The thing about symphuny’s upside down keyboard is that there is no advantage of saving space or reaching keys easier, it’s just a fun way to break your wrist.
my friend had a 65% keyboard and he still does this 💀, he said it just felt more comfortable when he's going on competitive lobbies. as for me, im just a casual rpg game player so i've never tried those stuff.
Back in the olden days, when you wanted to go to LAN parties, you had to bring your pc and monitor, where you had to play in a limited table space. That meant that you had to make as much mouse space as possible by turning your keyboard vertical.
as u said. monitors were huge back in the days and you couldnt fit ur keyboard horizontaly if you wanted to sit close (been to over 15 different dreamhack LAN's 🥲)
@@exile4474 my child, you must know something. TheScoreEsports likes to use clickbait and not answering questions, because it generates views, it creates drama, it leads to money.
Lemme explain so my keyboard sits at about 11o clock I broke my hand a couple times so I have no tendons in my finger fr so they can stretch I can hit every key perfectly that way up until like g I use every key to the left of g
I actually turn my keyboard 45 degrees, because it's a more ergonomic position for my hand to be in when gaming using WASD. When I have it horizontal my wrist has to be bent to use WASD, but when I turn my keyboard a bit, it's in a relaxed position where my wrist is in line with the rest of my arm.
Mine's at about a 5 degree angle to the opposite direction and I hold the keyboard right at the edge of the table. I have an arm rest as an anchor point and I use kind of a lounge sitting position like the CS:GO pro JDM.
Simple answer to that is when you play like that your whole arm is at rest since it's all in the table and for that it gives the sensation of perfect gameplay due to arm relaxation
Vertical keyboards originate from the deep ends of the internet cafe when there is a little barrier between you and the other players near you and the monitor is barely not falling from the table
People always miss the main point of why pros do this. The single main reason why pros do this is because, the most important thing is how close the monitor is to their eyes. Professional FPS players such as CSGO - tend to have the monitor very close, some players have it a matter of inches away from their face. This is important in games like CSGO where spotting a matter of pixels from an opponent through a smoke can be the difference of winning a round or not. In most pro lan tournament the supplied monitors have bulky bases - and are not attached to extendable arms. So if you have a monitor very close to you, and the monitor has a base - you literally have nowhere to put the keyboard other than to the side of the monitor base, in a slanted manner. That is the main reason. Pros arent like “I want to slant my keyboard because I like it” and that’s the only reason. It’s first and foremost to have the monitor at the optimal distance away from their face. They do this at home to make sure they are used to this setup when they go to pro LANs where they can’t control what the monitor base situation will be like.
Saw some people explain it in these comments but this started because of confined table space at LANs. I remember back in CS:S when I went to LANs they always had like 2 plastic beer pong tables per team so people had super limited space and had to tilt their keyboard to give their teammates their space and leave room for their mousepads.
@@0xgreyhound never sat an inch away only. Sure to those few who had their nose pressed against the monitor maybe but with 10 inches away from monitor, never saw a kb that fat you couldn't be close enough an monitor stand/foot against kb wasn't enough. But I give you that if you had to lean forward arm position would get bad and wasd too close, hence it's a valid thing but iirc it was more side to side with the guy next being too close. Sitting pretty much shoulder to shoulder is rough. This is on a non professional level and my youth.
I use mine at around 45 degree angle, just cause i feel more comfortable due to the fact that i can place my elbows wider making it just so much easier to play and relax at the same moment.
This is the common and conventional solution to having no desk room; my childhood bad habit-forming fix was to increase my mouse sensitivity to an obscene level and now I can’t change
@@Jomega1212 Exactly!!! depending on the game's sense measurements, in some games i have like, 20.5 sens which in other games it would be converted to 5.5 sens, i play with 1600 dpi tho
When I had a full-sized keyboard I used to do this. But it started to hurt my wrist. So I bought a tenkeyless and use it normally. No more wrist pain, and still enough room for my mouse.
When you tilt it vertically the distance from each key is still the same, so you arent reaching the keys easier, but you are feeling like you reached them easier. This can also cause a lot of wrist damage over time as it puts strain on muscles near the radius.
It does make the keys easier to reach. The wrist position is different when tilting keyboard allowing for your thumbs to reach buttons further. It does not cause wrist problems, its the opposite, it keeps the wrist stable, playing normal keyboard is bad for wrist because there is more burden on the wrist when reaching further keys and creates instability. Tilted keyboard keeps yours wrist more stable and arm position locked which gives off less exertion.
From my Experience. I used to play in net cafe and having a small desk to play. So turning my keeb vertical will give me more space to flick the mouse. And if you're those who like to look very closely to the monitor. The body posture you made when playing like this will feel more comfort than playing with normal horizontal keyboard.
I naturally gravitated to a tilt without realizing until I tried to go back to normal. The keys feel like they're in the correct spot if the keyboard is tilted roughly 20 degrees to the right, and slightly tilted up with a little stand
I have desk room for horizontal but i find it more ergonomic and comfortable to have it at around a 30-50 degree angle since i sit relatively close to the monitor
This. Even though I learned with plenty of room (or at least enough to not have to tilt it too much) I sit xantares close when I'm playing cs and almost as close in most other games. It just lets me place my hand more naturally. If it's 90 degrees I have to bend my wrist in an unnatural way.
A tilt is actually advantageous (if you have good accuracy with ur thumb) because you DO get more access to more keys. Takes time to get used to. Another reason ppl use tilted keyboards is bc back when lan parties used to be popular youd have to tilt your keyboard in order to have enough space to fit a mouse. However anything more than like a 45 degree angle esp nowadays where you probably wont need to tilt ur keyboard is weird to me imo. Also my thumb is just not that accurate or quick so i barely use it in game
I like to think of it the same way you would hold a guitar when playing. There's the one you'd originally do, which is put it on your right lap to play, while there's classical stance used in classical guitar playing. You're pretty much cradling the guitar between your thighs, tilting the fretboard diagonally. What this does is it allows you to reach further than usual and is relatively easier on the fingers.
Xd agreed you dont use the whole keyboard there is almost no game that require you to use wasd and p.l.o.k etc keys that is on right side of the keyboard most of them use all the keys on left side so no need
The 2 main reasons are ergonomics, your wrist doesn’t wasn’t to sit straight and you will have a lot of issues down the line without ANY tilt on your keyboard. The second is space, primarily in old LAN settings when people shared a single table for 3-5 setups you HAD to tilt your keyboard to make sure every player had space.
The only reason you would ‘suffer’ in general from that situation would be the same regardless of your keyboard position. It’s called *Not Coming Off The Computer* .
@@aterriblesliceoftoast I disagree. If I'm comfortable enough and take short breaks, I can spend like 10 hours and feel fine. If I'm not confortable, I will have wrist pain or back pain after just 1.5-2 hours.
@@Schmuly in what ways? your arm rests much more natural at ~45 degree angle as opposed to straight. It isn't a significant improvement if you are gaming constantly but it is a help for sure.
@@aterriblesliceoftoast ofc constantly gaming would make it fairly moot, but a ~45 degree turn can actually relieve a lot of fatigue and joint pain in your wrists from gaming.
@@crowned_user yeah 100% saw someone play like that so I did for a little bit it was terrible. Also being an controller main reaching for keys already feels weird so horizontal makes it even worse
@@superkdog888 ive been a k&m main for 3 years now. ive always played angled. but there is a fine line to whats ok when it come to keyboard angle. anything over 60 degrees just isnt ok.
Most of it comes from older LAN days (5+ years ago) where there wasn't much desk space and teammates were sitting pretty close to each other. Plus pros tend to use much lower sensitivities so they require more mouse space.
I remember back on LAN 20+ years ago people had to play like this because of space. Also "reach more ieys easily" doesn't really fit. I play with nearly 70 hotkeys in WoW and have the keyboard normal.
this isn’t correct. it wasn’t to slow people down, it was to space the ink bars of the most commonly used keys apart so they wouldn’t get jammed up. yes, this happened in an alphabetical layout from typing too fast, but people clearly learned to type just as fast with the qwerty layout, if not faster than before, because they no longer had to worry about their keys getting jammed up. so saying the qwerty design was made to “slow people down” is misleading. edit: that being said, keyboards were clearly not designed with gaming in mind.
but it doesn't matter in the context of video gaming, because you're not "typing", you're just pressing keys that are assigned to certain movements/executions. You can literally just rebind them.
This only happens when you feel a need to be different when you're young. By that you eventually train yourself to make it work but make no mistake. There's no advantage
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People used vertical keyboards when they didn’t have enough desk space at tournaments. Nobody is claiming a vertical keyboard to be better if you have the desk space to place it normally
The real reason people do this is because in the old days LAN events didn’t have enough desk space so the pro players would tilt their keyboards to save space. Viewers saw the best players in the world playing this way and thought it was advantageous.
There was only a few pros that had their keyboards tilted, they were mainly russian players, the thing about this is that computer clubs didn't have a lot of personal space, so if you had your keyboards tilted, you'd get much more room for your mouse, it was just a preference to the players that grew up in those pc clubs, every other player thought it gave them some advantage so they just followed along, nowadays there's no advantage to anything, just play like you play, don't have to copy what other people are doing
I heard it’s because back at old school LANs there wasn’t enough space of the desks for everybody to play horizontally, so some had to switch to vertical. I’m assuming more new gen players are copying it just because they saw older pros do it.
I was never able to play on mnk up until that slight keyboard tilt. Since then mnk has been so fun to play without my left hand hurting after a single game.
I feel people who flip their keyboards have already gotten so used to how they play on it. They basically adjust after they figure out their layout, I believe.
I just use a trackball with a full sized keyboard. Then for hard to reach keys, I bind them to the numpad area because my right hand is literally right next to it at any time.
I use my keyboard at a 45 degree (roughly) angle and it just feels more natural for me that way. If I play with it horizontal (normally) it makes my wrist sit at an uncomfortable position. I also like my forearms to rest on my desk. So that may be why. But all my friends call me weird but it really is comfortable.
In the philippines, there are these places called “pisonets”, the mouse area of the keyboards there are incredibly small, the only method to gain mouse space is to either move the keyboard to your thighs or simply rorate them 90 degrees.
The only advantage for tilting your keyboard 90° is freeing up space for your mouse. You don't even need to reach more keys since you can already reach enough horizontally PLUS you can change your keybinds. (also there are smaller keyboards you can buy so you don't break your wrist)
Upside down keyboards are so cursed. But the only cursed thing that people try to do is doing Left handed mouse and it is so uncomfortable. You literally have to change your setup to be able to do it correctly.
I play at 30° angle to vertical. I average 8 k/d ratio at 2400 elo faceit. Tilted is the way to reach your full potential. Some of us guys dont have the perfect sized fingers to reach some keys. My fingers are pretty big so its hard doing it horizontally it might sound crazy but it's so much more comfortable as well
I've played at about 45 degrees for over 10 yrs now. Since counter strike on a membrane office keyboard as a kid on mom's computer. 45-90 degrees is meta.
just reminding you that a pro CS:GO player named FASHR plays with inverted vertical axis (aka going up with your mouse means going down and viceversa) and also moves forward with the right-click mouse button instead of W. To this day that is the strangest settings I've heard of and his justification is that he played a lot of flying simulation games as a kid.
45 degree angle seems fine, but anything too close to 90 degrees, or vertical: is basically insane. in the end I just switch back and forth from horizontal and tilted
We used to turn the keyboard for extra space in a mini desk with a big keyboard but now 60 % keyboard already gives more space but the habit of tilting is already in our dna so we tilt the keyboard
Tilting the keyboard like 30 degrees is actually far better for games like csgo where you only need to use basically like the left half of the keyboard In the end you only use "w, a ,s, d" and numpad 1-4 By tilting the keyboard you also get more mouse space, which is the biggest reason why.
I tilt my keyboard, but outward to the left around 20-40 degree depending on the keyboard size, my seat position, and my mood, since I'm a right handed, I use my mouse on the right and having more space
A slight tilt sometimes helps for me but most of the time keep it almost perfectly straight, sometimes the tilt makes it feel more comfy and others it does the opposite. (Remember SLIGHT tilt)
I tilt my keyboard instinctively, and the only reason I can think as to why I do it is that my hands and fingers tend to rest flatter on the tilt when it comes to WASDs, but for QWER I play horizontal
I just don't understand how people don't get that. I tilt my keyboard 90° so I can rest my entire elbow on my desk, instead of just my forearm.. Puts less pressure on my forearm, allows my arm to rest a lot more and is definitely a lot more comfy.
I play mine probably a little less than 45 degree tilt and it feels like the perfect angle for my arm to rest at. Anything further and I’m straining my wrist, any less and my arm is all scrunched up. Idk how people play with them fully sideways.
It’s just one of those things that people do to make what they’re doing look more complicated than what it actually is, and by that they also look better than what they are
idk why people who play with a horizontal computer think they have a say in how other people tilt they keyboard, it saves more space for me and i reach more keys as well as my arm is more comfortable
i used to do this, not to this extreme, usually tilt the keyboard about 30 degrees. Now i bought a 60% keyboard and i no longer tilt it cause its smaller and i have enough space.
if you re not using high sens or even if you do using keyboard tilted is good. but getting use to it is really hard so thats why some ppl hate this. it gives adventage for sure tho
The thing about symphuny’s upside down keyboard is that there is no advantage of saving space or reaching keys easier, it’s just a fun way to break your wrist.
nah bro he's just trying to be different
@@jordsn_l nothin but the truth
@@jordsn_l trying too hard begging for attention is what he is doing
Technically nothing is better than the other since the distance between the keys are still the same it might be placebo
@@Neighbour1 nah it’s not placebo, it genuinely makes it easier to press other keys with your thumb, plus u get more mouse room
Man's gonna freak out when he hears about 60% keyboards.
my thoughts watching this video lmao
i have a 60% and I have all the space in the world
my friend had a 65% keyboard and he still does this 💀, he said it just felt more comfortable when he's going on competitive lobbies. as for me, im just a casual rpg game player so i've never tried those stuff.
I have a 60% keyboard and I tilt it at 75 degrees😂😂
what's wrong with tilting? especially on tac shooters when you need to crouch or walk more often. it's literally way easier to press shiftl or ctrl.
@@shepherdrm8486 just use Keyboard layers????
Many pros tilt their keyboard because back in the old days in LANs there wasn't as much desk space and they needed to adapt.
only real OG´s know!
None of the dudes shown in this video are old enough to have gone to a lan party
@@osnofa__they are old enough, most of the pros shown in the video were in LANs.
Desk weren't ready for this work💪🏽
@@evnatusYea, doubt it
Back in the olden days, when you wanted to go to LAN parties, you had to bring your pc and monitor, where you had to play in a limited table space. That meant that you had to make as much mouse space as possible by turning your keyboard vertical.
what this dude said 👌
Yep. Was searching for this exact comment.
as u said. monitors were huge back in the days and you couldnt fit ur keyboard horizontaly if you wanted to sit close (been to over 15 different dreamhack LAN's 🥲)
How was this not mentioned in the video??
@@exile4474 my child, you must know something. TheScoreEsports likes to use clickbait and not answering questions, because it generates views, it creates drama, it leads to money.
I can confirm that the vertical keyboard idea works best on laptop
Lmao
with a TN panel display💀
@@ishlight3772 ud be playing on a black screen💀💀💀
Upside down would be best just like sym
Hey thanks. Just got a 20 bomb on apex because of this.
A 45 degree tilt is right on the sweet spot
Yes
Faxx
I like in the middle of 45 and 90 about 67.5 -70 degree tilt
I’m more of a subtle 15° kinda guy
@@wet0wlrespectable
I remove my whole setup entirely so i have as much room as possible
Omg good idea
That’s nothing. I play with my keyboard glued to my ceiling while I stand on a ladder.
Crazy af
Mines a toilet seat
Me too
amateur i have my keyboard in the basement and my mouse on the roof
i play w my keyboard standing horizontally
Real ones have their keyboard on the floor playing it with their feet
hahahahahah
One guy actually beat Minecraft while doing that lmfao💀💀
It's people that haven't been loved as child, so they unconsciously hug their keyboard as a trauma response 🤪
they still make more money and still play better and more relevant than you tho
@@iforsakengt6958 I cannot deny
@@ariel_chess dont worry we're all in the same boat
Subconsciously
@@joshuaadams7091 Sorry, english is not my first language. Is it grammar error or a spelling mistake?
I usually use my feet to control my keyboard, that way I have the whole desk to work with
Dude same
I use both so I have 20 keys at a moments notice
Im using voice commands ,so i dont need even keys to play
Some Starcraft 2 player actually played against one guy on live stream with his feet and actually won.
Same hahahahahaha
One of them acted like tilting the keyboard would shrink it
I do tilt my keyboard a little bit but completely vertical is crazy 💀
Lemme explain so my keyboard sits at about 11o clock I broke my hand a couple times so I have no tendons in my finger fr so they can stretch I can hit every key perfectly that way up until like g I use every key to the left of g
@@akaaoniiiwho asked/cares
@@anu7599I care
@@anu7599I care
Frr
Get these guys 60% keyboards 🗣️
Thats what i did
@@bredsandwich yeah, but it would still be better
@@bredsandwich that’s the point. 60% is more compact
I still tilt my 60%. Absolutely not 90 degrees though, more like 45, I just got small hands man
@@sleebees yeah, that’s what I do when I play shooter games
Tilting or Turing your keyboard allows more room and adds comfort but the main reason is you can use keys like f and g without much movement
A horizontal keyboard takes a lot of movement to reach F and G? They’re right next to D
I actually turn my keyboard 45 degrees, because it's a more ergonomic position for my hand to be in when gaming using WASD. When I have it horizontal my wrist has to be bent to use WASD, but when I turn my keyboard a bit, it's in a relaxed position where my wrist is in line with the rest of my arm.
Yass this I agree
45 is where the limit, not 90
Yepp. Do this all the time
30-45 seems fine anything but 90
Mine's at about a 5 degree angle to the opposite direction and I hold the keyboard right at the edge of the table.
I have an arm rest as an anchor point and I use kind of a lounge sitting position like the CS:GO pro JDM.
i like it when keys are facing the table and not the ceiling
lol
that makes no sense bud
@@axsuriaaupside down? It’s a joke
@@JonS554 unfunniest joke wtf
@@axsuriaa jeez, no one hurt you, relax
Simple answer to that is when you play like that your whole arm is at rest since it's all in the table and for that it gives the sensation of perfect gameplay due to arm relaxation
I have my keyboard at a 45 degree angle. It's more of comfort than anything. I broke my wrist when I was younger and screws up the tendons in my hand
i do the same thing (for different reasons) but i turn it the opposite direction than i usually see people doing it
I do the same thing too but I didn’t messed up my hands or anything. Just felt more natural that way
I'd say 30 to 45 degrees is ideal, matter of fact, it's anatomically more adequate, less strain for your wrist.
Mine hovers between 45 and 60 degrees.
Mines about 15-20 degree angle because it allows me to just hit the b button while also hitting weapons
pro tip : it's 200% more efficient with a laptop
🥺 my wrists broke
😂😂
Vertical keyboards originate from the deep ends of the internet cafe when there is a little barrier between you and the other players near you and the monitor is barely not falling from the table
Imagine getting mopped by a random player in warzone with an upside down keyboard. I'd feel depressed.
Practice makes better. 🎉
I usually tilt my keyboard around 45 degrees, works really well
720 degrees diff
@@Robert.M1205 1440 meta >
I normally play vertically completely
same it's so good to have my wrist that way
@@Tomas-zc4nk nahh. Your keys face down is meta
People always miss the main point of why pros do this.
The single main reason why pros do this is because, the most important thing is how close the monitor is to their eyes. Professional FPS players such as CSGO - tend to have the monitor very close, some players have it a matter of inches away from their face. This is important in games like CSGO where spotting a matter of pixels from an opponent through a smoke can be the difference of winning a round or not.
In most pro lan tournament the supplied monitors have bulky bases - and are not attached to extendable arms. So if you have a monitor very close to you, and the monitor has a base - you literally have nowhere to put the keyboard other than to the side of the monitor base, in a slanted manner.
That is the main reason.
Pros arent like “I want to slant my keyboard because I like it” and that’s the only reason. It’s first and foremost to have the monitor at the optimal distance away from their face. They do this at home to make sure they are used to this setup when they go to pro LANs where they can’t control what the monitor base situation will be like.
Saw some people explain it in these comments but this started because of confined table space at LANs. I remember back in CS:S when I went to LANs they always had like 2 plastic beer pong tables per team so people had super limited space and had to tilt their keyboard to give their teammates their space and leave room for their mousepads.
depends also to get monitor closer
@@0xgreyhound never sat an inch away only. Sure to those few who had their nose pressed against the monitor maybe but with 10 inches away from monitor, never saw a kb that fat you couldn't be close enough an monitor stand/foot against kb wasn't enough. But I give you that if you had to lean forward arm position would get bad and wasd too close, hence it's a valid thing but iirc it was more side to side with the guy next being too close. Sitting pretty much shoulder to shoulder is rough.
This is on a non professional level and my youth.
I use mine at around 45 degree angle, just cause i feel more comfortable due to the fact that i can place my elbows wider making it just so much easier to play and relax at the same moment.
same
Yo same
45 is fine but straight up 90 is just ridiculous
@@ashenblood agreed
The last one left me hanging 😂
It got me dead 💀
* ba dum tss *
If only it did for real
This is the common and conventional solution to having no desk room; my childhood bad habit-forming fix was to increase my mouse sensitivity to an obscene level and now I can’t change
Same. My eDPI is 3000 or 4000 which I brought down from 6000. 🤣
4000+ dpi gang
My LG G hero 502 goes up to 24,600 dpi which is bananas😂😂 I normally have it between 1000 and 4000 with 6000 being the max for fast paced games
Dpi high, sensitivity low.
@@Jomega1212 Exactly!!! depending on the game's sense measurements, in some games i have like, 20.5 sens which in other games it would be converted to 5.5 sens, i play with 1600 dpi tho
When I had a full-sized keyboard I used to do this. But it started to hurt my wrist. So I bought a tenkeyless and use it normally. No more wrist pain, and still enough room for my mouse.
For your what??
@@NavidMasud his mouse
Yo, the last guy rotated his keyboard 180 degree lol
When you tilt it vertically the distance from each key is still the same, so you arent reaching the keys easier, but you are feeling like you reached them easier. This can also cause a lot of wrist damage over time as it puts strain on muscles near the radius.
45° slant makes it easier to reach everything for me,I have pretty small hands so it helps out
It does make the keys easier to reach. The wrist position is different when tilting keyboard allowing for your thumbs to reach buttons further. It does not cause wrist problems, its the opposite, it keeps the wrist stable, playing normal keyboard is bad for wrist because there is more burden on the wrist when reaching further keys and creates instability. Tilted keyboard keeps yours wrist more stable and arm position locked which gives off less exertion.
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From my Experience. I used to play in net cafe and having a small desk to play. So turning my keeb vertical will give me more space to flick the mouse. And if you're those who like to look very closely to the monitor. The body posture you made when playing like this will feel more comfort than playing with normal horizontal keyboard.
My setup: my monitor is 5 cm from my face, my keyboard is tiltes to 90 degrees
Sym’s upside down keyboard is jjst one of many things to add to the list of “How… in the entire shit?! Did he land BeookeAB?” 😂😂😂
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This is straight up just “EZ Carpel Tunnel”
I naturally gravitated to a tilt without realizing until I tried to go back to normal. The keys feel like they're in the correct spot if the keyboard is tilted roughly 20 degrees to the right, and slightly tilted up with a little stand
I have desk room for horizontal but i find it more ergonomic and comfortable to have it at around a 30-50 degree angle since i sit relatively close to the monitor
does your mum still cut up your food for you?
I mean sure at least it isnt 90 degrees or anything
This. Even though I learned with plenty of room (or at least enough to not have to tilt it too much) I sit xantares close when I'm playing cs and almost as close in most other games. It just lets me place my hand more naturally. If it's 90 degrees I have to bend my wrist in an unnatural way.
I just do a slight tilt. It makes it more ergonomic to press control and some other keys. Probably 30 degrees or a bit more.
A tilt is actually advantageous (if you have good accuracy with ur thumb) because you DO get more access to more keys. Takes time to get used to.
Another reason ppl use tilted keyboards is bc back when lan parties used to be popular youd have to tilt your keyboard in order to have enough space to fit a mouse.
However anything more than like a 45 degree angle esp nowadays where you probably wont need to tilt ur keyboard is weird to me imo. Also my thumb is just not that accurate or quick so i barely use it in game
I like to think of it the same way you would hold a guitar when playing. There's the one you'd originally do, which is put it on your right lap to play, while there's classical stance used in classical guitar playing. You're pretty much cradling the guitar between your thighs, tilting the fretboard diagonally. What this does is it allows you to reach further than usual and is relatively easier on the fingers.
“I see it as a disadvantage to have my keyboard horizontal” 🤓
Xd agreed you dont use the whole keyboard there is almost no game that require you to use wasd and p.l.o.k etc keys that is on right side of the keyboard most of them use all the keys on left side so no need
yea he just likes it that way it ain't that deep lol
I play like this playing normally positioned keyboards just feel weird now
The 2 main reasons are ergonomics, your wrist doesn’t wasn’t to sit straight and you will have a lot of issues down the line without ANY tilt on your keyboard. The second is space, primarily in old LAN settings when people shared a single table for 3-5 setups you HAD to tilt your keyboard to make sure every player had space.
The only reason you would ‘suffer’ in general from that situation would be the same regardless of your keyboard position.
It’s called *Not Coming Off The Computer* .
@@aterriblesliceoftoast I disagree. If I'm comfortable enough and take short breaks, I can spend like 10 hours and feel fine.
If I'm not confortable, I will have wrist pain or back pain after just 1.5-2 hours.
@@Schmuly in what ways? your arm rests much more natural at ~45 degree angle as opposed to straight. It isn't a significant improvement if you are gaming constantly but it is a help for sure.
@@aterriblesliceoftoast ofc constantly gaming would make it fairly moot, but a ~45 degree turn can actually relieve a lot of fatigue and joint pain in your wrists from gaming.
I play with mine at about a 35-40 degree angle. It feels natural for my hand. Its worth giving a shot.
Same bro it is so much nicer idk how people play with a horizontal rotation tbh
@@superkdog888 yea horizontal just flat out feels weird. personally over time it makes my wrist hurt.
@@crowned_user yeah 100% saw someone play like that so I did for a little bit it was terrible. Also being an controller main reaching for keys already feels weird so horizontal makes it even worse
@@superkdog888 ive been a k&m main for 3 years now. ive always played angled. but there is a fine line to whats ok when it come to keyboard angle. anything over 60 degrees just isnt ok.
Most of it comes from older LAN days (5+ years ago) where there wasn't much desk space and teammates were sitting pretty close to each other. Plus pros tend to use much lower sensitivities so they require more mouse space.
About 20 degrees is perfect for reaching all the keys needed and feels better then playing horizontally
i play at about mabye 25 or 30
I got my keyboard on my lap. I get their jig. Gotta have real estate for the mouse and beers
I remember back on LAN 20+ years ago people had to play like this because of space.
Also "reach more ieys easily" doesn't really fit. I play with nearly 70 hotkeys in WoW and have the keyboard normal.
QWERTY keyboards are actually designed to slow people down primarily because of its history with typewriters
this isn’t correct. it wasn’t to slow people down, it was to space the ink bars of the most commonly used keys apart so they wouldn’t get jammed up. yes, this happened in an alphabetical layout from typing too fast, but people clearly learned to type just as fast with the qwerty layout, if not faster than before, because they no longer had to worry about their keys getting jammed up.
so saying the qwerty design was made to “slow people down” is misleading.
edit: that being said, keyboards were clearly not designed with gaming in mind.
but it doesn't matter in the context of video gaming, because you're not "typing", you're just pressing keys that are assigned to certain movements/executions.
You can literally just rebind them.
@@GameFuMasterwhich is why controllers are made
@@mkv2718forgot about the jamming 😂. thanks for the correction.
This only happens when you feel a need to be different when you're young. By that you eventually train yourself to make it work but make no mistake. There's no advantage
Lmao spoken like a true 12000 dpi bot 😂😂😂😂😂
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Don’t tell anyone that I use all my keyboards by turning it 360 degrees :)
As soon as you think outside the box and society gets crazy
People used vertical keyboards when they didn’t have enough desk space at tournaments. Nobody is claiming a vertical keyboard to be better if you have the desk space to place it normally
The real reason people do this is because in the old days LAN events didn’t have enough desk space so the pro players would tilt their keyboards to save space. Viewers saw the best players in the world playing this way and thought it was advantageous.
Yes, I remembered it when I was watching the events back then, I noticed something and my God the amount of space left for mouse movement is baffling
The true reason is dexterity. Keeps your fingers from straining as it’s a more natural resting position for your hand and fingers
Turning your wrist 90 degrees is not it's natural resting position.
There was only a few pros that had their keyboards tilted, they were mainly russian players, the thing about this is that computer clubs didn't have a lot of personal space, so if you had your keyboards tilted, you'd get much more room for your mouse, it was just a preference to the players that grew up in those pc clubs, every other player thought it gave them some advantage so they just followed along, nowadays there's no advantage to anything, just play like you play, don't have to copy what other people are doing
Nah bro, this is just a classic case of "look how different and special I am"
Buys comically large keyboard:
Has to go back in evolution to adapt his hands to this comically large keyboard:
“Hey guys its actually comfy”:
I heard it’s because back at old school LANs there wasn’t enough space of the desks for everybody to play horizontally, so some had to switch to vertical. I’m assuming more new gen players are copying it just because they saw older pros do it.
I was never able to play on mnk up until that slight keyboard tilt. Since then mnk has been so fun to play without my left hand hurting after a single game.
I feel people who flip their keyboards have already gotten so used to how they play on it. They basically adjust after they figure out their layout, I believe.
I just use a trackball with a full sized keyboard. Then for hard to reach keys, I bind them to the numpad area because my right hand is literally right next to it at any time.
I use my keyboard at a 45 degree (roughly) angle and it just feels more natural for me that way. If I play with it horizontal (normally) it makes my wrist sit at an uncomfortable position. I also like my forearms to rest on my desk. So that may be why. But all my friends call me weird but it really is comfortable.
In the philippines, there are these places called “pisonets”, the mouse area of the keyboards there are incredibly small, the only method to gain mouse space is to either move the keyboard to your thighs or simply rorate them 90 degrees.
That ain't tilt anymore, that's complete rotation. 💀
The only advantage for tilting your keyboard 90° is freeing up space for your mouse. You don't even need to reach more keys since you can already reach enough horizontally PLUS you can change your keybinds. (also there are smaller keyboards you can buy so you don't break your wrist)
Upside down keyboards are so cursed. But the only cursed thing that people try to do is doing Left handed mouse and it is so uncomfortable. You literally have to change your setup to be able to do it correctly.
I play at 30° angle to vertical. I average 8 k/d ratio at 2400 elo faceit. Tilted is the way to reach your full potential. Some of us guys dont have the perfect sized fingers to reach some keys. My fingers are pretty big so its hard doing it horizontally it might sound crazy but it's so much more comfortable as well
The guy trying to explain it is probably trying to press his keyboard against his stomach when he needs to lean forward
I've played at about 45 degrees for over 10 yrs now. Since counter strike on a membrane office keyboard as a kid on mom's computer. 45-90 degrees is meta.
people who tilt their keyboard 90° must have less space then a new york apartment
The reason for me is that it feels better when it’s in a different angle and your whole hand is on the table instead of only the fingers and wrist
just reminding you that a pro CS:GO player named FASHR plays with inverted vertical axis (aka going up with your mouse means going down and viceversa) and also moves forward with the right-click mouse button instead of W. To this day that is the strangest settings I've heard of and his justification is that he played a lot of flying simulation games as a kid.
45 degree angle seems fine, but anything too close to 90 degrees, or vertical: is basically insane. in the end I just switch back and forth from horizontal and tilted
We used to turn the keyboard for extra space in a mini desk with a big keyboard but now 60 % keyboard already gives more space but the habit of tilting is already in our dna so we tilt the keyboard
Tilting the keyboard like 30 degrees is actually far better for games like csgo where you only need to use basically like the left half of the keyboard
In the end you only use "w, a ,s, d" and numpad 1-4
By tilting the keyboard you also get more mouse space, which is the biggest reason why.
Bro really said "MY GYATT DUDE!"
I am horrible with playing games that involve a keyboard and mouth because I’m always gonna be pressing the wrong button on the keyboard
I tilt my keyboard, but outward to the left around 20-40 degree depending on the keyboard size, my seat position, and my mood, since I'm a right handed, I use my mouse on the right and having more space
A slight tilt sometimes helps for me but most of the time keep it almost perfectly straight, sometimes the tilt makes it feel more comfy and others it does the opposite. (Remember SLIGHT tilt)
The last guy has to be a professional violinist or violist 🤣
bro's hugging the kayboard by playing it upsidedown
I have my keyboard at an around 25° tilt clockwise, but having it vertically is wild
I tilt my keyboard instinctively, and the only reason I can think as to why I do it is that my hands and fingers tend to rest flatter on the tilt when it comes to WASDs, but for QWER I play horizontal
The thing with vertical keyboard is that there is exactly 0 room on my desk for that
"I see that as a disadvantage because I can reach a lot more keys vertically"
Blid hasn't heard of changing keybinds 💀
Don't let this distract you from the fact that shroud draws stars from the bottom in reverse.
I just don't understand how people don't get that. I tilt my keyboard 90° so I can rest my entire elbow on my desk, instead of just my forearm.. Puts less pressure on my forearm, allows my arm to rest a lot more and is definitely a lot more comfy.
I play mine probably a little less than 45 degree tilt and it feels like the perfect angle for my arm to rest at. Anything further and I’m straining my wrist, any less and my arm is all scrunched up. Idk how people play with them fully sideways.
this comes from the old lan parties when you didn't have space to put your keyboard all the way horizontally.
It’s only useful if you use your thumb for a lot of your key binds that way you don’t have to move your whole hand to click it.
It’s just one of those things that people do to make what they’re doing look more complicated than what it actually is, and by that they also look better than what they are
Actually the vertical mode is due old school lan not having enough desk space. That’s why we even have the lap keyboard from quake
idk why people who play with a horizontal computer think they have a say in how other people tilt they keyboard, it saves more space for me and i reach more keys as well as my arm is more comfortable
i used to do this, not to this extreme, usually tilt the keyboard about 30 degrees. Now i bought a 60% keyboard and i no longer tilt it cause its smaller and i have enough space.
bro said he reaches more keys while his wrist position remained the same
if you re not using high sens or even if you do using keyboard tilted is good. but getting use to it is really hard so thats why some ppl hate this. it gives adventage for sure tho
I feel like tilting your keyboard anywhere over 45 degrees is either a wrist fracture or carpel tunnel 😂
I use a slight tilt but never heard of the full tilt