@@LNReacts While it would solve the eyepoke situation, those type of gloves wouldn't be ideal to grapple with at all, I say just use the same gloves Pride FC used they were more curved which prevents eye pokes more.
Jack Johnson demonstrated a wide array of open-hand parries during his heydays. Johnson seemed to employ the fencer's stance and that would explain his use of the open-hand parries. He also trained in wrestling and incorporated its clinching to his boxing. Thank you very much for the wonderful video!
Great stuff. If you see the way old-time fighters fight compared to today, you can see how the big super padded gloves encourage an over reliance on the gloves themselves for defense. Everyone today stands there with their hands up using the gloves for defense. Too bad. If Dempsey had just stood there with those little gloves in front of his face he would have gotten killed. There was a lot more defensive skill needed in those days.
Back when I was a teenager growing up in Bangkok, I was trained in Muay Thai in the backyard of a Thai man who used to teach Muay Thai in Manchester, England in the 80's. In Thailand, he was raised in the middle class; so he was not allowed to fight in the ring; but being part of the middle class, he went to a technology school; and in Thailand, technology schools are known for their gangs and gang fights. He and his friends were street fighters; so in his backyard, he trained me to throw punches vertically. Of course, when I fought in the ring with gloves on, the trainers would always yell at me for throwing punches vertically and want me to throw them horizontally. Now, after all of these years, (over 30 years to be exact,) I have the reason why that aforementioned man trained me to throw punches vertically and why those that trained me to fight in the ring trained me to throw punches horizontally: it's all about punching with or without gloves. Thank you for this video.
It seems 20 years ago boxing for fitness didn't really exist and now with the amount of "boxing fitness" gloves on the market, real boxing gloves are harder to find
@@elalfredo8592 gloves for comp aren't even slightly similar to training gloves There's hundreds of good training gloves they aren't hard to find you just have to spend a bit more
Awesome video! But at 9:50 the modern glove does allow you to move your hands. Those are training/bag gloves and those won’t let you. Just wanted to add that. You need to compare modern day fight gloves.
Love the video and each characteristics on the boxing gloves through its wonderful history. I would love to try to find a pair of 1920's gloves. Back then, not all but some fighters would use the thumb to the eye and even glove laces to scratch down to their opponents faces for a combination setup.
Growing up in the 70s & 80s, my dad told me that Ali and his generation would scrape guys faces with the laces. I figured that's why they finally started taping the wrists of the gloves around the time I started watching boxing as a kid
I came across this video as I boxed through the 70 & 80, as amateur and pro. The gloves used 😂professionally were 6oz. Terrible gloves, supplied by the BBBoC. They was Well, battered and worn. I was hoping to find an example of them. The gloves used Today for competition are like what we would have used for sparing. Also, The fighters use their own gloves for Competition where as they use to be suppled by the BBBoC..
I sure miss seeing the gloves of the 20th century since a boxer required more technique in my opinion in order to protect yourself in getting hit AND throwing a proper punch to prevent injury to yourself. Martial artists to this day given by use of bare knuckles, they punch exactly in the way of London Prize and early Queensbury era boxing.
Hmmm good question. I think no. If Pugilism were to come back as a sport. Say London Prize Ring Rules that’d be ace. But normal boxing is what it is now. Similar but different. It’d be like rugby and American Football. Kinda same, kinda different! 🙏❤️
Foreman and qawi the two most recent fighters that did it in a modern boxing away. There's still legal ways to do some of these moves even with the modern grant or reyes, mayweather vs marquez is a good fight to watch in detail.
@@TommyMooreww2combatives I think MMA fighters could come in and adjust. I think it'd be interesting to see if boxers and MMA fighters could box in gray space between the two. Id love to see Those 20s gloves in action lol.
Fascinating! You can definitely see how the classic boxing high guard doesn't really work with the old smaller gloves. I sont entirely agree about parrying working better though. I do a lot of open handed parrying of jabs in sparring and obviously I'm wearig modern 16oz sparring gloves. Once they're broken in it's fairly easy to open and close your hands in them.
Thanks, Tommy Moore! I'm interested in American Civil War era boxing. I've seen soldiers in camp wearing mufflers like the 1940s gloves you showed. I'm going to watch you bartitsu videos. But any info on 19th cent gloves and techniques - including where to buy replicas - would be MUCH APPRECIATED
Gloves were introduced in the very end of the 19th century, well after the Civil War. They were just leather driving gloves with straw packed in. Everything before that was just straight up bare hands
This is an interesting and entertaining video man! What gloves should I buy as my first pair (on a budget)? Something for sparring and what gloves did Rocky use in the movie?
Vertical fist is the only position that is stable enough to not tweak your wrist on impact. Plenty of people who train modern boxing and try to use it for a street fight will break their wrist and or fingers
@@damianrehbein3992 well he’s kinda right and kinda wrong, less padding can bring more localised and centered punch meaning it has less chance of a knockout but can damage tissue and maybe fracture some bones on your opponent. More padding obviously will make your gloves heavier but instead of a localised force when you punch, the force will be more concussive and have more knockout potential I guess but you’ll have to punch more to damage your opponent’s face.
@@idkidk3870 Fairly certain the fact that the more concussive damage of heavier gloves would still count for mire damage, together with the fact that the tissue damage is already prevented pretty well by the old fasinoned gloves.
20s glove 🥊 basically worthless 40s glove 🥊 not bad 70s to 80s glove 🥊 good today’s gloves 🥊 opening is worthless but the glove it’s self is amazing mostly
I thought the 40s gloves and 70s gloves looked the coolest. My favorite are thé 40s ones because of cool they look it’s like leather. I would go for that one if one day I got into boxing.
Those 1920 gloves will make you more disciplined for sure
As soon as I saw them what came to my mind was, that's not a bad option to try and solve the eye pokes issue with MMA gloves
@@LNReacts very true
Yeah I remember seeing my coach using the 1920 boxing glove for training and I asked him why and he said to build your knuckle strength
@@chengbros6101 Yea knuckle conditioning is very important and honestly underrated.
@@LNReacts While it would solve the eyepoke situation, those type of gloves wouldn't be ideal to grapple with at all, I say just use the same gloves Pride FC used they were more curved which prevents eye pokes more.
I dont know why but the 70s gloves are my favourite. It cant be nostalgia because I was born in 2009. They look so cool
2009?! Goodness.
0:25 - 1920's gloves
3:45 - 1940's gloves
6:40 - 1980's gloves
9:45 - Modern gloves
12:10 - Conclusion
Jack Johnson demonstrated a wide array of open-hand parries during his heydays. Johnson seemed to employ the fencer's stance and that would explain his use of the open-hand parries. He also trained in wrestling and incorporated its clinching to his boxing. Thank you very much for the wonderful video!
I live in the town Jack Johnson grew up in
Where can i see this
@@jmgonzales7701 The following link would help, I guess. th-cam.com/video/p5NzQwzvL-0/w-d-xo.html
Fascinating stuff thanks for sharing!
Cheers buddy!
1920s look like oven mitts💀💀
😳😳
True
I literally have some winter mittens that are heavier then those lol
They do bahaha
That was a time when the were just starting to use boxing gloves
My grandpa was a boxer in college and in the navy (1940's) and his old brown leather gloves were in his desk
Great stuff. If you see the way old-time fighters fight compared to today, you can see how the big super padded gloves encourage an over reliance on the gloves themselves for defense. Everyone today stands there with their hands up using the gloves for defense. Too bad. If Dempsey had just stood there with those little gloves in front of his face he would have gotten killed. There was a lot more defensive skill needed in those days.
personally i liked the idea of a smaller glove, something like you see in the olden days and mma now without the exposed fingers.
Floyd gonna hates that 1920 gloves
Floyd goes to Screen Queensland
Back when I was a teenager growing up in Bangkok, I was trained in Muay Thai in the backyard of a Thai man who used to teach Muay Thai in Manchester, England in the 80's. In Thailand, he was raised in the middle class; so he was not allowed to fight in the ring; but being part of the middle class, he went to a technology school; and in Thailand, technology schools are known for their gangs and gang fights. He and his friends were street fighters; so in his backyard, he trained me to throw punches vertically. Of course, when I fought in the ring with gloves on, the trainers would always yell at me for throwing punches vertically and want me to throw them horizontally. Now, after all of these years, (over 30 years to be exact,) I have the reason why that aforementioned man trained me to throw punches vertically and why those that trained me to fight in the ring trained me to throw punches horizontally: it's all about punching with or without gloves. Thank you for this video.
The first gloves is basically MMA gloves.
@Martin I think you missed the point, friend.
I keep revisiting this video for some reason.
Great content! Deserves all the recognition!!
Thank you fella!!
*recognition*
Most informative, and well presented, great stuff hope you do more on the old style of boxing.
I finally saw the old gloves brings me back tbh
It seems 20 years ago boxing for fitness didn't really exist and now with the amount of "boxing fitness" gloves on the market, real boxing gloves are harder to find
What do u mean by real gloves
@@saintsfps5348 Gloves for competition and actual pro training
@@elalfredo8592 gloves for comp aren't even slightly similar to training gloves
There's hundreds of good training gloves they aren't hard to find you just have to spend a bit more
Interesting. Enjoyed this look at in gloves of different years.
loved the 80’s boxing gloves that were fat
No wonder guys went to the shadow realm in the 20s so many times
Interesting pieces of boxing history, also I wonder where did you get those 1970s gloves they look really awesome!!
why did the old gloves look so good?! I would like to have them and train, but it is true that today's gloves have better technique and effect
cool stuff its quite cool looking through the evolution of the sport we love
Guys like Jack Dempsey sure got away with tossing hooks and bombs in the 1920's gloves.
something about the old gloves is just so cool to me.
Thank you man this brings back memories.
Awesome video! But at 9:50 the modern glove does allow you to move your hands. Those are training/bag gloves and those won’t let you. Just wanted to add that. You need to compare modern day fight gloves.
underrated video.
Throughly enjoyed this video
Love the video and each characteristics on the boxing gloves through its wonderful history. I would love to try to find a pair of 1920's gloves. Back then, not all but some fighters would use the thumb to the eye and even glove laces to scratch down to their opponents faces for a combination setup.
Some modern made "bag mitts" have the look and feel of the 1920s gloves.
Growing up in the 70s & 80s, my dad told me that Ali and his generation would scrape guys faces with the laces. I figured that's why they finally started taping the wrists of the gloves around the time I started watching boxing as a kid
I came across this video as I boxed through the 70 & 80, as amateur and pro.
The gloves used 😂professionally were 6oz. Terrible gloves, supplied by the BBBoC. They was Well, battered and worn. I was hoping to find an example of them. The gloves used Today for competition are like what we would have used for sparing. Also, The fighters use their own gloves for Competition where as they use to be suppled by the BBBoC..
Looks like they've progressively prioritized, protection over damage dealing,
I sure miss seeing the gloves of the 20th century since a boxer required more technique in my opinion in order to protect yourself in getting hit AND throwing a proper punch to prevent injury to yourself.
Martial artists to this day given by use of bare knuckles, they punch exactly in the way of London Prize and early Queensbury era boxing.
Do you think the grappling aspect of old boxing should be apart of modern boxing
Hmmm good question. I think no. If Pugilism were to come back as a sport. Say London Prize Ring Rules that’d be ace. But normal boxing is what it is now. Similar but different. It’d be like rugby and American Football. Kinda same, kinda different! 🙏❤️
Foreman and qawi the two most recent fighters that did it in a modern boxing away. There's still legal ways to do some of these moves even with the modern grant or reyes, mayweather vs marquez is a good fight to watch in detail.
@@TommyMooreww2combatives I think MMA fighters could come in and adjust. I think it'd be interesting to see if boxers and MMA fighters could box in gray space between the two. Id love to see Those 20s gloves in action lol.
I think it should, I even think you should be able to throw to the ground lol
@@NoNo-ng9sl Triad Combat
Very interesting, thanks.
Great video
Australia loves this
Fascinating! You can definitely see how the classic boxing high guard doesn't really work with the old smaller gloves. I sont entirely agree about parrying working better though. I do a lot of open handed parrying of jabs in sparring and obviously I'm wearig modern 16oz sparring gloves. Once they're broken in it's fairly easy to open and close your hands in them.
Check out the thai boxing gloves from twins. You can open your hands and grapple with those
brilliant video!
Really liked your vid man and I thought boxers back then used more vertical fists.
Good video. Very interesting
Good demo.
Thanks, Tommy Moore! I'm interested in American Civil War era boxing. I've seen soldiers in camp wearing mufflers like the 1940s gloves you showed. I'm going to watch you bartitsu videos. But any info on 19th cent gloves and techniques - including where to buy replicas - would be MUCH APPRECIATED
Gloves were introduced in the very end of the 19th century, well after the Civil War. They were just leather driving gloves with straw packed in. Everything before that was just straight up bare hands
Love this guy
Everything about the modern gloves are fine, except for the attached thumb, that part kinda pisses me off ngl
Great Video! Thank you!!
1920s boxing gloves aren’t gloves, theyre kitchen mitts
This is an interesting and entertaining video man! What gloves should I buy as my first pair (on a budget)? Something for sparring and what gloves did Rocky use in the movie?
Where did you get your gloves
Hey I have a a 1920 glove looks at oven mitt
very well done bro!
I liked it, was looking for a video like this and it was recommended, who decides on the evolution of boxing gloves?
great vido mate
Can someone explain why back then they threw vertical punches with those old gloves and how it protects your hand?
Vertical fist is the only position that is stable enough to not tweak your wrist on impact. Plenty of people who train modern boxing and try to use it for a street fight will break their wrist and or fingers
Where’d you get those old gloves?
Where did you buy the 1940s gloves
My grandads gloves 🤙🥊
bro i want tose 1920s gloves
Ok but i gotta know, can you still use 1940s gloves in Boxing? Like sparring and yk
Thanks Tommy
Where could I buy some of the older gloves
Why is it that modern boxxing gloves have no thumb movments? Maybe to many busted thumbs
Imagine if mike Tyson exist in 1920s fighting with that glove🤣
How did you determine the 1940's gloves have straw padding?
It's horsehair in my 40s gloves
@@TommyMooreww2combatives Thanks
Do you think it's Horsehair in your 20's gloves?
Australia be like Erdrea
Have you ever used the 2084 everlast glove edition? Thoughts
1920 I thought it was a over gloves for baking
Wtf did i just watch these 1920s gloves are just hell funny lol
Good luck with your Mayweather defense shell with those old time gloves
All lost fights
Where did you get the 80s gloves
My guy looks like captain price r is tha just me
Australia be like
We’re you allowed to grapple in 1920s or do trapping?
I think grappling was more common in the 20s so probably
How about ufc gloves?
Rad
Ok 😍
Which ones inflict the most damage ?
The one with the lowest ounce because of less padding, so I believe 1920s
The ones that are heaviest and allow for the most strenght without damaging you knuckle, the modern ones probably.
@@phillyfrmwhere
While that is pretty common to think, the gloves protect your hand not your opponents head.
@@damianrehbein3992 well he’s kinda right and kinda wrong, less padding can bring more localised and centered punch meaning it has less chance of a knockout but can damage tissue and maybe fracture some bones on your opponent. More padding obviously will make your gloves heavier but instead of a localised force when you punch, the force will be more concussive and have more knockout potential I guess but you’ll have to punch more to damage your opponent’s face.
@@idkidk3870
Fairly certain the fact that the more concussive damage of heavier gloves would still count for mire damage, together with the fact that the tissue damage is already prevented pretty well by the old fasinoned gloves.
Captain price???
Modern gloves carry far more concussive power though
20s glove 🥊 basically worthless 40s glove 🥊 not bad 70s to 80s glove 🥊 good today’s gloves 🥊 opening is worthless but the glove it’s self is amazing mostly
I thought the 40s gloves and 70s gloves looked the coolest. My favorite are thé 40s ones because of cool they look it’s like leather. I would go for that one if one day I got into boxing.
Wtf the 20's was the best
Why does he look like von Kaiser from punch out?
hi cpt Price
The 70s gloves looke like trash.
Tip: if your buying A 1970 gloves please don’t buy the red one because your hands will look like a 🦀 hands
The backyard and the weather tells me that you are located in England.Are you from England sir?
I am indeed 🥊🇬🇧
@@TommyMooreww2combatives Where in England are you from?you have such a lovely accent but I've never heard it before.
What about the swing punch?