I used to teach inverted and center pick. A safer and easier way so you do not have to invert multiple times is lower to side of patient then attach safety (no invert), haul up (no invert), remove their descender, and lower patient into your main line then place your feet under patient arm pits to control on way down. Positioning yourself on the side of patient makes acces easier and faster.
Question, I just finished rope tech yesterday (flusar). There were 14 people in the class 3-4 instructors. Class started 830am to an average of 7pm with an hour lunch. For our pickoff day we each got 2 pickoffs reps, 1 with a strap and 1 using an aztec. The final practical was to do a pickoff timed 15 mins or less. We had no other practice time, our only reference at home was to look for TH-cam vids. Do you think that’s acceptable and unrealistic expectations for a student to complete?
Sorry about the late reply unfortunately time constraints can have a major impact on classes like these and lead to teaching to the minimum. It is best to seek and stress training with your team following your ropes course to stay trained up and ready so you are comfortable with the tactics should a situation arise.
One thing is wrong; the ID is made for two people and a friction biner is only added for more control of the rope to prevent too rapid descents as the user manual describes. Teaching people that some gear is not made for something but with some tweaking can be used for a certain job is teaching bad habits and serious accidents waiting to happen. Bad teacher in my opinion if he teaches like this with partially incorrect information.
Here's some clarification for the Petzl ID: 1. Maximum working load for one person: 150 kg 2. Maximum working load for two persons (rescue): 250 kg 3. Extra friction carabiner is required for a two person (rescue) load The idea of stressing the point to students that the ID is only meant for a one person load is so that they're not normally loading it beyond one person. Rescue is the only situation when you would load it with two people. Yes, instructor could have been a bit more clear on that point but did a good job otherwise.
For the record, telling someone that they're a bad instructor for teaching safe and conservative principles is pretty wild. You were only able to point out one issue, and it isn't wrong per se. Makes the instructor pretty good in my eyes.
I used to teach inverted and center pick. A safer and easier way so you do not have to invert multiple times is lower to side of patient then attach safety (no invert), haul up (no invert), remove their descender, and lower patient into your main line then place your feet under patient arm pits to control on way down. Positioning yourself on the side of patient makes acces easier and faster.
Whoa, that was sick! Thank you guys for sharing. Wish I sat through the whole class!
A 5 meter petzl jag pully system could be way easier because its multi purpose
Question, I just finished rope tech yesterday (flusar). There were 14 people in the class 3-4 instructors. Class started 830am to an average of 7pm with an hour lunch. For our pickoff day we each got 2 pickoffs reps, 1 with a strap and 1 using an aztec. The final practical was to do a pickoff timed 15 mins or less. We had no other practice time, our only reference at home was to look for TH-cam vids. Do you think that’s acceptable and unrealistic expectations for a student to complete?
Sorry about the late reply unfortunately time constraints can have a major impact on classes like these and lead to teaching to the minimum. It is best to seek and stress training with your team following your ropes course to stay trained up and ready so you are comfortable with the tactics should a situation arise.
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One thing is wrong; the ID is made for two people and a friction biner is only added for more control of the rope to prevent too rapid descents as the user manual describes. Teaching people that some gear is not made for something but with some tweaking can be used for a certain job is teaching bad habits and serious accidents waiting to happen. Bad teacher in my opinion if he teaches like this with partially incorrect information.
Here's some clarification for the Petzl ID:
1. Maximum working load for one person: 150 kg
2. Maximum working load for two persons (rescue): 250 kg
3. Extra friction carabiner is required for a two person (rescue) load
The idea of stressing the point to students that the ID is only meant for a one person load is so that they're not normally loading it beyond one person. Rescue is the only situation when you would load it with two people. Yes, instructor could have been a bit more clear on that point but did a good job otherwise.
For the record, telling someone that they're a bad instructor for teaching safe and conservative principles is pretty wild. You were only able to point out one issue, and it isn't wrong per se. Makes the instructor pretty good in my eyes.