It was the United States Navy Super Computer Cluster. It was chosen to use PS3s because of its ability to run Linux and it's CPU which is capable of supercomputing. The Computer has since been decommissioned by the U.S Government for being obsolete. I have one of the Phat PS3s used in the system with its original sticker that says us navy and it's serial number etc.
@@Balmori78 One could say that they provided them with an "Other OS"...
This is why i still use my ps3. Hacked Consoles are the best consoles. Thanks to all developers that enables these consoles to be hacked too. They give us true ownership of these consoles and i life game cheats the most. Wish Sony would bring out an official game hacking mechanism to keep gaming exciting. What's the point of owning a game you can never complete?
Here we are in 2019 and I am running Arch Linux on my PS4.
I LOVE WHITE-HATS!
How dare you do as you please with hardware you own. For shame!
@@zoomzabba452 I never said I was 100% white in this senrario 😂😂😂
Cool ... but why?
@@unitedfools3493 I am running a video encoder client on there that I'm working on.
And it's just fun to make it do what it can but wasn't intended to do😉
@@Stoney_Eagle I'am using Psxita arch linux on ps4 to run CS GO on my multiple accs to farm cases and earn a few bucks XD
The ps3 being thought of as unhackable probably hurt sales, especially in poorer countries where pirated games were a bigger deal, and online multiplayer was less important, if not difficult or impossible do to internet inavailability, downtime, or expense.
I pretend I understand mostly of what you say
Lol
Just keep watching these, you will understand eventually.
Sometimes I understand most of it, and sometimes I get that confused I have to come back a week or two later after researching terms, and then he hits me with another one on the same video haha.
It’s taken me a month to understand a video more than once.
Hahaha same
Fawzan Fawzi . You just sitting there nodding in agreement with a puzzled look on your face?
To quote extra credits "do not screw with the type of person who installs Linux on their PS3 your not winning that battle."