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Thomas W
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เข้าร่วมเมื่อ 27 ธ.ค. 2014
Watch this before you buy a home standby generator. Four models tested to the limit.
We tested four new models. Generac, Briggs & Stratton, Cummins and Kohler.
Working in cooperation with several dealers to accomplish this.
HGS Generator, Critical Systems Generator Services
Working in cooperation with several dealers to accomplish this.
HGS Generator, Critical Systems Generator Services
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Brought to you by A Dealer that only sells Kohler, surely it must be unbiased!
We sell 4 brands.
Great video! Just purchased a Kohler RCA20 from Power Equipment Direct, installing it this week myself in Houston area.
I’m a new person in Florida. I’ve lived in Connecticut. I saw this video and was so excited about all the brands being tested, and figured Pennsylvania would know their power outages.
Just ordered the kohler, thanks
Would love to get a copy of that report. I am located outside of Charlotte, North Carolina
The average homeowner should never approach anywhere near 100% load. You are completely undersized if you’re running any where near that.
lemme guess you guys are a Kohler authorized dealer....🙄
Did you read all of the comments? All four dealers were there. Not in everyone's best interest to post the same video. We wasted about 25k $ and our entire weekend to do this test. So you're welcome to make your own video.
Where's the rest of the video? You only show voltage on the charts.... You need to show HZ and THD with load applied.
Also Kohler has better fuel economy
It's Cummings for me! Generac just ain't what they used to be with their inferior quality-controls.
The 2 smaller generators should be more efficient than the 2 larger units. How is this a fair comparison?
I think this test should be done in Phoenix AZ during the middle of Summer. That's a true TEST!
Or a hurricane in Houston with power lines wrapped around 110 foot pine trees for 10 days....and cars too.
Briggs is garbage
Great job - y'all didn't happen to compare noise levels did you?
No, sorry. I do think the Cummins was the quietest. it has more sheet metal around it.
This message was brought to you by Kohler. 😂
There was a dealer for each brand.
You must have a Generac.
@@thomasw4032 but Ironically Critical Power Systems is a Kohler dealer lol.
@@thomasw4032 looked like a Kohler ad to me. I had 2 friends during the hurricane and their Kohlers blew up...the motors fried, and it took the maint co 6 weeks to fix it.
Do you think you can run 18000 watts from 5 air fryers 2 pizza ovens and a deep freezer constantly everyday with a Briggs and Stratton 24kw ?
possibly at 220v. The algorithm dropped voltage at half load.
I just had a 14KW Kohler installed. Hoping it will be a good unit. For me one of the items was the Kohler engine. I think they are good engines.
will this unit power up your AC unit?, is it a 4 ton?, is it loud?
So the 20kw Kohler was able to start a 5 ton ac unit while already under a load of 20 kw???
Yes. It ran for a little while before the software shut the system down, same as the cummins. Both had software protections.
Let's just use a Kohler that's 20% smaller, okay?
Comparisons on warranty, parts availability, etc. is important to include.
Excellent points. How close is the servicing dealer. Do they have 24hr support. All very good points. !
Done! Getting a Kohler. Tks!
Helpful Video. Thank You.
this is truly useless info and completely subjective BS. Welcome to "statistics" punks - I can make data points say what teh F ever I want too with ZERO reality or proof. NICE AD... nothing more. pathetic... leave to PA to pull this shit... near bad as FL in that crap
Did you buy 4 units and make a video? Please provide a link.
Great video guys! short concise, and it's clear you brought out the test equipment to make it more objective. Thanks for sharing!
The KW’s didn’t even match on but 2 of the machines…. This was a bullshit ass test. That B&S hands down is the best one yall got just on warranty alone. Not to mention that you don’t need the warranty cause it’s built like a 7.3 Power Stroke. Briggs all the way!!!!!
The test was to see if they could provide the output they claimed. It was not a VS. test. The data log shows how B&S dropped voltage to make up for lost hp.
Go Generac or go home!
I have a 27kw Generac. No one can figure out how to run my heat pump unit. Generac factory no help at all.
What do you mean?
Ask an HVAC guy about a soft start kit.
How much aux heat strips are there? in KW, amps or watts .
First, my bad. Unit is 22kw. Soft start was installed and now unit comes on but with switch back to utility power it comes on in heat mode and we have to shut off at thermostat. Not good if we are not home.
I am not an electrician. I had two generator contractors try to solve the problem with no luck or help from factory.
Good comparison of electrical performance. In the final analysis in choosing a brand, the remaining factors in play include reliability, the dealers quality level of service and availability of replacement parts.
Very well put!
Ahhh!! Just want I was looking for. I'm up in Moscow!
Hello! 30 mins from us.
While the test formats were well devised, it would have been nice to have a larger view for a longer period of time of the test results on your graphs. In addition, the type of fuel you were using in the tests should have been stated along with any derating factor accounted for. My 17 years experience with generators statistically proves Kohler is a superior product. My crew only installs Kohler, if customers prefer other brands after I explain the premium operating characteristics and reliability factor of Kohler gensets, I politely suggest they find another service provider. Reluctantly, I repair a generjunk on occasion to make payroll, their failure is a given.
Can you test Kohler’s new 26kw?
Yes. I don't know if I can get all of these dealers to bring these units in again. But I could do an individual test on a Kohler 26RCA
@@thomasw4032 yes just an individual test on the new one would be great!
Super light on detail. Hmmm.
Who needs 20-24 KW of power for backing up their home in an emergency? The average house uses 15 KW per day. Most can get by with 10 KW for most of their house needs. The only ones that need a huge generator are houses with a well pump, everything electric and a ground source heat pump and that is if there is no priority load start up circuits. But it is a good video.
We have many homes with 5 ton heat pumps. Each unit has 15kW of aux heat. Some houses require 60kw generators once an electric oven and water heater are added in.
I get it, full on back up power, so that no one is inconvenienced during a community emergency. It just seems odd to me. We are going to try to get by with 3600W because it is an emergency, right. However, for my mom, she has electric everything, we installed a 14 kw unit which keeps everything going for her. We are thinking of putting in a ground sourced heat pump for her farm house which will change things. 4 tons should be fine for the 1850 Farmhouse and we will probably need a power management switch to make it work.@@thomasw4032
I have never approached 50% of the load on our 17KW BRIGGS & STRATTON.. HAVE NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES. It’s not a good plan to run a system at 100% of load. I was in charge of keeping our 950KW generator maintained and operational at my last position we never ran a load over 45% on an engineered system. The only time it went higher was during our annual load bank test with a 50% load, then 75% load and 100% load while checking emissions.
@@July.4.1776 10Kw seems about right when you are running everything and the christmas lights. It is an emergency, not a permanent power for the future. Thank you for speaking up.
More like an Ad than a 'test'.
I knew the generac was junk
We don't like to call any of it junk. Some units are built to meet a specific price point. Its like comparing GM , Kia, Ford and Toyota.
Best video ever. 2 minutes. Didn't have to sit through 20 minutes of babble to get the information. Bravo.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Why are the scales different on the voltage and current charts? We also need to see the capture time used for the meters. It looks like they are set different.
The meter automatically adjust the range to use the least amount of space on the scale. The Briggs & Stratton unit when applied load you could see that the unit dropped voltage as a way of saving the horsepower. This is a way of seeing the algorithm on how the controller is set up.
I don’t buy these results for a second. Your board shows that you had a full failure starting a 5 ton ac on the Generac with only a 10k load and I can 100% say either you starved the generator of fuel to make it fail, or you flat out lied, i have that generator on my house and a 5 ton AND 3 ton unit and my lights dont even flicker when the 5 ton kicks in, with the three ton and most other normal appliances running. Something isn’t adding up about your tests at all……
That may be because the power factor is different. We use 10 KW of straight resistance load. PF1 .
I think old Tom is a salesman. 🤣🤣🤣
This is the video? This is like a summary - is there not a long video showing everything you did and how they performed?
Lol....what a load of bullshit......flips through data faster than shot through a goose. AND, you are a Kohler dealer
There are 4 dealers from each brand in the video. We will upload the full video soon.
And the Kohler only cost a few hundred more than a Junckerac
We often ask, why Honda is not in the market for auto start home generators.
Generac is the best
OUR ADVICE: AVOID BUYING A CUMMINS GENERATOR. WE HAVE BEEN WAITING ON A STARTER FOR MONTHS NOW-- TERRIBLE SERVICE AND RELIABILITY. WE'VE HAD 3 POWER OUTAGES IN THE MEANTIME AND NOW WE'RE TOLD PART WON'T BE IN UNTIL MID SEPTEMBER. TERRIBLE CUSTOMER SUPPORT.
Very true! Cummins warranty parts have been taking several months to be shipped for a couple years now. I used to always recommend Onan as the top dog generator but now it's Kohler
That's terrible, The Cummins did very well in the test. Maybe try another dealer?
Our Cummins 20KW did stellar during Hurrican Helene. . . ran straight for a week. But service is hard to find and the major dealers want $1200 just to service it. . . don't know how to adjust valves or clean slip rings. No videos for homeowners either. I hope I don't have any trouble with it. They do have a tsb for the fuel solenoid, but no instructions to put it on. I will end up doing the basic service on it, otherwise way too expensive. I still think the Cummins looks the best. . . .others look like above ground caskets in your yard! LOL
The kohler is way too expensive and they are hell to work with when it comes to warranty work. The generac is the best one ot buy bar none.
As a field mechanic for 30 years, working on all brands, I'll tell you your statement is WAY off. The Kohler is only a few hundred more then Generac. And Kohler's have beat Generac in test after test.
Generac isn't even close to the best. Both Kohler and Cummins are far superior.
Great test. I'd like to see more coverage of this test. Thank you for doing it.
I get doing the comparison, But the isn't the Size variety a little " UNTELLING ?" Just because A 26kw has A 4 cylinder car engine basically and A 20 KW Is A smaller engine, 2 cylinder. so, why not put the Briggs 25-26kw up against the other 26 ?
Uhm. No. These are all air cooled units. All have a two cylinder engine
Got it. Thanks for Clarifying!@@kirkstinson7316
👍👍 straight to the point! Love it! Thank you!
Why didn’t you use a GENERAC 26kw for the test since they came out with that size first
Actually no. Briggs and Stratton came out with a 26 kw first and it took Generac over a year to catch up and it still makes less power.
This wasn't a maximum power test. It was only to see how they performed according to their data plate.
@@thomasw4032 You literally say in your video at the 15 second mark you got the largest air cooled generators offered........ 26kw Generac was out long before this video, and interestingly enough, the Generac 26kw design is different than the 20,22, and 24 kw units.
I own a Generac. My Generac is 28 years old. Never miss a beat.
Good to know... TY
That was before they got taken over by a large corporation and quality control suffered.Hold on to that bad boy
@@johnnyhotrod You mean back when they were vertical shaft, belt driven units? With circuit breakers that were a few amps higher than the generator was rated at?
@@johnnyhotrodexactly.
Ive had several experiences Kolher engine and id never trust one for a backup system of any kind! Shitty in my experiences! I can't even imagine counting on one for emergency situations! You guy ran them for a whole ten minutes! Lol. What a freaken joke! There's several far better and detailed true tested reviews out there!
Yes there are and Generac usually loses in them. I've been a generator mechanic for over 30 years and work on all brands. I've seen more total failures on Generac than any other brand. Generac has also had several class action lawsuits against them
@@kirkstinson7316 hat's because there are more generacs installed than any other permanent type by a factor of 5 so sure you will more failures, they are the most common brand. Now to say they FAIL more than other brands is disingenuous.....