Watch this before you buy a home standby generator. Four models tested to the limit.

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  • @johnstraley9057
    @johnstraley9057 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Good comparison of electrical performance. In the final analysis in choosing a brand, the remaining factors in play include reliability, the dealers quality level of service and availability of replacement parts.

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Very well put!

  • @sickwhip
    @sickwhip 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    Best video ever. 2 minutes. Didn't have to sit through 20 minutes of babble to get the information. Bravo.

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @jeffbeaman9386
    @jeffbeaman9386 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great video guys! short concise, and it's clear you brought out the test equipment to make it more objective. Thanks for sharing!

  • @p.bateman7033
    @p.bateman7033 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Comparisons on warranty, parts availability, etc. is important to include.

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Excellent points. How close is the servicing dealer. Do they have 24hr support. All very good points. !

  • @jeff-cw7gy
    @jeff-cw7gy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you for this test video. Our group was waiting for someone to to a test like this since the older one was a head to head with only Generac vs Kolher years ago running live.

  • @solarandwindinsouthtexasda1473
    @solarandwindinsouthtexasda1473 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I own a Generac. My Generac is 28 years old. Never miss a beat.

    • @MRSTEEL15
      @MRSTEEL15 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good to know... TY

    • @johnnyhotrod
      @johnnyhotrod ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That was before they got taken over by a large corporation and quality control suffered.Hold on to that bad boy

    • @kirkstinson7316
      @kirkstinson7316 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@johnnyhotrod
      You mean back when they were vertical shaft, belt driven units? With circuit breakers that were a few amps higher than the generator was rated at?

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@johnnyhotrodexactly.

  • @badlands555
    @badlands555 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I just had a 14KW Kohler installed. Hoping it will be a good unit. For me one of the items was the Kohler engine. I think they are good engines.

    • @carapungo
      @carapungo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      will this unit power up your AC unit?, is it a 4 ton?, is it loud?

  • @TheDieselndust
    @TheDieselndust 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This message was brought to you by Kohler. 😂

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There was a dealer for each brand.

    • @dj3114
      @dj3114 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You must have a Generac.

    • @wgyoungblood
      @wgyoungblood หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thomasw4032 but Ironically Critical Power Systems is a Kohler dealer lol.

    • @KB-ke3fi
      @KB-ke3fi 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@thomasw4032 looked like a Kohler ad to me. I had 2 friends during the hurricane and their Kohlers blew up...the motors fried, and it took the maint co 6 weeks to fix it.

  • @beagleboss1334
    @beagleboss1334 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Does that say you put a 100% pre load on the KOHLER and it still started the 5-ton AC? What was the Locked rotor amps on that ac unit?

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I don't believe it said. It was a Movincool office pro 60 .

    • @Silverfun11
      @Silverfun11 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thomasw4032 was that last test still a 100% preload and the Kolher started it? 🤔

  • @beagleboss1334
    @beagleboss1334 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Do you guys have more footage from this with the voltage/frequency/rpm readings from the load/start tests? It’d be great just to have this sampler video and then a full length one with all the tests for us guys who care to sit through 3hrs of testing 😂

    • @jeff-cw7gy
      @jeff-cw7gy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I would sit through all three hours of video as well!

    • @criticalcritic2346
      @criticalcritic2346 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I would sit through 3 hours of this as well!

    • @d4hoppy
      @d4hoppy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Add me to this group!

    • @d4hoppy
      @d4hoppy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      As pretty neat y’all have the ole 570 area code I moved to South Carolina from Wilkes barre and was ah I know that area code!

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      We have 30 plus hours of video.

  • @markavery2888
    @markavery2888 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Why are the scales different on the voltage and current charts?
    We also need to see the capture time used for the meters. It looks like they are set different.

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The meter automatically adjust the range to use the least amount of space on the scale. The Briggs & Stratton unit when applied load you could see that the unit dropped voltage as a way of saving the horsepower. This is a way of seeing the algorithm on how the controller is set up.

  • @artguti1551
    @artguti1551 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I think this test should be done in Phoenix AZ during the middle of Summer. That's a true TEST!

    • @KB-ke3fi
      @KB-ke3fi 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Or a hurricane in Houston with power lines wrapped around 110 foot pine trees for 10 days....and cars too.

  • @TexasNightRider
    @TexasNightRider 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Helpful Video. Thank You.

  • @frankb518
    @frankb518 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I get doing the comparison, But the isn't the Size variety a little " UNTELLING ?" Just because A 26kw has A 4 cylinder car engine basically and A 20 KW Is A smaller engine, 2 cylinder. so, why not put the Briggs 25-26kw up against the other 26 ?

    • @kirkstinson7316
      @kirkstinson7316 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Uhm. No. These are all air cooled units. All have a two cylinder engine

    • @frankb518
      @frankb518 ปีที่แล้ว

      Got it. Thanks for Clarifying!@@kirkstinson7316

  • @Hoosier_Life
    @Hoosier_Life ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why didn’t you use a GENERAC 26kw for the test since they came out with that size first

    • @josephlacara1283
      @josephlacara1283 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Actually no. Briggs and Stratton came out with a 26 kw first and it took Generac over a year to catch up and it still makes less power.

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      This wasn't a maximum power test. It was only to see how they performed according to their data plate.

    • @wgyoungblood
      @wgyoungblood หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thomasw4032 You literally say in your video at the 15 second mark you got the largest air cooled generators offered........ 26kw Generac was out long before this video, and interestingly enough, the Generac 26kw design is different than the 20,22, and 24 kw units.

  • @hellblast911
    @hellblast911 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great job - y'all didn't happen to compare noise levels did you?

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No, sorry. I do think the Cummins was the quietest. it has more sheet metal around it.

  • @parkerholden7140
    @parkerholden7140 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Anyone buying a small generator should understand that if the generator is running at or near full load the system may not have the capacity to blow a fuse or trip a breaker in event of a fault. A solution to to shut the generator down under such conditions but most are not designed to do so. Buyer beware!

  • @TheBurnsStuff
    @TheBurnsStuff 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ahhh!! Just want I was looking for. I'm up in Moscow!

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hello! 30 mins from us.

  • @boby115
    @boby115 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I agree with your findings with the Kohler but what’s with the propane tank inside the building ? (Not very smart. A little training seminar with the fire marshal may help).

    • @jochimbenschneider1915
      @jochimbenschneider1915 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Oh please. Get over it.

    • @boby115
      @boby115 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jochimbenschneider1915 , Ran over 10,000 emergency calls for a gas utility in my career and Believe me as human beings we learn more from our mistakes and then we do our successes. I will say one thing, trial attorneys love your attitude when we’re all sitting at the deposition table .

    • @jochimbenschneider1915
      @jochimbenschneider1915 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@boby115 you are crazy. And I can see why now. We don’t need a government nanny state like you seem to desire. America is a mess today and a lot of people store propane tanks in their garage. There’s nothing wrong with this. I hate government, and I want it out of my life.

    • @boby115
      @boby115 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jochimbenschneider1915 , It does have to deal with government a little bit but it’s mainly insurance. Good luck on your hate for the government, definitely a lot of problems to solve there .

    • @jochimbenschneider1915
      @jochimbenschneider1915 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@boby115 ok democrat commie tot.

  • @gibblespascack1418
    @gibblespascack1418 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Who needs 20-24 KW of power for backing up their home in an emergency? The average house uses 15 KW per day. Most can get by with 10 KW for most of their house needs. The only ones that need a huge generator are houses with a well pump, everything electric and a ground source heat pump and that is if there is no priority load start up circuits. But it is a good video.

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      We have many homes with 5 ton heat pumps. Each unit has 15kW of aux heat. Some houses require 60kw generators once an electric oven and water heater are added in.

    • @gibblespascack1418
      @gibblespascack1418 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I get it, full on back up power, so that no one is inconvenienced during a community emergency. It just seems odd to me. We are going to try to get by with 3600W because it is an emergency, right. However, for my mom, she has electric everything, we installed a 14 kw unit which keeps everything going for her. We are thinking of putting in a ground sourced heat pump for her farm house which will change things. 4 tons should be fine for the 1850 Farmhouse and we will probably need a power management switch to make it work.@@thomasw4032

  • @TheJmw116
    @TheJmw116 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Where's the rest of the video? You only show voltage on the charts.... You need to show HZ and THD with load applied.

  • @XxsoonerbornxX
    @XxsoonerbornxX ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The kohler is way too expensive and they are hell to work with when it comes to warranty work. The generac is the best one ot buy bar none.

    • @kirkstinson7316
      @kirkstinson7316 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      As a field mechanic for 30 years, working on all brands, I'll tell you your statement is WAY off. The Kohler is only a few hundred more then Generac. And Kohler's have beat Generac in test after test.

    • @ChubbsyUbbsey
      @ChubbsyUbbsey 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Generac isn't even close to the best. Both Kohler and Cummins are far superior.

  • @xfirehurican
    @xfirehurican 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Done! Getting a Kohler. Tks!

  • @Ark-Angel44
    @Ark-Angel44 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Super light on detail. Hmmm.

  • @machaf
    @machaf 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    More like an Ad than a 'test'.

  • @tonioyendis4464
    @tonioyendis4464 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's Cummings for me! Generac just ain't what they used to be with their inferior quality-controls.

  • @batemanjo9
    @batemanjo9 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Also Kohler has better fuel economy

  • @cmkpro81
    @cmkpro81 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The KW’s didn’t even match on but 2 of the machines…. This was a bullshit ass test. That B&S hands down is the best one yall got just on warranty alone. Not to mention that you don’t need the warranty cause it’s built like a 7.3 Power Stroke. Briggs all the way!!!!!

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The test was to see if they could provide the output they claimed. It was not a VS. test. The data log shows how B&S dropped voltage to make up for lost hp.

  • @stephenalbright6961
    @stephenalbright6961 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I knew the generac was junk

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We don't like to call any of it junk. Some units are built to meet a specific price point. Its like comparing GM , Kia, Ford and Toyota.

  • @kirkstinson7316
    @kirkstinson7316 ปีที่แล้ว

    And the Kohler only cost a few hundred more than a Junckerac

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      We often ask, why Honda is not in the market for auto start home generators.

  • @Beamin-vt7jm
    @Beamin-vt7jm 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Briggs is garbage

  • @blueboat9581
    @blueboat9581 ปีที่แล้ว

    Generac is the best

  • @jser4822
    @jser4822 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Go Generac or go home!

  • @allmysleepingcats1545
    @allmysleepingcats1545 ปีที่แล้ว

    OUR ADVICE: AVOID BUYING A CUMMINS GENERATOR. WE HAVE BEEN WAITING ON A STARTER FOR MONTHS NOW-- TERRIBLE SERVICE AND RELIABILITY. WE'VE HAD 3 POWER OUTAGES IN THE MEANTIME AND NOW WE'RE TOLD PART WON'T BE IN UNTIL MID SEPTEMBER. TERRIBLE CUSTOMER SUPPORT.

    • @kirkstinson7316
      @kirkstinson7316 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Very true! Cummins warranty parts have been taking several months to be shipped for a couple years now. I used to always recommend Onan as the top dog generator but now it's Kohler

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's terrible, The Cummins did very well in the test. Maybe try another dealer?

  • @trith72
    @trith72 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I don’t buy these results for a second. Your board shows that you had a full failure starting a 5 ton ac on the Generac with only a 10k load and I can 100% say either you starved the generator of fuel to make it fail, or you flat out lied, i have that generator on my house and a 5 ton AND 3 ton unit and my lights dont even flicker when the 5 ton kicks in, with the three ton and most other normal appliances running. Something isn’t adding up about your tests at all……

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That may be because the power factor is different. We use 10 KW of straight resistance load. PF1 .

  • @jacobalderman105
    @jacobalderman105 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    👍👍 straight to the point! Love it! Thank you!

  • @teter129
    @teter129 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Your service truck states your a Kohler dealer . . . I too would like to see more data to rule out bias.

    • @trith72
      @trith72 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Great point, there are a ton of poor test results on that board that i know first hand a Generac 24kw can easily do if properly installed and not intentionally fuel starved. This whole video is fishy as hell when you see the board results. This is a big disguised sales pitch……

    • @ChubbsyUbbsey
      @ChubbsyUbbsey 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      They sell multiple brands. It's pretty common.

    • @ChubbsyUbbsey
      @ChubbsyUbbsey 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@trith72 There's not a single Generac dealter, if they're being honest, will tell you that the Generac is a superior product. They use an application grade engine and write their ratings for peak loads no sustained loads.

    • @trith72
      @trith72 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@ChubbsyUbbsey I own the Generac in the video and it doesn't even come close to failures they show. This is a doctored result.

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      There were Cummins, Generac, Briggs dealers at this test. This was NOT longevity, reliability or maximum output test. This was " will the product output match what the data plate claims."

  • @majerstud
    @majerstud ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Are these generators all made in the USA? And I don't mean "assembled in the USA from global parts". I mean manufactured and built in America?

    • @kirkstinson7316
      @kirkstinson7316 ปีที่แล้ว

      Basically NOTHING is 100%built in the USA anymore

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No. Some are 100% not USA. Others are assembled in the USA . Some are assembled by Auto Workers Union in Wisconsin .

    • @dexterhinds7945
      @dexterhinds7945 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@thomasw4032It's a simple question are any of the generators made outside of America? Yes or No instead of that deceptive twisting answer.

    • @thomaswhite-2449
      @thomaswhite-2449 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes

  • @randybox2734
    @randybox2734 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Let's just use a Kohler that's 20% smaller, okay?

  • @aldavison420
    @aldavison420 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The 2 smaller generators should be more efficient than the 2 larger units. How is this a fair comparison?

  • @ThomasMarcotte-jt9od
    @ThomasMarcotte-jt9od ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great test. I'd like to see more coverage of this test. Thank you for doing it.

  • @mikes7047
    @mikes7047 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    heck ya I just install the 20kwrca

  • @marshallbrooksjr.9088
    @marshallbrooksjr.9088 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    While the test formats were well devised, it would have been nice to have a larger view for a longer period of time of the test results on your graphs. In addition, the type of fuel you were using in the tests should have been stated along with any derating factor accounted for. My 17 years experience with generators statistically proves Kohler is a superior product. My crew only installs Kohler, if customers prefer other brands after I explain the premium operating characteristics and reliability factor of Kohler gensets, I politely suggest they find another service provider. Reluctantly, I repair a generjunk on occasion to make payroll, their failure is a given.

  • @Silverfun11
    @Silverfun11 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Can you test Kohler’s new 26kw?

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes. I don't know if I can get all of these dealers to bring these units in again. But I could do an individual test on a Kohler 26RCA

    • @Silverfun11
      @Silverfun11 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thomasw4032 yes just an individual test on the new one would be great!

  • @ShawnTRD
    @ShawnTRD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Would love to see more footage.

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Working on it. We have 30 plus hours of this day.

    • @Silverfun11
      @Silverfun11 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@thomasw4032 would like to see more as well!

    • @KB-ke3fi
      @KB-ke3fi 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Not gonna get it.

  • @haydenmontgomery9718
    @haydenmontgomery9718 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you think you can run 18000 watts from 5 air fryers 2 pizza ovens and a deep freezer constantly everyday with a Briggs and Stratton 24kw ?

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      possibly at 220v. The algorithm dropped voltage at half load.

  • @jaredengberg9295
    @jaredengberg9295 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    So the 20kw Kohler was able to start a 5 ton ac unit while already under a load of 20 kw???

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes. It ran for a little while before the software shut the system down, same as the cummins. Both had software protections.

  • @jeff-cw7gy
    @jeff-cw7gy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you do one final test and have the B&S or Generic do a 10 minute load test but only at 20kw to see if they make it? I am wondering if the factory is just way overrating these units.

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      All of the generators in the videos were destroyed after the test. Some may have been installed for friends and family but we didn't think it would be fair to sell these products after the abuse.

    • @nspro931
      @nspro931 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@thomasw4032 That is a shame. This was far less than a normal acceptance test for a large commercial or industrial unit. I would consider all those units well proven and more valuable than one straight out of a box.

  • @redredred1
    @redredred1 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This is the video? This is like a summary - is there not a long video showing everything you did and how they performed?

  • @joecrocco5501
    @joecrocco5501 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a 27kw Generac. No one can figure out how to run my heat pump unit. Generac factory no help at all.

    • @chadshriver2952
      @chadshriver2952 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What do you mean?

    • @NoSpam1891
      @NoSpam1891 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ask an HVAC guy about a soft start kit.

    • @thomasw4032
      @thomasw4032  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How much aux heat strips are there? in KW, amps or watts .

    • @joecrocco5501
      @joecrocco5501 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      First, my bad. Unit is 22kw. Soft start was installed and now unit comes on but with switch back to utility power it comes on in heat mode and we have to shut off at thermostat. Not good if we are not home.

    • @joecrocco5501
      @joecrocco5501 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I am not an electrician. I had two generator contractors try to solve the problem with no luck or help from factory.

  • @davegerrard6857
    @davegerrard6857 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ive had several experiences Kolher engine and id never trust one for a backup system of any kind! Shitty in my experiences! I can't even imagine counting on one for emergency situations! You guy ran them for a whole ten minutes! Lol. What a freaken joke! There's several far better and detailed true tested reviews out there!

    • @kirkstinson7316
      @kirkstinson7316 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes there are and Generac usually loses in them. I've been a generator mechanic for over 30 years and work on all brands. I've seen more total failures on Generac than any other brand. Generac has also had several class action lawsuits against them

    • @trith72
      @trith72 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kirkstinson7316 hat's because there are more generacs installed than any other permanent type by a factor of 5 so sure you will more failures, they are the most common brand. Now to say they FAIL more than other brands is disingenuous.....