52 blocks and Jailhouse Rock are two different fighting styles Jailhouse Rock is basically Philly shell dirty boxing 52 blocks has a different philosophy
BTW, Jailhouse Rock/52 Blocks was one of the methods used by Martin Riggs (Mel Gibson) in the first Lethal Weapon movie, alone with Gracie Jiu Jitsu and Capoeria.
Putting the science and history back into the system. I'm coming from the filipino martial art background and definitely 52 is related. Great explanation with out the fluff. New sub here!
@@stevebb2915 incorrect. If you watch African kadenka, you can also see several of the movements and the African styles pre date Kali. The human body only moves so many ways so it's natural that there are things in common. I learned some of the same techniques in Kali, but before that I learned the same techniques in old style Muay Thai. You see many it these is Muay boran, Muay chaiya, Muay lopburi, etc. You also see them in silat and wing Chun. Saying they ripped of Kali is like saying Muay thai ripped off capoeira because they both use a front thrust kick...
@@josephperkins4080 kinda.... 52 and jailhouse aren't the same. Boxing is the base for jailhouse, not for 52. It gets confusing because some people have made boxing their 52 base.
Good upload. I think the key point you picked up on is that jhr/ 52 is a preserved form of pugilism. This observation opens the door to the possibilty that pugilism like modern boxing is/ always was a dynamic hybrid/mma with influences from various european regions and peoples uk, ireland & slavic countries but also wider africa, se asia and indian traditions. How pugilism was expressed would not only depend individual attributes but also time period, location etc.
Great stuff 👏 Though in the 60s and 70s Black/Latino. Made boxing street ready. The first mma fighters. Jail house Rock is not the 52. It's a Philly Shell based 52 if that makes sense. A similar but simple style of the original 52 blocks. Keep up the great work 💪
Just a few small points mate . Well done. A bareknuckle philly shell is a bit different . But more importantly. Jailhouse Rock is NOT part of 52 Jailhouse Rock is completely different. I learned Jailhouse Rock in 70s in NYC . And 52 started to become a"thing " much much later in the 90s and 2000's although I learned the basis of defensive/ dirty boxing from the Philipino"s like Professor V and I'm a peekaboo boxer trained by Teddy Atlas Jr. That's where 52 really came from Kali and filtered into the NYC Jails and Prison system It you ask anyone my age they will tell you that . I started seeing it on the streets and learned it from the late great Sensei Sam Lewis the famous NYC Bouncer . Keep up the good work .
You imply the vertical fist is better than the common boxing punch with the horizontal fist, why? I've been boxing/kickboxing for 40 years (obviously I don't compete anymore), as well as a couple Black Belts in other arts. My experience is that you can hit harder when you flare your elbow at the end of the punch which turns your fist horizontally and engages your shoulder muscles. Engaging your shoulders in this way braces your upper body for impact. Normally a percentage of the force of impact transfers back into you when you punch, bracing yourself by engaging your shoulder muscle ensures more force goes into the target. The world of professional boxers can't all be wrong about this. There are times where a vertical punch makes sense but I disagree with it being the default punch.
Howdy fella. So the vertical fist element is predominantly about punching bare knuckle. As 52 is in practice a system for bare knuckle. Nearly all bare knuckle boxing historically was done with vertical fist strikes. It tends to offer the best protection for the hand. I don’t get a dip in power myself when doing it, but even if there was loss of power - the safety of the hand makes that a good trade off. The knuckles forward guard of the 52 (for some) also makes it very efficient and non telegraphic to launch the shot straight out. Hope that helps 👍
wait a second... you keep talking about them like they are the same system. I thought JHR came first and 52 blocks is something that spawned off of JHR.
With all this kinda stuff. People get angry and argue but many many people use them interchangeably. There’s no one authorised version of either and so many regional and personal differences. I’m mainly going off Lyte Burly here fella 🤙
@@TommyMooreww2combatives ah fair enough. I don't know anything about either system but when I hear differences I like to ask for clarification. Do you have any tips on how to learn this system? Don't get me wrong I'm digging your videos so far but I feel like learning in person and actually sparring under pressure might be a good idea.
It came from more than that, actually. 52 cards in a deck was just a game - 52 pickup. It was the base for working out. The card you pick is how many reps you do and you go through the whole deck. 52 name is more about the number 7, the square and their understanding of it.
People practice in the shower. You can shadowbox in your cell all you want. Things are hidden, just as how slaves hid capoeira in dances. It's not that hard. Heck, they have figured out how to hide weapons in prison and you think they can't hide training?
@@josephperkins4080 no, it's not. It's hidden. The technique "shampoo" is actually practiced while washing your hair. I think you are expecting guards to walk by and see people sparring. They will not. Nor will they stop you from shadowboxing in your cell - trust me on that.
I have not seen one credit being given to black people who took 52 to the masses! I am 60 years old and still teach Bare Knuckle boxing and whites like this man laughed at 52 years back! Now they are capitalizing on its popularity. Give credit to the people who came up with it or get your own art.
I do in fact credit where this is from. In the first minute I tell people it’s African American, and I credit a black instructor as the place I’m getting this material from. I also then stress it’s not my main thing, it’s my interpretation and to go explore and see what coaches are doing. It’s also a three part video. In which I tell people that I learned from David Wells (a white British man) who learned from Lyte Burly as he travelled stateside. I advise people where to go to look further into it (in this case I advise them to look at Lyte’s material). So take your needless race rhetoric elsewhere. This is a place for people to see stuff, and if they enjoy it - go explore and judge for themselves. If you want more people to enjoy this stuff - leave helpful comments like where people can find out more. There’s no need to say ‘whites like this man’. I’ve got black coaches and white coaches - neither see an issue. And this particular white man, quite enjoys 52. It’s not something I do a lot, but I’m damn sure I’ve done more than you to get people in the UK interested - whereupon they will likely go look at things from you, Lyte or whomever. If you don’t see that as a good thing, well that’s sad for you and your narrow world view.
Yea i have never seen this man laugh at the art he actual showed much respect an he definitely mentioned me THE ONE who got all of this 52BLOCKS started on the internet and saved the art so i disagree an SALUTE THIS WARRIOR
@@josephperkins4080 nooooooooo u must be a white person thinking America started everything nooooo America stole or copy a lot of shit even sum foods didn't start in America typical whiteman thinks too highly of America
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2:40 - Basic rules of 52 Blocks
5:10 - Stances
6:15 - Philly shell
7:40 - Conclusion
52 blocks and Jailhouse Rock are two different fighting styles Jailhouse Rock is basically Philly shell dirty boxing 52 blocks has a different philosophy
Yes I was thinking the same thing.
BTW, Jailhouse Rock/52 Blocks was one of the methods used by Martin Riggs (Mel Gibson) in the first Lethal Weapon movie, alone with Gracie Jiu Jitsu and Capoeria.
Yeah, he was shown some by Dennis newsome
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this stuff is very similar to a lot of stuff bruce lee was doing
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In one of wolfman Dan's vids, he mentioned the toothbrush. It's true. A plastic toothbrush filed to a point can be a nasty weapon
You truthly know your stuff salute to u And keep Up da good work.
Yes he does lol
@@christopherpatrick6012 exactly couldnt have said it better salute
Thanks a lot! Very useful an logical. And nice explained. I like you channel very much.
Once again great video
Putting the science and history back into the system. I'm coming from the filipino martial art background and definitely 52 is related. Great explanation with out the fluff. New sub here!
52 is ripped wholesale from filipino arts and anyone who cant see it is in denial. doesnt mean its not useful tho
@@stevebb2915 wrong its core is western boxing
@@josephperkins4080 nah you just don't know what your watching
@@stevebb2915 incorrect. If you watch African kadenka, you can also see several of the movements and the African styles pre date Kali. The human body only moves so many ways so it's natural that there are things in common.
I learned some of the same techniques in Kali, but before that I learned the same techniques in old style Muay Thai. You see many it these is Muay boran, Muay chaiya, Muay lopburi, etc. You also see them in silat and wing Chun.
Saying they ripped of Kali is like saying Muay thai ripped off capoeira because they both use a front thrust kick...
@@josephperkins4080 kinda.... 52 and jailhouse aren't the same. Boxing is the base for jailhouse, not for 52. It gets confusing because some people have made boxing their 52 base.
Good upload. I think the key point you picked up on is that jhr/ 52 is a preserved form of pugilism. This observation opens the door to the possibilty that pugilism like modern boxing is/ always was a dynamic hybrid/mma with influences from various european regions and peoples uk, ireland & slavic countries but also wider africa, se asia and indian traditions. How pugilism was expressed would not only depend individual attributes but also time period, location etc.
You're right. JHR is much more affiliated/by product/urban application of old school boxing principles rather than FMA.
Good video 👍🏾
Such an underrated martial art
Thank you, well explained
Can you recommend any 52Blocks/JailHouse Rock Boxing books, please?
The Late Burly books are good, but very few pictures. I'd advise his DVDs or subscription channel (and also his TH-cam) :)
I used to be a prison guard, the goal was always GET TO THE DOOR
Great video !
Great stuff 👏
Though in the 60s and 70s Black/Latino. Made boxing street ready. The first mma fighters. Jail house Rock is not the 52. It's a Philly Shell based 52 if that makes sense. A similar but simple style of the original 52 blocks.
Keep up the great work 💪
Great channel
I remember on morn eating oatmeal and a milk came whizzing and suddenly there was a huge fight about 30 guys fighting a typical morning in a max
Cheers Tommy!
You're most welcome!
Check out KALI KOMBAT, it combines FMA & 52 Blocks.
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Just a few small points mate .
Well done.
A bareknuckle philly shell is a bit different .
But more importantly.
Jailhouse Rock is NOT part of 52
Jailhouse Rock is completely different.
I learned Jailhouse Rock in 70s in NYC .
And 52 started to become a"thing " much much later in the 90s and 2000's although I learned the basis of defensive/ dirty boxing from the Philipino"s like Professor V and I'm a peekaboo boxer trained by Teddy Atlas Jr.
That's where 52 really came from Kali and filtered into the NYC Jails and Prison system
It you ask anyone my age they will tell you that .
I started seeing it on the streets and learned it from the late great Sensei Sam Lewis the famous NYC Bouncer .
Keep up the good work .
You imply the vertical fist is better than the common boxing punch with the horizontal fist, why?
I've been boxing/kickboxing for 40 years (obviously I don't compete anymore), as well as a couple Black Belts in other arts. My experience is that you can hit harder when you flare your elbow at the end of the punch which turns your fist horizontally and engages your shoulder muscles. Engaging your shoulders in this way braces your upper body for impact. Normally a percentage of the force of impact transfers back into you when you punch, bracing yourself by engaging your shoulder muscle ensures more force goes into the target. The world of professional boxers can't all be wrong about this. There are times where a vertical punch makes sense but I disagree with it being the default punch.
Howdy fella. So the vertical fist element is predominantly about punching bare knuckle. As 52 is in practice a system for bare knuckle. Nearly all bare knuckle boxing historically was done with vertical fist strikes. It tends to offer the best protection for the hand. I don’t get a dip in power myself when doing it, but even if there was loss of power - the safety of the hand makes that a good trade off. The knuckles forward guard of the 52 (for some) also makes it very efficient and non telegraphic to launch the shot straight out. Hope that helps 👍
I love your videos,... But you seriously need to work on your audio.
wait a second... you keep talking about them like they are the same system. I thought JHR came first and 52 blocks is something that spawned off of JHR.
With all this kinda stuff. People get angry and argue but many many people use them interchangeably. There’s no one authorised version of either and so many regional and personal differences. I’m mainly going off Lyte Burly here fella 🤙
@@TommyMooreww2combatives ah fair enough. I don't know anything about either system but when I hear differences I like to ask for clarification. Do you have any tips on how to learn this system? Don't get me wrong I'm digging your videos so far but I feel like learning in person and actually sparring under pressure might be a good idea.
@@shirokuma5953 Where are you based fella? Will help me give recommendations
@@TommyMooreww2combatives is there a way to private message you? I'm not comfortable posting my location in a comment.
52 came from 52 cards in a deck.
It came from more than that, actually. 52 cards in a deck was just a game - 52 pickup. It was the base for working out. The card you pick is how many reps you do and you go through the whole deck.
52 name is more about the number 7, the square and their understanding of it.
I DID 13 YEARS N PRISON AND WAS TAUGHT 52 BLOCCS... ITS A REAL SYSTEM, ITS PRACTICAL AND EFFECTIVE...
You're not in jail anymore so you don't have to yell.
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🙋🙋Just to let you know the practice of fighting arts in American prisons are not allowed
People practice in the shower. You can shadowbox in your cell all you want. Things are hidden, just as how slaves hid capoeira in dances. It's not that hard. Heck, they have figured out how to hide weapons in prison and you think they can't hide training?
@@avakinzerochill 🙄Yeh and the moment its spotted they stop them
@@josephperkins4080 no, it's not. It's hidden. The technique "shampoo" is actually practiced while washing your hair. I think you are expecting guards to walk by and see people sparring. They will not. Nor will they stop you from shadowboxing in your cell - trust me on that.
I have not seen one credit being given to black people who took 52 to the masses! I am 60 years old and still teach Bare Knuckle boxing and whites like this man laughed at 52 years back! Now they are capitalizing on its popularity. Give credit to the people who came up with it or get your own art.
I do in fact credit where this is from. In the first minute I tell people it’s African American, and I credit a black instructor as the place I’m getting this material from. I also then stress it’s not my main thing, it’s my interpretation and to go explore and see what coaches are doing. It’s also a three part video. In which I tell people that I learned from David Wells (a white British man) who learned from Lyte Burly as he travelled stateside. I advise people where to go to look further into it (in this case I advise them to look at Lyte’s material). So take your needless race rhetoric elsewhere. This is a place for people to see stuff, and if they enjoy it - go explore and judge for themselves. If you want more people to enjoy this stuff - leave helpful comments like where people can find out more. There’s no need to say ‘whites like this man’. I’ve got black coaches and white coaches - neither see an issue. And this particular white man, quite enjoys 52. It’s not something I do a lot, but I’m damn sure I’ve done more than you to get people in the UK interested - whereupon they will likely go look at things from you, Lyte or whomever. If you don’t see that as a good thing, well that’s sad for you and your narrow world view.
Yea i have never seen this man laugh at the art he actual showed much respect an he definitely mentioned me THE ONE who got all of this 52BLOCKS started on the internet and saved the art so i disagree an SALUTE THIS WARRIOR
How about shut up. He did give credit
It started in ancient Egypt
No it started in America
@@josephperkins4080 nooooooooo u must be a white person thinking America started everything nooooo America stole or copy a lot of shit even sum foods didn't start in America typical whiteman thinks too highly of America
@@josephperkins4080 it did not start in American prisons...
It started in Memphis and then it spread all of America and later the whole World!
Oh no that was Elvis🕺
@@sevenof9652 funny reference, but Memphis actually has had a variant. however afaik, it's not very popular there.