Anti-Magic within the world of Black Clover isn’t considered boring op at all. People see Asta and his Anti-Magic as a abomination that erases graceful, beautiful and elegant magic power. Like that of royalties. What initially made Asta so intriguing to the characters in the story is that even though with such a mysterious and despicable power. Still made it this far. Asta can still compete with these mana monsters like Lucius who’s overwhelming magic power already forces people to their knees.
It is considered op literally the one who could even scratch lucifero was asta, he could just neg the twin demons attacks due to the properties of his anti magic sword, anti magic throughout the series is meat ridden to high heavens narratively too
What you said is definately true, and it could've been a really interesting concept to explore. Unfortunately we only went ankle-deep into it, and we only got, at most: "What?! Anti-magic?! How can such a thing exist?! Filthy commoner/human how dare you!" so... 🤷♂️
@@Snowforest60 I meant people still dismiss Asta as a filthy commoner because he roams from the poorest realm. It’s how the bulls decided to use Asta in battles until he fought entirely alone. Every antagonist from Patri, devils to Lucifero thought Asta was trash because he has 0 magic powers.
Personally I've always seen the relation between Magic and Anti-Magic, not as power system and counter, but rather like positive and negative, or matter and antimatter. Whilst mana would be the positive, an energy capable of contouring super natural phenomenons, Anti-Magic would be the opposite, but to do so thery must always have equal value. In math terms it's like this: (-100)+(+100)=0 They simply cancel out. And if one has more value than the other, it simply wins the struggle. Something like (-90)+(+100)=10 and thus Asta is affected/damaged by Magic. Or (-100)+(+90)=Asta Completely Cancels the Spell and the remaining Anti-Magic can be used to deal further damage🤷♂️
I think of it like soundwaves and how they interfere with each other. If two soundwaves meet, but one is vibrating half a wavelength behind the other, then they are both canceled out. However, if the amplitude of one is stronger than the other, then that one remains, albeit reduced. I will admit, though, that yours is a bit easier to understand. XD
it think the scaling for anti magic should be reflect= scales higher nullifies = scales to or is higher weakened = relative doesn't do anything = is not close to that lvl
Asta through the series learned to understand and master his anti magic it wasn’t until three arc later give or take he thought about using Ki sensing to the anti magic inside of him to tap into his black one horn mode for the first time by his choice. Also if Asta is not careful of using his black mode his anti magic will hone into the close strong source of mana/magic powers which happens three times. Lastly a bit acknowledge Asta physical strength he is holding the demon dweller sword with his teeth alone when fighting with his arms was broken, he isn’t zoro who trained since he was a kid and constantly still train to fight holding a sword in his mouth, if people look closely to the demon dweller sword it seem to be pure metal and that’s alone holding in either one or two takes a lot of strength and for asta to do it with his mouth show his level of physical strength. The demon divider is the heavies and biggest sword he have and he constantly dual wielding that thing with the demon dweller sword and the weight balance of the two swords are not the same so asta is constantly need to shift and rebalance every time he walk, run, and attack. If that doesn’t speak value of Asta physically than i dont know what does.
In the fight against Dante you should be able to see Anti-Magic hit the rocks dante was throwing at Asta. Mind you, bro was not moving he was simply changing the form of his Demon Slayer sword to attack(during Berserk Asta)
Technically, anti-magic in Black Clover is JJK’s cursed energy. It’s the physical manifestation of a little demon’s negative emotions towards magic and his fellow demon. I forget his name.
@@madambutterfly1997 not really. It’s similar-ish. But that’s more akin to Negative Mana. If anti-magic is just revealed to be Negetive Mana then I’m in!
demons in bc are just like cursed spirits but anti magic is like if a cursed exorcised himself but kept himself alive or like something relating to positive energy or temu version rct
Yeah. It's not some sort of busted omni-neg that deletes absolutely all magic. It's basically just a form of magic that has an elemental advantage over every other form of magic.
@@joaocarlosii2188 Yeah, but some people (like OthinusTheGod) claim it negates absolutely anything that's even the slightest bit supernatural, even though: - Phases themselves are supernatural and he's not wiping out phases by just existing in them (IB is passive) - Supernatural things with mundane components don't get entirely negated (like with samurai saint girl and her wires) - Touma is consistently shown to struggle with supernatural phenomena that regenerate (even though the regen is also supernatural and should thus also be negated by their logic) - There's consistently a limit to how powerful something can be until it isn't negateable (like with Fiamma's Holy Right)
Its a shame people ignore Asta's physical strength, the guy's moving at high speads, even though his swords are dull doesn't mean getting hit with a sword at m2 speeds isn't gonna hurt. But imagine if Asta gets his swords sharpened
I feel like a lot of people seem to forget is that anti-magic while strong is not an automatic win, button for Asta. It is very powerful, but Asta has to use with his own strength and his own tactics to win battles. And I feel like that makes them very interesting for verse debates as well. For example, Recently, I got into discussion with one of my friends who would win the fight between the black bulls and theand fairy tail guild from fairy tail. And honestly, we thought the fight could go either way. Simply because fairy tails magic works similarly but differently than black clovers, along with all the other magic and rules to put in place. So while anti-magic could help, asta would definitely have to be clever with it. And that also opens up a kind of questions regarding both series. Whould grays demon slayer magic be a counter to Asta because anti-magic comes from libi? Could his magic effect fairy tails curse power system, even though it’s different from magic? What would the anti-magic work and not work on? Those are questions I found super interesting when talking about Asta. But a lot of people just kind of disregard him just because he has anti-magic which I think is unfair.
People are idiots and stubbornly refuse to acknowledge a series that keeps to it lore and machines of how the world works and unlike how some series doesn’t keep to theirs.
Remember that time Asta had a curse in him that prevented healing magic from working on him, and instead of just stabbing himself in the arm bones with his anti-magic sword to un-curse himself and then let a healer heal *that* wound along with everything else, they had to go on some quest or something to find a cure? It's been very long time since I watched Black Clover but I remember something like that happening.
Yeah he was depressed but hid it from the black bulls but when they found out they resolved to doing whatever they could to heal him even vanessa surrendering to the witch queen for asta but asta was not okay with that
While this did happen, the curse put on him wasn’t normal magic it was hex magic from demon power I think, so he couldn’t slash himself to get rid of it like he has been seen doing through the series.
@@kitsun9375 I think it could be two possibilities 1. The magic used against asta was devil magic, so his own magic couldn’t cancel it outright (as seen with the word devil and the other spade magicians) OR 2. The hex magic used against him was far stronger than the anti magic capabilities he had at the time, so he couldn’t cancel it. As shown in this video, there are multiple times when asta’s anit-magic has been overpowered by others because he wasn’t strong enough, so I think it’s definitely possible it could be the second one.
@@sqeekeezthehamster1116 I'm noticing a trend with the manga video essayists these days, they spoil things randomly and without warning under the assumption everyone is caught up on everything they themselves have read.
Asta's Anti magic is chaos. If magic binds the energy, anti magic breaks the bind. Like entropy. Also got a question is Yami's Death Thrust a Zetten technique?
I dont think people downplay asta, they're just saying he'd be less effective against more physical fighters, especially if those fighters scale relative to him, like luffy or naruto
Yeah that makes sense basically inorder to nullify magic asta needs to be stronger than the caster or have equal scaling to him or her .. Good video 😁👍
Asta's sheer fucking will is what can make anti magic work. Without his monstrous strength, he wouldn't even be able to lift his swords, let alone wield as weapons. I get the distinct feeling that even if someone uses enhancement magic to be stronger, it wouldn't work because of the weapons' mana cancelling properties. Only Asta can wield them because in a world of wingardium leviosa, he's the only one who lifts
How can you say that Asta running up a static monster and eating it makes his vase form stronger than the combined magic of the whole brigade? He ate a plant, he didn't stop a nuclear bomb with his teeth. Besides that the video is pretty good explaining what anti magic his and how it boosted him. I would have added that anti magic make him fly towards another power source at great speed as another feat to it not just being the power to negate but a physical force
@@maryboyd8126 Couldn't it just mean that No Magic Power Yami is weaker than Base Asta? But yeah, he stronger than them enough to beat them all in a fight at the same time
Tbh I just think anti-matter isn’t written v well. It’s not terrible or anything and I don’t hate black clover but I just feel like anti-magic is inconsistent capabilities and it’s essentially just like magnetism. Anti magic is literally just magic. It’s just negatively charged magic. So you have 100 units of wind magic, you need 100 units of anti magic to cancel it out. The best way to think about it is that every magic has a specific effect and anti magic (still being magic) has the specific effect of cancelling other magics. But it is still just magic. We think of it as anti-matter in quantum physics but it’s not that at all. It’s just an another type of regular magic.
I have a theory that Asta can use Magic. the 5 Leaf is Licht's Grimoire and we can see that it still has his Sword Magic from when he fought Asta and could pull out "purified" versions of all his swords and Liebe supplies his body with this Anti Energy. He's able to "cast" spells that can be looked at as cantrips (0 effort spells) like storing his sabers in the book, and after bonding with Liebe (only at 50%) he's able to "cast" spells using the swords like the ranged slashes and riding his main sword like a boogieboard. and when he achieves 100% unity with Liebe he can make his swords massive and levitate them like Licht
He cannot DIRECTLY use magic, and him "storing his saber in the book" is him literally just using his Grimoire, Anti-Magic is basically just Negative Magic.
@@maryboyd8126 yah he's never gonna cast "Origin Flash Barrage", but I think he could have Asta has a moveset if it wasn't for being born without magic
a lot of these power scaling discussion/argument videos wouldn't have been made if anime fans simply didn't ignore the fact that characters TRAIN and IMPROVE over time and that's why they become better. doesn't matter how OP someone is, if he doesn't train then he and his power are useless. if Naruto didn't learn about chakra natures then he would never have been able to learn how to apply wind nature to rasengan and do the same thing with other chakra natures during the war arc
Wait hold on , I thought asto's anti magic came from the demon that was sealed inside of him and the swords were meant to help focus and control it and to be used as weapon
Asta’s “blades” are completely blunt as said by a few characters, the anti-magic can’t improve nothing so they just go with whatever asta thinks as blades and he thinks they’re just bludgeoning weapons. The boy deals nothing but blunt force trauma onto anyone he fights, that his absolute unshakable will to never give up no matter the obstacles in his way. (Plus the boy is jacked to hell and back)
Well one of anti magic weakness is that if you have a huge amount of magical power you can’t negate or erase all of it. It happened with Conrad and it happened with dark elf Patri We also know that anti magic is useless when opponent does physical attacks but Asta recently learn how to deal with opponents like that from his battle with Lucifero. Basically anti magic is pretty much a source of energy where Asta can do everything a mage can do but he does it in his own way or the complete opposite of what mages do.
Agreed, matchups are still a problem for Asta, but the gap is closing in his own verse because of his constantly improving abilities. He still struggles against being physically overwhelmed because he can’t negate physical damage. Still struggles losing energy clashes because there’s a limit to what he can negate. Still struggles to fighting styles like the dancing sword technique (not an amazing example since he learned it and countered it, but in a situation he can’t do that like against characters with unpredictable patterns or disorienting fighting styles). It’s just that in his own verse he’s undoubtedly top 3 at the moment, so arguing matchup isn’t exactly applicable.
It isn’t. Magic is derived from mana. That’s why no one can sense any magic in the 5 leaf clover grimoire, and they can’t sense Asta with mana sensing. Anti magic is its own thing. Derived from anti mana/negative mana.
Here's one thing tho Asta cannot have a bad match up. Every matchup is a good oen because his powers are not elemental based like most of the cast or at least based on one thing, thereby allowing someone with a natural counter to have an advantage. Like Luffy and Enel because rubber nullifies electricity. It basically boils down to increase output and hit harder.
It’s the same thing for spatial, time, gravity, star, curse warding, and thread magic. Probably more. None of these magics have counters to them, and it comes down to being faster, stronger, more skilled. Doesn’t make antimagic overpowered, it just means there isn’t an elemental advantage for anyone, or disadvantage. It just means you either have to be stronger, quicker, or more skilled. Thus why Asta was weaker than ichika and the iron magic user in the land of the sun. Thus why Asta wasn’t able to land an attack on the sword dancer. It isn’t just about overpowering him. Same with everyone else.
So some things Asta is incredibly strong on his on, he is swinging around huge chunks of metal effectively and has some level of swordsmanship He can only reflect mana of he can scale to it, otherwise he’ll probably cut it Due to the rule of verse equalization, and supernatural power system would be equivalent to mana While he isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed, he is by no means dumb as he was able to figure out how to get anti magic circulating in his body by remembering past experiences
Anti magic is a debuff, astas strength does enough damage to ko his enemies, its literally like an emp that needs phyical touch, it is an aura, its also a levelling thing, thats why him and Yami arent close because Yami's magic needs him to be physically optimal. Also physics comes into play unless he is using the sword that sucks up magic he has to deal with the g force of his enemies attacks. Example Lazer beam gets shot at asta, he has block it and brace for the impact that comes with the lazer, if he has the dweller or destroyer, (i confuse them) he can just absorb the lazer as its making contact or within affinity pull range. Potency is definitely a factor
The best way I ever saw to describe anti-magic is to always be fighting fire with water. You do have a clear upper hand but if the diference is too big it won’t work
There are many Naruto TH-camrs that cover the basic rules of its power system, maybe you should do that for Black Clover? Like for example: what is mana? What is mana zone? What if a mage stacks ultimage magic and true magic? Etc. But if you want to focus on the narrative aspect then I don't mind, just a friendly suggestion.
I always viewed anti-magic as an equal to dark matter. What we know of dark matter is that it exists, has weight, but it it contacts matter itself of equal mass both are destroyed.
Anti-magic can also destroy physical things like rocks, steel, among others, so it may not nullify an individuality or chakra, but it will still cause physical damage.
The simplest way I can describe anti magic is it's like a potent eraser. Yes this eraser can complety remove anything you write on a piece of paper, but it can still run out, it's not an infinite eraser. If tasked to eraser a whole book, one or two eraser wouldn't be enough. And you will need a big stamina to do so. Eraser, Anti Magic Writing on the paper, Magic Stamina, Strength.
I didn't read all of Black Clover after learning more and more about the anti-magic not because it's general misconception it's just the presentation is repetitive in the beginning, it's definitely commendable that he can withstand attacks without the anti-magic stuff going on, but compared it to Mashle, for some reason Because Mashle is presented as Comedy I could let alot of his "bullshit" slide meanwhile Black Clover is presented to be taken seriously, He's just given the strongest ability (against almost everything) so i couldn't really take his "training to be the best" attitude it started feeling like Naruto, or the easy shonen trope that i've seen alot. The problem is that Now it's written backwards, instead of the Protagonist working to figure out the weakness of their opponent now the writer has to find a way to justify why certain attacks/magic against "anti-magic" as a concept, and it get's really dumb/stupid at some point that i couldn't take it seriously anymore. And I'll be honest i still haven't wrap my head around the idea of Anti-magic but because of this video i might actually pick it up again soon/
People think that anti-magic will be weak everywhere else because they don’t read the parts of the story where the black energy it shoots out does “physical” damage to what it hits even if it’s not magical. Asta would be nowhere near weak in the other verses.
That's the thing about making comparisons between power systems in manga. IMO it would be better to compare Asta and his magic system to other, similar ones, like Meliodas' and NNT, or Natsu's and Fairy tail. IIRC they already have crossovers, but I might be wrong.
Anti magic is more of a curse than a gift, asta took that curse suffered countless times because of it's drawbacks and weaknesses in a world with no one to teach him how to use his powers properly and through many battles and hardships he made it his own, anti-magic isn't an overpowered ability but asta made it overpowered himself
He trained with the Demon Dweller Sword gripped with his teeth when his arms were broken, and even that was a whole year ago from where the manga is now.
The way i see it Anti magic isn’t multiplying by -1 instead its an aditon of -1 As in asta needs compable output to nullify For example If enemy has 10 magic And asta -1 What happens is not the magic becomes-10 Rather 9
I like the idea that the amount of anti magic anergy Asta produces has to be relevant to the spell he is cancelling out for it to work Really, balances a would be overpowered move
To me it’s like everyone uses magic which is like positive numbers. While Asta has access to a large and growing amount of negative numbers. As long as he uses the same amount of anti magic that other people use normal magic they will cancel out, or simply weaken a spell. That’s why he has to scale to the opponent. He’s still using a magic source, it just has the opposite effect of normal magic.
The way I see anti-magic is basically the magic equivalent of anti-matter. It's an opposite force. It nullify's magic because they're opposites, but doing that isn't it's only feature. Just a noteable one in-context. A world where Anti-magic was the main force, would likely see normal magic act similarly to how anti-magic acts in the show's world. It just so happens that sources of anti-magic tend to be extremely powerful and so often look like they're outright countering, when really they're canceling eachother out, but the anti-magic user is just outputing more power.
Do you think you could do a Vs Battles debate of other Magicians like what if Dr Strange, Dr Fate, Zatanna, Prep Time Dr Doom, John Constantine, and The Scarlet Witch were to be in the BCverse.🙏🙏🙏
5:30 I would say it’s only in reference to asta reflecting the magic and not erasing it since we see asta passively erase magic before and also asta didn’t reflect 100% of those 5 elves attacks attack the end he helped zoro reflect the attack when zoro’s magic was starting to break and couldn’t fully reflect the times 4 amped attack but he did reflect the 2x amp attack back at zoro
@@igneellinde4123 we actually don’t really know that. He did reflect the 4x combo spell, it was just not the beam, but the array holding the beam. It was Zora’s array that struggled to hold it. Both Asta and Zora believed Asta could reflect the 4x spell. So that’s enough evidence to put Asta on that level.
@@Br0ku but we do know that. In ch 153 asta was reflected the 2x attack back at zoro and then zoro would amp it by 2x again and send it back at the Elves but he couldn’t release it so asta helped him that doesn’t mean he can withstand the full force of the 4x attack because we know zoro would also be trying to release it he just needed the extra push 🤷🏾♂️
@@IrumaA-y8j it couldn’t send out the attack that doesn’t mean it stoped trying to send it out nor does it prove that asta sent the full force of the attack back at the elves I see it as a joint struggle if asta was 4x stronger then him in base why doesn’t he just 1 shot them
1:20 in, um...literally EVERY thing i've every seen that pits deku against asta has ALWAYS gone in astas favor because "devil mode"....there's like 300+ videos that got real popular where this was the case
you're also going into this video with a bunch of examples of anti magic not working because asta was out-maneuvered or straight up outclassed, not because anti magic "doesn't work" against his opponents
I think anti-magic is akin to antimatter in the real world. Antimatter is basically regular matter but an opposite charge. This would explain why anti-magic acts exactly like magic in term of ability. Also would in-line with the Liebe being a supreme devil theory because most of them have like a universal law power(time, gravity, space). This would also explain the black bulls using anti-magic. Antimatter is essentially regular matter too. You can have antimatter water and it will act like regular water. In the same sense you can have anti-magic act like regular magic.
People don't realize Asta only seems op because of how hard he works. Asta has to learn Antimagic which is a complete novelty which is why after going to the land of the sun, his combined experience if I'm being honest in use is comparable to Elf arch Yuno. If Antimagic was not a new thing and he didn't need to reinvent the wheel learning equivalents of magic that are taught to children in the verse then he'd be even more op. It really feels like he's still learning the basics and the overall potential of anti magic has yet to be truly explored
Something to point out about black clover is that no ones really ever just carried by their magic ability or one spell. Even having atremendous amount if magic doesmt mean anything if you dont work towards improvign yourself. Another thing i see peolle want to complain is that only asta can damage this person and thats fine because ooutside of a few characters hes not able to solo any big enemy he needs help and black clover thrives in team up strategies.
this just confirms my the fact that Tabata can't write a Power System to save his life, no wonder he gave up from WSJ n defaulted to Monthly slop in another magazine, it suits his skill level
You also have to mention asta doesn’t have anti-magic he wields swords that have antimagic without the swords asta is just a physically powerful character who sadly wouldn’t truly stand a chance against most other characters
@@Br0ku I’ve just watched the anime haven’t read the manga but asta legit just has no magic without his grimuar and the reason he’s the only one who can use the antimagic swords is because in anyone else’s hands they drain mana to fast
@@fv_deadshot_00yt84 and I’ve read/watched it more times than you and showed blatant feats of him without anti-magic cliffing most of the characters in the verse z
I get what u mean asta basically has negative magic power so just randomly quantifying it if we say he has -100 magic and tries to absorb an attack with 1000 magic it would only weaken the spell by 10% wmand that's assuming he puts his full strength in a single atrack 7:16
domain amplification isnt negation its absorbtion , the empty barrier literaly absorbs the technique it comes in contact with , it doesnt nullify and its pretty slow if its low output + even at high output/mastery it wont completly bypass techniques with high output it'll just slowly go through em also domain amplification literaly either stops or freezes your own technique while using it also imo anti-magic wouldnt nullify cursed energy since they are sort of similar cursed energy is by nature negative or on the negative spectrum of energy in jjk same as anti-magic cursed energy can nullify positive energy but unlike in black clover positive energy actually has an edge in nullifying cursed energy its like if magic was stronger than anti magic and could nullify anti-magic sort of still i think my point stands due to the nature of both anti-magic and cursed energy , cursed energy wouldnt be nullified , but positive energy(whats used in reversals and RCT) could potentially be
@@justrad7637 it’s actually stated in the series/databook as neutralize/negate. It can be seen as a form of absorbtion as it’s transferring the technique into your empty domain. So… functionally the same thing as Asta’s anti-magic in practice, minus the cancellation of your own CT
@@Br0ku it neutralizes through absorbtion , jogo literaly explains it , while its functionally the same , using it and the technicallity of them are different
@@Br0ku no asta didnt nullify anti-magic cursed energy isnt just some rando power source , its a mana/chakra/ki system and the base is negative , just like anti-magic is just on the negative spectrum of magic
Jacob’s ladder is a technique that utilizes negative energy to neutralize CT. ISOH is imbued with negative energy and a CT that forcibly shuts off CT. Same with black rope. It’s just asta’s ability. It isn’t the negative energy/mana that negates mana, it’s specifically anti magic. When asta uses his grimoire, he’s activating his antimagic, and imbuing it into everything. His swords, his body, and the spells he uses. Just like a CT can be imbued into a barrier, the body, a cursed tool, etc. The premise behind negative mana = negative energy means negative mana can’t negate negative energy is true, but the premise behind antimagic = negative energy is false on premise. That’s like saying that CT = negative mana so amping your negative mana enough to where it’s more powerful than the output of the CT would negate its effect, so whoever uses negative mana can negate the effect of ISOH by just reinforcing their body with enough negative mana.
I've since videos of natsu vs Astra and poeple saying he's anti magic will cancel it out i now believe natsu overwhelming magical out is too much for astra if we assume anti magic/mana will work the same on ethernano
I don't get it, maybe I am wrong, but isn't anti magic just magic, but inverse its just like how a numbers holds value and then the inverse negative number also holds value and together they negate each other its basic physics unless it isn't actually the inverse of magic I mean he can litterly fly on it meaning he can apply it like any other magic
People saying asta doesnt have AP or DC are straight up Weird. Brother almost gets straight up obliterated by Licht (or was that Patry? Can't remember) Those swords are just Giving asta a Power because he has no magic lol Why are people downplay Black Clover brother? 🤡
1:50 my biggest problem with the idea that "anti-magic merely negates magic" is the fact that it's simply not true. In a real-world example, anti-matter doesn't merely negate matter. On it's own, it acts just like normal matter. In a universe in which normal matter doesn't exist, anti-matter would be just as powerful as normal matter. Therefore, in verses where normal magic doesn't exist (mha, jjk, etc) it would function like normal magic. It is just as powerful as normal magic. edit: you go on to explain this in a different way right after I finish commenting with it being "anti-energy slashes" lol
Yeah . He kept breaking his limits and trapped more into anti magic power. Now he’s reached his fulll potential. Just like how Goku taps into UI and refines it to reach its true potential.
@Br0ku It's not he a Black clover fan. He's making a case for why Asta is stronger than people think, just like the people he claims are downplaying Asta are making cases about how the people they believe well win are stronger than Asta
@@deuanteharrison3471 Making a case for why someone is stronger than others give them credit for doesn’t make the case incorrect or biased, just like making a case against it. Being a person that makes mostly BC content doesn’t make his opinion skewed anymore than someone who mostly makes JJK content making an argument for or against JJK characters. Especially if it uses the source material where the powers are explained to back it up. There’s bias for and against certain series’, but you can’t argue that an argument using the actual statements and showings is bias. You can however argue that arguments not using statements and showings is bias. Like if he said Asta was able to cancel anything when we know from the source material that there are conditions to needing to cancel energy systems like mana. Or if you hear an argument that Asta doesn’t have AP because he just cancels out the magic and mana of the opponent when again we know that isn’t the case because of the conditions behind his powers. It’s all stated in the video. Though his content may be biased towards BC because he’s a BC fan, it doesn’t make the information, scaling, or statements in the story biased.
@@Br0kuyou literally made a video about how death battles are biased against the character who won. That's illogical. Asta won you still complained. That's sad
I think it’s stronger at the location it’s denser in. Like if he uses partial DU on his arm, then his slashing attacks should do more damage, but he’s likely slower than true DU. It also lasts twice as long if I’m not mistaken.
While i agree that Asta does have attack potency, i disagree that he would nullify other verses' abilities. why? 2:33 because of exactly what you said here. It's an entire energy system. It's also dishonest to assume that his antimagic would nullify any ability outside his verse especially if it's not Magic. There's no way or reason to believe that his power would interact with another form if energy that isn't magic from another verse
@@NEONlights-lb8um this video wasn’t about anti-magic working on other verses, just Asta’s AP in general. And I get what you are saying, but I disagree. Asta has already negated at least three different kind of energies with anti-magic. Magic power, Negative Mana, and Juryoku. The logic is if he can already negate 3 different kinds do energies, one from a different universe, than why not nullify similar energies in other verses. And while I disagree with your position, I’m not abhorrently against it, as long as you remain consistent with other verses and their powers too. For example, the prime function of domain expansions would become useless against other series and domain amplifications as well.
@Br0ku I also agree with you. I think some domain expansions would work outside of JJK, while some would be totally useless. For example, unlimited void which targets every living thing inside the domain regardless of those things having cursed energy and Sukuna's malevolent shrine which also targets everything (living or non living) regardless of whether they have cursed energy or not would definitely work outside of JJK but majority of other domains like Naoya's wouldn't. I think domain amplification and simple domain would be completely useless outside of JJK. My reason is that every verses' power systems operate under different rules. For example: in bleach, you can't hurt your opponent with your abilities unless your spiritual pressure is in the same ball park as the opponent, but in Naruto, even a genin can actually hurt a kage level character. Even a kunai can hurt an Otsutsuki (beings at the pinnacle of the Naruto verse). So, if you put a bleach character vs a naruto character and apply these rules of their verses, the only way to favor Naruto characters would be to throw away all the rules of the bleach verse which is what a ton of powerscalers do. I think Asta would nullify energy types outside black clover if these energies work similarly to magic in black clover. It's just a complicated debate altogether. For instance; could a quincy absorb Asta's anti magic? Or which would cancel the other? Asta's anti magic techniques or the truth seeking orbs from Naruto? 🤔
@@NEONlights-lb8um Gojo’s DE doesn’t target everything indiscriminately. The only domain ever stated to be able to target “objects” (things without cursed energy) is Sukuna’s. Characters without CE in verse even have to give consent to entering domains, explained during the Naoya fight. Same would apply for Gojo’s domain.
Bro doesn’t even need antimagic to do it. Demon slasher can cut through anything that Asta chooses to cut through. He can avoid infinity, and Gojo all together just to cut his CE if he wanted to like he did against sister Lily and Rosinante.
Anti-Magic within the world of Black Clover isn’t considered boring op at all. People see Asta and his Anti-Magic as a abomination that erases graceful, beautiful and elegant magic power. Like that of royalties.
What initially made Asta so intriguing to the characters in the story is that even though with such a mysterious and despicable power. Still made it this far. Asta can still compete with these mana monsters like Lucius who’s overwhelming magic power already forces people to their knees.
@@Grayson-Winchester agreed 💪🏻💪🏻
It is considered op literally the one who could even scratch lucifero was asta, he could just neg the twin demons attacks due to the properties of his anti magic sword, anti magic throughout the series is meat ridden to high heavens narratively too
What you said is definately true, and it could've been a really interesting concept to explore. Unfortunately we only went ankle-deep into it, and we only got, at most: "What?! Anti-magic?! How can such a thing exist?! Filthy commoner/human how dare you!" so... 🤷♂️
@@Snowforest60 I meant people still dismiss Asta as a filthy commoner because he roams from the poorest realm. It’s how the bulls decided to use Asta in battles until he fought entirely alone.
Every antagonist from Patri, devils to Lucifero thought Asta was trash because he has 0 magic powers.
@@altu8590 well, it’s part of Asta and the narrative that someone without an ounce of magic power that is a label to most people.
Personally I've always seen the relation between Magic and Anti-Magic, not as power system and counter, but rather like positive and negative, or matter and antimatter.
Whilst mana would be the positive, an energy capable of contouring super natural phenomenons, Anti-Magic would be the opposite, but to do so thery must always have equal value.
In math terms it's like this:
(-100)+(+100)=0
They simply cancel out. And if one has more value than the other, it simply wins the struggle.
Something like
(-90)+(+100)=10 and thus Asta is affected/damaged by Magic.
Or
(-100)+(+90)=Asta Completely Cancels the Spell and the remaining Anti-Magic can be used to deal further damage🤷♂️
That's actually like a pretty good analogy
that a better way to put it
that's a good way of putting it
I think of it like soundwaves and how they interfere with each other. If two soundwaves meet, but one is vibrating half a wavelength behind the other, then they are both canceled out. However, if the amplitude of one is stronger than the other, then that one remains, albeit reduced. I will admit, though, that yours is a bit easier to understand. XD
Combining the amplification and negation of magic. Hollow magic: Purple.
it think the scaling for anti magic should be
reflect= scales higher
nullifies = scales to or is higher
weakened = relative
doesn't do anything = is not close to that lvl
@@IrumaA-y8j I think that’s pretty much the case
Wouldn't Reflect and nullify be swapped?
I believe nullify should = scales higher
@@90sPotato I said it scales to or is higher effect means he scales above
Asta through the series learned to understand and master his anti magic it wasn’t until three arc later give or take he thought about using Ki sensing to the anti magic inside of him to tap into his black one horn mode for the first time by his choice. Also if Asta is not careful of using his black mode his anti magic will hone into the close strong source of mana/magic powers which happens three times. Lastly a bit acknowledge Asta physical strength he is holding the demon dweller sword with his teeth alone when fighting with his arms was broken, he isn’t zoro who trained since he was a kid and constantly still train to fight holding a sword in his mouth, if people look closely to the demon dweller sword it seem to be pure metal and that’s alone holding in either one or two takes a lot of strength and for asta to do it with his mouth show his level of physical strength. The demon divider is the heavies and biggest sword he have and he constantly dual wielding that thing with the demon dweller sword and the weight balance of the two swords are not the same so asta is constantly need to shift and rebalance every time he walk, run, and attack. If that doesn’t speak value of Asta physically than i dont know what does.
In the fight against Dante you should be able to see Anti-Magic hit the rocks dante was throwing at Asta. Mind you, bro was not moving he was simply changing the form of his Demon Slayer sword to attack(during Berserk Asta)
Technically, anti-magic in Black Clover is JJK’s cursed energy. It’s the physical manifestation of a little demon’s negative emotions towards magic and his fellow demon. I forget his name.
@@madambutterfly1997 not really. It’s similar-ish. But that’s more akin to Negative Mana. If anti-magic is just revealed to be Negetive Mana then I’m in!
nah
demons in bc are just like cursed spirits but anti magic is like if a cursed exorcised himself but kept himself alive or like something relating to positive energy or temu version rct
@@Br0ku either way anti magic is already shown to be affective against negative mana
@@IrumaA-y8j perfect use of temu in conversation
Yeah. It's not some sort of busted omni-neg that deletes absolutely all magic. It's basically just a form of magic that has an elemental advantage over every other form of magic.
Ppl think that everyone with that kind of power is touma from toaru series 😂😂😂😂
@@joaocarlosii2188 And then proceed to wank Touma from ToAru series
@@joaocarlosii2188 Seriously you have no idea how much people overplay Imagine Breaker's negation abilities
@@thomasthecoolkid7228 idk much about it cuz im anime only, ik he fights outer gods but idk IF he scales tô what he negates
@@joaocarlosii2188 Yeah, but some people (like OthinusTheGod) claim it negates absolutely anything that's even the slightest bit supernatural, even though:
- Phases themselves are supernatural and he's not wiping out phases by just existing in them (IB is passive)
- Supernatural things with mundane components don't get entirely negated (like with samurai saint girl and her wires)
- Touma is consistently shown to struggle with supernatural phenomena that regenerate (even though the regen is also supernatural and should thus also be negated by their logic)
- There's consistently a limit to how powerful something can be until it isn't negateable (like with Fiamma's Holy Right)
Its a shame people ignore Asta's physical strength, the guy's moving at high speads, even though his swords are dull doesn't mean getting hit with a sword at m2 speeds isn't gonna hurt.
But imagine if Asta gets his swords sharpened
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I am, thank you. And if you are reading this, I hope you're having a good day as well.
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I feel like a lot of people seem to forget is that anti-magic while strong is not an automatic win, button for Asta. It is very powerful, but Asta has to use with his own strength and his own tactics to win battles. And I feel like that makes them very interesting for verse debates as well.
For example, Recently, I got into discussion with one of my friends who would win the fight between the black bulls and theand fairy tail guild from fairy tail. And honestly, we thought the fight could go either way. Simply because fairy tails magic works similarly but differently than black clovers, along with all the other magic and rules to put in place. So while anti-magic could help, asta would definitely have to be clever with it. And that also opens up a kind of questions regarding both series. Whould grays demon slayer magic be a counter to Asta because anti-magic comes from libi? Could his magic effect fairy tails curse power system, even though it’s different from magic? What would the anti-magic work and not work on? Those are questions I found super interesting when talking about Asta. But a lot of people just kind of disregard him just because he has anti-magic which I think is unfair.
People are idiots and stubbornly refuse to acknowledge a series that keeps to it lore and machines of how the world works and unlike how some series doesn’t keep to theirs.
Remember that time Asta had a curse in him that prevented healing magic from working on him, and instead of just stabbing himself in the arm bones with his anti-magic sword to un-curse himself and then let a healer heal *that* wound along with everything else, they had to go on some quest or something to find a cure?
It's been very long time since I watched Black Clover but I remember something like that happening.
Yeah he was depressed but hid it from the black bulls but when they found out they resolved to doing whatever they could to heal him even vanessa surrendering to the witch queen for asta but asta was not okay with that
While this did happen, the curse put on him wasn’t normal magic it was hex magic from demon power I think, so he couldn’t slash himself to get rid of it like he has been seen doing through the series.
@@jacobbartlett331 so anti-magic works against all magic except for when it doesn't?
@@kitsun9375 I think it could be two possibilities
1. The magic used against asta was devil magic, so his own magic couldn’t cancel it outright (as seen with the word devil and the other spade magicians)
OR
2. The hex magic used against him was far stronger than the anti magic capabilities he had at the time, so he couldn’t cancel it.
As shown in this video, there are multiple times when asta’s anit-magic has been overpowered by others because he wasn’t strong enough, so I think it’s definitely possible it could be the second one.
@kitsun9375 je didn't have his cause and effect sword
randomly spoiling JJK in a Black Clover explanation video is deeply hilarious. JJK gotta be the most spoiled manga of all time
If this is what you’re spoiled out off. Then were you really reading Jkk?
@@CryinOni it being a spoiler =/= it was spoiled for me personally
@@CryinOniyknow anime only people exist
ikr its so annoying, not even a warning
@@sqeekeezthehamster1116 I'm noticing a trend with the manga video essayists these days, they spoil things randomly and without warning under the assumption everyone is caught up on everything they themselves have read.
Asta's Anti magic is chaos. If magic binds the energy, anti magic breaks the bind. Like entropy. Also got a question is Yami's Death Thrust a Zetten technique?
@@zigzagto644 don’t think it’s Zetten.
Nah Yami didn't learn Zetten but imagine if he did though, that would be crazy
@@samuelfoster7790 bruh will be clapping lucifero so hard
So, Like The Saga of Recluces' Order and Chaos magic?
I dont think people downplay asta, they're just saying he'd be less effective against more physical fighters, especially if those fighters scale relative to him, like luffy or naruto
@@Goldyboi2001 oh they certainly do. As someone deeply engrained into this community since 2018 it happens all the time.z
@Br0ku yeah I definitely see that
Brother came up like Ace Attorney to defeat the allegations against Asta. This was a fun watch, my dude.
Yeah that makes sense basically inorder to nullify magic asta needs to be stronger than the caster or have equal scaling to him or her .. Good video 😁👍
Asta's sheer fucking will is what can make anti magic work. Without his monstrous strength, he wouldn't even be able to lift his swords, let alone wield as weapons. I get the distinct feeling that even if someone uses enhancement magic to be stronger, it wouldn't work because of the weapons' mana cancelling properties. Only Asta can wield them because in a world of wingardium leviosa, he's the only one who lifts
How can you say that Asta running up a static monster and eating it makes his vase form stronger than the combined magic of the whole brigade? He ate a plant, he didn't stop a nuclear bomb with his teeth.
Besides that the video is pretty good explaining what anti magic his and how it boosted him.
I would have added that anti magic make him fly towards another power source at great speed as another feat to it not just being the power to negate but a physical force
That plant has the combined Magic power of Yami and basically half the Black Bulls, Yami himself was SCARED of it.
@@maryboyd8126 Couldn't it just mean that No Magic Power Yami is weaker than Base Asta? But yeah, he stronger than them enough to beat them all in a fight at the same time
Tbh I just think anti-matter isn’t written v well. It’s not terrible or anything and I don’t hate black clover but I just feel like anti-magic is inconsistent capabilities and it’s essentially just like magnetism. Anti magic is literally just magic. It’s just negatively charged magic. So you have 100 units of wind magic, you need 100 units of anti magic to cancel it out. The best way to think about it is that every magic has a specific effect and anti magic (still being magic) has the specific effect of cancelling other magics. But it is still just magic. We think of it as anti-matter in quantum physics but it’s not that at all. It’s just an another type of regular magic.
sounds like its written pretty consistently, then.
@@Br0ku 💀
4:50 LOVE IT. Yami and asta is always peak
W video broku keep up the good work
@@MiguelTier100Debater85 Hank you!
@@Br0ku np
@@Br0ku erm u mean thank u🤓
The people that have these notions about Anti-Magic, must think Black Clover is an Isekai or something!?
My notifications didn't tell me u uploaded 😤
I have a theory that Asta can use Magic. the 5 Leaf is Licht's Grimoire and we can see that it still has his Sword Magic from when he fought Asta and could pull out "purified" versions of all his swords and Liebe supplies his body with this Anti Energy. He's able to "cast" spells that can be looked at as cantrips (0 effort spells) like storing his sabers in the book, and after bonding with Liebe (only at 50%) he's able to "cast" spells using the swords like the ranged slashes and riding his main sword like a boogieboard. and when he achieves 100% unity with Liebe he can make his swords massive and levitate them like Licht
He cannot DIRECTLY use magic, and him "storing his saber in the book" is him literally just using his Grimoire, Anti-Magic is basically just Negative Magic.
@@maryboyd8126 yah he's never gonna cast "Origin Flash Barrage", but I think he could have Asta has a moveset if it wasn't for being born without magic
Asta would BLITZ deku.
Asta and ichigo are the two MC in these vs battle videos who get shammed on.
Broku came back and he came back with fire 🔥
I hate how people say asta cant fight anyone who doesnt have magic because he has anti magic when he literally has a giant fucking sword and is mftl
a lot of these power scaling discussion/argument videos wouldn't have been made if anime fans simply didn't ignore the fact that characters TRAIN and IMPROVE over time and that's why they become better. doesn't matter how OP someone is, if he doesn't train then he and his power are useless. if Naruto didn't learn about chakra natures then he would never have been able to learn how to apply wind nature to rasengan and do the same thing with other chakra natures during the war arc
Wait hold on , I thought asto's anti magic came from the demon that was sealed inside of him and the swords were meant to help focus and control it and to be used as weapon
@@CarlTilton-i8m yeah? But eventually he can take the anti-magic directly without the swords
Asta’s “blades” are completely blunt as said by a few characters, the anti-magic can’t improve nothing so they just go with whatever asta thinks as blades and he thinks they’re just bludgeoning weapons. The boy deals nothing but blunt force trauma onto anyone he fights, that his absolute unshakable will to never give up no matter the obstacles in his way. (Plus the boy is jacked to hell and back)
I still believed in your previous theory that Asta's Anti Magic is just Licht's Sword Magic in Negative Mana.
Great video!
1:53 you do NOT wanna collab with that guy🙏🙏🙏
Can you explain why? I don't know who surfbone is, is this another TH-camer doing illegal stuff?
who
@@RowbotMaster yeah he was exposed for reasons similar to minecraft youtubers if you get what I mean
He's also a horrible scaler🙏🙏🙏
@@yardite7777 lemme check it
Well one of anti magic weakness is that if you have a huge amount of magical power you can’t negate or erase all of it. It happened with Conrad and it happened with dark elf Patri
We also know that anti magic is useless when opponent does physical attacks but Asta recently learn how to deal with opponents like that from his battle with Lucifero.
Basically anti magic is pretty much a source of energy where Asta can do everything a mage can do but he does it in his own way or the complete opposite of what mages do.
Agreed, matchups are still a problem for Asta, but the gap is closing in his own verse because of his constantly improving abilities. He still struggles against being physically overwhelmed because he can’t negate physical damage. Still struggles losing energy clashes because there’s a limit to what he can negate. Still struggles to fighting styles like the dancing sword technique (not an amazing example since he learned it and countered it, but in a situation he can’t do that like against characters with unpredictable patterns or disorienting fighting styles). It’s just that in his own verse he’s undoubtedly top 3 at the moment, so arguing matchup isn’t exactly applicable.
Anti-Magic is Magic. I always laughed when I heard saying he has NO magic.😂😂😂
It isn’t. Magic is derived from mana. That’s why no one can sense any magic in the 5 leaf clover grimoire, and they can’t sense Asta with mana sensing. Anti magic is its own thing. Derived from anti mana/negative mana.
They are called Sorcerers in JJk.
Basically a vessel that holds water vs one that pours it out. An empty cup can't hold the water of a gallon jug.
Here's one thing tho Asta cannot have a bad match up. Every matchup is a good oen because his powers are not elemental based like most of the cast or at least based on one thing, thereby allowing someone with a natural counter to have an advantage. Like Luffy and Enel because rubber nullifies electricity. It basically boils down to increase output and hit harder.
Magic that creates actual physical objects like the devil who made swords is one of his weaknesses
It’s the same thing for spatial, time, gravity, star, curse warding, and thread magic. Probably more. None of these magics have counters to them, and it comes down to being faster, stronger, more skilled. Doesn’t make antimagic overpowered, it just means there isn’t an elemental advantage for anyone, or disadvantage. It just means you either have to be stronger, quicker, or more skilled. Thus why Asta was weaker than ichika and the iron magic user in the land of the sun. Thus why Asta wasn’t able to land an attack on the sword dancer. It isn’t just about overpowering him. Same with everyone else.
So some things
Asta is incredibly strong on his on, he is swinging around huge chunks of metal effectively and has some level of swordsmanship
He can only reflect mana of he can scale to it, otherwise he’ll probably cut it
Due to the rule of verse equalization, and supernatural power system would be equivalent to mana
While he isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed, he is by no means dumb as he was able to figure out how to get anti magic circulating in his body by remembering past experiences
Anti magic is a debuff, astas strength does enough damage to ko his enemies, its literally like an emp that needs phyical touch, it is an aura, its also a levelling thing, thats why him and Yami arent close because Yami's magic needs him to be physically optimal. Also physics comes into play unless he is using the sword that sucks up magic he has to deal with the g force of his enemies attacks. Example Lazer beam gets shot at asta, he has block it and brace for the impact that comes with the lazer, if he has the dweller or destroyer, (i confuse them) he can just absorb the lazer as its making contact or within affinity pull range. Potency is definitely a factor
The best way I ever saw to describe anti-magic is to always be fighting fire with water. You do have a clear upper hand but if the diference is too big it won’t work
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Remember when asta went ftl+ by just jumping
he definitely is superhuman
THE GOAT IS BACK!!!!
@@Tilted_Asta ayo
There are many Naruto TH-camrs that cover the basic rules of its power system, maybe you should do that for Black Clover? Like for example: what is mana? What is mana zone? What if a mage stacks ultimage magic and true magic? Etc. But if you want to focus on the narrative aspect then I don't mind, just a friendly suggestion.
I always viewed anti-magic as an equal to dark matter. What we know of dark matter is that it exists, has weight, but it it contacts matter itself of equal mass both are destroyed.
You're thinking of antimatter
Anti-magic can also destroy physical things like rocks, steel, among others, so it may not nullify an individuality or chakra, but it will still cause physical damage.
The simplest way I can describe anti magic is it's like a potent eraser. Yes this eraser can complety remove anything you write on a piece of paper, but it can still run out, it's not an infinite eraser. If tasked to eraser a whole book, one or two eraser wouldn't be enough. And you will need a big stamina to do so.
Eraser, Anti Magic
Writing on the paper, Magic
Stamina, Strength.
I didn't read all of Black Clover after learning more and more about the anti-magic not because it's general misconception it's just the presentation is repetitive in the beginning, it's definitely commendable that he can withstand attacks without the anti-magic stuff going on, but compared it to Mashle, for some reason Because Mashle is presented as Comedy I could let alot of his "bullshit" slide meanwhile Black Clover is presented to be taken seriously, He's just given the strongest ability (against almost everything) so i couldn't really take his "training to be the best" attitude it started feeling like Naruto, or the easy shonen trope that i've seen alot. The problem is that Now it's written backwards, instead of the Protagonist working to figure out the weakness of their opponent now the writer has to find a way to justify why certain attacks/magic against "anti-magic" as a concept, and it get's really dumb/stupid at some point that i couldn't take it seriously anymore. And I'll be honest i still haven't wrap my head around the idea of Anti-magic but because of this video i might actually pick it up again soon/
Will u make a vid on the origins or what anti magic really is
@@THELASTMESSAGE1 100%
People think that anti-magic will be weak everywhere else because they don’t read the parts of the story where the black energy it shoots out does “physical” damage to what it hits even if it’s not magical. Asta would be nowhere near weak in the other verses.
So to convert it to math, base anti-magic is not a times zero power, it's a subtraction power
That's the thing about making comparisons between power systems in manga. IMO it would be better to compare Asta and his magic system to other, similar ones, like Meliodas' and NNT, or Natsu's and Fairy tail. IIRC they already have crossovers, but I might be wrong.
It's like he's beating people with stick.
Anti magic is more of a curse than a gift, asta took that curse suffered countless times because of it's drawbacks and weaknesses in a world with no one to teach him how to use his powers properly and through many battles and hardships he made it his own, anti-magic isn't an overpowered ability but asta made it overpowered himself
Anti-Magic itself has only one downside, it slowly chews away at your Mana, Asta doesn't have Mana, other than that there are no other downsides.
@@maryboyd8126 I'll pretend like I didn't read this, I'm sorry bro but you're absolutely wrong
@@sofyanjamal4980 name it's other downsides, I'll wait... Oh wait, you can't
theres literally zero downside to this what the fuck are you on about
JJK cursed energy = anti magic
Can we also talk about the weight of Asta’s swords. The guy is swinging around massive plates of steel and no one talks about it.
He trained with the Demon Dweller Sword gripped with his teeth when his arms were broken, and even that was a whole year ago from where the manga is now.
Wow how did i forget about zetten it’s been so long 😅
The way i see it
Anti magic isn’t multiplying by -1 instead its an aditon of -1
As in asta needs compable output to nullify
For example
If enemy has 10 magic
And asta -1
What happens is not the magic becomes-10
Rather 9
I like the idea that the amount of anti magic anergy Asta produces has to be relevant to the spell he is cancelling out for it to work
Really, balances a would be overpowered move
Still a sword, deku! Get sliced
To me it’s like everyone uses magic which is like positive numbers. While Asta has access to a large and growing amount of negative numbers. As long as he uses the same amount of anti magic that other people use normal magic they will cancel out, or simply weaken a spell. That’s why he has to scale to the opponent. He’s still using a magic source, it just has the opposite effect of normal magic.
He can over power enemies and I'm hella sure anti magic can still harm u physically so it doesnt just have to countering also hes good swordsmanship
When the power grows stronger with the character throughout the story then you know you’re in for some good shit!
The way I see anti-magic is basically the magic equivalent of anti-matter.
It's an opposite force. It nullify's magic because they're opposites, but doing that isn't it's only feature. Just a noteable one in-context.
A world where Anti-magic was the main force, would likely see normal magic act similarly to how anti-magic acts in the show's world. It just so happens that sources of anti-magic tend to be extremely powerful and so often look like they're outright countering, when really they're canceling eachother out, but the anti-magic user is just outputing more power.
Do you think you could do a Vs Battles debate of other Magicians like what if Dr Strange, Dr Fate, Zatanna, Prep Time Dr Doom, John Constantine, and The Scarlet Witch were to be in the BCverse.🙏🙏🙏
5:30 I would say it’s only in reference to asta reflecting the magic and not erasing it since we see asta passively erase magic before and also asta didn’t reflect 100% of those 5 elves attacks attack the end he helped zoro reflect the attack when zoro’s magic was starting to break and couldn’t fully reflect the times 4 amped attack but he did reflect the 2x amp attack back at zoro
@@igneellinde4123 we actually don’t really know that. He did reflect the 4x combo spell, it was just not the beam, but the array holding the beam. It was Zora’s array that struggled to hold it. Both Asta and Zora believed Asta could reflect the 4x spell. So that’s enough evidence to put Asta on that level.
@@Br0ku but we do know that. In ch 153 asta was reflected the 2x attack back at zoro and then zoro would amp it by 2x again and send it back at the Elves but he couldn’t release it so asta helped him that doesn’t mean he can withstand the full force of the 4x attack because we know zoro would also be trying to release it he just needed the extra push 🤷🏾♂️
@@igneellinde4123 bro u aint cooking zoras spell couldn't withstand it not asta
@@IrumaA-y8j it couldn’t send out the attack that doesn’t mean it stoped trying to send it out nor does it prove that asta sent the full force of the attack back at the elves I see it as a joint struggle if asta was 4x stronger then him in base why doesn’t he just 1 shot them
@@igneellinde4123 it was a joint struggle but asta did most of the work
Imma come back to this after ik caught up on black clover gimme a few days
I cant wait for 171 😢
@Broku do you know about touma kamijo from A certain magical index
1:20 in, um...literally EVERY thing i've every seen that pits deku against asta has ALWAYS gone in astas favor because "devil mode"....there's like 300+ videos that got real popular where this was the case
90% of them also almost completely ignore most of dekus quirks and focus on only blackwhip and the strength buff of ofa
you're also going into this video with a bunch of examples of anti magic not working because asta was out-maneuvered or straight up outclassed, not because anti magic "doesn't work" against his opponents
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@@kylexy2416 💪🏻💪🏻
I think anti-magic is akin to antimatter in the real world. Antimatter is basically regular matter but an opposite charge. This would explain why anti-magic acts exactly like magic in term of ability. Also would in-line with the Liebe being a supreme devil theory because most of them have like a universal law power(time, gravity, space). This would also explain the black bulls using anti-magic. Antimatter is essentially regular matter too. You can have antimatter water and it will act like regular water. In the same sense you can have anti-magic act like regular magic.
Like quirks and cursed energy aren't just magic by different names.
People don't realize Asta only seems op because of how hard he works. Asta has to learn Antimagic which is a complete novelty which is why after going to the land of the sun, his combined experience if I'm being honest in use is comparable to Elf arch Yuno. If Antimagic was not a new thing and he didn't need to reinvent the wheel learning equivalents of magic that are taught to children in the verse then he'd be even more op. It really feels like he's still learning the basics and the overall potential of anti magic has yet to be truly explored
Something to point out about black clover is that no ones really ever just carried by their magic ability or one spell. Even having atremendous amount if magic doesmt mean anything if you dont work towards improvign yourself. Another thing i see peolle want to complain is that only asta can damage this person and thats fine because ooutside of a few characters hes not able to solo any big enemy he needs help and black clover thrives in team up strategies.
Nullification is just the easy way out for the enemy. If they don't get nullified they're going to catch Asta's sword to the mouth.
this just confirms my the fact that Tabata can't write a Power System to save his life, no wonder he gave up from WSJ n defaulted to Monthly slop in another magazine, it suits his skill level
@@jjcandelabra6164 lmao you’re not very smart
You also have to mention asta doesn’t have anti-magic he wields swords that have antimagic without the swords asta is just a physically powerful character who sadly wouldn’t truly stand a chance against most other characters
@@fv_deadshot_00yt84 not true
@@Br0ku I’ve just watched the anime haven’t read the manga but asta legit just has no magic without his grimuar and the reason he’s the only one who can use the antimagic swords is because in anyone else’s hands they drain mana to fast
@@fv_deadshot_00yt84 and I’ve read/watched it more times than you and showed blatant feats of him without anti-magic cliffing most of the characters in the verse z
@@Br0ku yeah but without the anti-magic swords he would’ve never made it into the magic nights
@@fv_deadshot_00yt84 that’s also probably incorrect.
I get what u mean asta basically has negative magic power so just randomly quantifying it if we say he has -100 magic and tries to absorb an attack with 1000 magic it would only weaken the spell by 10% wmand that's assuming he puts his full strength in a single atrack 7:16
domain amplification isnt negation
its absorbtion , the empty barrier literaly absorbs the technique it comes in contact with , it doesnt nullify and its pretty slow if its low output + even at high output/mastery it wont completly bypass techniques with high output it'll just slowly go through em
also domain amplification literaly either stops or freezes your own technique while using it
also imo anti-magic wouldnt nullify cursed energy since they are sort of similar
cursed energy is by nature negative or on the negative spectrum of energy in jjk
same as anti-magic cursed energy can nullify positive energy but unlike in black clover positive energy actually has an edge in nullifying cursed energy
its like if magic was stronger than anti magic and could nullify anti-magic sort of
still
i think my point stands
due to the nature of both anti-magic and cursed energy , cursed energy wouldnt be nullified , but positive energy(whats used in reversals and RCT) could potentially be
@@justrad7637 it’s actually stated in the series/databook as neutralize/negate. It can be seen as a form of absorbtion as it’s transferring the technique into your empty domain. So… functionally the same thing as Asta’s anti-magic in practice, minus the cancellation of your own CT
@@justrad7637 negative energy exists in BC and Asta has nullified it so, no, he would be able to nullify it.
@@Br0ku it neutralizes through absorbtion , jogo literaly explains it , while its functionally the same , using it and the technicallity of them are different
@@Br0ku no asta didnt nullify anti-magic
cursed energy isnt just some rando power source , its a mana/chakra/ki system
and the base is negative , just like anti-magic is just on the negative spectrum of magic
Jacob’s ladder is a technique that utilizes negative energy to neutralize CT. ISOH is imbued with negative energy and a CT that forcibly shuts off CT. Same with black rope. It’s just asta’s ability. It isn’t the negative energy/mana that negates mana, it’s specifically anti magic. When asta uses his grimoire, he’s activating his antimagic, and imbuing it into everything. His swords, his body, and the spells he uses. Just like a CT can be imbued into a barrier, the body, a cursed tool, etc. The premise behind negative mana = negative energy means negative mana can’t negate negative energy is true, but the premise behind antimagic = negative energy is false on premise. That’s like saying that CT = negative mana so amping your negative mana enough to where it’s more powerful than the output of the CT would negate its effect, so whoever uses negative mana can negate the effect of ISOH by just reinforcing their body with enough negative mana.
Let's not forget that he's using his non dominant hand
I've since videos of natsu vs Astra and poeple saying he's anti magic will cancel it out i now believe natsu overwhelming magical out is too much for astra if we assume anti magic/mana will work the same on ethernano
I don't get it, maybe I am wrong, but isn't anti magic just magic, but inverse its just like how a numbers holds value and then the inverse negative number also holds value and together they negate each other its basic physics unless it isn't actually the inverse of magic I mean he can litterly fly on it meaning he can apply it like any other magic
it is diffeenergy system and for him to fly he uses the swords own abilities
it is stated by gala that anti magic works similar to magic but isn't magic
So they think Anti-Magic was Imagine Break?
Broku
Pllsssssss
Make a magic knight top 10 ranking
@@olamideoyedele6989 hmmm
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People saying asta doesnt have AP or DC are straight up Weird. Brother almost gets straight up obliterated by Licht (or was that Patry? Can't remember)
Those swords are just Giving asta a Power because he has no magic lol Why are people downplay Black Clover brother? 🤡
Anti-magic is just the equivalent of “super effective” damage on Pokemon.
1:50 my biggest problem with the idea that "anti-magic merely negates magic" is the fact that it's simply not true. In a real-world example, anti-matter doesn't merely negate matter. On it's own, it acts just like normal matter. In a universe in which normal matter doesn't exist, anti-matter would be just as powerful as normal matter. Therefore, in verses where normal magic doesn't exist (mha, jjk, etc) it would function like normal magic. It is just as powerful as normal magic.
edit: you go on to explain this in a different way right after I finish commenting with it being "anti-energy slashes" lol
i always saw the anti magic like math
Normal magic +1
anti magic -1
Normal spell 5 ) anti magic -5 = 0
honestly i prefer the idea that asta trains to draw out more anti magic like how goku trained to get mastered ssjb than making his anti magic stronger
Yeah . He kept breaking his limits and trapped more into anti magic power. Now he’s reached his fulll potential. Just like how Goku taps into UI and refines it to reach its true potential.
Asta with no anti magic is beating the word devil is just different levels of wrong lmao.
Hey, can I ask you something? What's the likelihood of Asta being one of Licht's and Tetia's reincarnated or a descendant of their surviving son?
Guess you're doing the sloppy toppy special today huh...
To be fair, you can't say people are biased against him because 95% of your channel is black clover content.
@@deuanteharrison3471 that’s one of the most illogical things I’ve ever read
@Br0ku It's not he a Black clover fan. He's making a case for why Asta is stronger than people think, just like the people he claims are downplaying Asta are making cases about how the people they believe well win are stronger than Asta
@@deuanteharrison3471 not really true when you have people saying “asta solos fiction” all because he has a nullifying power
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Making a case for why someone is stronger than others give them credit for doesn’t make the case incorrect or biased, just like making a case against it. Being a person that makes mostly BC content doesn’t make his opinion skewed anymore than someone who mostly makes JJK content making an argument for or against JJK characters. Especially if it uses the source material where the powers are explained to back it up. There’s bias for and against certain series’, but you can’t argue that an argument using the actual statements and showings is bias. You can however argue that arguments not using statements and showings is bias. Like if he said Asta was able to cancel anything when we know from the source material that there are conditions to needing to cancel energy systems like mana. Or if you hear an argument that Asta doesn’t have AP because he just cancels out the magic and mana of the opponent when again we know that isn’t the case because of the conditions behind his powers. It’s all stated in the video. Though his content may be biased towards BC because he’s a BC fan, it doesn’t make the information, scaling, or statements in the story biased.
@@Br0kuyou literally made a video about how death battles are biased against the character who won. That's illogical. Asta won you still complained. That's sad
Broku
Is partial du>True Du
As a form not asta himself
Because in the first appearance asta comments "Denser, stronger" after Narrator explains it
I think it’s stronger at the location it’s denser in. Like if he uses partial DU on his arm, then his slashing attacks should do more damage, but he’s likely slower than true DU. It also lasts twice as long if I’m not mistaken.
While i agree that Asta does have attack potency, i disagree that he would nullify other verses' abilities. why? 2:33 because of exactly what you said here. It's an entire energy system. It's also dishonest to assume that his antimagic would nullify any ability outside his verse especially if it's not Magic.
There's no way or reason to believe that his power would interact with another form if energy that isn't magic from another verse
@@NEONlights-lb8um this video wasn’t about anti-magic working on other verses, just Asta’s AP in general.
And I get what you are saying, but I disagree. Asta has already negated at least three different kind of energies with anti-magic. Magic power, Negative Mana, and Juryoku. The logic is if he can already negate 3 different kinds do energies, one from a different universe, than why not nullify similar energies in other verses.
And while I disagree with your position, I’m not abhorrently against it, as long as you remain consistent with other verses and their powers too. For example, the prime function of domain expansions would become useless against other series and domain amplifications as well.
@Br0ku
I also agree with you. I think some domain expansions would work outside of JJK, while some would be totally useless.
For example, unlimited void which targets every living thing inside the domain regardless of those things having cursed energy and Sukuna's malevolent shrine which also targets everything (living or non living) regardless of whether they have cursed energy or not would definitely work outside of JJK but majority of other domains like Naoya's wouldn't.
I think domain amplification and simple domain would be completely useless outside of JJK.
My reason is that every verses' power systems operate under different rules.
For example: in bleach, you can't hurt your opponent with your abilities unless your spiritual pressure is in the same ball park as the opponent, but in Naruto, even a genin can actually hurt a kage level character. Even a kunai can hurt an Otsutsuki (beings at the pinnacle of the Naruto verse).
So, if you put a bleach character vs a naruto character and apply these rules of their verses, the only way to favor Naruto characters would be to throw away all the rules of the bleach verse which is what a ton of powerscalers do.
I think Asta would nullify energy types outside black clover if these energies work similarly to magic in black clover.
It's just a complicated debate altogether. For instance; could a quincy absorb Asta's anti magic?
Or which would cancel the other? Asta's anti magic techniques or the truth seeking orbs from Naruto? 🤔
@@NEONlights-lb8um goos domain tracks people of their c.e only sukuna work in crossovers and no v.e
@@NEONlights-lb8um
Gojo’s DE doesn’t target everything indiscriminately. The only domain ever stated to be able to target “objects” (things without cursed energy) is Sukuna’s. Characters without CE in verse even have to give consent to entering domains, explained during the Naoya fight. Same would apply for Gojo’s domain.
I don’t see any reason why people don’t think asta wouldn’t slice through infinity
Bro doesn’t even need antimagic to do it. Demon slasher can cut through anything that Asta chooses to cut through. He can avoid infinity, and Gojo all together just to cut his CE if he wanted to like he did against sister Lily and Rosinante.
0:00 anti magic can also reflect other magic